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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 02:54:36 AM »

Just read it ... this is much more of a basic 'Sonja in the Hyborian Age' story and doesn't really bring anything new to the table but it is WELL worth buying. It's got a fucking awesome fight scene in the first half, where Sonja takes out 5 or 6 guys by herself with ease, lots of humorous little touches and Mandrake's art is really good. Sonja is much cockier here than she is in the main series but she's on her home turf, so that's to be expected. The scene at the end is Sonja taking on Kulan Gath's demon, as she did in #0 but this fight is much better than Amy Chu's take. This is Erik Burnham's first Sonja outing but like Amy, he's immediately understood the character in a way Gail Simone never did.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 07:17:56 AM »

I havent enjoyed Simone's in a long time. I get she's a 'name', though, and so will never lack for work...

I don't think she's got much to do with Sonja now, although she recommended Amy Chu for the writing job. I think she's well-liked by Dynamite and has a lot of sway there if she chooses to use it.

I actually really like a lot of Simone's work, particularly on 'Batgirl' ... that was great. She was good on Wonder Woman as well. I just don't think she 'gets' Red Sonja - she enjoyed writing it but her work came across as a petty attack on everything she hated about the character and the genre in general. Gail thinks the vow is stupid, so she pins it onto another character and has Sonja laughing at him, and also writes Sonja fucking anything that moves. Gail doesn't like Sonja enjoying a few beers, so she transforms her into a raging alcoholic. Gail doesn't like the fact that Sonja's an amazing warrior, so she turns her into a laughing stock ... there's actually a comic where another swordsman trips Sonja up during a fight and then kicks her up the arse as she falls past him. I'm not kidding.

Gail pretty much hated the classic version of Sonja, so she created her own version. They're practically different characters. Luckily, even though Amy Chu's a friend of Gail's, her version is WAY closer to the original version.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2017, 05:17:30 PM »

I havent enjoyed Simone's in a long time. I get she's a 'name', though, and so will never lack for work...

I don't think she's got much to do with Sonja now, although she recommended Amy Chu for the writing job. I think she's well-liked by Dynamite and has a lot of sway there if she chooses to use it.

I actually really like a lot of Simone's work, particularly on 'Batgirl' ... that was great. She was good on Wonder Woman as well. I just don't think she 'gets' Red Sonja - she enjoyed writing it but her work came across as a petty attack on everything she hated about the character and the genre in general. Gail thinks the vow is stupid, so she pins it onto another character and has Sonja laughing at him, and also writes Sonja fucking anything that moves. Gail doesn't like Sonja enjoying a few beers, so she transforms her into a raging alcoholic. Gail doesn't like the fact that Sonja's an amazing warrior, so she turns her into a laughing stock ... there's actually a comic where another swordsman trips Sonja up during a fight and then kicks her up the arse as she falls past him. I'm not kidding.

Gail pretty much hated the classic version of Sonja, so she created her own version. They're practically different characters. Luckily, even though Amy Chu's a friend of Gail's, her version is WAY closer to the original version.

That seems kind of confusing; like if she hated Red Sonja that much why take on the character?

Hell; from what your saying she almost sounds "non-feminist" in her writing of the character; woman tries to become like the male warriors around her, fails horrible and as a result becomes a laughingstock, whorish and an alcoholic?
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 01:50:23 PM »

I havent enjoyed Simone's in a long time. I get she's a 'name', though, and so will never lack for work...

I don't think she's got much to do with Sonja now, although she recommended Amy Chu for the writing job. I think she's well-liked by Dynamite and has a lot of sway there if she chooses to use it.

I actually really like a lot of Simone's work, particularly on 'Batgirl' ... that was great. She was good on Wonder Woman as well. I just don't think she 'gets' Red Sonja - she enjoyed writing it but her work came across as a petty attack on everything she hated about the character and the genre in general. Gail thinks the vow is stupid, so she pins it onto another character and has Sonja laughing at him, and also writes Sonja fucking anything that moves. Gail doesn't like Sonja enjoying a few beers, so she transforms her into a raging alcoholic. Gail doesn't like the fact that Sonja's an amazing warrior, so she turns her into a laughing stock ... there's actually a comic where another swordsman trips Sonja up during a fight and then kicks her up the arse as she falls past him. I'm not kidding.

Gail pretty much hated the classic version of Sonja, so she created her own version. They're practically different characters. Luckily, even though Amy Chu's a friend of Gail's, her version is WAY closer to the original version.

That seems kind of confusing; like if she hated Red Sonja that much why take on the character?

Hell; from what your saying she almost sounds "non-feminist" in her writing of the character; woman tries to become like the male warriors around her, fails horrible and as a result becomes a laughingstock, whorish and an alcoholic?

I think she enjoys writing the character but she didn'the like the 'classic' take and tried to reinvent her. Gail Simone's Red Sonja is pretty much a completely new charafter.  I honestly don't think she sees any difference personality-wise between Sonja and Conan, whereas those differences were stark right from Sonja's first appearance. Basically Gail writes Sonja as a less capable and angrier Xena
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 01:51:18 PM »

#5 is out...

It wasn't very good IMO. Worst issue of Amy's run so far
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2017, 02:35:26 PM »

I havent enjoyed Simone's in a long time. I get she's a 'name', though, and so will never lack for work...

I don't think she's got much to do with Sonja now, although she recommended Amy Chu for the writing job. I think she's well-liked by Dynamite and has a lot of sway there if she chooses to use it.

I actually really like a lot of Simone's work, particularly on 'Batgirl' ... that was great. She was good on Wonder Woman as well. I just don't think she 'gets' Red Sonja - she enjoyed writing it but her work came across as a petty attack on everything she hated about the character and the genre in general. Gail thinks the vow is stupid, so she pins it onto another character and has Sonja laughing at him, and also writes Sonja fucking anything that moves. Gail doesn't like Sonja enjoying a few beers, so she transforms her into a raging alcoholic. Gail doesn't like the fact that Sonja's an amazing warrior, so she turns her into a laughing stock ... there's actually a comic where another swordsman trips Sonja up during a fight and then kicks her up the arse as she falls past him. I'm not kidding.

Gail pretty much hated the classic version of Sonja, so she created her own version. They're practically different characters. Luckily, even though Amy Chu's a friend of Gail's, her version is WAY closer to the original version.

That seems kind of confusing; like if she hated Red Sonja that much why take on the character?

Hell; from what your saying she almost sounds "non-feminist" in her writing of the character; woman tries to become like the male warriors around her, fails horrible and as a result becomes a laughingstock, whorish and an alcoholic?

I think she enjoys writing the character but she didn'the like the 'classic' take and tried to reinvent her. Gail Simone's Red Sonja is pretty much a completely new charafter.  I honestly don't think she sees any difference personality-wise between Sonja and Conan, whereas those differences were stark right from Sonja's first appearance. Basically Gail writes Sonja as a less capable and angrier Xena

Yeah; Red Sonja was less "Warrior Princess" and more Sexy "Warrior Nun" I guess when you factor in her not sleeping around with people code and divine connection for her origin.

Maybe that could have been a way to bridge the two; after what happened when she was young happens, she gets taken in by a religious order, has some kind of possible semi-mystical vision/hallucination, leave it open for how you want to take it, and then trains herself to be an uber warrior with a religious code she has to follow?

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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2017, 02:38:16 PM »

Makes me flash back to the "Dark Sonja" arc or whatever where she goes bad and takes over some place or alterna-history or whatever it was.

Sonja's never really shown the drive to want to conquer or control like that, not even to the extent Conan has.

Seems more like she wonders around and just does random adventures.

So a "evil" Sonja would just be her wondering around causing chaos all over the place but with no real goals or concern for the outcomes of the people around her or the results of her actions.

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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2017, 06:12:32 AM »

Makes me flash back to the "Dark Sonja" arc or whatever where she goes bad and takes over some place or alterna-history or whatever it was.

Sonja's never really shown the drive to want to conquer or control like that, not even to the extent Conan has.

Seems more like she wonders around and just does random adventures.

So a "evil" Sonja would just be her wondering around causing chaos all over the place but with no real goals or concern for the outcomes of the people around her or the results of her actions.

Xena did the same, didn't she? But yeah, there was that dark Sonja arc, around the time Dynamite killed her off for the first time. IIRC, it caused controversy because Sonja was shown ripping off a baby's head or something? An evil baby but a baby, all the same.

Sonja's ended up ruling before and there was a whole series devoted to it, 'Queen Sonja', which was actually pretty fucking good ... probably more consistent than the main title. It was the first time Dynamite's Sonja shed the chainmail bikini because her advisors told her that wasn't a fitting look for a monarch.

Generally, she's more of an adventurer/sellsword and acts more on her own. She's just as good a general as Conan but she doesn't seem to play as well with the others on the whole, and her friends have a nasty habit of ending up dead.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2017, 06:18:13 PM »

Makes me flash back to the "Dark Sonja" arc or whatever where she goes bad and takes over some place or alterna-history or whatever it was.

Sonja's never really shown the drive to want to conquer or control like that, not even to the extent Conan has.

Seems more like she wonders around and just does random adventures.

So a "evil" Sonja would just be her wondering around causing chaos all over the place but with no real goals or concern for the outcomes of the people around her or the results of her actions.

Xena did the same, didn't she? But yeah, there was that dark Sonja arc, around the time Dynamite killed her off for the first time. IIRC, it caused controversy because Sonja was shown ripping off a baby's head or something? An evil baby but a baby, all the same.

Sonja's ended up ruling before and there was a whole series devoted to it, 'Queen Sonja', which was actually pretty fucking good ... probably more consistent than the main title. It was the first time Dynamite's Sonja shed the chainmail bikini because her advisors told her that wasn't a fitting look for a monarch.

Generally, she's more of an adventurer/sellsword and acts more on her own. She's just as good a general as Conan but she doesn't seem to play as well with the others on the whole, and her friends have a nasty habit of ending up dead.

Xena did that but "post" a career of a warlord but even then she still lead the occasional group or army.

Pre-current Red Sonja never really showed that kind of personality.  Not so much the lack of capacity to do it.

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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2017, 06:57:04 PM »

Makes me flash back to the "Dark Sonja" arc or whatever where she goes bad and takes over some place or alterna-history or whatever it was.

Sonja's never really shown the drive to want to conquer or control like that, not even to the extent Conan has.

Seems more like she wonders around and just does random adventures.

So a "evil" Sonja would just be her wondering around causing chaos all over the place but with no real goals or concern for the outcomes of the people around her or the results of her actions.

Xena did the same, didn't she? But yeah, there was that dark Sonja arc, around the time Dynamite killed her off for the first time. IIRC, it caused controversy because Sonja was shown ripping off a baby's head or something? An evil baby but a baby, all the same.

Sonja's ended up ruling before and there was a whole series devoted to it, 'Queen Sonja', which was actually pretty fucking good ... probably more consistent than the main title. It was the first time Dynamite's Sonja shed the chainmail bikini because her advisors told her that wasn't a fitting look for a monarch.

Generally, she's more of an adventurer/sellsword and acts more on her own. She's just as good a general as Conan but she doesn't seem to play as well with the others on the whole, and her friends have a nasty habit of ending up dead.

Xena did that but "post" a career of a warlord but even then she still lead the occasional group or army.

Pre-current Red Sonja never really showed that kind of personality.  Not so much the lack of capacity to do it.

Agreed. It's wrong to think she's a total loner, as some do but she never really had Conan's ambition and if she found herself ruling, it was because the Crown was forced on her. She was definitely happier as a rank and file soldier at Marvel and didn't have many allies back then. At Dynamite she's led several mercenary bands and rallied the people of Hyrkania when Thulsa Doom tried to crush them but she has never been shown as a conqueror. It probably doesn't fit with her life mission of vengeance.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2017, 07:02:47 PM »

Google Books has a few preview pages up for #6. After the disappointment of the last issue, this one looks like a fucking DOOZIE  with wall-to-wall action featuring Sonja fighting Kulan Gath on top of Coney Island's Wonder Wheel.

Solicits are out for the next couple of issues...

SPOILARGH








Sonja travels West with Max to find a way home, getting in trouble on the way. She's back on the motorbike and looks to have sorted herself out with a leather jacket and trousers to go over the usual outfit.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2017, 09:38:00 AM »

Looking forward to downloading 6...!

I've seen 10 out of the 20 pages and this is a really good issue
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2017, 02:57:37 AM »

Make that 15 out of 20 pages and it's out a week Wednesday. Sucks that I keep spoiling it for myself. The good news is the following issue is out only 3 weeks later. Carlos has already posted a couple of preview pics on Instagram, one showing Sonja on her hog in her new outfit and drawing her sword, and the other showing her being chased by a bunch of angry bikers.

Here's my last 'Sonja in New York' pic:

http://conradknightsocks.deviantart.com/art/Red-Sonja-vs-Wall-Street-commuters-684927081

I've got a friend on dA who's a fantastic colourist and I sent him the B/W version so he could take a shot at it.
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Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2017, 07:38:00 AM »

I like it...-thumbs up-
The poor guy in the blue suit looks terrified!!! ;D

He's my piss-poor attempt at Shia LeBeouf!
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