Neither will stop a scene from being canon. You can always pretend to have Alzheimer though.
Just like Superman vs. Venom is canon Abhi. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Except it is not as much of an outlier like that.
Just like Hulk getting KOED by Cap.
The Venom (low showing) and Doomsday rip (high showing) are both anomalous showings that don't mesh with the VAST majority of Superman appearances.
Except venom showing isn't referenced at all anywhere. Superman killing Doomsday is and it kicked off a major event.
Never even said that there was a KO. Just that it was more than a mere knock down.
Your (biased) opinion is that its more than a mere knockdown, but there is ZERO proof it was.
You are once again shouting how my opinion doesn't counts when you have zero proof of your own.
This is not how it works.
If you do then why the fuck do you keep going on about it, lol?
Because you are a fucking idiot?
So supposedly because I'm an idiot you have to always look like the biggest idiot in the room by continually going on and on that something we can NEVER prove was a KO was definitely a KO.
Tell me more about where I said it was a KO? I just said it was more than a knocking down of someone.
There is NO PROOF of anything after the actual attack.
Yes, there is.
Absence of proof is not proof Abhi. Do I keep having to explain the Aliens analogy here.
That is just hilarious. Major force didn't try to stop Superman and Firestorm again.
That is proof enough on itself.
Your speculation is not proof.
So Superman and Firestorm didn't go without any trouble?
We don't know what happened Abhi.
Yes, we do. They went away on panel. Scans are already posted.
Yes, it is clear.
Its only clear to biased fanboys Abhi.
And the ones who read the comic.
Otherwise he would be stopping Firestorm from leaving.
Maybe he decided not to, given how easily he was knocked to the ground and he didn't want to be further humiliated.
Now that's a speculation right there.
Asbolutely! Well done Abhi. It IS speculation because ALL WE CAN DO IS SPECULATE.
Except yours isn't supported by comic.
1. There is no proof.
2. Your reasoning is not 'CLEAR proof'...might be correct, might not be, we can't know for sure.
3. You are BIASED on this matter.
Its better than your speculations though.
We'll never know so don't beat yourself up about it either way.
Of course we do.
You are acting like you don't have bias?
The difference is I don't have character bias...and I'm not a liar.
You are a huge idiot and a liar though.
Assumption is not proof.
Assumption from someone who is clearly BIASED is definitely not proof.
Tell me one more time how I'm biased, that would surely prove me wrong.
Being biased does not make someone wrong.
But it does mean they have a motive to deceive and lie.
Your idiocy is again showing through.
Arguably he knocks him out with one hit the very first time he hits him - Thor is knocked into some rubble and he's still there 5 pages later.
No, he didn't.
I own the comic Abhi - what makes you think posting a list of scan links changes the point we are debating...?
Because Thor is never shown knocked out as you claimed?
Mangog hurls Thor into some rocks and Thor is buried under them and is still there 5 pages later.
That isn't koing someone. And Mangog attacked Thor more than one time.
You can't just say 'no he didn't', post a bunch of scans and run away. Make your counter argument for fuck sake.
That was an argument unto itself. Tell us where Thor is koed?
1. Mangog grabs Thor (Thor likely in pain from this)
2. Thor smashes Mangog on the head with Mjolnir (no seeming effect)
3. Mangog hurls Thor into some rocks
4. Mangog then fights the Warrior's 3 in the same place where Thor is buried (for 2 pages)
5. We then cut to see what Loki is doing for 2 1/2 pages.
6. We return to Thor who is ONLY NOW pulling himself out of the rubble.
Hey idiot, Mangog attacked Thor more than once. In the last panel, he is smashing Thor down and then threw him in rubble. Thor is never shown to be koed.
Again he attacks Thor more than once and Thor isn't knocked out.
But the weight of evidence is clear, he's less effective each time and contradictory hyperbole doesn't change that.
It really isn't. He seemed less durable but his strength isn't lessened.
LOL. When are the two not intertwined!?
When it suits you? Like Doomsday?
Its like saying Undertaker became less "dead" because he started selling attacks of his opponents.
NO Abhi, its like saying if the Undertaker is selling the attacks of opponents that the opponents can hurt him.
Heh, so they couldn't hurt him before but now can?
If he's not less effective then why do we SEE him CLEARLY less effective!?
Where do we see him less effective? He knocked out Thor in one punch in his last appearance. What more do you need from a villain? Kill him?
Thor goes from...
Mangog's Durability: Thor can't hurt him (1st*) < hurts him (2nd) < knocks him down (3rd) < breaks pieces off him (4th)
Mangog's Strength: Likely 1 hit KOs Thor (1st) < Thor still conscious after 1 blow (2nd) < Thor still conscious after 2 blows (3rd) < Thor still conscious after 3 blows (4th)
Thor isn't koed by silver age mangog at all. Jurgens Mangog knocked him out thrice.
That's not being less effective at all.
Its a CLEAR progression
No, it is not.
I'm willing to say its possibly just villain decay, but if so its one of the worst cases of villain decay EVER.
Uh, not even close. Villain decay is for wrecking crew and U-foes.
Uh...see above dummy.
You are just an idiot.
Each time he becomes easier to hurt. Each time Thor can take more punishment from him.
Then how come he actually knocked out Thor in one hit in Thunderstrike?
Those scans don't show Thor being knocked out, only being knocked down. What happens after those pages?
Thunderstrike actually says Thor is down.
You are a fucking idiot.
He's incapacitated MULTIPLE times including by Iron Man for fuck sake.
By drawing extra power from city grid and Thor cheapshotting him.
Gee whiz an entire city grid of power > every weapon Asgard has. LOL.
From random asgardians? Yeah.
Its implied though, otherwise he wouldn't say 'power enough'.
No, it isn't implied.
Then why did he say power enough?
Not an implication that he is weakened.
ie. Its not as much power as I once had but..."it is power enough for the task that lies before me".
Implication in italics.
That's your own theory. But here he says in Jurgens run how he has the power of a billion billion beings again.
It may well be a billion-billion beings but clearly they are not as hateful as they once were when Odin imprisoned them because Mangog is at his weakest ever.
That's just laughable on so many levels.
If he was back to full strength he wouldn't say 'it is power enough'.
Sure he can. But the fact is , even if he was weakened in Thor 250, he is back to full power in Jurgens run.
Irrelevant hyperbole when its by far his worst showing.
Haha, so not its hyperbole?
Oh you fucking idiot.
Thor can't hurt Mangog with full force blows to the head by Mjolnir but Thing can go toe-to-toe and knock Mangog around while Mangog flies about on a rocket sled. For fuck sake Abhi wake up. Its not only an outlier its a total comedic spoof.
Uh no, it isn't. Keep trying to dismiss it though.
Its on the shelf right next to Venom vs. Superman.
One is half way non canon. Other is canon.
Proof? You said Thor was koed by Mangog when it is not shown either.
Mangog fights the Warrior's 3 in exactly the same place as Thor gets buried. THEN WE SEE 5 PAGES LATER Thor was STILL under the rubble.
That's not a proof of a KO. Thor has been pinned under rocks before and not got koed.
Heck, he was pinned by a pile of cars.
I mean its not a 100% clear KO, but if it isn't what the fuck was Thor doing for 5 pages? He's still in the same spot 5 pages later and only then starting to drag his ass from the rubble. If he was conscious all the time why didn't he crawl out right away?
Maybe he was just trying to pick out the rubble. Stan Lee wasn't a subtle writer, if Thor was koed it would be referenced not implied.
You are just a hypocrite at this point.