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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2016, 03:30:28 PM »

How many SM clones have force fields?


IRRC  Cap Paragon, Cap Comet,  Konel, H'el, Samaritan are all SM clones who also has that ability but like BM almost never use it. I think Sentry & Majestic also has the ability but I'm not 100% sure.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2016, 04:17:29 PM »

Orion easily defeated.

Fixed.

How? BM is outmatched in every conceivable way.

In every way that you have yet to specify. 
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2016, 04:58:33 PM »

Orion easily defeated.

Fixed.

How? BM is outmatched in every conceivable way.

In every way that you have yet to specify.

Neither have you specified how BM wins genius. But no matter I'll go first.

Strength - Fights evenly with Superman in Death of the New Gods, punches a sundipped Superman from India to a rocky Grand Canyon landscape and casually beats Kalibak unamped by Darkseid/Desaad.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486547-superman_vs_orion_2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/juhGzzc.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5109722-jkfw-09-12.jpg

Durability - Has tanked Superman's blows and an insane Lightray's energy blasts.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3006049-6280138867-NewGo.jpg

Speed - Blitzes a starfleet, blitzes Mantis and catches a bullet even when blind.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3757232-1043595241-19890.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/99dPb

Energy Projection - Blasts a sundipped Superman across the globe, atomises Mantis and the shockwaves from his energy blasts in space threatened the planet.

http://i.imgur.com/T18s1M7.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/cbzAV

http://imgur.com/a/OWjSv

Mother Box - Can heal Orion, open boom tubes which can be used to BFR enemies and protect him from transmutation.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9116/384691-46443-boom-tube.jpg

http://www.cosmicteams.com/newgods/images/post-zerohour/jk4w-09b.jpg

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5154436-6796110524-cenPc.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5168009-image.jpeg

I'm familiar with what Blue Marvel can do as well, he is wholly unimpressive by comparison. His best physical strength feat is lifting an steroid the size of Arkansas, his best striking feat is sucker punching Sentry into orbit and Sentry was weakened by the anti matter from Anti Man, he has no quantifiable combat or reaction speed and his control over energy/anti matter is useless due to Orion's durability and Mother Box. I believe that's specific enough.

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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2016, 05:05:30 PM »

There is legit nothing in the comic that suggests Sentry was weakened by antimatter. The writer straight up didn't take notice. The writer also went on to state that Sentry essentially sucker punched BM (which still nearly took out Sentry) as he wanted it to be like how Vision dropped down onto Count Nefaria.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2016, 05:54:43 PM »

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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2016, 04:57:17 AM »

Orion easily defeated.

Fixed.

How? BM is outmatched in every conceivable way.

In every way that you have yet to specify.

Neither have you specified how BM wins genius.But no matter I'll go first.

Strength - Fights evenly with Superman in Death of the New Gods, punches a sundipped Superman from India to a rocky Grand Canyon landscape and casually beats Kalibak unamped by Darkseid/Desaad.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486547-superman_vs_orion_2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/juhGzzc.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5109722-jkfw-09-12.jpg

Durability - Has tanked Superman's blows and an insane Lightray's energy blasts.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3006049-6280138867-NewGo.jpg

Speed - Blitzes a starfleet, blitzes Mantis and catches a bullet even when blind.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3757232-1043595241-19890.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/99dPb

Energy Projection - Blasts a sundipped Superman across the globe, atomises Mantis and the shockwaves from his energy blasts in space threatened the planet.

http://i.imgur.com/T18s1M7.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/cbzAV

http://imgur.com/a/OWjSv

Mother Box - Can heal Orion, open boom tubes which can be used to BFR enemies and protect him from transmutation.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9116/384691-46443-boom-tube.jpg

http://www.cosmicteams.com/newgods/images/post-zerohour/jk4w-09b.jpg

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5154436-6796110524-cenPc.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5168009-image.jpeg

I'm familiar with what Blue Marvel can do as well, he is wholly unimpressive by comparison. His best physical strength feat is lifting an steroid the size of Arkansas, his best striking feat is sucker punching Sentry into orbit and Sentry was weakened by the anti matter from Anti Man, he has no quantifiable combat or reaction speed and his control over energy/anti matter is useless due to Orion's durability and Mother Box. I believe that's specific enough.

I didn't respond to any of your posts requesting anything specific.  What kind of sock puppet requests something they themselves haven't provided.  And all you did was copy and a paste a respect thread and claim that BM can't match it.  Then you added your own fantasy.  Sentry is not weakened.  That is some DC fanboy made up shit.  Then you make an unproven assertion about how his control over anti-matter would be useless because of motherbox.  It sure didn't help against the power cosmic.

BM's punch was not a sucker punch.  That's been shown repeatedly.  He is stalemating Sentry on top of having faced the other Avengers and it takes a sucker shot from Sentry to bring him down.  And trying to lowball BM's feats before they are posted.  "I'm familiar but not impressed".  LOL.  BM beats Orion's ass.

He, Monica and Captain Marvel's EP had more effect on Galactus than Orion and Darkseid.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2016, 05:04:44 AM »

Oh, and you showed no speed feats other than flight speed despite your deceptive description.  Surfer has taken a fleet out during annihilation just the same.  I'll have to look and see how much more is fabricated.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2016, 06:12:57 AM »

There is legit nothing in the comic that suggests Sentry was weakened by antimatter. The writer straight up didn't take notice. The writer also went on to state that Sentry essentially sucker punched BM (which still nearly took out Sentry) as he wanted it to be like how Vision dropped down onto Count Nefaria.

True. But...was it Grievoux?
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2016, 06:40:16 AM »

Yes.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2016, 01:01:59 PM »

I consider this pretty much a toss up. BM has some great showings, but he hasn't really impressed me that much in the Ultimates yet. Think both Orion and BM are solid, elite top tiers. Could put in Thor or Gladiator or Black Adam and I'd still say 50/50/ Both BM and Orion seem to be on that level.

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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2016, 06:12:44 PM »

Orion easily defeated.

Fixed.

How? BM is outmatched in every conceivable way.

In every way that you have yet to specify.

Neither have you specified how BM wins genius.But no matter I'll go first.

Strength - Fights evenly with Superman in Death of the New Gods, punches a sundipped Superman from India to a rocky Grand Canyon landscape and casually beats Kalibak unamped by Darkseid/Desaad.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486547-superman_vs_orion_2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/juhGzzc.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5109722-jkfw-09-12.jpg

Durability - Has tanked Superman's blows and an insane Lightray's energy blasts.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3006049-6280138867-NewGo.jpg

Speed - Blitzes a starfleet, blitzes Mantis and catches a bullet even when blind.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3757232-1043595241-19890.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/99dPb

Energy Projection - Blasts a sundipped Superman across the globe, atomises Mantis and the shockwaves from his energy blasts in space threatened the planet.

http://i.imgur.com/T18s1M7.jpg

http://imgur.com/a/cbzAV

http://imgur.com/a/OWjSv

Mother Box - Can heal Orion, open boom tubes which can be used to BFR enemies and protect him from transmutation.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9116/384691-46443-boom-tube.jpg

http://www.cosmicteams.com/newgods/images/post-zerohour/jk4w-09b.jpg

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5154436-6796110524-cenPc.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11117/111177306/5168009-image.jpeg

I'm familiar with what Blue Marvel can do as well, he is wholly unimpressive by comparison. His best physical strength feat is lifting an steroid the size of Arkansas, his best striking feat is sucker punching Sentry into orbit and Sentry was weakened by the anti matter from Anti Man, he has no quantifiable combat or reaction speed and his control over energy/anti matter is useless due to Orion's durability and Mother Box. I believe that's specific enough.

I didn't respond to any of your posts requesting anything specific.  What kind of sock puppet requests something they themselves haven't provided.  And all you did was copy and a paste a respect thread and claim that BM can't match it.  Then you added your own fantasy.  Sentry is not weakened.  That is some DC fanboy made up shit.  Then you make an unproven assertion about how his control over anti-matter would be useless because of motherbox.  It sure didn't help against the power cosmic.

BM's punch was not a sucker punch.  That's been shown repeatedly.  He is stalemating Sentry on top of having faced the other Avengers and it takes a sucker shot from Sentry to bring him down.  And trying to lowball BM's feats before they are posted.  "I'm familiar but not impressed".  LOL.  BM beats Orion's ass.

He, Monica and Captain Marvel's EP had more effect on Galactus than Orion and Darkseid.

Probably the same sockpuppet who claims a character with few impressive feats can beat a character that has a much larger number of impressive feats. That's what you're doing here. Hell you never even gave any reasons to support your empty opinion that BM can beat Orion. What I did was cite feats that Orion has actually done, yes they were from a respect thread but I had read most of the comics they were from, and showed how those feats were objectively better than what Blue Marvel has done. I could have done your job and shown Blue Marvel's feats in comparison but I thought you wouldn't have anything to do.

Stop lying about DC fanboy bullshit, you sound like the petty fanboy who can't handle the truth that goes against your tunnel vision nonsense. Sentry was absolutely sucker punched, he was trying to reason with BM after beating him up even whilst weakened by Anti-Man's anti matter field. Sentry says "Now stay down before I get really ticked off." He was trying to warn BM to stop fighting and BM sucker punched him. Sentry at least KOed BM with his sucker punch. And when Sentry fought BM, he fought him alone without the other Avengers. So their fight was just one on one, not with the rest of the Avengers. Plus BM was getting hurt by Iron Man's repulsors and Ares' axe and he didn't actually defeat any of them. You missed that from your biased post.

"LOL BM beats Orion's ass." Not without proof he doesn't and you have jack shit in the evidence corner whereas I have stated my case for the record.

Are you saying that a non canon crossover trumps actual canon comics from the DCU? Oh dear lord you sound more dense than a black hole. Guess what genius, the Hunger crossover isn't canon whereas the comics where Orion resists transmutation via Mother Box are canon. Got it memorised?

You think Blue Marvel had a fucking effect on Galactus because of a non-canon crossover where Orion and Darkseid failed to harm Galactus? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what kind of idiot uses non-canon crossovers as evidence? You're a joke if you think that Hunger crossover is actual proof of anything. Oh yeah and the comic states "He's staggered, we took him by surprise" and "But he's absorbing the energy Adam" BM did nothing to Galactus, it's like a child pushing an adult back slightly.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2016, 06:14:20 PM »

Oh, and you showed no speed feats other than flight speed despite your deceptive description.  Surfer has taken a fleet out during annihilation just the same.  I'll have to look and see how much more is fabricated.

*Insert Lex Luthor Wrong video* because I did and it doesn't matter what Surfer has fucking done, it matters what BM has done. Surfer can stomp Orion but Orion is vastly beyond BM's dreams to take in a fight. By feats BM is not as strong, fast, tough, powerful or versatile and whilst you're entitled to your opinion, that doesn't make it right.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2016, 06:56:07 PM »

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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2016, 09:46:33 PM »

Yes.

He doesn't like Sentry

High opinion of BM (and Thor) as well. KG once said that BM was more powerful than Superman but not as powerful as Thor. He later switched it up and said they were all in the same class. But, he said the same of Sentry where he responded to fans that he viewed BM as being more powerful and experienced but then stated they are in the same class. He is also the one that said he viewed Thor as Marvel's most powerful hero and that he is more powerful than Superman and would beat him nearly every time.

KG also had Thor kill both Sentry and Red Hulk in different What Ifs which is pretty much what he said he would do if he ever wrote them fighting. So, KG is kind of just a fanboy period.
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Re: Blue Marvel vs Orion
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2016, 10:59:24 PM »

Oh, and you showed no speed feats other than flight speed despite your deceptive description.  Surfer has taken a fleet out during annihilation just the same.  I'll have to look and see how much more is fabricated.

*Insert Lex Luthor Wrong video* because I did and it doesn't matter what Surfer has fucking done, it matters what BM has done. Surfer can stomp Orion but Orion is vastly beyond BM's dreams to take in a fight. By feats BM is not as strong, fast, tough, powerful or versatile and whilst you're entitled to your opinion, that doesn't make it right.

LOL.  Any character with flight speed can take out a bunch of spaceships.  That's not combat superspeed.  Orion doesn't have that.  Plus, BM does take out a planet destroying armada.

What has Orion lifted beyond what BM has lifted?  Why did you lie about Sentry being weakened?  BM matches strength against Hyperion who holds two universes apart.  He matches a fully powered Sentry on top of the other Avengers.  He takes out King Hyperion.  He hits Namor as hard as Hulk and Thor.  He turns the Ultimo Drone to scraps with enough time to fly back from Greece to resume fighting with his team.  Ultimo is a team buster.  The alien he fights and defeats power register's off the charts.  A hydrogen bomb exploded in his hands.
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