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ICT / Re: Kingdom Gog vs Surtur
« Last post by Abhilegend on January 16, 2019, 11:05:43 PM »
well, then it's not as low the Phantom Zone Projector tearing him apart, but when you go from being a casual multiverse destroyer to taken out by a single blast from Gog, who doesn't always even kill Superman with one shot, Imma call that a low showing.

Let's see you describe how the PZ projector showing was low end.

Well, it's the Phantom Zone Projector taking out a guy who casually destroys multiverses. That'd be low end for somebody like Mr. Mxyzptlk.
He was killed because he was in middle of going back to 5th dimension.

It's a specific situation and hardly a low showing.

ah see that's the thing. The low showing is not actually in the action of Myx being torn apart by his escape, it's by his fearing even being sent to the Phantom Zone.

Should that bother him at all? I love Alan Moore, but I always wondered about that.
Yeah, but Mxy wasn't as powerful pre crisis as he is post crisis.

In fact up until World's funnest and Emperor Joker, he wasn't shown that much powerful. That's why when Joker remakes the universe in Emperor Joker, Superman remarks that Mxy was never that powerful.


It actually started with Grant Morrison's JLA but most writers didn't write mxy as the character he is today until Emperor Joker.
ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« Last post by Gree on January 16, 2019, 10:56:40 PM »
That’s annoying
ICT / Scorpion vs Snake Eyes
« Last post by Gree on January 16, 2019, 10:55:40 PM »
Who’s Ninja master
ICT / Re: Kingdom Gog vs Surtur
« Last post by Abhilegend on January 16, 2019, 10:53:44 PM »
Because it's getting ugly looking up there

re: 1 here: The staff has the power of red suns in it. That's why it's given as a weapon to be used against Superman. This is pretty clear in there. It's a silver bullet in effect.

That's never specifically stated. The Quintessence gave their powers to Gog. The red suns in the staff were not shown the reason Gog was killing Superman either.

- It's there. He has a portion of their power, not the sum total.

If anything, he was strong enough to kill Superman with just metal as well.


- That's not a good example because the METAL was stronger than Superman's skin. It's not just metal, it's metal that's stronger than Superman's skin, which yes Gog pushes in with his own strength

You're giving arbitrary responses now. How many characters do you think could kill Superman that way in one attack?

--I'm not giving an arbitrary response. The metal was stated to be stronger than Superman's skin, so it's not JUST metal. It's specifically stated to be stronger than his skin there. Some as strong as Gog would have little issue killing him that way.


re: 2- My point about Jonathan Kent is for clarification's sake. If a part of the story isn't followed correctly, then it can hurt your argument as far as your understanding of the story goes on other points.

Fair enough.

re: 3- That's not Krypton. Gog didn't take Superman back in time to the explosion of Krypton. If you go to the top of the page the date for this day when Gog comes back in time to kill Superman is given. "July 7th, 2031. Monday". As the text goes on to tell you the bomb itself is duplicating the destruction of Krypton. Okay? We don't see a red sun. All we ever see is a starfield and an atmospheric glow. This is not a feat for how powerful Superman is. This is a specially designed method of execution to ensure Superman feels as much pain and suffering as possible for a millennia.

Oh yeah, you're right. That's no red sun but the explosion of the planet still counts.

And Mark Waid doesn't shows his top tiers able to tank a planet exploding. His Hulk was koed by a mountain exploding for example.

- Well I've no doubt Superman can tank a planet exploding. We've probably seen several examples of that over the years. I'm referring to the Kryptonite part of the equation being taken as a durability feat. It's a galactic death by a thousand cuts.   

I don't think normal Superman could take a planet exploding under Waid. It's a above top tier showing under Waid.

-- Mayhap it is and mayhap it ain't. As far as I'm concerned though, Superman should be able to take a planet blowing up around him. My whole thing was always about the Kryptonite part of the equation.


re: 4- My point remains. Speed + force here, shows he was overwhelmed. Yes, he can overwhelm them too. We see that alot. I would say though, this shows that he's not thousands of times more powerful than them. And yeah, Thor caused Surtur pain. You're not seeing me argue otherwise.

Except he was far more powerful than all of them combined as explicitly stated and even after weakened, he tanked Superman with a GL ring, cosmic rod, astro force and multiple other top tier weapons abd then defeated them again.



- I'm not discounting that he's more powerful than they are. It's the degree to which he's more powerful.

So he is more powerful than KC Superman, Starheart Alan Scott, Nabu, Power Woman, Flash, KC Wonder Woman, normal Superman and normal Wonder Woman along with multiple other mid tiers like Starman and Captain Atom.

-- oh with his energy absorption, he's got that. no disputing it.

I'm not certain Odin or Surtur have never been shown that much powerful compared to Thor.

-- I dunno, I haven't read every issue with either character. But if anyone has more scans I'd be more than willing to take a look.



Re: 5- Again, I'm not certain where you're getting this. The staff's purpose as a weapon against Superman is that it's charged by red sun energy. 
Never specified that it was red suns which were instrumental in killing Superman.

It's a staff charged by red suns. I would say that's a dead giveaway.
Only if he is using red sun energies. It wouldn't explain how he is killing KC Superman who had grown past his weaknesses.

Or how he was able to shatter boundaries of hypertime or blow a hole in mxy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never anything at all about Superman getting past red sun energy in Kingdom Come. Lex mentions Kryptonite doesn't pack the same punch it used to, which to me makes sense. If Superman absorbs the power of a yellow sun steadily over time he should, or at least does in this case, probably grow more resistant to it. Red solar energy on the other hand, unless I'm mistaken, is something he can't process. His body still absorbs it but doesn't process it to feed his powers and the first usual sign of that is his invulnerability lessens. I'd imagine adding the heat of a red sun with that would be be detrimental to Superman. Likewise I'd have to imagine there's a certain level charge to his staff, that it needs to recharge its energies over time, probably explaining why he can one shot an older, presumably more powerful Superman, but takes multiples shots to kill a younger one and even by the time of the Kingdom #2, doesn't really bother the Superman of the 90s there in that last shot, where he blasts him out of Planet Krypton and into Hypertime and he comes back relatively unscathed.

Even normal Superman is very resistant to red sun energy attacks. Like recently in Batman endgame, Batman used multiple red giants shrunk to wear it and Superman wasn't much bothered by it.

The notion that Gog was killing Superman because of his weaknesses is never shown. In fact he tells Superman that he doesn't needs kryptonite to kill him.


Which leads me back to the "My God! He's breached the walls of Hypertime!" statement, which I think is being taken as Gog blasting through dimensions here, but to me is he'd breached the walls of Planet Krypton into Hypertime, as Rip Hunter had already moved the building there. Edit: If there is another scene that I'm missing or what not I'll be more than happy to take a look at it.

He had already breached the walls of hypertime.



As for Myx, I'll say what I've been saying. Low showing.

How convenient.
ICT / Re: Mystical Defense Squad
« Last post by Gree on January 16, 2019, 10:07:13 PM »
Description at some point
ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« Last post by gokenadams on January 16, 2019, 10:03:46 PM »
Uncanny xmen #10

Confirmation x-man received/is recieving an outside amp

So is
xman >>> legion?

ICT / Re: Hulk (2003 movie) vs Aquaman (DCEU)
« Last post by . on January 16, 2019, 10:03:13 PM »
They could probably approximate that feat.
Or perhaps the sub was emerging on its own power and Aquaman speed up the process.
Again, my main rationale is that his other strength feats seem just too far off.
The same can be said for Thors "star" feat in infinity war.   His other strength feats just aren't the same ball park.
ICT / Re: Mystical Defense Squad
« Last post by Gree on January 16, 2019, 08:39:09 PM »

1.)The Sage
Item 1:The Book of the Vishanti
Item 2: Norn Stones

2.) The Seer
Sasuke Uchiha

3.) The Dreadnought
The Juggernaut

4.) The Wraith/Forsaken
Item 3: Ghost Riders medallion of Power
Item 4: Cytorraks Chain

5.)The Wildcard
John Constantine

6.) The Champion

7.) The Traveler
Illyana Rasputin/Magik
ICT / Re: Mystical Defense Squad
« Last post by Gree on January 16, 2019, 08:31:54 PM »
Great live action stuff guys

That Michael Myers on is interesting
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