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ICT / Re: Larry Holmes vs Lennox Lewis ( Both Primes )
« on: February 17, 2019, 09:26:48 PM »
Holmes.  More well rounded cc and cerebral fighter and Lewis had a weak chin. Close fight though.

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ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 14, 2019, 08:26:48 PM »
Byrne puts his Gladiator well above his Superman.

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ICT / Re: Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson
« on: February 11, 2019, 05:02:41 PM »
Ali dealt with the heaviest hitters in heavyweight History. Liston, Frazier, Shavers and Foreman. He beat them all, though Frazier does have a win over him in a fight that likely took part of the souls of them both.

None of those guys had the same kind of power as Tyson. Tyson had an explosive powers that knocked you out of your senses. - Kid Dynamite. But Those aforementioned had more of a sledge hammer, - make you question your place in the game, kind of power.

Tyson also had trouble when he couldn't intimidate or runaway with a win over his opponents and Ali had the best poker demeanor in Boxing history, he's just as fast, taller and packs quite the punch himself.

Ali 8/10

This is a very good analysis. Tyson has never won a tough scrap where he has to battle back from the brink. He was either dominant or he lost. Even his fight with Ruddock was one sided despite Ruddock firing cannons himself.

Ali has faced harder hitters but none with the combination of power, speed and accuracy of Tyson. Tyson lacked Joe Frazier's range and depended more on getting close (Joe would almost leap in with his hook).  It would be interesting but I give it to Ali.

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ICT / Re: The least preppy smart guy in comics
« on: January 29, 2019, 07:46:00 PM »
Thunderball.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 20, 2019, 10:04:57 AM »
So I decided to look into things since you are avoiding the debate.

There's an alternate reality version of Surfer who had the Quantum Bands and other items of power.  He hurt Galactus but he was obviously souped up.  The only other example are some scans of Galactus apparently being reborn as reality reset itself.  surfer fired a blast that made Galactus cry out in pain but he was fully reborn in the next page. Considering the circumstances, that seems to be extraneous circumstances.  If anyone has more details, please share.

I found an example of Quasar deflecting an eye-beam from Galactus but that is not nearly the same thing.

Red Hulk went after Galactus while riding Surfer's board and wielding Terrax's axe.  Galactus eye blasted him out of the sky moments later, iirc.  He hurt The Watcher if that's what you're thinking of.

I couldn't find anything about BRB hurting Galactus.  Nor Juggernaut (although you didn't seem sure on that one yourself).  I'm not sure what you mean by "tearing apart Doomsday" or Disciple.

Also, you do not know what a strawman is.
Keeper defeated Galactus and he only had Quantum Bands and power cosmic.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-1990/Issue-25?id=5421

Also Herald Johnny Storm drained Galactus by a device from Reed's design but it was created by Quasar's quantum bands.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fantastic-Four-1961/Issue-522?id=27288

So its a technical defeat but defeat nonetheless.

Even your own link stresses that he is taight to utilize the bands to their fullest potential making him significantly more than he was when Galactus nearly destroys him while he first weilded the bands.
He was stalemated by Dargo Ktor (Future Thor), stalemated by Starhawk and utterly dwarfed in power by the power of Korvac. He was maybe above top tier but never showed it.

Weren't those two fights before he was instructed by Aron?

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 17, 2019, 10:07:52 PM »
So I decided to look into things since you are avoiding the debate.

There's an alternate reality version of Surfer who had the Quantum Bands and other items of power.  He hurt Galactus but he was obviously souped up.  The only other example are some scans of Galactus apparently being reborn as reality reset itself.  surfer fired a blast that made Galactus cry out in pain but he was fully reborn in the next page. Considering the circumstances, that seems to be extraneous circumstances.  If anyone has more details, please share.

I found an example of Quasar deflecting an eye-beam from Galactus but that is not nearly the same thing.

Red Hulk went after Galactus while riding Surfer's board and wielding Terrax's axe.  Galactus eye blasted him out of the sky moments later, iirc.  He hurt The Watcher if that's what you're thinking of.

I couldn't find anything about BRB hurting Galactus.  Nor Juggernaut (although you didn't seem sure on that one yourself).  I'm not sure what you mean by "tearing apart Doomsday" or Disciple.

Also, you do not know what a strawman is.
Keeper defeated Galactus and he only had Quantum Bands and power cosmic.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-1990/Issue-25?id=5421

Also Herald Johnny Storm drained Galactus by a device from Reed's design but it was created by Quasar's quantum bands.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fantastic-Four-1961/Issue-522?id=27288

So its a technical defeat but defeat nonetheless.

Even your own link stresses that he is taight to utilize the bands to their fullest potential making him significantly more than he was when Galactus nearly destroys him while he first weilded the bands.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 17, 2019, 12:10:48 AM »
No he doesn't.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 16, 2019, 11:25:49 PM »
Thanos includes the expected energy drain in his plans. He anticipates the drain as shown below:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CLPZHKvvRHBfwvHxfRlKPE5hbcizh7l0u0B8WAguN6DUu3Cm8vQl_Oznf8RRQU0S9IhUV2ZxoPjW=s1600

And? There is no indication that Thanos calculated that into Galactus survival chance.

And Galactus survived barely after getting drained.
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Stating what would happen IF you kill someone is different from stating that you WILL kill someone. Fallen One seeks to kill Galactus just as he had sought to kill Galactus in all of his previous attempts. Thanos seeks to convince him to not make the attempt by informing him of the consequences if successful.


Which wouldn't be necessary if Fallen One was never capable of killing Galactus.

You're saying that the entire arc was meaningless.

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Thanos no more than aknowledges that in this vulnerable state, Galactus is at risk, yet Galactus actually not only survives the attack but BFRs Fallen One. Thanos points out that Galactus is responding to his request and Skreet straight out states they they are too far away for teleportation. What else is needed for you?
Galactus never survived the attack. Thanos teleported Fallen before he could attack Galactus.

But you're essentially saying that the whole arc was meaningless. How enlightening.

Where do you get that the arc would be meaningless? Thanos's plan from the jump is to manipulate things in order to make Fallen One his herald. That is why he manipulates Galactus in the delivering Fallen One to him.


The arc was about Thanos saving Galactus from Fallen One. But according to you Galactus was never in any danger at all because apparently you know better than the writer.
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So you're saying that Thanos teleports both Fallen One and Galactus's hand to himself even after Skreet states that teleportation won't work at that distance? You're saying that Galactus basically saying "since you want him, here he is" has no meaning and that Thanos saying that all he needed to do was make a request has no purpose?


That's an artistic license but Thanos clearly teleports Fallen One.
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Clearly Galactus transports him in his fist.
Let's believe that, how does that mean that Galactus wasn't in danger of getting killed by Fallen One?

LOL at claiming "artistic license" to dispute what is clearly shown on the page.

Thanos's ultimate goal is to gain a herald. Saving Galactus's is mostly a ruse. And it's funny that you accuse me of saying that Galactus is in no danger at all when I never said that and I pointed out earlier that Thanks aknowledges that Galactus is "at risk" in that condition.

You said that Fallen One "would have" killed Galactus.  You didn't say potentially could have or anything like that. You say that he would have done something when he actually failsnin his effort to do that something.

Face it. Fallen One is portrayed as an elite top tier at the very least and he fails to defeat a seriously depleted Galactus. Superman would similarly fail and would have zero chance against a fully powered A Galactus.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 15, 2019, 02:32:36 PM »
Thanos includes the expected energy drain in his plans. He anticipates the drain as shown below:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CLPZHKvvRHBfwvHxfRlKPE5hbcizh7l0u0B8WAguN6DUu3Cm8vQl_Oznf8RRQU0S9IhUV2ZxoPjW=s1600

And? There is no indication that Thanos calculated that into Galactus survival chance.

And Galactus survived barely after getting drained.
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Stating what would happen IF you kill someone is different from stating that you WILL kill someone. Fallen One seeks to kill Galactus just as he had sought to kill Galactus in all of his previous attempts. Thanos seeks to convince him to not make the attempt by informing him of the consequences if successful.


Which wouldn't be necessary if Fallen One was never capable of killing Galactus.

You're saying that the entire arc was meaningless.

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Thanos no more than aknowledges that in this vulnerable state, Galactus is at risk, yet Galactus actually not only survives the attack but BFRs Fallen One. Thanos points out that Galactus is responding to his request and Skreet straight out states they they are too far away for teleportation. What else is needed for you?
Galactus never survived the attack. Thanos teleported Fallen before he could attack Galactus.

But you're essentially saying that the whole arc was meaningless. How enlightening.

Where do you get that the arc would be meaningless? Thanos's plan from the jump is to manipulate things in order to make Fallen One his herald. That is why he manipulates Galactus in the delivering Fallen One to him.

So you're saying that Thanos teleports both Fallen One and Galactus's hand to himself even after Skreet states that teleportation won't work at that distance? You're saying that Galactus basically saying "since you want him, here he is" has no meaning and that Thanos saying that all he needed to do was make a request has no purpose?

Clearly Galactus transports him in his fist.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 14, 2019, 03:43:37 PM »
Thanos includes the expected energy drain in his plans. He anticipates the drain as shown below:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CLPZHKvvRHBfwvHxfRlKPE5hbcizh7l0u0B8WAguN6DUu3Cm8vQl_Oznf8RRQU0S9IhUV2ZxoPjW=s1600

Stating what would happen IF you kill someone is different from stating that you WILL kill someone. Fallen One seeks to kill Galactus just as he had sought to kill Galactus in all of his previous attempts. Thanos seeks to convince him to not make the attempt by informing him of the consequences if successful.

Thanos no more than aknowledges that in this vulnerable state, Galactus is at risk, yet Galactus actually not only survives the attack but BFRs Fallen One. Thanos points out that Galactus is responding to his request and Skreet straight out states they they are too far away for teleportation. What else is needed for you?

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 14, 2019, 12:53:41 AM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

Where does Thanos show this?  It's specifically stated that Hunger is absorbing his power.  The planet collision is the icing on the cake.


You must be blind if you think this shows Galactus being weakened by Hunger.



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That scene shows Galactus delivering Fallen One to Thanos.  That's a successful BFR.
Wut? Are you incapable of reading? Thanos teleported fallen one and himself to his sanctuary.

Thanos is already in his sanctuary and was only projecting his astral form to Galactus. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ftG1wle00akFTPbFO2TkoZfYZj_dFcc1Sx5gW4GWFZAhschQfc0RRf8cM89kRI-MB8km_kvCdJW1=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Dqgdz9COFWtIKM7VggnCriL2h3zEkLkKwyWzmQQA74OdCvotZ041m7ofdkbb4_vYoW13zk8EWCZc=s1600

It’s clear as day that Galactus teleports Fallen One to Thanos enclosed in his fist and Thanos states that all he contributes is a suggestion to Galactus that he wants Fallen One.  Skreet straight out states that teleportation by Thanos “falls short”.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1LEM68sFSR-AJa8hCEb7wXzUtMfkwhHVT_3TmS25oxF_KvXnaxqgaqO3aRk1Yj4QW727OFeeZ9E_=s1600


Haha, WTF. Fallen One straight up says Thanos set that up.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aj5jvNhx2v0bj2k5NUdW927f-J3nbp9dd7CUTIl1qvZAq2fe_tIZbXiK5XRjyHL3uee8Ose2i522=s1600

You're just blind at this moment if you think that was Galactus doing it.

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When a character absorbs your power, it almost always weakens you, and always with Galactus (think Tyrant).  That is what Hunger does to Galactus well before the planet collision.
That's not what was shown and stated by Thanos to what weakened Galactus.

That is what is shown in the issues written by Starlin.


Well, Giffen didn't referenced it.
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Thanos sets things in motion with "an expression of interest".  He anticipates that Galactus will deliver Fallen One to him after expressing his interest in utilizing him. That is practically indesputable. Galactus delivers Fallen One to Thanos using his own power.

So Galactus was ready to die but suddenly teleported Fallen One to Thanos without any rhyme or reason?

Your fanfiction doesn't count. Again.

Well a big point of yours was what Starlin references since Starlin also wrote the Superman issue.  Giffen not including the power drain in his one panel flashback image doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Starlin wrote that even at full power Galactus had 60% chance of dying. Giffen didn't even referenced it. Your entire point is invalid here.
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And where does Galactus state that he is ready to die? That notion is what is fanfiction. The only thing Galactus expresses being prepared to accept is facing FO while depleted. He says that whatever happens will happen. He never gives an anticipated nor a possible outcome. He shows us the outcome. He delivers FO to Thanos.
Thanos straight up says Galactus would die because he is weakened and that's the whole point of the arc.

You're simply an idiot now.

Starlin never wrote "even at full power".  You straight out made that up. Thanos gave Galactus a 60% chance of survival at that moment, which is after Hunger absorbs Galactus's power.

Also, Thanos never says that Galactus would die  Provide the quote. That's something else you made up.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 13, 2019, 08:46:38 PM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

Where does Thanos show this?  It's specifically stated that Hunger is absorbing his power.  The planet collision is the icing on the cake.


You must be blind if you think this shows Galactus being weakened by Hunger.



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That scene shows Galactus delivering Fallen One to Thanos.  That's a successful BFR.
Wut? Are you incapable of reading? Thanos teleported fallen one and himself to his sanctuary.

Thanos is already in his sanctuary and was only projecting his astral form to Galactus. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ftG1wle00akFTPbFO2TkoZfYZj_dFcc1Sx5gW4GWFZAhschQfc0RRf8cM89kRI-MB8km_kvCdJW1=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Dqgdz9COFWtIKM7VggnCriL2h3zEkLkKwyWzmQQA74OdCvotZ041m7ofdkbb4_vYoW13zk8EWCZc=s1600

It’s clear as day that Galactus teleports Fallen One to Thanos enclosed in his fist and Thanos states that all he contributes is a suggestion to Galactus that he wants Fallen One.  Skreet straight out states that teleportation by Thanos “falls short”.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1LEM68sFSR-AJa8hCEb7wXzUtMfkwhHVT_3TmS25oxF_KvXnaxqgaqO3aRk1Yj4QW727OFeeZ9E_=s1600


Haha, WTF. Fallen One straight up says Thanos set that up.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aj5jvNhx2v0bj2k5NUdW927f-J3nbp9dd7CUTIl1qvZAq2fe_tIZbXiK5XRjyHL3uee8Ose2i522=s1600

You're just blind at this moment if you think that was Galactus doing it.

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When a character absorbs your power, it almost always weakens you, and always with Galactus (think Tyrant).  That is what Hunger does to Galactus well before the planet collision.
That's not what was shown and stated by Thanos to what weakened Galactus.

That is what is shown in the issues written by Starlin.


Well, Giffen didn't referenced it.
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Thanos sets things in motion with "an expression of interest".  He anticipates that Galactus will deliver Fallen One to him after expressing his interest in utilizing him. That is practically indesputable. Galactus delivers Fallen One to Thanos using his own power.

So Galactus was ready to die but suddenly teleported Fallen One to Thanos without any rhyme or reason?

Your fanfiction doesn't count. Again.

Well a big point of yours was what Starlin references since Starlin also wrote the Superman issue.  Giffen not including the power drain in his one panel flashback image doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

And where does Galactus state that he is ready to die? That notion is what is fanfiction. The only thing Galactus expresses being prepared to accept is facing FO while depleted. He says that whatever happens will happen. He never gives an anticipated nor a possible outcome. He shows us the outcome. He delivers FO to Thanos.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 13, 2019, 10:05:33 AM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

Where does Thanos show this?  It's specifically stated that Hunger is absorbing his power.  The planet collision is the icing on the cake.


You must be blind if you think this shows Galactus being weakened by Hunger.



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That scene shows Galactus delivering Fallen One to Thanos.  That's a successful BFR.
Wut? Are you incapable of reading? Thanos teleported fallen one and himself to his sanctuary.

Thanos is already in his sanctuary and was only projecting his astral form to Galactus. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ftG1wle00akFTPbFO2TkoZfYZj_dFcc1Sx5gW4GWFZAhschQfc0RRf8cM89kRI-MB8km_kvCdJW1=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Dqgdz9COFWtIKM7VggnCriL2h3zEkLkKwyWzmQQA74OdCvotZ041m7ofdkbb4_vYoW13zk8EWCZc=s1600

It’s clear as day that Galactus teleports Fallen One to Thanos enclosed in his fist and Thanos states that all he contributes is a suggestion to Galactus that he wants Fallen One.  Skreet straight out states that teleportation by Thanos “falls short”.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1LEM68sFSR-AJa8hCEb7wXzUtMfkwhHVT_3TmS25oxF_KvXnaxqgaqO3aRk1Yj4QW727OFeeZ9E_=s1600


Haha, WTF. Fallen One straight up says Thanos set that up.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aj5jvNhx2v0bj2k5NUdW927f-J3nbp9dd7CUTIl1qvZAq2fe_tIZbXiK5XRjyHL3uee8Ose2i522=s1600

You're just blind at this moment if you think that was Galactus doing it.

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When a character absorbs your power, it almost always weakens you, and always with Galactus (think Tyrant).  That is what Hunger does to Galactus well before the planet collision.
That's not what was shown and stated by Thanos to what weakened Galactus.

That is what is shown in the issues written by Starlin.

Thanos sets things in motion with "an expression of interest".  He anticipates that Galactus will deliver Fallen One to him after expressing his interest in utilizing him. That is practically indesputable. Galactus delivers Fallen One to Thanos using his own power.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 12, 2019, 03:28:34 PM »
There is also the time when Galactus was weakened by two colliding planets (Superman survived two colliding planets under the same writer Starlin) that Fallen One would've killed him.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-11?id=55137

Galactus is weakened by Hunger (the entity).  And since Fallen One actually does reach Galactus and fails to kill him (Galactus manhandles him), it is clear that Fallen One would not have killed him.
Thanos explicitly shows the planets colliding as the reason he was weakened.

Also Thanos saved Galactus, who was ready to die.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thanos/Issue-12?id=55140

Where does Thanos show this?  It's specifically stated that Hunger is absorbing his power.  The planet collision is the icing on the cake.


You must be blind if you think this shows Galactus being weakened by Hunger.



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That scene shows Galactus delivering Fallen One to Thanos.  That's a successful BFR.
Wut? Are you incapable of reading? Thanos teleported fallen one and himself to his sanctuary.

Thanos is already in his sanctuary and was only projecting his astral form to Galactus. 

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ftG1wle00akFTPbFO2TkoZfYZj_dFcc1Sx5gW4GWFZAhschQfc0RRf8cM89kRI-MB8km_kvCdJW1=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Dqgdz9COFWtIKM7VggnCriL2h3zEkLkKwyWzmQQA74OdCvotZ041m7ofdkbb4_vYoW13zk8EWCZc=s1600

It’s clear as day that Galactus teleports Fallen One to Thanos enclosed in his fist and Thanos states that all he contributes is a suggestion to Galactus that he wants Fallen One.  Skreet straight out states that teleportation by Thanos “falls short”.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1LEM68sFSR-AJa8hCEb7wXzUtMfkwhHVT_3TmS25oxF_KvXnaxqgaqO3aRk1Yj4QW727OFeeZ9E_=s1600

When a character absorbs your power, it almost always weakens you, and always with Galactus (think Tyrant).  That is what Hunger does to Galactus well before the planet collision.

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ICT / Re: How hungry should Galactus be...to lose against Superman?
« on: January 11, 2019, 02:42:59 PM »
like ap said Give  every example of a fully-powered Galactus being defeated by a top-tier.

Based on his creators, Stan and Jack, Wonderman's fist is equal to Mjolnir.

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