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ICT / Nabu and Mordu vs Darkseid and High Father
« on: October 20, 2018, 01:14:37 AM »
What duo wins?

ICT / King Thor vs The Magus
« on: October 15, 2018, 12:35:02 AM »
King Thor from the Reigning storyline..
Original Magus

ICT / Hyperion(Hickman) vs Supreme (Liefield)
« on: October 15, 2018, 12:33:09 AM »
Battle of the superman homages.

ICT / Hulk vs Hulk fights
« on: September 30, 2018, 07:11:11 PM »
Mr Fixit vs Merged Hulk (When Merged turned back into banner if he got angry)
Immortal Hulk vs the Maestro
Ultimate Hulk vs Hulk 2099
Doc Green vs Merged Hulk

ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Majin Buu vs One Punch Man
« on: September 30, 2018, 07:01:27 PM »
Latest version of Buu? is Fat Buu from Super. He's pretty strong, but lazy as shit. I think Saitama pretty much has this in the bag as he casually tanked a much more powerful attack than Buu can generate.

What attack was that?

ICT / Re: Badrock vs Bardock
« on: September 25, 2018, 10:45:10 PM »
I know very little about Badrock but I always got the impression he was somewhere around the thing never saw anything to make me think he was top tier.

Bardock should have the power to toss out at least mountain busting attacks at minimum, is way too fast to be touched and much more skilled he should win in a curbstomp.

Btw I was thinking of posting a Badrock thread last night when I made the Pitt thread. Funny because other then that have not thought of the character in years.

ICT / Pitt (Image) vs Prime (Ultraverse)
« on: September 25, 2018, 01:26:52 AM »
Inspired by reading some old random crossovers by Peter David.

Marvel Zombies / Re: What has Aaron done?
« on: September 24, 2018, 09:24:01 PM »
So I have been following this thread and honestly at this point I have to ask outside of referencing The Jane Thor run which has a lot of problems but is an outlier even in the career of that one writer does this whole movement have any points that have not been debunked by now?

It hasn't been debunked because they have enough material to comment upon and the continued 'faux outrage' of creators on twitter (stepped up recently) highlights that this is almost exclusively a divide on political grounds.

Visior Q already addressed this but that is not how basic debating logic works. If almost every point brought up by a certain source has been wrong or exaggerated to the point of being invalid as a legitimate critique then that source stops being trustworthy unless new evidence is provided to show that it is indeed worth addressing

The whole "comics are dying" thing has been pretty clearly shown to be a massive example of exaggeration.

Well sales are down and comic stores are closing. So while saying Comics are Dying IS an exaggeration, the term is not an end state in and of itself.

Comic stores dying is not comics dying. Comics becoming more entwined with mainstream bookstores could be argued to be healthier for the industry in the long term. This serves as another example of issues with Comicsgate. The comics industry is in no danger whatsoever of falling apart. The statement the comics industry is dying is incorrect. It seems the only thing they can do is make extremely overblown claims and then have defenders argue they meant something much more mild after it is pointed out what they said is factually incorrect. You can call it hyperbole as much as you want but the fact remains the things they are saying are wrong and of course people tend to be dismissive of those repeating factually incorrect things.

The issue of marvel replacement characters has been pretty clearly shown to fit into the trend of past marvel history. Yeah some of them were pretty crappy but I put that down to a lot of current writers and styles that are given a ton of freedom. Was the iron man replacement really any worse then Bendis milking the whole secret of Ronin?

Too many replacement characters at the same time, none of whom were handled well and with each and every one Identity Politics were pushed ahead of story.

Total opinion with no actual facts to argue. The current Ms Marvel, Miles Spidey and  Hawkeye  certainly seem to have very large fanbases. While none of the characters particularly interested me I have sampled all of their stuff and it seemed to be consistent with the general level of a traditional marvel comic. I would argue that those claiming that every single replacement character was handled poorly would make up an extremely small minority.

The whole current political trends are being unfairly forced into the comics is almost laughable compared to examples given from the past about how female characters were very intentionally margianialized in mainstream comics.

So do two wrongs make a right?

No but it illustrates the lack of truth behind Comicsgates claim that they want politics out of comics when what they use as example a traditional status quo that was created and maintained by much more extreme and discriminatory policies. Also it puts into focus the fact that the politics free comics landscape never existed. The current landscape of marvel is actually must more reflective of modern society which is of course something modern companies are going to want. Comicgate has not proven there are any problems with this besides personal opinions so they appeal to the past to return to a status quo created because of philosophies that would be seen as extremely far right an unacceptable by the vast majority of modern society. 

In regards to various other points they are clearly outright lying on several events in current comics or exaggerating them so far beyond the context of the actual comic that they are useless to consider as valid criticism. Say what you want about hyperbole but if you distort something enough that you are no longer addressing the actual subject matter then you no longer have the right to act like you are presenting a valid point.

Agreed and I think that works on both sides of the fence which is why the 'truth' lies somewhere in between.

The thing is Comicsgate is trying to present themselves as a movement. There is no anti Comicsgate movement. They are trying to convince people of what they believe and for most people the amount of clearly proven dishonesty coming from them means the most logical thing to do is ignore them.

A large number of the main personalities behind comicsgate are clearly sexist and racist. That has been pretty clearly shown through this thread and the fact that the movement is welling to accept the as major contributors says very negative things about it.

If you insult (for the purposes of humour or otherwise lets say for the sake of argument) various individuals including a woman does that automatically make you a sexist?

I was watching some Ricky Gervais stand-up (on Netflix) a few days ago and he was insulting/making fun of lots of people including Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner...does that mean he's automatically transphobic?

If you in ignore the qualifications of women to falsely attack them for being unqualified just because they are women then yes you are a sexist.

Someone trying to incite anger against a business by launching false attacks based on sexism on employees is not remotely the same as being a stand up comedian making jokes. Honestly this comparison is incredibly intellectually dishonest and it really seems like you are doing mental gymnastics to try and justify this group because you approve of their politics.

It's also pretty clear that the movement is being hugely hypocritical complaining about inserting politics into comics and then supporting material that is equally far right from creators in the community. Honestly if you can look at scans posted a page bag and not see how they are playing into political narratives just as much as Jane Thor played into its own then you are allowing your own political views to blind you. Both were a huge turn off for me.

Marvel character's punch Nazis...Comicsgate characters punch Nazis AND MS-13 yet the latter is deemed politically biased.  ::)

Captain America being anti Nazi was incredibly political as has already been explained. I have used images from the early issues in several of the World War 2 classes I have taught. There is nothing wrong with politics in comics. Marvel has been very open about it throughout its history. Superman widely accepted as the first superhero was incredibly political to a degree you would likely not see in an A list hero today. Comicsgate gets insulted from proclaiming they are against politics in comics (ignoring history) then turning around and right away inserting right wing politics into the comics they are involved in

Are there actually any other issues because honestly it seems at this point comicsgate should be given zero credibility.

Certainly the (left leaning, identity politics steeped) mainstream wants Comicsgate totally no platformed.

Issues sexist attacks on people in the industry based on false information
Distorts and lies about the material in comics to promote outrage
Takes no action to distance itself from individuals who make totally inappropriate and unprofessional statements

In is defense you can claim there is too much "SJW" stuff in comics.

Of course the vast majority of the mainstream wants nothing to do with such a toxic movement obsessing over a leisure hobby. Most people will just choose to not rid the stuff they find annoying and go on with their day.

Honestly it seems like you take as a default that the mainstream is super far left then use it as an argument for anything Comicsgate does.When the frequent lies, dishonesty and negative behaviors of Comicsgate members is pointed out you simple refer without any facts to the left trying to suppress alternate views.

Honestly besides your personal preference for right wing politics why should they be given a platform? Based on their own behavior they are proven themselves very unworthy of one by the standards of any professional business.

Marvel Zombies / Has there been any good stuff with the Maker?
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:36:34 PM »
I really liked Maker in Hickman Ultimates and then agin in Secret Wars and Ultimates.

Is he in anything else worth tracking down?

ICT / PC Validus vs The Anti Monitor
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:30:38 PM »
Validus replaces Supergirl.

ICT / Damon (Vampire Diaries) vs Spike (Buffy)
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:28:52 PM »
Curious how powerful VD vampires are.

ICT / Macbeth (Gargoyles) vs Batman (Dark Knight Returns)
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:27:09 PM »
Macbeth is hired to bring down the Bat.

ICT / How powerful is current Thanos
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:03:07 PM »
In his last series Thanos lost his powers and gained a new source of power to fight his son. Has this affected his standing?

ICT / Star Wars EU: Thrawn vs The Vong
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:59:02 PM »
In the original Thrawn trilogy he manages to negotiate a peace with the New Republic leaving him in control of half the Galaxy.

Can he crush the Vong when they show up?

The New Republic and Luke's Jedi Order will not become involved.

ICT / Movie Thanos vs Darkseid (Superman TAS)
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:53:46 PM »
Darkseid before his death
No gems for Thanos

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