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General Chat / Re: Removing Confederate Monuments
« on: Today at 01:03:37 PM »
I'm pretty indifferent to them. To me they're relics of a bygone age, and don't inspire any great feelings one way or another. It was a really long time ago. I'd just leave it up to the people in the communities themselves to vote on it.

Here in the south, I come across people who seem normal and nice... but from childhood they've heard the racist rhetoric of "Southern Pride". Now did it push them to become full blown active racists? No. But you just hear weird comments when topics like this come up. Just in general, you may hear people talk about how slavery wasn't really THAT bad as far as physical cruelty went. And that lynch mobs and cruel slave masters were the exception.

Blows my mind. These are nice people in general, so I feel ok stonewalling their opinions on that and shooting some common sense basic knowledge about slavery. But that's part of the cultural upbringing for a large minority in the south. And having monuments glorifying the traitors who fought to protect slavery? Well, how bad could it have really been if those guys get treated like heroes, right?

I was down here when Georgia removed the rebel flag from the state flag. Holy shit, some rednecks were pissed. But guess what? I see waaaaaaaaaay less confederate flags flown in GA now than I did back in the 90's. And this wasn't rural GA. This was a nice suburban area. Used to see those stupid flags every damn week flying somewhere.

So hopefully the trend of saying "BAD TRAITORS" continues with monument removal.

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General Chat / Removing Confederate Monuments
« on: Today at 07:39:14 AM »
The idea of removing monuments being erasing or revising history has come up in topic about the white nationalist protest violence, and it has come up in the news lately. I've heard it discussed among friends and family too. Here are a few points I wanted to make for its own topic:

1) Enemies and traitors of a nation typically do not get monuments. Exhibits in museums? Sure, that's normal depending on how well known they were. Excerpts in history books (both in schools and for sale to the public)? Absolutely. Bookstores are loaded with books about terrorists, wars, and enemy states... usually WWII and Civil War in US bookstores due to popularity.

But monuments? No. Iraq doesn't keep Saddam Hussein statues in public. Germany does keep Hitler monuments in public. I'm sure Germany also isn't big on Stalin statues. You don't glorify your enemies, and monuments are intended to glorify generally. We don't need to build an Osama bin Laden statue near Freedom Plaza (or anywhere in the US) to remember an enemy of the state. That's absolute bullshit nonsense.

2) The Confederate monuments were historical revisionism. Way after those traitors were defeated, the southern states started to attempt revising history as a "fuck you" to the Civil Rights movement by glorifying traitors who fought to maintain slavery. Those southern states also started to revive use of the confederate battle flag, adding it to their state flags while they renamed streets after famous confederate traitors.

This was revising a history of treason, slavery, and racism into "southern pride" or "heritage". It wasn't remembering the past; it was an attempt to rewrite history in the most favorable light to traitors who went to war to break this nation apart. And it was done primarily as backlash against the efforts to promote civil liberties for black Americans.

Fixing that revisionism is NOT itself revisionism. It is a return to a more accurate historical depiction of events where confederate traitors are not glorified like heroes.

3) Pulling down traitor monuments is not a slippery slope to pulling down every monument that has ever existed across the world for all of time. I don't recall outrage when news showed Iraqi citizens yanking down Saddam's statue.

Deciding who gets/deserves a MONUMENT is something to decide based on popularity and glory-worthy achievement. Confederate monuments went up for shit reasons and are now being removed for historical accuracy.


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Gonna make a separate topic regarding monument removal.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 15, 2017, 11:15:43 PM »
Yeah no one doubted dragons existing again. They just doubted how large or effective they would be. But now Dany showed them.

Whitewalkers, as Oats pointed out, have been pure myth for ages.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 15, 2017, 08:55:03 PM »
Jorah dying here would be pointless to the story. They could have just let him die of grey scale. No reason to bring him back just to immediately kill him off. Same goes for Gendry.

Hound and Jon clearly survive for story reasons (and based on trailer footage). The Brotherhood guys are clearly expendable... maybe not both, but odds are high for Beric. And Tormund dying would just the kind of heart-wrenching shit that Martin would have in his outlines the showrunners are using. 75% chance he dies.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 14, 2017, 01:35:53 PM »
My bets are are on Tormund, the random Wildlings, and Beric dying. And when Beric dies, red priest goes to resurrect him... but a White Walker brings him back as a wight instead.

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Yeah, what a bunch of fucking scum bags.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 14, 2017, 06:38:16 AM »
Bran is fine as-is. They have the excuse of his training being incomplete, and he's more focused on the Night King than anything else.

I liked last night's episode except for Jaimie and Bronn getting away.

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White Nationalists on social media have been pleased with Trump's reaction, noting that he is blaming both sides for the hate.

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"Racism being a problem is over-exaggerated... I mean, we elected a black president!"

"Racial tensions in this country have been worse than ever since Obama was elected."

I think we will be hearing more of #2 and less of #1 for the next month.

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Game Cage / Re: Overwatch
« on: August 11, 2017, 06:56:44 AM »

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McCarthy and Gaiman.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Netflix purchased Millarworld
« on: August 10, 2017, 09:32:53 PM »
CW has their free app/streaming channel, which works just fine. Hulu covers everything else other than stupid fucking CBS. CBS will eventually buckle and get their shit together with a fully free service and make money off their ads like everyone else. Or join Hulu maybe.

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Game Cage / Re: Overwatch
« on: August 09, 2017, 09:59:53 PM »
Well, I somehow made diamond in competitive Lucioball... and then lost my first three actual matches. Apparently very few people are good at goalie.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Game of Thrones
« on: August 09, 2017, 09:57:28 PM »
LMFAO

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