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Byrne also wrote Galactus as well above Darkseid.  Isn’t it a fully fed 616 Galactus who holds his own agains the 4 Mad Celestials, taking down one before they merge together?


What's Darkseid got to do with that?

That was with 4 planet amp. After the amp was gone, one celestial no sold Galactus and downed him before Franklin killed it.

Doesn’t Darkseid whip DC Zeus?  Or are they both below Skyfather level?

Not under same writer.

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Before that Celestial downs him, Galactus rips one apart. 

Ergo, not all celestials are equal in power.

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Tom Brevoort stated on his Forspmspring page that his money is on Galactus against the average Celestial.  Dan Jurgens stated that he sees Galactus on another level above Odin.
Brevoort is just an idiot.

Yet, Fraction wrote Odin as a peer to Galactus.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 04:06:57 PM »
Byrne also wrote Galactus as well above Darkseid.  Isn’t it a fully fed 616 Galactus who holds his own agains the 4 Mad Celestials, taking down one before they merge together?


What's Darkseid got to do with that?

That was with 4 planet amp. After the amp was gone, one celestial no sold Galactus and downed him before Franklin killed it.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:51:37 PM »
Also John Byrne wrote a Watcher as more powerful than Galactus.



The creator of the construct is revealed as a Watcher.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:34:21 PM »
And before you start, yes Zeus was getting amped by Chaos King but it was still mostly his own power.

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Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3 , was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”
Van Lente : Greg?
Pak : I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely is being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.

Hercules was just another skyfather though and oneshotted same Zeus casually.

So you anticipated being called out on ignoring context.  Zeus is enhanced and Galactus doesn’t anticipate this.  He sees Zeus as a “mere Skyfather”.  Herc being cockstroked throughout that story doesn’t change that.  Grandmaster is Skyfather level:


Of course it does. Zeus destroyed Galactus casually and got oneshotted by Hercules.

Galactus was amped by absorbing a sun and filled to his capacity. Even as recently as Hulk 10 he called Grandmaster his rival in power.





Clearly one instance from Englehart didn't change the hierarchy 

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DC Drones / Re: So...Bendis just jumped ship to DC
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:28:52 PM »
Bendis hasn't turned Lex evil. It's Scott Snyder for his Legion of Doom story.

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ICT / Re: Orion VS Zod
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:18:33 PM »
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Hell fucking no. Zod has never 1 shot superman, and he will never match Superman dead even  Orion wins this 9/10. Fucking Superman fans. Every single one of you is a moron.
Zod will also not be overpowered by Martian Manhunter.

Or get destroyed by Doomsday like Orion was.

You ate a fucking moron.

MM over powered Superboy Prime. SBO would wreck Did.


A weakened SBP manhandled J'onn like a child.

J'onn just punched SBP away. Who then oneshotted J'onn.
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Doomsday also beat the shot our of superman in that same story.
In about 12 hits + coluan energy blasts.

Orion was wrecked in three attacks.

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ICT / Re: Superman vs Graviton
« on: June 17, 2018, 01:46:35 PM »
I asked Rick Veitch himself about it some years ago and he stated that Superman smothered its gravity.

https://imgur.com/a/HeKOaCQ

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 01:34:05 PM »
And before you start, yes Zeus was getting amped by Chaos King but it was still mostly his own power.

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Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3 , was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”
Van Lente : Greg?
Pak : I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely is being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.

Hercules was just another skyfather though and oneshotted same Zeus casually.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 01:30:26 PM »
Mere skyfather when he got his ass handed to him by the same "mere skyfather" and another "mere skyfather" oneshotted Zeus just after that?

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ICT / Re: Orion VS Zod
« on: June 17, 2018, 01:28:52 PM »
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Hell fucking no. Zod has never 1 shot superman, and he will never match Superman dead even  Orion wins this 9/10. Fucking Superman fans. Every single one of you is a moron.
Zod will also not be overpowered by Martian Manhunter.

Or get destroyed by Doomsday like Orion was.

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ICT / Re: Orion VS Zod
« on: June 17, 2018, 09:47:57 AM »
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ICT / Re: Human Superman vs Green Goblin
« on: June 17, 2018, 09:47:16 AM »
It was post crisis in general. Superman didn't had super intelligence and wasn't shown particularly smart in most stories.

He however had his super intelligence after Infinite Crisis.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 09:44:21 AM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?
Do you have an actual citation to support what you're saying about the Elder Gods? Nothing you've posted so far supports it.
Thanos Imperative outright stated that the Elder Gods (MAOs) were more powerful than Galactus Engine who was himself taking on Galactus and a dozen Celestials.



Not to mention Tenebrous and Aegis were weakened Elder Gods and were equal to Galactus in power.

Just one MAO killed Aegis casually.

Where do you get that MAOs are elder gods?  They are primordial, demonic, cosmic entities.  They are all powerful in their realms and lose power in order to exist outside.  They exist at full power in the Cancerverse due to death being eliminated there.  So each of them being bigger and more powerful than the Galactus Engine while still in the Cancerverse makes sense.  At full power, Shuma is way up their.


It was repeated several times that MAOs were elder gods in Thanos Imperative.

MAOs didn't get weaker outside cancerverse.
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Tenebrous is also a primordial cosmic entity.  Not an elder god.  That would be Gaea, Set, etc.
Yes, he is. Explicitly stated.






"mad titan or elder god"

he's unsure, thats not explictly stated bro lol

Exactly.  They are explicitly stated to be proemial gods.  Elder gods were birthed by the Demiurge.  The MAOs are not elder gods and neither is Tenebrous.
The demiurge origin is out of continuity now.

Elder Gods is a title, not meaning just the sons of Gaea and Demiurge. They are typically shown more powerful than skyfathers including Galactus.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 09:42:26 AM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?
Do you have an actual citation to support what you're saying about the Elder Gods? Nothing you've posted so far supports it.
Thanos Imperative outright stated that the Elder Gods (MAOs) were more powerful than Galactus Engine who was himself taking on Galactus and a dozen Celestials.



Not to mention Tenebrous and Aegis were weakened Elder Gods and were equal to Galactus in power.

Just one MAO killed Aegis casually.

Where do you get that MAOs are elder gods?  They are primordial, demonic, cosmic entities.  They are all powerful in their realms and lose power in order to exist outside.  They exist at full power in the Cancerverse due to death being eliminated there.  So each of them being bigger and more powerful than the Galactus Engine while still in the Cancerverse makes sense.  At full power, Shuma is way up their.


It was repeated several times that MAOs were elder gods in Thanos Imperative.

MAOs didn't get weaker outside cancerverse.
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Tenebrous is also a primordial cosmic entity.  Not an elder god.  That would be Gaea, Set, etc.
Yes, he is. Explicitly stated.






"mad titan or elder god"

he's unsure, thats not explictly stated bro lol
She is talking about Aegis, Tenebrous and Thanos. One Titan, two Elder Gods

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ICT / Re: Human Superman vs Green Goblin
« on: June 17, 2018, 07:06:54 AM »
Like Superman tricking Lex with the help of Starman?

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