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Debate / Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
« on: Today at 01:06:49 PM »
Again I put this by how I would react if someone else did it. like someone like who I voted for like an Obama or Hillary

not going to say how the republicans would react..which is basicly burn the white house to the ground. But how I would personaly react


I think if Obama tried to make the crazy ass claim..they were the only ones who every contacted a fallen solider family..I would say that was an easily provable load of bullshit. Hell I might give them a benifit of the doubt and say it was a slip of the tongue. If they then DOUBLE DOWN on it..and the insane claim they never called a person family..when it  clear proof they were at the person Dinner table...I would start questioning their sanity


Somehow Trump given a speacial passed to bullshit due to bullshitting so much. Where if you have to call him out on his bullshit so much...you start looking like the asshole. When really that shouldnt be the case. Can see why it tiring because he keeps doing crazy shit. But if the president..the most powerfull man in the world keep doing crazy ass shit...then the media will report on it

Currently he saying he has proof that the congresswoman was lying. Any other president the media would hound the guy for the proof he said he has. But they will drop this..and move on to Trump next crazy ass shit.

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Debate / Re: What do you think Trump's and Tillerson's IQ would be?
« on: October 17, 2017, 07:27:49 PM »
See this shows the true mistake people sometimes make with intellegence. There is a trope in TV, movies of smart people being assholes. Like the more smart you are the bigger douce you are.  Because if your smart you cant deal with  boring stuff like being nice,  working with people, seeing the other side...because your just the damm smartest guy in the room

But really there are nice smart people
And dumb people that are raving assholes


it because if your smart you might be smart enough to know there shit you don't know. Trump may very well be smart in some regards but dumb in others.  Which is why a buisness man...even a good one might not be as good at running a goverment.  And this is worsen by the fact trump not even a good buisnessman. 


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Debate / Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
« on: October 17, 2017, 07:17:47 PM »
But how does he have time when he's the only president to ever call the families of fallen soldiers?

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/355728-trump-faces-blowback-after-claim-about-calls-to-families-of-the-fallen

Trump clearly cant admit her wrong

This came from people attacking him for not reaching out to war familes. So of course he attack obama. And when confronted about this instead of say "Yea I mispoke"   he double down with saying Obama never called Kelly when his son died

turn out Obama had a dinner for four star familes..where kelly was invited to sit at his table next to michelle and him


Listen he doesnt even have to applogizes..just acknowledge reality sometimes

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ICT / Re: Lorraine Broughton (Atomic Blonde) vs Evelyn Salt (Salt)
« on: October 15, 2017, 11:58:40 PM »
but lorraine has some pretty good damage soak

And pretty brutal

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 15, 2017, 08:37:47 PM »
I see Herochat’s sense of humor is as keen as ever.

Rock, things like the $15 minimum wage seem like they are hurting the people it is supposed to help. Is that progressive?

I think America should adopt a point-based immigration system similar to Canada’s. That isn’t considered progressive.

More later, I’m on my phone.


Where has 15 minum wage hurt.  To answer your quesiton at least raising minum wage is progressive. The level it at now not a living wage. And the areas the raised it worked out.  It not nighmare of 20 dollar hamburgers or buisnesses leaving town


as for a point system woudnt mind that. But Dreamers...those guys should stay

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 15, 2017, 02:45:31 PM »
It’s branding, but no moreso than conservatism. I’m for progress, which is an understandably nebulous term, but find many “progressive” policies are detrimental to society. One might even call them regressive.

Which policies

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:00:51 PM »
My question still stands, though. What defines a progressive?

for stuff

minium wage
medicare

a pinch of sociolism

leans left on sociol issues

basicly they seek change of some system. to improve. to have progression of where we are now. hench progressive

now there disagrements of what that progression should be.  some want it fastet then most. othet have difference to put the priority

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 15, 2017, 12:19:46 PM »
I’m not sure how I would define a progressive anymore anyway.

This was printing in one of the UK’s “progressive” papers:

“How the teachings of Islam could help us prevent more sexual abuse scandals”

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/harvey-weinstein-islam-sexual-assault-rape-womens-rights-a8001521.html?amp

Are progressive now pro-patriarchal religion? :D


Well that uk...and clearly dumb

But you can find dumb shit in any group you scour the internet. Or just go to college and talk to college kids. But outside of college, those college groups have very little power. But people focuse on them because there the most annoying and an easy real life strawman to say "SEE THIS IS WHAT THE LEFT IS!!!"

because College age kids can be horrible. I know I was one



That said the middle is dead.  It just dead. Moderate became a bad word just like Hipster, and SJW. Never in this election have I been called Racist or a sale against minorites, and SJW who hates whites and trying to start a race for saying basicly the same shit


For instance


When it comes to minium wage.  I am for it...but not for 15 everywhere. Depends on the area. Sometimes that MORE then 15 sometimes that less.  Because its a living wage. That mean you cover your bills, and can get some entetiament..go to a beach sometime. 


When it comes to immigration I am for Dacca, a pathway to citenship. I am not going to send some kids who only know this country for the most part to a place where they dont speak the lanaguage. And think immigrants add to this country.  And are being scapegoated for an enconomy that slowly moving past some unskilled labor jobs due to tecnelogy. But also for boarder security


Those used to be LIBERAL positiotns. Hell fall left even


Now the first one is neo liberal

And the other consider Racist...but also somehow anti rural white...and make people think you WANT mexicans to rape someone daughter


Like I dont get the Warren a Fake progressive talk. if she not progressive enough..you VASTLY limited your tent..and who can run for mayors, senate, congressmena, governors, on your platform

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 15, 2017, 12:06:54 PM »
Lets not forget the media decides who they want to report on, or give airtime to.

Sanders couldn't get that and when he did, he had niggers like Joy Reid or clinton whores like Chris Matthews shit talking him the entire time.

Hell basically all of MSNBC and CNN bashed the guy at every turn rather than actually cover him in the same vein they did with Trump or Clinton.

Hard to get your message out to stupid people when you can't even get on TV in a positive light.

Bernie Got some of the most postive news coverage

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/harvard-study-shows-trump-sanders-got-a-heap-o-positive-news-coverage/





Yes you've repeated this line before.  And I've countered it before.  But memory isn't your strong suit.

The main form of media, television, was specifically either lacking in Sanders coverage, or just bashed him as they did at every opportunity on MSNBC and CNN.

Yes, Sanders had positive coverage on the internet and in written form, but retards don't read.  They watch TV.

Most studies basicly use mostly main media. Even amount the big networks he got more positive coverage. Most of hillary coverage focused on scandals during that time. Sure she not blameless why. But the idea she got this glowing coverage all the way trhough and Bernie only got bash is not true.  There were plenty pro Bernie guys, the guy on the last word was a Bernie guy. Which is msnbc most popular show.

Now if you talking about youtube facebook and shit..that was nearly a 100 percent anti hilllary during the primary. You couldnt find a postive Hillary clip on youtube for the most part


Either way, Hillary gone the question is which is better


Giving up and not reacing out to groups you NEED for the primary


or doing to leg work to reach out as you would any other group. Basic politician shit


There was only one African American girl that stood up to Hillary and that was after the primaries.  During the primaries, there were a lot of people going after Bernie while no one touched Hillary.


That simply not true. Bernie had his share of black surrogate, just not as much as Hillary. And Hillary got attakc by the similar people


And as I said their were multiple article comparing Hillary voters to uncle toms or house slave. Their were multiple writers bringing up the crime bill

If you talking about cable news, then neither really got attack that much on race level. But again saw clips of BLM coming to BOTH their rallies protesting. The incident where one confronted Hillary at the fund raiser was early in the primary run

To me the question is again..what do you do now?

Do you say "FUCK IT" and give up on getting black voters and try to win with just whites in a democratic primary  (because blacks isn't the only minority group that Bernie lost)  or do you  try to reach out more. Go to thier places and explain your history of working with them

Because you simply cant get the nom with losing about 76 percent of the black vote. You just CANT

unless you win the white vote by a MASSIVE amount. And if it against Biden...thats not happening. This is not be bashing Bernie. This me wanting him to win. Even his own campaing manager said they made mistakes by not doing ground works in certain state early. This not msnbc saying this shit

Me I am ok with a Biden or Kamilla Win

maybe your not. Then this idea of reaching out not bad.  Did he get screwed maybe. But got to ask yourself self was there ANY mistakes on his part. Was there ANY way he could of ran a better campaign. if so the smart thing is to look at what work and what didnt

otherwise we be here agian in 2020

with people...duh why black so dumb...damm nigger lip Joy Reid

or people writing BIDEN DOT MORE DOES THO

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It happened in two different places Bernie was speaking and they mostly came after him.  Also, there was the #BernieSoWhite thing around the same time.  They were even calling his Civil Rights Movement actions into question.

I remember them coming after Hillary too. It was at a few fundraisers. Same people in fact.  Although it was never proven those set of people were BLM. I remember article comparing black hillary voters to uncle toms or house slaves. But the articles may of used less pc terms, BLm go after multiple people

only time I seen the civial rights  called into question..is the part where they said he was in a cival rights picture and might of bene not


So they just some...SOME member of those groups who just will swing at everyone but dont think it makes up most of them. BLM a big a varied group that anyone can claim to be part of.

It not like anyone voted for those two raven Simone look a like to be the voice of BLM

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 14, 2017, 10:22:13 PM »
Lets not forget the media decides who they want to report on, or give airtime to.

Sanders couldn't get that and when he did, he had niggers like Joy Reid or clinton whores like Chris Matthews shit talking him the entire time.

Hell basically all of MSNBC and CNN bashed the guy at every turn rather than actually cover him in the same vein they did with Trump or Clinton.

Hard to get your message out to stupid people when you can't even get on TV in a positive light.

Bernie Got some of the most postive news coverage

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/harvard-study-shows-trump-sanders-got-a-heap-o-positive-news-coverage/

Granted Trump and Hilalry got more...but it was mostly coverage on Emails...bengazi and shit




This not to say Hillary didnt run a shitty campaign.  But even Bernie campaign manager admited they didnt think they could win till to late. An thus didnt take the neccerary steps to win..till Hillary was to far ahead

This is not bashing him..this is simily avoiding mistakes

Now it clear he can win..why not take the steps by putting your people in places where you can advance the vote. This shouldnt be an out there. If it doesnt work..it doesnt work. But it couldnt hurt. To beat Trump..you first got to win the primary in order to run agaisnt Trump.

So the question is do you need the black, or hispnaic vote

if the answer is YES...then the next question is how to get them

Do  need the women voted...if the answer is yes...then the next is how you get them

Call it pandering...but you got to get them

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It doesn't help that, for a little while there, Bernie was getting swift-boated by BLM or at least claiming to be from BLM.

Wasnt that just 2 chicks for the most part

and werent they coming after everyone

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Current TV Shows / Re: The Good Place: Hopefully Won't Be Bad
« on: October 14, 2017, 06:45:03 PM »
love michael midlife crisis

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 14, 2017, 06:42:34 PM »
He might have had personality but he certainly did not have charisma.

Well he does know how to work a crowd. It just a very specific crowd.

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Debate / Re: How should progressive run in the next primary
« on: October 14, 2017, 11:52:14 AM »


Asssuming voters are dumb

Do we really need to assume?  We know this.  We've been discussing dumb voters in here for a while now.

and saying  "Fuck it" is a losing stragedy.  Even when your talking about the back

The blacks will always vote dem overwhelmingly.  So in the end it won't matter so long as a good, non Hillary or Hillary-lite democrat is running.



I think a lot of trump voters are dumb...but I will still reach out to those the tiki torch waving dumb dumbs if I was running...

IF you were running, I'd assassinate you myself.  And reaching out to those idiots is a waste of time.  They aren't going to change their minds.  Some people aren't capable of doing so.

and maybe something will get through. It interacting with people, hands on. That always been a part of polticis. Making the rounds and the emotianla part of a the Job. Getting familary with people, showing you care.  It builds up a familarity. This way they can ask question, and you can answer them back /quote]

Ok?


They may vote for the dems most of the time but if it dem vs dem..you got to do some extra work

and they might not always come out in great numbers

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