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ICT / Re: Dr. Fate VS Superman
« on: September 25, 2018, 10:03:17 AM »
Superman isnt more powerful. The way Fate collected energy from Darksied, Orion, Etrigan, and High father, manipualted or, added it to his own might, and pushed back the multiveral ALE, is beyond anything Superman could ever dream to do.
The supperfaggotry is retarded. These same folks would say Superman is more powerful than  Gaurdian or Thanos...

Cosmic Odysssy is a specific version of Fate. There are several versions that would have no hope of coming anywhere near the level of that feat.

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ICT / Re: Dr. Fate VS Superman
« on: September 25, 2018, 05:30:53 AM »
Fate is also different from Doctor Strange as there are so many incarnations and so many takes on each incarnation that it's hard to really rate him.
There was a time when Kent Nelson Fate was said to be every bit Nabu's equal once he had on the helmet. At other times Nabu is said to be superior to Doctor Fate who is just channeling some of his power. Or sometimes Fate has access to all the power, but lacks the expertise (and in magic the distinction between skill and power is very fuzzy). Then at other times Fate was superior to Nabu--Hector at his peak.


I would never say Kent was superior or equal to Nabu. Nor has he ever had either "All Nabu's power" or been limited to it.

When Kent was Fate the moment he donned the Helm he was no longer Kent. The helm and the entity of Dr Fate (which was a merger of all who had worn it even though we only know of Nabu b4 Kent) always took over. He literally never even had recollection of what he did as Fate when not wearing the helm.

He was always able to call on the power of any Lord of Order through the Helm and the cloak of destiny. He discovered in the 70's that the amulet of Anubis (worn around his neck) also gave him access to the lords of Chaos (as Nabu took it from the servant of his enemy). Still he could never use all of the power of these lords due to his mortal limits (spectre told hin in All Star Squadron that his mortal form was a limitation to the lord of order within. Phantom stranger also told him and others there are limits to the amount of magic a mortal can wield without tearing themselves apart and that was why most used talismans or familiars to funnel power thru)

There were of course the decades when he was without the helm and the entity within (with all its centuries of experience) when he was himslef only a super brick like superman with the training in magic Nabu gave him. From That time Superman would be his superior.

Hector like wise was given the spells by Nabu or controlled (usually unlike kent the former).

Eric and linda didnt have nabu in the mix at all because they merged to become fate (apparently the way it had always been intended. Nabu blocked Kent and Inza from learning this so he could retain control) this version is also below Supes.

Kent V (the original Kent's grand nephew) started out as a neophyte bumbling his way along then learned the helm had the knowledge he needed he simply had to be open to it (without being controlled). He would have started out below Supes ended up marginally above.

For me Fate is always either Kent or Hector and both are above

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ICT / Re: Dr. Fate VS Superman
« on: September 24, 2018, 10:49:08 AM »
Fate

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ICT / Re: Dr. Fate/Firestorm/Hal Jordan vs 3 Heralds
« on: September 23, 2018, 06:10:41 PM »
Which version of Fate? Makes a big difference.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 23, 2018, 06:09:03 PM »
DD has a win for Ko over Cap, it could be said this was also due to the fact DD could "read" enemy movements and anticipate them.
There's to say DD wasnt at his best here.




They're fighting in the dark--Daredevil cut off the lights in the mansion before those pages, which is why Beast and Cap couldn't identify who they were tussling with even while directly engaging him, and partly why they were overwhelmed. It's not like anyone should use those examples to prove DD is an Avengers wrecking threat.

OTOH, unlike abhi's usual ridiculous examples, that's actually one fair citation of Cap getting KO'ed (or at least dazed) by a human street leveler, so fair play.
The fight I was referring to wasn't even in the mansion it was outside so no lights could be turned off. DD was protecting a criminal that the Avengers was sent to bring to Justice DD was protecting his rights. Herc wasn't even a part of the story Ironman and giant man were. Like here DD deflected caps shield to knock out Iron Man's jet boot t which sent him flying into giant man (as I recall it) massively p i s

Never once did I say it made DD a team buster I simply said it does happen. Any time a street leveler takes down a team like that its usually heavily plot driven (like Slade - except maybe vs the young Titans when he debuted)

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 21, 2018, 08:21:42 AM »
He rarely loses, sure...but at the same time, despite having veen claimed to be one of the most skilled fighters out there and at the same time having superior stats, he has basically defeated no one.
By "no one" I mean elite MA.


That's fair up to an extent, especially depending on how you define elite, but keep in mind the same applies to a lot of Marvel A-listers (e.g. What are Shang Chi's elite MA victories again?).
Well DD has had a couple wins vs cap (plus a couple losses couple stalemates), couple wins vs BP, couple vs IF and a couple vs Logan (plis a couple vs the xmen and 1 vs an Avengers line up with a LOT of plot help). So it happens.


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Even without straight wins against the creme de la creme (which I think happens to be more hero heavy in the MU vs DCU, and that affects outcomes), he's usually shown as superior in some way whether or not the fight ends up interrupted, they stop fighting because of his status as the most inspiring and respected hero on the planet, etc.

Taking your argument at face value, I don't think it'd be fair to say Slade could manage more than 50/50--you could argue that Cap's actual win ratio wouldn't guarantee him a majority over Slade, but Cap's infinitessimal loss % is definitely  a strong barrier vice versa.
thats why I called it a split. 50/50

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ICT / Re: Where does Spider-Man sit nowadays?
« on: September 21, 2018, 04:00:40 AM »
Usually on a gargoyle, high above the city, looking out for crime and bemoaning that Parker Luck.

Of course someone beat me to it

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ICT / Re: Build your perfect armor
« on: September 16, 2018, 06:47:19 PM »
You'll be allowed to use up to 10 armor, weapons, or devices to create your perfect armor.
You can incorporate those weapons in any way you choose.
Start with one armor you will build your base from, and that will count as one.
If a weapon has multiple uses you have to choose just one of those abilities

Stolen from here, to give you guys examples:
http://thecomicsledger.proboards.com/thread/4377/build-perfect-armor

Thought this looked familiar.

And I'll be damned if I wasnt about to post ALMOST the exact same build I did in my own thread on ledger.

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ICT / Re: Maxima vs Magneto
« on: September 13, 2018, 07:07:29 PM »
Maxima should easily. Her ferokinesis matches Mags magnetics add in her strength speed, durability, TK etc and I'm not seeing many options fir Mags that will hold up

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ICT / Re: Bruce Wayne vs Richard Dragon
« on: September 12, 2018, 05:05:46 PM »
Without his gadgets Richard takes the win imho

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ICT / Re: movie Killer Croc vs movie Bane
« on: September 08, 2018, 04:42:52 AM »
Yeah KC

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ICT / Re: Arrow/Flash/Legends vs Justice League (movie)
« on: September 07, 2018, 07:11:54 PM »
Hahahaha this is riotous. Now beating a parademon is some huge feat. A parademon that couldnt even break outnof Batman's net and a few harpoons in the opening sequence.

We're supposed to take the fact that Steppy tanks a blast that Cyborg and Supes were knocked over by as though its a physical blow (because lets face it aquaman doesnt have blasts) yet in a physical fight Steppenwolf rips off Cyborgs arm clearly showing how unequal the two are.

Any excuse to have JLA win as the day requires huh

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ICT / Re: Mr. Fantastic VS Ghost Rider
« on: September 07, 2018, 11:01:33 AM »
^^^I’m pretty, AP’s a bit much! :D
this gave me a chuckle

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ICT / Re: Mr Terrific vs Black Panther
« on: September 07, 2018, 10:54:20 AM »
Except for the one you're currently floundering on

Should read a few more threads here man. This is one of the 4 that I was referring to. The ones i dont see it on are CBR and comicbloc

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ICT / Re: Arrow/Flash/Legends vs Justice League (movie)
« on: September 07, 2018, 10:50:06 AM »
My point is clear as day and is the same point Almighty Tallest and beatboks made.

THE MOVIE IS NOT OUT YET SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON!

My God, are you competing against gokenadams for stupidest person on the board?
Fuck the movie is not out yet. Justice league is out. And Steppy took a harder hit and was unmoved. And yet he was knocked around by AM. Which means Arthue clearly will knock the shit out if Steel.

Way to compare oranges and grapes. Its not a contest between gokenadams and you, youbslaughter stomped in the stupidity dept.

1. No strength or durability feat of Aquamans in JL is in any way quantifiable.

2. Durability to energy attacks =/= blunt force durability.

3. 4 ordinary amazons were able to hold Steppy back from the Mother box. Clearly he aint that strong and comparing Arthur to Steppy comes up short against the dwarf star train feat by orders of magnitude.

4. Theres only one thing in CW that has been shown to penetrate Steel and that is a bullet made from dwarf star material.  He's no sold everything else.

Until we see an actual quantifiable strength feat for Arthur  (which the sub feat from trailer isnt as it could be quatified as a fraction of Steels or marginally above), there is nothing that even puts him on Steel's level in strength or durability. Until we see something to show the penetration capacity of the trident (to know if it matches nu52) he has NO means of even damaging Nate significantly.

DCEU Flash gets stomped in a hearbeat by CW

Arthut looses to Steel MAYBE he puts up a fight but doubtful.

That leaves cyborg, Supes, WW and Bats to handle SG, Ray, Vixen, Ari, Killer Frost, Vibe, Atom, heat wave Capt cold, terrific, black canary, white canary, SGs sister and wild dog, with Flash and Nate joining soon. All under the direction of felicity, Iris and Wells.

Vibe BFRs two of the three leaving Superman to face the team.  BC disorients him with a scream so Arrow puts a Knite arrow or two into him. While weakened the rest of the metas and SG finish him before Dianna can return (she will be first) while the non metas take out Bats. Dianna returns and will also be beaten by superior numbers and greater power (SG).

Then cyborg is f#$ed
This2 was dumb

The energy attack of Zeus was being compared also using the fact that he effortlessly blew apart the trinity. While the strain on Cyborg and Superman Nearly killed them. Zeus Bolt only knocked Steppy Back.

His durability>>>>>Steel. Arthur had no problem knocking him around.

Amazons were able to Hold up 20 ton pillars for a time. Just two of them. Id imagine 10 or 20 of them holding one arm of Steppy for 3 seconds isnt a bad showing.
ROFLMAO.
Everything you say gets more and more nonsensicle. You just dismantled your own argument.[/i]

If only it was 10 or 20 amazons and not 4 or 5  (as it was) who kept steppy from what he most wanted when he first crashed into the room they kept the MB while other Amazons escaped with it.

 If to was 10 or 20 that places him below 200 tons for 10 and 400 tons for 20 (because it was only 4 or 5 hes obviously he's really only barely 100 tonner).

Since Steel's best actually quantifiable feat (something Steppy and Aq both lack) is squarely between 900 and over 1000 tons this means IF it was 20 amazons (which it wasnt) steppy is at best 0.444 the strength of Steel. If it was 10 he's only 0.222 his strength. The reality of course is hes actually only 0.111 and Arthur looses to him in a solo fight. Hell he looses to him when he teams up with WW.

Maybe I've overestimated the JLA. You know what you just convinced me now thatbsteel solos Aq and WW. I dont know why I didnt see that before.

I'll ignore the Zeus BS because as I've alredy said enegy durability is nothing to guage blunt force durability by. Hawkman can tank energy blasts like nothing because nth metal loves and absorbs energy (its why he never gets burned or frozen in spave without a space suit). He gets belted by mid metas all day long though.

Really if you want to get into a battle of wits you should consider least trying to arm yourself. At least gokenadams steals the ideas of other posters feom other forums. Its really. Not challenging debating you when you undermine your own points

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