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ICT / Re: Movie Iron Man vs movie Loki
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:45:12 PM »
If Tony has his nano-tech suits, he wins.  He was a beast with that thing.

Definitely. Maybe mk.3 armor Iron Man loses.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: General Star Wars movies thread
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:39:42 PM »
I've got a question for you guys, and it's entirely subjective so I'm just looking to see people's preferences.  This will be the fifth project Disney does that largely eschews the force and lightsabers (Rogue One, Solo, Resistance cartoon, The Mandalorian live action TV series, and now Cassian Andor's).  Do you want/like that?

I know there was a push from certain entertainment sites years ago to do projects without Jedi/Sith style trappings, and I agreed with the idea at the time.  I kind of feel like we're going too far down that path now, though.  Thoughts?

I don't mind at all. Some of my favorite books in the old EU had very little to do with the Force (The Lando Calrissian Adventures, The Han Solo Trilogy), but I'm not sure if that's a good choice for a visual medium.

This sentiment is why I was initially okay with it. I think my question at this point is more of a “is this too much” rather than “should it ever happen.”  I personally think that yes, we should have some, but 3 tv series and multiple movies without Star War’s signature element is pushing it.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: General Star Wars movies thread
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:35:06 PM »
It's a good way to expand the franchise.  The drawback is that, in live action, Star Wars often looks like your typical sci-fi show/movie unless we see some lightsabers.

Yeah, that’s kinda my feeling, that the force/lightsabers are what set Star Wars apart from other (often much better) sci fi.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: General Star Wars movies thread
« on: November 09, 2018, 08:34:12 PM »
I've got a question for you guys, and it's entirely subjective so I'm just looking to see people's preferences.  This will be the fifth project Disney does that largely eschews the force and lightsabers (Rogue One, Solo, Resistance cartoon, The Mandalorian live action TV series, and now Cassian Andor's).  Do you want/like that?

I know there was a push from certain entertainment sites years ago to do projects without Jedi/Sith style trappings, and I agreed with the idea at the time.  I kind of feel like we're going too far down that path now, though.  Thoughts?

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ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 06:55:25 PM »
You're a paranoid wreck.  It's not a debate thread, despite your frequent attempts to make it so, and as such I wasn't looking to prove anything.  There was discussion of Loki's plan, so I provided the scan. 

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ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 06:21:17 PM »
yes we've seen that... and?

It's an interesting scan from this week's new comics that has not been posted in this thread, and was relevant to the discussion being had.  If it puts whatever you're babbling about with Abhi in a bad light, that's your problem.

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ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 04:23:55 PM »
The "Infinity Circuit" as described by Loki (echoing the info page at the beginning of every issue):




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General Comic Discussion / Re: Weirdest retcons?
« on: November 05, 2018, 10:21:26 PM »
[PAD writes]It did, however, frost the flakes of several writers and the "X-Factor" editor, basically because Byrne's story made the Inhumans look like assholes.

I can’t really speak to whether this particular instance was reasonable or not, but in general I think this kind of basic editorial oversight regarding character/franchise integrity is a positive thing that modern Marvel completely lacks.  Looser continuity can definitely be a good thing for crafting creative stories, but the current ‘everything and anything goes” is problematic as well.

What do the rest of you think? 

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Death and the MCU
« on: November 03, 2018, 01:10:38 AM »
What do you think the majority response from people would be if they resurrect all the dusted heroes, rebuild Vision, extract Gamora from the soul gem and nobody important dies defeating Thanos?  Basically an otherwise quality film where nobody dies.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Death and the MCU
« on: October 26, 2018, 01:17:12 AM »
A lot of articles and fan comments written about the upcoming Avengers movie seem certain that some major characters are going to die.  I'm curious what the board's thoughts are about the following

1.  Is there any major character you feel absolutely needs to die?

2.  Is there anyone whose death would ruin the movie for you?

3.  In general, when actors contracts are up and/or the character's solo movies and arc are finished, should the character be killed off?

   

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Current TV Shows / Re: Daredevil 3 Episodes 10-13
« on: October 22, 2018, 11:08:00 AM »
You're only picking one of the many arguments used.

"Saying things like..."

Yes I did pick one of the arguments used, I never said that's all they did.  It was an example of the  less than thorough manner in which they explored one of the angles you mentioned (religion).  The rest of those angles explored were similarly limited and one-sided towards hokey comic book morality and involved deeply naive viewpoints about how this tv world has been shown to work.


But that's my point--none of the other arguments the show made that I mentioned have anything to do with hokey comic book morality, "comic code-esque" declarations. Some of them were even practical reasons that ignored what you call naivete.

You're overselling the laughable and one-sided discussions on this issue so much, but fine it worked for you.

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In the real world, mob organizations have...

In the Daredevil world, Wilson Fisk is an absurdly all-knowing genius who is five steps ahead of everyone around him and has shown his aptitude to escape first state level and now federal level entities and laws.  A different crime boss taking his place would be infinitely less dangerous and effective.

The show doesn't even try to sell you on the idea that the justice system can deal with him.  "No prison can hold me", it is in fact the "prison" of his love for Vanessa that is supposed to keep Kingpin in check, a tenuous thread for Daredevil to hang the safety of everyone he knows and loves along with the rest of the city.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Daredevil 3 Episodes 10-13
« on: October 22, 2018, 03:59:35 AM »
You're only picking one of the many arguments used.

"Saying things like..."

Yes I did pick one of the arguments used, I never said that's all they did.  It was an example of the  less than thorough manner in which they explored one of the angles you mentioned (religion).  The rest of those angles explored were similarly limited and one-sided towards hokey comic book morality and involved deeply naive viewpoints about how this tv world has been shown to work.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Daredevil 3 Episodes 10-13
« on: October 22, 2018, 12:13:48 AM »
Eh, I think you're oversimplifying the way the show handled the issue a bit, Kallor.

It's not like the writers stuck to shallow Silver Age moralizing without exploring the pros and cons. This season (and the previous ones) pretty thoroughly explored the ethics and consequences of killing someone like the Kingpin from every angle, including religious, psychological, and even practical grounds.

I really can't agree with the "thoroughly" part at all.  They paid lip service to it, but that's not the same thing.  Saying things like Matt doesn't kill because he's catholic and believes in second chances is not a good faith examination of how to deal with someone like Fisk.

I don't want to drag the show, honest, it's obvious we all liked it a lot, but this particular aspect with DD's malleable morality and willingness to facilitate, instigate, and/or allow deadly acts except when it comes to the person ultimately responsible for all the evil is shallow and stupid.  Not the show as a whole, this bit of it.

He's not moral for refusing to kill (and even going out of his way to save) Kingpin, a man responsible for endless deaths including children and with a proven penchant for escaping all legal consequences.  In all likelihood he's signed Karen or Foggy's death warrant along with a lot of other innocent people.  I'd have a lot less of a problem if the show was a lighter adaptation of the comic, but it's not.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Daredevil 3 Episodes 10-13
« on: October 21, 2018, 06:38:25 PM »
I'm sure it bothered me then, too.  It's a good show, but the (selective) no-kill morality, where DD can do things like facilitate Ray shooting and killing Fisk's goons yet not take out the untouchable boss who owns everything and has proven repeatedly that no prison can hold him is dumb.

I'm not even saying DD should be written to kill him, but the silly comic code-esque way the show frames the issue is out of place in this kind of dark gritty show and makes the characters look stupid.

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Current TV Shows / Re: Daredevil 3 Episodes 10-13
« on: October 21, 2018, 01:37:09 AM »
Really didn't expect this show to get bogged down with the childish "no kill" stuff.  That kind of comic staple belongs in lighter adaptations, it feels ridiculously foolish in the world this season created.

That said, it was a good season overall and Daredevil remains the best of the Netflix Marvel shows in my opinion.  It's a shame that we're probably not going to get a season 4 since we're finally in a place where Matt is going to live his life and interact with his friends again.

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