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ICT / Re: Wonder Woman with Thor hammer vs Superman.
« on: April 19, 2018, 04:37:10 AM »
WW has never really been, on the whole, favored against Superman 1v1. And her paths to victory typically involved--often explicitly--some degree of excessive restraint on Superman's part.

So there's room for Diana to get more powerful and still not be favored--it just alters the equation some. Without a stat amp, Mjolnir still isn't enough to make Diana a favorite over the typical writer's portrayal of a truly all-out Superman. But as always, it's hard to know how much restraint would be involved on Superman's part in any particular fight.

And of course the magic weakness always complicates things, though based on Superman's experience vs. WW and Thor, I doubt the magic weakness would be particularly impactful here.

ICT / Re: Wonder Woman with Thor hammer vs Superman.
« on: April 17, 2018, 08:33:10 AM »
Assuming no magic weakness, I'd still give Superman a slight edge in an all-out fight under most writers. But Superman rarely goes all out, especially against Diana.
I think this makes them pretty even under most writers in a typical fight.

ICT / Re: Sentry VS Orion
« on: April 17, 2018, 12:22:11 AM »
Sentry, though Orion might win versus a lower-powered Sentry portrayal where he accesses little of his hidden power.

ICT / Re: Superman vs Flash
« on: April 17, 2018, 12:21:29 AM »
Though writers occasionally delve into in-comics reasons for why characters don't use their powers to their full realistic extent, these explanations are usually superficial and don't really hold much water if you think about them too long. So ultimately, it's best not to try to invent in-comics explanations for why power sets are rarely used realistically. The real answers are almost always outside-comics reasons.

It's obvious that various depictions of the Flash could, in theory, own most Superman portrayals easily. He's either so much faster he'd never get hurt, or he could drain speed, etc... But just as Superman's speed is rarely the decisive factor in his battles with slower bricks, so to is Flash's speed (or speed-related powers) rarely used to get an easy win over someone like Superman. That's just not the pecking order writers want for the heroes, and it would lead to very boring and one-sided fights.

Superman is favored over the Flash heavily under most writers, regardless of what is logical. And yeah, it tends to come down to Superman eventually hitting Flash.

ICT / Re: Superman vs. Hal Jordan
« on: April 08, 2018, 09:29:22 AM »
I've always believed that the nature of power rings makes GL power levels more dynamic than those of most heroes. Other heroes can get an adrenaline rush or the equivalent, and punch above their weight. But with GLs, your power really is your willpower--and that naturally tends to fluctuate.

That said, I haven't heard a writer explicitly subscribe to this, so it remains 'head canon' of sorts. Still, it's an obvious enough dynamic that I bet many writers do subscribe to it, if not entirely consciously.

Nevertheless, that doesn't mean that most writers view any GL--even Hal--as having power levels as dynamic as the Hulk's. There do tend tobe established ranges. most days. And something about the fight with Zod doesn't quite add up for me yet, so I'm waiting on future issues. Maybe Hal did outright beat an amped Zod (who may or may not be 'Superman level', whatever that means). On the other hand, it's possible Zod threw the fight. I'm holding off on a decision.

ICT / Re: Martian Manhunter vs Thor
« on: April 03, 2018, 03:42:23 AM »
MM before Thor's powerup, but Thor after

ICT / Re: Superman vs. Hal Jordan
« on: March 30, 2018, 05:20:46 AM »
Interesting speculation. I guess we'll see. It did certainly seem like the Kryptonians were being treated as being above most GLs individually. So maybe Hal got a win off someone he is not actually favored to beat. Or maybe Hal just is that good. Or maybe this is all part of Zod's plan.

ICT / Re: Super Boy Prime VS Imperiex
« on: March 30, 2018, 04:09:13 AM »
Superboy has little shot without some kind of amp. That said, you can't count him out. SBP was basically created as a semi-cartoon character for the purpose of having him punch out the supposedly unpunchable. I wouldn't be totally surprised to see him KO the Galactus wannabe.

ICT / Superman vs. Hal Jordan
« on: March 30, 2018, 04:07:49 AM »
So Hal just beat an amped Zod fairly convincingly. Would you say Hal is, on the whole, now rated above Superman as the DCU's most powerful mainstream hero?

Or could this just be a "temporary" power-up? Or maybe Hal is just getting stroked in his own book but is not getting treated like the most powerful hero in other books?

ICT / Re: Hulk vs Green Lantern
« on: March 30, 2018, 04:03:39 AM »
Hal has been having some good showings in his own book lately, especially versus an amped Zod. But as to how this affects his overall rating is complicated. For one, this could be a temporary power-up situation of sorts--he may not always stay a being of pure will with a special power ring. Also, being given credit for big wins in your own book is nice, but it's also important to be shown at a certain power level relative to others in team books, other heroes' books, etc. Thus far, Hal isn't showing up in group situations and getting treated as being the Number One Stunna. It may happen, but until it happens regularly, it's hard to credit him as being as powerful (or beyond) as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

ICT / Re: Green Lanterns vs. Kryptonians
« on: March 23, 2018, 11:47:54 AM »
I hadn't read the story before. But he didn't seem trustworthy, so I spent about 5 minutes on Viewcomic. That's all it took to see he was full of shit.

ICT / Re: Sentry VS WOL Morg
« on: March 23, 2018, 10:42:01 AM »
I don't see how they can reintegrate Sentry into the MU unless they limit his top end somehow. He doesn't really work well as a mainstream guy on mainstream teams, etc.

ICT / Re: Marvel vs DC Top Tiers: Justice League vs Annihilators
« on: March 23, 2018, 09:00:50 AM »
I don't see that. And if so, then he'd be above CM as well.

ICT / Re: Sentry VS WOL Morg
« on: March 23, 2018, 08:59:08 AM »
Yeah. Sentry typically operated at a level higher than most elite top tiers, including Morg, but not dramatically higher. But again, he was a guy who could probably have slugged it out with an Infinity Gauntlet if pressed and able to get his shit together. So it's pretty tough to rate his fights.

ICT / Re: Green Lanterns vs. Kryptonians
« on: March 23, 2018, 07:21:25 AM »
I guess you are the new troll here?
'Wog comes in on the last page of issue 29 and suckers Supes, Batman, and Hal. The final panel, for dramatic effect, is what you posted.
But it's not like Superman is totally out and defeated. In the next issues, things progress roughly as I described.

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