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ICT / Re: Tetonic Plates - MCU Captain Marvel moves PLANETS!
« on: Today at 10:34:38 AM »
Think the tits are real?

ICT / Re: Superman vs Graviton
« on: June 20, 2018, 12:10:14 PM »
This is why we don't care about comparing feats in any kind of scientific manner--science is the last thing on most writers' mind when they craft an uber feat. Super fist FTW!

ICT / Re: Wonder Woman and Orion vs. Superman and Supergirl
« on: June 20, 2018, 09:27:30 AM »
Everyone has an extra gear. Superman often has extra gears beyond that--he's often shown as being more dynamic in power than other heroes, including Wonder Woman or Orion. Supergirl, however, does not seem to get the same treatment. Nor Power Girl, etc.

ICT / Re: Wonder Woman and Orion vs. Superman and Supergirl
« on: June 20, 2018, 07:21:29 AM »
Diana or Orion make quick work of Supergirl. Superman will almost lose then unleash his powah and beat them both.

Weird how other Daxamites/Kryptonians, including Supergirl, don't seem to have this extra gear or two. Never could figure out why.

ICT / Wonder Woman and Orion vs. Superman and Supergirl
« on: June 19, 2018, 09:45:50 AM »
Current versions and typical gear, though WW has her shield and sword, too.

This is an 'end of the universe' battle where somehow these two teams have ended up on opposite sides, each believing they are right. Wonder Woman and Orion feel the fight is important and unavoidable enough that they are willing to kill and have gone into total warrior mode. It's submit or die.

Superman and Supergirl can see how serious WW and Orion are, and see no way out other than winning the fight.

How does this go?

ICT / Re: Blue Marvel and Monica vs Hal Jordan and Superman
« on: June 19, 2018, 09:29:56 AM »
I think Wonder Woman or MM are typically over Hal in a fight, yeah.

ICT / Re: Blue Marvel and Monica vs Hal Jordan and Superman
« on: June 19, 2018, 06:23:48 AM »
Versatility is highly overrated in actual comics. Neither Blue Marvel's energy manipulation nor Superman's speed advantage is likely to be decisive--and that would be true even if BM didn't have any super speed of his own. Comics are just like that. So it's mostly a question of power and skill, with comics typically rewarding skill less for powerful characters than for lower level ones. You rarely see hth skill letting the less powerful top tier brick beat the more powerful one. It happens, but not that often. Wonder Woman is one of the few powerhouses who really get credited for their skill. Orion almost never does. Doesn't matter much for Thor. Etc. Lip service is paid, but it rarely seems to change things much.

I think Superman has more raw power than BM. You clearly disagree.

As for Hal, it really is hard to rate him right now. He had his fight with Zod, which may have been thrown. And he's definitely been doing well in the GL books. But heroes often get pushed or even explicitly powered-up in their own books, and it doesn't really stick or catch on. In the end, the real measure of improved standing is in team books, big events, and in the pages of other heroes' books.

So until Hal starts consistently being presented as more powerful than he was before in the abovementioned types of instances, I still rate him where he was in the New 52, but more experienced. Basically, he's a notch below DC's ultra-heavyweight flying bricks in terms of combat formidibility. Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Black Adam, etc. would all be favored over him and all other GLs 1v1, to varying degrees.

I think that is basically the level Monica operates on now over at Marvel. She's a level below Gladiator, Thor, The Silver Surfer, Blue Marvel, the Hulk, etc.

So I think it's a pretty even fight on a normal day. But I think that Superman is stronger than Blue Marvel on the day-to-day, and has the proven potential of being much stronger on a good day. Under most writers, Superman's power is more dynamic than that of most heroes, though the degree of variability and the mechanism underlying the dynamism vary.

As their power depends on their willpower at the current moment, I believe GLs have naturally dynamic power, though this hasn't really been explicitly laid out to my knowledge. Still, I think the comics bear this out. They are naturally more variable in power than most characters. Nevertheless, I still don't think that even Hal Jordan is typically in what is often called the 'Elite Top Tier' level in raw power. He's in Monica's tier, though I'd still give him the edge in power and skill given how much more experienced and savvy he's become since his cocky New 52 beginnings.

ICT / Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« on: June 19, 2018, 06:05:29 AM »
Yeah. Yeah. In theory.

But in practice, the original Crisis is a serious dividing line. Flashpoint and Rebirth perhaps less so. No one is really going to be using pre-Crisis showings to argue on ICT, and for pretty good reason.

At any rate, assuming an experienced Fate portrayal, these guys are all on the same level, and are all pretty close to 50/50 against one another; so any pairing is pretty much 50 / 50 vs the other IMO (as power-set matchups and synergies aren't typically that big a deal in comic fights or hierarchies).

That said, as a mage, Fate tends to be the most variable with respect to his power level. Fate's specific comics support this comic-wide trend. So any team with Fate on it could be seriously favored when everyone is at their best, but the underdog when everyone is at their worst.

Fate having a degree of intrinsic invulnerability helps limit his low-end, somewhat, of course.

ICT / Re: Tetonic Plates - MCU Captain Marvel moves PLANETS!
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:11:30 AM »
No. It's when I realized that a hierarchy created by comparing top feats might well contradict the more stable and established relative rankings in a company.

That and the fact that the feats themselves were all over the map.

ICT / Re: Blue Marvel and Monica vs Hal Jordan and Superman
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:42:41 AM »
Tough to call. Hal has been getting a push lately in his own books, but it's hard to say where he really stands overall.

But I lean towards the DC duo here. I think that when push comes to shove, Superman can overpower Adam. And I'd rate a high-end GL over Monica, though it's close. Hal is THE high end GL, and even without the recent push and self-forged ring thing, I'd still lean Hal over Monica.

ICT / Re: Dr. Fate and Black Adam vs Thor and Silver Surfer
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:40:28 AM »
Which Fate? When? The idea of fully healthy, in his prime, Kent Nelson as being the quintessential and most powerful Fate is problematic in that there really aren't many Post-Crisis showings for that version of Fate.

ICT / Re: Tetonic Plates - MCU Captain Marvel moves PLANETS!
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:39:15 AM »
Agree to disagree. I think I went through my feats phase back before 2003. I haven't given a shit about feats for ages. As to whether I'm a typical Superman fan, that's more subjective; I'll leave that to others to decide.

ICT / Re: Power Picks
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:30:04 AM »
Hmm...does Deadpool regen mean you get the scarring?

ICT / Re: Power Picks
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:42:23 PM »
Immortality. Always immortality.

ICT / Re: Tetonic Plates - MCU Captain Marvel moves PLANETS!
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:40:36 PM »
I think I've been fairly consistent in not giving a shit about feats for any character. I'm not the typical Superman fan.

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