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ICT / Re: Annihilus vs Hal Jordan
« on: August 16, 2018, 10:52:26 AM »
I'm of the opinion that GL power levels have the intrinsic potential to be very dynamic because they are based on Will. That said, most GLs don't typically exhibit max willpower, and thus max power levels, that are all that dynamic as compared to the power levels of other heroes. But the potential seems to be there.

That said, these days, Hal seems to be showing a lot of dynamism. He's probably not favored typically over Annihilus from the Annihilation wave, but he definitely could win. Some days he just gets really ornery and the willpower spikes, and the rest you know...

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Debate / Re: Is the USA Different? Why do Americans need guns?
« on: August 12, 2018, 04:57:33 PM »
Obviously, the number of shootings and killings would go down. People would still be getting killed, and there'd still be massive social problems, but the most efficient weapons would not be as easily available.

While obviously highly speculative, this is really the critical question in terms of gaming out whether increased gun control would be worthwhile, and thus requires further elucidation, in my opinion. Would gun violence decline as much as it would in European countries? Would criminal gun violence stay at a similar rate, and just self-defense shootings drop, etc.?

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Debate / Re: Is the USA Different? Why do Americans need guns?
« on: August 12, 2018, 09:45:26 AM »
Clearly culture can matter, which is not to say I'm 100% certain how different the USA is from Europe. But look at Switzerland. Easier access to guns than the USA, but way less gun crime.
I'm with lurker in that I think this is a multi-factor issue. I have a hunch that ethnic and cultural diversity has something to do with it. Homogeneous countries tend to have more social trust and less crime than those that are less so, which is not to say diversity doesn't have advantages.
Lurker, if say a Constitutional amendment were passed somehow, and guns became as illegal as in the most restrictive European countries, combined with a super-well-funded and aggressive gun buyback program, what effect do you think this would have on gun crime in the USA?

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Debate / Re: Is the USA Different? Why do Americans need guns?
« on: August 11, 2018, 02:01:21 PM »
I think it's fair to simply ignore recreational and sport gun use. That's a luxury, and if we needed to sacrifice their hobbies for the safety of other citizens, so be it. Get another hobby. I wouldn't cry.

The need for guns in the wilder parts of the US to protect against animals needs to be considered, but also must be put into a proper statistical context. We'd have to look at just how prevalent that need is. Also, perhaps rifles--and not automatic ones--rather than concealable handguns would suffice.

What really matters is whether there really is something unique or inherent to the USA that makes it more necessary for citizens to have access to concealed handguns and even automatic weapons. Maybe there is. I just don't know.

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Debate / Is the USA Different? Why do Americans need guns?
« on: August 11, 2018, 12:56:47 PM »
For a long time I always felt that the USA should treat guns the way other countries do, and if they did, then gun violence would decline the same way. Sure, it's true that most gun deaths are the result of illegal firearm acquisitions. However, statistically, it always seemed obvious that if you reduce the total access to legal firearms, including buying back guns from the street like Australia did, then eventually even illegal access would become harder and gun deaths would decline.

However, over time I've come to question the above view. Not necessarily the logic of it--the tougher you get on legal access, illegal access will also become harder. Nevertheless, I've started to think that perhaps the USA is different than Europe here. Total gun deaths might go down, but perhaps not to the degree that it does in other countries; and law-abiding Americans, without access to self-defense, might actually suffer a lot more fear and intimidation as part of the process.

The USA has significantly less population density than Europe. In Europe, if someone invades your home or threatens you on the street, there are likely to be more people around, and closer. Sometimes in the USA you are on your own. Furthermore, US laws protect the innocent at the cost of making it harder to prosecute the guilty to a greater degree than many other countries. We can argue about whether this tradeoff is worthwhile, but it's part of US cultural DNA. In addition, the USA is more multicultural and multiracial than other countries. This diversity may have benefits, but it has traditionally created more social unrest and violence too. That's human nature. The combination of greater diversity and more difficult prosecutions due to legal protections, along with other factors, results in more street gangs and organized crime than other countries. Finally, there's always been something a bit wilder and more barbaric about the USA. This also has advantages and disadvantages, but may nonetheless result in ordinary citizens feeling more of a need for self-defense.

At any rate, I'm on the fence these days. I haven't reached a conclusion, and these are just some of the thoughts running through my head. I'm curious to hear what yours are.

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ICT / Re: Black Adam and Wonder Woman vs Stardust and Beta Ray Bill
« on: August 11, 2018, 11:29:23 AM »
I'm glad to here all the procedures went well.

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ICT / Re: Black Adam and Wonder Woman vs Stardust and Beta Ray Bill
« on: August 11, 2018, 05:48:02 AM »
Well, at least you don't anymore. Did you get a chance to spend much time on the beach during your sojourn in Thailand?

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ICT / Re: OWAW Superman (unleashed) vs Thanos
« on: August 09, 2018, 02:43:30 PM »
That's a possible explanation, but it wasn't my take on things back when I last read OWAW carefully. But we can agree to disagree since it's not really important enough to warrant downloading and reviewing the whole OWAW arc.

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ICT / Re: 3 on 3: DC vs. Marvel Bruiser Battle
« on: August 09, 2018, 09:33:50 AM »
Damn all these topics lately for reminding me how garbage OWAW was, by the way. We might as well start posting a lot about Onslaught and the Clone Saga while we are at it.

I don't think it was bad at all, really, as major events go. There have been better, for sure. I'm just fucking around because people have no perspective. They get it into their head that if they admit Superman was uber in one arc this somehow means they are admitting something about how powerful he typically is. So they go around trying to rewrite history to fit their narrative.

Even if I fucking hated Superman, and especially hated it when he was shown to be more powerful than my faves, I'd just say: "Yeah. He was ridiculous in OWAW. But it's 2018." And then move on.

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ICT / Re: Black Adam and Wonder Woman vs Stardust and Beta Ray Bill
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:48:55 AM »
We actually agree that it's basically 50/50, with WW providing the edge, though I think it's mostly her skills and a slight strength advantage, not so much the lasso. I think versatility is overrated by battle boarders when it comes to fights, though. BA and Bill are roughly the same strength, which is basically why they are 50/50ish. BA is a bit more durable than BRB, but BRB has a hammer that makes him hit a bit harder. BA has speed, which won't be a major factor, but that counterbalances hammer blasts and tricks, which also won't be a huge factor.

But yeah, nobody be pullin' no punches here, bro. Straight killahs all around. Would be a great fight, though I'd like to see Morg in there instead of SD for even more of the aggro.

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ICT / 3 on 3: DC vs. Marvel Bruiser Battle
« on: August 09, 2018, 01:39:45 AM »


DC

Superman (from OWAW while fully unleashed and busting Probes)
Doomsday (from OWAW while fully unleashed and busting Probes)
Darkseid

vs.

Marvel

Thanos
WWH Hulk
Kurse (Beyonder amped)

No BFR. Assume Teams get along and work together.

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ICT / Re: OWAW Superman (unleashed) vs Thanos
« on: August 09, 2018, 01:27:56 AM »
Actually, there is a way at looking at things that I haven't really explored before: use Doomsday as the metric.

Unleashed Superman could be less powerful or more powerful than Doomsday in OWAW. We can't really know for sure. But what we do know is that Doomsday was able to do the same thing Superman did, so there is no need for Superman to have been more powerful than Doomsday. And despite some mention of Doomsday having a degree of dynamic raw power based on anger and some on-the-fly ability to evolve, Doomsday's overall formidibility is more stable than Superman's was in OWAW.

Naturally, comics often contradict themselves in some ways when it comes to inferring power levels--often even under the same writer. So it's definitely possible I and others have overestimated how much of a power boost Superman received at his peak by just calculating it using the Probes (and perhaps forgetting the Hand Ninja rule': the more you have of something, be it GLs, Kryptonians, or Probes, the less individually powerful they tend to become.

While H&P/Doomsday Wars Doomsday was certainly a beast and more powerful than typical Superman, he did not dwarf the Superman portrayals he went against. So perhaps Superman in OWAW was boosted by less than I thought. Of course, maybe Doomsday was more powerful in OWAW than he was before, as well. Hard to know.

Still, another way of looking at this is Thanos vs. OWAW Doomsday.

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ICT / Re: Black Adam and Wonder Woman vs Stardust and Beta Ray Bill
« on: August 09, 2018, 12:44:13 AM »
I'm not really sure what classic BA means. But if you mean like during the JSA run, then I tend to put him at BRB level. These four are all on the same level, though recently WW might be edging ahead of the other three. But then we have to decide how much of a factor SD's energy form and resistance to being put down by physical power means.

It's close to 50/50, but I lean DC on account of WW's push over the last decade. And I think the DC team could find a way to put down SD once they've overpowered him physically.

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ICT / Re: OWAW Superman (unleashed) vs Thanos
« on: August 09, 2018, 12:40:57 AM »
The other scans aren't really needed because you have stipulated to whatever they show, it's just your reasoning from there that I now question.

Essentially, battalions of B-13 augmented weaponry wore down the Probe to some degree, though did not crack it. Then Black Lightning channeled the nuclear power core of one of those B-13 augmented tanks to crack and explode the Probe. So all three of these elements were contributing to the win to some degree, but we don't really know the the relative degree of contribution from each factor.

Most importantly, it's typically silly to try to gauge character power by the empirical, objective size of their feats. Superman chills out in a fucking Red Sun one day and gets temporarily KOed by a nuke another. Such are comics. Relative comparisons are far more reliable.

Just look at what combinations of characters single or small groups of Probes laid waste too. That's the more important data.

I will say that the main weaknesses of the Probes is that their shells are very hard, but also brittle relative to their invulnerability. And the joints are a bit vulnerable as well. However, you then have to survive the explosion. In addition, they don't tend to be particularly aggressive, being used to basically being unbeatable.

So for example, Thor with his axe or Terrax or Morg might be able to slice one open, especially if there was someone to help distract the Probe. But the explosion would hurt, maybe even disable them. Thor with Mjolnir might be able to Godblast one safely, as the Probe would probably ignore him and let him build up; but Thor would get creamed by two.

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ICT / Re: OWAW Superman (unleashed) vs Thanos
« on: August 08, 2018, 04:07:01 PM »
I don't have the OWAW comics anymore, even in digital format; and I cannot be arsed to find them, download them, and then open up a photobucket account or whatever to post the relevant scans.

I'm fairly sure of my recollection here, but I'm not infallible. If someone else wants to post the scans, great. If not, c'est la vie.

Finally, most of us here don't like to debate like you do anymore. I never really did, and those that did, have mostly outgrown it. There's no need to treat this as a sport or be so aggressive. If that's how you find your fun, great. See how far it takes you. You can be the next Fangirl, Panthergod, or Abhi. Some of us are too old for that shit. Frankly, if you were more of a generous debater who showed good faith and openness to revising your opinion, I'd be more likely to take the trouble to find the scans you are asking for. But you just don't seem worth it.

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