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ICT / Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« on: November 08, 2018, 07:33:46 PM »
"is technically moon level"

you have no idea what your talking about, stop embarassing yourself. prove that laughable claim right now

In the pages of Avengers #688 - No Surrender Part 14 and Avengers #689 - No Surrender Part 15, Hercules recently got a planetary feat, or half a planetary feat He basically has to move a planet (or stopping a planet from rotating which is actually harder than moving a planet) Sunspot helped him, (he "unlocked" his powers or whatever), and eventually Jane jumped in.







So from what it looks like, Hercules is planetary in strength., or at least close (he is if we're talking about a Mars sized planet). Jane is also planetary, considering that she also helped with this feat and is as strong as hercules regardless.

I don't think you and I are on the same page, when I say moon/planet level I don't mean things that affect a celestial body on a whole to whatever extent like Earth-0 Superman whaling hard enough on H'el's face to shake the entire Earth, SSJ3 style. No, I'm talking specifically about moon/planet busting aka gbe.

Like I said before stopping the rotation of the Earth is far easier than moving it out of orbit  I literally gave the bare minimum energy required for both task which you blatantly ignored.

One more time, moving an planet like say Earth for instance out of it's orbit Earth takes far more energy (near 2.7E+13 joules, nearly 12 times the G.B.E of the Earth at 2.24E+32 joules) than stopping the rotation of the Earth which is 2.1E+29 joules (1.68 times the G.B.E of Earth's moon).

GBE means gravitational binding energy, the bare minimum amount of energy it takes to nuke a celestial body, you're welcome.

and no Hulk actually held the weight of a star, not just endure.

I said endure because Hulk is clearly struggling with the weight of the star in question, I didm't say the feat sucked, just that he endured it which he did. We also know the weight of it since said character mentioned it was from a star going supernova.

Our own sun is too small to go supernova, the bare minimum for such an event is 8-15 times the mass of our sun (2e+30 kilograms)

https://www.space.com/6638-supernova.html

That means Hulk endured mass of a star anywhere from 1.6e+31 to 3e+31 kg. For comparison that's 2,666,666.66666 to 5,000,000 times the mass of the Earth (6e+24 kg).

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ICT / Re: Surfer vs Superman | Who tanks planet busting better
« on: November 08, 2018, 07:00:07 PM »
Both of these are conjecture with nothing to prove them except your opinion.

He wasn't partially phased.

Are you blind or being intentionally obtuse? He clearly is shown half phased and is being pulled away from Krypton closer to the portal by his own admission. Why do you think I said how much of Krypton's explosion he actually took is unknown.

Superman king of the world 1

Thanks, unfortunately for you that all happened in the mental plane where anything can happen, not the physical plane.

Superman birthright isn't non canon. It's replaced with another origin but not all of it is retconned.

Its non-canon and overwritten by Secret Origin, why would a previously retcon'd work take precedence over the new?

None of what happens in BR for Krypton is carried over or referenced the same in SO so why should I give you the benefit of a doubt here? Don't be deseperate man, find something else to support your claims.

I already showed you several examples. If you have anything to add, post examples from yourself.

You've giving me insufficient examples (one of which outright contradicts what you were trying to prove), nothing concrete, try again.

Work on reading first. It's not vague at all.

Calling a world big is vague and broad because it doesn't tell us anything specific about it in detail, lol, try again.

The pressure is also mentioned.

Like I said before, its stated atmospheric pressure (15.7) is only slightly higher than Earth's (14.7) which means its gravity is only slightly higher than Earth's own, you lose buddy.

You literally shot yourself in the foot with this example that greatly contradicts the non-canon Birthright (that you are desperately clinging onto) story.

That meant for the gravitational pressure, the simulation didn't create atmosphere of the Krypton. Just the gravity of Krypton.

That's your head-canon, they clearly said atmosphere pressure of Krypton, not gravitational acceleration which would be the term used to measure such things.

This is not normal universe where you can dismiss whatever you don't like. There are planets in DC which are millions of times bigger and denser than Earth.

Whaaa, the DC Universe isn't real? You lie, you LIEEEEEE! Seriously, that's not what I meant, the DC universe is a hyper realism version of our world with the same physics unless otherwise noted in said story.

Giving the direct stastictics of Krypton giving by those two characters it can in fact exist.....as a dwarf planet with a diameter of 806 km.

Now, you have been kindly dismissed, buddy.

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ICT / Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« on: November 03, 2018, 02:51:29 PM »
Hulk flexing off 2 beings that stopped the earth from rotating is far above planetary

Its not, that's technically moon level if you are going by power output to perform such a task. Hulk enduring the weight of a star capable of going super nova far eclipses that level of feat.

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ICT / Re: Surfer vs Superman | Who tanks planet busting better
« on: November 03, 2018, 02:10:40 PM »
No, it doesn't mentions that his fading from the planet had anything to do with the force of the explosion being lessened.

Context clues, if he's fading from that world he's not fully there to interact with it, also, he was being pulled away from Krypton as well so how much of the force he took is unknown. Going in circles doesn't change that.

Not to mention that Superman tanked a second Krypton created by Dominus blowing up too.

Issue numbers so I that I may see Superman's point of reference to this world's explosion.

Yes, we do. It's consistently beyond Earth sized and sometimes even bigger than Jupiter.

List examples of its specific size in relation to Earth, so far all you've done is post a non-canon example.

You saying its irrelevant doesn't suddenly changes decades of comics.


Work on that reading comprehension, I specifically said calling a world vaguely big is meaningless as it doesn't tell me anything specific about its exact size.

Where its mentioned the pressure is 15 times more than Earth.

That's in reference to Krypton's density as you can clearly see the other character correct the first one with the exact figure after the first one called it a "heavy" planet which is a reference to its mass/density which is clarafied by the second character.

So once again, where is Krypton's specific gravity mentioned, size too if you can find any.

Edit: Before you hastily and predictably reply back with ignorance to things you have already shown you have little understanding of such as gravity and pressure in other topics keep in mind pressure =/= gravity.

Now, before you try to equate the two characters talking about two different things in that Krypton's atmosphere pressure is 15.7 while its density is 15.79, okay, let me give you the benefit of a doubt and say that is indeed what the author was going for.

You realize this works heavily against you and not for you right? Why you ask? Well, consider this, if Krpyton's atmosphere pressure was 15.7 that only makes it barely 7% higher than Earth's pressure at 14.7 meaning Krypton's gravity is slightly higher than Earth's.

There's no way for such a planet like Krypton to naturally exist by physics with those stated stats unless it was perhaps artifically created like New Krypton.

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ICT / Re: Immortal Hulk vs Superman challenge |Feat war/relative showings
« on: November 03, 2018, 12:13:04 PM »
Hyperion catching an Earth sized planet is considerably above throwing War World and taking into account the fact that it was flying at high speeds makes it even more impressive. From the standpoint of raw strength Hyperion catching the planet and Clark benching the Earth are very similar, whereas Hyperion stopping two moving Earth's is objectively twice as much weight as Clark benching the Earth, and thus significantly better. Hyperion's two best strength feats are at least as good and better than Clark's second and third best. This being the same guy that a relatively calm Indestructible Hulk manhandled with one arm.

Not really, no, benching the weight of a planet and stopping the kinetic energy of an actual planet in orbit are worlds apart (pun intended), like many orders of magnitude apart to be exact. Both are excellent feats no doubt, but nowhere near on the same scale though.

Herc and Sunspot stopped the Earth from rotating (or the equiavlent force of Earth rotating) which is actually harder than moving the Earth and Jane later helped them, Jane has also matched Hercules in an arm wrestle before so they have pretty even strength; both in the planetary range at least.

Correction, moving an Earth-like planet out of orbit takes far more energy (near 2.7E+13 joules, nearly 12 times the G.B.E of the Earth at 2.24E+32 joules) than stopping the rotation of the Earth which is 2.1E+29 joules (1.68 times the G.B.E of Earth's moon).

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ICT / Re: DC vs Marvel: Flash/Quicksilver
« on: November 03, 2018, 11:55:02 AM »
QS buries this Flash, CW Flash (despite his greater lows) would be a far better match up.

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ICT / Re: Surfer vs Superman | Who tanks planet busting better
« on: November 03, 2018, 10:31:22 AM »
Being faded from the timeline doesn't means anything about how much force he took. If he was hit by the explosion, it would be total force. It wasn't like he was intangible or anything.



It means he's not able to full interact with that world and being pulled away so his location when he is hit by the explosion is unknown and thus not the total force, even still, the entirety of an omni directional planetary explosion is not concentrated in the surface area of a tiny human body so.

No, it doesn't. It has always been a giant planet.


Yes, it does, saying it is a giant planet is irrelevant when you don't even know what the canon size is.

It's gravity does though. You have nothing here.

Where is it's specific gravity mentioned?

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ICT / Re: Surfer vs Superman | Who tanks planet busting better
« on: November 01, 2018, 06:37:41 PM »
He states that the force of the explosion is carrying him through the phantom zone which is nigh infinite in size.

I know that, I have the comic myself, he also states he's fading and being pulled away before that so like I said earlier how much of the explosion he took is unknown, same with how far he traveled from point a to point b as well.

Krypton has always been a giant planet orbiting a red sun. Even under Byrne, it's gravity was several times that of Earth.

Depends on the specific size and gravity in question from writer to writer.

Even under Byrne origin, Krypton was 15.7 times denser than Earth and applying same pressure as gravity.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/dvuVr3BaOHTAls3kntwgfu2jM0NAJTan4rlKXF2A2gdhMzcvHttJkq3pmw0TegFMbQZDEv1OW28K=s1600

Even Jupiter gravity is only 2.4 times more than Earth's.

It being heavier doesn't tell me its specific size or gravity though.

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ICT / Re: Michael Myers vs Jason Voorhees - Who is Stronger?
« on: October 30, 2018, 11:35:55 PM »
Only thing that would make this close is purely human Jason.

Wight/Zombie Jason has this EASY

This, revenant Jason decimates Michael, the script for F vs Jason has the boiler that Freddy dropped on Jason in the dream world weighing 40 tons which he lifted off of him before tossing Freddy across the plant. Michael is strong, but he ain't comic book Spiderman strong. I mean for fuck sakes this SoB stomped the shit out of Liu Kang of all people, lol, Jason is clearly not to be fucked with.

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ICT / Re: Surfer vs Superman | Who tanks planet busting better
« on: October 30, 2018, 11:29:43 PM »

Byrne Superman survived the explosion of krypton under red sun and kryptonite radiation.

https://i.imgtc.com/HcIYTe5.jpg

How much of Krypton's explosion he took is ambiguous considering he was fading from that timeline and being pulled through the portal before it exploded.


Krypton dwarfs Jupiter.


Is that from Birthright? If so that's not the canon-origin anymore, Secret Origin (Referenced again during Rebirth) is.

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ICT / Re: MCU Iron Man vs Ferrigno Hulk
« on: October 06, 2018, 05:16:39 PM »
Make it Iron Man Mark I and Ferrigno Hulk has a chance at least.

Or

Maybe the Mark 45 armor as it was the one that kept malfunctioning and breaking apart?

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Majin Buu vs One Punch Man
« on: October 06, 2018, 04:19:58 PM »
As an outsider looking in I see a lot of dismissing of Buu on principle and very little facts and feats to support that.

https://i.imgtc.com/zWVjln2.jpg

That's the official databook by the OPM creator One where it turns out Saitama actually deflected a star busting blast casually which by DBZ standards puts him above Super Perfect Cell's star busting kamehameha.

If we want to go further into this Saitama casually threw a rock out the gravity well of something stated akin to a black hole. Similar in DBS it takes super saiyan blue Goku using kaioken to break out something stated akin to the gravity well of a blak hole.

Needless to say this shows that Saitama vastly exceeds Fat Buu by Dragon Ball's own standards would it not?

The evidence that Saitama wins or is even comeptitive is summed up in this, "...he's a gag character." So is Popeye the Sailor Man, can Popeye beat Majin Buu?

Yes, Popeye has destroyed every single star in the nite sky with the wave of his hand, blown out stars with his breath, has moved entire planeys physically, and warped reality based entirely off of gag power.

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ICT / Re: DC OFFICIAL Magic Users ranked LIST
« on: October 04, 2018, 02:50:37 PM »
Can't read, you got a better scan of the whole thing?

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Majin Buu vs One Punch Man
« on: October 03, 2018, 10:16:32 PM »
They should be, but they're not.

Exactly, base Vegeta punked SS3 Gotenks > fat buu, yet the stronger super saiyan Vegeta during thay universe 6 tournament couldn't even budge 1,000 tons in mid battle (pretty much shows the 40 tons for base Goku wasn't a mistake) which shows the dbz characters as all powerful characters.

To make it worst Arale (gag character) stomped the db super Vegeta due to being a gag character (which is what Saitama is) so all in all Saitama should easily beat Fat Buu's ass.

What planetary feats does Saitama have?

Being vastly beyond SS3 Goku's (Battle of Gods) punch that destroyed some of King Kai's tiny planetoid for one.

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ICT / Re: Akuma VS Sebastian Shaw
« on: September 17, 2018, 05:02:37 PM »
It’s not Akuma!

Gouki, Akuma, both mean the same thing (demon, orge, devil, etc).

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