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ICT / Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« on: March 18, 2019, 08:43:11 PM »
What do you mean by real life, do you mean real life myths?


Various cultures have spirits being capable of possessing inanimate objects or animals, same deal with fiction so what's the issue here?

Sure, and it all depends. Jason isn't the kind of supernatural entity that possesses anything that "consumes" him.
He did it once, so sure, he can possess humans provided they eat his heart. Animals are a different matter, since
he's never shown to be capable of doing that.

And technology is another issue as well, since again, he's never shown it, and per the director's words, has left it
up to the audience to decide, even though the scene in question does not support the idea of Jason possessing the

That's cool, I respect your opinion on the matter.

ICT / Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« on: March 18, 2019, 04:11:36 PM »
Under most circumstances, albeit in real and in fiction, animals and humans have varying
degrees in their ability to perceive and how they interact with supernatural entities.

What do you mean by real life, do you mean real life myths? If so...


Various cultures have spirits being capable of possessing inanimate objects or animals, same deal with fiction so what's the issue here?

ICT / Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« on: March 15, 2019, 05:48:21 PM »
Jason demonic possession is supernatural (duh) in nature, I don't think being an animal makes you immune to such. A Jason possessed kodiak bear is pretty scary to think about though.

ICT / Re: Jason Voorhees VS 2 Kodiak Bears
« on: March 14, 2019, 03:55:31 AM »
Cool topic of discussion, but I honestly think one kodiak bear would be an uphill battle, two of them is out of the question, Jason gets fucking mauled, badly. Now, if you include the comics (that give Jason some higher level cartoony strength feats) that tie-in with the movie-verse...Jason has a better fighting chance against two, maybe.

ICT / Re: Android 18 vs Wonder Woman
« on: March 12, 2019, 07:15:42 PM »
how about current WW vs 18 when the original Android saga was going on? how's that go?

Depends on how WW stacks up against this kind of power



ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 26, 2019, 11:41:41 AM »
Brah, you're just going in circles now so strike 3, you're out.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 25, 2019, 09:34:13 PM »
You're straight up ignoring dialogue now?

"His power may be the only weapon we have to shatter the time barrier".

Context, the only power that they can harness, remember, the white dwarf was too powerful to contain in the terresact storage that they contained Infinite Man in, you would think Duo Gal mentioning working far better than white dwarf to Mon-El would clue you in considering the white dwarf nearly destroyed everything due to Brianiac's failure to harness it.

Eh, more of your nonsense? Both Trapper and Infinite Man literally survived the big bang itself in the same issue. Don't tell me that its lower than white dwarf star.

Can you not read? White dwarf > tesseract storage > Infinite Man. Also, Infinite Man stalemated Time Trapper with the power of living planets across a billion years, hardly big bang level.

Also, by Brainiac's own admission taking the Time Trapper to beginning of time ends up wiping him out due to being a contradiction to his very being.

So there is no evidence?

Yeah, you're just delusional if you think you saying its toon physics can somehow make the feat invalid.

Don't worry about it, your toon physics white dwarf (everything wrong and nothing right about it) can't save you, especially considering tiny 100 ton white dwarf stars exists freely in the DC Universe (comic book physics and all that jazz). Let me know when you find one equal to its real life counterpart in all regards that's worth bragging about.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 19, 2019, 01:17:11 AM »
Am I supposed to care? You're acting like I've to prove you wrong and you're stating a fact here.

Just letting you know I won't tolerate your nonsense like most the folks on here.

No, it isn't. If you start posting calculations, you have to be certain the writer took these things in consideration.

Most likely Levitz wrote it because it sounded cool.  Uh-huh. Am I supposed to feel something about it?  Right, that's why I said Levitz knew nothing about dwarf stars and hence calculating it on its "size" is irrelevant.

Eh, it's hardly toon science. It's nonsense but it's not popeye.  Right, we should ignore everything which does not meet your approval.  Says who?

You went ahead and posted it. Not me, I just mentioned it.

Don't cry foul now.

Strike 2, bringing up your irrelevant toon physics white dwarf after being repeatedly told why you're wrong doesn't help you. Stop wasting my damn time and troll elsewhere.

Excuses, excuses.

Weak childish bait.

What point of "only" infinite man able to power up the device was lost on you?

Except that's not true, you're twisting things. Brainiac had to find an alternative source since he was utterly incapable of harnessing the power of a white dwarf. That's not the same as saying only Infinite Man can do it, try again, bub.

Right, and that is supposed to make me feel what? Even under Levitz Infinite Man stalemated Trapper who is a legitimate abstract.

Stalemating someone inferior to the output of a white dwarf is rather weaksauce for an "abstract", you're not really helping your case.

So show it then. Lets see this evidence!

Don't worry about it, like the man himself said, just bad science. Your toon physics white dwarf can't save you now.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 18, 2019, 05:31:54 PM »
Strike 1, you get two more after this. Why? Because I know your M.O., you loudly drag things out forever when your blatantly wrong just to save face so you may have the last word. I'm not going to waste my time with your typical shenanigans you love to employ so much.

If its bad science, it's bad science all around. You can't expect to bring calculations in play when it's evident that Levitz didn't know much about dwarf stars.

Bad science or not, as portrayed in the actual comic its no where close to having anything in common with its real life counterpart. I'm not going to argue toon physics with you.

Only Infinite Man could power up the device.


And Infinite Man was an Eternity level being, Mordru became an Eternity level being after gaining his powers in Valor 23.

You didn't answer my question, where was the white dwarf that you claimed was stated to be nigh-infinite in the comic? All I see is you doing is extrapolating and feat stacking between different writers with different interpretations of characters levels. Stop wasting my damn time, also, the white dwarf was never said to lack the power, on the contrary, it proved too powerful for them to wield as a power source while Brainy could wield the Infinite Man. As far as Levitz is concerned, a white dwarf is greater than Infinite Man, blame it on bad science if you want.

Speaking of this white dwarf, apparently is was hot enough to melt inertron (the hardest metal in the DC Universe), but does jack to the others that are far less durable than Mon-El, let alone the general environment of Earth itself, more of your toon physics at work, lol.

And yet it was in a binary star system which can't be possible if it was only two billion tons in weight.

Binary star systems don't orbit inside of each other, especially a white dwarf that would swallow up the other star at such close range and merge as one, stop arguing toon physics with me.

What for?

Find you own results for a white dwarf that size.

He said it was bad science. Nothing more than that.

Yeah, toon physics is really bad science.

Yes, comics are nonsense. Glad you came to that realization. Hence why calculations are nonsense for comics.

No, this instance in particular is outright toon physics, you blatantly ignoring that just to indirectly wank Superman changes nothing.

Because Earth has its own plot armor in comics.

Don't excuse garbage writing that makes zero sense just to indirectly wank Superman.

Yeah, because that's what was endangering the planet.

Your toon physics white dwarf did jack shit to the Earth from beginning, middle and end. A real white dwarf would have utterly destroyed it just by being near the Earth's vicinity, nobody cares about your toon physics white dwarf.

Also no need to turn this into another flame war because you certainly can't take what you dish out as seen last time.

Lol, you're the one that turns things into a flame war when they don't go your way, I can certainly take what I dish out, I simply discontinued entertaining your blatant BS because you would just go on and on forever (like you're doing now) until you got the last word (which is the most important to you).

So you put words in his mouth and thought he would remember the details of something he wrote thirty years ago? Mind showing it?

I didn't put words in his mouth, I brought up the issues of a white dwarf that size on Earth and asked if he intended something like that on his part, he responded it was one of many bad science blunders through out his run. I asked more specifically if what I brought up earlier (The white dwarf's size and mass) to him earlier was correct or not and he kindly responded he already gave his answer earlier (bad science) so I didn't press the issue further, I'm not rude and inconsiderate like you.

And I thought I already established that I don't give a damn about your "calculations". Don't bore me now.

And I don't give a damn about your nonsensical toon physics white dwarf, don't waste my time.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 18, 2019, 02:32:36 AM »
You're assuming the writer knew that. Everything is bad science now in that comic but you think the writer cared about the size of the star?

Considering Levitz himself called it bad science that he apologized for, yes, I would say he cares abou accuracy.

Yes, it is way beyond simple consistency. It was never stated to be such, but it was also stated to produce nigh infinite amount of power which dwarf stars don't produce.

Where was it said to be nigh infinite and if so quantify nigh-infinite (which tend to be hyperbolic statements).

So its better to take things at face value rather than nitpick comics.

Taken at face value the white dwarf portrayed in the comic is vastly inferior and no where near close to the effects off its real life counterpart in multiple ways.

Why would I? That's your forte

Already did, but you asked so do it yourself.

and honestly the writers or artist don't give a Damn about it.

Really, because Levitz said the opposite.

Right, the dwarf star proved too much to contain in literally infinite space. That should tell you how heavy the writer think it was.

Yet was contained just fine in a yellow main sequence star (another nonsensical part) Mon-El found it in for years which is finite in space so yellow stars > infinite space?

All this tells me is how not heavy it is compared to everything else. Also, this "nigh-infinite" energy output outside the tesserect (both before and afterwards) does jack to the Earth by the way.

. Two billion tons is hardly bad science, there are mountains with more weight.

More than just weight, but blatant disregard for extreme heat, radiation, magnetic, and gravitational pull, but I wouldn't expect someone who believes red stars are hotter and more massive than yellow stars to know that.

So you don't have anything from the comics to prove it. Gotcha.

I already asked Levitz personally who told me it was really bad science when I asked about the problem with a 2 billion white dwarf. I'd like to think the word of the author himself counts for something.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 17, 2019, 11:41:05 PM »
Mon-El didn't find a portion of the star. It was the whole star.

A white dwarf star would be planet size, this was clearly a small piece.

Comics are inconsistent but the star was stated to be the whole star.

This is way beyond simple inconsistency, also, where was it stated to be the same mass as its real life counterpart?

Where did you find the weight of the star except in your calculations?

Do the math for a white dwarf that size.

Also the star was stored in a tesserect.

Even when in the tesserect it proved to unstable to contain where Mon-El and crew had to take it outside above the lab.

Issue number?

LOSH #53.

Why don't your post the scan where it says its two billion tons?

Do the math for a white dwarf's density and volume, comes out roughly 2 billion tons.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 17, 2019, 03:55:33 PM »
All of comics is bad science. The feat still counts.

Did I say the 2 billion ton white dwarf feat didn't count?

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 17, 2019, 03:18:12 PM »
That's the point, a small portion of a white dwarf is still called a white dwarf star, no different than the small portion Mon-El found even though that has problems itself. A white dwarf with even 0.3 the mass of the sun conpressed to the size Mon-El was carrying would be a black hole so that's out of the question.

Even a 2 billion ton white dwarf on Eaeth would be utterly catastrophic, it would destroy the Earth. No matter how you slice it the white dwarf incident makes zero sense. Kind of funny since I asked the author himself about it recently and he told me the 2 billion ton white dwarf was just really bad science on his part.

Turns out he said similar already in a letter column when fans confronted him about the nonsensical white dwarf bit, but if you disagree you are more than welcome to ask Mr. Levitz yourself.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 16, 2019, 01:40:27 AM »
Minimum mass for a white dwarf star is 0.3 times sun's mass. Below it, the star becomes a blue dwarf.

In real life, sure, in comic books, not so much.

ICT / Re: Byrne Superman vs Gladiator
« on: February 15, 2019, 08:42:10 PM »
Mon-El actually moved a white dwarf star from another galaxy to Earth

Disappointed, thought it was going to be an Earth-sized white dwarf or something. Scaled using Mon-El's size the white dwarf he carried weighs 2 billion tons which is impressive I guess.

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