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ICT / Panthergod: Continuing our discussion on John Byrne quotes...
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:05:22 PM »
This discussion is continued from a tangent which began Scourge's "Hercules vs. Gladiator SLUGFEST!" thread:

https://herochat.com/index.php?topic=15663.msg321230#msg321230


Let's be clear about this: Byrne compared the Superman Gail Simone wrote (and he drew) circa 2004 to the Silver Age Superman in power? And you quoted him saying that, as though you thought it carried some weight? Is that right?

All you had to say was:" Yes, I'm going to pretend to not comprehend the context, which was in no way contradicted by you, Panthergod".

There's isn't a single contradiction you can name.

I disputed your weak comparison to She Hulk and WW,

It was perfectly valid. Byrne may have written both She-Hulk and Diana, but that doesn't make his opinion that Jen was the stronger of the two a canonical fact, even if one is limiting the frame of reference to his portrayals only. It's still his opinion.

not the issue of intent, which I inherently acknowledged was Byrnes opinion.

Byrne has no jurisdiction on the Pre Crisis Superman's powerlevel. Two shotting the Thing is nothing compared to tanking a geometrically increasing Savage Hulks full on strikes, which was seen on panel.

Jim Shooter's Superman looked more powerful than Byrne's Gladiator, but he also looked more powerful than Byrne and Simone's Superman.

I found a couple of your quotes BTW:


https://herochat.com/index.php?topic=7590.msg153071#msg153071

Panthergod: Hmmm.

On paper, Pre Crisis level.  The Superboy from the Phantom Zone Krypton did all the Classsic Silver and Broze Age Superboy feats and showings. Subsequent encounters with Pre Crisis-level characters, particularly SBP, elevated their relative power level. Byrne himself acknowledge that post OWAW Superman was effectively Pre-Crisis level compared to the standard levels of his portrayal( though his Superman's relative power based on his self belief and will and potentially infinite in amount).

I'll think about it.



https://herochat.com/index.php?topic=7224.msg143853#msg143853

Panthergod: Now Byrne admitting that the Post OWAW-pre IC Superman was Pre-Crisis level in comparison to the Marvelized elite Class 100 top tier level Superman from early Post Crisis.

And before anyone tries it, his conception of Adam informed Simone's portrayal, and he views Adam as well above top tier team wrecker aka the first Adam story from the Golden Age.



So yes, you definitely cited Byrne's view that "post-OWAW" Superman was little different in power to the pre-Crisis Superman as though that carried some weight in your mind.

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ICT / George Foreman vs. Ivan Drago (nod to HJ)
« on: February 09, 2017, 01:36:56 PM »
VS.


15-round pro bout in a neutral venue. Both hungry and in their prime. Three-month training window with knowledge of the opponent.

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ICT / Live-action comicbook agility ranking...
« on: January 16, 2017, 11:07:26 AM »
Rank the most agile characters you can think of from live-action comicbook movies or TV shows, from any era.

I'm defining "agility" here as gymnastic/acrobatic/free running/break dancing type stuff. Different versions of the same character should be listed as separate entities.

A top ten would be great, but list as many as you're comfortable with. And if you can post video links as reference material, that'd be better still.

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Sports Talk / Wimbledon 2016: Andy Murray does it again...
« on: July 10, 2016, 01:24:52 PM »


A 2nd Wimbledon title for Murray, and his 3rd grand slam win in total. Four or five years ago, there were people who doubted he'd ever win a grand slam, so he's well and truly proved them wrong now. And it's thoroughly deserved IMO, as he's worked his socks off to get to this point. I hope he picks up a few more slams before he's done in the game, but regardless, he's cemented his status as a British sporting legend, a rare animal in my lifetime.

Also, well done to Serena Williams for picking up her 7th Wimbledon title and 22nd grand slam win, along with a 6th doubles title with her sister. One more grand slam win, and she'll overtake Steffi Graf's record of having the most grand slam titles during the open era. Three more, and she'll be the greatest of all time. I hope she does it; she's certainly worthy of that distinction.



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VS.


It's a sunny Friday afternoon, and Dr. David Banner -- presently going by the alias "David Bacon" -- hitches a ride with some boisterous teenagers, on their way to Camp Crystal Lake for a weekend of booze-fueled merriment. They invite him to stay the night at the camp, and he accepts. Hours later, they're all sitting 'round a campfire under a crescent moon, discussing the "urban legend" of Jason Voorhees, when -- speak of the Devil! -- Jason himself emerges from the woods, brandishing a large, gleaming machete. In the ensuing melee, Banner is painfully knocked to one side, as Jason sets about hacking the panic-stricken teens to pieces. But when Jason turns back toward the mild-mannered doctor, he instead finds himself facing the brutish green behemoth known as The Incredible Hulk, who is flexing, roaring, and very much ready to rumble...

That's your basic scenario, but you get to insert any of four different Jasons herein:

1. Original Jason (Friday the 13th Parts II-IV)
2. Zombie Jason (Friday the 13th Parts VI-IX & Freddy vs. Jason)
3. Cyborg Jason (Jason X)
4. Reboot Jason (Friday the 13th 2009)

Feel free to discuss how any or all of the above Jasons would fare against the Lou Ferrigno Hulk in a one-on-one fight.

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ICT / Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) & Arsenal vs. the following...
« on: March 04, 2016, 06:23:20 PM »


Ollie and Roy working together as a team against the following. Separate fights. Standard city environment. No prep. All DC characters are pre-Flashpoint.

Nightcrawler
Batman
Captain America
Deathstroke
Deadpool
Midnighter
Cyclops
Hawkman
Human Torch
Zatanna

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ICT / Spider-Man vs. Volstagg the Voluminous
« on: August 26, 2015, 03:23:13 PM »
VS.


... at a pie eating contest. No, don't be silly. I mean a fight, of course. Standard city environment and standard gear for both. Aunt May has not been injured or insulted in any way.

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ICT / Aunt May Mode Spider-Man™ vs. Bane
« on: August 11, 2015, 11:38:10 AM »
VS.


Spidey thinks Bane just raped Aunt May, and nothing on God's green earth will convince him otherwise.

Fight takes place in a generic city environment, with no interference.

Feel free to discuss any and all versions of Bane.

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In riv's Black Adam Vs Magneto thread, Abhilegend suggested that Magneto received a long-term and possibly permanent power-down during the 1970s. As evidence, he posted these scans from X-Men Vol. 2 #2.

http://herochat.com/index.php?topic=1423.msg26787#msg26787




It's indicated above that Moira MacTaggert did in fact make changes to Magneto's DNA during the period in the mid '70s where he was artificially de-aged to infancy -- specifically, sometime between Defenders #16 (the issue where he was de-aged by the mutant, Alpha), published in 1974, and Uncanny X-Men #104 (the issue where he was restored to his physical prime by Erik the Red, aka Davan Shakari), published in 1977.

The aim of MacTaggert's tampering -- as noted in the scans above -- was to eliminate what she termed an "instability" in his central nervous system. Her exact words:

"There were indications of an instability in your central nervous system, as though yuir body could'na quite handle the energies you were processing through it. Akin to a power line unable to cope wi' loads far beyond its design capabilities. There was a possibility of a progressive degradation that could in turn affect the electro-chemical balance of yuir brain."

Abhi suggested MacTaggert solved this problem by reducing Magneto's power level. But I looked through these issues myself, and found no reference to a power-down. In fact, it was clarified in the same issue, and the following one, that MacTaggert's procedure was based on a form of "behaviour modification" -- and that this procedure could be used just as effectively on mutants with completely different powersets, such as Cyclops, Beast, Wolverine, Gambit, Rogue and Psylocke.






The revelation was seemingly meant to imply that Magneto's face turn during the 1980s was -- or at least may've been -- a direct result of this gene tampering. However, it was further clarified that the procedure was ultimately a bust. Quoting MacTaggert's exact words again:

"My process was a failure, Magneto -- effective only so long as the subject never used their mutant power. The structures of mind and body have t' be aligned a certain, specific way for those powers t' operate, in harmony so t' speak wi' yuir essential character. That's why you all have such indomitable wills. No matter how deeply ye're brainwashed, each use o' yuir powers reverts you to yuir natural, default state. You were never deprived of anything by me. The choices you made were the ones y' would have made regardless."




So there was no clear indication in these issues that MacTaggert's treatment ever reduced Magneto's power level. And regardless, the effect of her treatment apparently didn't last in the long-term in any case.

As if that wasn't enough, in the opening issue of this storyline (X-Men Vol. 2 #1), there's a scene where Russian scientists monitoring a recent use of Magneto's powers in orbit state that his energy signatures were "unmistakable" and "if anything, far stronger than ever previously recorded".




Now admittedly, I'm not a Magneto expert by any stretch of the imagination, so it's possible I'm missing something. And if that's the case, I'm happy to be enlightened. But based on what I've seen here, it doesn't seem remotely logical to conclude that Magneto's powers were permanently reduced by MacTaggert's tampering in the '70s.

Thoughts...?

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ICT / Thor/Hyperion: is Abhi right about what Thor said here?
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:22:42 PM »
Thor states that Hyperion hits harder than Mangog.



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ICT / Robin, Robin, Red Hood and Nightwing vs. Deathstroke (nods to Riv)...
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:06:23 AM »
Pre DCnu Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Jason Todd and Dick Grayson in a no prep battle with Deathstroke in mid town Manhattan. Dick Grayson is in charge. Start distance 1 city block.

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ICT / Black Adam vs. Superman: What did Black Adam agree to in this scene?
« on: December 04, 2014, 01:02:17 PM »
In your own words.




Edit: The full fight, for added context.




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