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Marvel Zombies / Re: What are Spider-Man's best fight scenes?
« on: August 17, 2018, 04:16:53 PM »
Out of Shuruku's six, four are on my list (if you count my Honorable Mention). So... great minds, and all that.

I just skimmed your blog post, and Spider-Man vs. Wolverine is one of the fights I considered for my top six before settling on the ones I did. Even though I didn't appreciate some aspects of the fight/story, like Peter crapping his pants because Wolverine was out to kill him, it was the best Spidey/Logan fight in terms of choreography and intensity.

My favourite Spidey/Kingpin fight though is probably the one they had in ASM #197. Alot of people seemed to enjoy seeing Fisk get slapped around in Back in Black, but I actually like the character, so I prefer to see him portrayed with respect.

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ICT / Re: Arch Angel VS Green Goblin
« on: August 17, 2018, 02:31:08 PM »
Warren matches up well here. He's more agile in the air, and the metal wings are a good defense against most of Norman's attacks, whereas Norman has no particularly strong defense against Warren's flechettes.

Feather-winged Angel would get wrecked though.

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Marvel Zombies / Re: What are Spider-Man's best fight scenes?
« on: August 15, 2018, 04:10:58 PM »
Off the top of my head, the first six that come to mind are (in purely alphabetical order)...

Spider-Man vs Firelord - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #269-270
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-269?id=4504#12

Spider-Man vs The Green Goblin - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #121-122
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-121?id=4352#14

Spider-Man vs The Juggernaut - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #229-230
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-229?id=4464#10

Spider-Man vs Morlun - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Vol 2 #32-35
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1999/Issue-32?id=5001#21

Spider-Man vs The Sinister Six - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #1
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Annual-1?id=34815#14

Spider-Man vs Venom - AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #346-347
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-346?id=4582#14

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 13, 2018, 05:05:53 PM »
Oh so slade have CL100 durability feats now?

I don't think a Class 100 character would've been in danger of being killed by a few more of Osiris' blows. Still, Osiris did appear to be out for the kill, so it's impressive that Slade endured as many blows as he did.

I can show you instance of far less than that Koing slade

That's unnecessary. I'm not arguing that the Osiris showing represents Slade's average, but it's part of his record, which taken as a whole, is superior to Elektra's by some distance. And that's the real point I've been making; a point you don't seem to want to address.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Predator Month - Terminator vs Predator
« on: August 11, 2018, 04:39:02 PM »
I reckon that article downplays the stats of Cameron's T-800s a little too much, but it's certainly right to suggest that they've benefitted from power creep in subsequent films, and the Sarah Connor Chronicles series.

Personally, I was averaging the different T-800 depictions over the years together, while discounting explicitly higher models in the T-800 series, like the T-850 and the T-888s. That still leaves us with the T-800 from Salvation, and the two T-800s in Genisys ("Pops", and the Terminator from the original film, who was stronger than Pops).
https://youtu.be/SW8KIuMV0s4?t=102

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 11, 2018, 04:10:00 PM »
those durability feats aren't even above the 5-ton range.

Okay, so according to your last post, the feats weren't quantifiable; now all of a sudden, they can be quantified at five tons level or lower. Right. And how do Elektra's durability feats compare?

ROFL in this same comic osiris never actually wanted to kill Slade when he threw blows at him hence WHY Slade asked him to kill him after acknowledging osiris wasn't exerting majority of his strength

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Titans-2008/Annual?id=40182#16

Where does it say that Osiris wasn't exerting the majority of his strength? Quote the text you have in mind.

wolverine durability>>>>> slade's if you want to go that route. Wolverine has tanked been punched across states. It doesn't mean elektra can't jam her sais into him

All these barely impressive durability feats got me laughing. Tigershark is miles more durable than this and elektra jammed her sais through his skull.

Really getting hit enough to flip cars, falling from buildings? Honestly that's his suit durability and it isn't anywhere close to wolverine or ironfist durability feats

You're rebutting a point no one made. Nobody asserted that Slade is as durable as Wolverine or Tiger Shark, or that he can't be cut by Elektra's sais. The point being made is that Slade is more durable than Elektra.

Goken has been ignoring all scans for some reason.  I think he's fixated on Shuruku.

Is AP right, goken? Are you fixated on me?

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 10, 2018, 05:38:08 PM »
oh so now it's an  aberration? BECAUSE YOU say so? that's an assumption. it happened on panel, get over it. unless you have proof that it's an abrreation, it counts. "could"  isn't the same as "is"

I didn't say it was an aberration, I said it could be, as you recognised at the end there. It happened and counts as part of continuity either way, but if it were an aberration, that would mean it isn't representative of how most writers would script a fight between those two. No one else has written a fight between those two, so we don't know if this is representative or not, but Bendis has a history of writing things that are not representive of wider continuity.

starfire, and the others weren't even exerting all their effort on slade so how the hell is that quantifiable?

We saw that one of the starbolts aimed at Slade was powerful enough to split a car in two on the page before he was hit by one himself. Starfire also said she was "out for blood", and expressed surprise that he was still alive after being blasted, saying it was "impossible". Slade's retort indicates that he believed she'd hit him with her "best shot".
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-New-Teen-Titans-1980/Issue-10?id=30312#12

On this page, the Atom slams Slade into the side of a building with enough force to shatter the wall. That isn't an unquantifiable impact.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Teen-Titans-1996/Issue-22?id=21141#9

On this page, Superboy hits Slade in the back hard enough to shatter the pavement beneath him, and then Wonder Girl swings Slade through the corner of a building. Again, these are not unquantifiable impacts.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Teen-Titans-2003/Issue-5?id=21216&quality=#4

On this page, Slade takes multiple blows from Osiris, who had no reservations about killing his enemies, and clearly intended to kill Slade here.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Titans-2008/Annual?id=40182#16

Under the same writer, Osiris was shown to be capable of trading blows with Captain Marvel and Supergirl.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Titans-2008/Issue-32?id=40147#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Titans-2008/Annual?id=40182#31

lol I was actually joking on bruce being CL100, nobody is stupid enough to actually believe ANYONE that think he is but nice try though

So were you lying when you said Bruce had feats above the 40 ton range?

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 08, 2018, 07:08:32 PM »
Irrelevant. Just because it was written by bendis doesn't excuse it happened.

No doubt it happened, but it could be an aberration.

that showing is a skill feat, and shows Elektra being superior to Slade in the skill department. Do YOU dispute that?

No. I've long argued that Slade isn't up there with the best in pure skill.

2)  Yes I dispute that.

It's good to have that on the record, because I wouldn't want to go to the trouble of proving that Slade is physically superior to Elektra, only for you to claim you agreed with that all along.

Slade doesn't strike harder than Elektra. you've yet to prove this

I'm not obliged to, since I didn't claim he hits harder. I am claiming that he's stronger and more durable though, with faster healing as well, making him superior all round physically, even if she can strike similarly hard to him through greater skill.

3) Where's Slade durability feats showing he'll last more?

Takes a punch from Starfire, followed by one of her starbolts.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-New-Teen-Titans-1980/Issue-10?id=30312#12

Takes a rocky protrusion being slammed into him by Terra. Later in the fight, he also takes a punch from Cyborg followed by a charging headbutt from Changeling in the form of a ram.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-New-Teen-Titans-1980/Issue-34?id=30366#16

Takes being slammed into the side of a building by Atom in giant form.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Teen-Titans-1996/Issue-22?id=21141#9

Takes a speedblitz from Kid Flash, followed by a flying punch to the back from Superboy which embeds him into the road, followed by two further attacks from Cassie Wonder Girl.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Teen-Titans-2003/Issue-5?id=21216&quality=#3

Takes a speedblitz from Osiris.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Titans-2008/Annual?id=40182#16

I've shown feats where Elektra can do MASSIVE, MASSIVE damage. waiting for you to prove otherwise

The people you've shown her doing massive damage to were no-name goons. You haven't shown her inflicting that level of damage to anyone worth a damn.

4)  doesn't change the fact Slade got Ko'ed by Bruce in that comic. Bruce clearly stalemated him, you can't change that fact.

I'm not trying to change that. But you cited that reference as if it demonstrated that Slade wasn't physically superior to Bruce, and it doesn't demonstrate that.

5) yes elektra is stronger than batman, why do you think i posted THOSE FEATS for her in the post? Are you gonna keep asking dumb questions or are you gonna post superior strength feats for Bruce since he supposedly scales to slade, and you can't find a feat for slade so you have to y'know do scaley thingy

You've previously argued that Batman has superhuman feats above the 40 ton range, and can be argued to have Class 100 durability feats. You also posted this scan as evidence.




Does Elektra have feats greater than that, or were you lying about Batman's feats?

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 08, 2018, 03:42:01 PM »
So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

well she almost killed daredevil with her one strike according to daredevil's own admission, he only survived because elektra held back at last minute and still almost killed him so yes.

Yes, what? Are you saying Elektra is stronger than Daredevil? More formidable? Both?

And is she stronger than Batman IYO? More formidable? Both?

I've already SHOWED elektra striking feats so no Slade is not "physically"  superior in striking. period.

You posted some nice feats for her, but it doesn't mean she can hit as hard as Slade. Maybe she can, maybe she can't. Even if she can, it doesn't mean she's as strong as him, or physically equal to him in general. The striking power of martial artists has alot to do with their skill, not just strength.

Also, you're focusing solely on striking power, but I never said Slade was superior in that area specifically, I just said he was physically superior, as in overall. Do you dispute that?

Slade being superior to Batman is debatable seeing as they stalemated each other recently  under Priest, in Deathstroke's own title. (deathstroke #34)

There's nothing in that issue that contradicts the stat edge for Slade established in previous fights. Bruce specifically acknowledged Slade's enhanced strength and speed there.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Deathstroke-2016/Issue-34?id=137785#18

And Elektra recently had the upperhand against Danny in h2h to the point danny Ko'ed her with a chi attack

(Defenders #7, read it)

I just looked through it on readcomiconline. That is a very good showing for Elektra; she was at least matching Danny, and arguably was edging the fight before he resorted to that chi blast. However, this was all written by Bendis, who had Danny come off worse in a sparring match with Wolverine, and has a dodgy history as a writer in general.

Is Slade more skilled than Danny huh Shuruku? NOW i'm asking you the question

I'd put both Danny and Batman above Slade in skill, but I think he'd beat them both more often than not in a random encounter, because his skill combined with his stats and gear makes him superior all round.

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 08, 2018, 01:48:36 PM »
physically superior and skilled enough.

His skill is evident in his fights with people like Batman, Bronze Tiger, Green Arrow and Black Canary. If he were a shitty fighter, he'd lose to those people, because they can handle unskilled superhumans. He generally gets the better of them not simply because he has superior stats, but because he wields that stat edge with considerable skill.

As for proving that he's physically superior, do you actually disagree that he is? Because I don't want to waste my time proving a point we both agree on. And you already acknowledged that he's physically superior to Batman, so unless you're arguing that Elektra is physically superior to Batman as well, then you must agree that Slade is above both of them.

I already listed elektra striking feats, slade doesnt have comparable

Elektra vs Shield Hulkbusters:
https://i.imgur.com/7d0G3nS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VZEezjl.jpg


And while she has punched through body armor before, I think the more stupidly impressive feat is this time she threw her sai into a guys gun so hard it tore his hand off and punched through his body armor and all the way out the back of his torso also apparently knocking him back off his feet.

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ


Also when she was dealing with a Hand robot with [/URL]bullet proof armor she was able to throw her Sai with enough force to penetrate it and take it down

https://imgur.com/zbXP8aa

https://imgur.com/ZLmYnA4


Just so it is on record though The punching through body armor incident


https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/04zPrBG

stabbing into Red She-Hulk with her Sai

https://imgur.com/li5AIYH

Thrown her Sai also penetrated Red Hulk's neck

https://imgur.com/kZRTsbJ

https://imgur.com/Huj7QBr

^who asks if the things are made of adamantium


Also on the note of her sai, and so I can test if albums can work with the url as text thing, Her Sai have a synaptic based biometric lock keyed to her nervous system so they can't be used against her and paralyze people who try.

https://imgur.com/a/psxIqPz

I don't know that Slade would try to turn her weapons against her if he got a hold of them, but that is a thing apparently. I need to look on if that is still actually a thing though because this seems like the kind of thing easily forgotten by writers.

Marvel Martial Artists seem to be their own category of superhuman above peak humans, Danny Rand's sister whose whole thing is she's a human with kung fu can hit Demons so hard she tears extremities off. Edit: Woops it was Danny who punched a head off a demon...Miranda just beat the shit out of one. Still though.

I also didn't go into Elektra's bullet timing feats, blocking full auto fire, cutting a bullet in half, back flip kicking a sniper round after escaping Skrull captivity. In Marvel martial arts seems to be like magic, the users don't have to explain shit.


Not to mention in fight with Danny recently in defenders Elektra had the upper advantage until Danny used Chi to put her down

So do you consider Elektra to be stronger than Batman or Daredevil? Or more formidable than either one? If not, then I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this scan bomb. If you do think she's stronger or formidable than those guys, then this debate just got a whole lot more interesting.

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 08, 2018, 10:31:09 AM »
Deathstroke wins a good fight. He's better armed, physically superior, and skilled enough that his superior stats will matter.

I think Wolfman intended him to be a mercenary version of Cap rather than an evil version of Batman though.

prove that right now.

Prove what specifically? That Slade is better armed? That he's physically superior? Or that he's skilled enough for his superior stats to matter?

Elektra is a master tactician too. Easily outsmarting amped lady bullseye with added intangibility abilities.

Nothing I said implied she's not highly intelligent. I don't see intelligence being the difference maker in this fight though.

Also beating the serpent society by herself.

Elektra cleared the assassin guild by herself.

Elektra bested amped tiger shark and Jack o lantern at the same time.

She bested bloody lips a 10 tonner who can gain the abilities of anyone he eats, Elektra beat him when he's eaten part of bullseye, lady bullseye, scalphunter.

Are these feats supposed to put Elektra above Deathstroke? Do they put her above Daredevil, Shang-Chi, or Captain America?

Deathstroke is good but stop wanking him, he's pretty much limited when he faces skilled fighters e.g batman, cassandra, dick, his only saving grace against them was his superior stats and gear. Elektra also have killer instincts unlike the heroes .

Do you think Elektra is more formidable than Batman?

Elektra was already a master of martial art as a kid, when did deathstroke started learning martial arts?

This is a terrible argument. You can make a case that Elektra is more skilled than Slade, but that case should be based on comparative skill showings, not on who's studied martial arts the longest.

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ICT / Re: Deathstroke vs Elektra
« on: August 08, 2018, 09:03:27 AM »
Deathstroke wins a good fight. He's better armed, physically superior, and skilled enough that his superior stats will matter.

I think Wolfman intended him to be a mercenary version of Cap rather than an evil version of Batman though.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Predator Month - Terminator vs Predator
« on: August 08, 2018, 03:39:50 AM »
In the original film, we see the wristblades strike some rocks and do no visible damage to them.
https://youtu.be/AAzja2tWAg8?t=54

In Predator 2, the Pred attempts to slow it's fall by repeatedly striking the side of a building with it's wristblades, but the wristblades fail to visibly penetrate the wall.
https://youtu.be/Dw5W0T5fV70?t=73

In Predators, Hanzo is able to parry wristblades with his sword with no visible damage to the sword.
https://youtu.be/AGZkrlcVPTY?t=45

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ICT / Re: Hawaiian (how many points can you get) team builder
« on: August 07, 2018, 07:53:07 PM »
Alright, here's a comics-only version. Bear in mind, my main goal all along has been to accumulate as many points as possible, which is why the teams are/were such a hodgepodge of mismatched characters.







































non Marvel/DC characters x 5 (Koni Waves, Siren, Taboo, Freefall, Shi) = 25 pts

female characters x 8 (all characters) = 40 pts

team sponsor x 1 (Tony Stark) = 5 pts

street level characters x 3 (Koni Waves, Tana Moon, Shi) = 30 pts

water based, non-Atlantean characters x 2 (Siren, Marinna) = 40 pts

reformed villain x 1 (Taboo) = 10 pts

teenage (or below) characters x 3 (Siren, Marrina, Freefall) = 30 pts

Polynesian characters x 3 (Koni Waves, Tana Moon, Namaka) = 75 pts

Total points = 255

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ICT / Re: Hawaiian (how many points can you get) team builder
« on: August 07, 2018, 06:35:46 PM »
^^^Oookay.
Was hoping for comics characters, like told AP, but, that was interesting!
I bend the rules on team builders too, that was just kinda throwing a rock through a window, and the team still wound up kinda meh. :P

I wasn't deliberately bending/breaking the rules. I just missed what you said to AP, and was going solely by the opening post.

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