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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 04:47:00 PM »
Byrne also wrote Galactus as well above Darkseid.  Isn’t it a fully fed 616 Galactus who holds his own agains the 4 Mad Celestials, taking down one before they merge together?


What's Darkseid got to do with that?

That was with 4 planet amp. After the amp was gone, one celestial no sold Galactus and downed him before Franklin killed it.

Doesn’t Darkseid whip DC Zeus?  Or are they both below Skyfather level?

Before that Celestial downs him, Galactus rips one apart. 

Tom Brevoort stated on his Forspmspring page that his money is on Galactus against the average Celestial.  Dan Jurgens stated that he sees Galactus on another level above Odin.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 03:46:30 PM »
Byrne also wrote Galactus as well above Darkseid.  Isn’t it a fully fed 616 Galactus who holds his own agains the 4 Mad Celestials, taking down one before they merge together?


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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 02:27:34 PM »
And before you start, yes Zeus was getting amped by Chaos King but it was still mostly his own power.

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Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3 , was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”
Van Lente : Greg?
Pak : I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely is being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.
At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.

Hercules was just another skyfather though and oneshotted same Zeus casually.

So you anticipated being called out on ignoring context.  Zeus is enhanced and Galactus doesn’t anticipate this.  He sees Zeus as a “mere Skyfather”.  Herc being cockstroked throughout that story doesn’t change that.  Grandmaster is Skyfather level:


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ICT / Re: Superman vs Star level+ striking force
« on: June 17, 2018, 01:15:24 PM »
Superman states that if it fully releases, it would cause a disaster.  His goal is to prevent that.  Thus, he prevents it from fully releasing since there is no disaster.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 11:14:29 AM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?
Do you have an actual citation to support what you're saying about the Elder Gods? Nothing you've posted so far supports it.
Thanos Imperative outright stated that the Elder Gods (MAOs) were more powerful than Galactus Engine who was himself taking on Galactus and a dozen Celestials.



Not to mention Tenebrous and Aegis were weakened Elder Gods and were equal to Galactus in power.

Just one MAO killed Aegis casually.

Where do you get that MAOs are elder gods?  They are primordial, demonic, cosmic entities.  They are all powerful in their realms and lose power in order to exist outside.  They exist at full power in the Cancerverse due to death being eliminated there.  So each of them being bigger and more powerful than the Galactus Engine while still in the Cancerverse makes sense.  At full power, Shuma is way up their.


It was repeated several times that MAOs were elder gods in Thanos Imperative.

MAOs didn't get weaker outside cancerverse.
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Tenebrous is also a primordial cosmic entity.  Not an elder god.  That would be Gaea, Set, etc.
Yes, he is. Explicitly stated.






"mad titan or elder god"

he's unsure, thats not explictly stated bro lol

Exactly.  They are explicitly stated to be proemial gods.  Elder gods were birthed by the Demiurge.  The MAOs are not elder gods and neither is Tenebrous.
The demiurge origin is out of continuity now.

Elder Gods is a title, not meaning just the sons of Gaea and Demiurge. They are typically shown more powerful than skyfathers including Galactus.

Yet Galactus is not a Skyfather.  He’s above.  That’s firmly established.  Not knowing that it’s Chaos King, he views Zeus as a “mere Skyfather “.


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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 17, 2018, 08:08:48 AM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?
Do you have an actual citation to support what you're saying about the Elder Gods? Nothing you've posted so far supports it.
Thanos Imperative outright stated that the Elder Gods (MAOs) were more powerful than Galactus Engine who was himself taking on Galactus and a dozen Celestials.



Not to mention Tenebrous and Aegis were weakened Elder Gods and were equal to Galactus in power.

Just one MAO killed Aegis casually.

Where do you get that MAOs are elder gods?  They are primordial, demonic, cosmic entities.  They are all powerful in their realms and lose power in order to exist outside.  They exist at full power in the Cancerverse due to death being eliminated there.  So each of them being bigger and more powerful than the Galactus Engine while still in the Cancerverse makes sense.  At full power, Shuma is way up their.


It was repeated several times that MAOs were elder gods in Thanos Imperative.

MAOs didn't get weaker outside cancerverse.
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Tenebrous is also a primordial cosmic entity.  Not an elder god.  That would be Gaea, Set, etc.
Yes, he is. Explicitly stated.






"mad titan or elder god"

he's unsure, thats not explictly stated bro lol

Exactly.  They are explicitly stated to be proemial gods.  Elder gods were birthed by the Demiurge.  The MAOs are not elder gods and neither is Tenebrous.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 16, 2018, 10:06:19 PM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?
Do you have an actual citation to support what you're saying about the Elder Gods? Nothing you've posted so far supports it.
Thanos Imperative outright stated that the Elder Gods (MAOs) were more powerful than Galactus Engine who was himself taking on Galactus and a dozen Celestials.



Not to mention Tenebrous and Aegis were weakened Elder Gods and were equal to Galactus in power.

Just one MAO killed Aegis casually.

Where do you get that MAOs are elder gods?  They are primordial, demonic, cosmic entities.  They are all powerful in their realms and lose power in order to exist outside.  They exist at full power in the Cancerverse due to death being eliminated there.  So each of them being bigger and more powerful than the Galactus Engine while still in the Cancerverse makes sense.  At full power, Shuma is way up their.

Tenebrous is also a primordial cosmic entity.  Not an elder god.  That would be Gaea, Set, etc.

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 16, 2018, 08:35:11 AM »
Recently doesn’t matter, his cumulative showings do. His name was mentioned in an incantation with no context, that means nothing
What cumulative showings?

Of course it does, it shows elder gods are above Galactus. Same was shown in Chaos War.

How exactly is it shown that any single elder god is above Galactus?

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 16, 2018, 08:29:27 AM »
Irrefutable fact.
Galactus weakest point is Skyfather. He us usually up there with  The other abstracts. He can actually command the presence and council with the LT. While Odin's death barely gave Th4 LT notice.

This has nothing to do with power. Galactus has been Watcher level since his first appearance.
No. And Watchers are above Odin. Galactus>Watcher>Odin

Yep.  Galactus is definitely above Watchers:

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BU0uQ

lol,

That's a combat showing.

Not a relative power portrayal.  Rulk had absorbed the power cosmic.. making him vulnerable to Galactus.

Galactus is more formidable than a Watcher. So what?

This is a combat thread.  Galactus is above Watchers in formidability and power.


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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 14, 2018, 08:59:08 PM »
Irrefutable fact.
Galactus weakest point is Skyfather. He us usually up there with  The other abstracts. He can actually command the presence and council with the LT. While Odin's death barely gave Th4 LT notice.

This has nothing to do with power. Galactus has been Watcher level since his first appearance.
No. And Watchers are above Odin. Galactus>Watcher>Odin

Yep.  Galactus is definitely above Watchers:

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/BU0uQ

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ICT / Re: Galactus VS Sentry/Thanos/Hyperion/Silver Surfer/X-Man
« on: June 13, 2018, 08:41:39 PM »
Irrefutable fact.
Galactus weakest point is Skyfather. He us usually up there with  The other abstracts. He can actually command the presence and council with the LT. While Odin's death barely gave Th4 LT notice.

Thank you.  His lowest showings put him just enough above Odin to win every time,  albeit with effort.  He has on multiple occasions been portrayed up there with the Celestials.


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To be fair Juggy looked WAY beyond Thor in raw strength there. Almost a Hulk level showing.

Also from those scans Thor basically admits he hit Juggy and ran away so it's not like he was KO'd.

Is this still Aaron? He's really going out of his way to piss Thor fans off now with some of that dialogue if so. "I'm the worst Thor ever!"


Cheers.

Pretty sure it is. Thor sounds like a teenage hipster

Also yea good strength showing but Juggy for me has great strength, but I’d really like his durability and unstoppability played up. Thor knocking him back and blasting out a tooth isn’t right for a regular blow

I’m not sure if it’s a regular blow.  It’s not clear but it seems that Thor channels all of those hammers into one blow and the hammer is still destroyed.

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ICT / Re: Asgardians of the Galaxy vs. Superman
« on: June 07, 2018, 08:32:32 PM »


Superman is being a big ol' bitch and the Asgardians have to bring him in. Can they?

Valkyrie
Skurge
Angela
Thunderstrike
Frog Thor
The Destroyer (let's say he is being inhabited by Volstag)

Vs.

Superman

Well 'classically' you would say that Superman cannot defeat the Destroyer. However, judging by the art its an already battle-damaged Destroyer. I'd say he defeats the other five though.

Interesting Parallels between the Guardians:

Frog Thor = Rocket
Destroyer = Groot
Skurge = Drax
Angela = Starlord
Valkyrie = Gamora
Thunderstrike = Strong Guy*

*Nods to the person on Bleeding Cool who already noticed this.

I think Angela is more like Gamora and Val is more like Starlord.

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General Chat / Re: Roseanne canceled due to being racist
« on: June 07, 2018, 12:14:14 PM »
"Colonizer" is intended as an insult to white people based on race and indicates a moral superiority to that race. It's racist. Calling someone a native isn't an insult, because that's what they are. Like calling a black guy a black guy isn't racist, because that's what he is. It's a description.
 
"Slave" and "Slaver" are also racist for obvious reasons.

Black is based off of a biological characteristics.  Both colonizer and native relate to ancestral origins. If someone, especially a white person, goes to Nigeria, see a lot of activity going on, and says “the natives are restless”, that would be perceived by many to be an insult. 

I would gather that the average person would have greatly preferred to have been a colonizer as opposed to a slave.  Words that mean nearly the same as colonizer, such as colonist and conqueror, are looked upon as positives.

So wait a sec. Do you agree that:
1. "Colonizer" is used as an insult to white people? And
2. That "Colonizer" indicates a moral superiority to white people?

I would say maybe but not necessarily.  Depends on the individual.

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General Chat / Re: Roseanne canceled due to being racist
« on: June 03, 2018, 05:14:30 PM »
Next time he brings it up I'll be sure to let him know that I'm directly responsible for freeing the slaves, as a white man declared slavery illegal and a half million of my race died for his freedom.

You all may now refer to me as Slave Liberator.

If you kidnap someone, hold them hostage for a month and decide to release them, you will not be referred as that person’s liberator.  You’re a kidnapper who changed his mind.  A third party would have to be the liberator.

And the Civil War was fought over economics, not slavery.  Ending slavery was a byproduct.

The half a million number includes Union and Confederate deaths.  Roughly 280,000 white Union soldiers died along with around 40,000 black soldiers.

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