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ICT / Re: Dr. Fate VS Superman
« on: September 24, 2018, 11:54:40 PM »
Superman has straight been said to be more powerful than Dr Fate and has straight up destroyed characters who no sold Dr Fate and koed him (Ultraman) pre crisis.

Even post crisis Superman has been given nods over Fate but it's close.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 24, 2018, 11:44:10 PM »
And Taskmaster (Daredevil and Deadpool's bitch) can get upper hand on Cap?

LMAO

How is he Daredevil's bitch? Daredevil tricked him and he got hit by a car. Taskmaster would wreck Daredevil under normal circumstances.
Considering he failed three times and Matt handed him his ass twice in Daredevil 317 and 318 I don't think so.

Even you didn't deny Deadpool owns Taskmaster's ass.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 24, 2018, 11:25:09 PM »
And Taskmaster (Daredevil and Deadpool's bitch) can get upper hand on Cap?

LMAO

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 24, 2018, 11:02:56 PM »
Taskmaster said that was due to him knowing Cap's moves.

Batgirl would kick Cap's ass.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Norman Osborn vs Lex Luthor (prep war)
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:10:53 PM »
Lex stomps.
From prison, Norman Osborn was able to become a leader among the heavily monitored Thunderbolts, managed to pull a PR stunt during an Earth apocalyptic type invasion, was able to use that to become one of the most popular men in America, became the leader of the new renamed SHIELD, got access to all of Tony Stark's property and heavily fortified armors, became the new leader of SHIELD, and became the new leader of the Avengers. As leader he was able to do things as reinstate Doom's rule in Latveria, defeat Morgan Le Fay, stalemate the X-Men (arguably), control the Sentry and transform him into a killing machine, and took down Asgard. He was also able to make most of the Avengers legit wanted criminals and had the public support him doing so.

Norman Osborn has the silliest haircut on the goddamn planet but the dude is one of the most dangerous people with preparation.
That's just one arc. Lex has done everything from becoming president to becoming omnipotent. His peers are Reed Richards and the likes, not Norman Osborn.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 21, 2018, 02:49:06 AM »
No, it doesn't. Different writers and all that shit. Nuke still had his cybernatic implants which make him so tough.

This is just like when you tried to claim that Crossbones beat a serum-less Cap to prove that Cap wasn't skilled...without revealing that Cap had an old man body at the time. This is about the 100th example of your complete lack of credibility.


Where you tried to claim SSS less Cap was A lister and cried when proven wrong, eh? Good times.
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Yeah, I'm sure that it's just a complete coincidence that the writer and artist chose to portray Nuke as out of shape and washed up when Logan beat him up, which you failed to mention when you cited it (as usual with you). I'm sure that was a completely arbitrary choice.


So injecting your own conjecture when no such thing was implied?

Good, concession accepted.
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In Nuke's other appearances, he gave DD a hell of a fight, got a power up and beat the piss out of a Wolverine who was unable to hurt him without his claws, and fought Cap for hours until he got the edge...but that one low showing where he's clearly out of shape is what you use as representative.


That was the very next showing for Nuke after he punked Rogers.

It's not like it's decades apart like your examples.
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That's why you're a joke, and why I'm not going to waste tedious time unraveling your usual lies and misrepresentations just to find one relevant or truthful point. Elsewhere in this thread, you claimed Gambit has beaten Wolverine, without mentioning that it was an explicitly diminished Wolverine after his crucifiction, and ignoring that Logan has had his number in every encounter after recovering:

https://m.imgur.com/a/myT1u


His HF was depleted but his skills were intact.

Yes, Wolverine defeated Gambit after that but still, that's a straight up loss.
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Enjoy whatever it is you think you've accomplished here. I doubt anyone believes anything you claim or gives you any credibility at all, so I'm not sure why you bother s**t posting so much on a fictional battle board about imaginary scenarios, other than Superman and Batman's reputations being excessively important to you. Bye Felicia.
Aww, Cap fanboy crying again? Good, good.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:44:15 PM »
Is that so now?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111186844/4729127-8867436466-24032.jpg

Claremont made it clear that using Iron Fist made Danny weaker. That's why he was dizzy.



I'm going to ask you a serious question: Do you not know how to read comics, or are you just trolling? Because I can appreciate a good troll, but this is just lazy.


Do you know how to read at all?
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In that scan, Danny is dizzy from Cap's slam, and tries to use the iron fist *because he was already dizzy and losing*. That's the panel and word balloon order. That's the sequence. Danny expressed no physical exhaustion before desperately trying to charge up the fist for a third time, despite paragraphs of internal monologuing about every other aspect of the fight.


Hey idiot, Claremont made it clear repeated use of Iron Fist made Danny dizzy. That's why he was struggling to summon his chi.

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This is like the 20th time you've been caught being dishonest and deceitful. I'm not sure why I should continue discussing things with you, since 75% of that time is usually spent weeding out what you're misrepresenting or outright lying about.

Like the time you showed Rogers beating an elite MA?

Oh right, you didn't.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:41:31 PM »
Because that was his debut as a villain. Nuke got more pathetic by each new showing.

Except he clearly got more powerful, and went from getting defeated after a hard fight by an A-lister and killed by a gunshot to being able to eventually defeat an A-lister after hours of fighting and tanking showers of military grade firepower like nothing.

But continue posting dishonest references. I guess you're challenging yourself to see if you can lower your credibility any further on this board.

Right, getting owned by HF less Wolverine is so much better.

So much more powerful.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:40:16 PM »
What does Nuke being fat mean here? Are you so full of shit that Nuke being bullet proof has anything to do with his beer belly?


Are you kidding? So Nuke being clearly fat and washed up had nothing to do with Logan suddenly being able to beat Nuke physically, despite the fact that the last time he tried to defeat Nuke like that he couldn't affect him at all, and got his ass kicked (needing to rely on his claws to dismember him)?


No, it doesn't. Different writers and all that shit. Nuke still had his cybernatic implants which make him so tough.

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But, yeah, I'm sure Beer-Belly out of shape Nuke was just as formidable as that version. Logan punking him for his lowest showing ever has absolutely NOTHING to do with his obviously deteriorated physical condition.

Jesus.


Could you show one proof that he was weaker and not cry?

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ICT / Re: New comic stuff worth talking about but not worth its own thread
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:40:03 PM »
We'll see how well that holds out when Hulk fights She Hulk with help from Thor, Hulkbuster Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Ghost Rider, Black Panther and Cap in two weeks time...


Cheers.
Well, Hulk is amped by absorbing Sasquatch who was apparently equal to Hulk in power.

So yeah, we will see.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:37:59 PM »
Even killer crock has taken bullets like that. Doesn't means shit in actual fights.


That's a non-sequitur. You failed to mention that the version of Nuke Cap fought was clearly and significantly amped up from his Daredevil appearance, and even the DD version was enough to give Matt serious difficulty in defeating.
Because that was his debut as a villain. Nuke got more pathetic by each new showing.

The Death of Wolverine showing is the very next showing of Nuke after he fought Cap and Falcon. You have no proof that he was downgraded by any means.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:34:54 PM »
You mean the version of Nuke who a HF less Logan (and literally less skilled) beat down like Nuke was his bitch?


LOL at you using the clearly fat, out of shape, and washed up version of beer-belly Nuke that Logan beat in Death of Wolverine and pretending that's the same version who fought Cap or even Daredevil.

Hey, guys, this is the version of Nuke abhi is talking about:



Do you care about your credibility at all?
What does Nuke being fat mean here? Are you so full of shit that Nuke being bullet proof has anything to do with his beer belly?

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:33:03 PM »
He wasn't kicking anyone ass. Danny was pulling his punches and he was exhausted fighting Wrecking Crew just before he fought Cap.


I have to laugh at you inventing exhaustion for Iron Fist, when he mentioned no such thing at all as a factor in 20 paragraphs of long-winded Claremont internal dialogue. He had trouble recharging the fist after using it twice, but that has nothing to do with his physical stamina.


Is that so now?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111186844/4729127-8867436466-24032.jpg

Claremont made it clear that using Iron Fist made Danny weaker. That's why he was dizzy.
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I also love how (your misinterpretation of) Danny's comment about Cap's basic technique is definitive for you, but Cap's direct assessment of Danny's martial arts skills being inadequate to defeat him is not. Or, for another example, Danny being unable to defeat Batroc in straight hand to hand combat and having to rely on the iron fist.


Cap said Danny is almost as skilled as Mantis but inadequate to beat him when Mantis made him her bitch.

Cap was always too full of himself.
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When all's said and done, Cap had Iron Fist punch drunk dizzy and seeing stars before Danny threw a hail mary iron fist, and then Danny freaked out when Cap was still fresh and ready to fight some more. Using that as an example of Cap being inferior is hilarious.


Danny was still pulling his punches and he was dizzy due to using Iron Fist twice.
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Right, now its lowest showing, eh?


I'm sure you're busy digging through Cap's thousands of appearances to find the lowest showings you can; I can't wait to see what kind of extreme outliers you find, without realizing that Deathstroke's comparatively scant 150 - 300 appearances mean his showings are much more definitive.


Cap has thousands of showings but can't beat a single elite MA, eh?

Cap is just mediocre then. Slade has higher highs than Cap and a better MA fighting record.
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After Slade repeatedly kicked Batmans ass and Bruce surprised him?


What does that have to do with Slade's durability? Non-powered human Bruce Wayne had him punch drunk within a couple blows, and then knocked him out with a rifle swing--all while Slade's healing factor and recovery were at their most powerful 90's Wolverine-esque, almost Deadpool levels.


Because the issue made it clear Batman was no match for Slade straight up.

Taking by surprise, even Black Widow has koed Cap.
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That's certainly more embarrassing than the very powerful mid-tier Flash Venom, who beat Spider-Man with one punch, flash KO'ing a blinded Cap.


Cap wasn't flash koed, he was out cold.

Agent Venom didn't beat Spider-Man with one punch either and Slade has taken far harder hits than Batman surprising him.
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Slade routinely tanks punches from Starfire and Donna Troy, you know the team he is most famous for?


Yeah, and we both know Cap has taken blows from all kinds of super strong people, so maybe you'll want to drop the pretense and stop playing your usual dishonest outlier and low-showing games.


And what super strong characters would those be? John Steele beat the everloving fuck out of Cap and he is barely class 30.

Cap goes down immediately when faced with a brick. Slade doesn't.
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That the best you got?


By all means, show me Cap getting shot up and punked in a prolonged gun fight by a D-list, unenhanced street leveler.


As you wish.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/lady-shiva-and-hawkeye-vs-captain-america-and-gree-1498831/

And it wasn't even a bullet, just an arrow from a partially deaf Clint.
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Because Slade has a winning record against Batman while Rogers can at best stalemate Daredevil.

Slade just has a better record against MAs than Rogers does.



Slade has a mix of more definitive wins but a greater % of worse losses/showings. Unlike Slade/Batman, Cap and Daredevil haven't been given the opportunity to fight to conclusion without extreme mitigating circumstances, so that's a bad comparison.


No it doesn't. Slade beats Batman when it matters, Cap doesn't.

Simple as that.
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That was under the same writer which had Deadpool overpowered Cap. Deadpool has also been stalemated by Punisher and chopped to pieces by Moon Knight.

He is B level at best.



You keep saying "overpowered" under the same writer because you know he didn't "win", and if it's the fight I think you're talking about, Cap kicked his ass.


No, he didn't. Deadpool had Cap by his throat and literally at his mercy.
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As to Deadpool's skills, he's also straight up beaten Frank a few times, sparing his life repeatedly, beaten the absolute crap out of Crossbones, kicked the crap out of Taskmaster multiple times, beaten Wolverine more than once, beat the dog$%$$ out of Shatterstar, stalemated Erik Killmonger for pages, etc.


Are those supposed to be impressive? Just recently Taskmaster made Deadpool his bitch along with Punisher.

Deadpool is B level at best.
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He sometimes goes into comedy mode and gets beaten for laughs, but when he's on his game he's undoubtedly A-list in formidability.


No, he isn't. Not by any metric. He survives on his HF.
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If you are talking about Nightwing 115 or something, Dick conceded that Slade would kill him in seconds and basically surprised him for a bit. 

No, that's just another time the B-list version of Dick made him look bad. Earlier in that series, when he got serious, he landed *about a dozen* unanswered blows on Slade, who couldn't even touch him while exchanging in return. This was during the same period when Dick was so ineffective Shiva could take him out in two panels, Bane owned him, Ra's owned him, etc.


Issue number?
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That's never happened to Cap when fighting a B-lister.


Like Nuke owning his ass within one page?
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Hawkeye has straight up punked Rogers.


I'm sure, whatever that means.


Haha, are you crying now?
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Logan has consistently Rogers number and almost killed him twice.


Yeah, I've seen your interpretations of those fights that no one else agrees with. In most cases where Logan has managed to almost kill Cap (all one or two of them?), it's because Logan outlasted him with his healing factor and adamantium bones.


Rogers has never even made Logan even bleed for him to rely on his HF and the last time they fought, he easily disarmed Rogers and would've killed him if not for Giant Man helping him.
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This is the same Logan who has outskilled Iron Fist, embarrassed Shang Chi at least once, and can pretty much outlast and kill almost any other A-lister at least part of the time thanks to his attributes and weapons, of course.
And who has been oneshotted by Daredevil, beaten by Gambit, stalemated by Cable, stalemated by Punisher eh?

Face it, Logan owns Rogers.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:03:33 PM »
Also this reminded me of the time Nuke punked Rogers twice.

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https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3816075-screen+shot+2014-05-11+at+9.40.26+pm.png

And Nuke is probably the biggest loser ever.


Oh, you mean the souped up version of Nuke that could take military machine gun showers like rain (see below), while the earlier, weaker version of Nuke that was *killed* with gunfire could give even an A-lister like DD a lot of trouble before being defeated?

Never stop being a deceitful clown, abhi. I'll never understand why you're so invested in fictional characters whose fights are arbitrarily decided by writer whims that you debate like this.


You mean the version of Nuke who a HF less Logan (and literally less skilled) beat down like Nuke was his bitch?



https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Death-of-Wolverine/Issue-1?id=2


Even killer crock has taken bullets like that. Doesn't means shit in actual fights.

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ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Captain America vs Deathstroke
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:00:55 PM »
Daredevil has never matched Captain America in combat for hours and had Cap say he was every bit his equal.

Daredevil wasn't using stealth hit and run tactics in a subterranean environment that he used against Cap, nor does he have access to a utility belt.


That's not what Cap said happened.
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Cap sent Batman flying with every landed hit where Batman couldn't turn Caps head.

Batman was slowing down after hours of combat. Cap wasn't, that's what happened.

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