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ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: Today at 01:02:06 PM »
If it's just to say; she isn't as strong as a solid class 100 Hulk, did the writer mean that despite being notably stronger than Hercules that she was still weaker than Thor?

Pretty fair to assume the writer wasn't talking about the times when Hulk is going all "World Breaker" or Banger McCrusher on us.

So work under the assumption that it means a reasonably angry Hulk but not notably so.  So essentially a mid-high tier class 100 Hulk?

Was Jupiter-Suit She-Hulk just a low tier class 100?

You are coming to illogical conclusions because you are starting with the illogical assumption that Slott views a typical Hulk as merely a "solid" or "mid-high tier" class 100. I don't think that is true for the majority of writers these days, and it's certainly not true for Slott as Strange points out. Slott made it very clear in-continuity that a bog-standard savage Hulk was notably stronger than Hercules. It's not difficult to see how Slott could consider Jen to be stronger than Hercules but weaker than Hulk when we know for a fact that he considers a typical Hulk to be substantially above Thor/Herc level in pure strength.


Attacks are actually waaaay down in England. England was pretty crazy with IRA attacks in the 90's IIRC.

Yeah, in terms of pure numbers the post-2001 era has been tame for terrorism by UK standards.

Those stats only take in to account fatalities too, the amount of injuries and property damage caused by IRA attacks positively dwarves anything done by Islamic terror on these shores.
That list (scroll down) only goes up to 1996 too, they were carrying out attacks near enough a decade after that.

Of course the major difference is that - for the most part - the IRA didn't seek to inflict mass casualties, at least not amongst Joe Public. Where they attacked public targets they often (not always) phoned in warnings ahead of time to allow for evacuation of civilians. They still murdered plenty of innocent people, but their MO was very different to something like the 7/7 bombings or the Westminster bridge attack which were designed purely to inflict the maximum possible number of civilian casualties.

This is the first time since 2005 that a terrorist attack has succeeded in killing more than one person though so overall you'd have to say the security services are doing a fantastic job.


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: Today at 12:35:03 AM »
Because saying she's weaker than a dynamic Hulk is kind of pointless; it only makes sense in reference "to" the Hulk's baseline.

Sorry but that's complete nonsense. Basically no-one apart from Handbook stat nerds ever refer to the Hulk's borderline-mythical "base" level (a completely calm Hulk is basically a contradiction in terms). I think it is more than safe to assume that Slott was referring to Hulk's fighting-mad strength, because that is a far more logical benchmark than a strength level that basically doesn't exist outside of Handbooks and Doc Samson.

Otherwise it comes down to whose more angry at any given day between her and her cousin; even in her normal levels really.

If Hulk is completely calm but something's got a bee in her bonnet and she's raging all psycho; yeah she'll be stronger.

I think you could count on one hand the number of non-Jupiter Suit era She Hulk appearances where she is even close to being in Bruce's ballpark. Her dynamic factor is nowhere near as pronounced as his.


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:33:13 PM »
How did she get so strong?

She had a Rocky-style training regime with Gamora as her coach. She trained in her human form which apparently led to exponential gains when Hulked out.

Out of the suit then she seems to theoretically be insanely strong, Would you say possibly twice Thor/Herc or more?

Not sure how to assess an upper limit really, she didn't have many showings without the suit. She got clobbered by a Power Gem wielder without the suit, but Slott wrote the PG at vastly higher levels than most (Champion with the PG casually stomped everyone from Surfer to Gladiator to Beta Ray Bill earlier in the series).

I would not go as far as twice Herc level but I think the clear implication of the arm wrestle was that was quite a bit beyond him. Not sure how much more specific you could be from the available evidence, I'd need to go back and re-read the arc as it's been years.


ICT / Re: Bruce Banner vs Superman
« on: March 24, 2017, 04:28:50 PM »
Banner's push has been pretty long-lasting and consistent to be fair. Years after Greg Pak got the ball rolling, Mark Waid made it clear that his Banner was smarter than Tony Stark in multiple direct comparisons.


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: March 24, 2017, 12:42:07 AM »
So the Suit dampened her? What's the detail on the suit?

Yes, it was originally designed by Tony Stark IIRC to help Jonah Jameson's son regulate his recently acquired super strength.

Reed Richards adapted it for Jen as her strength had grown beyond her ability to control. It was referenced a few times that she was stronger while not wearing the suit IIRC.


General Chat / Re: Welp; there's been a terror attack in England
« on: March 24, 2017, 12:25:47 AM »
Yeah they might want to start hiring a few security experts or terrorist experts to look at more key parts of the city that might be under-defended.

There was a good article on the BBC a while ago about "target hardening" in the city, it's something the British have historically been very good at thanks to decades of experience with Irish terrorism.

The bridges do seem like a bit of an obvious oversight with the benefit of hindsight, but ultimately the bottom line is that if a nutcase is determined to mow people down in his car he'll always find somewhere to do it, you can't feasibly protect every potential target.


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: March 24, 2017, 12:16:56 AM »
I thought she was an equal to Herc there, since nobody was winning and she threw it to end it

I think the clear implication is that she is stronger - if she was only his equal, she wouldn't be left wondering how strong she had become. She's also pretty patronising about his efforts.

At any rate, she was wearing the suit during the arm wrestle so would be definitively stronger without it.

Here's the scene for reference:


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: March 24, 2017, 12:07:32 AM »

If that's true; than honestly those sound like bad showings for Thing and Hercules more than good showings for She-Hulk.

Weaker than base-line Hulk but easily a couple times stronger than Thing, "while" weakened using one arm?

Stronger than Hercules; unless it's factoring in the whole immortal/mortal thing for Hercules, Hercules has had some good fights with Hulk over the years.

Why would you assume that Slott meant she was weaker than a base-line Hulk? A typical fighting mad Hulk seemed to be getting the better of a Thing with his strength doubled decades ago, so I don't see it as much of a stretch to see the modern era Hulk as being comfortably more than double Ben's strength.

In the modern era I think there is definitely a big enough gap between Herc level and Hulk for other characters to fit comfortably inside. Slott made it very clear that he saw the Hulk as stronger than Hercules, having Loki state it flat-out in direct comparison a few years after the She Hulk arc.


General Chat / Re: Welp; there's been a terror attack in England
« on: March 23, 2017, 10:53:49 PM »
It was really only a matter of time, you can't prevent low-tech lone wolf attacks indefinitely, only mitigate against them when they do occur. The response of the emergency services was first class it seems, though there will no doubt be questions as to why the gate guards at Westminster were unarmed. Maybe PC Palmer would have been going home to his wife and kids if they had. On the plus side it is somewhat reassuring that the culprit was armed with knives rather than firearms, whereas every similar attack on the continent has seen guns involved. We do represent a much harder target compared to our continental neighbours, god bless the Channel.

The other question mark would be why there aren't bollards separating the pedestrian walkways from the roads on Westminster bridge, which sees a huge volume of pedestrian and vehicle traffic every day. There is safety bollards at the ends of the bridge but none the entire length of it which seems risky. Pretty sure that's the same for quite a few of the bridges in London actually, I'm fairly sure there are none on Waterloo bridge for example. The areas around key sites are very well protected by bollards and reinforced barriers etc, you can't have them everywhere but the bridges do seem to be an oversight given how many cars and people cross them every day.


ICT / Re: Jupiter Suit She Hulk
« on: March 23, 2017, 10:34:51 PM »
She was definitely stronger than Hercules (she commented that she had to throw an arm-wrestle with him to save his pride or something along those lines). She was also shown as at least twice as strong as the Thing (i.e. casually lifting his max weight with one arm) even while wearing the suit IIRC.

Dan Slott said in an interview that she wasn't as strong as the Hulk though, suit or not. Of course the Hulk varies a lot so that isn't always a helpful measuring stick.


ICT / Re: MCU Iron Fist vs Cap - Had to Happen.
« on: March 23, 2017, 11:59:40 AM »
Cap wins easily.

I'd probably favour Cap against Danny, Daredevil and Punisher at the same time. He's faster and more skilled than any of them, and he's easily as strong as Jessica Jones (and far tougher in terms of damage soak).


So the new Quasar is apparently the most powerful hero on Marvel Earth by absolute MILES.

In this week's Captain America, they test a planetary shield. First they hit it with 30 nuclear warheads, which reduces the shield to 99% capacity (so 1% damage).

Next, they get Jane-Thor, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Spectrum and Starbrand to hit it with everything they have. Their combined assault reduces the shield to 92% (so 7% damage).

Quasar then steps up, and completely solo, knocks the shield down to 51% (so 41% damage) before passing out from the strain. That means her offensive output is roughly 6 times the combined offensive output of Thor, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, Spectrum and Starbrand.

Captain America compares the Quantum Bands to a Galactus or Celestial level power.

Ridiculous feat.


Fair to say that Unworthy Thor was extremely anti-climatic. Hate those fake-out covers; Thor and Thanos don't even meet, never mind fight.

Thor decides not to even try to pick up Ultimate Mjolnir as it isn't his hammer. He summons lightning to BFR Proxima Midnight and co but that's all he does combat wise in the whole issue.

The mystery figure is Hela who's game was apparently to seduce Thanos (she also kicks the shit out of Proxima).

Also, what Fury whispered to Thor to make him unworthy is finally revealed:

"Gorr was right."

That's it. Apparently Thor had never considered the possibility that gods could be vain and arrogant creatures until Fury whispered it to him in the middle of a fight and he instantly became unworthy? Weird.

At least the art is good, apart from Thanos who looks terrible for some reason.


General Chat / Re: FBI docs released: Hitler escaped to Argentina
« on: March 21, 2017, 04:22:27 PM »
Those documents were declassified years ago and absolutely do not prove that Hitler fled to Argentina.

The FBI report cited in the article says clearly in the summary that they were unable to corroborate the information and that attempts to follow up on the source's reports came back negative.

I would suggest that the author of that article needs to learn how to follow intelligence reports, and that you need to learn how to critically assess articles you stumble across on the internet.


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