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Debate / Re: Should dems try to force a Daca vote
« on: Today at 03:36:46 AM »
It’s almost as if they’re full of shit and don’t actually want to fight against Republicans.  One would think they are in the pockets of the same people.

But nah, let’s go ahead and keep voting them in.  Someday, they will stop disappointing us, surely.

Just Tube It! / Re: Lovecraft as performed by Billy Joel
« on: January 22, 2018, 04:52:23 PM »
That was a good Billy Joel impression.

ICT / Re: Another Gubz video - Live Action Punisher VS
« on: January 22, 2018, 04:49:04 PM »
Yeah, I can see Stevenson being the last guy standing and I agree that MCU Punisher beats Jane Punisher, but I'm not sure the Lundgren version lasts that long.  I'll have to go back and watch it, but I don't remember him doing anything too off the walls.

ICT / Re: Power Rangers vs Apocalypse
« on: January 22, 2018, 12:14:29 PM »
Probably not but it wouldn’t hurt to try.

ICT / Re: Iron Man (MCU) vs Darth Vader (Film Only)
« on: January 22, 2018, 05:17:27 AM »
Stane and Vanko were known, demonstrated dangers. If he's aware of Vader's capabilities and brutality, then yes, he might go straight at him. First meeting with Loki goes pretty much how you described as well, but they all knew that Loki was extremely dangerous at that point and Tony was showing off. I guess the issue is the situation in which they meet. Is Vader marching around Cloud City mowing people down, or is he having lunch with Lando? Also, that first fight in IM2 shows a very large potential weakness in Iron Man. His repulsor blasts are somewhat slow to power up (at least at that point; maybe later suits are quicker) and blockable by someone with what appears to be less sophisticated weaponry than Vader(debatable) and much slower reflexes that aren't aided by precognitive senses.

Actually, the first time he met Vanko, he knew nothing about him and just went right in, trying to blast him with repulsor blasts despite Vanko having limited armor.

Iron Man was also quick to tackle Thor off a cliff despite having an idea of who he was (i.e. not a villain).  Even when it came to human opponents such as the Ten Rings terrorist groups or the Mandarin's goons, he was quick to just come in and kill the lot of them without warning.  When he's fighting, he tends to hide his ego.  All the snarkiness and quick wit comes out when he's having normal conversations.

Vader's gloating and intimidation usually served a purpose and it was usually in Jedi fights where focus is a big issue (and where he was trying to turn Luke). In the only real fight outside of a lightsaber duel that we saw, he just walked in and wrecked shop.

If you're referring to Rogue One, I disagree.  While he didn't say anything, he still stood still in a darkened hallway, ignited his lightsaber, then gave all the Rebels a good look before going forward.  It was all very dramatic and it seemed like he was trying to frighten the Rebels (which worked), but he didn't attack immediately.  I think if he just went in and acted pragmatically, he could have gotten the Deathstar plans.
But, you're right. He does like to jaw, and if he doesn't see Tony as a threat he might waste time shit-talking. But then his shit-talking is backed by at least minor telepathy, which he uses to probe for fears and weaknesses (or that's how it's presented if not explicitly stated in the movies) and potentially amplify those fears (see Luke's terror-induced flop-sweat while hiding in the shadows Ep 6 -- I never could tell if that was just natural fear or if it was Force-influenced by Vader). Being able to bring Tony's self-doubt and regret to the forefront of his mind could be crippling. And I don't think it would take long. It took a lot of probing to bring out Luke's thoughts on Leia, but obviously Luke has the Force. The only time we see Tony endure a telepathic attack, he succumbs instantly. Of course, I'm willing to admit that MCU Scarlet Witch appears to be a much stronger telepath than film Vader.

Yeah, Scarlet Witch is more of a comic telepath while Vader is the classic version who can probe but doesn't have the mind-fuckery of the comics.  Wanda outright took control of people.  Vader can just poke around and say "Hey, you feel angry about your dad".  Luke wore his emotions on his sleeve, so Vader bringing up his fears isn't too impressive, honestly.  While Tony is a bit of a mess, I think he's made of sterner stuff.

I assume IM could easily blow through an exterior wall, which could cause serious problems for Vader. That doesn't help if they're not in an exterior-facing room.

True, but if Vader's head is the reason why that interior wall was smashed to begin with, it wouldn't matter much since I don't think Vader would be getting up.

But being inside still mostly grounds Iron Man. They could even end up in a crowded room filled with debris that almost forces hand-to-hand (dining room and furnace are examples) where Tony loses almost every advantage he had. I guess at this point the question is do lightsabers slice through IM's armor as easily as they do Star Wars blast doors

In cramped quarters with dust and chunks of debris flying everywhere, I think that still favors Tony who won't have to worry about metal and brick flying into his face and has various sensors that allow him to "see" what the human eye can't.  Meanwhile, Vader could easily be crushed by a collapsing wall, get stunned by flying debris, or just find it hard to breathe/see when smoke is surrounding him.  Remember, Tony still has an AI to guide him and his suit can at least briefly allow him to breathe in space.  It can certainly allow him to breathe at high altitude, so he's fine with a smokey room.

ICT / Re: Iron Man (MCU) vs Darth Vader (Film Only)
« on: January 22, 2018, 04:02:20 AM »
As for the durasteel feat, not only is it a fictional metal, but that was Vader at his darkest moment.  It's his Aunt May mode. 
Fair. It does show the power is there, but that level couldn't be called upon at will. It's possible that it could come out if Vader is truly afraid of dying. Or maybe he'd welcome death. I don't fucking know. Dude's fucked in the head.

As for simply slamming Vader through a wall, he'd have to get into lightsaber range to do so, and every trained force user is shown to have precognitive reflexes(from Qui-Gon is Epi1). Tony flies fast when he wants. Does he fly faster than Jar Jar's stupid tongue flick or sudden blaster bolts?

The biggest problem is that we never saw Vader against an opponent with seriously superior firepower, so it's tough to say how he'd react once the battle got going. But during the opening salvo where Tony is launching more quips than rockets (a part of his arsenal that I don't see film Vader dealing with very well), Vader will have every chance to get inside Tony's head where he is actually weakest or to use the lethal force techniques that Master and Scourge were mentioning. I suppose this depends on where Tony's head's at at the moment of the fight. Are recent MCU developments still weighing heavily on him? Wouldn't take much for Vader to take advantage of that. Then again, push the wrong button and it might backfire a la Luke in Epi 6. But I don't see any fight where Tony just starts off full bore. He just doesn't do that without a good reason.

I'm not trying to give Vader the majority or anything silly like that. I'm just saying it's not as simple as: Tony makes a quip. Vader attempts intimidation. Tony fires some lasers and realizes they don't work so well and just battering rams Vader into submission.

To be fair, Vader is just as likely to stand and gloat/intimidate before actually fighting.  Sometimes, he even pauses mid-fight to gloat.  He's a gloaty guy is what I'm saying.  Meanwhile, Stark's opening attack against Stane was to dive-bomb him through the ground.  In his fights with Vanko, he opted to blast and punch first and ask questions later.  Despite his bravado, he's quick to take his opponent out ASAP (I've been doing the "Road To Infinity War" thing by watching all the movies once a week in 2018 so the first two IM flicks are fresh in my memory).

I mean, the general consensus here seems to be that Vader could win quickly, but in a prolonged battle he'd lose more often than not. That's probably fair in a situation where Tony can fly. But with the battle taking place on Cloud City, is it indoors or out on a platform like Obi vs Jango? Because his flight, a greater advantage than his speed or possibly even strength, would be essentially nullified indoors. And I just don't see Vader pulling a "play with your food" moment in too many of those fights. He only really did that with people he was close to, at least as far as we saw in the films. Tony likes to start slow and Vader does not. IM 6/10.

Being indoors kind of favors Tony, though, doesn't it?  If he were to blast out the walls for instance, Vader would be sucked out while Tony would be fine as he could fly back to solid ground.  Keep in mind that when Vader busted a window while fighting Luke, he had to hang on to avoid getting dragged out the window as well.

ICT / BOTW - 2017 Tie Breakers: Shredder vs Snake-Eyes
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:12:51 AM »
IDW Shredder vs Marvel Snake Eyes.  Standar gear.

The Shredder



ICT / Re: Battle of the Week: Results
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:08:54 AM »
2017 Tie Breaker - Daario vs Bronn (GoT Edition)

Daario 60-80%
- 4 (80%)

ICT / Re: BOTW 2017 Tie Breaker: Daario vs Bronn
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:07:29 AM »
Even though the last one ended in a tie, the obvious winner is Daario this time around.

ICT / Another Gubz video - Live Action Punisher VS
« on: January 22, 2018, 03:05:22 AM »

The video itself is Thomas Jane Punisher vs MCU Punisher but he does briefly talk about what he would consider to be the end result of a four-way Punisher fight.*  We've done this before, but it's been a while and no one has done a youtube vid on it, so what say you?

War Zone Punisher kills everyone and the second place would apparently be to Dolph, then MCU Punisher who should be able to beat Jane Punisher.

ICT / Re: Tom Bombadil vs Voldemort
« on: January 22, 2018, 12:46:56 AM »
It should be said that even Tokien didn't seem to know what the fuck Bombadil was as he wanted to be intentionally vague about him.  He thought every good story needs at least one good mystery and Tom was it for the LOTR mythos.

ICT / Re: Iron Man (MCU) vs Darth Vader (Film Only)
« on: January 22, 2018, 12:43:00 AM »
That's just it. I don't think it would be the same. Again, I realize we don't know exactly what the material is from the movies, but "durasteel" and "duracrete" are canon still as far as I could find(they're in the Visual Encyclopedia). Would Vader's ability to crush durasteel as seen in his force tantrum in Epi 3 translate into crush the Iron Man suit? Dunno. Be he can definitely crush bone inside of the suit.

Also, he picks people up with the Force and chucks them around in R1, so there's another example of "bigger than a basketball."

I already mentioned he choked and threw a guy in Rogue One.  There's a difference between giving someone a neck lift and throwing debris as a weapon.

As for the durasteel feat, not only is it a fictional metal, but that was Vader at his darkest moment.  It's his Aunt May mode.  It's possible he could crush the bones inside the armor, but again, it's not a common move for him.  Plus, as mentioned before, Iron Man could slam him through a wall before Vader gets too far in that regard.

ICT / Re: Iron Man (MCU) vs Darth Vader (Film Only)
« on: January 21, 2018, 11:46:23 PM »
Go watch the ESB fight again

Vader uses the Force to rip a piping thing off the wall nearly as big as he is and toss it at Luke

"Nothing bigger than a basketball" wtf

This one?

Yeah, the pipe is taller, but it's also pretty slender and hollow.  It likely doesn't weigh much and I imagine of tony gets hit by it, it won't do much damage.

I think the point is less about the size of the pipe but rather that he ripped it out of the wall. Granted, we have no way of really knowing how strong the bolts/welds are that hold the pipe to the wall or what the material is from this scene alone, but it at least opens the possibility up for Vader to rip pieces of the Iron Man suit off of Stark.

Eh.  Assuming pulling a pipe off a wall in Star Wars would require the dame amount of force it would in the real world, I don’t see Vader pulling the armor apart.  Especially since that pipe didn’t come off in one go.  Vader had to kind of shimmy it before it popped loose.

ICT / Re: Iron Man (MCU) vs Darth Vader (Film Only)
« on: January 21, 2018, 10:46:36 PM »
I'm assumong this is only movie versions? No Disney animated?

Seems that way.

ICT / Re: Q heals Darth Vader
« on: January 21, 2018, 10:45:58 PM »
He kills the Emperor then searches for children.

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