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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Justice League Spoilers
« on: November 23, 2017, 12:36:53 AM »
I'm a little mystified by the doomsayers here. If JL makes 96 million - it still has the rest of the wrold's very good box office and several weeks with no competitons. Theaters need to put something in there and if nothing is out, JL will be there. I'm still convinced Thanksgiving will be better anyhow - not sensational mind you, but not bad

I'm making comparison of unicerves that burned through their good will to point out that although DC is underperforming, it's clearly in second place and making money in its genre. It's being threatened, but this film was a pivot and the common theme has been that the universe has bright spots and a lot to get rid of.

A hard reboot would be a mistake. Getting more James Wans to develop individuao franchises and make the right creative choices would be far smarter.

A hard reboot would eat up good will. Even Spiderman homecoming had trouble finding its legs and IMO that should have beena billion dollar movie. It still didn't recapture the Raimi excitement and it hadthe stench of Garfields SpiderMan.

DC has a lot of GREAT stuff to work with and a lot of trash tot ake out (Luthorrr) THis is salvegable

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ICT / Re: DCCU Superman vs. DCCU Greek gods
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:56:47 AM »
The narrrative was that Stepenwolf had failed and was forced into exile - he didn't want to give up but the armies were beaten back.

The forces he were up against were huge though - all the Gods, a GL, Atlantis, Amazons, mankind - lot of firepower

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ICT / Standard Thor versus God Mode Thor
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:55:01 AM »
As cool as the "the power was within you - the WHOLE time" motif is, I really thought Thor was more formidable with his hammer than without

Without the hamer he coud amp up some punches and shoot out lightning without help but couldn't fly and lost a defensive weapon and a ranged attack as well as a real powerful hand to hand weapon

Tho with the hammer was able to hold of Surtur's attacks. Without it he would have been incinerated

Who wins in the Thor on Thir fight?

I say hammer Thor is more formidable

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ICT / Re: DCCU Superman vs. DCCU Greek gods
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:52:13 AM »
Well, the reference was that the age of hero's might never come again and then it did - so the League is the next iteration of Gods past technically

I think i treally i writing themselves into a corner if it took the Gods, a G and the armies of mazons, Atlanteans and man and that was just Steppenwolf

That would put Darkseid squarely above the old Gods which then paints them into a corner.

Ideally Zeus and Highfather should be truly above all of them - sort of like Odin being able to remove Thor's power with a thought, but somehow removed from the regular activities of the Gods - the rest should be somewhat equal to the League or peers


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ICT / Re: movie Hulk vs movie Wonder Woman
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:47:49 AM »
She effortlessly picked up a tank and was about to drop it onto Dr Poison. Her bracers have knocked back Ares, Doomsday and are legitimate threats and powerful. Her sword cut Doomsday and her lasso held Dooms for a bit

WW is a serious threat. No shame at getting knocked around by an inane Superman who was getting his fan wank (that's me) moment

She gives Hulk a serious fight and it depends who's writing it - it would be a marvelous and funny fight.

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Loki vs Steppenwolf
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:44:07 AM »
Steppenwolf was hard to look at - I can't believe they didn't get a basic mo-cap for him. The GoT actor was good - he could have been a contender

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Justice League Spoilers
« on: November 21, 2017, 12:42:51 AM »
What's going on in Waner is pivotal - they are suits. As bad as the actual film Suicide Squad all they saw was te bottom line, the best costume awards, and the Harely Quinn outfit at Halloween and asked David Ayer back to make another dumpster fire.

Transformers and POC might not be at the top of their game - but those are still special efects spectacles trotted out to make well over 800 million to a billion. Fast and Fiurious barely made 250 domestically but took in a billion worldwiide.

I'm not saying thats a good thing mind you - I'm simply saying that Warner had better pay attention or the frachise will stay moderately good enough to possibly satisfy die hard fans, squeee out the occasional pearl and stay where its at if nothing is done in creative and getting control. A Kennedy o rFeige is sorely sorely needed

As for the doomsday prophets - if a month goes by and the film has done nothing, I will admit I'm wrong

As of right now - let's assume a 60% drop - typical for a lot of franchises. That woukd make it about 40 million to maybe a bit more. It's still Thanksgiving weekend so let's assume it might do a little better, say about 50%, that brings hhte film to around 135 million domestic with another 4 weeks with no competition at all until Star Wars.

Thats one month with a long holiday weekend that there is no competition at all for a big superhero tentpole that got a B_+ audience score

It's also a film that is scoring very very well in international markets and still has many weeks and other counties to roll ou tin.

If inernational comes in at even half-ish with the same for domestic that 281 goes to 320-330 after a week - maybe a little more after a long weekend Then it has a few weeks to struggle up to the 800 mark or so, which it likely can. There's no strong film against it and even after Star Wars it might hang around long enough to keep squeezing out extra showings here and there.
800 million is mathematically not that far off.

Considering its up to around 40 million in China and will likely make it to 120 million there while some countries havent been rolled out - if it makes 250 domestic it can certainly make up the rest abroad

As for the FF movies - kind of proves my point

They are sterling franchises with decades of rich storylines, die hard fans,mythology and a previously flourishing creative team at Marvel

In two attempts at starting a franchise Dr Doom was sullied as a character and the films were "deconstructed." I saw the second FF series in no joke an empty theater. I didn't think that was possible.

My point is - yes, DC is underperforming but there are enough bright points to have hope that it can be turned around and fans who ar excited about certain characters and ideas. Its not Marvel, Marvel is in Disney territory for now in terms of size, scope and unstoppable efficiency - but DC is still ahead of the X men, Fantastic Four, Marvels forgotten projects (Inhumans anyone Shield, Ghost Rider)

After the first 2 X Men films how long until we really saw quality again and even then, it was generally pilloried as spotty and mixed despite moments of brilliance.

I REALLY hope Warner learns from this - the next film will be a James Wan vehicle and I trust James Wan creatively and as a businessman, Birds of Prey will print money if it has an even vaguely coherent script, WW, Superman, Flash, and even Green Lantern generate a lot of excitement for their upcoming solo flicks and Matt Reeve did a great job in the conclusion to Planet of the Apes and hell be doin ng the solo Batman no matter which actor takes the lead

There's plenty to be excited about but Warner really has to make the pivot and do it correctly - I do think they see the risks and they are shaken up enough to feel the need to do so.

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ICT / Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:00:11 PM »
Flash was a touch faster but the film made sure to argue that it was close. The whole point of Flas's speed scene when he returns is that he is moving so fast that everyone is standing still ala QS when he runs - and Superman can see and follow him. he can't quite catch him, but its close enough to make it exciting.

And they race at the end?!? That was the whole point of the scene

Flash should be a litle nit faster now and it should gow as he is fleshed out, but for now he's still learning how to run without tripping

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Justice League Spoilers
« on: November 20, 2017, 06:53:29 PM »
You're not looking at it from the studio's perspective

All Marvel films are team films now - Hulk has been in 5 movies? Thor has had 3 solo and two team flicks.

All you need to do is have any one of the main hero's have a solo flick after 10 years of correct universe building and then have any of the other 800 millon per solo outing superstars co-star and throw in some minor cameos or a smattering of Marvel characters and you have a team flick. People will pay extra for Avengers because the characters they know and love have spent TEN years waiting for one threat and fans want to see how it plays out. I'm pretty sure Marvel will eventually hit a 2 billion flick

Having said that

Movies that are in the 700-900 million dollar mark before streaming and blu-ray ARE profitable. Not AS profitable as they could be nor as profitable as Marvel, ut the only other company that is as profitable as marvel are their teammates at Disney.

As much as DC is under performing remember that not that long ago Fantastic Four was an enormous franchise beloved by many and seeing Dr Doom or Galactus on screen was like waiting for Darth Vader to reappear. How'd that work out so far? If Marvel flat out buys the rights to Fox owned properties, we'l see it come back for real but at present does FF even have a comic title?

Transformers is awful but somehow its got several billion dollar entries. No one will ever accuse it of being good - but it is profitable.

DC can either learn the right lessons with the underwhelming domestic reception it got, as it likely will make it to around 800 million and turn a profit; or it can be oe of those awful franchises that makes money entirely on foreign box office and slowly dies off. I think spectacle can go very far, but it's a little early to say that DC is dead

In a movie that had two directors with one dropping out due to a family suicide, a sex scandal starring one of the leads, a lead who has been rumored to be on the chopping block for months (Affleck again) and sveral million dollars lost due to Cavill's porn star stache - who was expecting a great movie?

At my theater audiences flipped when Cavill had his best moments. They also laughed at a lot of lines that were meant to hit home even while some of the lines fell flat.

Batman is hard to write in the JLA because his role is tactician deus ex machina and he looked as underpowered as he is here.

The story is that the candle of hope has flickered out after Superman has died, inviting Steppenwolf to attempt to escape exile because earth is vulnerable again. He's a completely generic Macguffin meant to drive the team together with the caveat tat they don't have the firepower to do it and their only hope is to nring their hope and power back and save the day.

Hopelessly generic but if Superman comes back after that and he's mediocre or somber then the story loses it's meaning, however generic it is. The characters can be fleshed out in individual flicks - they're all rookies except for WW and Batman.

By the lighter portrayal, strong characterization and direction the film took, including the Danny Elfman score, it looks like WB is trying to pivot. It was a hopeless task but I saw an opportunity to improve and a franchise that's at the very least self-aware that it has problems.


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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Justice League Spoilers
« on: November 20, 2017, 01:49:55 PM »
At a 282$ million global box office Justice League is on pace to make around 800$million. Keep in mind, the release was the week BEFORE Thanksgiving and there could be a large contingent of people traveling. I expect the follow up weekend to be strong.

Second factor and what I consider to be the real risk: Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and the Furious, and Transformers are all getting higher foreign box office returns and dwindling domestic returns, They're still hitting the 1 billion dollar mark frequently on spectactle. If Warner keeps making money, and make no mistake; after you factor in blu-ray, netflix, and all other forms of income, this will be a profitable movie, they don't have much reason to change.

Creatively this was clearly a pivot, Superman's characterization alone signaled that, but Warner is missing a key component. Disney and Marvel have Kathleen Kennedy and Kevin Feige to provide consistency and who have firing auhority. Warrer has a habit of hiring great talent in casting then letting directors with awful track records make clossal mistkes and on top of that make bad creative decisions when the suits enter in.

DDC clearly needs a central figure to maintain a DC feel.

The loyalty to figures like David Ayer, whose record is spotty at best, are not helpfu Throw in your Zach Snyder's and other assorted mistakes and you have a universe that resonates on some levels, bit never fires on all cylinders

Nevertheless I saw this movie as a clear signal that they are getting the message and if course correction continues great things can happen. DC isn't Marvel, they can't be and their source material isn't prone to the same kind of direction. DC really needs its Feige or Kenedy to stay the creative course and to keep the things that have worked very well so far and trash what hasn't (Zukcerberg, Amy Adams, most of Suicide Squad,)

I would also advise against a hard Spider-Man like reboot. Even the amazing Spider-man Homecoing took a while to find its legs after too many reboots

If DC throws out the trash and keeps fan favorties (Cavill Superman, Battfleck, Miller Flash, Mamoa, WW, Harley) then the universe can be built accordingly and rebots can be discrete.

Will anyone cvare of Luthor is suddenly replaced by his hidden "real father" played by Mark Strong or Billy Zane?

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ICT / Re: movie Hulk vs movie Wonder Woman
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:55:55 AM »
For what it's worth Superman was written as significantly more powerful than in Man of steel or BvS

The entire league couldn't budge him. He effortlessly flew away with an apartment building written off as a joke, he was as fast if not faster than Flash and he saw Steppenwolf moving in slow motion before being the only league member who could effortlessly beat him to a pulp

THis is the same Superman who lifted up a tectonic late, tugged a freighter, and tossed Doomsday into space for all extents and purposes in BvS

He is clearly the most powerful conventional hero by a long shot - it's not really exaggerating to put him above Thr or Hulk by a decent margin here. The only hero who will be more powerfukl i the near future will eventually be Cap Marvel who allegedly has a power gem. We'll see

I just got back from the movie and Supes was written as a light-hearted, charismatic, top gun. IOW - his comic self. it was great.

WW is consistently written as being clearly powerful and skilled enough to give Hulk a great fight and the winner depends on who is writing the fight. I personal;y see WW as too smart and measured to not take Hulk seriously and psychically powerful enough to hurt him - but as both characters are written now WW would likely trap him in the lasso and Hulk would say something funny. End of fight

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ICT / Re: Wonder Woman super speed.
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:45:35 AM »
WW pretty clearly has super speed. Not sure how this is a debate?

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Music, Movies, Tv and Books / Re: Justice League Spoilers
« on: November 18, 2017, 10:14:26 PM »
I just got back and I really enjoyed it.

It was clearly a turning the corner movie and this felt like Superman's first appearance on film in the modern age. Nailed it in power and personality

Ezra miller was a ham as Flash, but if reigned in he could be good and I think people are being quite harsh. It took Hemsworth a lot of awful films to finally nail the tone of Thor.

Loved the characters, the film felt uneven and the villain was awful which seems to be a serious DC problem but overall it hit the rigth notes to start over

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ICT / Re: movie Hulk vs movie Wonder Woman
« on: November 18, 2017, 10:08:51 PM »
Let's not be disingenous

You cana argue for who you like but WW can certainly hurt Hulk. I think she can win but it depends on who's getting played up - she's the smartest fighter we've seen of the top tiers. Thor is skilled but reckless and stupid - which is why he's endearing.

Wonder Woman is tactically and strategically very smart, her weapons can clearly hurt Hulk and her physica power can do it as well. Hulk might be able to overpower her but I could just as easily see her outskilling Hulk

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ICT / Re: movie Hulk vs movie Wonder Woman
« on: November 18, 2017, 03:13:44 PM »
I think WW can beat Hulk but it would be a fight.

She's asmarter less reckless warrior than Thior and she has the bracers attack to drive him back to start and the type of weapons to hurt him.

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