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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 13, 2018, 10:46:55 AM »
Has Thor ever knocked Mangog teeth out by mjolnir?

Cutting things with an axe is a strength feat? Heimdall stabbed Mangog, he must be as strong as Odinson.

No, he's done more to Mangog with Mjolnir.

Why are you using Jane Thor with Mjolnir to compare Thor with his bare fists? Do you consider a charged strike with Mjolnir to be a pure strength feat?

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 13, 2018, 10:43:59 AM »
You asked for a statement of bulletproof support. I posted on the last page scans of Thor giving on panel verbal confirmation of being bullet proof.

You want me to ask a writer? How does that change anything? A writer saying Thor is bullet proof is a lot less conclusive than the current Thor writer and Avengers writer putting into script that he is.

That is a purposefully obtuse statement and has made me realize this convo is in bad faith. You have no desire to get educated on Thor's track record on piercing damage. Jane palmed the bullet directly. We see it shattering against the skin of her palm. She didn't snatch it out of the air like Iron Fist did. She even says it tickles as assault rifles are unloaded on her the previous issue.

I'm talking about Odinson. Hence the term Mister... unless you think Jane is called Mister.

1) Thor is at least as durable as Jane Thor.
2) I posted MR. THOR pointing out that he is bullet proof as well.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:22:34 PM »
You asked for a statement of bulletproof support. I posted on the last page scans of Thor giving on panel verbal confirmation of being bullet proof.

You want me to ask a writer? How does that change anything? A writer saying Thor is bullet proof is a lot less conclusive than the current Thor writer and Avengers writer putting into script that he is.

That is a purposefully obtuse statement and has made me realize this convo is in bad faith. You have no desire to get educated on Thor's track record on piercing damage. Jane palmed the bullet directly. We see it shattering against the skin of her palm. She didn't snatch it out of the air like Iron Fist did. She even says it tickles as assault rifles are unloaded on her the previous issue.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:58:53 PM »
You seem to be adopting a rather black & white view on this. Either Thor is outright invulnerable to piercing damage, or he's Wonder Woman level? There are shades of grey in between those two things, and Thor's record against bullets is clearly superior to that of Wonder Woman, which suggests he's above her in that respect, regardless of whether he's outright invulnerable or not. I absolutely don't see him as being as durable as Superman or the Hulk, but he doesn't need to be to be bulletproof, or more bulletproof than Diana at any rate.

Her record against energy and blunt force trumps his. Are we just skipping that?

It's not really germane to this thread. This isn't an overall durability comparison, this is more of a "Who's more vulnerable to the Punisher's weaponry?" comparison. We've seen Ulik basically tank everything the Punisher could throw at him, and Thor has a much better chance of replicating that than Diana does. No doubt, there are other scenarios where Diana would fare better than Thor, but those other scenarios aren't relevant here.



Titanium knife to the neck and everything.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:57:51 PM »
She already explained in comics that she vulnerable to piercing attacks. She is not invulnerable.
The onus now is one writer to explicitly state that  Odinson is invulnerable to piercing damage. As writers who take over (or do other stories onvolving Odinson) don't follow suit unless there is an official statement depicted in the comic (like Busiek somehow indicated).
Is he bullet proof? Personally I see him as bullet resistant but I would not mind him being bullet proof (piercing). However, Marvel should officially states this.
You guys should ask in twitter to get the official response.

You seem to be adopting a rather black & white view on this. Either Thor is outright invulnerable to piercing damage, or he's Wonder Woman level? There are shades of grey in between those two things, and Thor's record against bullets is clearly superior to that of Wonder Woman, which suggests he's above her in that respect, regardless of whether he's outright invulnerable or not. I absolutely don't see him as being as durable as Superman or the Hulk, but he doesn't need to be to be bulletproof, or more bulletproof than Diana at any rate.

I have already indicated that I believe Mr Almighty Thor is bullet reistant but not proof unless otherwise stated. Now the argument came about that Diana coukd not take a direct hit to the neck and rage said Thor could.
Do you believe a shot to Thor's neck wouldn't penetrate?

What do you mean stated otherwise? I posted scans of exactly just that.

It depends on the writer I guess, but Thor has a WAY better chance of having a bullet bouncing off his neck than Wonder Woman does. That much is clear based on the available evidence.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 10:57:58 AM »
Who said it must be company wide? Like I said, those "evidences" are weak sauce versus his decades of being the contrary.
For 40 years, no statement?

Like I said, you are no different from a fanboy trying to convince me who thinks otherwise?

Why not ask Busiek if his belief of Thor being NOT bullet proof has changed... then maybe I can follow suit.

For now, I do not agree with yoyr opinion that a bullet to the neck would do nothing to Odinson.

You said Marvel should make a policy, maybe even a reboot earlier. We know that's not how things work.

I posted bullets bouncing off his skin and you're saying they are weak sauce compared to what exactly? This is exactly what I mean. You made up your mind, and you want me to fail at convincing you? But since you asked for statements, here you go:


On panel statements that he is bulletproof. Oddly specific, and it makes no sense as would bullets bouncing off not be better evidence rather than a statement? Whatever, are you satisfied?

You might not agree that ALL writers would have it do nothing, which is fine, but saying that it would definitely injure him is factually wrong.

And this conversation has been only limited to BULLETS specifically. Once we include piercing damage as a whole, the evidence becomes far more overwhelming. You can probably even chart out a trend over the decades of Thor's piercing durability improving. I can think off significant piercing durability feats over the last 30 years for Thor writer that would be notable for Hulk, much less Wonder Woman.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:55:31 AM »
You want...Marvel to release a press release about it?

Since the 90s he has encountered bullets and had them bounce off for every showing but one. And the current writer of Avengers Prime and the Thor book of 5 years hold him to be bulletproof.

Btw, Thor has shown much greater resistance to piercing damage compared to Diana for decades.

How about showing us Thor taking a bullet to the neck without any armor? Like I said, one writer "thinks" Thor is bullet proof does not = ALL writers think Thor is bullet proof. Busiek already is this belief.

However, if you can show us the exact statement in comics OVER THE PAST DECADE (your words) where Thor or anybody says he is bullet proof, pls be our guest. I'm open to changing my belief just like VisitorQ did to me about Nightwing now being elite.

That's a silly assumption and one I would never make. Not all writers believe anything. That's an incredibly dumb measuring device.

What we do know is this, that the current Thor writer for the foreseeable future and the Avengers thinks he is bullet proof. That's about as good as it gets and a far better position compared to Wonder Woman who has a running theme in her own books to be highly susceptible to guns.

I thought I had? Okay, let's make this clear so I don't waste my time. What exactly do you want to see? I can show you multiple instances of Thor being bulletproof over the last few decades. I can also show you Thor exhibiting piercing damage resistance of a significant nature. How many examples exactly do you need? 5? A Dozen? How many different writers?

Usually when it comes to discussions like this, standards shift even as more evidence is presented. Let me know what yours are, and I'll tell you flat out if Thor doesn't meet them for being bulletproof.

And no, it's not a company wide policy. These things don't start with a public announcement. It's just something that changes over time slowly.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:49:47 AM »
I'd like to see Abhi try and back up his implied claim that Jane Thor is/was physically superior or more durable than Thor Odinson. She failed to demonstrate any physical advantage against him when they fought under Aaron, and even underlined that she had his power -- meaning his strength and durability -- in that scene.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2014/Issue-4?id=7708#9


Just look at both of their fights with Mangog.

Yes, she looked equal to him initially but then surpassed him in every way.
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And has Diana's skin ever withstood bullets or blades in a mainstream DCU comic BTW? As far as I know, it hasn't, but Thor's has, multiple times, as has the skin of both Eric and Jane with Thor's powers (or less than Thor's power, in the case where Eric was Thunderstrike).

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-480?id=8184#2

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-486?id=8190#4

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1998/Issue-82?id=8361#7

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2007/Issue-4?id=8372#13

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Marc-Spector-Moon-Knight/Issue-50?id=69767#12

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thunderstrike-1993/Issue-11?id=59401#18

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2014/Issue-6?id=7713#18

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Mighty-Thor-2016/Issue-10?id=83418#19
We are specifically talking about Priest. Has Priest shown Thor taking a bullet to the neck better than Diana?

Jane's last hurrah was impressive but it was her death bed showing. She also never performed anything that Thor could not accomplish when similarly pushed.
Right.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4vCPM5law7s/WjpcFD3jCGI/AAAAAAAAemM/_at6U2aLAdIQXELzpUtm603RbUT2PpzVQCLcBGAs/s1600/021_0006.jpg

Only an idiot like you can see blatant statements like this and come to that conclusion.

HAHAHA



That's your basis for her being stronger?

Spoiler Alert: Jane Thor wasn't going to beat Hercules in arm-wrestling, and Hercules has never beaten Thor although he thinks he can. She also used lightning in the contest. Clearly evidence that Thor Odinson is stronger.

What an idiot.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:48:03 AM »

Based on a neck injury?

Yes, you're retarded.


You seem to be under the impression that an injury to the neck is somehow more dangerous than a gunshot to the head?


Considering Diana took bullet to the head better, it seems so.
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Right. Thor wasn't amped. It wasn't a retcon by any means.

Thor can't resurrect dead asgardians by his power. Which he did in the starting of the arc under JMS.


In #3, Iron Man asks if Thor has been working out. He said he simply isn't holding back.


Right and how does that negates the Odin-Power?
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I can fill up 2 pages worth of feats from Thor that has been accomplished as one-offs. Resurrecting Asgardian's doesn't mean Thor was amped. He also had Thor split the Earth invoking his Gaea based powers which has never been done before.


Just show Thor resurrecting dead asgardians.
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Jane is superior to Thor throughout the run.

It's one of the main theme of the run.

No it isn't....

Mjolnir flies better for her but it's also completely sentient now. That's the only difference. Arguing that she is more durable or physically superior circumvents any kind of logic. Her body by DEFINITION cannot be superior to Thor's. She gets the POWER of Thor.


That's what Aaron showed. He had even Hercules say that she gave him more challenge than Odinson did in a pure strength contest.
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The greatest durability, strength and power feats written by Aaron so far were all performed by Thor in the Gorr arc.
And yet he fails where she succeeds.

Are you purposefully being confusing? You keep bringing up Barbatos (Where she was ALSO dropped by a bullet to the head) but repeatedly also claim that you are only comparing Thor vs. Wonder Woman on the basis of Christopher Priest.

Which is it?

As I just made clear, Thor using a new power, doesn't in itself indicate amping....

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ICT / Re: Doctor Octopus VS Loki
« on: April 12, 2018, 09:44:00 AM »
Loki 10/10. Now that the current incarnation has his magic back, even the younger version stomps.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 11, 2018, 11:14:24 PM »
You want...Marvel to release a press release about it?

Since the 90s he has encountered bullets and had them bounce off for every showing but one. And the current writer of Avengers Prime and the Thor book of 5 years hold him to be bulletproof.

Btw, Thor has shown much greater resistance to piercing damage compared to Diana for decades.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 11, 2018, 07:51:33 PM »
Going through the Wonder Woman run, and I realize that being subjected to needles does not necessarily mean you cannot be bullet resistant but this is the third writer in a few months that has had her life in danger from a gunshot:


She's clearly not very durable to piercing damage and not on par with Thor on this regard. There was gap, but it's clearly only widened in recent years. It doesn't make her any less strong or tough, but Thor is firmly bullet proof at this point. Wonder Woman is clearly not based on her new run. Not sure if any other comics have contradicted this, I've only been reading her run and JLA.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 11, 2018, 07:45:57 PM »
I'd like to see Abhi try and back up his implied claim that Jane Thor is/was physically superior or more durable than Thor Odinson. She failed to demonstrate any physical advantage against him when they fought under Aaron, and even underlined that she had his power -- meaning his strength and durability -- in that scene.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2014/Issue-4?id=7708#9


Just look at both of their fights with Mangog.

Yes, she looked equal to him initially but then surpassed him in every way.
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And has Diana's skin ever withstood bullets or blades in a mainstream DCU comic BTW? As far as I know, it hasn't, but Thor's has, multiple times, as has the skin of both Eric and Jane with Thor's powers (or less than Thor's power, in the case where Eric was Thunderstrike).

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-480?id=8184#2

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1966/Issue-486?id=8190#4

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-1998/Issue-82?id=8361#7

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2007/Issue-4?id=8372#13

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Marc-Spector-Moon-Knight/Issue-50?id=69767#12

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thunderstrike-1993/Issue-11?id=59401#18

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-2014/Issue-6?id=7713#18

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Mighty-Thor-2016/Issue-10?id=83418#19
We are specifically talking about Priest. Has Priest shown Thor taking a bullet to the neck better than Diana?

Jane's last hurrah was impressive but it was her death bed showing. She also never performed anything that Thor could not accomplish when similarly pushed.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 11, 2018, 07:43:03 PM »

Based on a neck injury?

Yes, you're retarded.


You seem to be under the impression that an injury to the neck is somehow more dangerous than a gunshot to the head?

Right. Thor wasn't amped. It wasn't a retcon by any means.

Thor can't resurrect dead asgardians by his power. Which he did in the starting of the arc under JMS.


In #3, Iron Man asks if Thor has been working out. He said he simply isn't holding back.

I can fill up 2 pages worth of feats from Thor that has been accomplished as one-offs. Resurrecting Asgardian's doesn't mean Thor was amped. He also had Thor split the Earth invoking his Gaea based powers which has never been done before.

Jane is superior to Thor throughout the run.

It's one of the main theme of the run.

No it isn't....

Mjolnir flies better for her but it's also completely sentient now. That's the only difference. Arguing that she is more durable or physically superior circumvents any kind of logic. Her body by DEFINITION cannot be superior to Thor's. She gets the POWER of Thor.

The greatest durability, strength and power feats written by Aaron so far were all performed by Thor in the Gorr arc.

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ICT / Re: Punisher vs. WW
« on: April 10, 2018, 08:08:19 PM »
Actually his running theme is that Gods are utter arrogant failures who need mortals to teach them what true heroism is.

Thor is the Greatest God who ever lived. He put that on the page so many times, it got kind of old. That's why there always needs to be a Thor in the Universe. He created a legacy greater than even himself. Stated in the comic.

And yes there is a parallel theme that Gods are shit BUT Thor is the exception, he's the one God who consistently cares, sacrifices and tries his best. The reason he is even unworthy seems nothing to do with his own value but how he views the rest of his kin. It's not even subtle:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CWTZ97nPNjswQLvEHgWBX7xJzSwf_zHOypZcMiqcqwzZ-bf2TiCenLHI45E7wWEPWMhOWU54xbCZLm83LYXYeZ22sfxITT5NM05dJasc5y31M96ib-Afiq5zORuzoeD2KKa8HQ=s0

Not that this view makes any sense at all. Marvel Gods have long ago left Earth to its own devices and have died for it many times. Hercules, Snowbird, Gaea etc.

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