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Title: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 08:10:08 PM
Cut and paste from the last two weeks.  Cena and Dean fight Orton Seth and Kane.  Again.

Repeat for next three weeks until Hell in a Cell at the end of the month.  Fuck RAW.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 08:41:03 PM
Usos and Ziggler vs Dust brothers and Cesaro in standard WWE "lets make a 3 way tag match with people that don't fit together for no reason"



I don't know why they had to make the Dust brothers heels.  Stupid move.  That's the WWE for you.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 06, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
The WWE has a few of great characters, the Dust brothers, Ambrose, Ziggler, but they do very little with them that really matters, and as much as I love Ambrose, I don't think it's enough to make me watch this tonight live.

I'll skip through it later and pick out the parts I may think interesting.

Hell, a week ago I wondered if the next PPV shouldn't happen soon, since I had already forgotten that we just had one like 2 weeks ago.
Shows how much the WWE makes me currently care about their product.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 09:21:30 PM
Brie just beat Summer with one arm tied behind her back. 

Remember Summer's first match, where everyone was impressed with her ability and talent?

Now she's getting her ass kicked and wrestling like Eva Marie...who oddly gets more TV time than Summer does.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 06, 2014, 09:24:12 PM
Brie just beat Summer with one arm tied behind her back. 

Remember Summer's first match, where everyone was impressed with her ability and talent?


Now she's getting her ass kicked and wrestling like Eva Marie...who oddly gets more TV time than Summer does.
Oh yes.
I remember that.
Then, inexplicably, she started to scream and rage like a banshee during the next match.
Never before seen such a 180° change.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
Someone pulled her aside and said "Only AJ can have in ring ability.  We want you to be more like Michelle McCool, but worse"
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
Further evidenced by teaming her with Layla.  We have Nu LayCool here.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
Holy shit, Tyson Kidd in a singles match!

Thank Total Divas for that, TJ.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 10:30:53 PM
Completely pointless.  Bring in the Rock to talk shit and then vanish for a few years.

This is why Punk left.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 11:13:42 PM
And there it is.  Cena vs Dean at Hell in a Cell.  GAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: therock on October 06, 2014, 11:36:54 PM
missed it. is Brock going to show up for the hell in the cell pay per view

Or is he going to hang in the woods or something.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 06, 2014, 11:57:59 PM
It's too early to tell right now.  The first two matches for that PPV were announced tonight.  Dean vs Cena, and the winner will face Seth.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 07, 2014, 02:59:46 AM
1. I think Lesnar getting the title was a great idea, since it puts a lot of weight back on it.
Lesnar is also depicted as a serious monster, so, whoever will beat him, will have a HUGE amount of cred.

2. Sina's shoulder tackle looks so fucking sad and weak, it's not even funny.

3. Ambrose is the goddamn best thing to happen to the WWE in YEARS.
This guy is straight amazing. I'm talking "Stone Cold For The Current Era" level amazing.
If the WWE doesn't mess this up, they have a HUGE guy here.

4. He's going to feed Sina at HIAC something fierce, and it'll probably kill all of his momentum.

5. Seth Rollins is a fantastic, smug villain, who also is a great wrestler.
This guy will go places, if WWE doesn't mess this up.


What this episode of RAW showed me is that the -next- Generation is ready, and is fantastic, on the mic, in the ring and with what ideas they come up.
I mean, fucking roll over, Hotdog vendor Wolverine, we have Hotdog Vendor Ambrose now!
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 07, 2014, 03:30:46 AM
1. I think Lesnar getting the title was a great idea, since it puts a lot of weight back on it.
Lesnar is also depicted as a serious monster, so, whoever will beat him, will have a HUGE amount of cred.

2. Sina's shoulder tackle looks so fucking sad and weak, it's not even funny.

3. Ambrose is the goddamn best thing to happen to the WWE in YEARS.
This guy is straight amazing. I'm talking "Stone Cold For The Current Era" level amazing.
If the WWE doesn't mess this up, they have a HUGE guy here.

4. He's going to feed Sina at HIAC something fierce, and it'll probably kill all of his momentum.

5. Seth Rollins is a fantastic, smug villain, who also is a great wrestler.
This guy will go places, if WWE doesn't mess this up.


What this episode of RAW showed me is that the -next- Generation is ready, and is fantastic, on the mic, in the ring and with what ideas they come up.
I mean, fucking roll over, Hotdog vendor Wolverine, we have Hotdog Vendor Ambrose now!

Additional thoughts to HELL IN A CELL.

Sina will win over Ambrose cleanly.
Wrestling sites have reported extensively about Vince aggressive need to make Cena look strong again, after he got so devastated by Lesnar, which explains why he did run roughshod over the Wyatts a half dozen times since then, then he lost the rematch as well.
That it was due to interference doesn't matter. Vince will not have him lose 3 PPVs in a row, and to look strong he needs to win cleanly.
So, Ambrose is the sacrificial goat here.
(http://whatistheexcel.com/wooobooru/_images/6d77c7181c0971a41a9d650d61004057/16506%2520-%2520Raw%2520autoplay_gif%2520bad_news_barrett%2520frowning%2520gif%2520laughing%2520smiling%2520suit%2520wade_barrett%2520wwe.gif)

Then the match against Seth Rollins.
Only two options.
1. He'll WIN due to outside interference (Orton/Kane); or
2. He'll LOSE due to outside interference (Ambrose).

There's no other choice here.
Vince is not imaginative to come up with anything else.
Most likely it'll be Ambrose, so they can keep pushing Cena/Ambrose feud for a while, and have Sina properly bury the new-up-comer.
Then he'll do the same to Rollins.

Personally I'd love for Bray Wyatt somehow entering the HIAC match, and being the dark horse, coming out as the winner, leaving everyone shocked (Sina, Ambrose, Rollins), and making things unpredictable again.

Not going to happen though.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 07, 2014, 04:18:48 AM
The best from tonights RAW

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/5dd346ef6b3d4a2229ffa820250b01ce/tumblr_nd1sdrr03c1saykaxo1_r1_400.gif) (https://31.media.tumblr.com/aee8c43d4a513933b97c2b628587d010/tumblr_nd1sdrr03c1saykaxo2_r1_400.gif)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/d9f6c472b0b848ee2b14aff528234c32/tumblr_nd219vebgg1szvd2fo1_400.gif)(https://33.media.tumblr.com/aee58e3e5e2e73b4b48deae417ba517a/tumblr_nd2142dWrs1saykaxo1_400.gif)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/55a9e3a3b7ca8369650dbf19c763b793/tumblr_nd20wrQXi51saykaxo1_400.gif)

The best
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Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Bandido on October 07, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
Rock returns at full power:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2222975-the-rock-returns-to-wwe-programming-during-monday-night-raw
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: therock on October 07, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
damm necro signiture remind me how insanly buff Stephanie is

not that I am complain, she still hot. But do her whole family just constantly challenge each other in arm curl competitions.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Bandido on October 08, 2014, 12:00:34 AM
Rusev took the mic, my kid just said " bad idea, guy. You are not matching words with the Rock..." :)
Your kids a hero.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on October 08, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
Completely pointless.  Bring in the Rock to talk shit and then vanish for a few years.

This is why Punk left.

If that is indeed the reason why Punk left, he is a bit of an egomaniac.

The Rock came here on Monday and Brooklyn is still buzzing about his appearance!

That is charisma. That is star power. That is the mark of an icon.

If the Rock was being forced upon the audience in the way that Punk is contending then The Rock would never be embraced the way he is. The fact that people like The Rock, Austin, Lesnar and to a lesser extent Y2J can all come back and own the spotlight is an indictment of the present stars. Not a reflection of Punk being buried.

Could you imagine any of the aforementiond stars being outshined by their predecessors in their prime?

Rock, Austin, HBK, Y2J, RVD, Angle etc. they all held their spot when older stars came back for a run. Punk has to admit to himself that he is not on the level of the all-time greats, at least not yet.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 08, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
Completely pointless.  Bring in the Rock to talk shit and then vanish for a few years.

This is why Punk left.

If that is indeed the reason why Punk left, he is a bit of an egomaniac.

The Rock came here on Monday and Brooklyn is still buzzing about his appearance!

That is charisma. That is star power. That is the mark of an icon.

If the Rock was being forced upon the audience in the way that Punk is contending then The Rock would never be embraced the way he is. The fact that people like The Rock, Austin, Lesnar and to a lesser extent Y2J can all come back and own the spotlight is an indictment of the present stars. Not a reflection of Punk being buried.

Could you imagine any of the aforementiond stars being outshined by their predecessors in their prime?

Rock, Austin, HBK, Y2J, RVD, Angle etc. they all held their spot when older stars came back for a run. Punk has to admit to himself that he is not on the level of the all-time greats, at least not yet.

It has more to do with the fact that WWE relies on its old greats rather than create new ones.  What modern WWE personality has the power over the audience that The Rock, Austin, Angle, HBK, etc have over the audience?

The WWE refuses to use and advance the talent is has, and create names as big as the ones you and I mentioned above.  They'd rather bring back Batista to win the rumble last  year, for example.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: therock on October 09, 2014, 02:11:40 AM
Daniel bryant pretty up there
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 09, 2014, 02:17:35 AM
...Which only happened because WWE literally had no other choice.

Rumor is they did it to piss Punk off.  Sort of like a "this could have been you" in reaction to him leaving.

And he isn't anywhere near the level of the people I mentioned yet.  If he even comes back from injury, the fucking hippie.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 09, 2014, 02:27:30 AM
Plus it didn't help that PPV sales were in the shitter.  Then again, how many times do they think people can watch a title swapping fest between Cena, Orton, and Sheamus?  That's all we were getting until DB came up in the world.  And those PPVs sucked too because of the constant screwing with fans with the results.  DB fought Orton like, three PPVs in a row and most of them had bullshit results, or a title being taken away the next day.

Then we unify the belts for no reason, and it takes almost a year before they finally just make a new belt and throw the other one in the trash.

The downside there is one of the guys who would normally be holding one of the belts that got unified, takes away a belt that was meant for people who matter.  That being Sheamus with the US title or whatever the fuck he has now.  Which was previously held by a shield member for like 5 years who never had to defend it, and people forgot it existed because of that.


Jesus WWE fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 09, 2014, 02:37:35 AM
WWE could be better.

I wanted to comment on the Rock/Bryan stuff.

WWE cant make a Rock, or an Austin etc. or eve a Bryan. Only the fans can.
WWE can just put guys out there, and even then, smarks complain about people being over pushed.

Because they won't push anyone the fans like! 

Cena is their top guy, who everyone over eight years old hates.  Orton is a good bad guy, but again, with the top spot limited to so few people, it doesn't work.

Finally we are building up each individual Shield member, but more needs to be done.  And it is too soon to tell if anything will come of it.  Look at what Bray Wyatt was when he began, and what he's become now.  Pointless feuds that did nothing for his character, and now he's a nobody again.

Rusev is a beast, and he's stuck fighting losers like Mark Henry and Big Show, two guys who already had a long career and don't need to be advanced by beating him. 
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 09, 2014, 04:35:21 AM
I loved the Rock/Rusev/Lana segment all around. Lana is mega hot and a damn fine mouthpiece. They should keep her managing longterm. Cesaro or even a heel turned Reigns in the future could be interesting clients. Just keep her away from the dead end divas division.

Speaking of, both top feuds there are awful. The Bellas are not top of division material. Paige vs AJ has dragged on too long for something that hasn't clicked.

I agree with Rusev being a beast. He's an interesting big man with a cool moveset. I'm pretty sure Show will put him over. He better ffs. Rusev though is more agile and faster in the ring than some smaller guys so taking on trucks like Henry and Show slows him down. 

It's too bad the E does not care more about the midcard and it's titles because it is one of the stronger roster points. Ziggler vs Miz was a well done feud and Mizdow is pretty funny.

Bray needs an almost total rebuild. They fucked up there. Harper is good too but does not have as much upside as Bray. The Wyatts should not have jobbed in so many tags to teams like Show/Henry.

I thought Summer Rae had potential. Decent worker who had good rivalry with Paige in NXT and is among the better female personalities they have. But now I fear she is (http://s23.postimg.org/mkzfkxt93/e_P1_D4.png).
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 09, 2014, 04:59:11 AM
I thought Summer Rae had potential. Decent worker who had good rivalry with Paige in NXT and is among the better female personalities they have. But now I fear she is (http://s23.postimg.org/mkzfkxt93/e_P1_D4.png).

What's funny is that her character has changed based on how we are supposed to perceive her in Total Divas.  The problem is, she comes off as being attacked and ganged up on by the shittier, bitchy divas.  Nattie talks shit about her constantly, and she's the face?  How the fuck does that work?
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 09, 2014, 05:17:44 AM
It's especially ironic when you consider that despite her rather high workrate, Nattie always struggles to get reactions unless she is in Bret Hart country. And sometimes even there.

They view the divas as throwaway gossip material. Cameron, Rosa, and Eva would not make one decent talent if you combined them. They do have some promising female NXT talents. But Flair's daughter is probably the only one they will allow to look decent.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: therock on October 10, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
WWE could be better.

I wanted to comment on the Rock/Bryan stuff.

WWE cant make a Rock, or an Austin etc. or eve a Bryan. Only the fans can.
WWE can just put guys out there, and even then, smarks complain about people being over pushed.

Because they won't push anyone the fans like! 

Cena is their top guy, who everyone over eight years old hates.  Orton is a good bad guy, but again, with the top spot limited to so few people, it doesn't work.

Finally we are building up each individual Shield member, but more needs to be done.  And it is too soon to tell if anything will come of it.  Look at what Bray Wyatt was when he began, and what he's become now.  Pointless feuds that did nothing for his character, and now he's a nobody again.

Rusev is a beast, and he's stuck fighting losers like Mark Henry and Big Show, two guys who already had a long career and don't need to be advanced by beating him.

Who left for Ruseve to fight and beat though

That on a high level but still can tap out to Rusev withouth their stocking going down
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 10, 2014, 12:59:12 AM
There are plenty of people Rusev can fight.  Think about that for a second.

I mean Reigns could do it, but I don't see that as a good fit.  Swagger made sense, but he lost so that's over.  Cesaro would be a good one.  Hopefully not Sheamus or Cena.  Big E is another guy, remember him?  I almost forgot him, because he vanished from TV.  Same with Ryback, who people were actually starting to like again.


There are plenty of people.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: therock on October 10, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
There are plenty of people Rusev can fight.  Think about that for a second.

I mean Reigns could do it, but I don't see that as a good fit.  Swagger made sense, but he lost so that's over.  Cesaro would be a good one.  Hopefully not Sheamus or Cena.  Big E is another guy, remember him?  I almost forgot him, because he vanished from TV.  Same with Ryback, who people were actually starting to like again.


There are plenty of people.

Reigns crippled for now
and he already went through big e
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 10, 2014, 02:14:32 PM
Rusev could continue getting bigtime heat by beating Dolph Ziggler. The fans like Dolph and I'm betting the matches between them would be pretty sweet.

My best guess though is that after he beats Big Show, Rusev may be on to Shaemus. It's either Rusev or Miz for Shaemus next. I thought they would drag out Rusev eventually going over Show until at least HiaC. That could still go down but Rusev is going to face Show on Raw monday. Have to see how that turns out first.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 10, 2014, 08:48:06 PM
A shame Show wont beat him.

How is that a shame?  What would be the point?
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 10, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
Show will get his heat back by beating Mark Henry after their inevitable split.  :D

Meanwhile Rusev should be another step closer to becoming their big monster heel of the future. Main guy I am a bit worried about there is 
(http://s24.postimg.org/qoikuob0x/48295416.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qoikuob0x/).
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 11, 2014, 02:58:58 AM
Show will get his heat back by beating Mark Henry after their inevitable split.  :D

Meanwhile Rusev should be another step closer to becoming their big monster heel of the future. Main guy I am a bit worried about there is 
(http://s24.postimg.org/qoikuob0x/48295416.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qoikuob0x/).

So, I watched Smackdown, and, am I the only one worried whenever Sina talks his opponent up?
He did the same thing with literally everyone he faced, and each time he buried them hardcore after.

On a sidenote, the match of Sina v.s Ambrose has the contract hanging from above.
Perfect timing for Bray Wyatt to come in and snatch it up at the height of the match.

(http://www.wrestlenewz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/the-shovelers.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 11, 2014, 06:18:22 AM
If one dislikes what Cena has become, much of the blame goes on decisions years ago to focus on kidding the product down even more. It helped turn Cena into the wrestling version of a simplistic repetitious cartoon character. It also sticks the product with someone that Vince and Co. are afraid to allow others to look peerish to even when it makes sense to do so. Instead it's tap down the up and comers and put out t-shirts and hats in masses of colors as a central strategy.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 13, 2014, 08:10:26 PM
10/13 RAW

Cena is screaming again.  Nobody cares.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 13, 2014, 08:34:58 PM
Same exact match we've seen 50 times already.  Except it was a triple threat, but really it wasn't.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 13, 2014, 08:51:14 PM
Welp, they pretty much confirmed now that Dean will lose against Cena, and then fight and win against Orton, because not even the WWE can be dense enough to think we want -yet- another Cena/Orton match.

Wyatt Promo.
He set his guys free again, and then we got a shot of a pregnant woman's stomach with "It's coming" written on it.
Now that is curious.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 13, 2014, 11:50:51 PM
CENA VS ORTON!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 14, 2014, 02:39:37 AM
I quite liked Orton vs. Ziggler.
I was surprised about the quality of the match, as well as the storytelling.
I am not sure anyone will share that opinion, considering how hated Orton seems to be, but...
(http://i.imgur.com/FT7Ryvx.gif)

The budding rivalry between Rollins and Orton is something I find rather interesting as well.
I'd be ok with seeing these two getting into it.

Although... anyone else irritated how they used the current belt holders to make certain people look good?
Dust brothers being pinned by Cena/Ambrose, IC belt holder pinned by Orton.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 14, 2014, 04:12:52 AM
I too thought Randy's match with with Dolph was nice. I don't even disagree with the result. Ziggler is probably never going to be seen as an elite guy by Vince and keeping Randy credible is just more important atm. A win over Ziggy here makes sense.

What you said at the bottom though is what bothers me some. The midcard belts just look like shit. The tag, IC, and U.S. title holders all lost on the same show. I get Shaemus to a point since they wanted to feud him and Miz months ago and that seems where they are heading now. Sides Miz brings controversy to a belt and the U.S. strap is dead under Shaemus. But the Usos could have take the pin in the tag three way and Dolph does not really need the IC belt to be fed to guys higher up the card.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 14, 2014, 04:17:44 AM
Wonderful how being IC Champ has in no discernible way improved his standing  :'(
And yet you got Sheanus holding the belt doing nothing; not ever building up a feud with a red-hot monster heel whos entire shtick is that he hates Amerika

EDIT : A fan took a selfie with Ziggler when he was leaning against the barricade. I'm totes jelly.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 14, 2014, 04:38:33 AM
Shaemus and Rusev could have some good matches too I bet. I was kind of hoping Rusev would win the U.S. belt and then rebrand it the Russian Federation Championship or something along those lines.

Then again given how badly most midcard belt holders have fared in recent times and that I view Rusev as a future star if they handle him well, maybe it's for the best he just keeps kicking ass and doesn't win what usually amounts to a deadend title.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 14, 2014, 04:43:09 AM
Shaemus and Rusev could have some good matches too I bet. I was kind of hoping Rusev would win the U.S. belt and then rebrand it the Russian Federation Championship or something along those lines.

Then again given how badly most midcard belt holders have fared in recent times and that I view Rusev as a future star if they handle him well, maybe it's for the best he just keeps kicking ass and doesn't win what usually amounts to a deadend title.
Eh, he might be able to bring some prestige to the belt. Maybe get some more Russian wrestlers for goons and star up a Soviet Nation of Domination. Probably end up getting buried by Cena.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 14, 2014, 04:52:12 AM
Shaemus and Rusev could have some good matches too I bet. I was kind of hoping Rusev would win the U.S. belt and then rebrand it the Russian Federation Championship or something along those lines.

Then again given how badly most midcard belt holders have fared in recent times and that I view Rusev as a future star if they handle him well, maybe it's for the best he just keeps kicking ass and doesn't win what usually amounts to a deadend title.
Eh, he might be able to bring some prestige to the belt. Maybe get some more Russian wrestlers for goons and star up a Soviet Nation of Domination. Probably end up getting buried by Cena.

I worry a tad about John eventually burying Rusev and I don't see a good reason for it.

Cena does not need another scalp. Otoh the E do need some monster/physically imposing heels for the future. Their current group is either already finished, part-time, or will be gone soon.

Besides I want to keep seeing Lana doing something worthwhile, ie managing. She is good at it and the divas division is all but career death these days.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 14, 2014, 05:30:20 AM
So Daniel Bryan has to give up the belt because he won't be around.

Then Lesnar gets the belt and vanishes.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 08:02:27 PM
RAW 10/20

Will we see new, unseen matches such as Usos and one random guy vs Dust Bros and one random guy?  Will Cena and Ambrose team up again in an event never seen before on television?

I'm so excited to see what new, creative turns the WWE will take this week on RAW!
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 08:21:04 PM
And here we go again.  6 man tag match.  Sheamus and Usos vs Dust Bros and Miz......again.  (Yea Miz is different than Cesaro, but who fucking cares, this shit is stupid)

Lets continue to make all of our champions look like shit.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 08:32:21 PM
Well Mizdow got them the win, but not before making the tag champs once again look like absolute shit.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 09:37:58 PM
And the Rusev/Show angle, just when you think it can't get more retarded, it does.

Playing up to the hicks in Kansas.  And the "American Soldier" BS.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 09:50:52 PM
Summer vs Brie. 

At least Summer gets out there again.  She's good at selling Brie's fucking horrible offense.  And Brie is great at falling down long before Summer's roundhouse kick comes anywhere near her.

Great commentary during the match as well, talking about Total Divas rather than the match at hand.

Brie screaming like a moron again.  Enters Brie mode and FAILS!  But it doesn't matter because Brie wins anyway.

Fuck the Bellas.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 20, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Srsly.
I want to bury my cock between Nikki's breasts and never leave.

That said, Brie mode is the most idiotic thing ever, because, like you said, all she does is screech loudly once, then goes on a ultimate-warrior offense.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 20, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
...That have "paid for and owned by John Cena" tattooed on them.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 21, 2014, 02:01:10 AM
And the Rusev/Show angle, just when you think it can't get more retarded, it does.

Playing up to the hicks in Kansas.  And the "American Soldier" BS.

They should have Rusev win the U.S. title and then do a segment with Lana and him destroying it and tossing the remains in a garbage bin. The heat would be amazing.

Just make sure they leave the arena in bullet proof vests.


Nikki's got a tight body though.

Mizdow getting cheers is awesome. Miz rationalizing he was actually getting the cheers was abhi in a Superman thread level living in denial.

Miz is an A lister.
(http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/10/21/tumblrlgbinlBeoY1qf8yek.gif) (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/ogz)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2014, 03:00:54 AM
I only now got a chance to glance into RAW, and... wtf was up with the Ambrose segment?
That was... weird.

Mick Foley was awesome though.
Loved to see him back, because I know Ambrose is a huge fan of his, so he probably geeked out inside.

Holy shit, Orton nearly skewered himself on one of the turned over tables.
This guy has the worst luck with that kind of thing.
He just so caught himself before one of those things cut into him.

1. I hate Sina's weak ass shoulder tackle.
That thing looks so terrible.

2. Orton can turn EVERYTHING into an RKO. I love that.

3. Seth curbstomping Orton was a really neat idea.
I look forward to see something come from this.

That said, 90% of this RAW was godawful.
Thanks Vince.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2014, 04:22:59 AM
LET'S GO, SINA! SINA, GO!
(http://i.imgur.com/8fuQDut.gif)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 21, 2014, 05:02:59 AM
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/NorthLeaf10/rusev-kicks-soldier_5126196_GIFSoup.com%201.gif) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/NorthLeaf10/media/rusev-kicks-soldier_5126196_GIFSoup.com%201.gif.html)

That is what happens when you try to mess with Mother Russia.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 21, 2014, 05:44:37 AM


Holy shit, Orton nearly skewered himself on one of the turned over tables.
This guy has the worst luck with that kind of thing.
He just so caught himself before one of those things cut into him.


I noticed that, too.  He just caught himself before he fell on top of it, and looked pretty pissed.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2014, 06:58:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IjaxgTw.gif)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 08:36:49 PM
Hey, who wants to see Big Show and Mark Henry feud again.  No one?

TOO BAD!  BIG SHOW MARK HENRY FEUD!

---WWE Creative
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 27, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
Actually, they had pretty good matches. And if it gets us back to Mark Henry splitting wigs and DAT'S WHAT I DO! Then I'm okay with it.

Oh, and Ryback's...back. And poor Bo Dallas. He needs to just stay on Smackdown. The Bookers there actually try to make him look strong. :)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Actually, they had pretty good matches. And if it gets us back to Mark Henry splitting wigs and DAT'S WHAT I DO! Then I'm okay with it.

Oh, and Ryback's...back. And poor Bo Dallas. He needs to just stay on Smackdown. The Bookers there actually try to make him look strong. :)

I seem to remember the fans chanting BOOOOORRRING during the last Big Slow/ Henry PPV match.  Because it was.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 11:07:41 PM
And the whole locker room comes out.  Yay.

Titus Oneil is fighting Big E, and hey, there's Tyson Kidd!


Where's Fandango? :(
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 11:10:58 PM
Personally I hope Cena is seen talking to someone off camera about joining his team, and then camera then pans to Fandango, who then says "Sure, I'll be a part of your 4-way" in his sleezy voice.

Fuck me Fandango is the best.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 27, 2014, 11:18:46 PM
Fandango is gone and won't be coming back.
Let it go, Liquid.
Let the pain flow out of you.

Try to ease it with some of the new Sina Merchandise.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 11:25:22 PM
That hasn't been confirmed.  If he was fired, they would have told us already.

They wouldn't just keep a guy off TV for this long, and then fire him.



Like they did with Evan Bourne....and Brodus Clay.....


HE IS NOT FIRED!
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 27, 2014, 11:46:38 PM
Well, he came out of NXT, and a quick check of today's RAW let me see that Bo Dallas was squished by Ryback, and then later again by Sina, so, yeah.

I wish Fandango was back and given something worthwhile to do, but I have no faith in the current product.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 27, 2014, 11:56:03 PM
It just worries me that there is no news on him anywhere, his twitter has been dead since August 7th (though he did tweet something in October, which ended up getting a bunch of people saying they missed him and where was he, before that tweet got deleted)

Something's not right.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 28, 2014, 12:25:21 AM
That is what he gets for rejecting Summer Rae.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 28, 2014, 01:29:20 AM
If Henry had taken this attitude earlier he might have beaten Rusev...

Let us look at this logically, shall we?

Mark Henry boinked Mae Young and she gave birth to a hand.

Rusev boinks
(http://i.imgur.com/LYKXymI.jpg)

and someday Lana will give birth to the next
(http://i.imgur.com/vIFGaLj.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Necro on October 28, 2014, 02:24:21 AM
Alright, watched the whole thing now, and I can say...
Wtf.

They really want us to buy Sina in the role of "Stone Cold" vs the Authority?
No one buys that for a single second.
This would be the role that would be perfectly suited for Ambrose instead.

Oh, I forgot, Ambrose got cheated out of his win yesterday, then Sina got a match with Rollins anyway today.
Then suddenly the whole locker room comes running out, which they never did before, because HHH was threatening to fire them if they interfered with anything ever, only to have Sina pretty much own the shit out of each and everyone.

As much as I like Ambrose, btw, I really have no clue why the hell they had him bury Cesaro of all people.
That was so bad.

I liked Orton's ...face... turn though?
Not sure it is that. If he's going back to unpredictable, I'm going to enjoy him more.
I have the feeling his promo was fuelled by true resentment and frustration about the direction creative is taking everything, and him not being allowed to take time off.

All in all it was another shitty Raw after an equally shitty HiaC.

PS:Ambrose vs. Wyatt, while a nice idea, still makes no sense.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/723/501/330.gif)
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: Imperial on October 28, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
It's Cena's world.

The rest of the roster and fanbase just exist in it.
Title: Re: Raw thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 31, 2014, 08:10:59 PM
We will make this the smackdown topic as well.


I turned this on 8 minutes after it started and see a divas battle royal going on.  I didn't see Summer at all so I assume she got eliminated before I turned it on.  How sad.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 03, 2014, 08:11:03 PM
No chance, that's whatcha got...

Vince returns and talks about how great he is.  And apparently the Authority will no longer have any power if Cena's team wins at survivor series.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 03, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
What a night.  Not only do we see Tyson Kidd in a match, but we see Emma as well!

Emma jobs to Shitty Bella.  Tyson Kidd beats Sheamus by treating Nattie like Sensational Sherri and throwing her in harm's way for the count-out win.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 03, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
I really don't want to see Big Slow VS Fat Henry again, either.

These guys are slow, boring, and shitty.  Perfect material to offer up on a free PPV to try and get people to subscribe...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Team Authortah:

Seth Rollins
Corporate Kane
Joey Mercury
Jamie Noble

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 03, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
Rusev just became U̶n̶i̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶S̶t̶a̶t̶e̶s̶  Russian Federation Champion!

That last Raw segment with Rollins and Orton was great btw. Show was good tonight I thought. No Cena + less divas = winning formula.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2014, 11:50:34 PM
Can I ask a question? Why would anyone on this planet want to team with Cena? He's a horrible tag team partner and he's going to no be there for you so you'll probably be severely beaten by numerous others. Repeatedly.

And Russev winning might mean that--

Eh, the belt still won't matter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 04, 2014, 12:13:33 AM
I'm surprised they let it change hands off TV.

I guess they assume everyone is taking advantage of that WWE network being free.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 04, 2014, 12:55:11 AM
Eh, I'll just use YouTube for free. :)



Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 04, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
Ok, just caught up on the show and ... hm, alright, Vince appearance at the beginning, while it set the tone for the rest of the show, which was good, was... weird. I mean, he went out there, and, for no reason at all, "upped the stakes", but did not put something on Team Cena in equality, to make it more important for both sides to win.

It just felt out of the left field, and it felt like the audience wasn't sure what to do with it either.
I expected Steph and Hunter to flip out, but they both just kept on smirking, which, I feel, really ruined it.
They should have exploded in a fury about it.
It really felt like it lacked gravitas this way.

I think Ziggler said what everyone felt, even if it just led to him being on the short end of the stick, again.
Once more he lost, which was to be expected, again, but I really liked Orton coming in and preventing a belt switch, while at the same time giving his character some personality for the first time in AGES.

The funny thing is, what HHH said about Cena and Team Cena to Ziggler?
It's the truth.
Cena would not be the one to get pinned for the loss.
It would be one of his co-partners, and most likely Ziggler.
In that regard he was actually the -face- here in his conversation with Ziggler, as amazing as that is.

That said, both Ziggler vs. Rollins and Orton vs. Rollins were pretty good.
Seth Rollins plays a fantastic heel, you really have to give him that, and he puts on great performances when he is in the ring.
The only downside is that they are often predictable in the way they end, which takes a lot of power and interest out of them, at least to me.

For example, I knew that Ziggler would lose, so there was no emotional investment in the fight for me.
As long as that is the case, it really hurts the product.

I really liked the Orton turn at the end, where he beat up the whole team (HHH still didn't take an RKO unfortunately), and the blood on his forehead was a nice touch. The Equipment around the ring just -hates- Orton, because if it doesn't try to kill him, it at least wounds him in some way.
At least it made it really look vicious, and sold him being defeated and beat down well.

Of course now he's off for like 3 months filming a movie, which pretty much will kill the hype he generated today.

Also
(http://i.imgur.com/XXKo0ln.gif)

The fact that they had Rusev gain the belt AFTER the show is a travesty though.
It shows how little value is in the belts at this point, which makes it clear why the audience doesn't respect them either.
I mean, creative/Vince cannot even be bothered to have a belt change ON screen?
The belt holders get jobbed out to hell and back? Ziggler fed to Rollins, Dust brothers fed to El Matadores of all people?
This is just awful.

Rusev vs. Sheamus
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1kgHwCIgAAwBGM.jpg:large)
Truly, the audience cared.
This looks like straight out a TNA show.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 04, 2014, 01:39:05 AM
I'm surprised they let it change hands off TV.

I guess they assume everyone is taking advantage of that WWE network being free.

Yeah they are desperate for more subscribers, so giving away a title change and announcing the match for after Raw was done for the same reason Vince was on tonight. They aren't meeting expectations.

It's a shame Orton is leaving now given how well that last segment came off. But then Ambrose was gone for a little while and Dean vs Seth was still hot when he came back.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 04, 2014, 01:46:11 AM
Which means Cena is going to get in there post-haste!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 04, 2014, 01:59:48 AM
Their product might have a chance to grow again when they awaken to the reality than not everything (save Brock Lesnar so far) has to revolve around John Cena winning in the end. Rollins does not have to be halted by Cena. America does not need to be saved from Rusev by Cena.

Seven year olds will still want the next Cena shirt even if he is not involved in every story thread.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 04, 2014, 03:24:25 AM
To work the kiddies into a lather, the Survivor Series main event will probably go down something like :

Ziggler and Shaemus get the crap beat out of them by the heels and are eliminated quickly.

If he is there, Orton bravely fights and manages to take one person out before succumbing.

Down 4 to 1 Cena stages a miraculous comeback after kicking out of everyone's finishers multiple times and wins for his "team."
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on November 04, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
THAT was a great RAW.

The Orton face turn was done perfectly. They also elevated Rollins at the same time by having him win clean. That is great booking!

Now, for Rusev they need to have a new belt made by Millican and have a big ceremony around it. They can build on the momentum if they do it right.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 04, 2014, 05:59:11 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iEFLlW3OCRjtw.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 04, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
Cena needs Fandango on his team.  And he'll do what Roman Reigns did last year and eliminate an entire team by himself.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 10, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
Huh. Nevermind the Ryback push then.  Off to Monday Night Football!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on November 10, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
naw, he's gonna turn on the Authority
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 08:49:36 PM
...and be one-dimensional either way he goes!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 10, 2014, 08:57:57 PM
Man, the UK -hates- John Cena.

Stephanie McMahon has no right to look as hot as she does.

And the audience is so loud it borders on the obnoxious.
Those are English fans alright.
HEYO!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
Just the UK hates Cena?

He's hated everywhere he goes.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 10, 2014, 09:03:47 PM
yeah, but I've never heard him being booed as badly as here, today.
Damn.

On the other hand Ryback got "feed me more" chants.

Also, they love Dolph Ziggler.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
That shit will end eventually, once people remember how fucking boring he is.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 10, 2014, 09:06:02 PM
Dunno.
Apparently his backstage behaviour has changed, and he's pretty liked now.
That seems to be enough to overrule lack of in-ring skills.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 09:15:10 PM
And his personality?

This guy has about as much of that as Khali.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 10, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Well, he turned "bad" already again, it seems.
So, no clue.

Also, we haven't really seen him do anything since he is back, so, who knows. He may have actually gotten better.
Guess we'll see it tonight.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 09:59:40 PM
Wyatt speaks...then Mark Henry comes out.



What the fuck, WWE creative?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 10, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
Did they chant "Boring" during the Rusev vs. Sheamus match?

Also, need to take a break. Be back later, gonna watch the rest of it then.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
So team Cena has Big Slow, team Authority has Mark Henry.


Sounds like shit to me.  Two slow, boring idiots.  Team Authority also has Ryback, another big, boring, slow idiot.

And odds are, this will be the only traditional Survivor Series match we will get.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2014, 10:57:20 PM
I was hoping Rusev wouldn't join up.

This is going to do nothing but harm to his character.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 11, 2014, 12:07:09 AM
Luke Harper joins team authority.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 11, 2014, 12:53:51 AM
Next week on RAW, special guest GRUMPY CAT!




That's right folks, in order to stay relevant, WWE has now discovered the hot new fad, cat memes!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 11, 2014, 02:13:20 AM
Hm, Luke Harper is the first (outside of Seth), who I actually think is an interesting choice to join.
Looking forward how that is going to work, but hoping for a push for him.

I really don't much care for how they handled Ryback.
As he came back, he got huge chants, and he smiled, and people were behind him, but now they had him play generic baddassguyy, and then just walk out.
I would have liked if he had helped Cena up to his feet, to cement his position.
Right now this leaves him in an uncertainty zone that's not helping much.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 11, 2014, 03:53:16 AM
(http://abload.de/img/1415679705989nhsru.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 11, 2014, 07:32:50 AM
One thing that really bothered me about Ryback tonight. Last week Cole talked about how Ryback saw that he made mistakes (being heel) and was trying to redeem himself. So this week...highest bidder.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 11, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
And what about poor Jack Swagger. He just joins Team Cena out of nowhere and he gets taken out by two curbstomps.

I'd almost say, with the midterms and the results and Swagger getting constant pops, pushing Swagger--nah. Let's just push Orton when he returns. I'm sure after the 1,255th time he'll be super over like the WWE wants. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on November 11, 2014, 04:48:49 PM
If they follow my plan things will work.

Ryback and Ziggler are left with Cena at the Survivor Series. They both hit their finishers but leave their opponents without pinning them. They are left to recover and they destroy Cena.

Ryback and Ziggler point out how Cena has stunted them time and time again on RAW the next night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on November 13, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
At another site i bitched about lesnar not showing up for RAW UK. I got an answer about "if he'd gotten paid he'd have shown up".
Bullshit. He 's the champ. Its his fucking JOB to show up.

Piss poor champion.

It's a business.

McMahon treated these guys like circus animals until Uncle Ted opened up the vault and forced the industry to shift in terms of contracts.

When Lesnar was down and failed at his NFL dream;Triple H took the liberty to mock him publicly and state that "He's been calling".

Things switch in life and now Triple H is the one who has to call Lesnar and play by his rules.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 13, 2014, 10:24:35 PM
Yeah...but why?

I mean, is Brock Lesnar that big of a draw? Does he make that big of a difference at all? I mean, he's not Austin or Hogan!

...

I miss Daniel Bryan.  :'(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on November 13, 2014, 10:40:26 PM
Brock is the worst champ they had in a while.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 13, 2014, 11:43:30 PM
I was hoping Rusev wouldn't join up.

This is going to do nothing but harm to his character.

Stephanie talking down to Lana and Rusev probably does not help either.

Considering how heel thin they are near the top of the card, that makes no sense. I mean Kane is still main eventing for God's sake.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 13, 2014, 11:48:27 PM
I was hoping Rusev wouldn't join up.

This is going to do nothing but harm to his character.

Stephanie talking down to Lana and Rusev probably does not help either.

Considering how heel thin they are near the top of the card, that makes no sense. I mean Kane is still main eventing for God's sake.

I agree with that.
I had hoped he would not bend the knee to anyone.
In fact, I hope he'll backstab the authority during the event, and then proclaim "Russia does not get bullied by -anyone-!".
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on November 14, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
Yeah...but why?

I mean, is Brock Lesnar that big of a draw? Does he make that big of a difference at all? I mean, he's not Austin or Hogan!

...

I miss Daniel Bryan.  :'(

Brock is one of the biggest PPV draws in history.

The UFC and WWE buyrates speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 14, 2014, 08:41:52 PM
Jericho does a segment that means nothing.

Bray Wyatt beats Sin Cara for some reason.

Gold and Star beat Adam Rose and the Bunny.  Rose beats up the Bunny again.



Another quality smackdown so far.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 14, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
Sounds like I did not miss anything on Smackdown.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 14, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
Poor Bunny.

Man, I hope they combine The Bunny suit with Suicide's costume. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 16, 2014, 12:21:26 AM
Ziggler vs. Tyson Kidd vs. Cesaro from last Smackdown
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2a98s8_dz-vs-ac-vs-tk_sport
Holy crap, that was really a fantastic match.
Cesaro is a workhorse in it, and even Tyson Kidd actually looks like he belongs there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 16, 2014, 01:24:35 AM
Man Cesaro should be getting the push instead of them getting ready to force Reign's on us.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 16, 2014, 01:45:28 AM
You will cheer for who McMahon deems worthy!!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:02:40 PM
Look at that.
We start tonight's Raw with the King of Kings and his Queen first.
That never happened before.

Good lord, I wish half of Team Authority would just retire...

And even worse is that HHH insults the audience, and they don't get it in favor of chanting "Yes! Yes! Yes!"
Wrestling fans ain't the smartest ones there are.

Oh snap, dig at WCW.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:08:08 PM
It's Hilarious how the fans want to cheer -against- Team Authority, but can't get themselves to cheer -for- Team CENA.
HHH mentions Cena, and the boos start.

I want to be wedged between the hotness of Lana and Stephanie McMahon.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
These fucking teams are the absolute worst.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
Good lord, I see again why Ryback was buried so badly.
Cena really insulted the hell out of him a year ago (and really looked more than a fucking Heel than Ryback ever did).

That said, Ryback still sucks on the mic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
Welp, looks like Ziggie will lose the IC belt now.
If they are smart, they'll make him win it back asap again though.

...it's the WWE, they'll job the hell out of Ziggler now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 08:28:24 PM
I actually read a story that had Fandango comment.

He said he has been working on a new dance routine, and that he will return to TV soon and it will be radically different from what we've seen.

I like his  character a lot, as do most fans.  So hopefully the "radical change" we see, is just him actually winning matches.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:33:07 PM
He's going to be Fan-Dan-Rose.
He's going to be Adam Rose's drinking buddy.


This match, while competently wrestled, is not making either man look strong.
Harper no sells Fameasser, or whatever the name is, and he still needed to have team authority beat Ziggler down before the match.

There we go.
Harper is now IC champ.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 08:45:18 PM
Adam Rose vs. Bunny conflict is the most stupid thing I've seen in a long time.

Yep, I'm out.
I'll fast forward to the recording later.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
It is pretty horrible.

I love how he beats the shit out of the Bunny, and the Rosebuds look on in horror and shock.  Then immediately after they start dancing and partying like nothing happened.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 09:42:08 PM
And the worst celebrity segment in quite some time.

Grumpy THE Car (as Michael Cole says)


And the audience was silent.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
Next week they'll have Larry the Cable Guy as a host.
So, the "creative" really don't know what the fuck to do with their program, do they?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 10:02:18 PM
The following week, William Hung, and the next week, that tranny that wanted people to leave Britney alone.


Continuing the tradition of WWE using things and people that are old and out of date.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 17, 2014, 11:23:10 PM
Too bad Cesaro didn't join up.  Instead we have Boreback.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2014, 11:48:43 PM
Isn't John Cena just about the worst partner ever? I mean, yeah, Hogan showed off. ALOT. And stole the glory, but at least he would come down to help you when you were being teamed up on!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 18, 2014, 12:23:10 AM
Cena ruined his own promo by turning somewhat neat comments about Kane and Henry into a meandering mess.

Isn't John Cena just about the worst partner ever? I mean, yeah, Hogan showed off. ALOT. And stole the glory, but at least he would come down to help you when you were being teamed up on!

Why would Super Cena dirty his hands on saving those group of lower beings? Apparently they should be honored to even be on his team. Could have replaced them with four kids. Cena even said so.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 18, 2014, 01:53:00 AM
So, catching up on this.
What little popularity Adam Rose had they completely pissed away with this storyline so far, and not only does he lose to Tyson Kidd again (who is actually pretty good), he also gets, literally, fucked by the bunny after.

Amazing.
Vince must have laughed.
This is so awful...

Quite liked the Ambrose/Wyatt thing.
I thought it really worked as he told Wyatt "Run".
Of course this is the -first- time things are actually heat up between these two, which means weeks spent on nothing.
The downside is that neither of these guys will actually -win- in this feud, no matter if they win or lose, because both have been losing repeatedly until now, be that to outside interference, or Cenation.

They both would have benefited from having feuds that see them winning them, before getting into something with each other.

Ryback, as much as I don't care for him, would have vastly profited from having a straight babyface run.
Like, the one where he runs to protect kids, and such, because when I think "Big Guy" it doesn't invoke "Force of Destruction", it makes me think of someone's big brother.
It would have endeared him with kids, and made him different enough from his previous runs to really get over.
Instead he is the "hardass" muscle dude.

Man, 10 mins into the match, and Ryback can barely breath, while Cesaro is hardly exhausted.

Got to give it to Cesaro though that he actually managed to get a decent match out of Ryback.
I honestly did not see this coming, although it's a clear show that Cesaro should be getting the push here.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 18, 2014, 02:38:49 AM
Stephanie McMahon is really hot.
Just as a sidenote.

So, Big E, Kofi, Xavier, all are in this "New Day" thing?
And they all are singers/preachers?
Where is that supposed to go?

So, Ryback and Cena have a talk, but everything Cena says sounds like a lie, and Ryback tries too hard to be the "tough guy", to the level that it's just sad.

Tag Team match.
1. Reminds me of how much they dropped the ball with Stardust.
2. Mizdow is so much over it hurts, and I fear they won't be able to do something worthwhile with it.
3. The Tag Team division is so anaemic that the El Matadores are actual contenders now.
4. Mizdow is really fantastic.
I really want to see them do something with him, but I, admittedly, don't know how they could turn that into a solo push of some kind. What does he do if he doesn't have anyone to copy?

The Ending/Signing.
Man, Ziggler's music hits, and the audience ERUPTS.
That the WWE is not able to make use of that is a pure crime.
Eric Rowan joins Team Cena?
The hell? I ... admittedly did NOT see this coming.
And.. I actually like that.

Of course Ryback joins Team Cena, which, actually, wasn't done so badly.

Although it fucking grates me that Cena constantly gets a chance to smack Seth Rollins around, while Ambrose did not have a decisive win.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 18, 2014, 08:01:49 AM
What about poor Ryback? He was about to snack on Triple H when Cena drank his milkshake! He drank it up! And broke the table!

And I can get Rowan joining Cena. From what Bray said (the non nonsensical garbage) Rowan has the mindset of a child. So on his own, I can believe he'd be nicer. Think of it like Jason Vorhees not having his mother's spirit telling him to kill all the time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on November 18, 2014, 05:45:57 PM
The following week, William Hung, and the next week, that tranny that wanted people to leave Britney alone.


Continuing the tradition of WWE using things and people that are old and out of date.


ladies and gentlemen......the theme of Survivor Series....BY LIMP BIZKIT!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on November 21, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Aj look hot as Nicki
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 21, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
The following week, William Hung, and the next week, that tranny that wanted people to leave Britney alone.


Continuing the tradition of WWE using things and people that are old and out of date.


ladies and gentlemen......the theme of Survivor Series....BY LIMP BIZKIT!

The funny thing is Nickleback did the theme for Survivor series.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 21, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
Is there a worse tag partner or captain of a team than John Cena?

Because he couldn't be bothered to walk on stage, Ziggler lost his belt, Sheamus got took out, and Big Show took a beating. And just now--

Y'know, if they all just turned on him, I'd have no problem with it. Like I've said before, Sure Hogan was an ego maniac, but at least he'd come out to save you.

And does tonight confirm that the board of comittee is heel? I mean, whenever a face authority figure lets something out of control once, they get stripped of power. Triple H can injure the top draw, let the world title go on vacation, and attack various legends and current wrestlers.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 23, 2014, 12:23:26 AM
So I'm kinda skipping through Smackdown, and reach the Cesaro Vs. Erick Rowan, and damn, I mean Cesaro and Ryback had a real match, but Rowan pretty much ate Cesaro alive, and then stole his cornflakes on top.

Didn't expect them to push him even more as a Monster than Ryback.
Although his fist is nearly as big as Big Shows, so I can see why.

Also, why the heck would Big Show be afraid of being fired?
Didn't he already have a bulletproof contract?
Twice?

Oh, and what about the shit with Team Authority beating up Team Cena (Minus Cena) at the end of the whole thing?
Like Prop said, Hulk Hogan would have run in each time his partners got beaten on.
Cena does never.
Truly, he is the biggest heel of all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 23, 2014, 12:42:06 AM
Cena sucks.


And doesn't HHH still own Big Show's house?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 23, 2014, 09:19:57 AM
Yeah but HHH need to look good but not at the expense of there biggest star so he'll just keep shitting on Cena's team and not have him interfere which still make Cena look bad.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 24, 2014, 08:10:49 PM
Is HHH really sitting there quoting A Few Good Men with a straight face.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on November 24, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
did bryant get surgery yet

or is he still use the butterfly and rainbow method of healing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 24, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
On another note, does anyone actually believe this "voting" thing matters, or does WWE just do whatever the fuck they want?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 24, 2014, 10:22:30 PM
I turned this off to watch Ferguson burn, but did Fandango show up again?  I just switched back and AJ is having trouble with Brie...so clearly I didn't miss anything good.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 24, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
Yep. Fandango wrestled Justin Gabriel, the fans were sad that da-da-dada was gone from his theme, they chanted for CM Punk--and...dear lord Fandango, if you can't do it right, don't do the guillotine leg drop!!

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 25, 2014, 02:47:19 AM
I'm catching up with the show right now.
A few thoughts.

Loved the REVENGE of Daniel Bryan.
It's just a bit of a cathartic thing, after watching the "Bad guys" pretty much run roughshod over the "faces".

Had to laugh at the Kane segments.
He is still best at doing funny, now after his monster heel days are over.

I dig Fandango being more vicious.
I feel that's working well for him. I also don't really dig his current costume. It's like 90s comics all over.
I also feel that Justin Gabriel would be really be worth being watched in a serious match.
He did a few high flying spots I felt looked really damn good.
Too bad he is used as "enhancement".

The WWE is really focusing too much on "strongmen" instead of technical guys.

That said, out of some reason I am really enjoying what they do with Erick Rowan right now.
They push him as a legitimate Monster, and to see that he is actually (nearly) as tall as Big Show is quite impressive.
Oh, Erick Rowan chants. That I did not expect.
And what the hell! Seeing him do roundhouse kicks is such a freaky thing!

Hahaha, Ziggler using the power of his twitter to settle Seth with these two losers.
Oh, I love this guy. And the WWE Universe loves him as well.

God help us, the Bella twins (or the screeching sisters, as I like to call them) are truly front of center of the divas division now.
Those of you who cheered for AJ Lee to lose to them, this is your fault (I'm talking to you, Prop!)
Well, AJ loses the fight, but goodness, she slaughters them at the mic afterwards.

Tyson Kidd vs. the bunny.
Are you fucking kidding me, WWE?
Oh, and it does the Jeff Jarrett Strutt?
Then he wants to fuck Tyson Kidd (This is really PG?)

...Foodfight between Kane and Ryback?
Really?

Why the hell was Cena gesticulating about so wildly?

Ziggler's music starts and the audience erupts.
He gets the biggest pop in the night. I think it's even larger than D-Bry's, and the WWE would be smart to make use of it.

I also think the main event kind of worked, as it showed Seth cheating like a motherfucker to win, which is really working well for his heel status, and I feel did actually a lot more to help his position than having Kane run in the fifth time in a row to "save" him.
It makes fights a lot more legitimate.

...WTF was that ending.
"Cyber Monday Night Raw"?
The hell?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 25, 2014, 03:28:32 AM
I didn't like the "secret GM" stuff at the end.

Also, Big Show in a nutshell.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QeaKJIUAAJp13.jpg:large)

Aj Lee had the best line of the night.
Quote
"Talent isn't sexually transmitted."—AJ.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 25, 2014, 08:28:50 AM
She'd know.

And the Mystery GM is--wait, wasn't that revealed to be Hornswoggle?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on November 25, 2014, 10:01:26 AM
"I have a genetic condition that makes me this freakishly large and powerful."

"You owe me a mulligan"

"Upside-down Sheamus"

LOL
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 25, 2014, 10:59:48 AM
I chuckled at a Ryback segment. Good sign that to me, Raw was pretty watchable.

They better not drag out the Mystery GM thing, though. That has a short shelf life, to say the least.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 25, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
Oh, and Larry the Cable Guy is passe and not funny. The cat was seriously less useless.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 28, 2014, 08:35:30 PM
Rusev keeps his title after the Smackdown Battle Royal. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 28, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
See? That's what I hate about championship battle royals. The smartest thing everyone else could do is get rid of the champion. That means automatic champion.

Unless Rusev was smart and stayed on the outside or maneuvered people who were feuding into one another.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 28, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
The important thing is that Lana is still happy. May Rusev, Russia, and her hotness rule forever.

(http://zippy.gfycat.com/ForsakenCourteousAsiaticmouflon.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on November 28, 2014, 10:43:46 PM
it seem like they trying to make Rusev face

he always overcoming the odds pretty cleanly
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2014, 11:39:33 AM
The only time he's cheated was when Stephanie sent J & J Security to help him in his rematch with Sheamus. And even then he didn't know about it.

He did take advantage of Swagger getting knocked out by the ringsteps, but that was part of the match, so while brutal, wasn't cheating.

The most villainous he's been (sans slamming America) is attacking Mark Henry during a match of his.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on November 30, 2014, 02:46:07 AM
Just now watched last week's Raw.

How can they seriously not find anything for Justin Gabriel to do? He's good in the ring, is ridiculously man-pretty, and has an incredible build. What the fuck are they doing? Just team him up with Kidd and have add them to the tag team roster (which honestly consists of like 3 real teams). They could have great matches with Miz/Dow and The Dust Brothers

The undisputed best moment of Raw 11/24/14? Motherfucking Jamie Noble main eventing and looking fucking GREAT. Can we get him back on the main roster, please?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on November 30, 2014, 03:33:45 AM
And this is a hell of a compliment coming from Arn Anderson's biggest fan, but Adam Rose has one of the absolute sickest spinebusters I've ever seen. It's a fucking thing of beauty.

Too bad it's wasted on a glorified jobber
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2014, 10:39:14 AM
Hey, the only reason Gabriel is is on TV is because Zack Ryder is injured and can't do job duties. :)

But yeah, the guy has talent and you'd think they could find something for him--but Fandango. Yeah, let's take away the music, the outfit, and make him boring and he still sucks in the ring. That will work. Fandango needs to be in a tag team to hide his limitations as a wrestler.

I wish guys like Rose and Bo Dallas (remember him) were given a chance when they went to the main program. I really think both characters could have at least been upper middle card, but that looks to be ruined.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 30, 2014, 11:12:26 AM
Bo Dallas yeah.  Adam Rose for some reason hasn't worked for me since he left NXT for the main roster.  Hell his bunny is more over than him that tells you everything you need to know.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
Of course the Bunny's over. It's stupid! Fans love stupid.

Personally, I wish the Bunny would become a wrestler and wear a costume that's a mix of his current costume and TNA's Suicide. The baddest flippin' Bunny evah! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 30, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
The Bunny and his problems with Rose is the dumbest shit ever. Or at least since Hornswoggle. Prop said it though, stupid often equals liked by fans.

I agree with most of the previous few posts. Kidd and Gabriel would be a nice team and really are needed in the tag division. Which itself should be more important than it is.

Salsa Fandango is off to a rough start, which is no surprise really. Fans used to at least like to react to his intro music. And Summer > Rosa. (Though Rosa does kind of look the part of a salsa dancer.) I cannot really see Bo Dallas as a player though. He's not a good wrestler either, despite having a half decade plus in the system.

They have sufficient spoons in the pot atm but once things settle I would not mind seeing Cody and/or Sandow get a worthwhile midcard run. They should pick up with Barrett up the card as I think he has all the basic ingredients.

Hopefully they do not bail on Ziggler's push. They have wasted Cesaro, which is a shame. At least put him in a tag team. Or let him hire Lana as her next client. Yes I know he did the manager thing with Heyman already. But for all his good work and rep Paul lately is not actually that effective at moving guys up the card. As opposed to being a strong advocate for people already established.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on November 30, 2014, 02:44:11 PM
I could see Cesaro with Lana.
Of course Vince would just make it "anti-american faction" or something, but at least he'd get some time and a chance to win.
Plus, more of Lana's legs is never a bad thing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on November 30, 2014, 10:32:40 PM
On to Smackdown:

1. Fuck Daniel Bryan. Yeah, I said it. Awesome in the ring, insufferable douche on the mic
2. Erik Rowan looks like a slightly more retarded Monterey Jack from Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
3. Rusev retaining the US title in the battle royal was brilliant. This is how you build a monster, people
4. Am I an idiot for hoping that this Jack Swagger return might actually lead to something? And yeah, that's a rhetorical question
5. Tyson Kidd being one of the final four was a pleasant surprise. I'm digging him recently.
6. I'm down with The New Day for one reason: bringing legit double-team moves back to the tag division. Hopefully they'll do Freebird Rules and switch members around for actual tag matches. But does Big E just look like fat retarded 3 year old to anybody else, or is it just me?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 01, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
Smashing Bray's chair hurts Bray.


Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 01, 2014, 10:05:41 PM
The rules are always odd in the smackdown univere

You win no 1 contender..then you got to somehow STILL defend you position to someone else. What the point then. I mean I dont WANT cena vs Brock

Want Brock vs Ziggler

But couldn't they do it another way, may have the fight between the many pay per views before wrestlmania..or is it in brock contract he ONLY going to be at Wrestlemania
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 01, 2014, 10:07:23 PM
According to the rules WWE made up and only enforces when it wants to, Randy Orton still has his "rematch clause" that they've ignored and will probably never mention.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 01, 2014, 10:13:51 PM
According to the rules WWE made up and only enforces when it wants to, Randy Orton still has his "rematch clause" that they've ignored and will probably never mention.

kind of like if Team Cena Win, he could get fired

Even though Big show whole storyline before, was to get a contract that avoid bullshit like that


And really what does seth got to gain he already has money in the bank
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 01, 2014, 10:56:55 PM
But yeah, the guy has talent and you'd think they could find something for him--but Fandango. Yeah, let's take away the music, the outfit, and make him boring and he still sucks in the ring. That will work. Fandango needs to be in a tag team to hide his limitations as a wrestler.

He had a fantastic match earlier, Prop.
(http://s15.postimg.org/6bj5e8daj/The_fonz_thumbs_up.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 01, 2014, 11:24:16 PM
And my God is Noelle Foley hot as hell.

How did Mic pull that off? Good job by his wife.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 02, 2014, 01:03:20 AM
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/11a5d7e65c1e446dff8165dc7f108639/tumblr_inline_nfxpsevdzf1r1eahj.gif)

There will be hell to pay. Count on it.

Unless you are Maryse, you do not touch the Moneymaker without permission. Uso scum.   >:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 02, 2014, 01:57:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/25TPwnn.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 02, 2014, 08:29:24 AM
Just to give the Usos another title shot they don't need right now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on December 08, 2014, 08:21:04 PM
Sting didn't really win that slammy. Haha just happened to have Rollins cut a promo on it. Fuck Sting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on December 08, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
Raw was, ok. It was nice to see Steamboat though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 10, 2014, 02:31:02 PM
"Miz Now." That was my favorite moment of Raw this week. Miz's obnoxious character is priceless.

Miz and Mizdow, Rusev and Lana, and Rollins are the best things about the product these days.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 10, 2014, 02:50:28 PM
Btw I like how Dean Ambrose nearly had his windpipe crushed just three nights earlier. But demonstrates a healing factor and is ready to fight on monday.

Is he secretly Wolverine or something?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 10, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
All wrestlers have healing factors. Cena was thrown though a spotlight and was walking the next RAW and Triple H was turned over in his car and dropped from a crane (no seat belt even) and he came back the next RAW without a scratch.

And if there is one thing I like about the Ambrose-Wyatt feud is Wyatt coming to realize that there is someone crazier than he is.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 11, 2014, 12:59:01 AM
yea the chair tossed into the ring that hit bray's head look nasty and unplanned
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 11, 2014, 03:42:22 AM
All wrestlers have healing factors. Cena was thrown though a spotlight and was walking the next RAW and Triple H was turned over in his car and dropped from a crane (no seat belt even) and he came back the next RAW without a scratch.


Paul Bearer was buried under concrete and got out.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on December 14, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
and got her brains out too
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 15, 2014, 08:25:41 PM
Always enjoy seeing Y2J
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 15, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
ok arent

No rules
No Hold Bared
Street fight

basicly the same match

I know no Hold bard...tecnically means NO Holds...are bared...but it always meant no rules in WWE

And Street Fight..unless they going to actully fight in the fucking street is the same as a no rules

So what the point of voting. I am guessing Fandango will come out and help Heyman. Brock wont..because you know he actully has to show up to work.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 15, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
you know people say Rusev American propaganda.

But think not..since he constantly proves he the superior athelete...overcoming the odds..winning mostly fair and square, making weak American Submit

If anything..think Russia LOVES this guy
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 15, 2014, 10:09:40 PM
Fandango makes my dick hard, then retard Reigns comes out for no reason to further bury him.  Now Reigns is going to talk, great.  The guy fucking blows on the mic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 15, 2014, 10:10:21 PM
OH wait, he doesn't get to talk because someone even more useless is coming out with a mic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 16, 2014, 12:55:40 AM
Fandango "back" after his huge "makeover" and he barely makes it 3 seconds in the ring.
Yep.

WWE will WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 16, 2014, 02:51:33 AM
Thank god for only 3 seconds of Fandango.

Because Big Slow deserves more screen time.


And fuck me, did WWE just turn the Ascension into the Legion of Doom/Demolition?  What the fuck is wrong with WWE creative?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 16, 2014, 02:53:19 AM
And fuck me, did WWE just turn the Ascension into the Legion of Doom/Demolition?  What the fuck is wrong with WWE creative?
V-I-N-C-E

They have a 40 man creative team, and yet vince usually spends at least 3 hours before every RAW rewriting it all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2014, 03:32:43 AM
Hey! He makes McMahon's heart pitter-patter, he gets the big push! No exceptions--unless an even bigger guy shows up. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 16, 2014, 05:02:51 AM
Raw was mostly horrendous last night until the final match. Seth Rollins though is fucking legit all the way.

Happy to see that turned out the way it did. I was waiting for Cenawinslol Act 539 until Seth took the final step.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on December 16, 2014, 05:05:49 AM
Fandango is horrible. People who like Fandango deserve to be Fucked in the Ass with multiple cacti.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 16, 2014, 06:18:07 AM
I love how the three black guys have become Happy Dancing Negroes, then shit the bed in their first big match (in terms of quality). That was awful.

Funny how much they've fucked over Adam Rose. He could have been a perfectly-acceptable Koko B. Ware type or something, but instead they've teased heel turns and feuds with the Bunny and turned it into some stupid shit.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 16, 2014, 06:38:10 AM
that bunny stuff is the worst shit ever, but apparently Vince loves the hell out of it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
Actually, looked like Rose and the Bunny made up. I mean, The Bunny did try to help.

And Jab I like the New Day. I thought the match was good...and seriously, I consider the teamwork, happy, and always keeping hope alive group better than the evil African American group it was originally supposed to be. And the match was good...compared to the rest of RAW.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 16, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Actually, looked like Rose and the Bunny made up. I mean, The Bunny did try to help.

And Jab I like the New Day. I thought the match was good...and seriously, I consider the teamwork, happy, and always keeping hope alive group better than the evil African American group it was originally supposed to be. And the match was good...compared to the rest of RAW.

That what I thought.  A new Nation of Domination evil black group would have been perfect and set these guys up to be a monster team.   Then that criminal Mike Brown gets killed and they axed it to make them the happy team.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on December 16, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
The New Day is an abomination.

Period.

You have a near 300lb monster, arguably the most athletic wrestler on the roster and lastly a great worker and talker.

These guys should be THE faction in the WWE. Instead, Big E looks like a dancing bear, Kofi is still Kofi, and Woods has no presence at all.

Have them come out during the next RAW and annihilate everyone. They hit Cena to pick up that heat. Then they turn around and attack Rollins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 16, 2014, 11:23:26 AM
Gold and Star both jobbed to them twice in a row.

Once again, those two were hot shit, then WWE made them heels and decided to job them out to everybody.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 16, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
The WWE never even took advantage of Stardust's popularity shortly after the looks change.
They don't even fucking know what they have and what would be successful.
He got -huge- pops, but they straight away did zero with em.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 16, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
WWE's fucked up so many obvious angles over this past year that I've basically lost all hope in the company. Cesaro gets more and more cred, becomes a Heyman Guy for his next big push... and then just fucks around and does nothing. The Rhodes Brothers become the most over guys in the company, finally show up HHH... then job out to the fucking New Age Outlaws, flounder, go through a change that gets popular... then turn into shitty heels who can't BUY a win. Even Bryan was looking to be ruined by that awful Kane feud (they didn't even bother giving Kane a push when it was over to make him look legit enough to fight Bryan).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 16, 2014, 05:31:08 PM
WWE's fucked up so many obvious angles over this past year that I've basically lost all hope in the company. Cesaro gets more and more cred, becomes a Heyman Guy for his next big push... and then just fucks around and does nothing. The Rhodes Brothers become the most over guys in the company, finally show up HHH... then job out to the fucking New Age Outlaws, flounder, go through a change that gets popular... then turn into shitty heels who can't BUY a win. Even Bryan was looking to be ruined by that awful Kane feud (they didn't even bother giving Kane a push when it was over to make him look legit enough to fight Bryan).

Meanwhile, lets push Big Slow and Fat Henry, the two most boring guys in the company who are too old to have any meaning in the future of the company.

Not enough big guys?  Lets make Ryback someone again, until the fans get bored with him like they did before.  A big dumb ape who's gimmick is he's big and angry. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 17, 2014, 08:50:36 PM
May as well throw the Tribute to the Troops show in here.


First of all, Florida Georgia Line is a stupid name.  Second, Florida Georgia Line sucks.  Third, country music sucks.


Stuff happens and now there is a Diva Battle Royal, where apparently going through the middle rope is just as good as going over the top.  All of the good divas are elimated via stupid means, leaving the worst divas in the ring.  The shitty Bellas, Nattie, and Naomi (who doesn't suck, but still)

One of the Bellas went under the bottom rope and that was an elimination, then nonsense happened and Naomi won.  Good for her, better than a Bella victory.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 18, 2014, 11:07:02 AM
So, a TTTT thats just like every other then. Very observant.

I liked how none of the heels went at Hogan during the opening beat down. They fear the 24 inch pythons!

Has every other TTTT show been exactly what I said?  Because it seems like they have Diva BRs all the time now and they always suck.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 18, 2014, 11:07:48 AM
Fandango is stupid and so are you!!! :mad:

And I do like one thing that the WWE is doing, Team Cena put their careers on the line and they've actually kept the true companion motif going since. Well, as true a companion as Cena can be. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 18, 2014, 11:12:20 AM
I'd like to see them all turn on each other at the Rumble next month.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 18, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
I want to see Cena turn heel, but the whole thing ending with "I give it to the world!" song playing, because Ziggler just fameassed his face into next week.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 22, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Ho ho Hogan.  Bleh.  Then Cena comes out to steal his cheers.  Then we get Rollins vs Cena for the 60465240th time.  Cena wins of course.

Later we get Big Slow vs Roman Reigns in a "who has the least amount of personality match"

Swagger loses to Fandango in a match that was also garbage.

Adam Rose loses to R Truth, and beats up the Bunny for no reason.  Again.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 22, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
Started the show.
Watched Hogan talk, then Cena come out and talk some more.
Shut the stream down and went to play steam games.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 23, 2014, 01:37:19 AM
Despite having a lot of potentially exciting talents on the roster, the product is just so bland and irrelevant lately. Respect for the abilities of Rollins, Rusev/Lana, Ziggler, Miz/Mizdow, and Ambrose are the only reasons I bother anymore. But even with them I am practically waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I like Reigns but I do not think he is ready to main event 'Mania. They should go with Dolph or Dean this year and build Roman for a run in late '15 and '16. I wish they would put the Real Americans back together cause neither Swagger nor Cesaro are doing anything remotely relevant anymore.

Please get Cena away from Rollins. He will start ruining Seth's ability to be a credible main eventer. Which would be a shame because Seth has really taken the ball and run with it. Nice improvements by Rollins both on the mic and in terms of character play. I just wish he did not reference the Authority so much. It grows the notion that he can't stand on his own. Which is done enough already with just J & J Security.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 23, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
The Shield's split has been so weird for everybody.

Reigns: Basically all but chosen as THE GUY for no adequately explored reason beyond his cool punch and his look (OK so he's scrumptious and that plays in his favor). Hasn't really beaten anybody yet, and only has a few months to gain some real cred.

Rollins: Got the Heel Push that usually follows the most-pushed member, but kind of became a snivelling Underclass guy underneath Triple-H AND Orton, and how has J&J Security as buddies. He really has zero credibility as a star because he's beaten so few guys. Like was said, linking him with Cena has been a disaster for him.

Ambrose: Has a real thing going as a "Crazy Roddy Piper"-like babyface, but both failed to get his revenge against Rollins, and is now stuck with Bray Wyatt in a never-ending dull feud.

So basically, they're all further up the card as solo acts than they ever were as just "Shield" members, but they're all desperately in need of some credibility, and the best part of The Shield, their amazing long-form matches on RAW & PPV, is basically gone. None of them are really putting on classics anymore, and none have connected with the crowd as much as they really SHOULD have.

Still better off than Wyatt was compared to last year, though. Woof...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2014, 02:13:41 PM
Hey, the WWE is doing an excellent job snuffing out any chance Ambrose gets momentum. The guy doesn't ever win...at all. I mean, yeah, he won the bootcamp match, after Sgt. Slaughter helped him.

Heck, he lost the main event on the Christmas episode! When the hell was the last time the face lost the main event on the Christmas episode of RAW?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on December 23, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
so....did the Big Show really demand oral from Reigns?

cause that's how the transcript read
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
I decided to skip through the show now, since I can just move through the boring sequences.

Thoughts:
Cena sucks.
He is always carried by his opponents.
90% of the matches he usually lets them do all the work, then turns it around in the last minute.
Fuck, even commentary is tired of it. I think it was JBL who went "And Cena does it again..." in a voice that was near monotone, so badly did it lack any enthusiasm.

Also, it's kind of funny that Cena vs. Ambrose was a match to decide who would face Seth, and since then Cena faced Seth like a half dozen times, and Ambrose faced him only once, which was the match he lost.

Seth is -really- good though, so it's disappointing to see him being fed to SuperCena, but that is like it happens with every upcoming star. I have fuck idea why Vince is so determined to kill his future superstars constantly this way.
This goes beyond "Cena brings food to the table": He needs to be braindead to not realize what this does to his wrestler base.

Fandango's make-over sucks.
Sorry, a "dark dancer"?
No where ever did that work to put respect into people's minds.
He was better in his old look, persona, and music.

Swagger, for a time, had a real pull with the audience.
Now they can't even be bothered to pay attention to his match anymore.
The WWE is awful with capitalizing stars getting a response, until it's all gone again.
That does not mean I'd want a Swagger run, just a general observation.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
Yeah, say what you will, but the WE THE PEOPLE was getting over when he turned face. And he does get good pops when he's in American babyface mode.

...

So let's have him lose to the guy who may be the worst wrestler on the main roster.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 23, 2014, 07:53:56 PM
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..................... (60 seconds or so)

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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 07:55:36 PM
so....did the Big Show really demand oral from Reigns?

cause that's how the transcript read
Nah, Big Show said he got Reigns gift tonight.
"It's not a stocking stuffer, it's a face stuffer" and then he held his fist up.
At least that's what I heard in half paying attention.

The funniest thing about Natalya is Tyson Kidd, and his sleazy personality.
Which is even better because outside the ring he is a complete pushover when it comes to his wife and family.

They fed the Dust brothers to El Torito.
Mkay.
I'm not even mad anymore.

Ziggler vs. Harper was a fun match.
I think they have nice chemistry, making each other look very good.
Ziggler's ability to take damage, and Harper top really be a vicious Sob.

Not sure what they could have done else with this storyline, which saddens me, because I liked their interaction.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
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..................... (60 seconds or so)

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Haha, so damn accurate!

Where does this RAW take place?
Because the audience sucks.
They seem to only cheer for Ryback and Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on December 23, 2014, 08:22:35 PM
I love how people are talking about "WE THE PEOPLE" as if it wasn't the most blatantly racist shit that Americans decided to get behind because they love to chant along with the make believe characters in front of them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 08:33:55 PM
I love how people are talking about "WE THE PEOPLE" as if it wasn't the most blatantly racist shit that Americans decided to get behind because they love to chant along with the make believe characters in front of them.

It works though.
Even I want to murder camel jockeys after watching him chant it proudly into the night!

The Divas six-(wo)men match.
A few things.
1. The audience loves Paige (I am ok with that).
2. Summer Rae has abs. Since when does she have abs?
3. Emma got time in the ring. More than 30 seconds!
4. I want to have a royal rumble with all the ladies there. Except that bitchy one.
You know which one I mean.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 23, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
I love how people are talking about "WE THE PEOPLE" as if it wasn't the most blatantly racist shit that Americans decided to get behind because they love to chant along with the make believe characters in front of them.

It works though.
Even I want to murder camel jockeys after watching him chant it proudly into the night!

The Divas six-(wo)men match.
A few things.
1. The audience loves Paige (I am ok with that).
2. Summer Rae has abs. Since when does she have abs?
3. Emma got time in the ring. More than 30 seconds!
4. I want to have a royal rumble with all the ladies there. Except that bitchy one.
You know which one I mean.

Best part of that match?  No Bellla twins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 23, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
Haha, so damn accurate!

Where does this RAW take place?
Because the audience sucks.
They seem to only cheer for Ryback and Cena.

Minneapolis, Minny

Yeah they were not very good. Though the lack of excitement lately kind of makes tepid crowds more understandable I guess.

I have no idea why Natalya gets props as being title material. She is easily one of the least interesting people in a division full of them. Alicia otoh is underrated and underbooked. The way she executed her finisher was pretty sick.

The New Day are all but a dead issue already. It's incredible to think Kingston was teased and speculated as a main event guy just a few years ago.

Harper really is outstanding. Luke is another guy they would not waste if they were smart. Which means he is probably back to jobbing to a turned three more times by then Big Show within a year or so.

Summer Rae is sexy. She may not be the most perfect looking diva ever, but she does have a certain appeal and at one time seemed to have potential.

Fandango indeed was better before. At least some fans cared about moving to his music. Rosa is just about the worst person around, talent wise. It's cool they did right by keeping her on while she got past her latest alcohol problems. But there is no talent there. Can't they give her a desk job somewhere?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 23, 2014, 08:50:30 PM
I still say New Day would mean something if they were a knockoff of the Nation of Domination.  Tag team division needs heels.  All we have are Gold and Stardust, who were better as faces.  Though I'm sure this bastardized version of the Ascension that we are getting will also be heels.

Natalya can wrestle, but her personality sucks.  The best thing about her is her husband.  His antics at least keep it interesting.

Summer Rae is clearly the hottest Diva on the roster.  Though Emma really seems to have thinned up her torso and looks a lot better than she did.


Fandango of course is the greatest wrestler in the E.  His only problem is, like most people who come up from NXT, they get watered down and turned into shit.  His original gimmick worked, and he did get over with the fans.  He was given a character that really shouldn't get anything but hate, and he made it work and was totally into it.  Way more personality than Fat Henry, or "GRR IM BIG RYBACK IM BIG AND I HIT THINGS" or similarly, Roman Reigns, who is more of a "I'm a big quiet and calm but I hit stuff hard because I'm big."  For all you people who have hardons for Sammy Zayn and Adrian Neville, watch what happens to them if they ever get drafted to the E.  They'll have a nice seat at the bottom of the barrel with Adam Rose, Fandango, and Bo Dallas.

Summer and Emma the same problem.  Great in NXT, come to WWE to be made to look like shit.  Summer especially.  Emma just doesn't get to do anything.


BTW Michael Cole, four guys sitting behind you chanting for Paige does not mean "Paige chants are filling the arena!" you fucking moron.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 08:54:16 PM

Best part of that match?  No Bellla twins.
I hear "BRIE MOOODEEE SCREEEEE!" one more time, I'll start killing birds.
It's funny, she's supposed to be the "good" wrestler, but she's just plain annoying. I prefer Nikki to her.

Minneapolis, Minny

Yeah they were not very good. Though the lack of excitement lately kind of makes tepid crowds more understandable I guess.
Seriously.
I'm usually skipping Smackdown, and even Raw I only bother days later with.
None of the feuds currently interest me, and the WWE is completely lacking in world-building.
I don't really want to watch Cena talk and bury yet another upcomer.
They could build exciting stuff, but they play it so safe it is putting me to sleep.

I have no idea why Natalya gets props as being title material. She is easily one of the least interesting people in a division full of them. Alicia otoh is underrated and underbooked. The way she executed her finisher was pretty sick.
Preach it, brother!
Natalya is immensely boring, and not even fun to look at.
Alicia is great, both in ring and she can talk in front of a camera without breaking down.
That they don't do more with her is a shame.

The New Day are all but a dead issue already. It's incredible to think Kingston was teased and speculated as a main event guy just a few years ago.
Apparently Vince lost interest in them a week after their first appearance, so, yeah.
Everything seems already dropped about them. Back to jobberland.

Harper really is outstanding. Luke is another guy they would not waste if they were smart. Which means he is probably back to jobbing to a turned three more times by then Big Show within a year or so.
Which is another thing I couldn't understand.
Him and Rowan were on a hot streak, and what does the WWE do?
Feed them several times to Big Slow and Mark Boring.
Same as with the Dust Brothers.
Shit's inconceivable.

Summer Rae is sexy. She may not be the most perfect looking diva ever, but she does have a certain appeal and at one time seemed to have potential.
I definitely enjoy the various, different looks the Divas offer.
Each one has something nice to them, at least visually, that makes me enjoy watching them.
All the more shame that they are treat like toilet-breaks for the audience.
I maintain the opinion that they should start pairing them up with male stars again, to give them more screen time to develop storylines that can be resolved in the divas battles.

Fandango indeed was better before. At least some fans cared about moving to his music. Rosa is just about the worst person around, talent wise. It's cool they did right by keeping her on while she got past her latest alcohol problems. But there is no talent there. Can't they give her a desk job somewhere?
The only place Rosa needs to be is in the playboy.
There, I said it.

Turn Fandango back to his old roots, give him Summer again, because she's doing jackshit right now, and give him a shot for a title.
Bam.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
I still say New Day would mean something if they were a knockoff of the Nation of Domination.  Tag team division needs heels.  All we have are Gold and Stardust, who were better as faces.  Though I'm sure this bastardized version of the Ascension that we are getting will also be heels.
Apparently the plan was for A New Day to first play faces, then do a vicious heel turn.
Of course that all matters nothing anymore, now that Vince doesn't care about em anymore.

Summer Rae is clearly the hottest Diva on the roster.  Though Emma really seems to have thinned up her torso and looks a lot better than she did.
Yeah, Emma did shape up rather nicely in the last few months. It's quite visible.
I would like to see her do more.

Fandango of course is the greatest wrestler in the E.  His only problem is, like most people who come up from NXT, they get watered down and turned into shit.  His original gimmick worked, and he did get over with the fans.  He was given a character that really shouldn't get anything but hate, and he made it work and was totally into it.  Way more personality than Fat Henry, or "GRR IM BIG RYBACK IM BIG AND I HIT THINGS" or similarly, Roman Reigns, who is more of a "I'm a big quiet and calm but I hit stuff hard because I'm big."  For all you people who have hardons for Sammy Zayn and Adrian Neville, watch what happens to them if they ever get drafted to the E.  They'll have a nice seat at the bottom of the barrel with Adam Rose, Fandango, and Bo Dallas.
It's funny, Bo Dallas is another of the "Vince loses interest in" characters, the same as Cesaro, for example, according to Wrestling sites.
All of that explains the push, stop, push, job, push, stuff with these guys.

Summer and Emma the same problem.  Great in NXT, come to WWE to be made to look like shit.  Summer especially.  Emma just doesn't get to do anything.
It's true, it's damn true.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 23, 2014, 09:02:43 PM
I'd rather see Orton get a face repush than that generic roid monster klutz Ryback. I'm somewhat concerned for Rusev, and not because I am too worried about him losing the feud.

Offhand I'd say Bo Dallas is just about the worst male wrestler on the main roster. Granted he is out with an injury. Old Henry and Show are fairly up there too but at least they can do some power moves, for what it is worth.

Rowan has quite improved. He's pretty impressive physically and has held his own alright in matches lately.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 23, 2014, 09:08:46 PM
But at least we have TNA as an alternative, right? Right?  :D
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 09:11:25 PM
Man, Bray and Ambrose nearly kill each other for their match.
Both are fantastic characters, and good to great in the ring, but despite all of that, I say they are a horrible match for each other.
They both need wins and establish themselves, and feuds like these make them cannibalize each other, which makes them look both worse in the long run.
Plus, Wyatt needs to play off of characters he can freak out, which is where all of his draw and popularity comes from, which is completely impossible with Stone Cold Ambrose, since he is the opposite of that. The guy who is not afraid of -anything-.

I agree about Rowan.
he really developed nicely, and I hope they keep pushing him as a serious monster.
The few appearances he had so far, he looked rather good for the most part.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 23, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
But at least we have TNA as an alternative, right? Right?  :D
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 23, 2014, 09:36:51 PM
I'd rather see Orton get a face repush than that generic roid monster klutz Ryback. I'm somewhat concerned for Rusev, and not because I am too worried about him losing the feud.
Granted he is out with an injury. Old Henry and Show are fairly up there too but at least they can do some power moves, for what it is worth.


Orton works better as a heel.  His last face push didn't go so well.  But I think he might be able to pull it off now.  Obviously way better than one-dimensional Ryback.

Show is so lazy these days, he can't be bothered to do the choke slam so he has the "knock out punch" which is already lazy by itself, but watching Slow throw the slowest turd punches that are sold as instant KO's makes it even worse.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2014, 09:50:47 PM
I like Orton as a tweener that way he can play up to the Viper or psycho he is always said to be by attacking whoever. But he either goes to full babyface or full heel...which somehow always leads him to cowardly heel usual bullied by Triple H.

And the New Day, I still say it can work. They work well as a team and each combo has a finisher all their own. That's pretty cool. Plus...dear lord, can't we just have an African American faction who isn't angry and evil just once?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 24, 2014, 02:23:37 AM
The Shield's split has been so weird for everybody.

Reigns: Basically all but chosen as THE GUY for no adequately explored reason beyond his cool punch and his look (OK so he's scrumptious and that plays in his favor). Hasn't really beaten anybody yet, and only has a few months to gain some real cred.

Rollins: Got the Heel Push that usually follows the most-pushed member, but kind of became a snivelling Underclass guy underneath Triple-H AND Orton, and how has J&J Security as buddies. He really has zero credibility as a star because he's beaten so few guys. Like was said, linking him with Cena has been a disaster for him.

Ambrose: Has a real thing going as a "Crazy Roddy Piper"-like babyface, but both failed to get his revenge against Rollins, and is now stuck with Bray Wyatt in a never-ending dull feud.

So basically, they're all further up the card as solo acts than they ever were as just "Shield" members, but they're all desperately in need of some credibility, and the best part of The Shield, their amazing long-form matches on RAW & PPV, is basically gone. None of them are really putting on classics anymore, and none have connected with the crowd as much as they really SHOULD have.

Still better off than Wyatt was compared to last year, though. Woof...

Reigns could of worked

but he got injured at a REAL bad time. They could of had a nice storyline now to build toward mania and took thier time. But now everything sped up
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
I'm going to take a risk and check this out tonight, since it is possible we'll see a neat angle kick off, but if Cena's giving another 30 minute speech at the start of it, I'm right out again.

Fuck that guy.

So, predictions of an Orton appearance?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 29, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
A Daniel Bryan tweet from a couple of hours ago

https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/status/549687768314839040

I wonder if this is it for him in the ring? Or if it's more of a tune in carrot by the E?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
Probably an update about his... health.

Oh, this does not bode well, with Edge's retiring speech at the beginning right away.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
Oh, there is Cena.
Fuck Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 08:16:28 PM
Am I the only person who has just never cared about Lesnar? I mean... more Heyman is fine and dandy, and I'm glad he has stuff to do. But to me, Lesnar was always Goldberg +1 wrestling skill, -5 charisma. I was bored of him in his initial run, and this run is even worse.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 08:22:06 PM
Oh good, now Ziggler is getting fed to Umaga 2.0
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:36:12 PM
Am I the only person who has just never cared about Lesnar? I mean... more Heyman is fine and dandy, and I'm glad he has stuff to do. But to me, Lesnar was always Goldberg +1 wrestling skill, -5 charisma. I was bored of him in his initial run, and this run is even worse.

Obviously it's his good looks.
(http://i.imgur.com/oJU8FRE.gif)

Yeah, we knew Ziggler wouldn't win that match, nor would he lose his belt, so Rusev had to "flip out".
Ryback comes in... so, Rusev is going to get his major loss to elevate Ryback?
WWE creative y u so suck?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on December 29, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
Am I the only person who has just never cared about Lesnar? I mean... more Heyman is fine and dandy, and I'm glad he has stuff to do. But to me, Lesnar was always Goldberg +1 wrestling skill, -5 charisma. I was bored of him in his initial run, and this run is even worse.

 I was never a huge fan of brawk either. I find him quite boring, Heyman is barely holding my interest in the champ as of late and I love me some Heyman.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:41:51 PM
Ryback tries to talk.
(http://www.nicknotas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ive_Made_a_Huge_Mistake.jpg)

...The fuck is he talking about?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:44:00 PM
"The WWE broke my leg at about a thousand points.
I'm so happy that I'm in the WWE."

what?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 08:44:47 PM
Ryback tries to talk.
(http://www.nicknotas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ive_Made_a_Huge_Mistake.jpg)

...The fuck is he talking about?

It's the Ryback Story!

Because.... fuck us. That's why.

Actually... I don't hate this. It harkens back to that "Just let the wrestlers be themselves" idea that is better than whatever Creative poops out for them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:48:25 PM
Ryback tries to talk.
(http://www.nicknotas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ive_Made_a_Huge_Mistake.jpg)

...The fuck is he talking about?

It's the Ryback Story!

Because.... fuck us. That's why.

Actually... I don't hate this. It harkens back to that "Just let the wrestlers be themselves" idea that is better than whatever Creative poops out for them.

After listening to him talk, I -wish- Creative had written something for him.

Oh, Taken 3 commercial.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 29, 2014, 08:55:05 PM
"The WWE broke my leg at about a thousand points.
I'm so happy that I'm in the WWE."

what?

More like who. That's the future of the WWE talking. ;D
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 29, 2014, 08:58:07 PM
Are they trying to turn Natalya heel and Nikki face?
Because I'm really getting crossed wires here in that match.

That said, they actually had the Divas match shorter than Ryback's speech, no surprise they never gain traction, or can develop (even if it involves Blandtalya and Nik-IneedtobeinPlayboy-ki Bella).

"The WWE broke my leg at about a thousand points.
I'm so happy that I'm in the WWE."

what?

More like who. That's the future of the WWE talking. ;D

Welp, we're screwed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
As always, Tyson Kidd was the best part of that match.


And I didn't mind the Ryback speech.  It was nice to hear him say something that wasn't gorilla speak and angry man stuff.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 29, 2014, 09:11:23 PM
Vince is so out of touch at this point that he may actually consider pushing that jabroni as a main eventer. After Khali and TNA's Abyss, I can't go through another z leveler at the top push.

I still think and hope Rusev goes over at the Rumble. But on the off chance they let Ryback break his streak, look out. The thought of Cena and Ryback being 1 and 2 is depressing on a whole new level.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 29, 2014, 09:16:01 PM
You have got to be kidding. The fucking Usos as champs again?   ::)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
You have got to be kidding. The fucking Usos as champs again?   ::)

I know. I thought the same thing. Who cares about these two?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 09:27:38 PM
Because it wasn't bad enough that Ryback got a monologue, here's Cesaro!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 09:28:59 PM
Oh shit! Barrett's back! And apparently a face!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 09:31:49 PM
I like the Usos,  you jerks and that was a great match!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
I like the Usos,  you jerks and that was a great match!!!

It was a pretty good match, but... what is the point of giving them the belts? Just so they have something to do? They're just a mediocre tag team.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 09:38:15 PM
You have got to be kidding. The fucking Usos as champs again?   ::)

I know. I thought the same thing. Who cares about these two?

The children.  The same people that keep Cena in the front of the pack.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 29, 2014, 09:41:09 PM
You have got to be kidding. The fucking Usos as champs again?   ::)

I know. I thought the same thing. Who cares about these two?

The children.  The same people that keep Cena in the front of the pack.

Thats the thing. The whole product is created around people in their single digit years now.

Cena, the Usos, possible Mighty Mouse gimmicks, bunnies, midgets in various dress ups, etc.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
I want to jump into my monitor and rape Summer Rae even more because of your gif.  Never change it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 09:54:28 PM
Oh hey... we already let Ryback and Cesaro blather on the microphone. I wonder if Reigns will get to, as well? Go for the hat trick of guys who can't talk.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
Bryan's in the Rumble!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 10:43:04 PM
YES?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 10:49:11 PM
And here we see the Legion of Ascension.  Looks like they'll be destroying Mizdow and Miz.

Surprised they didn't feed them Gold and Stardust instead.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 11:15:42 PM
And the Authority returns.


I also liked Cole saying that Edge has a broken neck.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
NOOOOOOOO!!!

It was over! We were finished! This isn't fair!! It isn't fair!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 11:23:11 PM
If Cena has the power to bring them back, can't he just say "JUST KIDDING" and have it not count?

What a weak way to bring them back.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
And why didn't anyone else come out to help? Bryan was there, The Usos, any of the babyfaces?

Like I mentioned earlier the SS Team (not counting Cena because he's a jerk) actually became true companions and have come to help each other out all the time. So...where were they?

Plus wasn't it the idea for the Authority to get the belt off of Brock, and Seth tried to cash in, and...

Sigh, I knew the last few weeks were too good to be true. I mean I knew it would happen somehow...but it's been barely a month! WTF? So Survivor Series had no lasting point whatsoever.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 29, 2014, 11:27:42 PM
What WWE PPV does?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 11:31:14 PM
Oh. Wait. My bad. I mean "WWE Special Event."  :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 30, 2014, 12:22:57 AM

Thats the thing. The whole product is created around people in their single digit years now.

Cena, the Usos, possible Mighty Mouse gimmicks, bunnies, midgets in various dress ups, etc.

I was actually thinking about that recently.
I am pretty sure the reason why the product is so watered down, PG, and weak is because they try to keep appealing to 6 year olds.
If they would loosen up some, storylines could develop again.
I mean, for heavens sake, these are guys beating the shit out of each other.
How can they keep trying to make it look like the fucking A-Team (without the fun)?

The product is hurting immensely because of that shit.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 30, 2014, 01:06:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/frJ6FKn.jpg)

So they have Reigns pretty much locked down to win the Royal Rumble...
but today Daniel Bryan joined the rumble.

Yeah, if they make Reigns go over Bryan, he'll turn into the next Bootista.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 30, 2014, 05:06:28 AM
Observation:

Natalya is really hot. I mean, she kind of sneaks up on you, because her face is unconventionally attractive, she gets little TV time, and she doesn't show off the goods as much, but... she's really put together. Kind of stocky, but solid. I would totally pay good money to see her take penis on camera.

I still wanna bury my face in Naomi's ass more, and Lana's got that... Lana-ness. But Natalya's up there.


The Cesaro/BNB segment was bizarre to watch. Cesaro was more or less sent out there deliberately to hang a lampshade on how shitty his year had been (seriously, remember when he was a HEYMAN GUY and looked like he was being groomed for the next level?), then have him lose a fairly-short match to Barrett. The crowd was also REALLY DEAD for the majority of the bout, which doesn't bode well for either guy- the lack of definitive Cesaro offense really hurt it (he did low-popularity stuff like submissions), and it seems like BNB'll have to work hard to gain back his old popularity.

It's funny- the online fans have been talking openly of a Reigns Backlash for at least six months, yet it hasn't happened yet. I get the strongest sense that the IWC WANTS to turn Reigns into another Bootista, and will get their wish by hook or by crook as soon as he starts surpassing some of their favourites. Personally, I don't see what's so great about him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 30, 2014, 07:24:58 AM
I went to bed after Bryan's promo. The Authority came back? Better find a recap.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on December 30, 2014, 01:47:13 PM
I wish they'd just take the belt from Lesnar not having the champ around for 2 months was bullshit and he not that amazing or as big of a draw that he doesn't have to be around.  What the fuck has he been doing that he hasn't showed up.  Hell Batista and the Rock had major movies to promote and they still were there for every Raw when they returned.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 30, 2014, 01:50:36 PM
I really think Rollins is currently the best heel on the rooster.
Not only is he fantastic in the role, he is also a great wrestler, and the "Ah, I'll kill him anyway!" line of last night, when he was to break Edge's neck?

Absolutely awesome!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 30, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
(http://www.imagesup.net/?di=12141998106111)
(http://www.imagesup.net/?di=1141998106210)

I don't know Jab, Nattie is looking rough to me lately. Hell she isn't even the best looking chick in her family (that is her sister.)

Rollins really is the best heel going right now. Dastardly, merciless, and even complete with a wicked look and laugh. Can't wait for Trips to come back and steal his shine.  ::)

Supposedly Brock might be leaving again to go back to fighting. If that is true, we are probably and thankfully entering his final few months. At least until the next return. I don't mind Lesnar but this run has been a flop considering how it started out.

You know, quietly we have gotten two pretty good midcard champions at the moment in Ziggler and Rusev. For all the probems the product has, I find myself caring about those titles some. Mostly because the people who possess them almost always make their roles among the better viewing. I just wish Cesaro was credible enough to challenge Rusev. That would be much cooler than fucking Ryback.

Totally concur Necro, regarding the kiddie factor. I don't have an issue with some of the product being tame and silly. But dammit it has gone too far. There are some episodes of Raw and Smackdown where every possible creative fork in the road leads to something watered down and sanitary. Too much of anything is not good and that shit is not helping the product longterm.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on December 30, 2014, 07:24:21 PM
Brock with the Authority is dumb. He should be an unthinking Beast doing his own thing. The need the Authority to get over so they are riding off of Brock for that. Brock being on top is probably the bright spot for WWE right now. I am glad Bryan is coming back. Hopefully that puts an end to Reigns winning the Rumble and beating Brock.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 30, 2014, 07:25:42 PM
Brock with the Authority is dumb. He should be an unthinking Beast doing his own thing. The need the Authority to get over so they are riding off of Brock for that. Brock being on top is probably the bright spot for WWE right now. I am glad Bryan is coming back. Hopefully that puts an end to Reigns winning the Rumble and beating Brock.

Reigns won't win the Rumble if Orton comes back at the Rumble to win it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 30, 2014, 08:41:48 PM
Bryant might win to avoid another backlash
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
No. McMahon will do it again to be spiteful. Or just clueless.

Like Cesaro not connecting with the fans--because you had him stop using the swing, put him in idiot angles, gave him nothing to do, and job him out all the time, you dolt! That's why!

In short...He either doesn't know enough to care, and if he did, he still wouldn't care.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 30, 2014, 09:53:16 PM
No. McMahon will do it again to be spiteful. Or just clueless.

Like Cesaro not connecting with the fans--because you had him stop using the swing, put him in idiot angles, gave him nothing to do, and job him out all the time, you dolt! That's why!

In short...He either doesn't know enough to care, and if he did, he still wouldn't care.

Well can always put him against Cena..turn Cena heel

Namely since they both in a realtionship with a bella
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on December 30, 2014, 10:06:17 PM
Who are making these claims about Lesnar leaving for MMA?

It makes absolutely no sense that this man who was at the pinnacle would return in a diminished capacity.

Who will pay him what the WWE is for not putting his health at such risks?

I think it is wishful thinking on the part of many who don't like Brock.

If Hardy is willing I think the WWE would be smart to bring him back. He is the only wrestler today not on the brand who could walk in and headline a Mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
Yeah, he's really helped with those PPV buyrates or ratings. The best numbers were from Survivor Series where he--was at home doing whatever because someone is dumb enough to pay someone millions to not do anything except show up on RAW and stand around while someone else talks for him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 30, 2014, 11:46:56 PM
Hm, Natalya's sister is a cutie... but I just can't picture her pinning me down, slipping into a strap-on and fucking me up the ass. So Natalya has that on her.


Question: Why the shit does it take Luke Harper something like 12 minutes to beat Jack Swagger, when FUCKING FANDANGO only took like two minutes last week? This booking is so weird.

Also, Wyatt's been turned into a chump- obviously the point of 50/50 booking is that they can pluck guys out of nowhere and suddenly give them huge pushes, but he's had an AWFUL year. First made a fool of by Bryan (the booking necessitated that a bit), then suffered through months with Cena (looking competitive at first, but soon being Hogan'd out). Then a pointless Jericho feud and he's suddenly dropping his followers for no reason. This is why I said he shoulda done some sort of Raven's Flock thing a year ago.

Loving the little "history" bits on this past RAW, though- Edge & Cena reminiscing about old angles, and Ryback's long diatribe about his career are all things WWE should be doing more often. Though Ryback's a useless tit in the ring, that made him a whole lot more likeable. Also weird that his name keeps changing in Kayfabe.

Cole needs to shut up with that "For the win" shit- I've never noticed that till just now, but he's up to three times in one night. Right up there with "Creating Separation!".

haha, Christian's such a little weasel. It's so awesome- "Hey, remember when Edge came to your father's house and slapped him around?", and then he pretends someone asked him something and he bails :).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 31, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
Watched the rest of the show. Complete shit ending (rollins was great in it though).
Really, HHH? You couldnt even stay off screen till WM?

Nice to see BNB. He looked good. The Ascension was hugely underwhelming. Rhe audience sounded bored. I know i was.

Yeah I hope that is not an indication of what we are heading for when they drag out a feud between them and the Usos.

I thought the tag division had hope a while ago. But with the Dust Bros. and Miz/Mizdow basically set aside now, The New Day fizzling, and Cesaro/Kidd really not being impactful, things are looking quite shitty heading into the new year.

Who are making these claims about Lesnar leaving for MMA?

It makes absolutely no sense that this man who was at the pinnacle would return in a diminished capacity.

Who will pay him what the WWE is for not putting his health at such risks?

I think it is wishful thinking on the part of many who don't like Brock.

I'm going by what I am hearing from Meltzer, and people who read his stuff more than I do. Supposedly the E and Brock are having problems coming to a future $$$ for work agreement. Apparently Vince thought Lesnar would move the subscription and numbers needles more than he has.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 31, 2014, 12:46:11 AM
I'm seriously debating taking a break from the product.
I can always keep up via the net.

At this point it is better to just read spoilers on the web than waste time. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 31, 2014, 01:06:34 AM
A year ago I was hot on fire with the WWE stuff, but lately I'm just skipping Smackdown, and watch RAW in fast forward after recording it.
It's really not worth sitting through it anymore, which is a shame, because they have excellent talent in Cesaro, Wyatts, Ambrose, Rollins, but they don't know what the fuck to do with it.

And the Authority back after just... what? 3 weeks?
Fuck that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on December 31, 2014, 03:21:52 AM
You know, Cesaro really had the crowd for a while during the early year... let's see how he's doing after Vince squashed his push and popularity...

Oh, and Smackdown spoilers.

Quote
* Tyson Kidd and Cesaro used a new double team move off the ropes to defeat Los Matadores. The crowd was dead for most of the match.

He's dead, jim.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on December 31, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
Or have Cena pin Brock at the RR and then have Brock beat the crap out of him after the match.  Rollin comes out cash in the MiTB and tell Cena if he wants a shot at him to get the title back he has to bring back the Authority.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
I'm hoping that The Authority is going to try and cash in at the Royal Rumble on whomever because if I were Rollins--this Brock-Authority partnership really stinks!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 01, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
And couldn't The Authority just fire the other members of Team Cena now? I mean, they obviously didn't have a problem with doing it before. I swear, Tuesday I was going to buy SS DVD but then--what's the point? They just killed the importance dead after four weeks?

Seriously, can we have the board bring in some face to share the power I mean...they tried to break a guest host, hall of famer's neck. And that's the recent thing. When a face GM let's a wrestler compete with the sniffles they get replaced.  :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 01, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
At one point Seth said he was going to kill him.


And there would be no repercussions from that?  Nice WWE logic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 01, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
I can rescue them.

The Authority come back and they setup Brock for an assault. Now you have Brock back on the outside as a loose cannon for everyone. Brock then comes back and destroys Rollins.

Part 2.

Judas?

The Authority start to show doubt in Rollins and try to lure Reigns back into the fold. Reigns gives everyone the impression he might turn.

Part 3.

Ascension

Ziggler calls out Brock and does so until he attacks Heyman forcing Brock to respond.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 02, 2015, 03:26:25 AM
Been watching this week's NXT, and I quite like Finn and Hideo, although I have to say they already look small against someone like the Ascension.
They will look like dwarves when they are going to go up against the likes of Kane and the Giant.
I fear that will have Vince neuter them right away (again).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 02, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
JBL and Cole claim that Ryback was not completely knocked out by Big Slow's lazy knockout punch, ignoring the fact that he did that to Cena days ago on RAW, who was moving into curbstomp position immediately after being hit by it.


Building up for Ryback to beat Rusev and suck while doing it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 02, 2015, 09:55:05 PM
I think it's a tease and Rusev will get by Ryback. It sure as hell better be as Ryback is not top card material.

Regardless, I hope they are not dumb with Rusev and abandon him after he takes his first pinfall or submission loss.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 03, 2015, 01:36:52 AM
Bo Dallas was undefeated for a bit.  Look at him now.



Oh, you can't  look at him now, he hasn't been on TV in months!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 03, 2015, 01:49:58 AM
It's hilarious how quickly they gave up on Jobdango, Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. They really have no confidence in anybody, and love to do the never-ending Humiliation Conga just to test their guys' resolve.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 03, 2015, 02:09:58 AM
It's hilarious how quickly they gave up on Jobdango, Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. They really have no confidence in anybody, and love to do the never-ending Humiliation Conga just to test their guys' resolve.

It isn't just that.  If they gain any popularity they do everything they can to destroy it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 03, 2015, 02:32:37 AM
None of those people had Vladimir Putin as their liege though. If Vince knows what is good for him, he won't fuck with that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 03, 2015, 02:52:08 AM
a lost alone doesnt bury people

I mean if your character cant survive one lost..its a pretty shitty gimmik

Now what they do AFTER that lost is key
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
Yeah, I mean, nobody jumps on the loser's bandwagon. That's why there are only fifty known Jacksonville Jaguar fans.

There's a reason why "Loser angles" always lead where the guy was or down even more. Wins matter. Hell, book Sin Cara to win every week and even he'd get some traction!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 03, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
They cant do anything if they get buried, though.

One Lost alone though isn't neccesarly a burial

I mean in any fight SOMEONE got to lose. Doesnt mean the other guy buried.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 04, 2015, 02:15:27 AM
Watching Smackdown right now, since bored and not much else to do, and you know what would make the show interesting again?
If Heyman was to backstab the Authority, and give rise to another faction within the WWE.

Suddenly the whole thing would be fun again, and I could probably endure the Authority again, if they had a real power struggle at their hands.

I rather liked Rowan vs. Bray, because of the interaction that went along with the (entertaining, if not spectacular) match, when Bray would talk to Rowan, and he'd show some slight loyalty again, only to be sister abigail'ed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 04, 2015, 02:38:53 AM
Kidd/Cesaro vs. El Matadores was actually fun.
Surprisingly.
I think the whole douchiness of Kidd really sells it.
I mean, I always enjoyed teams that consisted of someone technically versatile and agile and a strong-guy, but here Cesaro, the muscle, also has quite a bit of skill to add, so, plus their antics, it makes it enjoyable to watch em.
Of course they were absolutely randomly thrown together, but in this case it seems to work.

The Ascension.
Holy crap are they crap.
And WWE has apparently so little trust in them, that, for the first time in an eternity, they actually make them win against honest to god jobbers, instead of usually the "enhancement talent".
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 04, 2015, 03:28:28 AM
You aren't kidding about The Ascension. My God are they AWFUL.

They look dumb. Their promos so far are lousy. Their wrestling is nondescript and loose. Their finisher sucks.

They are seriously setting aside teams like Miz & Mizdow and Gold & Stardust for these guys?  ::)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 04, 2015, 09:02:40 AM
I'm willing to give KiddAro a chance, if only because the tag division is so thin, they have talent, and Nattie cleavage.

Totally agree on the Ascension. Them comparing themselves to LoD and Demolition? Nuh uh, guys, others (for good or ill) compare you to classic teams, you dont compare yourselves.
Absolutely. They may as well just bill themselves as Legion of Demolition if thats how they wanna do it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
Steph is still immensely yummy.

Also, Seth has grown wonderfully into the role of a heel.
Wishing Cena a "happy new year"? Now that's awesome.

Hm, I really did not look forward to Brock vs Cena #139 at the RR, but with them adding Seth to it, it suddenly becomes interesting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
I was about ready to say that was a too short match for two guys who can work.......
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
(http://www.memegene.net/media/created/i47tp4.jpg)

This shit is getting -really- fucking old at this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 05, 2015, 08:38:29 PM
Ziggler drops the IC belt in the lead-up to the Rumble, and I suddenly have hope that my fantasy booking might actually happen.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 08:50:44 PM
Ziggler drops the IC belt in the lead-up to the Rumble, and I suddenly have hope that my fantasy booking might actually happen.
You're adorable.

Oh, look there, the Asucktion enters the ring.
Well, that promo had X-Pac levels of response from the audience.
They are probably bewildered over the sheer terribleness of it.

Oh, and they are fighting jobbers again.
What a completely underwhelming introduction this was so far.
Also, music sucks. Again.

LOL JBL straight out buried them in commentary.
Isn't he usually the guy who cheers for the heels?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 08:59:15 PM
Oh, look there, the Asucktion enters the ring.
Well, that promo had X-Pac levels of response from the audience.
They are probably bewildered over the sheer terribleness of it.

Oh, and they are fighting jobbers again.
What a completely underwhelming introduction this was so far.
Also, music sucks. Again.

LOL JBL straight out buried them in commentary.
Isn't he usually the guy who cheers for the heels?

I'm sorry for anything critical I have said about JBL. (Well not really, but.........) Guy was 100% right here though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 05, 2015, 09:02:19 PM
Was he all like "THESE GUYS ARE TERRIBLE MAGGLE!"?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
I still find it weird how they try to pretend that the last Total Diva episode just happened the day prior to RAW, even though they're talking about Summer Slam.

Paige shows up to support Nattie during her match, just because they were together on Total Divas last night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 09:19:49 PM
Pretty much.
They were talking shit about the Road Warriors and such, and JBL pretty much said they are full of shit.

Also, why is Nattie wearing a shirt that's cut in the way AJ Lee's are?

But holy heck, was it ever a fantastic idea to add Paige to Nattie, because the charismatic black hole miss sharpshooter was is really nicely countered by Paige's energy and acting.

Yes, it's because of Total Divas, but Nattie is so horribly boring on her own, and Paige is so much fun.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 09:24:56 PM
On a sidenote, I -really- love Erick Rowan's entrance music, maybe because it's so different from the the terrible themes of the Ascension, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, etc
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
It's like Jim Johnson got overwhelmed with having to make so many themes at once when the Shield broke up, that he just half assed it.

Dean, Seth, Cesaro, Legion of Doom, all half assed musics.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
Summer helping out Naomi after Alicia Fox beats her up?   BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SHE'S A HEEL!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 05, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
It's like Jim Johnson got overwhelmed with having to make so many themes at once when the Shield broke up, that he just half assed it.

Dean, Seth, Cesaro, Legion of Doom, all half assed musics.

That's because it's not by Jim Johnson.
He has two people who work on themes instead of him, and, not surprisingly, they are mostly awful.
The guy who did the Seth Rollins theme for example is called "CFO$".
Yep, CFO$.

He also did the Cesaro turd, the Ambrose shit, and some more
https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/cfo$/id631705338

Quote
Historically, most WWE entrance themes have been created by Jim Johnston since the 1980s,[6] while in recent times, themes have been written or performed by John Alicastro and Mike Lauri,[7] known collectively as CFO$ and Kromestatik. The label is currently under the management of Neil Lawi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Music_Group
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 09:49:55 PM
CFO$ did Sammy Zaye's theme, so they aren't completely terrible.  They've done a few others that aren't bad.  But this shit is garbage.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 05, 2015, 10:10:42 PM
damm Ambrose win lost record is terrible
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 10:19:59 PM
And Dean Ambrose loses another feud. And water is still wet and the WWE is still horrible.

Dear lord, I never thought I would say this--I can't wait for Impact to come back on. I mean, yeah, it's TNA...but at least they try to do better.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 10:34:53 PM
And Dean Ambrose loses another feud. And water is still wet and the WWE is still horrible.

Dear lord, I never thought I would say this--I can't wait for Impact to come back on. I mean, yeah, it's TNA...but at least they try to do better.

Watch Lucha Underground and NXT instead.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 10:41:01 PM
I watch LU on one of my other channels that shows a replay. :)

Wow. So is every good guy going to lose tonight? Well, that's not depressing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
I watch LU on one of my other channels that shows a replay. :)

Wow. So is every good guy going to lose tonight? Well, that's not depressing.

The Authority is in power again.  Get used to it.  Triple H couldn't handle being out of the spotlight for three weeks, so he had to shoehorn his way back in.

I'm sure he'll find a way to compete in an actual match in the next few months.  Maybe at WrestleMania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 10:47:58 PM
Eh, I honestly haven't been watching. I got a few WWF SummerSlam DVDS and tuned in and out. Saw the first segment and...I didn't come back until right when Wyatt won. Then I channel surfed found that Celebrity Apprentice is on and decided Trump is the lesser to two evils.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
Everyone except Cena is FIIIIRRRREEEDD!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 11:15:14 PM
Didn't take the authority long to place themselves back at the forefront of the product. The egos involved are overwhelming.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 11:17:53 PM
So...couldn't they have, I don't know, attacked Triple H after being fired or--nah, what am I say, they were in too big an awe of Triple H!

Then again, Cena could have helped his friends tonight...but he never did before.

And was I the only one hoping Bad News Barrett was going to be a face? Is he the ant-Ricky Steamboat? He cannot be a face or the universe would implode or something? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 11:18:08 PM
Didn't take the authority long to place themselves back at the forefront of the product. The egos involved are overwhelming.

Remember last year when HHH brought back Evolution so he could throw himself not only into the spotlight, but the main event, again?  Expect this to happen again this year.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 11:20:13 PM

And was I the only one hoping Bad News Barrett was going to be a face? Is he the ant-Ricky Steamboat? He cannot be a face or the universe would implode or something? :)

If he is a heel and gets over (like before he got injured) WWE will change his character to ruin him.

The bullhammer is fucking lame, though.  It only was good when Lex Lugar did it, and ONLY because we were lead to believe he had a giant steel plate in his forearm that made it hurt more.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 11:48:57 PM
Okay, so Wyatt won because...the WWE might have him have a match with the UT

Are they crazy?! Let the UT rest. The Streak is over and the poor guy is finally looking his age.

Heck, since we're going with Reigns vs Lesnar. When Reigns wins, have UT hand him the belt, shake his hand, and walk off to let him have the moment. There you build up Reigns by having the UT pass the torch to him. Easy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 06, 2015, 12:45:05 AM
I have a terrible thought. What if they go with the worn out "You can get your job back if you win your match at the Royal Rumble" act? And Ryback gets matched up with Rusev?  :-[
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 06, 2015, 01:55:13 AM
So...couldn't they have, I don't know, attacked Triple H after being fired or--nah, what am I say, they were in too big an awe of Triple H!

Then again, Cena could have helped his friends tonight...but he never did before.

And was I the only one hoping Bad News Barrett was going to be a face? Is he the ant-Ricky Steamboat? He cannot be a face or the universe would implode or something? :)

To be fair no face come out for another face. Their all dicks. You remember when Bryant use to get Jumped all the time

heck Edge was about to get his neck broken
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 06, 2015, 02:15:56 AM
I'm quite frankly not sure where they are even going with the whole Cena thing, and firing these other guys.
I mean, sure, it won't last for even 2 weeks, no doubt, but the whole thing feels disjointed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 06, 2015, 05:33:19 AM
So...couldn't they have, I don't know, attacked Triple H after being fired or--nah, what am I say, they were in too big an awe of Triple H!

Then again, Cena could have helped his friends tonight...but he never did before.

And was I the only one hoping Bad News Barrett was going to be a face? Is he the ant-Ricky Steamboat? He cannot be a face or the universe would implode or something? :)

To be fair no face come out for another face. Their all dicks. You remember when Bryant use to get Jumped all the time

heck Edge was about to get his neck broken

The last few weeks Team Cena had actually stuck together and helped each other. Well, not Cena. Cena is the worst friend you can have in wrestling.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 06, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
Reigns must never be allowed to talk again. That shit was painful.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 06, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
Reigns must never be allowed to talk again. That shit was painful.

I know.  Hey, lets make "main event" material out of guys who have no personality and can't talk.  You have Ryback, the RRRAARRRWW angry dumb ape, and Reigns, the more reserved dumb ape who does a horrible Scent of a Woman impression in the ring when he's about to do his shitty moves.

But they are big guys, so Vince gets hard by watching them.  Therefore, push to top star material.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 06, 2015, 04:34:50 PM
Reigns must never be allowed to talk again. That shit was painful.

I know.  Hey, lets make "main event" material out of guys who have no personality and can't talk.  You have Ryback, the RRRAARRRWW angry dumb ape, and Reigns, the more reserved dumb ape who does a horrible Scent of a Woman impression in the ring when he's about to do his shitty moves.

But they are big guys, so Vince gets hard by watching them.  Therefore, push to top star material.

I should know better than to read your posts while drinking something. There goes the keyboard again.

But seriously last night was a test case in what is wrong with the product. The wrestling (Bray/Dean, Ziggs/BNB) had it's fine moments for sure. But the product direction and writing is so craptacular, that it doesn't even matter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 06, 2015, 05:26:45 PM
I have a terrible thought. What if they go with the worn out "You can get your job back if you win your match at the Royal Rumble" act? And Ryback gets matched up with Rusev?  :-[

Why is the IWC so far up Rusev's nuts? He's not bad (and when he wrestles, I'm always more impressed with him than I thought I was before), but out of all the young guys who I want to see have a bright future, he'd be about the tenth best I could think of. I don't love Ryback by any means, but I'd be fine with his beating Rusev.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 06, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
I have a terrible thought. What if they go with the worn out "You can get your job back if you win your match at the Royal Rumble" act? And Ryback gets matched up with Rusev?  :-[

Why is the IWC so far up Rusev's nuts? He's not bad (and when he wrestles, I'm always more impressed with him than I thought I was before), but out of all the young guys who I want to see have a bright future, he'd be about the tenth best I could think of. I don't love Ryback by any means, but I'd be fine with his beating Rusev.

Because he shows maturity beyond his experience and was doing good work from pretty much his first feud. (Even his squash matches were rather good, by admittedly modest squash match standards.)

Because he moves better than some guys forty or fifty pounds lighter.

Because he doesn't just have a standard big guy moveset, but actually demonstrates skills and strikes.

Because he's a top seller both in and after match.

Because he has a super hot and really effective in character manager with Lana.

Because he took a gimmick almost everyone was crapping on at first and has made it work.

And while it does not have as much to do with his popularity, I see promise on the mic too.

Ryback going over him would be a waste. Ryback being pushed further up the card as a result would be the E's version of 2010 Abyss. (Well maybe not quite that bad, but close enough.)
Title: Smackdown 1/9 spoilers and Main Event finale
Post by: Imperial on January 07, 2015, 04:02:52 AM
Jack Swagger vs. Titus O’Neil

Titus attacks early put gets caught in the Patriot Lock. He breaks the hold and goes right back to it, but is dumped to the floor as they cut to commercial. After the break, Titus has actually managed to gain control. He fires away with big rights and lefts in the corner, and stays on top with power moves for a few minutes. Jack comes back with a belly-to-belly and actually connects with the Swagger Bomb for a two-count. The ref calls for a ropebreak even though he was three feet away, and the announcers give him hell for it. Swagger gets upset over the call and turns around into Clash of the Titus for the upset victory. Upset? Sure. Upset.

Winner: TITUS O’NEIL

* SmackDown kicks off with an in-ring promo from Seth Rollins, Joey Mercury and Jamie Noble. Roman Reigns interrupts to a big pop. Reigns ends up clearing the ring but Big Show comes out. Big Show and The Authority vs. Reigns is announced for tonight and Reigns must find a tag team partner.

* Adam Rose makes his way out and The Authority are shown on the big screen. The New Day comes out and Big E defeats Rose.

* The Ascension cut a promo in the ring and squashed two local wrestlers.

* Alicia Fox defeated Naomi with her foot on the rope.

* The Usos defeated Goldust & Stardust and The Miz & Damien Sandow in a Triple Threat to retain their titles. Goldust got pinned.

* Sin Cara defeated Bad News Barrett clean in a non-title match. Barrett hit him with the Bullhammer after the match.

* Seth Rollins and Big Show vs. Roman Reigns and a partner is the main event. Nobody comes out for Reigns at first but finally the music of Dean Ambrose hits and out he comes. Ambrose and Reigns win when Reigns spears Rollins. This was the end of SmackDown.

Within two weeks of his return and a day after winning the IC title, Barrett is jobbing to someone who goes months without tv?

Rollins gets added to the main event at their second biggest PPV and then takes another pinfall instead of Big Show?

Another Ascension promo and jobber match?

Swagger jobs to Titus?

(http://i.imgur.com/9Otu91q.gif)
This fucking company never learns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 07, 2015, 08:36:11 AM
No way. The BNB gimmick would be great as a face. And it would be different. I'm so POed about that. I was hoping he would be a face and then--well, WWE, just whatever the hell goes into McMahon's head the hour before showtime, I guess.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 09, 2015, 08:43:41 PM
Alicia Fox has a great character and isn't too bad of a wrestler.  Time to bury her.  No more than two Divas at a time are allowed to have personalities.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 09, 2015, 09:17:36 PM
And the Gaysos defend their belts again, and keep them.  All the children cheer.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on January 09, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Decide to give Smackdown a shot. BNB loses non-title match to Sin Cara after just having ended Ziggler's reign. Channel changed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 09, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
Alicia Fox has a great character and isn't too bad of a wrestler.  Time to bury her.  No more than two Divas at a time are allowed to have personalities.
It's infuriating, especially because Alicia is really good, if they let her show her skills.

Decide to give Smackdown a shot. BNB loses non-title match to Sin Cara after just having ended Ziggler's reign. Channel changed.

That was me the last half dozen RAW's, every time they started it out with Cena talking.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 09, 2015, 11:08:06 PM

It's infuriating, especially because Alicia is really good, if they let her show her skills.


Just like Summer Rae.  Great in NXT, and made everyone stop and actually watch her first match in the WWE.  After that, she was told to be an idiot and limit her moveset to...two.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 10, 2015, 12:21:20 AM
Screaming.
Don't forget she was told to scream a lot...

...god, I hate the screaming.
Her first match, like you said, was perfectly ok, then the second one she suddenly stopped using moves and screamed like... the bellas.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 10, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
Indeed.  As bad as it is, I'd rather listen to her scream than the Bella scream.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 11, 2015, 07:24:57 AM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on January 11, 2015, 09:51:17 AM
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This actually almost made me like him.

Almost.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 11, 2015, 12:02:53 PM
What happened. Someone explain please.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 11, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Apparently Vince himself is writing the lines for Reigns, which explains the "Succotash" thing.
I have no clue wtf a succotash even is.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 11, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
It's what Sylvester has to eat instead of Tweety. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on January 11, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
Apparently Vince himself is writing the lines for Reigns, which explains the "Succotash" thing.
I have no clue wtf a succotash even is.

That was the lamest promo I've ever heard. It just goes to show how out of touch McMahon is.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 12, 2015, 01:28:27 AM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on January 12, 2015, 02:04:51 AM
To be fair, the last thing Vince probably remembers watching on TV was Looney tunes during its original airing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 12, 2015, 02:16:08 AM
Yup

Vince was born just as World War Two was wrapping up. So he would have been a prime candidate to see first run Looney Tunes on early tv and in theatre shorts in the 50's.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 12, 2015, 03:25:09 AM
Apparently Vince himself is writing the lines for Reigns, which explains the "Succotash" thing.
I have no clue wtf a succotash even is.

That was the lamest promo I've ever heard. It just goes to show how out of touch McMahon is.

Let's look at some of Vince's ideas over the years...

Quote
* Vince McMahon has given his approval for a storyline involving incest. The angle would involve Ohio Valley Wrestling wrestlers Katie Lea and Paul Burchill. The angle would likely take place on either ECW or Raw, because there is some concern that it would get the wrong kind of heat if it were to take place on SmackDown — which is on network television.

McMahon has wanted to do an incest angle for years. He once suggested that he be the father of his daughter Stephanie’s baby. As revealed on the McMahon DVD, Stephanie turned down the angle. According to her, Vince was to reveal himself as the father of her baby; when she said no, he pushed for Shane to be the father, but he turned that idea down as well.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/211225-backstage-update-vince-mcmahon-approves-incest-storyline-2

...yeah, he really should stop being involved.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 12, 2015, 08:39:55 PM
see that Cena and Seth match

shows sometime the storyline to powerfull

because if they can pull shit like that..what really the point of fighting them

That why I hope maybe they building a wyatts vs the Authority. You need a group who kind of dont give a shit..fire them and they still show up to fight them
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2015, 08:55:21 PM
Okay...why are the Usos and Ambrose being such tools.

Stephanie books Naomi in a match with her hand tied and they just walk away and Ambrose--

AMBROSE IS INSANE! He's in a room, alone, with one of the two people making his life miserable--AND HE DOES NOTHING!

This is why I hate The Authority. The good guiys always come across as wusses.

Heck, why are you even bothering the Usos. They obviously didn't care about Ziggler and the rest since they didn't even bother to help like the rest of the faces.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 12, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
Okay...why are the Usos and Ambrose being such tools.

Stephanie books Naomi in a match with her hand tied and they just walk away and Ambrose--

AMBROSE IS INSANE! He's in a room, alone, with one of the two people making his life miserable--AND HE DOES NOTHING!

This is why I hate The Authority. The good guiys always come across as wusses.

Heck, why are you even bothering the Usos. They obviously didn't care about Ziggler and the rest since they didn't even bother to help like the rest of the faces.

Just compare that to how Stone Cold would react
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 12, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
Oh man. Remember about 12 months ago when Big Show was VEHEMENTLY anti-Authority, and he was extremely sympathetic to Daniel Bryan's cause?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 09:07:37 PM
Oh man. Remember about 12 months ago when Big Show was VEHEMENTLY anti-Authority, and he was extremely sympathetic to Daniel Bryan's cause?

I remember him stealing the Yes chant to get cheap applause.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 09:09:08 PM
It does seem Reigns took some lessons on how to talk while he was away.  He's not as terrible as he was before.

Definitely more personality than Ryback.  Too bad he's going to be in a feud with Big Slow it seems, the laziest man in the business.

On the bright side, it can't be worse than a Show Vs Henry match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 12, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
see that be a perfect time for Cena to come out. he does have a beef with show now. But NOPE
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 09:33:14 PM
Why is Steph making Naomi do this?  Is there reasoning behind it, or is it "just because"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 12, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
It does seem Reigns took some lessons on how to talk while he was away.  He's not as terrible as he was before.

the rumor was they had him take acting classes while he was injured.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
It does seem Reigns took some lessons on how to talk while he was away.  He's not as terrible as he was before.

the rumor was they had him take acting classes while he was injured.

Why don't they do that with everyone who can't talk, I wonder.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 12, 2015, 09:41:21 PM
man Heyman always got to do heavy lifting with Brock

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 09:57:02 PM
I also notice we got to see Curtis Axel tonight.  Must be nice for him to actually get a paycheck for once, the poor guy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 12, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
He's currently working in NXT.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
His wrestling is fine.  He just needs to not be a charisma black hole.  Needs to learn to speak and actually have a character.



BTW, Hayman and by extension, Lesnar came out when the Authority regained power.  Why would they be happy about that?  Especially since Seth is clearly the Authority guy who's challenging Brock for his title? 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 12, 2015, 10:56:50 PM
The heck was the Ambrose/Rusev match about?
And are they overdrawing tonight?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2015, 11:04:12 PM
Wow. Ambrose lost and got laid out. SHOCKING! I've never seen any company reject making money quite like the WWE does.

Seriously, WWE, you couldn't bring in the awesomeness of Dr. Shelby for your lame shrink garbage?

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 13, 2015, 12:12:11 AM
dvR cut off at the end

can anyone tell me what happen in the last couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on January 13, 2015, 04:25:02 AM
Cena started hitting Rollins, Brock suplexed Cena and then Rollins. Cena gave Brock the AA through the table but got curbstomped by Rollins. Then Rollins gave Brock the Curbstomp.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 13, 2015, 06:24:59 AM
Okay...why are the Usos and Ambrose being such tools.

Stephanie books Naomi in a match with her hand tied and they just walk away and Ambrose--

AMBROSE IS INSANE! He's in a room, alone, with one of the two people making his life miserable--AND HE DOES NOTHING!

This is why I hate The Authority. The good guiys always come across as wusses.

Heck, why are you even bothering the Usos. They obviously didn't care about Ziggler and the rest since they didn't even bother to help like the rest of the faces.

Just compare that to how Stone Cold would react

Heck, I'd take how Jericho would react. At least he'd insult her, not pout and walk away.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 13, 2015, 09:13:13 AM
The best part about the Cena curb stomp is that he hobbled into position for it like Gollum.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 15, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
Everytime I hear faggot Cole say "USO CRAZY" I want to kill myself.  He's fucking horrible.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 16, 2015, 02:59:39 AM
He over-uses "For The Win!" all the goddamn time, too. I swear he used it THREE TIMES in one match on RAW.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 16, 2015, 03:34:24 AM
Cant make fun of you for that.
Its right up there with Heyman's old "Gore! Gore! Gore!"
I enjoyed that though :'(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 16, 2015, 12:58:18 PM
He over-uses "For The Win!" all the goddamn time, too. I swear he used it THREE TIMES in one match on RAW.
"The Power of XYZ!"
I am so tired of that one.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 16, 2015, 03:02:14 PM
Well, Bryan looked good last night.

Sin Cara one arm powerbombing Barrett was awesome...course he lost because--everyone has to look like a nimrod right after accomplishing something or doing something impressive. (See also Kofi Kingston Royal Rumbe)

And it's nice to see some good guys come out and help.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 18, 2015, 10:40:29 AM
LittleKuriboh (of Yugioh The Abridged Series fame) talks wrestling...

http://poke-tournaments.no-ip.org/viewt.php?id=13
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on January 19, 2015, 12:21:45 PM
He over-uses "For The Win!" all the goddamn time, too. I swear he used it THREE TIMES in one match on RAW.
"The Power of XYZ!"
I am so tired of that one.

No hate for "Vintage So and So" ?


And Necro, I think you put up the wrong link.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 19, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
Did Brock just turn face?


And Necro, I think you put up the wrong link.
Whatcha talking boot, willis?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 08:11:12 PM
I think so, just so he could drop the belt to Seth.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 19, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
I think so, just so he could drop the belt to Seth.

Seth is a fantastic wrestler and personality, and I take him wearing the belt for 6 months over yet another Cena reign.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 19, 2015, 08:19:04 PM
Ugh, fucks sake... do they really try to make Cena win the Rumble?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 08:28:38 PM
You read my mind, Necro. He' ll lose his chance and will have to fight through the rumble to get his shot at wrestlemania.
 Guessing they are starting to sour on reigns headling wrestlemania.
 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 19, 2015, 08:33:33 PM
..now they are feeding Bray to Daniel, just after getting some respect back, by beating down Ambrose (another shitty storyline, since both needed solid wins).

Oh, wait...
(http://www.memegene.net/media/created/i47tp4.jpg)
Fuck is creative doing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Daniel Bryan getting cheers again?

Quick, add him to the roster of the New Day!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 19, 2015, 08:46:11 PM
NICE. Straight-up job Bryan out. He doesn't even get the typical Raw DQ Run-In finish. He just gets to stare at the lights.

In case we forgot what WWE thinks of him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 08:57:26 PM
Scott hall is looking pretty good there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 08:59:37 PM
LOL, Sandow got me, I was like. Damn, X-crap is holding pretty well there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 09:18:42 PM
Rick Flair gets knocked out.  Would have been 1000x better if he got up from the KO punch, took a few steps clapping it up, and then fell over KO'ed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 19, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
Liquid, how did you feel about the MLK/Obama shit?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 09:56:14 PM
I don't know, I haven't heard anything about it.  Did Obama come out and finally admit that he's a muslim and that his black panther brothers are going to subjugate the whites?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 19, 2015, 09:59:14 PM
I don't know, I haven't heard anything about it.  Did Obama come out and finally admit that he's a muslim and that his black panther brothers are going to subjugate the whites?
He's saving that for the State of the Union. I'm talking about what happened before the open sequence.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
Oh I wasn't paying attention.  All I know is MLK was a good guy, but he's probably rolling in his grave at the state of the black community today.


Also, THE APA!!!!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 10:10:40 PM
What did happen, anyway?  I briefly looked over and saw what looked like a brief tribute to MLK JR.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
Okay, back, watched a bunch of old guys who the WWE always have on beat up the Acension...big loss there.

And now Triple H and Stephanie have a guy drumming while they put Cena against...eh a bunch of people like normal and then a trumpet guy--

The WWE does get these are the bad guys or--

**** it, if anyone remembers this is a wrestling show I'd be surprised at this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
Hey, Paige and Nattie are a tag team because they do stuff on total divas together!  Yay!

Lets job out Summer Rae some more.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
Could be worse. Oh wait. The Bellas are commentating. Nevermind. This stinks.

Do love how easy it is to dispatch Summer Rae. She's just giving Paige these weak slaps and Nattie just tosses her from the ring. :)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 10:26:17 PM
Could be worse. Oh wait. The Bellas are commentating. Nevermind. This stinks.

Do love how easy it is to dispatch Summer Rae. She's just giving Paige these weak slaps and Nattie just tosses her from the ring. :)

Again, that first time she wrestled on TV and showed everyone how fucking good she was, she was taken in back and the higher ups said "you can't look good, please act like an idiot" 


So now she screams like Michelle McCool used to, except has no offense.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Yeah, good wrestling is only allowed in NXT. :)


Rusev vs R-Truth. Yep.

I miss when R-Truth was insane and his good-evil alinement depended on how he was getting along with his imaginary friend any given time.

And no better way to celebrate MLK day then have an African American with a rapper gimmick job out in two minutes on his birthday. :)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2015, 10:34:28 PM
Usos!

Hey, LS, I say U you say--
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
...... Meh?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 10:37:39 PM
Usos!

Hey, LS, I say U you say--

DKLFJSJHFASKLJDHFAKJS USO CRAZY!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 19, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Ok, I kind of popped when Stinger showed up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 19, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
Man that dude loves his german supplexes
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2015, 11:10:32 PM
Man that dude loves his Herman supplexes

Hahahaaha.  So do the Hendersons.

But really, Sting just appears and the match just stops.



Get ready for Sting vs HHH at WrestleMania, folks!  Old man vs guy who can't live without putting himself in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on January 20, 2015, 12:47:00 AM
Yeah, good wrestling is only allowed in NXT. :)


Rusev vs R-Truth. Yep.

I miss when R-Truth was insane and his good-evil alinement depended on how he was getting along with his imaginary friend any given time.

And no better way to celebrate MLK day then have an African American with a rapper gimmick job out in two minutes on his birthday. :)

I always thought that his imaginary friend was a round about way to mock the oppressive white man for having a small phallus.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 20, 2015, 01:50:48 AM
in regards to the Ascension jobbing to a bunch of people who only come around once a year... apparently it was Vince who also told JBL to bury them on commentary a few weeks back.
Not that I like the Ascension, or think they are worth shit, but it's becoming clear that Vince really has a hatchet to bury with the NXT guys coming up, and even worse now that he was pissed about NXT's outstanding shows.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 20, 2015, 01:53:41 AM
Although I have to say that Shawn Michaels is still fantastically funny.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 20, 2015, 03:29:38 AM
You know, something occurred me... is Sting taking over the role the Undertaker used to have?
The way he appears, with all darkness and stuff, and just gestures, wasn't that pretty much how the Undertaker usually would make his presence known?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 20, 2015, 04:52:43 AM
Apparently the Ascension got known for taking WAY too long in developmental, as they just never improved. So they were thrown out onto the main show to justify their work, but will intentionally bury them because they suck.

Miz lost to AN USO? CLEANLY?? Jesus Christ, has his stock EVER fallen. The sumbitch Main Evented WRESTLEMANIA!! Garbage finish, too- Miz basically ran in slow motion towards the corner, in a way that's superbly fake (Uso was nowhere close).

The New Age Outlaws are back... as faces? WTF? Are we just going out of our way to ignore the way they left the company- as hated Tag Champion heels?

Cesaro/Kidd have lost two straight on RAW since forming a team- that's epically bad. I expect them to win the Tag Titles within a month.

Quit calling Sting the fucking "Vigilante". It's stupid. Not everyone needs your damn nicknames.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 20, 2015, 07:08:09 AM
I'm happy to see Ambrose win a match finally. But him going over Barrett clean is yet another dart that drives home how worthless the IC title has become.

They should just suspend it for something else at this point. Then again, they would just misbook that something else too. So I guess it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 20, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
I thought Nash wasn't suppose to show up because of the arrest stuff with his son.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 20, 2015, 08:02:58 AM
I just think it is pretty bad when the supposed second most important belt, and one whose history they frequently plug, is given to someone that is almost immediately booked to usually lose.

I mean, why even have a secondary Champion if they get jobbed frequently? At least with Rusev I can buy that he is worthy of being a champion. Leave it to Vince to put a damper on a good talent getting an overdue solo victory. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 21, 2015, 12:51:58 PM
IIRC Barret had 3 matches since he got it.
Twice against Sin Cara (lost once), and now against Ambrose (lost again.)
That's an awful start.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 21, 2015, 01:04:27 PM
He loses again on Smackdown this week.

Wade is done as a serious threat anymore. When his contract is over, he would be better off (save in $$$) somewhere else. Guy could main event TNA tomorrow.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 21, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
From what I'm hearing New Japan pays premium numbers, probably one of the reasons also why Cesaro, Bryan, etc watch it, too.
To be familiar with the product, if they ever move to the japanese scene.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 21, 2015, 01:26:42 PM
I don't think it's a knock. Wade is a pretty good talent that WWE seems to refuse to grow. He'd walk into TNA as one of their top talents, and since he has WWE cred, they'd fast-track him to the main event.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 21, 2015, 03:48:19 PM
I like Impact way more than I like RAW...Smackdown is competitive which one is best.

If the WWE were smart, they'd look at what Lucha Underground is doing. They obviously are trying to make RAW more episodic like a tv show, but have no idea how. Lucha Libre does. Heck, one show was an hour long match--that fit every angle and storyline together and crowned a champion! When was the WWE that inventive? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 22, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
Ambrose just sabatoged Fandango.  I hate Ambrose now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 22, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Bellas cut a PAINFUL promo.  Jesus Christ.  Their acting makes Roman Reigns seem like Johnny Depp.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 22, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
I like Impact way more than I like RAW...Smackdown is competitive which one is best.

If the WWE were smart, they'd look at what Lucha Underground is doing. They obviously are trying to make RAW more episodic like a tv show, but have no idea how. Lucha Libre does. Heck, one show was an hour long match--that fit every angle and storyline together and crowned a champion! When was the WWE that inventive? :)

Actully think the fact WWE has longer shows. Makes it harder. LOTS OF PADDING
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 22, 2015, 10:09:24 PM
And a much larger roster.

But Lucha Underground actually does do an episodic format, right down to naming each episode.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2015, 10:55:09 PM
I like Impact way more than I like RAW...Smackdown is competitive which one is best.

If the WWE were smart, they'd look at what Lucha Underground is doing. They obviously are trying to make RAW more episodic like a tv show, but have no idea how. Lucha Libre does. Heck, one show was an hour long match--that fit every angle and storyline together and crowned a champion! When was the WWE that inventive? :)

Actully think the fact WWE has longer shows. Makes it harder. LOTS OF PADDING

Maybe, but they are so lazy, I'm not going to give them that excuse. I mean, how many times has RAW opened up to an interview that lasted about thirty minutes? Look at what Impact did the very first episode, all the roster, faces and heels, in a fight to open up the show. Why can't the WWE do that once in awhile instead of Triple H or Cena coming out to talk for half an hour.

I know it's longer, but in 2000 when you had some incredible bookers, they managed to make each week awesome. Mainly because they built up everyone so well. I mean, did I ever think Scotty 2 Hotty would win the world title? No. But I believed he could at least push Triple H and give it a good match. Anyone see an Uso lasting five minutes with Cena?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 22, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
I like Impact way more than I like RAW...Smackdown is competitive which one is best.

If the WWE were smart, they'd look at what Lucha Underground is doing. They obviously are trying to make RAW more episodic like a tv show, but have no idea how. Lucha Libre does. Heck, one show was an hour long match--that fit every angle and storyline together and crowned a champion! When was the WWE that inventive? :)

Actully think the fact WWE has longer shows. Makes it harder. LOTS OF PADDING

Maybe, but they are so lazy, I'm not going to give them that excuse. I mean, how many times has RAW opened up to an interview that lasted about thirty minutes? Look at what Impact did the very first episode, all the roster, faces and heels, in a fight to open up the show. Why can't the WWE do that once in awhile instead of Triple H or Cena coming out to talk for half an hour.

I know it's longer, but in 2000 when you had some incredible bookers, they managed to make each week awesome. Mainly because they built up everyone so well. I mean, did I ever think Scotty 2 Hotty would win the world title? No. But I believed he could at least push Triple H and give it a good match. Anyone see an Uso lasting five minutes with Cena?

Here the thing lets say they opening with the entire roster fighting each other like that. What do you for the next 2 hours and a half
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 23, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
Well, Kurt Angle came out, stopped the fight, and made matches for the night.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 23, 2015, 02:25:22 AM
Smackdown
(http://i.imgur.com/6ZI3GDh.jpg)
Truly sold out.. oh, wait.

That nearly looks like a TNA show, except far better production values (and still half of the arena empty)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 23, 2015, 02:32:36 AM
WWE Spokesperson:  What happened was, most of the fans showed up on Friday because they forgot we changed the date to Thursdays.


Normal Person:  But you guys tape your Smackdown show on Tuesdays and have for years, that hasn't changed!


WWE Spokesperson:  ......nonsense, here have a U CAN'T SEE ME towel.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 23, 2015, 02:46:15 AM
Wrestling is a fading thing in America. The E is too tame and predictable for it's own good. It no longer shocks anyone and is not straight out fun enough to make up the difference. The writing in the major feds is mostly horrible. The mainstream no longer cares about wrestling. Talented as some are, the current generation just does not approach the Attitude or even Ruthless Aggression Era in terms of larger than life characters. They will not get a good chance to either, given creative faults.

Combine that all with the continuing and longterm erosion of the middle class plus an endless need to kiddify everything and you have a recipe for trouble.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 23, 2015, 03:18:05 AM
Which, really, is the WWE's own fault.
Their aggressive attempts to same'ify everything, so no one but the golden kids is allowed to stand out is really making the product mediocre.

Some people say that the Daniel Bryan thing was planned, but quite frankly, those people are full of shit.
The fact is that Daniel Bryan grew larger than the WWE had the ability to handle, which is why it was -forced- to give him the spotlight.
It was literally on the point where they had no other choice, which is immense.
This also means its on a level it is very unlikely that any other wrestler will reach anytime soon again, therefore everyone, but a few chosen, are forced into mediocrity, which is something adults realize, and which is reflected in less and less PPV and attendance numbers.

Quite frankly, the WWE has wonderful wrestlers, but puts a pretty fucking terrible product out, because of their politics, both in and outside of the ring, instead of aiming to truly give the people spectacle, larger than life characters and ENTERTAINMENT.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 23, 2015, 11:43:04 PM
Skipping through Smackdown currently, and Ryback, Erick Rowan and Ziggler are doing promos, and I got to admit, Ryback's not even being bad about it -now-. He had good timing and managed to whip the audience into a frenzy.
It was amusing to see everyone fall quiet as Rowan started to talk, and actually did good with it. People were surprised, but receptive to his talking, which I did not expect. Neither that he would be able to talk so well.

Last, but not least, Ziggler, of course, and the audience looooooooooovvvesssss this guy so fucking much.
It's unreal.
Of course that means he'll go nowhere.

Rollins comes out and cuts his own promo on the guys in the ring, and he has really grown ever since he left the Shield.
He really is on the fast-track to becoming the best heel in the WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 23, 2015, 11:54:22 PM
That said, Ryback is still a big pile of muscles with no stamina or condition.
He is always out of breath, 5 mins into a fight.

Rowan vs. Harper.
They are definitely playing Rowan up as a physical power house.
He's throwing Harper around the ring, despite both of them being the same size, and have Harper counter it by showing more technical stuff.
Unfortunately, and expected, Rowan loses in the end to Harper, and is not in the Royal Rumble.
I guess right now Harper is more important to protect.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 26, 2015, 08:11:16 PM
sigh suplex after supplex
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 26, 2015, 08:41:57 PM
wonder could they be turning Lesnar to a face
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 26, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
I'd be MUCH more interested in Face Lesnar vs Heel Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 26, 2015, 09:04:05 PM
I'd be MUCH more interested in Face Lesnar vs Heel Reigns.

the promblem with that as always is Brock showing up to work

because Reigns will have to do heelish thing to him to sale the heel factor
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 26, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Oh, it's not going to happen at all. I'm just saying it'd be more interesting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on January 26, 2015, 09:24:09 PM
Oh, it's not going to happen at all. I'm just saying it'd be more interesting.

Yes it would! It would work easily too. Lesnar has hurt ribs. Heyman turns on Brock and the Authority give him a massive beatdown that puts him on the shelf. Rollins does his normal heel stuff in the meantime being the top guy. In a month Brock comes back and they build from there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 26, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
Does anybody think Austin will grill HHH on the Rumble and fan reactions?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 26, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
he gonna ask him.  If he get a straight answer is another thing.  Hey there showing the RR in Raw's place tonight wonder if there gonna edit out the boo and replace it with cheers.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 26, 2015, 10:54:12 PM
That interview with Roman is just going to piss off people more.  Nice "damage control" WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 26, 2015, 11:21:05 PM
You know what would have been great? After Lesnar said he didn't respect Reigns--REIGNS SUPERMAN PUNCHES HIM!!

Dear lord, I miss when babyfaces used to at least try to kick butt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jonathanos on January 26, 2015, 11:41:02 PM
promblem
 

YES!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 27, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Roman, is so screwed. It's too bad, maybe if it was Rusev that threw out Bryan, they could have spun a feud between the two and have Bryan break his streak.
With Bray throwing him out, no heat or storyline to draw from, kind of a been there done that.
Ah well... Rusev will get fed to Cena... Roman will either do a heel turn or disappear after wrestlemania.
Bryan will still get passed over.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 27, 2015, 12:58:36 AM
I like the reason for the Cena-Rusev feud...taking Cena's mic. Seriously, that really escalated fast. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 27, 2015, 06:53:44 AM
I fell asleep around the time of Mizdow entering the Rumble. Did they edit out any of the Bullshit chants or anything for TV?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 27, 2015, 07:15:27 AM
Nope. Heard it clear as a bell.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 27, 2015, 12:57:44 PM
Apparently WWE was feeding Roman his lines on Raw.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-news-wwe-allegedly-feeds-roman-reigns-lines-during-raw-jr-praises-royal-rumble-title-match-more/
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 29, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Hm, interesting.
Today's Smackdown has both Roman Reigns and Rollins receive very mixed applause/boos.
People have most certainly not forgotten what happened during the Rumble.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 30, 2015, 04:53:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/n1ZHhDe.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 30, 2015, 08:49:21 AM
Well, that's an eight on the Duggan scale.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on January 30, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
It's a metaphor for the current state of WWE booking!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on February 02, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Just watching steph and hhh walking to the ring on raw, steph get new boobs?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Fans are cheering for Reigns. They didn't get the IWC's memo.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 08:15:14 PM
And now comes the guy who people actually give a damn about.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 02, 2015, 08:16:45 PM
And now comes the guy who people actually give a damn about.

2. Ways this can go.
a.) he is there to give Roman the "rub".
b.) He's going to lose to Roman.

It's already decided he will fight Ziggler, and, heck, Bryan himself apparently pushed for it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 02, 2015, 08:18:12 PM
Just watching steph and hhh walking to the ring on raw, steph get new boobs?

I would have to take a closer look.
Someone tell the cameras to zoom in more.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 02, 2015, 08:24:31 PM
Seth will win the fight against Bryan.

Not even the WWE is stupid enough to think Roman could fight Bryan, and come out as a good guy, instead of being ripped to shreds.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on February 02, 2015, 08:24:52 PM
Roman heel turn in 5..........4...........3.........
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 02, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
Roman heel turn in 5..........4...........3.........
Never gonna happen.

Reigns vs. Big Show match #19.

Time to go and make some food.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on February 02, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
He should though, maybe take a page out of the Rocks playbook. It will give him a chance of showing off more of his personality.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 08:32:21 PM
You have to have a personality for that to work.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on February 02, 2015, 08:46:06 PM
You have to have a personality for that to work.
Sigh, there's always a catch.

To be fair, when Rock was Rocky maivia, we thought he sucked ass who had no personality.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
Yea but that was in part because was part of a large group so there wasn't much time for him to shine.



Aaaaaand Gold and Star Dust get buried even deeper.  And now they are fighting with each other.  Didn't we see this exact same shit not even a year ago before Cody turned into StarDust?

Keeping it fresh, WWE.  Nice work.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on February 02, 2015, 09:08:22 PM
oh fuck dont split up Gold and star

There the few bright spots in the tag team division
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
Or at least they were before they started getting buried by everyone from the Matadors down to the Ascension.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
If the Bushwhackers were in the WWE right now, they'd be beating Gold and Star.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 10:11:29 PM
Great. Bellas on commentary. Does anyone in the WWE know how horrible they are?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 10:13:45 PM
They are fucking horrible, but at least I don't have to listen to Booker right now.  He fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 10:14:11 PM
Earlier in the night Booker referred to JBL as "Juh"


JUUUHHHH
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
Well, Booker's better than his brother. And Cole.

And Ziggler loses again. Remember when foolish people believed he'd get a push after Survivor Series. Yeah. It's nice to dream. Right now McMahon has to build his dream match of Bray Wyatt vs The...seriously do we have to see the UT a year after seeing him that old broke all our hearts. McMahon, you are a sick piece of garbage!

Can't wait for Sin Cara vs The Miz! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 10:24:35 PM
Wow! Sin Cara gets an entrance! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 02, 2015, 10:47:32 PM
Yea but that was in part because was part of a large group so there wasn't much time for him to shine.

All the Die Rocky Die was when he was a solo.  The Nation is when the transformation happened.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2015, 12:50:01 AM
John Cena is a horrible friend.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 03, 2015, 02:06:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Rxed4T5.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/8St0Utd.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 03, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
Surprisingly the crowd isn't as anti-Reigns at first. Maybe the one week delay paid off a bit.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 03, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
Word got out the WWE played again with the volume button during RAW.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on February 03, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
what happen at the end, my DVR cut off
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 03, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
Daniel Bryan won.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on February 03, 2015, 11:54:05 PM
Daniel Bryan won.

ohhhh


They fucked Reigns with a 18 inch dick..without the lube then.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 04, 2015, 03:06:03 AM
This current Reigns push is absolutely mystifying. It LOOKS like they want to push him... but why the fuck is he losing to THE BIG SHOW of all people? To stifle the fan backlash? It's retarded. The man has ZERO credibility, and hasn't beaten anyone good since he came back! He's just like Wyatt & Rollins- having their balls cut off by jobbing to Cena too many times.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 04, 2015, 03:11:26 AM
They're in better shape than poor Dean Ambrose.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 04, 2015, 03:16:00 AM
Yeah, Dean's basically been shoved into the Midcard as "Random Mid-Tier Guy", fighting over the worthless IC Title. Classic 50/50 nothing guy. Though I'm not as high on Ambrose as most everyone else here- he hasn't shown the in-ring capability to be that elite.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 04, 2015, 03:20:49 AM
He's basically just a brawler. 

The shield vs Evolution matches were very good, but when you look back it was mostly because of Dean's antics, but mainly it was the ability of Rollins.


And then you had Reigns look mean and do nothing. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 04, 2015, 04:25:17 AM
Shield matches owed a lot to Seth's high-flying (which is largely-absent now, as he's increased his "legit" offense to match-ending stuff) and Dean's crazy acting. Reigns was still important- he was the high-impact one and Power Player. All three were thus useful, and their matches were well-booked, increasing with bigger moves as time went on (I wish the Wyatt/Shield feud had gone on for longer). As solo guys, they've shown some of their weaknesses: Reigns can't act or wrestle that well, and Ambrose is a bit fidgety and lacks credibility (great for a middle-tier act). Rollins has come into his own, but lacks cred as well, since he keeps losing.

Bryan/Rollins was a hell of a match, though. I find WWE's current Main Event Style funny, because it resembles early '90s New Japan Junior matches so much: perfunctory, wasteful ten minute opening full of nothing stuff (lots of slow pounding in the corner), then an increasing number of big spots as the match goes on. I was ready to hate the match and not get the hype, and then all of a sudden it's High Knee/Frankensteiner/Big Dive/Backdrop Superplex from Bryan, and then Rollins counters with a Corner Powerbomb/Superkick! That shit is straight up NJPW Junior stuff!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 05, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
Adam Rose loves to beat the shit out of his groupies, but they never leave him.  Battered wife syndrome?


Cody and Dust continue their feuding because that's fresh and exciting.

Curtis Axel actually has a match!  But it's against Ambrose so he loses.


Reigns struggles to talk at the start of the show, and sounds like a brainless idiot.  Riv loves it.





BUT FANDANGO WINS HIS MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!   But it was against Adam Rose so it means nothing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 05, 2015, 11:58:37 PM
GO AWAY KANE!

...

Dear lord. This horrible booking has made me hate the one wrestler I always loved.  :'(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 06, 2015, 01:05:11 AM
GO AWAY KANE!

...

Dear lord. This horrible booking has made me hate the one wrestler I always loved.  :'(

 :o :o :o :o :o
To ever hear Prop say that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2015, 02:25:35 AM
What am I supposed to do? They keep having him dress boring (and his mask can be put on at any time!!), he interferes in matches all the time, most that I'm enjoying, his feuds never end, and he's not being allowed to be entertaining on the mic like we know he can be (Team Hell No comes to mind)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 09, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
Interesting.
Reigns is getting a lot of boos.
Wow, the audience fucking hates his very guts.

The WWE so fucked that up.

Holy crap, the WWE thinks the audience is stupid.
Daniel appears, and they turn down the volume for the audience, even though everyone can see them going into full blown cheers/yes chants.

You know, with seeing the authority every fucking monday raw for over a year, I'm pretty ok with not seeing them again for another year.
They really have run their course.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 09, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
Each week, Cole has to remind us that Bray Wyatt calls his followers his "fireflies" in case you didn't remember from the last year or so he's been repeating it weekly.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 09, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Cole always repeats everything a hundred times.
I'll hear him call Dean "The lunatic fringe" a few hundred more times, I'll smack him myself.

Also, since I'm a little behind... that comment from Bryan to HHH was sure as hell not PG, about the things -he- has done in caskets.

Oh, what the fuck.
We really have to deal with Kane/Big Show in TWO matches tonight?
I'm out.

Gonna watch the recording later and skip through these parts.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 09, 2015, 10:28:42 PM
Fell asleep during the Bray Wyatt vs Ziggler match. Let's see. Wow. Bray Wyatt won. Shocking. May he forever give the same promo and continue to do the same things over and over. :)

And The Usos are happy, they must have--no, they lost.

So you induct Rikishi but you have his kids lose before the announcement? Yeah, that's nice.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on February 09, 2015, 10:38:56 PM
Who gives a shit about Sheamus?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 09, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
I do, fella!

Y'know, with Lucha Underground doing really well (Finally got El Rey for Dish 253!!!) maybe pushing Sin Cara would be a good idea. Or maybe Kallisto or--nah, we'll just use them as jobbers or to move a story along. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 09, 2015, 10:49:03 PM
Oh Curtis Axel, how can you be the son of Mr. Perfect and be so flawed? :(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 09, 2015, 10:52:48 PM
Wait. Is Sheamus returning tonight. If he does, he's probably going to attack Daniel Bryan and Reigns leading to Sheamus vs Bryan at WM.

...

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 10, 2015, 02:42:49 AM
Cesaro & Tyson Kidd vs. The Usos was actually pretty fun.
I really enjoy the "Brass ring club" so far.
I think they have some nice chemistry, and I love the storyline they have right now.
This is also the first time they make Natty look semi-hot. She looks awful in her ring-gear, but I like em highlighting her... eyes, at ringside.

Mizdow versus Sin Cara was also rather fun, surprisingly, for how short it was.
Especially because of the storyline, which is amazingly entertaining.
Miz treating Mizdow like his personal errant boy, the audience getting totally behind Mizdow and chanting his name, etc.
Really was enjoyable.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 10, 2015, 02:45:14 AM
Before I forget it, I thought Bray vs. Ziggler was rather nice as well.
After the jobber treatment Bray got after his destruction at the hands of Cena, it is rather welcome to see him given the chance to shine.
It also didn't hurt that he and Ziggie did mesh rather well, if I may so.
Bray's power moves are really helping to make him look powerful, and of course Ziggler is able to sell it awesomely and make Bray look like a million bucks.

Maybe the WWE got a grip, and understood that the era of the Undertaker is over, and that they need to replace him with someone in the same vein.
Enter Bray Wyatt.
Here's hoping.

Curtis Axle vs Ambrose is a fucking travesty though.
The WWE creative seriously puts him into a semi-feud with Captain NoCharisma?
The hell?
They need to give Ambrose something worthwhile.
Hopefully that means he's going to have matches with BNB instead soon.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 10, 2015, 02:53:32 AM
Rowan; Ziggler and Ryback make the save with Bryan and Reigns vs. the Authority.
Wow, I had expected the WWE to have forgotten about certain characters trying to help each other.
This was actually a nice touch.

...then Reigns tagged himself in to take the win.
Then he spears Bryan.
Alright, at this point even I believe they are actually going to turn him heel.
If not, then this is a superiorly piss poor booking.

That said, he'll do a lot better as heel than babyface.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 10, 2015, 03:00:01 AM
Also lol at the Reigns sign in the background.
(http://i.imgur.com/79lJjyW.png)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 10, 2015, 09:30:37 AM
Well, that's the one thing the WWE has done well, Team Cena sticking together. Well, not Cena because Cena is a jerk who lets all his friends get brutally beaten without lifting a finger.

I think my favorite might be Rowan after he gives Cena a heartfelt thank you backstage--and Rusev cheapshots him before the match begins and just beats the tar out of him without Cena helping.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 10, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
Seriously, think about this he saved Edge, a guy who has done nothing but made his life hell, even breaking into his home and beating up his dad, resulting in the evil Authority coming back and firing his friends, who well, as mentioned, got beat up a lot without Cena helping them one time.

Cena does suck.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 11, 2015, 03:44:41 AM
Smackdown Spoilers:

So, apparently half of Smackdown was Daniel Bryan and Reigns running roughshod over half of the tag-team division.
Rumor says that Bryan was about 40 mins in the ring, and Reigns about 6, which would be consistent with his work time during his Shield days, I guess.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 11, 2015, 04:00:10 AM
So he is currently existing by riding the Daniel Bryan train.  How long before he pulls a Big Slow/Brie Bella and steals the "Yes" chant?

This reminds me of how they always team Cena up with popular people to try and get him to be less hated.  Similarly, how when he is on the mic he often gives credit to other, well liked people, since it's the only way he can get people to cheer for something he said.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 11, 2015, 06:59:01 AM
Considering he's actually done none of what you're being reminded of, thats pretty funny.

So he is currently existing by riding the Daniel Bryan train.  How long before he pulls a Big Slow/Brie Bella and steals the "Yes" chant?


Pretty funny indeed, if you can't read I guess.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 11, 2015, 07:14:57 AM
Maybe Bryan is being a jerk and not tagging in?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 11, 2015, 07:59:13 AM
I will forgive you this one time, IF you admit that Fandango is the hottest guy on the roster, who also has the best hair and likely the biggest dick.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 11, 2015, 07:59:38 AM
Or at the very least bigger than Seth Rollins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on February 13, 2015, 05:18:42 AM
Brian was heeling it up pretty hard against the Usos. Thats an ill omen for Fast Lane.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on February 13, 2015, 05:53:40 AM
Was he? Havent seen yet.
A heel Bryan'd be odd right now.
He was kicking the shit out of a downed Uso outside the ring and held the Yes Lock in after he clearly tapped. Both classic heel tricks.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 13, 2015, 06:58:54 AM
Yeah, well, people I thought were my friends got revved up to kick my head in and make a name off of me--I'd give the traitors a beating to. That and I thought it was more out of frustration that Reigns didn't want to hurt his family.

...

And this this didn't do much to help with Reigns. I mean, he did his big flash moves--that he always does. He never got a chance to do any thing else. Bryan came away looking great. Reigns...not so much.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 14, 2015, 02:46:27 AM
Man, they need to give Fandango his old theme back, and put him into a feud worth a damn.
Even if he's only wrestling Rose, I don't understand how they can't cut promos against each other, to make us actually -care- about this.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 14, 2015, 03:23:55 AM
I'm watching Smackdown right now, and I'm at the Tag-Team thing, with Bryan and Reigns just having faced Miz and Mizdow, and now the USOs, and... god help me, it's actually entertaining.

The fact that they have so much time for these matches is really helping, because Bryan and Reigns are able to get a lot of amusing bickering and storytelling in between the two of them.
It also helps to hide Reigns glaring issues still.
If it wasn't an impossibility, I'd enjoy to see Bryan and Reigns stay a tag team for a while.

I know it's a redux of Bryan/Kane, but it simply shows that one agile technician, and one power guy really make great tag teams.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 14, 2015, 03:42:34 AM
A few things.
1. Fuck everything, they are going to turn Bryan heel.
2. They had REIGNS lecture him about how to wrestle honorably (the guy was in the friggin SHIELD).
3. Out of some reason they decided to make the Ascension completely dominate Bryan/Reigns, to a crazy degree.
4. In ring time was Bryan 75%, Reigns 25%.
5. Reigns knows restholds. Yep.
6. We have to endure Big Show/Kane... AGAIN?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 14, 2015, 07:32:44 AM
The Ultimate Warriors promos were perfect for his character. He is still one of the most charismatic influential wrestlers of all time. If the Warrior had less experience than Reigns when he won the title, he has had some matches that have lasted the test of time, while Roman has had nothing near that.

Roman isn't very fun to watch in the ring and his Mic skills are maybe C- level. He is a pretty guy (I know ladies really like him), but he doesn't have a good wrestling look. His Shield outfit worked when they were a group, but it is silly he is still rocking that stuff by himself when Ambrose and Rollins have moved on.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 14, 2015, 09:13:10 PM
As much as I feel he isn't good enough yet to be a top guy, the WWE is almost sabotaging him. His ring gear is probably them, his Rumble win was handled very poorly and his scripted lines haven't been inconsistent. They should have him work hard on house shows giving him long matches to find his groove.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Prime on February 15, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
I don't come here often, but it seems this thread should be stickied, so I will do so.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on February 15, 2015, 08:27:55 PM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 15, 2015, 09:31:15 PM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?

I nominate me.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 15, 2015, 09:31:48 PM
If it wasn't an impossibility, I'd enjoy to see Bryan and Reigns stay a tag team for a while.

Same here

Reigns and Bryan arguing with each other brings more personality out of Roman that the pre fab garbage Vince and crew is serving up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 15, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?

I nominate me.

*RKO's Not Bamf out of nowhere*

Whoever wants the mod job, should get it.
We have a few good people here.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 15, 2015, 10:00:35 PM
If it wasn't an impossibility, I'd enjoy to see Bryan and Reigns stay a tag team for a while.

Same here

Reigns and Bryan arguing with each other brings more personality out of Roman that the pre fab garbage Vince and crew is serving up.

Pretty much my feelings.
That was the first time he was actually entertaining to me.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on February 15, 2015, 10:33:55 PM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?

I nominate me.

*RKO's Not Bamf out of nowhere*

Whoever wants the mod job, should get it.
We have a few good people here.
Well, since You insist. I'll do it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 15, 2015, 10:35:29 PM
I challenge all of you to a Moderatorship In The Bank ladder match!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 15, 2015, 10:43:51 PM
Nonono, this is the perfect, and I mean -perfect- opportunity to bring King Of The Ring back!

Well, since You insist. I'll do it.
Who are you?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on February 15, 2015, 10:59:00 PM
Nonono, this is the perfect, and I mean -perfect- opportunity to bring King Of The Ring back!

Well, since You insist. I'll do it.
Who are you?
Gaara. Don't worry about that though; I have great opinions about wrestling :

Edge is both ugly and over-rated. FACT.

Everyone will love Roman Reigns in 2-3 years. FACT.

Triple H is a great wrestler who earned his push and his nose is perfectly normal sized. FACT.

Chris Benoit will be in the HoF someday. FACT.

Millennials never try to grab the brass ring. FACT.

(http://i.imgur.com/3bt0VYJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 16, 2015, 12:56:20 AM
Well, all those facts convinced me!
Surely nothing can go wrong!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 16, 2015, 03:38:07 AM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?

I'm gonna go ahead and lock this
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Prime on February 16, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Do we wrestlefags even have a moderator?
I was under the impression that Wyntyr would be handling things here. Clear dereliction of duty, obviously.

I challenge all of you to a Moderatorship In The Bank ladder match!
You may be on to something.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Prime on February 16, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Wyntyr has been put back in his old spot. It's done and Herochat moves on...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 16, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
The fans wanted to see a real competition for the mod spot, but we all got Vince McMahon'ed and Wyntyr got pushed regardless of what everyone wanted to see.

RIV still thinks Wyntyr deserves it, at least. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Prime on February 16, 2015, 11:37:12 AM
No Chance...that's what you’ve got
Up against a machine too strong
Pretty politicians buying souls from us are PUPPETS
Who'll find their place in liiiiiiiiiiiiiine
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Prime on February 16, 2015, 11:52:32 AM
Wyntyr, make Roman Reigns your avatar, STAT.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 16, 2015, 07:37:12 PM
I don't know how this ugly rumor got started, but I would like to formally disavow Riv
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 16, 2015, 07:38:35 PM
Wyntyr, make Roman Reigns your avatar, STAT.

I hate to say it, but it's more like John Cena since I'm refusing to give up my spot to those who are probably more deserving.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 16, 2015, 08:54:21 PM
MEANWHILE, ON MONDAY NIGHT RAW:

I really hope, for what feels like the 50th time, that they push the hell out of Cody after this Goldust feud ends. Cody could stand to move up to being a top level heel (I'd prefer a face turn, but that seems out of the question).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 16, 2015, 08:58:22 PM
Dat pre-Fastlane burying of Rusev by Sina, our lord and saviour.

And Cody could be the WWE's joker, if they just let him.
He has the chops and the skills for it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 16, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
I think Cody has just been a fantastic performer since Legacy broke up. I feel like I've been waiting forever for him to BREAK OUT, and I don't think it will ever happen. I hope it does now, though. With Lesnar gone, fans loving Bray, and no REAL heel turn in sight for Reigns... WWE really will only have Rollins as a top heel (and Rusev assuming he survives the Cena feud). Cody should get bumped upward.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 16, 2015, 09:11:01 PM
I think Cody has just been a fantastic performer since Legacy broke up. I feel like I've been waiting forever for him to BREAK OUT, and I don't think it will ever happen. I hope it does now, though. With Lesnar gone, fans loving Bray, and no REAL heel turn in sight for Reigns... WWE really will only have Rollins as a top heel (and Rusev assuming he survives the Cena feud). Cody should get bumped upward.
What do you mean by "Lesnar's gone?"
Apparently the WWE is confident in re-signing him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 16, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
Really? I hadn't heard that yet. Ah well.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 16, 2015, 09:23:36 PM
I'm watching your beloved Paige VERY closely.  She better not stink up the joint again!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on February 16, 2015, 09:27:38 PM


Also ways nice to see Paige in a fairy outfit.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 16, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
I. HATE. LIFE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on February 16, 2015, 10:00:37 PM
Ric Flair sighting.


Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 16, 2015, 10:29:05 PM
If Jerry Sandusky was in the ring now it'd be OVER!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 16, 2015, 10:39:14 PM
Trinity and Nattie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paige
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 16, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
He should slap her!  A domestic violence arc is EXACTLY what the WWE needs right now!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 16, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
He should slap her!  A domestic violence arc is EXACTLY what the WWE needs right now!

Agreed.  He should beat her for 20 minutes straight in the ring, in a similar fashion to that Vince McMahon/Bret Hart match a few years ago.  Just a complete one sided thrashing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 17, 2015, 12:10:34 AM
I think Bryan got really rocked by the announce table when Roman was hitting him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 12:45:30 AM
MEANWHILE, ON MONDAY NIGHT RAW: Cody could stand to move up to being a top level heel

(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/Medwick17/Gifs/bnb%20comment_tHGQ3hLZOGXI1V1TgGwvQj5bV0j6uypH.gif) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Medwick17/media/Gifs/bnb%20comment_tHGQ3hLZOGXI1V1TgGwvQj5bV0j6uypH.gif.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/Medwick17/Gifs/bad%20news%20barrett%20tumblr_inline_n0ef0p3cTK1ry9lgk.gif) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Medwick17/media/Gifs/bad%20news%20barrett%20tumblr_inline_n0ef0p3cTK1ry9lgk.gif.html)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 01:00:48 AM
Raw didn't suck tonight. Bryan vs Reigns was well done I thought. Roman seemed to pick it up a notch. If only he had not missed those three months, him main eventing might not seem so premature.

Is the Ascension push lessening? I hope so. They actually have me rooting for Titus and Young.

I'm not feeling too bad about the Cena on Rusev beatdown. We had to know John was not going to go down easily. But I'm thinking this increases Rusev's chances of winning Sunday. If he does, it's worth it. If he doesn't, CenaWinslol, chapter  86.

It's time to split the Dust Bros. They had a good run, though it could have been better. But seeing them job is pointless. Yeah give Cody a push and see what happens. No real downside. They do need more credible heels.

Ambrose vs BNB has the raw material for a great feud. But they lessened it by having Barrett look so weak since coming back.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 17, 2015, 01:44:29 AM
I'm actually not sure what the Reigns vs. Kane segment was supposed to do.
What it showed us was that Bryan has so many fans (inclusive myself), that they have zero problems shitting on Reigns despite him being in the middle of the ring right now.
Several times.

Plus, Reigns won with a COUNTOUT against Kane?
That does not really make him look strong.

At this point, if Reigns wins Fastlane, and then at Wrestlemania, the fans will -murder- both events.
The WWE will really have the arena in their shows completely rail against the ones who won.

Reigns will be complete poison after.

Rollins and J&J work so beautifully together.
I mean, they don't really do amazing stuff, but they are just so damn fun to watch how they interact.
I really like the three of them as a unit.

That said, it's incredibly refreshing to see babyfaces actually run out again and help their friend, i.e. Rowan and Ryback coming to defend Ziggler.
I've really been missing that.
It's been long since that actually seemed to happen regularly.

I love Ambrose.
He is so damn entertaining.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 17, 2015, 02:20:03 AM
Holy crap, the ending.
Daniel Bryan chants, Reigns making Daniel lose, by interfering, then fighting with him under boos.

At this point I am really not sure wtf the WWE is thinking, because this is not making him become the number #1 face.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 04:14:35 AM
I didn't see the whole show live. Bryan is obviously more popular, but was it really that bad for Reigns tonight?  At least during the last part, the fans seemed to want them to fight. Which was a pretty default way to end Raw given they are locked into the Fastlane match no matter what.

I wonder what they will do with the loser Sunday? A 'Mania handicap match vs Show and Kane?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 04:53:04 AM
Anyway it never should have gotten to this point. His three months off should have been all the reason needed to push someone else first. As Nec said, beating jobs 90% of his matches Kane by countout does not do him any favors either. If you need to beat Kane that way, how are you going to be made to look credible against Lesnar?

I worry about the Heyman mic work opposite Roman too. They should have went with Ambrose this year. He would sound more credible opposite Paul now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 17, 2015, 05:04:25 AM
A Three way Shield Match would have been the best.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 17, 2015, 05:42:48 AM
That's an idiotic point, RIV. Bryan was WORLD CHAMPION before he got hurt. He already HAD credibility. Reigns simply has none, having beaten nobody by this point.

WWE is booking the two of them retardedly however, but having NEITHER of them pick up any significant wins in the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 06:14:38 AM
For those who did not see it, here are a couple of links from the brawl last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DHBu4WXIlD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jZ46E4_QUJs

The fight was pretty good for what it was.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 17, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
3 months off. 9 months off. So, Bryan shouldnt be in the title picture either then.

Bryan didn't lose the belt he had to had it over because of injury he should automatically get a title shot when he came back.  They should have brought him back after the rumble gave him the title shot at fastlane and let Lesnar bury him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 17, 2015, 10:15:21 AM
The rematch clause is only invoked when they feel like it.  DB didn't get a rematch.  Orton didn't get one either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 17, 2015, 02:31:36 PM
I liked Paige's mic segment last night. It was short, to the point, and well delivered.

Can Rollins beat anyone formidable without outside interference? I realize he is a cheating heel, but jeez. Ryback, Ziggler, Ambrose, Reigns, Cena, etc. Not to mention taking the fall in tag matches instead of Big Show.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on February 17, 2015, 02:48:01 PM
Could not sit through that Triple H/Ric Flair exchange, literally felt like time was slowing to a crawl. Had to change the channel before I went into a coma.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 17, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
Could not sit through that Triple H/Ric Flair exchange, literally felt like time was slowing to a crawl. Had to change the channel before I went into a coma.

And the same thing will happen when you get to see HHH vs Sting at WrestleMania.  The man who can't help but put himself in the spotlight VS the old man who bases his look on a movie that came out over 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 18, 2015, 12:41:55 AM
The Reigns/Db/Authority storyline is so horrifyingly bad and poorly "performed" it literally makes me feel bad for you guys, because I know just how badly you guys want to consider WWE entertaining .  It's a damn shame how they're treating their diehards.  A once great program is now almost unwatchable.  Ambrose was good though.  He's got spunk.  Miz can talk which helps.  The wrestling is hard to watch at times though.  Having the DB vs Show match be a back-and-forth contest was ridiculous.  There were literally moments in the fight were the psychology was "let me stand here and let him hit me because I'm an idiot."  Trinity and Nattie work extremely well together.  They need to do away with the "marital problems" storylines or inject some domestic abuse, one or the other.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 18, 2015, 01:49:26 AM
One shortcoming of the marital problems storyline is that none of the involved parties in that feud are particularly entertaining or good talkers. Kidd's improved a bit, but still...........

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 18, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
One shortcoming of the martial problems storyline is that none of the involved parties in that feud are particularly entertaining or good talkers. Kidd's improved a bit, but still...........

And it takes away from the work.  Trin and Nattie are in there tryna entertain the children and the commentators are talking about Tyson sleeping on the couch.  WTF?!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 18, 2015, 11:49:44 PM
Curious as to the phrasing. Why is it "you guys"? Are you not a wrestling fan? If not, why are you watching this stuff?

That's a good question.  Stay tuned because the answer will soon be revealed... AT WWE FASTLANE, which is available on the WWE network so get your subscription NOW!


But really it's because I like Total Divas, so in a way this is a form of stalking my favorite reality stars.  IMHO Daniel Bryan is WAY better on Total Divas than he is on Raw.  DB is actually highly skilled but he's currently working a program with The Authority and Roman Reigns... he's not exactly set up to have stellar matches equal to his immense talent.  He also needs to be more creative when carrying a match.  The way he was chopping Show down was very vanilla and boring... and unbelievable.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 19, 2015, 02:30:10 AM
At this point you need to realize what you just said, and do a silent "thorne" on that post.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 19, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
Bryan is one of the greatest workers ever, with a very diverse move set.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on February 19, 2015, 02:08:12 PM
What a boob.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on February 19, 2015, 04:36:03 PM
You telling me his go to move set isnt

Drop kicks in the corner

Run up to the corner turn buckle/flip over the opponent

Jump through the middle ropes

Several kicks to a downed opponent/big kick to finish

Running knee/yes lock for the finish

The guy CAN do more, he usually doesnt/isnt allowed to though. Not blaming him.


surfboard
top rope frankensteiner
flying dropkick
swan dive ( pre-neck injury )




Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 19, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
So... You're just intentionally making stuff up to troll people, lately? Bad form, RIV. Bad form.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 20, 2015, 01:27:11 AM
Bryan is one of the greatest in ring performers ever which is fact. I would argue his move set is as diverse as any top worker.

Watching Smackdown now, which isn't as bad as I remember. I must say I like the Ascension.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 20, 2015, 06:34:41 AM
The Ascension is the kind of team that the WWE used to have dress up like LOD so Demolition could beat the crud out of them. No. Not the Powers of Pain. They have muscle mass.

Seriously, how am I supposed to buy "Big strong guys" when it looks like Kofi Kingston could have won a fist fight against Vicktor?

I think The Ascension got moved up so Vince could prove that not everything on NXT is good. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 20, 2015, 07:12:33 AM
John Stewart vs Seth Rollins

http://411mania.com/wrestling/jon-stewart-responds-to-seth-rollins-comments-from-raw/
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 20, 2015, 08:51:09 AM
Like you love Roman Reigns opening WM against Kane.  :-*
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 20, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
John Stewart vs Seth Rollins

http://411mania.com/wrestling/jon-stewart-responds-to-seth-rollins-comments-from-raw/

I saw that yesterday!
I hope they turn that into an angle.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 23, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
Raw is Orton! Hope BAMF isn't missing this.  :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 23, 2015, 08:10:45 PM
I feel really bad for Randy that the HOT YOUNG, UP-AND-COMING TALENT shelved a LEGEND like himself by putting his FOOT against the LEGEND'S HEAD.

That must be terrible.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 23, 2015, 08:36:23 PM
Four way dance for the IC belt? Barrett/Ziggler/Truth/Ambrose? At WrestleMania? I'd dig that.

Make it a ladder just because. Boom. Best match of the night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2015, 08:36:36 PM
Hm, Ziggler vs. Ambrose vs. BNB?
That could actually be interesting, yet, every fiber of my being says Ambrose vs. Ziggler would be more fun.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2015, 08:37:27 PM
Four way dance for the IC belt? Barrett/Ziggler/Truth/Ambrose? At WrestleMania? I'd dig that.

Make it a ladder just because. Boom. Best match of the night.

Truth...?
Hm.
Can we get someone else instead?
But I really like the ladder suggestion.

Alternatively a hell in a cell 4-way.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 23, 2015, 08:38:54 PM
Ladder matches are always the best.  Call in RVD, just because he keeps it interesting, even if he has no chance of winning.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2015, 08:45:31 PM
After RVD's comments about creative, I don't think we'll see him anytime soon again.
Plus, his last two stints were lackluster.

I smell Randy Orton switching sides during the match with Reigns and Bryan, and beating the hell out of Seth.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2015, 08:51:40 PM
I'm looking at the Ascension, and I just know, the moment they get split up, about a year down the road, going by Vince's usual pattern, they're enhancement "talent".

aaand their first loss, and to Prime Time Players to boot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
Dat Reigns, getting the screeches from the girls, and the boos from everyone else.

Edit: They really use Bryan to put Reign over.
God knows they needed someone on the mic to actually be able to talk..
But still, this is adding insult to injury.

Oh, here comes Heyman to actually bury Reigns on the mic.
Nevermind, they use Heyman to put Reigns over as well.
Srsly...

Holy crap, they really try hard to give Reigns handjobs from -everyone-.
And they wonder why we don't react all that well to this shit.

Also lol to Heyman taking a dig at Cena.

Oh god, someone take the mic away from Reigns...


...Cesaro's theme really makes me want to change the fucking channel.
So I'll do just that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 23, 2015, 09:37:49 PM
Hah, sounds like Reigns is the Wesley Crusher of WWE- everyone must now constantly hype him, all the time, to assuage people's doubts and jeers. Which will instead backfire.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 23, 2015, 09:43:57 PM
DB says Reigns won because Reigns had more heart than he did.

So let me get this straight, DB, the same guy who was getting fucked over constantly by the authority last year, having his title taken away multiple times, and kept fighting through it all to succeed, has less heart than the moronic idiot who hasn't had any real challenges or mountains to climb over.  Reigns wins the rumble and one match against Bryan, therefore has more heart somehow, despite not having anywhere near the obstacles and BS in his path as DB did.


Yup, WWE sure makes a convincing argument.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 23, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
In retrospect Bryan probably never had a chance this time. If rumors are true Vince blames the smarks for Batista not going over last year and by association the E not having a hot movie star pimping their fed and having been their champion that year.

I would not doubt he delights in rubbing it in now either.

I smell Randy Orton switching sides during the match with Reigns and Bryan, and beating the hell out of Seth.

Same

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 23, 2015, 10:43:40 PM
Wow. That Divas match. That...that may have been the worst ever. I mean. Wow. Push Paige off the apron, Emma checks on her...lame finisher.

...

WTF is the point of the diva division!? There matches are only two minutes long! The worst ones are pushed! And while I'm thinking of it--HAS ANYONE SEEN ANYONE WEAR ON OF THOSE BELLA SHIRTS!? Seriously, they pimp themselves out as a "brand" but has anyone seen any female or any living person wear one of their T-shirts.

I just don't get how NXT is so great and the WWE can't go "Wow, maybe we should do that"

And yeah...Wow. Poor Reigns. The WWE is not doing him any favors. At all. And from now on, less mic time the better for Roman.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 23, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
The main problem tonight was not so much Roman, but going way over the top with Heyman and Bryan. Especially Paul basically saying Reigns would beat anyone in history except Brock. Anyone with common sense knows that is absurd.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 24, 2015, 01:35:55 AM
A few things, now that I watched the rest of the show.
1. In a perfect world, we'd get a Roman Reigns/Daniel Bryan tag team to really shake things up for the next year.
You can already see that his interaction with Bryan taught Reigns a few things.
Hell, give them 6 months together, and Reigns would be ready.

2. RYBACK was able to play the audience into a cheering frenzy in about 3 sentences.
That means RYBACK was fucking outplaying Reigns on the mic in like 1/10th of the time Reigns spent on it.
If nothing else, this really should make people reconsider ever giving Reigns a mic again.

3. The Orton booking is completely ... weird.
I can't make head or tails over it. It's so flippy-floppy. Today would have been the best opportunity for him to break away, continue the storyline they had set up before he left. And... they do nothing really with it.

4. The Divas match was a complete farce.
The "match" itself was shorter than their entrances. If that's not a full face of disrespect, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 24, 2015, 02:17:06 AM
Yeah that diva "match" was a disgrace. Don't even bother if that is what you are going to do with them
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 24, 2015, 08:29:48 AM
What is it with the WWE booking of guys who should come back beating up bad guys to..."eh, we'll still join the bad guys because (insert reason) but once the heels remind me why I hate them...then I'll beat them up. Maybe. I dunno"

I still say after Stephanie told him about how he used to torment her family, he play, nice, when no one looks, RKO her, big pop, and the Authority have to deal with the Viper.

Poor. Riv everyone's against him. Except Vince McMahon, but I guess he can't peeve off every one. Close to it, I guess. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 24, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
I don't hate him. I just think you need one of the better wrestlers or a no DQ match to get a good match out of Lesnar. Cuz Lesnar sucks. Hell, his last good match involved the other guys throwing themselves, him doing the same moves, and lying down for most of the match.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 24, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
Oh, and speaking of Lesnar....

http://411mania.com/wrestling/brock-lesnar-reportedly-didnt-appear-on-raw-due-to-backstage-issue/

Okay, new idea. Bryan challenges Lesnar on RAW next week, beats him in two minutes, Lesnar gets the heck out of my TV, and Bryan vs Reigns at WM.

Yes? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 24, 2015, 04:58:40 PM
I don't hate Reigns. I just think they are doing things out of order.

They need all but a whole new generation of stars in the upper card. No need to fascinate on one guy this year when he can take his time to improve while others are ready first imo.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 24, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
They should forget about these second raters and get back to main eventing

(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/Medwick17/Gifs/miz%20tumblr_mr3peqsfxW1rg4wqfo1_250.gif) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Medwick17/media/Gifs/miz%20tumblr_mr3peqsfxW1rg4wqfo1_250.gif.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/Medwick17/Gifs/miz%20giphy%202.gif) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Medwick17/media/Gifs/miz%20giphy%202.gif.html)
(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/Medwick17/Gifs/miz%20maryse%20giphy%202.gif) (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Medwick17/media/Gifs/miz%20maryse%20giphy%202.gif.html)

A new Era of Awesomeness that likes of which have never been seen before would emerge.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 24, 2015, 05:58:44 PM
That's the weird thing... I don't hate Reigns. I don't even dislike Reigns. I WANT to REALLY like Reigns because I think his matches are fun enough.

My problem is that there are at least a half dozen guys on the roster more deserving of the Push To The Moon he is getting, and I am tired of watching really talented guys get passed up for people who are lesser than they. Daniel Bryan should be the Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena of this era, main-eventing EVERY WrestleMania, and having the company built around his popularity. Ziggler should finally be getting the big rub and FINALLY get a[n important] one-on-one match at WrestleMania. Dean Ambrose should have been the break-out good guy from the Shield. Seth Rollins should be allowed to look strong and dominate opponents. Bad News Barrett should be getting promo time to deliver his personality and elevate himself. Bray Wyatt should be engaging in meaningful matches and being positioned for big things. Cody Rhodes should be promoted and given chances.

Instead, Roman Reigns is getting ALL of those things, and those guys are ALL relegated to fucking around with their thumbs up their twats. It's frustrating.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 24, 2015, 07:01:27 PM
That's the weird thing... I don't hate Reigns. I don't even dislike Reigns. I WANT to REALLY like Reigns because I think his matches are fun enough.

My problem is that there are at least a half dozen guys on the roster more deserving of the Push To The Moon he is getting, and I am tired of watching really talented guys get passed up for people who are lesser than they. Daniel Bryan should be the Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena of this era, main-eventing EVERY WrestleMania, and having the company built around his popularity. Ziggler should finally be getting the big rub and FINALLY get a[n important] one-on-one match at WrestleMania. Dean Ambrose should have been the break-out good guy from the Shield. Seth Rollins should be allowed to look strong and dominate opponents. Bad News Barrett should be getting promo time to deliver his personality and elevate himself. Bray Wyatt should be engaging in meaningful matches and being positioned for big things. Cody Rhodes should be promoted and given chances.

Instead, Roman Reigns is getting ALL of those things, and those guys are ALL relegated to fucking around with their thumbs up their twats. It's frustrating.
This is pretty much how I feel.

Especially considering Reigns, well, he isn't good at the mic. He doesn't have presence. And his in-ring performance is still pretty dismal, if you don't put someone like Daniel Bryan opposite of him.
The Big Show feud did not help either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 24, 2015, 09:38:04 PM
Lesnar is the best thing about WWE right now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 24, 2015, 10:40:25 PM
How?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on February 24, 2015, 11:51:22 PM
He's the only credible threat in the company. He has the kayfabe and real life credentials and elevates any opponent he is in the ring with to an A-level just by being able to compete with him. He has an unspoken charisma that is off the charts and is the single most imposing persona the WWE has had since Andre the Giant.

That's only to shut up the moronic detractors that makes me cringe every time I visit this forum.

As to why he's the best thing about the WWE right now? I can shrug my shoulders and agree with that solely on the basis that he's the most consistent wrestler in the company in terms of booking and actions. I think Pittfox meant it as a compliment but really it's an insult to the company. It's a company full of mid-tier guys and soon enough they're going to give up on Reigns and most likely place the blame on him rather than on themselves.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 25, 2015, 12:02:22 AM
Being a huge attraction. I am not of the opinion that Raw sucks, but it is far from great. Most Raw's pretty much go through the motions. I think most DVR through a big portion of it. When Brock shows up it is a breath of fresh air. There is a heightened sense of danger and unpredictability that is nice to have. Also when he wrestles it has been for the most part something special and unique.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 25, 2015, 12:04:09 AM
He's the only credible threat in the company. He has the kayfabe and real life credentials and elevates any opponent he is in the ring with to an A-level just by being able to compete with him. He has an unspoken charisma that is off the charts and is the single most imposing persona the WWE has had since Andre the Giant.

That's only to shut up the moronic detractors that makes me cringe every time I visit this forum.

As to why he's the best thing about the WWE right now? I can shrug my shoulders and agree with that solely on the basis that he's the most consistent wrestler in the company in terms of booking and actions. I think Pittfox meant it as a compliment but really it's an insult to the company. It's a company full of mid-tier guys and soon enough they're going to give up on Reigns and most likely place the blame on him rather than on themselves.

Hmm I didn't think of it as an insult to the rest of the company but you are right.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 25, 2015, 02:59:04 PM
Only the most elite wrestlers could pull off wrestling once every 4 months.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 27, 2015, 01:05:08 AM
Poor Curtis Axel.

He finally gets a gimmick--and he still manages to mess up somehow. "32 hours" when there's a giant countdown showing 32 days.

And Wade Barrett is an idiot. And a loser.

Pretty good ending for the main event with Rowan actually showing some of that super intelligence by putting Noble in the ring to distract the ref from Ziggler hitting Rollins and Ryback finishing him off.

It's nice to see that, out of all the stuff the WWE doesn't care about, that these three have stuck together as a team like you'd expect people who put their jobs on the line and have to face a common enemy would. Yeah, technically this is Team Cena--but Cena is a horrible friend. So forget him!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 27, 2015, 01:08:52 AM
I think this is the first time Axel has shown any form of personality, ever. 

But yea, him fucking up the most basic of things, and even having a counter behind him that spelled it out, made him look like a fucking idiot.


Losing in under two minutes to Fandango probably doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on February 27, 2015, 01:35:47 AM
Axel should write it off as him not having slept since the Royal Rumble, as it's still in progress.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 27, 2015, 01:53:36 AM
(http://botchedspot.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/02/2015-02-25-brock-walk1.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 27, 2015, 11:10:07 PM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on February 28, 2015, 12:39:18 AM
LOL, Kevin Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman Reigns
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 28, 2015, 02:27:36 AM
If only you were that elite when it came to posting dumb ass opinions. :)

Haha truth hurts I see.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on February 28, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
Haha irrefutable truth vs insults. I think I am doing just fine with it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 28, 2015, 04:50:12 PM
I did like R-Truth just giving the belt to Ambrose, that was funny.


Too bad R-Truth will never get to do anything good until the day he retires.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 28, 2015, 05:12:20 PM
I don't know, if he goes back to "Hating Little Jimmy" mode and we get awesome, insane, hilarious heel R-Truth, then we got something.

One of my favorite promos is Christian, Miz, and R-Truth arguing who's enemy screwed the other over.

Christian: Randy!
Miz: Riley!
Christian: Randy!
Miz: Riley

R-Truth: JIMMY! JIMMY! JIMMY

Also

Miz: I got something I want you to see.

R-Truth: Okay!

(R-Truth deverts his full attention of the Titan tron with is eyes as open as possible.)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 28, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
LOL, Kevin Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman Reigns
His hair is more lustrous and he is both taller and more muscular. I agree.


Still a giant fucking failure on top, but what can you do? Though that picture gets it wrong- Perfect wasn't "The guy that the fans wanted" over Luger- it was more like Bret or Savage at the time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 28, 2015, 07:36:01 PM
I'd go Bret because of the 1994 RR crowd reaction.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 02, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Roman Reigns engaging in a microphone battle with Seth Rollins is ludicrously one-sided.

How is it that Rollins has improved so drastically on the mic, but Reigns is still akin to a retarded kindergartner?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 02, 2015, 08:31:02 PM
Reigns was sheltered too much leading up. He wasn't given time to make mistakes and then work past them. While Rollins had a few fumbles months ago but kept getting mic time and now has largely eliminated them and improved his delivery.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 02, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
AJ is back!

Though it would have been better if Summer came out to defend Paige....I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 02, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
She's too busy filming Hocus Pocus 2
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 02, 2015, 10:17:16 PM
I'd suck on her nose.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 02, 2015, 10:40:54 PM
So, Rollins starts up a storyline with John Stewart, which is pretty awesome, and suddenly they inject Reigns into it.
There was -zero- reason to put Reigns into the middle of it.
No reason at all.
It pisses me so off, that he is forced into everything.

It takes the focus of the storyline from Rollins, making him just a bystander in it, the guy who gets smashed.
Although I agree with you guys about Reigns mic skills being horrible, especially compared to Rollins, who started out very weak on the mic, and has become super-comfortable on it.

Also, AJ got a huge pop as she returned.
Glad the audience missed her as much as I did.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 03, 2015, 01:49:35 AM
It's like I said- Reigns in 2015 is basically like Test in 1999 being pushed as The Guy. The exact same- simple Power Wrestler with no promo skills and beautiful hair, with a few decent high-impact moves. The difference of course being that Test was put into a bit feud (Shane McMahon) and thereafter treated as a midcarder, whereas Reigns is now supposed to just be the best guy ever despite very little proof.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 03, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
I liked the "Roman Sucks" chants.

And it's hilarious that the Intercontinental Championship has a better storyline and wrestlers involved than the big belt.

Of course it's a downgrade for Ambrose to be in that, as well as for Daniel, but it'll steal the show from the main event so fucking hard.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 03, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
Paul Heyman is Brock Lesnar's promo. :)

Don't get the logic of Reigns losing, but I really don't get the logic of the Orton storyline. How hard is it to write "Orton comes back, RKOs people in the Authority leading up to WM and his match with Rollins"?

But the WWE did the same with Ryback and he was salvaged--thanks to be a true companion with Ziggler and Rowans--so maybe there's hope WM is about a month away, right? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 03, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
It's like I said- Reigns in 2015 is basically like Test in 1999 being pushed as The Guy. The exact same- simple Power Wrestler with no promo skills and beautiful hair, with a few decent high-impact moves. The difference of course being that Test was put into a bit feud (Shane McMahon) and thereafter treated as a midcarder, whereas Reigns is now supposed to just be the best guy ever despite very little proof.

Bwhahahaha you Fucking Nailed it! Reigns is exactly like Test!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 03, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
At least he looks pretty in all the Wrestlemania posters.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 03, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
How dare you! All of you! There is only one merhorse!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 04, 2015, 06:57:02 AM
So now they are teasing Stardust in the IC Title Ladder match? I think there's going to be more guys in the IC match than there are in the Battle Royal. So far, it looks like Barrett, Ambrose, Ziggler, Truth, Harper, Bryan, and now Stardust are all involved.

This will clearly be the Match of the Show, right? Still... I wish they'd find a way to get Truth out of it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 04, 2015, 10:54:13 AM
They waited too long to pull the trigger on Goldust vs Stardust if the wanted to make it something the fans were really into. Too much jobbing and running in place for too long since they were hot act.

They had to conflict them when they still had cred and interest as opposed to being an afterthought to make enough people still care. Hopefully Cody supplants Stardust and can still be salvaged as a credible midcarder or better.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 04, 2015, 07:25:29 PM
This probably isn't worth its own topic, so I'll just stick it here.

The Rise & Fall of WWE.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/watch-the-trailer-for-the-rise-and-fall-of-wwe/
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 05, 2015, 04:14:58 PM
This probably isn't worth its own topic, so I'll just stick it here.

The Rise & Fall of WWE.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/watch-the-trailer-for-the-rise-and-fall-of-wwe/
All that for just...

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PZPQ-TaWq5o/hqdefault.jpg)


Unrelated:
You guys looking forward to Part-timemania this year?
Sting, Brock, Undertaker are pretty much the main event, and neither is even regularly wrestling, or wrestling at all.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/1e6956c5da45b9272b4426bbc3b5cf17/tumblr_nkpz1uRNWN1so9o3no1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 05, 2015, 04:17:38 PM
Don't worry! They are putting every single worthwhile superstar in ONE MATCH. That will probably get 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 05, 2015, 04:19:28 PM
And after that we'll get a rumble!
Which... will be won by Kane or Big Show, apparently, going by the rumors that are floating around currently.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 05, 2015, 08:16:58 PM
Why do they use Cesaro's fucking shitty theme for the tag team of Cesaro and Tyson Kidd, when Kidd's theme is so much better and less generic than Cesaro's garbage shit theme?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 05, 2015, 09:46:18 PM
Hey, Summer was in a promo for about seven seconds, and got to say one sentence!  Too bad she shared that time with Cameron and Eva Marie....
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 05, 2015, 10:57:23 PM
Am I the only one who's noticed this?

Raw: Nattie is naive and doesn't understand that her husband and his friend are jerks.

Smackdown: She's evil, embraces the jerkiness of her husband and his friend.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 05, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
Don't worry! They are putting every single worthwhile superstar in ONE MATCH. That will probably get 10 minutes.

Hey buddy, watch it.

Miz is not in that match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 07, 2015, 03:25:01 AM
I daresay that the IC belt storyline is currently the one that actually matters.
It actually has a built up, and makes people think it's desired, what with everyone going for it.

The heavyweight championship in turn has zero momentum, both because Brock is no-show, and because Reign is just not hitting the right points.

Didn't help that he constantly had problems with Big Show, while Ryback, last Smackdown, did run through Kane and then also dominated Big Show until the knockout punch.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 09, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
As expected, RAW is completely terrible.  Summer was accompanied to the ring by Eva and Cameron, so her carrier is basically over.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 09, 2015, 10:24:07 PM
NEW DAY! NEW DAY! NEW--SOOOO

...

What?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 09, 2015, 10:27:36 PM
I am still positively surprised by the attention the IC belt receives.
It's actually feeling like it is important, and people wanting it, which is great.

What I don't understand is why they put Bryan and Ambrose into that, since they should be in the heavyweight title belt picture instead.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 09, 2015, 10:30:20 PM
Because we can only have one top star at a time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 09, 2015, 10:31:36 PM
You are one of the reasons why we have Roman Reigns!

That said, god, I'm tired of the Usos being in every fucking Tag Team match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 09, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Man, the Undertaker/Bray build up is horrible.

Bray never wrestles, and they only get a terribly bored sounding soundclick of the Undertaker saying "You'll rest in peace" as response to all the promos.

They couldn't even have him appear in person?
This is so fucking one sided...

Which... is the same for the Sting/HHH battle, too, I guess.



Speaking of Reigns... is it me, or is the audience pretty much dead for Reigns coming in now?
Also, please, don't let him talk...

The audience loves Randy Orton though.
This is a lose/lose match for Reigns. They put him against the guy who has the girls cheer for more than for him.

Holy crap, Orton, that's not PG!
I am surprised they let him do that on live tv, even if they tried to keep his hands outside of the camera view.

Orton's beating the living hell out of Seth.
Fuck me, he humilates the hell out of Rollins, even tells the audience to take pictures of him being all beaten down.

And with one RKO he is more over than Reigns, damn.



You know, I am actually of two minds about how this all went.
I personally feel that Seth Rollins is currently the best heel, alongside Bray Wyatt, the WWE has, although how he has been treat has been less than awesome.
He has a serious lack of wins lately, and even had to take the pin over Big Show and Kane in the 6 man tag match last week.
Now they had him act like a naive boy all throughout the episode, as if this sly, cunning, underhanded bastard just entered the WWE last week, which, of course, led to him looking like a complete idiot, as Orton turned on him, and literally tormented him for like 15 mins.

I feel it would have been more effective if Orton would have straight out destroyed J&J, and then took it to the tired Rollins.

This way it just made Seth look foolish, and made the whole scene actually feel rather awkward and slightly uneasy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 09, 2015, 11:35:54 PM
At least we finally got Sting's reason for interfering in WWE events.

It's because WCW died, and apparently it is entirely because of Triple H.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 10, 2015, 02:04:54 AM
I had a long post written out but something happened to my comp and  >:(. Tonight's show is not worth rewriting all of that.

Needless to say it sucked. Orton doing a two fingered version of a gesture seen on every road in America was the highlight. It kind of sums up what I think of this product now. No wonder this RTWM is shaping up as the worst  and millions of fans have deserted the brand over time.

Who was that singer again btw? Pathetic

Btw Nec, I'd like to see Dean (and Bryan ftm) main event too. Sadly they messed Ambrose up something awful since his peak last year. The only guys he beats are guys they book to lose to everyone.

 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 10, 2015, 06:03:59 AM
The buildup between Lesnar and Reigns is practically non-existant They aren't even trying to make it feel like "the" main event.

Brock comes around every so often and normally does little more than stand with the belt while Paul talks. They don't even hit Roman's music and have him come out for a confrontation.

Why are fans supposed to care about this again?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 10, 2015, 06:24:39 AM
I'm blaming everyone and want ppl to either shut all over the main event of even better leave during it to beat the traffic
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2015, 08:33:39 AM
Am I the only one who thought Randy's beat down of Rollins...could have been a bit faster?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 10, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
At least we finally got Sting's reason for interfering in WWE events.

It's because WCW died, and apparently it is entirely because of Triple H.
Well, it's true! After all, DX invading Nitro was the single moment when WWE truly won the Monday Night Wars! Never mind that it was largely-forgotten afterwards, and DX were still midcarders at the time! And Triple-H is the greatest wrestler and legend of all time- he was the only major star of The Attitude Era, and thus the reason WCW's ratings went to shit!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 12, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
Smackdown kicks off with DB once again explaining to us that he's not good enough for the main event, and to stop bitching about it.  Accept Reigns and deal with it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 13, 2015, 12:21:29 AM
And in ends with the other two over faces calling Daniel Bryan a turd for no discernible reason.

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in McMahon's deranged little mind. I bet McMahon's daydreams would make Satan wet himself.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 13, 2015, 12:44:11 AM
Yup, they are doing their best in ensuring that their most naturally over and beloved babyface is degraded and humiliated to boost the void of charisma and confidence that is Roman Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 13, 2015, 01:02:17 AM
But it's ok, because Mark Henry believes in him now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 13, 2015, 01:46:45 AM
Does smugness count as charisma?

Sigh, I miss the old Mark Henry who split wigs 'cause dat wha he do! Not this punching bag that he has become.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 13, 2015, 01:52:48 AM
Was he even smug, really? Henry berated him for a while and he just shrugged his shoulders and mumbled "wutevah" and started to slink away. You think any other credible main eventer would have let that shit slide?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 13, 2015, 02:07:00 AM
Part of the issue is that Vince likes babyfaces who don't get angry, and instead just shrug off all their losses and setbacks. Which is REALLY FUCKING STUPID, because half the reason people got behind babyfaces back in the day was their righteous indignation at getting screwed out of something. Look at all the times Austin or Hogan went crazy after it. Nowadays, you just get Cena being all "Meh- whatever. I lost. So what" then crack poop jokes.

Reigns is probably going to get stuck doing the same time. And it's funny, because anger at being screwed over is what made BRYAN and AMBROSE so big last year. If Reigns just fucking snapped and started caving in Monster Heels' heads left and right, he'd be over as fuck by WrestleMania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 13, 2015, 04:29:45 AM
And in ends with the other two over faces calling Daniel Bryan a turd for no discernible reason.

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in McMahon's deranged little mind. I bet McMahon's daydreams would make Satan wet himself.
yeah, just watched that on youtube, since I can't be bothered to watch the show itself anymore.
That is a load of BS.

At this point it becomes glaringly clear that the WWE is actively trying to ruin Bryan's popularity, instead of being -smart- and making -use- of it.

This is a load of shit if I've ever seen one.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 13, 2015, 06:37:13 AM
Watch out, guys. If you keep talking sense about wrestling, RIV will pop in with some more of his rip-roaringly funny "U GUYZ USE TAMPONZ" jokes.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 13, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/3/38919/1010904-poochie.gif)


Vince's model for top babyfaces
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on March 14, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
i wonder
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 14, 2015, 08:00:21 PM
...Halloweenjack is a turd. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 15, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
The fans won't let Bryan turn heel.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on March 15, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
...Halloweenjack is a turd. :)

NO! NO! NO! NO!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 15, 2015, 10:11:31 PM
Turning Bryan heel would be a slap into the face of the fans who are invested in him.
Of course the WWE will make it happen.

Nothing in the last year went anywhere into the direction the fans would have liked, after all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 15, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
They will turn Ambrose and do a jealousy angle. And then feed him to Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 15, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
Yeah that'll happen before next year mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 16, 2015, 02:24:42 AM
And that last word.

TURD. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 16, 2015, 03:59:43 AM
Y'know... bodywise Ambrose really doesn't look smaller than Reigns.
(http://i.imgur.com/HH0rlRm.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 16, 2015, 04:01:43 AM
But he's not Samoan.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 16, 2015, 05:55:03 AM
Because Ambrose isn't Samoan?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 16, 2015, 09:27:47 AM
Jesus, what a dope
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on March 16, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
How far the Tag Team Division has fallen.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 16, 2015, 09:55:13 PM
If the Andre the Giant Battle Royal at WrestleMania is as bad as what just happened on RAW, Allah help us.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 17, 2015, 12:37:27 AM
I had forgotten that this was even on today.
Watching it now.

Laughing at the "Big Slow" signs in the audience.

Rollins is still awesome as a heel.
He actually manages to turn the whole thing from last week around and get heel heat with it, which is seriously impressive.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 17, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
Wait till you get to the battle royal, then comment here.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 17, 2015, 12:51:29 AM
Only at the divas fight right now, which isn't so bad.

And Booker T just pulled a "i have a black friend" in regards to generalization about women.
His "wife" told him they are all bitches.

Nikkie vs. AJ isn't even so bad.
Both show new moves.

I'm just surprised that it would be Nikkie who turns out the better Bella.


Y'know, it's a fucking shame that Big Slow and Kane, of all the wrestler who deserve it, have a "storyline", while we get jackshit for other guys.

...ok, what the fuck is with them going ham on making Rollins look so bad?
He's the best heel they have right now, and last week and today, so far, aims to really make him just look shitty.

Rusev vs. Cena really makes it seem like Rusev is the face, and Cena the hell.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 17, 2015, 01:05:34 AM
Oh, look at that.
They feed the guy who could be the next Big Show (Rowan) to the old guy who can barely move in the ring.
Sure, whyever plan for the future for anyway.

I'm sure Big Show will work as a Part Timer everyone look forward to seeing again in a few years, instead of the faster, more agile, and still getting better Erick Rowan.

I swear, Big Show and Kane must have photos of HHH sucking X-Pacs dick or something.

Reaching the "rumble" which, jesus, is a fucking sad excuse for an event like that.
Seriously?
This looks like a bush leagues rumble.

Hahaha, are you fucking shitting me?
That was faster than a divas match.

Half of the people in the ring were hasbeens or neverbeens, and the rest were characters no one gives a shit about.


So, they have Heyman cut a promo.
And then they have Reigns come out to speak.
Who... who in their right mind thinks its a GOOD idea to make Reigns speak right next to Heyman, and feel that it will make him look anything but horrible!
I mean, 90% of the roster will look horrible, trying to verbally spar with Heyman, and Reigns is like the bottom 10% of that.

Also the audience is still split between cheering and booing him.
He's literally the Samoan Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 17, 2015, 01:27:33 AM
Oh, the fuck is this 6-man tag team match?
Everyone hates Bryan?
I cannot believe even half of the audience buying that.

The only thing this is doing is lowering the stock of literally everyone involved with this "storyline".
People will think Ziggler and Ambrose are petty, and it will make it look like Bryan gets bullied instead of being a character who takes charge of his future, i.e. yes-movement.

Oh... I see.
The WWE actually manages to kill the three guys they don't really like to do anything worthwhile with.
Smart... and should have been expected, considering the way these three got booked in the last months outside of Ziggler's big Moment, which, reportedly, was actually supposed to be Reigns, who was hurt at that time.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 17, 2015, 01:36:12 AM
Don't even watch this crap anymore. At best I'll read a recap just to pass time on a train or something.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 17, 2015, 01:45:34 AM
I swear, Big Show and Kane must have photos of HHH sucking X-Pacs dick or something.

(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s541/why2cj/Smilies/HHHv3_zps1c7d290a.png)


Half of the people in the ring were hasbeens or neverbeens, and the rest were characters no one gives a shit about.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/31/andre-the-giant-memorial-battle-royal-27139785

Quote
The prestigious over-the-top-rope Battle Royal — a tribute to the iconic “Eighth Wonder of the World,” who was also known as “The King of the Battle Royal” — premiered at last year’s WrestleMania 30.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 17, 2015, 06:50:13 AM
In truth, I think Reigns is bigger overall than Ambrose. Though not taller and not forty pounds larger either. Having him still wear that bulky vest is largely to make him look a bit huskier too.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 18, 2015, 02:51:43 AM
SMACKDOWN SPOILERS









Quote
* Roman Reigns comes out to kick off the show. There were some boos and "you can't wrestle" chants. Mark Henry interrupts and cuts a pro-Reigns promo. Seth Rollins interrupts with Kane, Joey Mercury and Jamie Noble. Kane rips on Reigns and Rollins teases cashing in at WrestleMania 31. Rollins says Randy Orton will not be here tonight due to security not letting him in. Kane announces himself and Rollins vs. Reigns and Henry for the main event.

* Paige vs. Brie Bella is next. AJ Lee is on commentary and Nikki Bella is at ringside. Paige wins a quick match after a roll-up out of nowhere.

* Dean Ambrose vs. Stardust starts the Intercontinental Contenders Gauntlet Match. Stardust is eliminated in a quick match. He attacks Ambrose after the bell. R-Truth is the next man out. He beats up Stardust and kicks him out of the ring. Ambrose hits a quick Dirty Deeds and Truth is eliminated. Luke Harper is out next. He ends up eliminating Ambrose. Daniel Bryan is out next to a big pop. The crowd was super into this match. Bryan applied an awesome submission at one point but Harper elbowed out. Bryan ends up eliminating Harper by submission. Dolph Ziggler is out next to another huge pop. They go at it. Ziggler and Bryan play off the hot crowd. This went back and forth with neither man getting the upperhand. The end had many near finishes but Ziggler won out of nowhere with a Zig Zag.

* Bad News Barrett comes out and cuts a promo. He nails Ziggler in the face, blocks a running knee from Bryan and hits Bryan with the mic. Barrett stands tall after giving both men a Bullhammer.

* They air a second backstage segment with J&J Security making sure Orton doesn't get in the building.

* Cesaro, Tyson Kidd and Natalya vs. El Torito and Los Matadores is next. Natalya and Torito look to start but Kidd tags in and stops it from happening. Natalya tags back in and powerbombs Torito for the win. Natalya took the Tag Team Title from Kidd after the match and held it in the air.

* Roman Reigns and Mark Henry vs. Seth Rollins and Kane is next. Henry's music hits but he doesn't come out. The big screen shows Henry laid out backstage. Rollins and Kane come out while Reigns is left alone in the match. Rollins and Kane have J&J Security plus extra members of security at ringside. They start putting the beatdown on Reigns early. The whole arena is screaming for Orton. Reigns fights back as the crowd pops for him. He hits a Superman punch on Rollins and a spear on Kane for the win.

The crowd went nuts. Rollins came in the ring but Orton's music hit to more huge pops. Orton came from behind and beat up everyone but Reigns. Everyone took a RKO except Rollins, who escaped.
SmackDown ends
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 18, 2015, 06:48:10 AM
So... whatever happened to The Ascension? I know not many people dug them, but they suffered their first loss and just VANISHED off the face of the Earth. I really thought they'd be in the tag title picture at WrestleMania. I was just starting to get into them.

I miss Adam Rose, too.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 18, 2015, 06:58:22 AM
So... whatever happened to The Ascension? I know not many people dug them, but they suffered their first loss and just VANISHED off the face of the Earth. I really thought they'd be in the tag title picture at WrestleMania. I was just starting to get into them.

I miss Adam Rose, too.

He was in that battle royal on RAW I was telling you about, where everyone but Kane and Big show were elimated from in five seconds.  No joke.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on March 20, 2015, 02:21:07 PM
Mark Henry, Worlds Strongest Man "RESPECT!? You think Brock Lesnar respects you? You think the boys in back respect you?"

*Mark Henry gets sucker-puched by Ramen Rains*

Rock's Cousin "I can. I will. Buh-buh-buleeeeeeeeb...DAT!"

Mark Henry, Prison Bitch Edition "I boo-weev in Roman Reigns ok. I said it; can I get my paycheck now?"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 20, 2015, 03:29:36 PM
Who are the Ascension? :)

Two guys who dressed like Quan Chi from Mortal Kombat.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 21, 2015, 07:01:27 AM
I watched Lucha Underground this week. And even caught Kurt Angle becoming a six time TNA champion by beating Bobby Lashley. (Pretty nice match from what I saw btw.)

But I did not watch Smackdown at all. Why even bother when they review the thing on Raw and then do the same matches again there anyway?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 22, 2015, 02:47:58 AM
Funny thing is that Smackdown is full of Raw recaps too. Are we going to get recaps of recaps now? We need to go deeper.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 22, 2015, 02:54:46 AM
Quote
- It definitely appears WWE has given up on pushing Konnor and Viktor of The Ascension, or they’re at least putting plans on hold. The former NXT Tag Team Champions have lost their last 11 matches. Their last win came at the March 2nd WWE Superstars taping as they defeated Darren Young and Titus O’Neil. Before that, their last win was at the February 17th SmackDown tapings when they defeated Big E and Xavier Woods. They lost to Sin Cara and Kalisto on Superstars this week.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 22, 2015, 03:55:28 AM
No great loss. They sucked, hard.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 22, 2015, 04:57:52 AM
One guy was particularly infamous for being stuck in the WWE Developmental System for like TEN YEARS, because he just never improved to the point where he was "ready". I think that's why they were given such an embarrassing gimmick right away.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 22, 2015, 02:30:04 PM
Yeah, the problem is they're supposed to be this Demolition/Road Warrior type team...but those guys were actually pretty big. Vicktor looks like a cruiserweight.

Well besides they suck in the ring, they're mic skills are horrible, and it doesn't help being a guy getting a push with the current WWE broadcasters. Either they just mock you, ignore you, or just fail to help elevate you.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 23, 2015, 10:37:38 PM
Little disappointed was expecting old man Taker to show up tonight before mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on March 23, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
Yeah they did the whole "feud" without an appearance from Taker.  Wyatt has basically just ranted about nothing for a month by himself.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 23, 2015, 11:21:32 PM
At least Brock showed up.  And Reigns got boo'ed hard.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 23, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
Ultimately the ladder match will be the only thing worth watching, and the Battle Royal.  Even though the BR will end with a shitty result, I always enjoy things like that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 23, 2015, 11:31:10 PM
At least they didn't make Reigns try to mumble through a promo. That crowd would have ate him alive.

In any case, it was a good ending. The face got cheered and the heel got booed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 23, 2015, 11:31:58 PM
Huh. Guess

And I'm guessing the only way that the divas will get matches longer than two minutes is if they have to feature at least one Bella.

...

Let's go back to the two minute matches.


And, I know it was probably because he hated Russev, but Cena actually tried to help a friend! :)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 24, 2015, 12:22:00 AM
Ultimately the ladder match will be the only thing worth watching, and the Battle Royal.  Even though the BR will end with a shitty result, I always enjoy things like that.

You know Sheamus will get it.


Also...

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/407821d484722035092875af0210abe3/tumblr_nlp5ko2pAw1rnjfjfo1_r1_400.gif)
Reigns: "Mommy, Brawk does not let me play with his toy!"
Brock: "You poopy head, give it back!"

Aaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....

...

....

......

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Jesus christ....
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 24, 2015, 12:32:00 AM
Quote
- After tonight’s WWE RAW went off the air in Los Angeles and the SmackDown tapings began, there was said to be a lot of confusion in the crowd because the tapings were not announced ahead of the time. Our correspondent noted that Jerry Lawler got a pop when he came out but fans started to leave once SmackDown began. He described the crowd as “dead” after that.

It was also noted by our correspondent that there was a huge negative reaction in the Staples Center to how RAW ended with Roman Reigns and WWE World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar struggling for the title. That seems to be the general reaction among fans online also.

Former WWE star Shane “Hurricane” Helms tweeted the following about the way RAW ended tonight:

    I’ve seen my boys fight over a toy with more intensity than that. Very flat finish to an otherwise decent RAW.

    — Gregory Shane Helms (@ShaneHelmsCom) March 24, 2015
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 24, 2015, 12:54:09 AM
On the plus side the Ziggler vs. Bryan match was pretty good, as to be expected by these guys, and Stephanie looked absolutely delicious.

I want to hatefuck her so much
(http://i.imgur.com/b23m5ok.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 24, 2015, 12:55:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vJG66wW.gif)

Hahahaha this was absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 24, 2015, 01:08:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/IRjAciD.jpg)
Hmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 24, 2015, 01:35:32 AM
Nash was way better than Reigns would ever be, though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 24, 2015, 01:55:30 AM
Terrible ending to a weak last before 'Mania Raw. (Save Cena getting his ass beat and the IC related matches.)

I honestly don't care much about Trips/Sting, Brock/Roman, or Wyatt/Taker. The feuds have been horribly done and inadequately supported. There are just too many part timers in too high positions to form momentum. Combined with needing to run a careful protected feud over your top belt in part because the guy who is supposed to be your next Cena (like we need another) is still a work in progress and can't be trusted with an average timed promo. I mean, at least let Brock and Reigns fight some. How am I supposed to get excited over them tugging at a belt?

Rollins vs Orton, The IC Ladder match, and Rusev vs Cena is where it is at. And I strongly suspect the latter is going to really disappoint, results wise. Though I still have hope they let Rusev look credible Sunday. I never thought I would again see the day where a Randy Orton match might be my highlight of 'Mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 24, 2015, 02:03:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vJG66wW.gif)

Hahahaha this was absolutely brutal.

(http://i.imgur.com/D6qabSQ.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 24, 2015, 02:25:37 AM
It's true.
It's definitely the Part-Timemania, instead of Wrestlemania.
And all the guys who should be main eventing it, are instead pushed into the IC match, which does stand as "second rate-no one cares about" title.
They're going to give the IC title to Bryan, in hopes the fans won't shit on the main event, but I don't think anyone wants the IC belt on Bryan.
He's supposed to be in the main event.

On the other hand I really love Bray Wyatt.
Considering he has to carry the whole "feud" on his own, for like 6 weeks now, he's doing an admirable job at it.
Of course he'll get fed to the Partimetaker. :/

What Wrestlemania 31 should be remembered for is how you can take all the hot next generation Superstars, and make them completely unimportant in favor of guys who aren't wanted (Reigns) or those who literally only are around once a year.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 24, 2015, 06:33:53 AM
On the plus side the Ziggler vs. Bryan match was pretty good, as to be expected by these guys, and Stephanie looked absolutely delicious.

I want to hatefuck her so much
(http://i.imgur.com/b23m5ok.gif)
FUCKING FUCK why does she have to be so nasty and evil? I want to hate her for what she's done to THIS BUSINESS, but I want her to touch my penis so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad....

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 24, 2015, 06:39:00 AM
I have a HUGE penis. Which I wish to have Stephanie step on while wearing spiked high heels, while telling me how useless I am. In fact, in my fantasies, she's using RIV dialogue.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 24, 2015, 08:17:43 AM
Yeah, Brock and Lesnar should have been fighting each other, usual security and jobbers come out, and Brock and Reigns start throwing those guys around.


And you know how bad the WWE wants to bury Daniel Bryan...they're desperate enough to let Ziggler go over him clean twice!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 24, 2015, 08:20:15 AM
Fans are chickenshit for expressing their displeasure with a show that's terrible. RIV, you're the down syndromiest Downy that's every downed. And that's saying a lot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 24, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
Maybe Brock charges two rates.

One for the standard hold belt while Paul talks and a higher one for beating people up. Guess Vince decided to go the discount route last night.   :P
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jonathanos on March 24, 2015, 11:20:34 AM
Yeah, Brock and Lesnar should have been fighting each other

:)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 24, 2015, 11:27:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/IRjAciD.jpg)
Hmmmmmmm....

I think Test is a much better comparison in general because--while he was a shit draw as Diesel--Nash could speak and give good promos.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 24, 2015, 12:21:13 PM
They never put Test in the main event spot like they did with Diesel.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 24, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
No thats you bitching because we root for different wrestlers. Thats you being chicken shit. :)

(http://imgur.com/LpG3fYq.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 24, 2015, 03:40:58 PM
Yeah, Brock and Lesnar should have been fighting each other

:)

I'm going to kick the leg out from under your leg for that!!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 24, 2015, 07:51:49 PM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11059974_758568580923990_1627114244044846248_n.jpg?oh=5c6d07bfe5c7a3864d9e3d5b6be428f2&oe=55AFCB0F)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on March 24, 2015, 07:59:22 PM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11059974_758568580923990_1627114244044846248_n.jpg?oh=5c6d07bfe5c7a3864d9e3d5b6be428f2&oe=55AFCB0F)
LMAo
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on March 25, 2015, 02:57:20 AM
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11059974_758568580923990_1627114244044846248_n.jpg?oh=5c6d07bfe5c7a3864d9e3d5b6be428f2&oe=55AFCB0F)



I think Bryant should be in CM Punk's place.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 25, 2015, 03:57:17 AM
You know what's funny? When Ziggler beat Daniel Bryan clean in the middle of the ring, did you see what the fans did?

That's right- THEY CHEERED. Unlike RIV's assumption that they'd simply turn on anyone who wasn't Bryan, they actively CHEERED FOR HIS VICTORIOUS OPPONENT.

RIV is once again proven incorrect.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 25, 2015, 04:00:35 AM
Could be because Ziggler earned their loyalty, with constantly great matches, dedication, and pushing forward, no matter what shit soap had been placed in front of him.

By all accounts the dude earned his dues, unlike someone else....
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb320/Lthomascsonka/Fact%20or%20Fiction%20Wrestling/Roman%20Wink_zpsk1uyaghs.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 25, 2015, 04:08:17 AM
The fans are going to be happy with whoever wins the IC match, aside from Harper maybe.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 25, 2015, 04:15:35 AM
By all accounts the IC match has the best Wrestlers currently working in the WWE in it.
It's going to be a massive show stealer, unless Vince and co deliberately fuck it up.
I do admit though that I don't want Bryan or Ambrose to get that title.

I could get behind a Ziggler/Stardust feud, if both weren't treat like jokes by creative.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 25, 2015, 04:18:34 AM
I stated before it would be best if Stardust won it, if only for a way to build him up for the future with a similar IC run that his older brother had.

Or at the very least it could result in a feud between the two again, where Golddust can retire and set his brother straight and mend the issues they have.


But the WWE isn't that smart.



What will happen is somebody is about to win, then Kane and Big Show come down and ruin it, and Big Show gets the belt just because.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 25, 2015, 04:25:03 AM
Fuck Big Show and Kane.
The fact that they are involved in the major feuds of 2015 is a travesty.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 25, 2015, 07:43:19 AM
I really don't care for Barrett.  So I would like him to lose.  I didn't mention R-Truth because we all know he's not gonna win.

Sticking the belt on Ambrose means he won't be in the main event anymore, not that he was anyway since he's been in retarded feuds and been jobbing out like crazy lately.

He never really got his revenge on Seth Rollins, and then just decided to forget about it?  That doesn't sound like something (cue Michael Cole) THE LUNATIC FRINGE would forget about.

Ziggler winning is fine because they've made sure he will never be in the main event.  Same deal with Cody.  Daniel Bryan winning in the WWE's eyes will firmly place him in the midcard forever which is exactly what they want, while thinking they are giving fans what they want by throwing a title on him.

I covered Barrett and Truth, so that leaves Harper.  He sort of has the big monster thing going, but he isn't the biggest monster.  He will likely not go anywhere, especially without Bray.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 25, 2015, 08:32:28 AM
Well when Gold and Star were working together at the start against the Usos, their match got the biggest pop of the night.  So logically the idea was to turn Gold and Star evil, and then have them job out horribly.

I mean right now, how many tag teams are there?  Usos, Matadors, Cesaro/Kidd....Ascension?

Not a very deep pool of talent to reach into.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jonathanos on March 25, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
Yeah, Brock and Lesnar should have been fighting each other

:)

I'm going to kick the leg out from under your leg for that!!! :)

(http://i.imgur.com/RaeSDt8.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 25, 2015, 11:24:48 AM
Hahahhahahha that's worth the cost of th ppv
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 25, 2015, 01:14:01 PM
BRRRRAAAAAWWWWWWWKKKKKK versus LESSSSSSSSNNNNNAAAAAAARRRRRR!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 25, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Or Brock Lesnar vs Gym Leader Brock. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 25, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
Rusev's training video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FXJ19tkCwc8

Guy is awesome.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 25, 2015, 09:03:26 PM
That is a great promo package. Too bad he's losing. At least he'll get a nice entrance out of it. He definitely deserves it for his work this past year. Probably second best heel after Rollins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 26, 2015, 01:01:57 PM
Rusev, Rollins, Bray Wyatt.
If the WWE had any sense, they'd make sure these three guys are pushed to the moon, because they are the future top heels of the WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 27, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
I didn't bother to watch it.  I know there was an 8-man tag and basically the same diva  match again that we had on RAW.

Smackdown was taped the same day as RAW this week so it was all rehash.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 27, 2015, 01:32:01 PM
skipped it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 28, 2015, 07:33:22 AM
Like others I did not bother with Smackdown this week. I was away from home. Could have recorded it. But didn't see the point.

Hell I can barely muster enough interest to watch Wrestlemania at this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 28, 2015, 01:25:39 PM
(http://botchedspot.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/03/2015-03-27-pacific-time.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 08:09:56 PM
Good way to start off RAW.  Brock even laughed when people started chanting Suplex City.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 08:14:18 PM
brock actully going to wrestle on raw...well
I be damm

and HHH didnt come out a gloat killing 20 minutes

great start
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:17:15 PM
WrestleMania got me watching Raw for the first time in months. Damn.

Bryan/Ziggler

[possibly] Rollins/Lesnar?

Cena/[warm body]?

Good show lineup so far.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
Ziggler and Bryan bringing the INTENSITY.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 08:25:16 PM
fans reacting to them pretty strongly

time to bury them
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:33:10 PM
Great match. I'll sign up for 10 more between them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:34:55 PM
I like this crowd.

"You look stupid!"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 08:35:30 PM
And very accurate.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:39:29 PM
I guess Sheamus watched a lot of Mad Max movies while off. At least it wasn't Roadhouse. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
Demolition to the Hall of Fame!!!

...

The tag team,  I mean.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
Or Lucha Dragons on Raw. I'm cool with dat!!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:46:43 PM
The Lucha Dragons and an "NXT!" chant? Niiiice.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:47:20 PM
Whoa! Kalisto is awesome!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
But we already have a mexi-puerto team. 

I predict a Lucha Dragon/Matador feud soon.  Obscurity for both to follow.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Lucha Los Matadores Dragons!

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:53:21 PM
Are they saying NEW DAY SUCKS?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
Why are the fans doing Sami Zayn's chant?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
poor new day.

kind of like them, could match well with luchedragons

wonder how they able to get their chants working together so great. Did the crowd practice new day sucks before
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 08:56:31 PM
Booker T: We need to get every NXT on RAW

That might be the smartest thing he's ever said.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
They were saying New Day sucks.

That was a great match.  And now they are showing Adrian Neville?   Oh shit.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:56:55 PM
Booker T: We need to get every NXT on RAW

That might be the smartest thing he's ever said.

I was JUST coming to say that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 08:58:46 PM
need to start watching nxt
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
How long before Lucha Dragons are told not to wrestle like that? 

We all know that coming from NXT and being entertaining usually means you are turned into complete shit when you hit the E.

Remember Summer Rae's first match?  Now look at her.  Remember Johnny Curtis?  Look at him now.  Adam Rose?  Emma? 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 08:59:15 PM
And now an Adrian Neville teaser.

God damn it, WWE. Between last night and this Raw, why are you trying to convince me that you're going to stop sucking? I want to believe...


Hey, speaking of the Lucha Dragons and Neville, did everyone here that NXT's specials are going to start being MONTHLY?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
All they need to do is take that show on the road and the circle will be complete.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
World title match at 9:00pm? Yeah, I don't smell a swerve or anything.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
Brock is killing everyone!

PUT THAT MAN DOWN!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
so is this going to be a reason for not showing up now

actully the best solution to explain it
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
that and it mad him pretty scary
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
When did WWE become so compelling?! Did every single writer in the company get replaced in the last 36 hours or so? I NEVER would have thought WrestleMania and Raw would be this damn exciting and enthralling.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
I take back half the bad things I've ever said about Lesnar. Would have taken the other half if he had F5ed Cole again!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
He needs to F5 Steph before the night ends.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:18:12 PM
FUUUUUUCK, Steph!

That was hot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
I take back half the bad things I've ever said about Lesnar. Would have taken the other half if he had F5ed Cole again!!

See what showing up to work does for a career.


That was BAD ASS

but makes me wonder who could he F5 that the audience wont cheer. He should push..keep f5'ing more and more symphathetic character

untill he f5 a make a wish kid
and if they boo

"Opps..so that the line hu...sorry..just need to know. Here let me help you up little fella here a Tshirt a stack of 100's."
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 30, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Haha this is fun as Fuck!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:29:35 PM
Sad to see Stardust officially take the Jobber turn and being directionless. I really wish Cody would EVER get the push he deserves.

But Mizdow... still great. And what a fiery segment from Miz! EVERYONE is bringing the heat tonight, damn.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
Bah.  I missed Cody because I went to go take a shit.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:38:38 PM
Adrian Neville debut. AW YEAH.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 09:44:43 PM
quiet guys Cena coming out

a REAL CHAMPION

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 09:50:28 PM
Cena shit talking the crowd

thats new

maybe...heel turn
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
Match ends on a Rusev-induced DQ? Probably. But I'd LOVE to see Ambrose take this title.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 30, 2015, 10:08:39 PM
DAMN that was a match! Sucks for Ambrose to lose clean, but he looked like a billion bucks doing it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 10:20:08 PM
Summer and Emma get to sit out another match while the shitty Bella twins get to come out for the 6 woman tag match.  Fuck the whole Bella's who suck at wrestling and are annoying as all hell.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:21:23 PM
Oh, I hate when someone says that "They lost but they looked good doing it!" That's the stupidest thing I can hear!

Winning is what matters!

I'm sorry, It's just I gotta see Kane and Big Show later and now I gotta watch the Bellas pretend to wrestle and I don't think Paige will be in the entire match to make them look decent...

But maybe the Bellas can win and then make an L with their finger! Wowie! That's amazing heat getter that is!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 10:26:19 PM
Oh, I hate when someone says that "They lost but they looked good doing it!" That's the stupidest thing I can hear!

Winning is what matters!

I'm sorry, It's just I gotta see Kane and Big Show later and now I gotta watch the Bellas pretend to wrestle and I don't think Paige will be in the entire match to make them look decent...

But maybe the Bellas can win and then make an L with their finger! Wowie! That's amazing heat getter that is!

you hear that Bamf..prop just said he hates you

f5 him!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:27:36 PM
I don't hate NOT BAMF entirely, I hate his stupidity--granted that's nearly 90 percent of what makes him up... :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 30, 2015, 10:30:28 PM
Haha hahaha hope you guys heard us over the television!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:33:40 PM
Dude, it was a divas match, we all went to the bathroom! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 10:33:49 PM
Jesus Christ, can't these two idiots just flip the announcing table back over?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
That's the way Brock left it. If they move it...he might come back!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 30, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
Loudest chants of the night were now!  You suck cena followed by you suck Bryan followed by you suck Tyson followed by you suck Uso.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:39:49 PM
Why do you hate Tyson Tomko?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 30, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
Haha. If that was during commercial that is a shame.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Oh, that's why Rusev couldn't come out! He already had a scheduled match!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2015, 10:43:29 PM
Breaking news: Michael Cole seems to have suffered serious damage.

...

BWWWAHHHHAAAA  ;D
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 10:50:21 PM
Loudest chants of the night were now!  You suck cena followed by you suck Bryan followed by you suck Tyson followed by you suck Uso.

when were they saying bryan sucked
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 10:55:54 PM
as Divas match go it was pretty decent
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 30, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
wow the wave

That some shitting on a match right there
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 30, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
Loudest chants of the night were now!  You suck cena followed by you suck Bryan followed by you suck Tyson followed by you suck Uso.

when were they saying bryan sucked

They were talking about Saxton, no doubt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 31, 2015, 12:31:23 AM
No telling Brie she sucks Bryan
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 31, 2015, 12:34:08 AM
It started with "you suck Cena" then that died down,  then "you suck Bryan" then "you suck Tyson" then "you suck Uso"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 31, 2015, 07:25:15 AM
I don't hate NOT BAMF entirely, I hate his stupidity--granted that's nearly 90 percent of what makes him up... :)

I will make YOU lose! And you will NOT look good doing it!  >:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 31, 2015, 08:57:33 AM
The first two hours were pretty good.
Loved Kalisto's first appearance, and how the audience enjoyed the Lucha Dragons.
I am really looking forward to seeing more of this guy, although the size difference was shockingly large.
Let's hope it doesn't spook vince.

Neville was absolutely fan-damn-tastic!
This guy has jumped straight into my list of favorite wrestlers with just his debut.
The speed, agility and moves were breath taking to watch.

I also really enjoyed the Divas match, and was surprised to see them get like 10+ minutes.
it was compelling and fun.
Here's hoping they keep doing that.
Plus, Natties new outfit I approve of.

Quote
Bryan Alvarez was live in the crowd, and said he rewatched the main event on TV, and on TV the crowd mics were down to an insane degree. The crowd in the building was apparently deafening, with all the NXT guys' chants.

It was evident on TV, but the crowd liked Orton and Ryback, loved Rollins, and this part was most evident to anyone, they despised Kane, Show and Reigns.

They were really asking for the hijacking, putting that mid-October Smackdown main event on.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 31, 2015, 09:12:01 AM
The funny thing about Neville is that he's my LEAST faviorite of The NXT Five, but he's still great.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 31, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
The first two hours were pretty good.
Loved Kalisto's first appearance, and how the audience enjoyed the Lucha Dragons.
I am really looking forward to seeing more of this guy, although the size difference was shockingly large.
Let's hope it doesn't spook vince.

Neville was absolutely fan-damn-tastic!
This guy has jumped straight into my list of favorite wrestlers with just his debut.
The speed, agility and moves were breath taking to watch.

I also really enjoyed the Divas match, and was surprised to see them get like 10+ minutes.
it was compelling and fun.
Here's hoping they keep doing that.
Plus, Natties new outfit I approve of.

Quote
Bryan Alvarez was live in the crowd, and said he rewatched the main event on TV, and on TV the crowd mics were down to an insane degree. The crowd in the building was apparently deafening, with all the NXT guys' chants.

It was evident on TV, but the crowd liked Orton and Ryback, loved Rollins, and this part was most evident to anyone, they despised Kane, Show and Reigns.

They were really asking for the hijacking, putting that mid-October Smackdown main event on.


Didnt they do the wave during Rollins being on there. Not much love there
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 31, 2015, 02:31:52 PM
To be fair, it was during the boring part of most tag matches. Plus they did have Kane and Big Show tag in before.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 31, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Yeah I would have to go back and watch on TV. It was so loud. NXT was chanted all night,  the main got so many chants Like "same old shit" to Kane and "Cena's better" To Reigns Among like 10 other chants during the main.all sorts of chants all night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 31, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
Them doing the wave had nothing at all to do with Rollins. The main event was like McMahon bringing back the standard of "same old shit" with guys who should be retired and matches that don't matter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 31, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Them doing the wave had nothing at all to do with Rollins. The main event was like McMahon bringing back the standard of "same old shit" with guys who should be retired and matches that don't matter.

I dont know certaintly wasn't a PRO rollins chant then

So dont get the whole crowd was loving rollins
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 31, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
I'm disappointed to hear the main event was such a bomb, because the first two hours were fantastic. Like I said... to that point, it was the best Raw I'd seen in YEARS, by far. I ended up going to bed at 10, so I missed the Divas match, too, but I'm glad to hear it went long and looked good.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 31, 2015, 05:10:57 PM
Naomi's ass is the single-greatest part of any Diva in history. Unfortunately the stupid handkerchief thing was in the way of one cheek, infuriating me. Both she & Natalya looked hot as shit, though.

Actually a really good match, though, and really got going by the end. Kind of an anticlimactic ending, though, especially with Naomi (whose push has been dead in the water) just hitting a random Butt-Butt for the win.

I have a feeling the extended time was there to placate the angry Divas who were jealous over the time afforded NXT chicks.

The tag team main event was boring, but Ryback & Orton got good reactions. Reigns seemed like he got 100% boos, to the point where he was getting heat just for ENTERING THE RING. It's hilarious that FUCKING RYBACK is looking better in the ring than Reigns does right now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 31, 2015, 06:34:43 PM
Rollins was over for the main, but Ryback saw a corner of the fans going crazy and was playing to them so Ryback became easily the most over for the main event.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 31, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Y'know, to be fair, it really isn't Big Show and Kane's fault.

Big Show is probably the best actor and has the best acting range out of everyone--but when he's a heel, he reverts to "Ugh. Me big, me punch you, that all me need do." And that's boring.

And Kane at his best is wearing a mask, making witty remarks, shooting fire occassionally--but now Kane is wearing dress pants.

It's not that they're that horrible--it's that they're being pushed like juggernauts and constantly put into main storylines and main events when booking has them at their worse.


And for the record, I think Kofi doing the boom drop going NEW DAY and the fans going SUCKS was the best chant. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 31, 2015, 07:30:30 PM
Them doing the wave had nothing at all to do with Rollins. The main event was like McMahon bringing back the standard of "same old shit" with guys who should be retired and matches that don't matter.

I dont know certaintly wasn't a PRO rollins chant then

So dont get the whole crowd was loving rollins

They were booing him for being a cowardly heel and running off the beloved hero of the night, Brock Lesnar. IOW, he did his job. The fans shat on the match for the reasons I stated prior.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 31, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
Rusev, Rollins, Bray Wyatt.
If the WWE had any sense, they'd make sure these three guys are pushed to the moon, because they are the future top heels of the WWE.

Agreed, same three heels I would push.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 31, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
Fandango deserves a push.  He should be a solid mid card guy.  Good or bad.  He's supposed to be a heel but he is too entertaining to be one almost.  That is when he's allowed to do anything.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 31, 2015, 11:26:09 PM
Fandango Fucking sucks. He is exactly where he deserves to be.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 31, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
Fandango Fucking sucks. He is exactly where he deserves to be.

(http://i.imgur.com/SD6gPa2.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 31, 2015, 11:32:12 PM
Pittfox just gave Liquid Sailor bus fare to go to Suplex City
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 01, 2015, 12:44:48 AM
My opinion will not be swayed by a guy who performs in a Limp Bizket cover band for a living.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on April 01, 2015, 02:43:25 AM
My opinion will not be swayed by a guy who performs in a Limp Bizket cover band for a living.

That is completely untrue!

I don't make a living doing that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 01, 2015, 08:57:55 AM
http://411mania.com/wrestling/more-details-on-wwe-editing-hostile-raw-crowd-chants/

Shame on you fans! That was not cool! You're nearing New England Patriot fans level of douchebaggery and evil!

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 01, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
My opinion will not be swayed by a guy who performs in a Limp Bizket cover band for a living.

That is completely untrue!

I don't make a living doing that.

Neither does Fred Durst either, anymore!

Just keep rollin rollin rollin, buddy!


Also, how long before Neville is told not to do his Red Arrow and becomes the next Adam Rose/Fandango?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on April 01, 2015, 12:21:26 PM
http://411mania.com/wrestling/more-details-on-wwe-editing-hostile-raw-crowd-chants/

Shame on you fans! That was not cool! You're nearing New England Patriot fans level of douchebaggery and evil!

Haha Nikki was playing it up like yeah I do. I think if she didn't give in to the fans like that I don't it would have extended to the other Divas. Also Roman seemed pretty annoyed by the chants and boos, not sure if it seemed that way on TV. "Cena's Better" was probably my favorite chant all night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 01, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
As much as I like when fans take over, a lot of this seemed pretty extreme.

Sometimes I find myself feeling bad for these guys that I hate.  Roman Reigns is boring and sucks, but even I feel somewhat bad for him.

To an extent, I feel the same way about Cena, too.  I mean when people used to do this to Kurt Angle, it worked because he actually didn't suck, and he reacted to it like a heel would.  It was funny and worked.  A lot of what we see today is just out of pure hate.

The diva division is pure shit, and the matches are generally boring and fail to make the crowd actually care, unlike how things used to be in the attitude era, where the women's matches were actually good and worth watching.  The WWE themselves is to blame for this mainly, when you have talent like Summer being told to not wrestle and act like an idiot, Emma who sits in back all day and night not doing anything, and morons like Eva Marie being allowed to stay on the roster.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on April 01, 2015, 12:58:03 PM
On Smackdown this week, Daniel Bryan quickly assumes the mantle of being the IC champ by losing his match, so there's that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 01, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
As much as I like when fans take over, a lot of this seemed pretty extreme.

Sometimes I find myself feeling bad for these guys that I hate.  Roman Reigns is boring and sucks, but even I feel somewhat bad for him.

To an extent, I feel the same way about Cena, too.  I mean when people used to do this to Kurt Angle, it worked because he actually didn't suck, and he reacted to it like a heel would.  It was funny and worked.  A lot of what we see today is just out of pure hate.

The diva division is pure shit, and the matches are generally boring and fail to make the crowd actually care, unlike how things used to be in the attitude era, where the women's matches were actually good and worth watching.  The WWE themselves is to blame for this mainly, when you have talent like Summer being told to not wrestle and act like an idiot, Emma who sits in back all day and night not doing anything, and morons like Eva Marie being allowed to stay on the roster.

The divas matches are generally terrible, because you can hardly get into anything with having to work with 2-3 minutes.
I mean, you sure as hell cannot tell a story, nor can you get into the flow of a match to show off some flashier moves.

And we know that these girls can do that stuff.
They do it in NXT all the time.

Roman Reigns is getting the short end of the stick simply because of Creative/Vince.
The audience is just reacting to being offered a shit sandwich.

Cena is being booed because he is 1. Predictable like fuck, i.e. boring, 2. the same character since 10 years.
People just are tired of him.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on April 05, 2015, 10:35:13 PM
Watching the full episode of RAW now.

* Why in the fuck does Dolph Ziggler dress exactly like a Ken doll circa 1991?

* Chanting "This is Awesome!" before the guys have even finished the warm-up phase is dumb, and contributes to that phrase meaning nothing anymore. Stupid fans.

* Bryan/Ziggler was just okay. The "Headbutt Contest" was super-fake (who headbutts the SHOULDER?).

* Yondu O'Sheamus has a new look. Well, he couldn't look any sillier than he already did, so whatevs. A Heel Turn is a good move for him, though- he was languishing as The Generic Babyface With One Saying.

* That itty-bitty Lucha Dragon guy is basically Blitzkrieg Versions 2.0- a tiny Spotmonkey. Funny to see The Ascension treated like jobbers again. Didn't they beat The Old Age Outlaws on PPV?

* Brock going insane is one of the greatest things I've seen in years. Just this beautiful, angry engine of destruction, SO EAGER TO KILL that if he's prevented from getting to his target, he will simply murder everyone his vision lays upon. Such a heelish thing, but SO AMAZING that he instantly became the biggest Babyface in the company.

* Mizdow/Stardust is complete filler piffle. Mizdow is still popular, but without The Miz to imitate, he's just some guy, and he'll be back to nothing soon. Stardust as a JTTS is just sad, considering how over he & his brother were last year.

* I don't care how big her chin is, Lilian Garcia is still hot as fuck. I don't know how she's looked the exact same since the Attitude Era, either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 06, 2015, 09:10:27 PM
RAW has gone back to being pure shit.  Stardust VS Cena = Stardust being humiliated, getting almost no offense, and CENA WINS LOL!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 06, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
Kinda thought Dean Ambrose would come out to get revenge on Harper--but that would make Ambrose look good, so that won't happen. At least on RAW.

I don't think it's that bad. I don't get why Reigns didn't just destroy Big Show though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: JookDukem on April 06, 2015, 10:55:24 PM
Roman Reigns needs more oomph in his lead up to the superman punch. And by oomph I mean more cocking of the arm.  Shit is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. They need to add a sound effect and everything. Shit would be GOLDEN.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: JookDukem on April 06, 2015, 10:57:09 PM
If you gave Roman the Test Boot from back in the day, that lone change would make him 100% more viable as a contender.

Easily the best finisher ever.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 06, 2015, 11:07:21 PM
Man, you know you hit rock bottom when the Prime Time Players make fun of you (...even if they were actually funny).
Poor Detention... err ascension. Actually, screw em!

Lucha Dragons are fun.
Also, is it me or is Kalisto's mask looking a lot like Ray mysterio's?

Orton gets gargantuan pops.
I do hope he and Seth are going to have a feud for a while, since it was fun to watch them in the ring together.

Speaking of Seth... what was the reason for his fight with Neville?
Neither of them really got anything out of it.
Seth defeated a "newbie", and Neville lost, so, I don't really see the reason for that fight.
Also, it was... surprisingly unexciting :/

Oh, Big Show versus Roman Reigns!
I did never before see that fight!

...you guys think they'll let Roman win the title off of Rollins already at the next PPV?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 06, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
JBL: You lost your job, the battle royal and your match against your ex-boss!

Pretty much summing up how the WWE mucked up Mizdow. :)

And no Daniel Bryan?! Yeah this RAW wasn't all that great.

Did like Woods facial expression after Kofi cheated.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 06, 2015, 11:25:52 PM
The PTP are funny, but did they ever explain why they got back together after Titus stomped the shit out of him for being a loser (gay)?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on April 06, 2015, 11:56:59 PM
...you guys think they'll let Roman win the title off of Rollins already at the next PPV?

Nah, Seth will go over Randy. Roman will probably get put in a three way with Kane and Show.

I hope they realize the Cena Bum of the Week tour is not feasible longterm and decide to give Rusev the win at Extreme Rules. Not that I think such will happen. Cena will probably still be doing corny American stuff with the belt on July 4th.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on April 07, 2015, 01:18:06 AM
The PTP are funny, but did they ever explain why they got back together after Titus stomped the shit out of him for being a loser (gay)?

He came to his senses. Took a while, but he came.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 07, 2015, 02:52:59 AM
...you guys think they'll let Roman win the title off of Rollins already at the next PPV?

Nah, Seth will go over Randy. Roman will probably get put in a three way with Kane and Show.

I hope they realize the Cena Bum of the Week tour is not feasible longterm and decide to give Rusev the win at Extreme Rules. Not that I think such will happen. Cena will probably still be doing corny American stuff with the belt on July 4th.
Considering Cena ordered a new US belt look, yeah, you can bet on it.
Also surprisingly that Rusev pretty much has not said anything about it yet, or challenged him, etc.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 07, 2015, 02:59:15 AM
Quote
- A correspondent in attendance at tonight’s RAW in Austin, Texas noted that security were taking anti-Roman Reigns and a sign poking fun at the WWE Network being free this month.

Quote
It was also noted that many people in the crowd left before the #1 contenders Triple Threat main event began on TV.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 07, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
Well, Bray Wyatt was going on about someone, so maybe it's Roman Reigns.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 07, 2015, 02:46:26 PM
I was thinking (hoping) Sting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 07, 2015, 04:23:22 PM
Time to feed him to sting then.
The man still needs to have his Wrestlemania moment, and is an upcoming Superstar who will be with the company for the next 10-15 years!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on April 07, 2015, 04:50:38 PM
I figure it is either Reigns or Ryback. For Bray's sake, it better be Ryback.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 07, 2015, 07:35:25 PM
Sigh. How I dread the same stupid promo from Bray Wyatt every week.

And how the heck is he the NEW FACE OF FEAR? He lost to the UT!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on April 08, 2015, 02:13:48 AM
Neville seems alright. I expect to see him jobbing to Luke Harper on SmackDown with the month.

With those ears and that height, he'll never be taken seriously. Kevin Dunn will also kill his career just to spite Hunter.

His name is also stupid. The fuck is it with Vince McMahon and hating first names? 17 years ago, we'd be seeing the WWE debuts of Johnson, Helmsley and Austin.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on April 08, 2015, 04:58:46 PM
When Wyatt debuted, it was like a bolt of lightning. These fascinating, confusing, dark promos were completely unique- even people like Foley were all "he's one of the best ever!". After two years of them, it's pretty clear he knows only the one promo, and keeps doing it. It's gotten tired.

Wyatt's like Val Venis- he seemed like he had high charisma, but with his one act getting tired, he's revealed his weakness. He lacks the versatility of the TRUE greats like Austin, Rock & Foley.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on April 08, 2015, 05:05:36 PM
I think somewhere along the line his promo's have gone downhill. I think before maybe he said them with more conviction or something. Now it seems forced or maybe he isn't feeling them like he once did.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 08, 2015, 05:33:08 PM
It's not the promos.
It's the fact that the WWE doesn't actually give him something to work with.
There are either a.) no lasting ramifications from his actions or b.) he just gets jobbed out and buried (Cena) after which he took a whole YEAR to get back out from, only to be fed to the Undertaker, and nothing coming from that either.

Give him his ministry and send him onto direct road towards the Authority, and you'd be able to have storylines for at least two years to grow from this.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 09, 2015, 06:05:54 AM
Well, the booking hasn't helped him.

I mean, he breaks up the Wyatt family because...I don't know.
And remember when SHE was coming? That angle was dropped
And the only feuds he has won are against Daniel Bryan and Dean Ambrose--and that's because the WWE is insane and tries to make sure they don't get over or as over!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on April 10, 2015, 12:51:18 AM
So...How many of you people with awful tastes are going to see The Marine 4 just cuz Summer Rae is in it?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 10, 2015, 12:52:53 AM
So...How many of you people with awful tastes are going to see The Marine 4 just cuz Summer Rae is in it?

Already downloaded it for that reason.

It was great that not only did we get to see her come out, but we got to hear her theme music (best current diva theme music) and she got to talk!

Despite never getting to talk, she's a way better speaker than those fucking retard Bella twins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on April 10, 2015, 12:56:59 AM
So...How many of you people with awful tastes are going to see The Marine 4 just cuz Summer Rae is in it?

Already downloaded it for that reason.

It was great that not only did we get to see her come out, but we got to hear her theme music (best current diva theme music) and she got to talk!

Despite never getting to talk, she's a way better speaker than those fucking retard Bella twins.
She also got molested by Mizdow. A fine example of RAPE CULTURE!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 10, 2015, 01:54:46 AM
Silly Erick Rowan...

You're a jobber. And you must remain one while Bray Wyatt continues to do nothing. Nothing but the same promo and match over and over and over and over... :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 10, 2015, 02:17:21 AM
Ok so I watched the Marine 4.  Miz and Summer fight, Miz uses Summer as a human shield to absorb some bullets, and then throws her down hard.


I'm sad.  But she did look hot.  And spoke maybe four lines the entire movie.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on April 13, 2015, 06:07:40 PM
I honestly think I'm done with wrestling at least for the immediate future.  Maybe I'll check back in to see what there doing around RR next year.  It just too horrid now a each show is basically the same thing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 13, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
Going through RAW, and good lord, it starts out with Cena coming out, and the audience chanting "JOHN CENA SUCKS" a LOT.

Commentators: "Wherever John Cena goes, he is polarizing."

Well, he sure showed those Brits with defeating BNB in front of them.


Man, I used to love Bray Wyatt, but since he has been fed to another guy yet again (Undertaker, without actually taking anything positive from it), it hurts too much. He is the face of fear of nothing.
Unless they actually grow balls with him, I will stop caring about Bray.

That said, I love the Lucha Dragons.
They are small, but good, and entertaining like hell.

Holy crap, the audience LOATHES Roman Reigns.
He is second in Cena in getting boos so far.
And then they have Big Show beat the unholy hell out of Reigns.
To say Reigns booking has been schizophrenic would be an understatement.

Ambrose vs. Adam Rose.
Really.
Really!
Creative sucks.

Stardust takes a meaningless win over Fandango.
Ahahaha, Fandango went back to his old theme after it, and the audience fucking ERUPTS!

Daniel bryan taunts Kane about being a stooge, and he turns on the Authority.
Face turn!

..then he makes the unconscious Rollins cover him and win.
Welp, schizophrenic indeed.
Even the commentators are silent, and then you hear a little "...wow."
I bet even they can't believe this shit.

Miz vs. Mizdow with Summer Rae.
Goddamn, I always forget what long legs Summer has.

Hilarious Prime Time Players promo directed at El Matadores.

Dolph Ziggler gets a neat pop.
The audience loves him, everywhere.
He has people cheer for him no matter if in the UK or in the US.
Of course he'll go nowhere.

Oh fuck, he's up against Neville.
I expect greatness.
Beautiful moonsault outside the ring from the top rope.
He and Ziggler sell for each other hard.

I want to see Seth Rollins Vs. Neville vs. Ziggler vs. Daniel Bryan.
Would be so awesome, especially if they were allowed to cut loose in a 30 min match.

Hm, Neville loses to Ziggler.
That makes him have 1 win, 2 losses so far.
Then Sheamus comes in and beats up both.
Laaaame.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on April 14, 2015, 08:46:35 AM
I like that you review wrestling in poetry stanzas. I should start posting in only haikus...

Daniel Bryan, go!
Make Kane feel bad and turn face!
No, just a dumb ruse.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 14, 2015, 11:02:31 AM
Well, I'm sure a cage will stop any shenanigans. Good call, Randy.

Wish he had made his stipulation that Brock Lesnar was the special enforcer for the match. Have Lesnar just F5 everyone and put Cole out again....
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on April 14, 2015, 01:09:40 PM
Kinda want to see an Iron Man Match between Orton and Rollins. Anyone think that'd be neat?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 14, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
Quote
- WWE edited crowd reactions for several moments at Monday’s taped RAW from London. One of the bigger edits was when a graphic for Cesaro vs. Randy Orton was shown. Live, Cesaro’s picture got a big pop but on the RAW broadcast, Orton got the pop and there was barely any reaction for Cesaro.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on April 15, 2015, 11:52:41 AM
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- WWE edited crowd reactions for several moments at Monday’s taped RAW from London. One of the bigger edits was when a graphic for Cesaro vs. Randy Orton was shown. Live, Cesaro’s picture got a big pop but on the RAW broadcast, Orton got the pop and there was barely any reaction for Cesaro.
something something something Brass Ring.
something something something Millenials.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 16, 2015, 08:32:52 AM
Kinda want to see an Iron Man Match between Orton and Rollins. Anyone think that'd be neat?
Yes and no.
Yes i think it'd be neat, but no, i dont think it'd go over well. Today's audience doesnt have the patience for that type match.
IM matches are looked back on fondly but dont hold up well. Like an episode of an old tv series.

It just depends on how they book it. If it's like the snorefest that was Shawn vs Bret then no, but if it's like The Rock vs Triple H version then yeah. I could see Rollins going, "okay, I'll get DQed if I hit him with a chair...but I'll score two pin falls because of it."
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 17, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
Pretty sure Triple H hit The Rock with a steel chair, took the DQ, but that allowed him two straight pin falls on The Rock.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 19, 2015, 11:01:11 AM
http://www.rspwfaq.net/2012/05/assorted-may-per-view-countdown-wwf_29.html

Ooops. Looks like Triple H only go one fall out of it. My bad. Still, it was smart.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 27, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
Am I the only one who finds it...peculiar how African American wrestlers turn heel and suddenly other heels suddenly turn face for no real reason whatsoever? I'm talking wrestlers who had been heel for years suddenly turning Superman rescue cats from trees type levels of goodness?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 29, 2015, 08:33:35 AM
Cesaro has always been a heel. Tyson Kidd neglects his wife and doesn't care if she gets hurt or not. The Bellas...well, they've tried to be evil for a year or two now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on April 29, 2015, 12:06:29 PM
Remember when the Bellas were in a giant, hate-filled feud, revolving around accusations that Bryan cheated on his wife? Then they just dropped everything for a swerve and they were friendly again? Because WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on April 30, 2015, 09:22:35 PM
wait a second are the bellas suspose to be good guys now

WHEN THE FUCK did that happen

You got to build to those stories..or have a big turn

Yea cant just say

"Yea your suspose to rooting for her..and booing the other one"

that HORRIBLE story telling
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 30, 2015, 09:37:45 PM
AJ left so I guess that means Bella's turned good.

The same Bella's who call people losers all the time.


And now Naomi is bad I guess, because.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 30, 2015, 10:37:30 PM
She's bad because she beat the champion twice and then a battle royal was held to decide the number one contender. "Don't wins and losses matter?" No. This is the WWE.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 01, 2015, 12:40:08 PM
Never mind that the Bella were turned in the first place because the fans weren't cheering them or feeling any sympathy when they were hurt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on May 03, 2015, 02:03:30 PM
She's bad because she beat the champion twice and then a battle royal was held to decide the number one contender. "Don't wins and losses matter?" No. This is the WWE.

God dammit your not suspose to have your heels have that good of a point to be upset

it like when AJ was bad..saying she the best Diva and only one with talent. Then whup like 30 of those bitches single handedly..then you go. You know what..she kind of is the only Diva with Talent. She beat everyone of them Cleanly and gets them to tap
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 03, 2015, 07:53:05 PM
Tamina has been out with an injury, and is coming back in the very near future. I think she's working house shows, actually.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 04, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
Crazy that The New Day is maybe the most entertaining aspect of WWE these days.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 04, 2015, 09:22:01 PM
That Ambrose/Rollins match was tits. God, those two are awesome.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 04, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Lana danced with Fandango.  My dick got so hard it burst.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 04, 2015, 10:27:03 PM
Sami Zayn debuts!! 



















And loses to Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 05, 2015, 03:52:08 AM
And apparently aggravates his shoulder.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-05-04/sami-zayn-injury-update
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 08, 2015, 11:48:12 AM
Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, and Hideo Itemi. All out anywhere from one month to 8 months.

:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 09, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
Itemi. Bryan was supposed to be out four weeks. I mean, they didn't strip the belt off him so I'm guess he's not too bad.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 09, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
Yeah, Itami is in the 6-8 month range. :(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on May 19, 2015, 12:02:10 AM
Kevin Owens!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 19, 2015, 12:49:16 AM
I didn't see Kevin Owens bodyguards, or his version of Kane around to help him beat down Cena. Funny how Rollins needs to do that all the time just to maintain his wins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 19, 2015, 02:51:58 AM
I didn't see Kevin Owens bodyguards, or his version of Kane around to help him beat down Cena. Funny how Rollins needs to do that all the time just to maintain his wins.

Just give it time. Once Owens makes the main roster for good and gets stuck in a feud with Cena. (https://31.media.tumblr.com/179578fcd89f1bef2f11e0fad47c889f/tumblr_n92e49vNzv1r8nnyuo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 19, 2015, 08:02:27 AM
So the NXT championship is equal to the US title? That seems kind of a let down.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 19, 2015, 12:12:50 PM
That's not the impression I got considering he stepped on it
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 19, 2015, 01:16:54 PM
The announcers were talking like Owens got a big break getting a title match with Cena so I assumed the NXT title was lower ranked.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 19, 2015, 01:53:09 PM
Hmm... Okay then. You're probably right because that is for sure the case for McMahon, and we all know he's constantly chirping and an harassing the announcers
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 19, 2015, 07:09:42 PM
Cena could hold the WWE Dogshit Title and Vince would still think a new guy should be honored to face (and eventually job to) him. (http://www.wrestlescoop.com/msn_displays/vince2.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 19, 2015, 07:26:16 PM
I've never seen this Kevin Owens, he said while talking to Cena that he had been wrestling for 15 years, is he really good because he kind of looks like the standard Southern Fat Guy Wrassler ?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on May 19, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
Owens will unify the titles at the Chamber, You heard it here first.

 :P
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 19, 2015, 11:28:21 PM
What about CENAWINSLOL! Since they are moving him away from Main Event status they probably need to keep him happy with his crap US title, if Rusev couldn't get a break I doubt Owens will either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 19, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
One way or another
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/726/478/79d.gif)

If Owens takes the U.S. belt, Cena will just head back to the main event and resume giving "da rub" to Rollins and Ambrose. Then when Owens yaps about how he took the U.S. Title, John will overcome them odds and make him the next Barrett/Wyatt/Rusev.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 20, 2015, 12:17:26 AM
Can nothing stop this madness?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on May 29, 2015, 06:36:37 AM
Rusev injured himself and had to be wheelchaired out at the end, looks like he's missing EC. Oh well, gives him time to cool off from this awful booking he's been getting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 29, 2015, 06:45:54 AM
Rusev injured himself and had to be wheelchaired out at the end, looks like he's missing EC. Oh well, gives him time to cool off from this awful booking he's been getting.

So now the only guy worth a shit in that EC match is Ziggler....fan fucking tastic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 29, 2015, 08:08:06 AM
Well, word is Bray Wyatt will replace him.

And I'd rather have Bad King Barrett win the IC title. He's already cursed with the KotR so let's add the IC curse to it and try to contain the damage.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 29, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
Haven't watched WWE since about a month, but I'm sure glad to see that Cena still "elevates" whoever he he faces.
Elevating them right into jobberdom.-
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 29, 2015, 05:12:36 PM
I think my problem with the current WWE is...we all know how this is going to end. Like the PPV main event. Outside interference will help Rollins win because that's how it's been since flippin' WrestleMania!! Probably be Kane or maybe Big Show returns or whatever.

I'd honestly like to see Ambrose get a surprise win and Seth have to worry about Owens trying to steal his spot and being deserate to get his belt bac
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 30, 2015, 01:59:00 AM
What he can just keep hitting the same moves and no selling. I will admit that I didn't think Reigns could throw himself around for Lesnar...but are we really going to say that was a great main event at WrestleMania?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 30, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
It isn't really true though.  Reigns is boring and has no personality.

If DB hadn't come back, people would have wanted Ambrose to be in that spot.  Or anyone not named Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 30, 2015, 11:13:57 AM
Well I know we both agree that Rusev vs Lesnar would have been much better.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on May 30, 2015, 12:46:22 PM
If there's no escape why do the guys get kicked out when they get pinned?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on May 30, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
Just read where Elimination Chamber is known as No Escape in Germany. Makes sense i guess...

Edit:
Actually, thats....not much better. ???
Recently found that out myself. Couldn't help but laugh a little.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 31, 2015, 02:45:58 AM
Well I know we both agree that Rusev vs Lesnar would have been much better.

That is one of the matchups I want to see most.

Too bad Cena took some of it's luster off. But Rusev is young and can hopefully recover after he gets healthy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 01, 2015, 10:43:44 PM
Well, if Reigns loses to Wyatt he's all set. Just check out all the suffering The New Face of Fear has unleashed upon the souls of the good guys.

Daniel Bryan: Accomplishes his dream and becomes world champion
John Cena: Defeats the unbeatable Rusev and has brought respect to the IC belt.
Ryback: Goes on to win the Intercontinental title.
Ambrose: Somehow is in the world title picture (which Wyatt has never been in)

Reigns loses, somehow gets in money in the bank, wins the world title, and saves the universe.


Oh, and the Bellas are heels again...and I take back saying Nikki improved. WTF was that supposed to be? If it's "I'm trying to break my neck" she's on her way to it!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 01, 2015, 10:44:56 PM
And the Bellas cheat to win.  Sounds like something a face would do.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 01, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
And how does Twin Magic work now? I mean, yeah early on they looked the same but now Nikki's had...enhancements, she's more buff, different hair, the skin tone is different.

And why doesn't the ref start the match over after seeing the switch on the...

Why do I ask logical question about WWE booking and logic? :(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 01, 2015, 11:27:15 PM
Yea the Bellas are easy to tell apart, that's why "twin magic" with them is completely retarded.


It makes sense with the Usos, because they look exactly the same.  I can't tell them apart at all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 02, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
What Bam Neeley was to wrestling bodyguards Bray Wyatt is to Faces of Fear.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: boundtoflames on June 02, 2015, 08:21:39 AM
They must have had to drug Miz because any man that is even slightly in shape would have seen that punch coming like NASA charting a comet from 10 light years out.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 02, 2015, 08:31:56 AM
He was behind him! It's like trying to see over the Great Wall of China! :)

So is Big Show out of the Authority now?


Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on June 07, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
He's too big for the Authority. He's a giant!!1!.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 15, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Is Bray threatening to kill/kidnap/rape Roman's kid?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on June 16, 2015, 07:02:45 AM
I know the fans are popping for Lesnar like he's a face, but last night made it pretty clear he and Paul are working in conjunction with The Authority, so... heel vs heel for the title?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 16, 2015, 07:50:59 AM
I know the fans are popping for Lesnar like he's a face, but last night made it pretty clear he and Paul are working in conjunction with The Authority, so... heel vs heel for the title?

Well when Cena was forced to put the Authority back in power, Lesnar and Heyman were right next to them, toasting the occasion.  Which was odd since Lesnar was forced to defend his title and lost it to the Authority's guy, Seth.



But it doesn't matter.  Whoever wins, Sheamus cashes in and becomes the Heavyweight Champion, and we all lose.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on June 16, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
But it doesn't matter.  Whoever wins, Sheamus cashes in and becomes the Heavyweight Champion, and we all lose.
Or a badly beaten Lesnar still manages to beat Sheamus clean after he tries to cash in.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on June 17, 2015, 06:33:19 AM
Did they ever give an explanation as to why the Prime Time Players were suddenly pals again? And babyfaces, at that? Or was it a Bellas thing and they just teamed up again one day?

Rollins still looks like such a pussy, the way he's booked. It's the old problem of "They never push new guys!" combined with "the new guys have no credibility!"

Kevin Steen/Owens seems to have an okay character, but it's funny to see him treated so dominantly given that he looks like a Standard College Fratboy, complete with big beer-gut.

Is there a couple in wrestling history with as little chemistry as Dolph Ziggler & Lana? He looks so uninterested in her sexually that if I hadn't heard that he ragdolled Amy Schumer, I'd think he was gay.

What's the point of him pairing up with Vince's favourite new girl in the first place, if he's just going to lose all the time? Though I suppose since Dolph is in that permanent "always sorta-over" zone no matter HOW much he loses, it's simple enough to just have him job his way up and down the card.

Has any wrestler been as highly-touted in his debut, and ended up such a disappointment, as Bray Wyatt? When he first came out, people were jumping on his cock and saying he was a Top Ten Promo Guy in wrestling history- even Mick Foley was like "he's better than I was". A while later, and he's basically got the same tired old schtick, right down to randomly-appearing and attacking guys during other matches for no reason other than to give them an excuse to lose, and start a new feud. Every promo is now the same- he basically has nothing else in his six-shooter.

Teaming Brock & Heyman back up with the Authority? Shit move. Brock's return should have basically been him looking at J&J sideways and sending them scurrying for the hills with shit pouring out of their pants, then murdering Triple-H, and declaring Rollins next. Talk about wasting his goodwill for the murdering he did of those refs, announcers & that cameraman.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on June 17, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Is there a couple in wrestling history with as little chemistry as Dolph Ziggler & Lana? He looks so uninterested in her sexually that if I hadn't heard that he ragdolled Amy Schumer, I'd think he was gay.
Seeing as how Lana and Rusev live together; Dolph is probably scared to do anything beyond the most passionless of pecks, since even a one-legged Rusev is still pretty threatening.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 17, 2015, 09:28:49 AM
Yeah, I didn't get Brock and the Authority. Last time Stephanie cheated him out of his rematch, he went berserk, and she suspended him saying, "I own that sonuvabitch!"

And now...to toughen Rollins up, Triple H and Stephanie bring Brock back? Why not have Heyman sue and win because he could say that the reasons for the rematch not happening were fraudulent; he can't wrestle Brock because of jet lag and then he wrestles later in the night? Breach of contract.

And poor Dean Ambrose. Gets super over and the WWE will not let him move past the spot they have for him.

And I don't blame Bray entirely. The booking for him is horrible. Heck, its right up there with the diva division. Bray decides to cut ties with the Family because...(?). He's hardly on TV in matches, and just gives the same promo over and over. I mean, is he a special attraction in the WWE's eyes? And look, he beats Ryback and then...Ryback goes on to win the IC title? Whu?

Again, he's at his spot and they keep him there doing the same things over and over.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on June 17, 2015, 07:17:23 PM
Is there a couple in wrestling history with as little chemistry as Dolph Ziggler & Lana? He looks so uninterested in her sexually that if I hadn't heard that he ragdolled Amy Schumer, I'd think he was gay.

What's the point of him pairing up with Vince's favourite new girl in the first place, if he's just going to lose all the time? Though I suppose since Dolph is in that permanent "always sorta-over" zone no matter HOW much he loses, it's simple enough to just have him job his way up and down the card.

You can tell Lana is not enjoying kissing Dolph either. She looked rather uncomfortable when they smooched monday.

Vince reportedly wants to make Lana the female face of the E by using her real name and possibly basing her character on Baywatch's CJ Parker. As if anyone remembers Pamela's characters name on that show in 2015.

Maybe Lana was put with Dolph since he gives off that beach bum vibe. Unless it ends in a reconciliation between Rusev and Lana, the angle is doomed to failure. Lana does not wrestle and can't parade around in bikinis so a 90's Sable-esque thing is out.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on June 17, 2015, 07:48:15 PM
Barrett, Sheamus and Ziggler are all in that Midcard Jobber Zone. Thus I'd why I said a year ago that the company should just release the lot of them, because even the guys who are over are being intentionally sabotaged. Even Austin has said that he might not have survived in this culture.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 17, 2015, 10:37:05 PM
Barrett's had it way worse. I mean, whenever something gets over for the guy--he loses and changes gimmicks. Like Bad News Barrett. It was getting over--so they have him lose all the time and change it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 24, 2015, 01:34:30 PM
Too bad he nearly killed Jamie Knoble in the process.

And I couldn't really enjoy it. The Authority being on the same page means months and months of that boring stable.

Did like Ryback beating up Big Show though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 29, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
...

I can't wait for Monday Night Football.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 30, 2015, 06:19:29 PM
And I'm not alone. :)

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-raw-rating-slips-to-near-record-low-viewership/


That's what you get for saying Lesnar won't be there in the very opening of the show. And the countdown to Cena getting the belt back starts....now. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 30, 2015, 06:21:55 PM
But yesterdays RAW did have one noteworthy thing.  Summer came out with Rusev and actually got to speak on the mic, showing us that she is currently the best diva on the roster as far as mic skills go.  She sounds sincere and doesn't try to push the bullshit the way the retarded sounding Bella whores do.


Plus she also rolled around the ring with Lana.  I had no idea my balls contained as much semen as they did after watching that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on June 30, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Summer and Lana need to settle things in a bra and panties match.

Rusev has shown he is really good on the mic. He is coming over better in this angle than the supposed face side of Ziggler and Lana.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 01, 2015, 09:21:57 AM
My problem is...

Okay, I really want to be a Dean Ambrose fan, but the WWE does everything possible to make sure I'm not. He constantly gets beat up, he loses match after match--mostly to flippin Kane, and those scripts are so bad.

And it's that way for everyone not Cena or Seth Rollins.

It's so bad--I just want Bray and Kane to disappear because they're both one note and I know if I'm interested in a match--those two twits will interfere in the match and ruin it. :(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 02, 2015, 07:45:03 AM
Yes. That's how bad WWE creative is. I mean, look at what they did to him! He used to wear cool red and black costumes, an awesome match, did pretty good mic work--now he wears khakis, interferes in every match I like, and is absolutely boring.

I mean, yeah, the WWE used to write bad storylines for him, but at least bad storylines I can mock and talk about. Boring...I have to wait for something interesting to happen. It ain't happened in a long time!! 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 04, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
Watching WWE utterly ruin both Rusev & Lana (the latter of whom Vince ACTUALLY WANT TO PUSH) is another perfect reason to not watch. The company fucked up Cesaro, and both Bryan & Punk are gone. There's no reason to watch anymore- anyone good will just be punished and fed to losers. And there'll be more fucking Sheamus.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 04, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
You know what's funny? Right before Elimination Chamber, I was getting prepared to write up a long post about how, since the start of 2015, WWE had really turned a corner. 2014 may have been second to only 1995 in terrible years in company's last 30, but I thought 2015 was turning out to be a real bright spot that was filling me with positivity.

And it feels like all the optimism I felt was CRUSHED by Elimination Chamber and the subsequent Raws/Smackdowns.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 04, 2015, 05:08:23 PM
Well, WrestleMania was good, but the build to it was horrible with UT not even bothering to show up once, the booking of Reigns and Lesnar. ect

And Ryback is looking really good right now so maybe he can overcome the IC curse.

I just don't get how you could have written a long post about the WWE turning a corner. I think it's actually worse than 2014 at the same point in time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 04, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Well, admittedly the WRITING is still dreadful, and the booking is weird, but I saw the positives as:

1) The tag division was on fire.

2) NXT guys were incorporating into the main roster, and adding more flavor.

3) Seth Rollins was main eventing. Against guys like Dean Ambrose.

4) John Cena was midcarding, AND making the US Title fun and exciting.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 04, 2015, 10:58:41 PM
1. ...Well, you had the Lucha Dragons, Cesaro and Kidd and the newly heel New Day--but booking has mucked that up since. Kidd is hurt, The New Day keeps getting jobbed out and the Lucha Dragons should have been the ones to have taken the belts off them. They were major over with the crowd and then--nothing.

2. I'll agree with this. Owens has looked good. I mean, yeah, he's jobbing to Cena again, but that's what everyone does. Just look what it did for Rusev! :)

3. ...I really want to enjoy it but Ambrose is booked so horribly 95 percent of the time. And there matches almost always have some sort of stupid BS in the end. I'd love to see Ambrose as champion, but the WWE won't even let him pin Kane! How can I believe he'll win when the WWE is that stupid?!?

4. Yeah, I thought it was good at first--but Cena is jobbing the heck out of the roster with his challenge! I get the logic is that whoever finally takes the belt off Cena will be over--but does anyone here think creative will not ruin this?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 04, 2015, 11:52:25 PM
It's only a matter of time before the next batch of NXT guys turn into pure jobbers.

Remember, in NXT people loved Johnny Curtis as well.  He debuts in WWE by beating Jericho which was a huge deal...now look at him.

Look at Adam Rose.

Look at Emma and Summer.





Yes, WWE sure makes use of those NXT guys.    My hopes for Neville and Kevin Owens will be dashed, I'm certain.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on July 05, 2015, 06:40:46 AM
I can see why viewership has gone down.
It seems the product is steadily getting worse.

There's also been coming out information that the creative team is getting increasingly frustrated, because they aren't allowed to do long-term booking and need to go with the schizophrenic push/loss/push/loss thing with various wrestlers, that keeps them positively mediocre.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 05, 2015, 07:52:10 AM
I'm reminded of the reports that Vince has a tendency to go "Why aren't we pushing the tag teams more?" then arbitrarily coming into a meeting and going "why the fuck are we spending so much time on tag teams?" The company really has no hope with him in charge, and the falling ratings are proving that. They've kicked fans in the dick so many times over the past couple years, and they can't even get the pushes they WANT to do right (Reigns).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 05, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
Owens is a crappy wrestler though. Mid card at best.

Erm. Okay? In... in what regard do you find him crappy? I'm genuinely curious. Like, if your opinion is "He looks like a piece of a shit", then yeah... I can get behind that. He doesn't look like he belongs within a hundred yards of any kind of athletic competition. But dude's charisma and ringwork are upper-echelon.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 05, 2015, 08:29:35 AM
By the way, did anyone watch Beast In The East? It wasn't bad. Well... 2 matches were really good. The rest were bad.

Jericho and Neville had a 16 minute match. Darned good match, showing Y2J can still go, but he also went over Neville, which is just baffling. But like I said... Neville is a short-term novelty, and I never expected them to so anything with him.

Brock DESTROYED Kofi in 2 minutes (and it only last that long because Kofi started the match off by running away for a while), and then destroyed Xavier and Big E just for fun. More fucking bullshit jobbing off guys that worked hard and go over. I am not saying Kofi and New Day should have pushed Brock to the limit, but if it's just a squash, why use New Day? Jesus, use the healthy Uso or Cesaro or Fandango or Luke Harper if that's what you're going to book. New Day has been over, so why just destroy them effortlessly?

Nikki beat Tamina and Paige after pinning with Tamina with... a forearm shot.

Finn Balor beat Kevin Owens for the NXT title in a match that brought the house down. I fucking love both of these guys, and they are respectively my 3rd and 4th favorite NXT guys (after Zayn and Itami, and just barely ahead of Breeze). Match was awesome.

Cena and Ziggler wrestled Kane and Barrett, and I stopped watching because NO WAY were these four following up Balor/Owens with any success.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on July 05, 2015, 08:47:49 AM
They plan for Nikki to break AJ's record, even gave her hashtag for it and all.
So that is why she won, again.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 05, 2015, 09:06:59 AM
They plan for Nikki to break AJ's record, even gave her hashtag for it and all.
So that is why she won, again.

Yeah, and I'm fine with that. The match wasn't even bad. It was just... she won with a forearm shot. Is she Lex Luger now?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 05, 2015, 09:09:59 AM
Also, and I didn't mention this earlier... Saxton and Cole did commentary for Beast In The East, and they did a fantastic job. A few times, Cole had no idea what to call moves (we all remember that from back when commentary's job was to CALL THE MATCH), and just said "Oh, that's amazing! He's dead!", but aside from that, they did a really good job. They talked about each person's ties to Japan, put all the focus on the matches rather than some other bullshit, and they even referred to Finn Balor as formerly being known as Prince Devitt. I was thoroughly surprised how enjoyable Cole and Saxton can be to listen to without Vince screaming in their ears.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on July 05, 2015, 09:14:28 AM
They plan for Nikki to break AJ's record, even gave her hashtag for it and all.
So that is why she won, again.

Yeah, and I'm fine with that. The match wasn't even bad. It was just... she won with a forearm shot. Is she Lex Luger now?

Nikki's rack attack is reminiscent of the torture rack as well, so yeah she kind of is female luger.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 05, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
I'm glad BAMF brought up the fact that one Uso is not injured and yet he doesn't do anything.

Maybe the Usos are like Tomax and Xamot, where when you hurt one it hurts the other, too.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 05, 2015, 12:21:10 PM
And she has just as many face and heel turns already! :)

And I'm not fine with that. I mean, if someone like Paige had the belt and could put on good to great matches with anyone, yeah. Super. Nikki Bella...she to take the most weirdest awkward bumps I've seen. It's like her opponent is going one speed and she's three times slower.
Oh, and having to constantly hear them on commentary because--TOTAL DIVAS!

I guess it could be worse. Could be Brie.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 05, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
I was thinking it'd be nice for this Uso to have a singles run. WWE could use a nice Samoan singles presence.
And i'll tell you all same thing i told my kid when he pointed out Roman Reigns.  He's not Samoan Samoan. He happens to BE Samoan. Its like me not being black black. :P

Yea but WWE can't have one Uso running around because no one will know which one it is.  At least with the Bellas you have one with huge tits and different hair to tell them apart.  Plus due to him being a part of the tag team, he can't do anything noteworthy because he will eventually be back with his partner.


As far as your "color", you're basically a Puerto that was left in the oven a bit too long.  Or as Jelly would say, a self loathing race traitor uncle tom something something (I can't keep up with all the phrases he uses)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 05, 2015, 07:08:53 PM
I confess I don't miss the Usos much. When they are around, the whole division gets built around them. Otoh I really do miss Kidd and Cesaro. I hope Tyson's career is not done. Harper and Rowan have been wasted terribly.

I confess I kind of like New Day and the Prime Time players now. Never thought I would say that as I used to find Titus and Big E to be rather sloppy. Plus Xavier Woods and Darren Young were bland. But they all function better in a tag environment at the moment. Its good to see Kofi being relevant again. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on July 06, 2015, 11:31:57 PM
Okay, Cesaro has to be pushed now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 06, 2015, 11:33:50 PM
NEVER!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 07, 2015, 06:25:40 AM
Kevin Owens looked awful for getting taken out by Cena so easily after John wrestled such a long tiring match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 07, 2015, 07:04:28 AM
Kevin Owens looked awful for getting taken out by Cena so easily after John wrestled such a long tiring match.

Yeah, Owens is on a rough stretch at the moment. Jobbing to Cena, then getting pinned by Balor in a tag match, then dropping the NXT belt to Balor, and now getting punked by Cena. So either WWE is settling into their usual motif of "What? We have an immensely talented, mega-over talent? BURY HIM TO PROVE HOW MUCH HE WANTS IT!", or they're really painting him as the momentum-less underdog so a win over Cena will be more impactful.

I'm hoping the latter, but we all feel in our bones that it's the latter, right?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 07, 2015, 07:06:41 AM
Kevin Owens looked awful for getting taken out by Cena so easily after John wrestled such a long tiring match.

This is Cesaro's role. He's a great hand who will always put on Instant Near-Classics. No matter where he is on the card, he'll be able to go out and put on a terrific match with damn near anyone. He's never going to acend beyond this role because he's essentially Dolph Ziggler with a lot less charisma.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on July 07, 2015, 07:12:54 AM
I see Cena is still doing his usual routine.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 07, 2015, 07:39:07 AM
At what point did John Cena just decide that he was going to call all of his matches in the ring, vocally, clearly on-camera the entire time? He was yakking up a STORM in there against Cesaro. I decided to check it out because I heard the match was good, and as soon as I thought about fan criticisms online of Cena calling all his spots, I REALLY started picking up on it.

Though it's cool to see Cena's offense increase so much recently. I don't recall seeing the Flying Fameasser/Legdrop, Sit-Out Front Slam and assorted other stuff from him before. I think he's taking seriously his "take a step back and become the guy who has good matches with random guys" angle.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 07, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
He's always yelled his spots.

And he's done the Flying legdrop before.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 07, 2015, 04:39:54 PM
He's always yelled his spots.

And he's done the Flying legdrop before.

He used to do it every single match. It was part of his [X]-Moves Of Doom. I didn't even realized he'd phased it out in recent years.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on July 07, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
Thats because Cena is ever evolving.
I laughed out loud at that, actually.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on July 07, 2015, 06:11:47 PM
Cena yelling spots was a bit much, but the match was very good. Cesaro is so under utilized it's crazy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 07, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
...

Am I the only one who caught the Lucha Underground commercial? ...Was I the only one wishing it was on right then and there?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 13, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
Listening to Nikki talk sucks, and its clear she is the AJ replacement. 


She seriously is the worst actor out of all of them.  And I want her to get cancer and die.  Or for Cena to break up with her so her shield is down and we can forget she ever existed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 13, 2015, 09:02:38 PM
But Becky Lynch just debuted in WWE, so I guess that means we can officially fire Eva Marie, right?

Oh, and Charlotte too.




...And Sasha Banks!







Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 13, 2015, 09:41:40 PM
It hurts to watch what they have done with Wade Barrett. (http://i.imgur.com/Bea03rZ.png)

So talented, yet booked like an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 14, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
That three man that turned into a singles match between Cesaro and Rusev was outstanding. All three and then both guys took it to the next level, which is saying something considering who we are talking about.

Rusev came out looking strong too given Owens interference and him being exhausted coming into the match. I just wish that type booking was the rule not the exception.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 14, 2015, 03:39:05 AM
Listening to Nikki talk sucks, and its clear she is the AJ replacement. 


She seriously is the worst actor out of all of them.  And I want her to get cancer and die.  Or for Cena to break up with her so her shield is down and we can forget she ever existed.

Nah, I'll go Brie being the worst and during the brawl...wow it's like night and day who the real talented ones were. Does anyone throw worse punches than Brie?

And I really don't like how the were introduced? I mean...Stephanie invites them? Wouldn't it have worked better if Paige called up Becky and Charlotte for help and Naomi and Tamina called up Sasha? Stephanie wasn't needed at all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 14, 2015, 05:44:50 AM
Listening to Nikki talk sucks, and its clear she is the AJ replacement. 


She seriously is the worst actor out of all of them.  And I want her to get cancer and die.  Or for Cena to break up with her so her shield is down and we can forget she ever existed.

Nah, I'll go Brie being the worst and during the brawl...wow it's like night and day who the real talented ones were. Does anyone throw worse punches than Brie?

And I really don't like how the were introduced? I mean...Stephanie invites them? Wouldn't it have worked better if Paige called up Becky and Charlotte for help and Naomi and Tamina called up Sasha? Stephanie wasn't needed at all.

Have Paige confront the Bellas by bringing in her people, and have Summer Rae come out and bring in the BFF's, and then we have a serious diva's division that would actually be entertaining?


NEVER!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 14, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
I didn't watch Raw, but I understand they made Sasha, Becky, and Charlotte's debut to be all about Stephanie. Because of course they did.

And where was Bayley?!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 14, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
Well, it doesn't really matter for the next two months anyway. Nikki won't lose the belt until she breaks AJ's record because the WWE is extremely petty. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 14, 2015, 01:20:11 PM
I think Bayley is still shaking off an injury. Rumor is she will feud with Emma in NxT and win the title as well.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 15, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
I think Bayley is still shaking off an injury. Rumor is she will feud with Emma in NxT and win the title as well.

I heard she came back this week. Or was, at least, back in-ring working.

I love me some Bayley.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 20, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
I can't fathom that Taker actually SOUNDS worse than he LOOKS.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 20, 2015, 08:25:36 PM
I see Brie stealing more mannerisms and moves from her husband to get cheers.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 20, 2015, 09:04:52 PM
Even by Heyman standards, that was a GREAT promo.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 20, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
Even by Heyman standards, that was a GREAT promo.

This and the brawl afterwards was the most entertaining RAW has been in a while.  I love it takes half the locker room to stop a 50+ year old Undertaker.


And Summer dressing up like Lana?  I like.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 20, 2015, 11:06:48 PM
And actually a fun ending, too.  I like the teamwork attacks at the end.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 21, 2015, 01:50:09 AM
The Divas tag match was really good. Except having to listen to the usual Bella stupidity on commentary.

And the ratings are down really bad so...CENA IS THE ANSWER. And you know what. Let him have the stupid belt. Yeah, he's been having great matches--but look at the damage he's done to the midcard! Every single person he's beat is worth off than they were! Rollins obviously hasn't lit the world on fire, so screw it. Give Cena the belt and let him job Orton and Sheamus for awhile.

So...no mention of Kane? Whatever.

So the UT reason for return is...Brock kept talking about how he beat him? Whiner.

Who in the world gave Brie Bella that much offense--and decided she could run off the ropes and knock down Charlotte? She's a toothpick. And...wow, is the talent difference amazing.

At least the heels not getting along made sense. They're all jerks. Although they are having KO run away way too much. Nexus level just about.

Why is Dean Ambrose being wasted on this trival when--oh, yeah only old part timers can get ratings.

I used to say "Titus is the best hot tag" in the company now--but after having seen PTP on a regular basis...it's all the same!!

And what was the logic in taking the belts of New Day? They're mega over so let's job the heck out of them@

I'm so sick of Wyatt.

And Reigns is getting on my flippin' nerves too. Bray threatened you daughter and Harper cost you a match--GET MADE AND RUN IN AND HIT THEM! Especially at the end when Reigns and Ambrose knock the two Duck Dynasty rejects out of the ring--why not go out there and keep fighting since you hate their guts!?! Austin would beat someone up until they left ringside and cost Roddy Piper his podcast and legends contract!

Poor Miz. He was so close to being over at one point.

Sheamus should never have turned heel. I miss the music. And honestly, I don't think it really matters who turns face or heel. The booking is so bad, you'll be just as bland as before. I actually forgot he won MitB and went "oh yeah" when I saw him with the briefcase.

Lana is kind of like a shorter Miss Hancock.

Man does the UT sound old.

Oh, and during the big pull apart brawl I got bored and checked my online guide and--TMNT 2003 series is on NickToons!! One time I'm glad the WWE bored me. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on July 21, 2015, 01:54:02 PM
"I'll kill you!"

"Your gonna have too!"

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on July 21, 2015, 02:51:16 PM
Sting comes in to rob Taker of his victory over Brock.

The dream match is born and Brock is free to go on a rampage until he gets a title shot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 22, 2015, 01:57:15 AM
I'm so sick of Wyatt.
LOL- remember when some people here were all "he's a better mic worker than Foley", and even FOLEY was singing the guy's praises. Now, 800 identical promos later, it's like everybody gets it.

Quote
And Reigns is getting on my flippin' nerves too.
LANGUAGE, Propeus!!

But yeah- incompetent booking all-around, and anyone caught getting remotely over gets punished and de-pushed because Vince is insane- The New Day has been jobbed out, and they only had Wade Barrett win the King of the Ring so he'd be forced to change his nickname, because it was getting too over.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on July 22, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
I'm so sick of Wyatt.
LOL- remember when some people here were all "he's a better mic worker than Foley", and even FOLEY was singing the guy's praises. Now, 800 identical promos later, it's like everybody gets it.


Not exactly Bray Wyatt's fault that the WWE has literally nailed him onto one spot, and won't allow him to really do anything.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 22, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
Wyatt's promos are repetitive nonsense, but 90% of his problems are that creative has trained us to think that he's unimportant. He wanders from aimless feud to aimless feud, so why should I care what he does? He has no end game; he just fights someone for no real gain until he stops and then randomly attacks someone else to start his next feud.

So, in other words, Kevin Owens' future.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 22, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
You know, it wasn't long ago when they were playing up the fact that Wyatt was brainwashing kids, and they even got that fucked up looking kid with the crazy eyes to stare at Cena to keep him in the Cage.


Why not have Wyatt "convert" Reigns' daughter?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 23, 2015, 04:02:55 AM
"Daddy- you're a washed up Samoan Never-Was! I worship the Wyatt!"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on July 24, 2015, 04:42:15 AM
Well, at least Rusev isn't the most unjustly shitted upon person on the roster now.

Poor, poor Kevin Owens though...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 24, 2015, 04:33:45 PM
Owens needs to fucking tan properly. A FARMER TAN? On a PRO WRESTLER?? Just embarrassing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 24, 2015, 04:42:36 PM
Honestly the way the E abuses new talent, they are all better either staying in Nxt or just interacting with each other on the main roster.

When Cena, Lesnar, The Authority, or 'Taker interact with any of them, they end up shat on. Orton is the only established guy that does not piss on the newer people.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 24, 2015, 04:44:42 PM
Honestly the way the E abuses new talent, they are all better either staying in Nxt or just interacting with each other on the main roster.

When Cena, Lesnar, The Authority, or 'Taker interact with any of them, they end up shat on. Orton is the only established guy that does not piss on the newer people.

Yeah, I wish they'd expand NXT just a touch and leave its talent alone. There is no reason to call anybody up anymore because they are just turned into jokes or non-factors.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on July 25, 2015, 02:40:05 AM
Owens needs to fucking tan properly. A FARMER TAN? On a PRO WRESTLER?? Just embarrassing.
Haha, i thought the same thing today!
That look is ridiculously-Canadian, but fuck me- it's SUMMER, Owens!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 28, 2015, 05:24:57 PM
can we get a gif of the New Day skipping to ringside with the Mega Dad sign in here?

We all need to see that shit
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 28, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Alicia Fox has a concussion...which doesn't surprise me one bit because she was out of position on everything! Even an armbar! If I had to guess, it would be from the T-bone Suplex

Sasha Banks is amazing. She's easily the best female wrestler on the roster.

The WWE needs to put the belt on Charlotte or Sasha if they are serious about this "Diva Revolution". The talent gap between the Nikki and the three new divas is insane. And it showed. The crowd reacts to the NXT girls but Bella and Fox...crickets. Because the talent gap is that bad. This almost reminds me of Brie vs. Stephanie. All Brie had to do was be decent and she's a star--but she was horrible and everyone rooted for Stephanie! Only this is much worse. I actually think the WWE does want this to work because...two divas matches? Wow. But they need to understand the Bellas can't carry this. Heck, the ratings alone prove that!

Has there ever been a less interesting MitB winner than Sheamus? I like the guy--but he came back as someone who hates smaller wrestlers. And they took away his awesome theme music.

SHUT UP BRAY WYATT!!! And this is a prime example of what is why the fans do not get behind Roman Reigns. Wyatt threatens the guy's daughter, cost him MitB, had his loser friend help beat him on a PPV and there he is--for the first time in the wide open and--nothing. Reigns isn't there. If that was Austin or the Rock, that promo ends, they come down and kick the heck out of those Duck Dynasty rejects!

Word is that Adam Rose will be repackaged as Leo Kruger and join the Wyatts. Yay. I swear, the Adam Rose character should have been so much fun but they screwed it up beyond repair. But then again, I can say the same about countless others.

Stardust vs the guy who does the Red Arrow is still going. And that's what Neville has become. And Stardust looks to be soon to feud with the guy who stars on Green Arrow because Warner Bros wouldn't let them make a Batman series.

If there is one positive thing to take about how the WWE bungled the Lana/Rusev split...is how surprisingly good Rusev is on the mic! He threw the fish at her! Rusev is awesome! Why couldn't we have had this sort of stuff earlier!?

Titus O'Neil sticking it to JBL on commentary is great. JBL hasn't taken such a beating since Joey Styles!

Dean Ambrose loses to the Big Show by countout...and then the Big Show is stupid and runs though a guardrail. I swear, I really want Dean Ambrose to be my favorite wrestler but the WWE does everything in there power to make sure that does not happen. I don't care if Big Show is in feud with Ryback--MAKE AMBROSE A STAR AND RYBACK CAN EAT THE LEFT OVERS!!

No Bellas on commentary...thank you for small miracles.

Seth Rollins...if the low ratings haven't done you in, breaking Cena's nose will! Which I don't mind. He's just a second rate Edge anyway. Why is he a second rate Edge? Because when Edge was with Vickie, she had the power, but you knew he was in charge! Seth is just...well, he's the Honky Tonk Man. Wins through crooked means and keeps the belt a long time.

Hey, Kevin Owens didn't run from a match. Improvement.

Darn you El Rey Network! Stop with all those commercials for Ultra Lucha! Don't you think I'd rather watch that. And it looks so awesome with Drago and the Disciples of Death with way awesome skull masks...THERE MUST BE A SEASON TWO!!!

Can we start RAW, I dunno...a match?

Multi-tag match at Summerslam? Yep.

Sad news: Because of Hulk Hogan...to cut him from the new Scooby Doo WrestleMania Movie, we'll have to lose Dusty Rhodes, too.


Hm. A storyline in Total Divas tonight will involve Nikki learning Daniel Bryan doesn't like her. Of course not, he's an idiot. Heck, he needs to bring out the white board ala Ricky and Morty style to explain why.

Seth tapped to Cena...wait, I thought Seth wins the first match and loses the next ever.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 28, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
I missed Raw last night and don't feel like I missed anything.

The E is just too tedious to bother investing in these days. If Hogan were not a moron, he probably would have had a match next 'Mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 28, 2015, 07:41:36 PM
A good review prop. But you should have mentioned how good Summer is on the mic compared to the other divas. It sounds so natural when she talks, not like shes acting forced like the retard bellas.  Also her doing lana cosplay makes her even hotter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on August 10, 2015, 10:49:22 PM
So the guy who plays Arrow is going to have a match with Stardust at Summerslam.  Cody's father is barely cold and the WWE still treat him like a joke.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 17, 2015, 08:26:54 PM
wait so naomi Team Bella now

Why
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on August 24, 2015, 08:38:57 PM
So the Dudleys are back?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on August 24, 2015, 11:33:22 PM
I'm sorry I had to swerve you guys with the Sting costing Underatker angle but the WWE may have caught on if I revealed my booking for tonight.

You're welcome!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on August 25, 2015, 08:21:39 AM
They wouldn't put the belt on Sting, would they?

...Would they?!


Hey, I just realized, this will be, what, 4 or 5 PPV shows in a row WITHOUT a repeat world title matchup?

Seth vs Sting
Seth vs Cena
Seth vs. Brock
Seth vs. Dean
(What was befor Seth vs Dean? Was it the 4-way match with Seth, Dean, Roman, and Randy?)

Damn. Good job, WWE! I'd really fallen into thinking every matchup had to take play 4 times in 4 different kinds of matches before it was "done".
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on August 25, 2015, 12:49:55 PM
They wouldn't put the belt on Sting, would they?

...Would they?!

Do you want me to tell you what I've booked for the match?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on August 25, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
I just saw on youtube that the Wyatt Family has a new member?
I'm pleased with that. Wyatt family consisting of huge monsters makes them a true threat (of course it's WWE, where they won't ever be allowed to actually do something impactful).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 31, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
like that sting took the time to say how awesome triple H is.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on September 01, 2015, 12:31:26 AM
like that sting took the time to say how awesome triple H is.

This guarantees that Sting will win the belt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on September 01, 2015, 12:38:40 AM
I just saw on youtube that the Wyatt Family has a new member?
I'm pleased with that. Wyatt family consisting of huge monsters makes them a true threat (of course it's WWE, where they won't ever be allowed to actually do something impactful).
yep, a new member and he manages to look more like Bruiser Brody then Luke Harper does; which is an accomplishment in on itself
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on September 01, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
The most tragic part about Brody's murder is his last words regarding his son.

Whever I see these guys I wonder what his son looks like today.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BigJayStudd on September 01, 2015, 01:44:38 AM
The most tragic part about Brody's murder is his last words regarding his son.

Whever I see these guys I wonder what his son looks like today.

What were they?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on September 01, 2015, 06:20:40 AM
The most tragic part about Brody's murder is his last words regarding his son.

Whever I see these guys I wonder what his son looks like today.

What were they?

"Tell my son that I love him"

Tony Atlas tells the story of the entire outrageous murder and the aftermath. It is even worse than the legends that have surrounded it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on September 01, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
Despite knowing a little about him I somehow only learned of how he died  a week ago and the story is both infuriating and sad.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on September 02, 2015, 08:11:26 AM
The most tragic part about Brody's murder is his last words regarding his son.

Whever I see these guys I wonder what his son looks like today.
Luke Harper.

I invision that and yet I remember seeing both Big John Studd's and Terry Gordy's son and they looked nothing like their fathers. They were small by even average standards much less that of a pro wrestler.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 03, 2015, 08:29:45 PM
Why are the New Day fighting Ambrose and Reigns tonight?  Why is Stardust teaming with the Ascension?  Why is it impossible to believe the WWE has an entire team of writers when this is the mindless shit that ends up on the program?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on September 14, 2015, 11:57:05 PM
Sasha Banks has a deliciously smooth tight little body and perky butt.

All that and a personality too? I'm there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 21, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
Paige gave a great verbal beat down to everyone, especially the Bellas tonight.  Was fantastic.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 21, 2015, 09:18:27 PM
Jesus fucking Christ, Brie.  Way to tap out of the Figure-8 with a god damn smile on your face.  You really sold that well.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 21, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
Ok, if they play this up as Kane having two personalities, this has a lot of potential.  It's been pretty funny so far.  Happy Kane is funny Kane.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 22, 2015, 02:58:33 AM
Yeah, it's nice to see Kane actually get to be entertaining.

Sorry Cesaro, but we gotta feed Big Show so he can be fed to Brock.

Sure we could have just done some three on one local guy match or just used guys like Ryder or Fandango...but you were getting over and we can't have that.


Oh--up yours Cena. Seriously. That finish just peeved me off. You get hit with a frog spash and then...you just lift Rollins up and Attitude Adjust him for the win. Man, and people would complain about the Hulk Up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on September 22, 2015, 08:29:17 AM
I didn't watch Raw, but I read the recap on 411, and the Kane thing sounds great. I was hoping it translated well to TV, and I'm glad to hear it did. At least it's entrertaining.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 22, 2015, 12:57:38 PM
And that's what I've been saying. We could had fun Kane instead of boring corporate Kane the last...what two or three years.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 23, 2015, 02:03:06 AM
Yeah, I can watch it on Wednesday. That's normally when I watch RAW now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on September 28, 2015, 11:35:48 PM
I'm starting to really dislike Seth Rollins. Or rather, they way they have booked him. He comes off as really weak and unredeeming. But not in an entertaining way. I don't even want to see him lose the belt in a squash match, I just want to see him go.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 29, 2015, 08:37:53 AM
I just think he's boring. But that goes for most of the WWE so whatever.

And just skipped ahead after checking the recap I read--okay, stupid smart WWE recappers, I know you don't like Kane--but that was pretty cool with the ambulance. And he didn't no sell the ankle injury. He came out hurt and stomped his freakin' foot and set it back in place, which was cool.

...And from what I've rewound past, barring New Day--yeah, I'll get to the rest whenever.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: YTbRayCiss on September 29, 2015, 09:17:23 AM
Seth has ran his title run into the ground, same with the Authority angle.  What is the point of having the evil Authority if they never lose? 

Slap the title on Rusev and make him a real threat again.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on September 29, 2015, 10:01:50 AM
I want a heel champion who isn't afraid of a fight.  But just does whatever to win the match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: YTbRayCiss on September 29, 2015, 10:24:50 AM
I want a heel champion who isn't afraid of a fight.  But just does whatever to win the match.

That sounds like what Rusev used to be. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: JookDukem on September 29, 2015, 11:27:54 AM
Loving how Kane straight shape-shifts on niggas now. Monster Kane is almost as cash as Kurt Angle.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 29, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Seth has ran his title run into the ground, same with the Authority angle.  What is the point of having the evil Authority if they never lose? 

Slap the title on Rusev and make him a real threat again.

And that's the main problem with the Authority. Say what you will about Vince and what he did, he always took what he dished out and got karma retribution in the end. Triple H...I can count on one hand how many times a good guy was able to legitimately out think or hurt him.

1. Big Show punching him out
2. Survivor Series Match (which was late undone, but I'll still count it)
3. Yes Movement hijacks RAW
4. Daniel Bryan beats him at WM
5. Daniel Bryan wins belt at WM

Seriously, that's all I can think of--and the last one got messed up by the Authority storyline too! I mean, you have Sting come out and tell us how great and awesome Triple H is...and even shake his hand after Triple H beats him at WM...GARBAGE! This is how Triple H has always been, he always goes "well the longer we wait for my character to get his, the more over the good guy will be." and surprise surprise it never happens!

And heck now Big Show is not in the Authority because...I don't know. J&J have been written out, Kane's turned--it's just Rollins, Steph, and Triple H.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on September 29, 2015, 06:07:43 PM
complete with sound effect. loved it. dunno why the IWC doesn't. If it was HUSTLE or something they'd spooge
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on September 29, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
*Goes to watch RAW for the first time in months.*

Watches Big Show defeat Cesaro handily, within minutes.






... YUP, that's it! Not watching RAW one more time until I get a notarized copy of Paul White's obituary!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on September 29, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
Wight


my friend and I were joking about how he was 'The Big Nasty' Paul Wight all day. We'd give him new nicknames.

My favorite was 'The Omnipresent Homosexual' Paul Wight
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on September 30, 2015, 12:38:59 AM
That's a weird spelling. Is he a D&D Monster? Can you use Turn Undead on him?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on September 30, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
No but Disco Inferno beat him by throwing a Phoenix Down at him
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 30, 2015, 03:16:18 AM
complete with sound effect. loved it. dunno why the IWC doesn't. If it was HUSTLE or something they'd spooge

Because "He big, he no wrestle." And that's what I hate. I haven't liked Kane's character because--hell it was boring. And is he what he was in the ring before--no, but he can still be good and he can still be entertaining. Hell, he's been more entertaining in the last two weeks then Seth Rollins has in the past four months.

Another example is Big Show. I hate his character now because "ARGHH ME BIG SHOW! ME PUNCH YOU FOR ME ANGRY." As a babyface he was awesome--tell me that the segment with him being forced to knock out Dusty Rhodes was not captivating and some of the best acting you'll find in RAW's history. And I'll be honest, at the start of the heel turn it had potential with his "You would have done it if  you were me" logic when he turned on Team Cena at SS...but the creative staff ruined that fast enough.



Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on September 30, 2015, 05:16:42 AM
I haven't watched Raw or Smackdown in months, but this Kane angle seems fun as hell. I don't know why people are so down on it (other than that it is a rip-off of an old TNA angle, but seriously... 1) who watches TNA? and 2) That character was already a rip-off of Kane to begin with, so....)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on September 30, 2015, 05:53:01 PM
like Stroud said, I'm kinda hoping Rollins has to go to the dentist and Isaac Yankem's in there.

just go full out with it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on September 30, 2015, 10:18:22 PM
I haven't been watching. Give me a rundown on the Kane stuff
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on October 01, 2015, 11:28:05 AM
Who's down on it?
Havent read anything overly negative.

A lot of the comments I've read at 411, for instance, have not been very positive. It's not like I've read a lot of "I HATE THIS", but people can't get past "KANE SHOULDN'T BE RELEVANT IN THE MAIN EVENT SCENE IN 2015!" to look at how entertaining it has actually been.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 09, 2015, 09:58:49 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1d317c17e59a38e36e91e0863517b25f/tumblr_neysv2RbEC1tfdt9co1_500.png)

I'll leave this here since we don's have a thread for homoerotic wrestling pics for some odd reason.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 10, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Who are they?
Albert/Tensai and Finn Balor
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on October 16, 2015, 11:50:27 AM
Brie shrieking "We want Sasha" was cring-worthy as fudge!  Why is she being booked like this?!  "The Boss" CANNOT be booked as a lackey to inferior workers.  This is ruinous to her character.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 16, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
She's the leader of her group...I think. With the booking it can kind of change.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on October 26, 2015, 09:16:16 PM
why would anyone work with paige at this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on October 26, 2015, 10:06:20 PM
Happened to turn it on wrestling when did the sheep mask guy rejoin the wyatts?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on October 26, 2015, 11:50:52 PM
Great RAW!

A shocking approach to allow the wrestlers to actually wrestle as a way to promote the show.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 27, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
Mexamerica! HA HA HA I love it!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on October 27, 2015, 10:43:33 AM
For those hating on Owens, look at how over the crowd was for him and Reigns. The crowd was fully behind Roman which never happens.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on October 27, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
If Reigns doesn't get the belt now this entire post Mania push has been for nothing.

The crowd is ready and Rollins needs to chase to alter his persona.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 27, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
That and he's boring. There. I said. I don't take it back! Bad booking or not, I've been bored to tears since he's been champ.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on October 27, 2015, 04:26:42 PM
That and he's boring. There. I said. I don't take it back! Bad booking or not, I've been bored to tears since he's been champ.
Terrible booking for many, many months has killed all love I had for Seth Rollins. This'll be tough to recover from, sadly.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
Well, I think the idea is that he's going to turn--but why should I support him? Sure, for some reason the Authority likes to torment him, but he's still a whiny, lying, cheating sack of garbage with no real redeemable qualities.

And I will say this is the best RAW I've seen in about a month. The only thing I really didn't like was The Wyatts because...well, I'm just sick of them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2015, 02:48:17 AM
Um, Survivor Series is all about celebrating twenty-five years of UT and he just lost at HitC...I have my doubts. :)

That and--wow, does that new big guy need to go back to NXT real bad. I mean, I know Vince fell in love, but I think another year would be a good idea--although his scary/funny faces do make me laugh. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on November 03, 2015, 01:40:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC2qFI9A-9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC2qFI9A-9E)

Bray Wyatt now has Undertakers and Kane's powers. Maybe he can go over Cena now?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Thorne on November 03, 2015, 06:43:16 AM
I'm really liking the purple lightning bolts.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2015, 07:29:35 AM
Yeah, I started to listen and--then I just went back to MNF.

And you're right about his promos being boring, I can't honest think of--oh wait, there's Alberto Del Rio. And what's up with that stupid new finisher? But I do appreciate Jack Swagger wondering WTF is going on. I mean, it really didn't answer why the super right wing guy wants to hang with the Mexican guy who thwarted his plans years earlier, but whatever at this point.

And please don't tell me I have to see boy Ryback and Dean Ambrose job to that fat, overhyped Kevin Owens! But at least Ambrose didn't get eliminated last night and got the biggest cheers--oh wait that's probably why he's going to job. I honestly don't have a problem with Reigns sans how the WWE books him, but there are others who the fans like more who they want to see given a chance before him and that only makes them madder when they are refused. Oh, and speaking of...

And darn it fans--stop bringing out those Cesaro signs they're just going job him out worse!!! Don't you understand he does not connect with you at all?!!

Lucha Dragons got a big win which is nice. Y'know the WWE actually has a nice tag division with the Dudley, New Day, Usos, LD and a some other teams.


Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2015, 11:28:25 AM
I SAY "OOO" YOU SAY SO!"

OOOO
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
OOO
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on November 04, 2015, 12:37:28 AM
NO!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Thorne on November 04, 2015, 10:08:58 AM
Michael Cole says USO Crazy one more time I'm unpacking the sniper rifle.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 10, 2015, 07:26:52 AM
Having seen the brackets beforehand, my first impression was I would be almost shocked if the final four was anything but Reigns vs Del Rio and Owens vs Ambrose. Probably with a Roman vs Dean final.

Breeze had a pretty nice debut. I could see him being cool for a while. Till he gets ruined like every other person not named Cena, Lesnar, or Undertaker.

Cole is an idiot and does not know the difference between Naomi and Natalya.

Nice to see Becky finally win, yet Paige get to keep her heat.

Cesaro winning was a pleasant surprise. Not that it will mean anything in the long run. Going over him will be tougher on Roman than going over Sheamus would have been.

The Wyatt family looked like so much trash.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 16, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
Having seen the brackets beforehand, my first impression was I would be almost shocked if the final four was anything but Reigns vs Del Rio and Owens vs Ambrose. Probably with a Roman vs Dean final.


I don't think they'll do Reign vs Dean unless they turn Dean heel.  Probably be Owen.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on November 17, 2015, 12:11:46 AM
I'd rather see Ambrose than Owens.
Bore-man Reigns would get shitted on too hard by the fans for going over Ambrose. Him beating Cesaro will be bad enough.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 17, 2015, 12:44:50 AM
I'd rather see Ambrose than Owens.

Me too

Owens has only been in the fed a half year and already has the IC title. He can hold.

I do wonder about reaction to Reigns. But SS is taking place in Georgia. I also would expect shenanigans if it comes down to Roman vs Dean.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on November 17, 2015, 08:22:49 AM
I watch really sporadically now, has Reigns been improving at all on the mic? He's got the look, if he's been showing improvement in the ring and on the mic I might support him for a push since Rollins is out of the picture now.  Last Wrestlemania was wrong and way too soon, but he took that utter stomp by Lesnar and subsequent fall from grace with a good attitude, so if he's made strides then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

That said, if he hasn't improved at all then he should just be dropped after the time and opportunity he's now had. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on November 17, 2015, 09:59:07 AM
I watch really sporadically now, has Reigns been improving at all on the mic? He's got the look, if he's been showing improvement in the ring and on the mic I might support him for a push since Rollins is out of the picture now.  Last Wrestlemania was wrong and way too soon, but he took that utter stomp by Lesnar and subsequent fall from grace with a good attitude, so if he's made strides then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

That said, if he hasn't improved at all then he should just be dropped after the time and opportunity he's now had.
His promos have stayed the same or gotton lamer.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2015, 11:40:13 AM
He's not as bad as everyone says--it's really more of the scripts he's been given. Honestly he should be a few short lines and then superman punching and spearing people to oblivion.

And I want Ambrose in the finales--actually both Reigns and Ambrose beatiing the secondary title holders would be a great way to show they are in the upper card and worthy to win the title.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on November 17, 2015, 02:58:09 PM
He's not as bad as everyone says--it's really more of the scripts he's been given. Honestly he should be a few short lines and then superman punching and spearing people to oblivion.


Maybe he should hang with Stardust to learn how to turn shit the WWE gives you to gold.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2015, 10:06:14 PM
Um, kinda random but...am I the only one who thinks Del Rio's new finisher is extremely stupid?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 23, 2015, 08:03:45 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Wyatt needs to turn face just...for a chance to succeed. I mean, it wouldn't be hard. Have Harper point out his failings and have the family turn on him. Make him an anti-hero.

I mean, why not try it? No one will be watching in the next few weeks now anyway.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on November 23, 2015, 11:47:23 PM
New Day should be WHCs and freebird the belt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on November 24, 2015, 06:46:14 AM
Someone elsewhere suggested New Day freebirding it a couple of months ago and I was tepid toward it. In retrospect though he was right. That would be a much better idea than the shit they are serving out these days.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on November 24, 2015, 09:50:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/s2hzgz1.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on December 01, 2015, 12:11:02 AM
League of Nations could be a great stable if every single person on it wasnt a jobber outsideof ADR
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on December 01, 2015, 12:29:54 AM
Jobber meat for Reigns
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2015, 10:36:19 AM
Hm, so all the female wrestlers are evil, except Becky Lynch, who is just extremely stupid. DIVA REVOLUTION!!

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 01, 2015, 11:54:05 PM
Jobber meat for Reigns

Yep

Roman overcame the odds against that whole heel faction on the Smackdown tapings tonight.

He won a four on one handicap match. Albeit via countout.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 03, 2015, 07:26:33 PM
And then Vince reportedly wonders why two thirds of the fans root against or are cool toward top faces. Less than a week in and Roman has already beaten all four of the heels who oppose him.

They have no credibility and just what is he overcoming at this point? Basically, a bunch of losers.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2015, 02:21:06 PM
Yeah, but shouldn't Sheamus be angry with the New Day for leaving him alone at Survivor Series?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on December 14, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
Great RAW!

Great booking!

FINALLY!!!

I was so jaded that while enjoying the match I awaited the standard DQ finish with Reigns being swarmed.

That didn't happen.

We had a LEGIT classic moment on RAW and that hasn't taken place in years.

If you weren't cheering for Reigns tonight something is wrong.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on December 15, 2015, 12:19:23 AM
Roman Reigns' gimmick is talking about mens nuts, right? Nevermind the fact that Cena did the grapefruit/prune comparison 4 years ago  :-\

Lesnar is winning the Rumble so we can get a re-do pf the last 'Mania main event. Clearly.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 15, 2015, 01:33:27 AM
Read the recap of Raw. So happy I don't watch that show anymore. I don't mind Reigns winning, but the recap makes it sound like the "progress" that he made at TLC was all undone, and he was right back to being a smug idiot making "you have tiny balls!" jokes. God, his character is fucking terrible. He's like the shittiest possible version of John Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 15, 2015, 08:46:24 AM
You know they are trying as hard as they can when they dragged Mr. MAC MAYON out of the back to try to built up Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on December 15, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Viewership took a huge jump this week. More than 20% over last.

Expect the basic formula to stay the same after that. I suspect the way TLC ended actually got people interested in seeing how things would go down on Raw. Announcing Vince and then delivering plus having the major title change on "free" tv probably did not hurt either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on December 18, 2015, 12:29:17 PM
"Oh bloody hell, it's Nexus all over again" - Barrett, right before getting 1-shotted by Cena.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 19, 2015, 03:13:25 AM
How come Roman Reigns superman punching people isn't a meme yet?

And...I liked RAW and I didn't. I wish Roman Reigns had speared Stephanie. And while I hated Vince kicking Reigns in the nuts, I did like he got his comeuppance with Reigns superman punching his head off.

See, Hunter? It's that easy, you don't have to wait...a year or two before the face gets his revenge.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 22, 2015, 12:57:57 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Kevin Owens finisher is stupid. I mean, we all talk about Del Rio's double stomp...but why the heck is everyone jumping at Owens so he can powerbomb them?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on December 22, 2015, 07:31:54 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Kevin Owens finisher is stupid. I mean, we all talk about Del Rio's double stomp...but why the heck is everyone jumping at Owens so he can powerbomb them?
Dear God... he's mastered Billy Kidman's superpower: The ability to force people to try a move they've never done before, so that you can reverse it! He must be stopped- that kind of power in a Sub-Main Eventer is terrifying.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 22, 2015, 05:31:52 PM
There's a difference between trying a move you've never done before and get slinged across the ropes and then jumping to Owens arms so you do more than half of he work involved in the powerbomb for him.

I mean, it's not as bad as Del Rio's top rope double stomp, but it's still dumb.

And while I'm thinking of it...poor Neville. He has to look like a wimp when Owens makes him leave when getting his award and then jobs out later that night. And now will probably be in an angle with the Miz.

And Nikki Bella winning--bwwaaahhaaa. Okay, that was rigged. Unless all the NXT diva votes canceled each other out. Plus love how no one cheered or anything for her. Yep. Diva of the year.

And am I the only one who hopes the Lucha Dragons win the tag belts tonight? I mean, I like New Day but it'd be nice for the Dragons to get a title run.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
Yeah SD Sin Cara was amazing. I love him just doing these random poses and John Cena being able to understand him perfectly and translating.

Oh, and you should give Scooby Doo Meets Kiss a look. It was really great. My little cousins loved it.

But no Frankencreepy. They looked at me like they hated me after watching that pile of garbage. What does it say about your movie when an eight year old and six year old go over what would have been funnier to do...and they're right!? :)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Oh, and I want to give Roman Reigns some credit. He's stuck up for his friends and helped them when they were being outnumbered. That puts him one up on John Cena a.k.a. the worst friend you could ever have.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on December 29, 2015, 07:31:48 AM
Sooo, what was the point of that Vince segment?
Offensive Samoan put downs, hokey police involvement, subpar acting from Vince and Steph. Roman just sort of faded into the background after a bit, and it was for the best.
Then it just kept going throughout the show.. For a Sheamus match next week.  :-\

The point was to give Reigns his moment on the final RAW of the year while simultaneously allowing Cena to dominate the bulk of the night. Having Reigns come back and crush the LON at the end was the perfect setup for next week with Vince as the ref.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
What would have been better if they had Reigns prepare for this (since McMahon was announced to return) and have the video trucks so off The McMahons faking various injuries and even fake cops. That way he would have looked smart and not just the lucky babyface to meet competent police officers.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 02, 2016, 06:53:19 PM
Well, then he'd be arrested and we wouldn't have seen that awesome spear on Rusev.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 03, 2016, 06:10:45 AM
I wrote that whole thing off as trying to make the police look good. Really when have the police ever been anything other than voiceless henchmen on raw
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Thorne on January 03, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Another cop shooting, oh shit we better get WWE to run a good cop angle.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2016, 06:10:36 PM
NAILZ WAS INNOCENT!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 05, 2016, 11:42:22 AM
So.... the Rumble winner is going to be champ? Who gets the Wrestlemania shot then? I assume Reigns might lose the Rumble and then get the title shot at Mania? Ugggghhhhh.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Thorne on January 05, 2016, 12:54:13 PM
Ugggghhhhh.

The standard response of all WWE fans everywhere.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 05, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
What we need, no, demand, in 2016 is months of lesnar as champ, no showing the belt on Raw.

Fuck that shit.  And what was up with Vince being in the ring and calling for someone else to do the 3 count?  WTF seems like a fuck up on his part.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on January 05, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
How is Vince not dead from all those roids?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 05, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
How is Vince not dead from all those roids?

The illicit drug use component was never present along with having the best medical care in the world.

The comeback he made from having his hamstrings TEAR OFF THE BONE on both legs is incredible.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 06, 2016, 03:32:33 AM
I'll give McMahon this, he's doing everything he can to get Reigns over. Because if Triple H was around, Reigns would constantly be outsmarted and be left lying as we wait for the moment for the good guy to triumph...that never happens.

And I'm kind of hoping Reigns wins the Rumble and the McMahon's decide that at WM, Reigns has to face BRRAAWWKK Lesnar. A monster vs monster type deal.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 06, 2016, 06:59:40 AM
Has WWE ever been so stale that they copied the previous WrestleMania's main event the very next year? I mean, I know Rock fought Austin 3 times, but they were on off-years. Not sequential. Also, they're fucking ROCK and AUSTIN.


The Rumble is retardedly easy to predict this year. It comes down to Reigns and someone else, who will most likely be HHH, but may also be Lesnar. Reigns gets screwed out of the title. Reigns gets revenge at 'Mania.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 06, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
How is Vince not dead from all those roids?
Vince will die bumping in the ring before Kurt Angle, mark my words.

and the part Reigns plays in the Rumble will be the role everyone wanted Bryan to have for two Rumbles in a row which is the most infuriating part.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 07, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
U would think all these injuries would teach the WWE to stop.putting all there eggs in one basket but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 07, 2016, 09:50:20 PM
Did you guys hear Cena was injured?
Rotator cuff surgery tomorrow.

This is going to put Reigns' fate in a different light. He and Ambrose are really the last viable baby faces on the roster, as i dont count Ziggler (he sucks) or lesnar (he's a tweener at best).

Ziggler is the answer, grasshopper.

Given their idiocy the WWE managed to kill off the inferno of heat surrounding Ziggler after his destruction of the Authority. That notwithstanding, the potential is there for him to rise again.

Push Reigns as the arrogant Shield member that actually had the crowd behind him gone overboard. Ziggler comes in as the underdog/people's champ and demands a showdown. I wouldn't mind Ziggler actually getting a custom belt to push this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 08, 2016, 07:18:01 AM
I'm a big fan of how Tyler Breeze was "moved up" to the main roster, but isn't even on Raw or Smackdown. I hope he got a fat raise, at least.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 08, 2016, 01:39:36 PM
Wrestlers I'd push.

Calisto. The high flying masked luchador has impressed in his single matches. The WWE is looking for a star to appeal to the mexican fans...and it sure as heck isn't Del Rio. Plus Lucha Underground is coming back soon so why not steal a bit of their steam?

Ryback: Da Big Guy. He's what the WWE loves in their hosses, he's really improved since he's come back, and he knows how to get the fans involved in his matches.

Damien Sandow: Remember when he was super over and then the WWE had the Big Slow win the WM battle royal and then had the Miz win their feud. Well before that he was getting super over. I'd like to believe that something can be salvaged.


Wrestlers that the WWE will push.

Bauman: That's right. Bearded baby head. I know he's horrible, and he makes the most stupid faces...but Vince likes his big hick muscular hosses. And just look. Who in the Wyatt family is looking the best in the last few months? Who is looking like the threat and real star. Ain't Bray Wyatt.

I'm guessing, eventually, the Wyatts will turn on him and thus begins the massive over push with horrible matches. Hell, maybe by the Rumble.

It will happen eventually. And it will be horrible.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on January 08, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
I still can't believe they brought Del Rio back. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 08, 2016, 02:27:08 PM
I still can't believe they brought Del Rio back.

I truly think the only reason they did it was to take away from Lucha Underground.  The same reason they created the Lucha Dragons.


Also why when it was on, they made it a point to say that RAW had more viewers than anything on all the networks they usually mention, along with El Rey.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 08, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
I think the product structure should look something like

Men

Main Event -  Lesnar, Bryan(if healthy), Cena, Owens, Orton(if healthy), Rollins

Upper Midcard - Bray*, Cesaro, Ambrose*, Harper, Miz, Reigns*, Rusev*, Shinsuke Nakamura*, AJ Styles

Midcard - ADR, Big E*, Sandow, Ziggler, Swagger, Barrett, Kingston, Kallisto, Sheamus, Cody Rhodes*, Titus, Breeze, Woods, Ryback

Lower Midcard - Rowan, Fandango, Truth, Slater, Neville

Jobbers - Rose, Dallas, Axel

Retired - Kane, Big Show, Henry, Undertaker

Fired - Strowman, Darren Young, Konnor, Viktor   


Women

Main - Paige, Sasha

Upper - Becky*, Nikki, Summer Rae, Emma and Dana (keep them together), Bayley(when she arrives)

Lower - Alicia, Brie, Charlotte, Naomi, Nattie 

Jobbers or Fired - Cameron, Rosa, Tamina

* - Initial spot, with an eye on moving them up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 09, 2016, 05:56:54 PM
Not a fan of Charlotte?

And I don't think the WWE is going to let Daniels wrestle again so maybe move Ambrose up?

...Daniel Bryan in Lucha Underground? YES YES YES!!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 09, 2016, 06:09:18 PM
Not a fan of Charlotte?

Not really

I'm not impressed with her mic work and don't find her personality appealing. Her character is basically what, copy my Father?  The wooing and strutting has to stop.

She is basically Natalya with a more famous Dad and not quite as much ring ability. Becky and Bayley are better in the ring and more personable. Sasha is at least as good a worker and far more versatile.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Charlotte is easily the worst all-around of the Four Horsewomen. And the fact that WWE just has her being Ric Flair Jr has not helped at all. At least in NXT she was her own woman and didn't trade entirely on the Flair name.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2016, 10:10:01 AM
So the Social Outcasts are faces?

And how sad is it that I'm way more interested in them than the Wyatt Family.

And Bray Wyatt with his "anyone but you, Roman." Dude, he's been champ twice, you failed--again! Like you failed with turning Bryan, or turning Cena evil, or defeating the UT...twice! SHUT UP! Your heat will be given to Bauman soon enough.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Thorne on January 12, 2016, 10:49:50 AM
Unveil a new interesting stable, immediately wreck it by having the Big Guy interfere and make them look like goofs.

#WWEBooking
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 12, 2016, 01:12:00 PM
Havent really watvhed the latest Raw, though i saw Kalisto beat Del Rio which i liked.
The main event? Underwhelming.

That scared me with the RR right around the corner.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 12, 2016, 09:57:42 PM
That they took one belt away so he can get another.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 16, 2016, 09:15:17 AM
Yeah, what was the point of having Kalisto win if he gets jobbed the next match? And I mean that, that was an overlong squash match with Del Rio dominating...which meant the match was boring as heck.


Oh, and if anyone is wondering about Tyler Breeze. Triple H was super high on him and wanted to push him as a top midcard heel...but Vince has decided to have him lose, take away his long entrance, and take Summer Rae from him with no reason.

Look, I don't think he's that good, but you could at least give him a chance! Hell, Zack Ryder looked like he could have been something pretty special...sigh, until Vince ruined that, too.

And Zoolander two is coming out so it actually would have seemed like the WWE was up to date. Not thirty years behind the times. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 16, 2016, 12:57:15 PM

Oh, and if anyone is wondering about Tyler Breeze. Triple H was super high on him and wanted to push him as a top midcard heel...but Vince has decided to have him lose, take away his long entrance, and take Summer Rae from him with no reason.


Yeah Vince was for it at first but he's Vince so one day he woke up and decided he didn't want him pushed any longer.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 16, 2016, 04:39:07 PM
I knew Breeze was gonna get Fandango'ed.  I called it.

Of course, that's like saying the sun will rise the next day.  Vince is predictable.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 19, 2016, 01:03:41 AM
I wanna see Bray Wyatt as champion.  Then fuck with the Authority Ministry of Darkness style.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 19, 2016, 05:58:44 AM
Is it just me or does Del Rio sound more mexican than he used to?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2016, 08:54:17 AM
Bah, I wanted to see Reigns and Brock have a pull apart brawl...not the flippin' Wyatts standing strong! GO AWAY! YOU NO LONGER INTEREST ME!!

Especially since they'll push Bauman soon so everything they've done will be mute soon. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 19, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
How they fucked up Bray Wyatt is a thing of (horrible) beauty.
He could have been their next Taker.

Now he has zero credibility.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 19, 2016, 01:58:23 PM
I'm willing to give him another shot after last night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on January 20, 2016, 01:52:40 AM
So will this be worse than 2015? It can't. It just can't! It can't! .... Right?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 20, 2016, 04:06:17 AM
I hope. The Rumble used to be my favorite PPV before all the horrible booking.

...And just thinking wouldn't Vince want to put in as much star power as possible to make sure Reigns loses? Why are the Social Outcast or whatever in there when he could bring up Baylor and a few other NXT stars for the night?

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 20, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
Kinda like what Titus O' Neal did to Tyler Breeze, huh?

Vince: Dammit! Tyler Breeze ruined that spot!

Triple H: How-uh? Titus threw him-uh.

Vince: Tyler was too small!

(Vince looks over at Kallisto)

Vince: And that's my problem with YYYYYYOOOOUUU!!

Kalisto: ...

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on January 20, 2016, 01:47:37 PM
So triple h will most likely win the rumble. Are they actually expecting the crowd to boo him and cheer reigns? They're fucking mental
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on January 20, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
Is it just me or does Del Rio sound more mexican than he used to?

His current contract stipulates that he needs to operate at a certain level of Ethnic
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 21, 2016, 07:47:06 AM
Huh. So word is that Lesnar will either be facing Bray or Strowman at WrestleMania.

Yeah, I can imagine Strowman vs Lesnar. Lesnar just doing suplexes and Strowman...standing and making those funny faces.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on January 21, 2016, 01:41:31 PM
Not even a hyperbolic time-chamber would give Bray time to get his power-level up to Lesnar's
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 21, 2016, 02:20:19 PM
"Time to teach you the pecking order, maggots. 1st is The Wyatts, then the dirt, the worms inside the dirt, Lesnar's stool, Paul Heyman--"

'BRAWCK LESNAR!!!!"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on January 22, 2016, 01:04:29 AM
Nooooo, please don't book it so hhh wins the rumble/belt! It will happen, but nooooooooo.....
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on January 22, 2016, 02:39:07 AM
I get Smackdown is a B show now. Some of the pics almost look like a TNA show though. They tarped off half the arena. Which itself isn't huge. Not to mention this is the lead up to one of their biggest PPVs of the year.

http://wrestlechat.net/photo-smackdown-draws-awful-crowd-attendance-at-last-nights-tapings-in-dayton/

(http://s13.postimg.org/qom804fuv/CZH6r_K8_Us_AA_MX7.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 22, 2016, 04:38:49 AM
(https://whatistheexcel.com/wooobooru/_images/82c23a5997d27ad303b01f7c69d1bd9c/22626%20-%20Raw%20Roman_Reigns%20entrance%20macro%20stephanie_mcmahon%20vince_mcmahon%20wwe%20wwe_world_heavyweight_championship.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
Hey, if Triple H wasn't mourning Lemmy's death, Reigns would have been getting beatdown after beatdown and made a fool to build up to him defeating the bad guy...that would never come.

And say what you will, but Vince has let Reigns get the best of him more in four weeks than Triple H has done in about three years.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 22, 2016, 01:11:08 PM
I just want the Authority to go away.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2016, 02:17:06 PM
Well, the problem with Reigns as champion you could put in anyone in his place and nothing changes during mic time. I mean, he guy just doesn't stand out or jump at the screen. Hell, he has a great super smug face. Make that to really PO the McMahons!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 23, 2016, 10:17:29 AM
I like to think of it more as "not caring" but then I really don't care enough to think about it. So whatever. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 23, 2016, 08:28:37 PM
...I guess I do care after all...because the tears will not stop flowing!!!

 :'(

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on January 26, 2016, 05:40:14 AM
So, I watched the last RAW because of two people, AJ Styles and The Rock.
Aj really took a few hard bumps, and I'm pretty sure Jericho was working stiff here.

The Rock, as always, was awesome.
It also shows why the WWe needs to ease up and let their wrestlers do stuff like this. It really builds them up with the audience.

Also, the New Day is the most fun thing ever.
These guys are gold, GOLD, JERRY!

To my surprise, it seems Rusev really enjoys working with a group of people (the league), even though he'll probably end up jobbing a lot. He really seems to be a nice guy (IRL). I remember he was also playing video games on New Days channel.

Also, it was interesting to hear the crowd reaction to Roman Reigns.
Pretty much only girls screamed for him, and guys booed him.

Also, I so want to hatefuck Stephanie McMahon.
She's hot like hell.

Also, isn't the rule for the Heavyweight belt that you need to defend it once a month?
How come HHH can decide not to wrestle until Wrestlemania? That's decidedly more than 30 days.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 26, 2016, 06:59:09 AM
Lesnar didn't defend it for an entire year.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 26, 2016, 03:54:09 PM
Yeah that's why I hated him as champion he went month between defending it.  They should re institute the 30 day rule.  And how is Social Outcast anything other than 3MB with a added member. No point what so ever Social Jobbers indeed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Bandido on January 26, 2016, 09:08:36 PM
The Rock trolling those weird Uni-Corn guys made my week.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 26, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Yeah that's why I hated him as champion he went month between defending it.  They should re institute the 30 day rule.  And how is Social Outcast anything other than 3MB with a added member. No point what so ever Social Jobbers indeed.

Well, they did get to pin Dolph Ziggler. That's something...that nearly everyone else gets to do.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 26, 2016, 10:59:24 PM
Fandango is so non existent that not even he gets to join 4MB
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on January 27, 2016, 04:08:43 AM
The Rock trolling those weird Uni-Corn guys made my week.

I liked his comments to Rusev about Lana's flexibility the best.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2016, 11:34:54 PM
So is AJ Styles not allowed to hit the Styles Clash on RAW?

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on February 03, 2016, 03:27:16 AM
The Styles Clash sucks. It hurts a hell of a lot of people, and is as fake as the Canadian Destroyer. Ban that move, WWE!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 03, 2016, 04:58:47 AM
Fandango is so non existent that not even he gets to join 4MB

Future endeavered.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 03, 2016, 05:04:23 AM
Monday's Raw supposedly did a record low number for a non-football episode. Ratings and viewers for much of 2015 were markedly lower than the same weeks in 2014. And this year is starting off with numbers that mostly look bad compared to 2015.

They really need to start instituting significant product presentation and creative changes. The numbers trend is starting to take on a circling the drain type feeling.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 03, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
Apparently the WWE is already fucking with AJ Styles.

Aside from the fact that the Miz was pretty much tearing into him verbally for like 10 minutes, calling him repeatedly small and runt, and so on, the WWE also lowered the volume of the audience's pop as he came out it seems.
Reading that he got a huge response, but recording now makes it seem like he is a nobody the audience doesn't care for.

I'm also glad to see that the Wyatt continues its streak of jobbing to old wrestlers like the Big Show in 1vs1s, who really needs the rub.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2016, 09:50:20 AM
Don't worry. The WWE has a plan to make things better.


http://wrestlechat.net/report-big-update-on-wrestlemania-32-plans-regarding-undertaker-lesnar-strowman-and-bray-wyatt/

The Styles Clash sucks. It hurts a hell of a lot of people, and is as fake as the Canadian Destroyer. Ban that move, WWE!

Only people dumb enough not to lean their head back. And it's much more realistic than the Pop up Powerbomb!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 03, 2016, 10:13:36 AM
Fandango is so non existent that not even he gets to join 4MB

Future endeavered.

DIE!

Don't worry. The WWE has a plan to make things better.


http://wrestlechat.net/report-big-update-on-wrestlemania-32-plans-regarding-undertaker-lesnar-strowman-and-bray-wyatt/


So we can look forward to Undertaker having a concussion again after his match.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 16, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Last night's main event match was
(http://s12.postimg.org/sdj9x7y4d/maxresdefault.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
free image uploading (http://postimage.org/)

The whole segment was just horrendous. Ftm, Raw itself was nonsensical, as usual.

Though at least Summer Rae finally won a match and they have not deep jobbed Becky, yet.

By the way, Wade Barrett has informed the E he will not be signing an extension when his contract is up in the summer. Another worthwhile person they completely wasted.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 16, 2016, 07:12:24 PM
Summer actually had a match?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 16, 2016, 07:18:31 PM
Yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT6qWk7dS0  (Full match, but looks like it was recorded with a potato.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF7n_1eatV8  (2nd half only, but much better quality.)

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 16, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Summer beats my darling Paige with a botched schoolboy rollup? This might finally be the straw that breaks the back of our relationship, Liquid.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 16, 2016, 07:33:24 PM
Becky is better anyway. :)

But seriously Paige seems slated to replace the Bellas as the media/publicity geared act of the division. (Nikki might be finished and Brie is leaving soon.) That would be ironic given her old anti-diva handle. They might not care so much about Paige's wrestling results anymore, which is too bad. Maybe she peaked too soon by getting two early but short reigns?

I just hope they get off the Charlotte road. She does not interest me at all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 16, 2016, 07:35:15 PM
Agreed on all counts
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on February 16, 2016, 07:43:21 PM
How long till Vince tells Becky to lose some weight in front of everyone?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 16, 2016, 07:53:57 PM
In Becky and Bayley they have two potentially top shelf face Divas.

I cannot help but feel they will blow it with both. Probably because of stupid shit like that. Or Bayley's face not being model like. (Yeah Charlotte's is not either, but she is getting a mega push because of who her Dad is and the fact he is Trips idol.)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on February 17, 2016, 08:45:32 PM
I guess I'll be the one to say it. Bayley isn't "aesthetically pleasing" enough to thrive on the main roster. It's going to be a shit show if she ever moves up
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 18, 2016, 07:05:36 AM
I guess I'll be the one to say it. Bayley isn't "aesthetically pleasing" enough to thrive on the main roster. It's going to be a shit show if she ever moves up

Obligatory "It already is" comment. :)

(Speculation is Bayley will be arriving on the main roster sometime after 'Mania.)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on February 22, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
Woohoo, Shane o Mac is back!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 22, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
Next step: Using Shane to try and get over Roman. Probably by teaming up against The Authority.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 22, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
UT WM match couldn't possibly be against Shane.  They can book better than that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 22, 2016, 10:46:12 PM
Yeah...this doesn't make sense.

1. Why would the UT agree to this?

2. Is UT a heel?

At least we get Dean Ambrose vs Lesnar. I mean, Lesnar will probably win because we can't make anyone a star but Roman Reigns, but at least it's something.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 22, 2016, 11:11:28 PM
This year's Road to Wrestlemania is what happens when excessive injuries meet a years long failure to build new stars.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2016, 04:42:28 AM
Next Raw the UT comes out, says he is nobody's pawn, and will fight -for- Shane.
Vince declares the UT will have to fight Braun Strohman(or whatever his name).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 23, 2016, 06:59:46 AM
Haha... I just read on 411's Raw recap that the fans were euphoric over HHH beating the shit out of Reigns. That's fucking awesome.

Of course, Shane coming back is MORE awesome. Literally NO ONE saw that coming, even as much as we all hoped it. The problem here is that, while everyone agrees that having Shane back in WWE would be great for the company, everyone ALSO agrees that having HHH in charge would be great for the company. It doesn't matter as long as Vince is around.


As to the previous Divas discussion... I can't see WWE missing the boat on Bayley. I mean, that would be a HUGE miss on their part if they do. She is HUGE. She might be the single most popular NXT act (MAYBE after Zayn) right now. I can't imagine her flopping on the main roster.

Sasha as a face really doesn't feel right. She and Owens are the best heels on the roster. They should switch her back.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2016, 09:35:46 AM

As to the previous Divas discussion... I can't see WWE missing the boat on Bayley. I mean, that would be a HUGE miss on their part if they do. She is HUGE. She might be the single most popular NXT act (MAYBE after Zayn) right now. I can't imagine her flopping on the main roster.


We -are- talking WWE here, right?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 23, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
Yeah, but even WWE saw the reactions Bryan was getting and gave us what we wanted. I imagine it would be the same for Bayley.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 23, 2016, 01:37:36 PM
Yeah, and then they booked him horribly after he won the title and that's not counting all the wasted years where they could have had a top draw, still didn't push him, and now he's retired because of injuries.

And Triple H, we all know you're great--but couldn't you have let the League of Nations help? I mean, I know that might make it seem you're a little less godly, but... :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on February 23, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Yeah, but even WWE saw the reactions Bryan was getting and gave us what we wanted. I imagine it would be the same for Bayley.
ou seem to forget it took them 2 years to get there, and only after his fanbase was literally shutting down the Arenas, attacking other wrestlers, and him appearing on major Football shows, and so on.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on February 23, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Highlight of the evening from last night's RAW:


Cole: The Roman Empire is on fire!!!!1

Crowd: ..... :|

Lil kid: Roman, you suuuuuck!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on February 23, 2016, 06:34:30 PM
None of you understand the pro wrestling business
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on February 24, 2016, 01:20:37 AM
Billions of dollars and yet they couldn't buy Shane O Mac a bottle of Just For Men.

The optics could've been better if not for that failing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 24, 2016, 05:55:37 AM
Rumors are Reigns will be off tv for a while. Gee you think it could have anything to do with March's Raws being in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly, and Brooklyn? They know he is going to get booed like crazy in all of those.

I still cannot quite buy them keeping him off tv all that time. I mean, that would make him look like a bitch. But this fed is so out of touch I would not be shocked to see them try a last minute "return" in Brooklyn as the last Raw before 'Mania closes with an attack on Trips.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 24, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
So only the Authority is allowed to drop F bombs and make people wear a crimson mask
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 01, 2016, 02:27:08 AM
Wow! I can't believe how over Dean Ambrose got last night! He got to be pummeled by Triple H--TWICE. And the second time left him a barely conscious mass!

Oh, and Kalisto continues his epic US title run by losing again.

The WWE: Making new stars

But seriously....

WTF is Wade Barrett not on permanent jobber mode!? He should be getting squashed by Kalisto and everyone else. Like in the good old days.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 02, 2016, 12:16:25 AM
Two questions:

1. Wtf is Chrisley Knows Best?
2. Why are they teaming AJ Styles with Cool Dad? I hate Cool Dad.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 02, 2016, 12:22:20 AM
Okay, three questions.

3. I realize it's probably just the grumpy old man in me coming out, but am I the only one who just finds New Day annoying? They seem like super good guys and I'm glad they're having so much fun, but at the end of the day you're still a 300 pound 30 year old man screaming "BOOTY" and giggling on national television.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 02, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
Chrisly Knows Best is a show about a white trash idiot who is rich for some reason who is also a fag, who has two hot daughters but their hotness is canceled out by their southern accents that make them sound like the inbred retards that they are.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 02, 2016, 12:23:42 AM
Okay, three questions.

3. I realize it's probably just the grumpy old man in me coming out, but am I the only one who just finds New Day annoying? They seem like super good guys and I'm glad they're having so much fun, but at the end of the day you're still a 300 pound 30 year old man screaming "BOOTY" and giggling on national television.

Better than the Usos, Ascension, and any other tag teams there are. 

Well the Lucha Dragons are the best but they are tiny Mexicans so they don't matter.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 02, 2016, 11:00:32 AM
I like New Day, even though they get too silly sometimes. Their backstage vids are usually pretty cool too. Those guys made a gimmick that could have bombed work out. It will extend their careers in the E.

Sides like Liquid says, the tag division is otherwise pretty barren, save for the Dragons. The better teams otherwise are mostly thrown together solo wrestlers ala Y2AJ and random League of Nations pairings.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on March 13, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
HHH beat Ambrose for the Title.


spoiler alert.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 15, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
How silly and tone deaf does it come across when Stephen and Trips give a promo about how we need to quit treating Roman Reigns as our hero? They just sound absurd even saying that. Especially when Roman comes out a bit later to MASSIVE BOOING.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on March 15, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
I love The New Day. However the booty gimmick is pretty dumb though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 15, 2016, 05:26:00 PM
Roman Reigns is the RIV of the WWE
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 15, 2016, 06:37:01 PM
Last night's show was awful. At least what I saw of it.

They have ridden the Reigns train too long and he has become a symbol of what some people hate about the product. You might be able to get away with that with someone like Cena. But Roman has not fully ascended yet. It's looking like he never will at this rate.

Shane vs 'Taker is not credible for the biggest ppv of the year and last night did not help there either. Those punches are comically bad.

Zayn is in danger of going Neville's route unless they begin making his product arrival seem more important.

New Day and Becky are about the only active things going right now that interest me. And I expect her to take the fall at 'Mania so they can string out a Sasha vs Charlotte feud that no one is demanding to see at the moment.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 15, 2016, 07:26:35 PM
Yea everything looks like shit leading up to this.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 15, 2016, 08:46:47 PM
Wait is new day going the Eddie route

Where there faces that cheating
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 16, 2016, 06:25:17 AM
I did like Mick giving Dean his barbwire bat
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 16, 2016, 03:26:43 PM
I thought it was actually one of the better Raws in recent memory, which says a lot about the product, I guess
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 17, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
It had to happen. Lilian Garcia kept repeatedly announcing Neville as the Man Gravity Forgot, and now Gravity finally caught wind of it..The arrogance of men is thinking nature is under our control and not the other way around.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 17, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
And now my spirit animal Bray Wyatt is injured  :'(

When will it all end, bah gawd
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 17, 2016, 08:49:12 PM
Dammit how many people got injured now
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 17, 2016, 08:56:24 PM
Cesaro
Neville
Bray
Bryan
Zayn but he's back now
Roman, thank god
Rollins
Orton
Sting technically
Barrett

I know I'm forgetting a bunch
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 17, 2016, 09:07:27 PM
Hideo (NXT) is out since a year or so now too.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 18, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
The wrestling gods will take out everyone until Dean Ambrose becomes World Champion.

...

So enjoy the WWE while you can. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 18, 2016, 12:58:53 PM
For every wrestler that falls, Fandango grows in strength.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: JookDukem on March 18, 2016, 01:18:47 PM
Just make Bray Wyatt the champ already. Jesus Christ.

That is literally the option here.

Save us Bray. Save us.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 18, 2016, 03:28:19 PM
Just make Bray Wyatt the champ already. Jesus Christ.

That is literally the option here.

Save us Bray. Save us.

Guy,

And now my spirit animal Bray Wyatt is injured  :'(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 19, 2016, 12:20:05 AM
For every wrestler that falls, Fandango grows in strength.

He could earn a spot with the Social Outcasts if he's lucky.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 19, 2016, 02:38:25 PM
For every wrestler that falls, Fandango grows in strength.

Does he even still work for WWE?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 19, 2016, 02:43:02 PM
Yea he rubs oil on the wrestlers before they come out.  Also helps catering, picks up trash, helps set up and break down the ring before and after shows, etc.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 19, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Alberto Del Rio has a bigger dick than Fandango
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 22, 2016, 12:28:21 AM
It looks like Luke Harper can be added to the injured list. I hope it is not as serious as it sounds.

http://www.sescoops.com/luke-harper-injured-after-raw/
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on March 22, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
It looks like Luke Harper can be added to the injured list. I hope it is not as serious as it sounds.

http://www.sescoops.com/luke-harper-injured-after-raw/

What the fuck are they doing to these guys

Wrestle mania going to suck balls
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on March 22, 2016, 02:47:15 AM
And STILL Vince won't book properly.

We don't WANT or NEED to see the Styles/Jericho rubbermatch at Wrestlemania.

What the fans want and what works is a Styles vs Owens IC title match at Mania where AJ goes over and becomes the champion.

That would actually push a hot commodity and build a star in the process.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 22, 2016, 05:45:32 PM
http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2016/03/22/march21rawtvratings/   (Thanks to Empress at WF)

3/21 Raw TV Ratings – Raw declines fourth straight week

Monday’s WWE Raw continued a five-week TV Ratings decline since Fast Lane in February.

WWE Raw TV Ratings Tracking

March 21: Raw scored a 2.44 rating, down three percent from a 2.51 rating last week.

The overall TV rating has steadily dropped each week since the Raw after Fast Lane…

Feb. 22: 2.73 rating (post-Fast Lane/Shane return)
Feb. 29: 2.63 rating
Mar. 7: 2.59 rating
Mar. 14: 2.51 rating
Mar. 21: 2.44 rating

Overall for the year, Raw is averaging a 2.55 rating through 12 weeks, down 12 percent from a 12-week ratings average of 2.91 to start 2015.


– Monday’s three hours averaged 3.399 million viewers, down two percent (about 60,000 viewers) from last week’s show. Hourly Break Down:

First Hour: 3.466 million viewers (nearly the same as last week
Second Hour: 3.416 million viewers (up slightly from last week)
Third Hour: 3.317 million viewers (down 200,000 viewers from last week)

The big difference between this week and last week was a decline in third hour viewership. Last week’s third hour included Triple H vs. Dolph Ziggler and Vince-Shane-Undertaker in the final segment. This week’s third hour was centered on Vince McMahon making a WM32 announcement and a cold Dean Ambrose vs. Braun Strowman match.

– DEMOGRAPHICS: The key demographics are perhaps the most concerning of all two weeks before WrestleMania.

Raw fell off the board in males 18-34. M18-34 declined two-tenths of a rating to easily the lowest TV rating of the year.

Raw also lost one-tenth of a rating in adults 18-49 to the lowest a18-49 rating of the year.

Males 18-49 fell one-tenth, as well, and tied for the lowest m18-49 rating of the year.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 22, 2016, 05:47:55 PM
Worst Road to Wrestlemania ever. The shows and numbers are just tanking.

That main event featuring Strowman was an embarrassment last night. They should be ashamed to offer up something like that two weeks before 'Mania. Or ever, honestly.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on March 22, 2016, 09:45:44 PM
You know what this means.  As soon as Cena comes back they have to put the belt back on him to save the WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 22, 2016, 11:15:06 PM
Jeebus, what a shitty card. I don't even blame it on the scarcity of big names. They had the tools and Vince fucked it all up. Shane vs. Taker? C'mon, what is this, In Your House? Daaaaah..
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 22, 2016, 11:20:48 PM
You know it's bad if Zack Ryder is being called up from Superstars.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 22, 2016, 11:39:09 PM
Well, Strowman showed us all why he's the future of the business.

And Triple H needs to fire his limo driver. Guy is a freaking jerk.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on March 23, 2016, 03:41:13 AM
I stilll find it funny that they've been banning moves left and right for years to keep people "safe" and keep injuries down... and injuries are probably now the WORST THEY'VE EVER BEEN. Turns out it's not the high-risk moves at all- it's the super-fast pace, and Vince's lust for big muscles (especially the shoulder-injuries- all that lifting to get those rounded shoulders actually leads to weakened joints, which is probably why you have so many bad injuries there).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 23, 2016, 12:34:16 PM
Not enough fish oil.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 23, 2016, 06:11:49 PM
They need to seriously look at the schedule and not have people doing house shows constantly. Talent is just breaking down too much.

A rotating couple of weeks off for everyone every few months would not hurt either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on March 28, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JFeU6be.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/LpG3fYq.gif)

Fuck RIV
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 29, 2016, 03:21:57 PM
I feel sorry for Reigns. C'mon, that plancha was awesome. It's just the booking has just killed him. And it's done that to everyone, even Batista, who was in a hit movie just weeks later!

Oh, and the WWE thought Eva Marie would get cheered on RAW....that is the biggest proof the WWE doesn't know its fans anymore. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on March 29, 2016, 11:14:07 PM
Yeah, can't place too much of the blame on Reigns. He isn't exactly in a position to contest the shitty booking right now. Oh well, if Randy Orton could eventually get over, it's only a matter of time before Reigns is allowed to hit his stride ( assuming Vince dies within a decade ).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
Well, get over but not be the massive star they wanted him to be....I guess Orton's that, but it's not like I'm going, "RAW stinks without him" like I did with Daniel Bryan.

Man, think how insanely awesome it would have been if Bryan had been given the monster push Reigns had got instead of being held back for year and years.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on March 30, 2016, 06:00:04 PM
I feel sorry for Reigns. C'mon, that plancha was awesome. It's just the booking has just killed him. And it's done that to everyone, even Batista, who was in a hit movie just weeks later!

Oh, and the WWE thought Eva Marie would get cheered on RAW....that is the biggest proof the WWE doesn't know its fans anymore. :)

Wow, that was terrible when Eva Marie showed up. Instead of running towards the ring, she should have walked right back stage.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 30, 2016, 09:57:41 PM
Actually the WWE thinking Total Divas is still important shows how lost they are? The ratings are rock bottom and even the guy  from 411Mania doesn't deem the show worthy of mocking anymore.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: The Captain on March 31, 2016, 09:25:02 AM
They need to seriously look at the schedule and not have people doing house shows constantly. Talent is just breaking down too much.

A rotating couple of weeks off for everyone every few months would not hurt either.

Isn't one of the conspiracy theories floating around right now that the Shane-Undertaker match will lead to the re-splitting of Raw and Smackdown? If that's true then keeping rosters to one show or the other might cut down those workloads.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 31, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
No! I want the Authority gone! It's been going on forever!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on March 31, 2016, 03:33:28 PM
Quote
– Stephanie McMahon and WWE World Heavyweight Champion Triple H officially opened the WrestleMania 32 Store today in Dallas. As seen below, fans chanted for The Game as he opened the doors. You can also see photos of the long lines at the store:
http://www.dailywrestlingnews.com/big-pop-for-triple-h-in-dallas-nikki-bella-wrestlemania-wm-store-bringing-in-big-bucks-new-promo/

"Heel."



(http://i.imgur.com/JFeU6be.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/LpG3fYq.gif)

Fuck RIV

"Face".
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on April 04, 2016, 09:06:45 PM
Man jerico trying he hardest to put roman over
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 05, 2016, 12:36:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/wNcyIsk.png)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 05, 2016, 12:37:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EvcSfhJ.gif)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on April 05, 2016, 01:57:57 AM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2z7hkdx.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/30jlim0.jpg)

Maryse's return was almost worthy of her. Great seeing Cesaro back, plus Enzo & Cass too.

And wow, a Monday Night Raw that did not suck. Too bad it cannot be the night after 'Mania more than once a year.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 05, 2016, 02:52:10 AM
So that was Baron Corbin...was he a third member of the Accension who got held back? Yeah, he was pretty bad. I mean you had a hot crowd and Ziggler and...wah wah.

Apollo Crews and Enzo and Cass were great. SAWFT

The fatal four way was great. Thank god Jericho didn't win. Sorry, but he can put on a good match, but he doesn't have that second gear anymore. Of course AJ's going to job to Reigns. But what can you do when an out of touch psychopath is the owner?

So are the Wyatts faces now?

Another reason I don't like Charlotte winning...having to hear her talk. Poor Becky, she does the best out of everyone...and all she gets is to tap out and a black eye.

Okay I just realized something the only faces who won were Ryder and Reigns. So that means you had hours of heels winning...plus Reigns isn't exactly the people's champion. Who booked this? I mean, I can get booking faces to win like that because--make the fans happy.

Hey, Zack Ryder, we could try and build you back up or...The Miz. One of the many times you you into the audience and see people mad.

Okay, so Vince hates Shane and disowns him but let's him run RAW for reasons and Shane did a good job even though a good portion of the matches were booked on the fly by the wrestlers.

Rene looked great.

The fans do not seem pleased with Reigns as champion.

So Dean Ambrose pretty much got squashed. Yeah, I'd hate to make a star and make money. Best to protect the part timer who needs two other wrestlers to carry him to a great match.

Yay. Nattie is going to challenge Charlotte. Yeah, I heard they had a great match on NXT...but I also heard that Sasha was the greatest wrestler ever so people are liars.



"WE WANT BAYLEY"
Okay, when in the last two years has the WWE given you the slightest indication that what you want matters?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 05, 2016, 07:40:49 AM
I decided to just skip on Wrestlemania, since all I heard about it makes it seem like an overlong mess, and I really don't care for 90% of what happened in it. By far too little to go through 7 fucking hours.

It was funny to see Vince break kayfabe ever so slightly, seeing the reaction of the crowd, and how they wanted Shane to "run RAW". Of course we know that means jackshit, since creative/Vince still make all the decisions, but it was nice.

Also, the New Day seriously turned coals into diamonds.
They are amazing.
I have to give huge props to these guys.
The way they can whip the crowd into a frenzy is a wonder to behold.
These guys need to become managers when they are done wrestling.
I really -pray- the WWE will not ruin them.

The League of Nations, since its inception, shrunk from what, 7? to now 3.
I'd certainly would call that a fail, even though their music is great.

Also, it seems like Sheamus beard intends to take over first his face, then the world.
TAME THAT BITCH!

Also, wtf, did the Wyatts just turn face for no reason whatsoever?


I like Sasha's swagger.
She also has a pretty theme, which I don't mind hearing.

Apollo Crews has a lot of positive energy around him. That huge ass grin on his face was amazing.
His music helps to sell it too.
Holy crap he is fast and agile O_o.
I was thinking "Yeah, this guy looks like Vince's fetish dreams", but he's really not bad.

Feeling sorry for Tyler Breeze though. He's the new Fandango.
He's going to be gone within a year as well.

Woooo, the audience really hates Roman Reigns.
He's the new Cena, for all of the same reasons. No charisma, cannot wrestle, always the same spots, andbeing shoved down our throats as if we were gay rentboys at a corner somewhere in Las Vegas.

Crowd boos Roman, announcers "The crowd is very passionate!" ...just who are you guys trying to fool?
...Roman, telling the crowd you hates you that you are THE guy is not the right way to go about it, unless you plan to turn straight heel.
But with how they book him, I don't think they know what to do with him.

Jericho...?
Who did he suck off to be involved in this too?
What the fuck...

Oh shit, they try to use Jericho to make Roman looks like a Face.
They really don't know what the fuck to do with him.

The impromptu 5 man battle royal is the embodiment of Roman's career.
No one cares about him until he pushes into the middle of things.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 05, 2016, 12:30:26 PM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on April 05, 2016, 03:30:06 PM
With Harper out, now is not the time to be giving the Wyatts stable a push. Bray has no quality left behind him. Have Rowan just stand at ringside and interfere in Bray's matches. Strowman should be demoted to the nxt house roster.

Yeah lol at the "Night after Mania crowd is passionate and boo people they normally cheer." Not in Roman's case, John. But rather, they just boo louder.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 05, 2016, 04:02:52 PM
That was pure Vince McMahon speaking through jbl. I sincerely hope that isn't what McMahon thinks, though. That would be a scary thought about the guy running the company
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 05, 2016, 04:07:18 PM
It's not the Reigns thing that bothers me, when Enzo and Cass were rocking it, you kept hearing "they're an acquired taste".

Yeah, everyone else really really likes them and you don't McMahon! Seriously, I've never met anyone who sees someone who the fans are one hundred percent behind...and just goes "nah" and decides to forgo making a butt load of money.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 06, 2016, 01:47:59 AM
Oh, and apparently Miz won the IC belt because Maryse will be on the next season of Total Divas.


I know it's the E! network, but shouldn't it finally have been canceled!?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 06, 2016, 03:21:12 AM
At least she wouls be more entertaining than anyone on the current cast.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 06, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
What would they cancel their most successful show?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on April 06, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
i fink world dat wood b bad if conosoled
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 07, 2016, 02:55:56 AM
I miss The Soup.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on April 25, 2016, 01:53:37 AM
As much as I'm enjoying it, what was the point of having Shane lose at WM just to let him run RAW anyway? WWE writing is absolutely fucked
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on April 25, 2016, 02:25:24 AM
Also, how hard is it to pronounce the E in WWE? In the first like 30 minutes alone of RAW last week, both Kevin Owens (twice) and AJ just completely dropped it off
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 25, 2016, 08:33:01 AM
Well, one is French and the other is a redneck. And they both tend to rush through what they say sometimes
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on April 25, 2016, 12:32:27 PM
I've noticed Jericho and Trips among others do it too. Maybe it's one of those things where they're changing the company name again and trying to subliminally prepare us for it
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 25, 2016, 01:06:56 PM
The dub dub
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 25, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
I want to put the F back in. WWF-ourEVER!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on April 30, 2016, 04:54:54 AM
Cesaro, stylish as fuck

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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 30, 2016, 10:44:14 AM
I find this gimmick so goofy
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on April 30, 2016, 06:43:23 PM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 04, 2016, 04:42:33 PM
I've noticed Jericho and Trips among others do it too. Maybe it's one of those things where they're changing the company name again and trying to subliminally prepare us for it

This is weird, because I usually notice it when they just say WE, but I don't know that I've ever heard anyone just say WW.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 04, 2016, 06:23:38 PM
They do say Dubba E a lot, too
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 05, 2016, 02:22:45 AM
Finally watching RAW.


1. Becky Lynch is gorgeous. Just ridiculously gorgeous.

2. Holy shit, don't ever let Kalisto talk. That was one of the most brutal things I've ever heard

3. hahaha Charles Robinson's voice is so gd goony. He sounds like I imagine Hulk Power sounds. We need a new school Tommy Young to come in and take refereeing by storm. Alas, referees aren't allowed to be characters anymore. I miss the good old days of Slick and Tommy Young.

4. Dean Ambrose is so fucking overrated and I just don't get it. I understand that he's charismatic, but holy shit you guys

5. Yesssss I actually brought up with a buddy the other day how we never get to see submissions matches anymore. Too bad it's between Nattie and Charlotte, but I'll take what I can get. The psychology is what it's all about anyway, and they can both pull that off.

6. Stephanie has never looked better than she has this last couple weeks. Damn dude. She looked incredible tonight

7. AJ walking out with the Bullet Club gave me shivers, no lie. AJ is on a very short list for the best pure professional wrestler in the world right now, and I'm so thankful he has this stage to prove it on. Needs a new theme song, though.

8. Hahaha I hope the poor Usos have thick skin if they're going to be walking out with Roman very often. That was sad.

9. The main event and the stuff after it was freaking great. Bullet Club wins, AJ clears the ring after making the right moral choice for his character, and then gets blindsided by RR to further set up Reigns' eventual heel turn. Just great stuff.  I never thought I would say it, but after Payback and this week's RAW I am really impressed with Roman. I still hate him, but I've actually really enjoyed the last two matches he's been in. I'm honestly not sure if he can ever win over the fans, but he's at least making an effort.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 05, 2016, 04:28:11 PM
Dean's been neutered a lot in the last year by being turned into more a "hyuck hyuck" jokester than a lunatic madman. He's good at either role, but the former is just hard to take seriously.

He hasn't been getting a murderer's row of guys he can really GO with in the ring, either, so he's been underwhelming there, too.

I DO agree that the IWC's assessment of Dean as "OMG THE NEW STONE COLD!" was always ridiculous, but the guy IS pretty great. He just isn't allowed by creative to show it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Ditto on May 05, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
Dean is overrated as fuck. His moveset and in ring ability have been GREATLY exaggerated and he's basically a caricature of himself at this point.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 05, 2016, 06:22:33 PM
Ambrose was godlike, 2 years ago, but you can tell he really doesn't give a shit anymore.
Doesn't help that they won't let him shape his character like he wants it to be.

He stopped caring.

With the Shield, before they pushed Roman, he was a fantastic leader, and you really bought the idea of him having no issues with putting a bullet into someone's head, then go and get a coffee.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 06, 2016, 03:00:32 PM
Yeah, he's got a spot and he knows he cannot advance past it. I mean, he got the honor of losing to Brock Lesnar because--heaven forbid--we build a star using a guy who has hype but doesn't wrestle and doesn't improve the ratings or buyrate one iota.

And now he's stuck feuding with Y2Kane. Seriously, that's Jericho's role. Getting in feud with wrestlers I like that are just a waste of time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 06, 2016, 05:09:34 PM
I'm guessing I am the only Jericho fan left on this board?

Anyway I am of divided mind regarding Ambrose. Vince, Steph, Hunter, and Dunn absolutely play favorites. And if you are not one of theirs, it usually does not matter how good you are or how much fans love, or love to hate, you.

But I've come the conclusion Dean isn't a lock main eventer anyway. His signature moves are essentially a DDT and frequently sluggish looking clothesline. His character is too watered down in the PC climate as well. I think he only possibly works as a top guy if they start doing hardcore matches, first blood matches, and such again. A guy who is insane but does not do much truly extreme is a tough sell.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 07, 2016, 08:15:26 AM
I think Dean is great. Check out his matches with Rollins. Or hey, his really good match with Triple. Anyone who overcomes Triple H's crappy match style has skill. And he is a great storyteller in the ring. And Dean isn't in as bad a position as some.

Cody Rhodes is screwed. He's not one of Triple H's NXT guys and he's not a hoss that Vince likes. I'm sorry, but when Dusty died, he should have dropped the Stardust gimmick, turned face, and gotten a push. But instead he's just a jobber to the stars. Which is pathetic because I used to believe he could be world champion because of how he can make any gimmick the WWE gave him work.

And I don't hate Jericho. I hate that Jericho is just there to be the guy that fans want to see has a feud instead of being in the main event like the fans want.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 07, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
Jericho remains my all-time favorite wrestler, but I am just tired of him in general at this point. He is overplayed. He ended up saving his last stint a bit with the heel turn, but his being around is just a constant reminder of how WWE values part-time old guys more than its young talent.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on May 09, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
Wait was Roman getting some cheers
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 09, 2016, 11:12:50 PM
Yep.

Oh, I forgot to point this out last week, but those battle royal refs...dear lord that may have been the most pathetic display of uselessness in wrestling refs I've seen. Corbin drags Ziggler out and they...point at him and just let him beat up Ziggler. Point.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 10, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
Dean is overrated as fuck. His moveset and in ring ability have been GREATLY exaggerated and he's basically a caricature of himself at this point.
Agreed- I find his work sloppy, silly and cartoonish. None of his offense has any credibility whatsoever. Plus I automatically hate anyone who uses that stupid "falls upside-down into the ropes" spot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 10, 2016, 10:19:52 AM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 11, 2016, 01:59:50 AM
I dig the Vaudevillains. It's been a long time since time we had a good white supremacist gimmick in the WWE.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 11, 2016, 02:41:20 AM
I dig the Vaudevillains. It's been a long time since time we had a good white supremacist gimmick in the WWE.

Adding them and Enzo/Cass to the New Day give light to the potential of having the best tag division since E & C, The Dudleys, and The Hardys.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 11, 2016, 06:05:47 AM
Don't forget about Goldango
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 11, 2016, 06:14:18 AM
Unfortunately it seems Vince has been vocal about hating the Vaudevillains.
He says he "Doesn't get them", and has second thoughts about calling them up to the main roster.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 11, 2016, 08:52:09 AM
Don't forget about Goldango

Who?   :)


Unfortunately it seems Vince has been vocal about hating the Vaudevillains.
He says he "Doesn't get them", and has second thoughts about calling them up to the main roster.

That would not surprise me. I like them cause they are different. Even a casual observer cannot confuse them with anyone else in the product. They have nice chemistry with each other as well.

Supposedly Vince is not big on Apollo Crews either. That one I do get. Guy is yet another flippy happy-to-be-here face ala the Usos and Neville. In fact, I think Black Neville describes him pretty accurately so far.

Nxt needs to do a better of building communication skills with some of these people. With all the resources and attention they put into training, there is little excuse for debuting people who cannot emote decently. Hopefully he gets better over time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 11, 2016, 11:46:25 AM
Apollo Crews is fippy as fuck, but he does have the look that Vince loves.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 11, 2016, 12:19:53 PM
Tyler Breeze and Fandango should be a tag team who have the gimmick of always coming out to the ring with massive erections clearly visible through their tights.


And you know how the fucking shitty Bellas used to get up on the ropes and rub their asses together?

Tyler and Fandango do the same, with their throbbing erections.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 11, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
And the Alberto del Rio brings out his (way bigger than Fandango's) massive dick and it wins King of the Ring
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 11, 2016, 04:52:53 PM
No becausw he gets released for slapping a crewman with it backstage.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 11, 2016, 05:06:41 PM
Speaking of future releases, Adam Rose just got arrested in Florida for jury tampering and intimidating a witness
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 11, 2016, 05:07:44 PM
Haha whaaat
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 11, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
 http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/707795-update-wwe-suspends-adam-rose-indefinitely-following-recent-arrest-for-battery-domestic-charge   (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/707795-update-wwe-suspends-adam-rose-indefinitely-following-recent-arrest-for-battery-domestic-charge)

Sounds like his wife was being a lemon.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 11, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
Haha Bleacher Report listed the charges as jury tampering and witness intimidation earlier. I figured he was doing some mob shit on the side during his suspension.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 11, 2016, 06:11:08 PM
WWE just suspended him indefinitely.
He's so future endeavered now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 11, 2016, 09:11:41 PM
And the...crowd goes wild...whooo...

:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on May 16, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
boy that was a low moment for Rick Flair
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 17, 2016, 01:53:39 AM
The whole Divas Revolution has been one long running low moment.

Your two most popular Divas are either mia (Sasha) or jobbing (Becky.) While a man Vince's age is central to the storylines for months.

The women's division is one of the worst parts of a really bad product.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 17, 2016, 01:58:50 AM
Well, I think I'm done rooting for Becky Lynch. It just seems like a waste of time. She's just a jobber and a loser and there is no point for me or any other fan to bother cheering because--well, just check out the front row and there "c'mon really!" body expression.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on May 17, 2016, 03:43:29 AM
Unfortunately it seems Vince has been vocal about hating the Vaudevillains.
He says he "Doesn't get them", and has second thoughts about calling them up to the main roster.


Which is kinda strange, as it's really the kinda cartoony gimmick that'd seemingly be right up Vince's alley.

"I don't get the Vaudevillains act at all. Job em to the Uso's."

"You got it, Vince. BTW, we've got another pitch for you. Check it out...early 19th century white macho men with really goofy, old school mustaches."

"I LIKE IT! Feed the Club to them!"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 17, 2016, 05:58:24 AM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 17, 2016, 06:48:34 AM
Brand new era.

Same shit writing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 17, 2016, 07:01:32 AM
Well, I think I'm done rooting for Becky Lynch. It just seems like a waste of time. She's just a jobber and a loser and there is no point for me or any other fan to bother cheering because--well, just check out the front row and there "c'mon really!" body expression.

Yeah it really is a shame. Becky has everything you need to be a top tier woman : appealing personality, fan connection, mic skills, looks, ring work. But booking is killing her.

Unless you are a favorite of Vince, Trips, Steph, or Dunn nothing else matters. Not even doing the best work in the division plus getting and staying over despite getting shit shoveled your way.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on May 17, 2016, 06:29:51 PM
The Vaudvillains are awesome!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 17, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...

Yeah. I consider him average in the ring. Plus, tell me one person who does a better powerbomb.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 10:11:25 PM
I actually really dug Epico and Primo, surprisingly. They both showed off some relatively innovative offense.

You fairweather fuccbois can give up on Becky Lynch all you want, but I never will. She's perfect.

It's great having Bob Backlund back. The man is a phenomenal character.

Holy shit, Bubba Ray's arm is bigger than Shane's chest. Jesus.

Golden Truth looked really good until the miscommunication. I dig it.

I used to love ADR, but I hate him now since I found out he's banging my darling Paige.

Let's all agree to not let Nattie talk anymore. It's for the best.

Charlotte actually looked attractive tonight. What happened?

How do you close out RAW with a lackluster Women's division contract signing? Come on, New Era.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on May 17, 2016, 10:18:22 PM
I think Natalya is the most over rated Woman's wrestler ever. She was decent in the Diva's era, but now that these younge women are given time to shine she has been passed up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 17, 2016, 10:19:03 PM
Becky Lynch has no tits and needs to lose 40lbs.

Summer Rae is best.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 10:25:28 PM
Summer Rae is best.

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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 10:26:24 PM
Random thought: I kind of wish "The Pope" D'Angelo Dinero would come back to WWE
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 17, 2016, 10:31:55 PM
Becky Lynch small tits:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1MSIM_enUS688US688&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=becky%20lynch%20small%20tits (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1MSIM_enUS688US688&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=becky%20lynch%20small%20tits)

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Summer Rae hot:

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I win.  Summer wins.  The world wins.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
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Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Body: easy 10

Face: 4 on average
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 17, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gc1RX-kGEXw/hqdefault.jpg)

This one made me ROLFLOLOLOL 

DLB style.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 17, 2016, 11:06:08 PM
Dot is a motherfucking classic
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 17, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
I actually really dug Epico and Primo, surprisingly. They both showed off some relatively innovative offense.

You fairweather fuccbois can give up on Becky Lynch all you want, but I never will. She's perfect.

It's great having Bob Backlund back. The man is a phenomenal character.

Holy shit, Bubba Ray's arm is bigger than Shane's chest. Jesus.

Golden Truth looked really good until the miscommunication. I dig it.

I used to love ADR, but I hate him now since I found out he's banging my darling Paige.

Let's all agree to not let Nattie talk anymore. It's for the best.

Charlotte actually looked attractive tonight. What happened?

How do you close out RAW with a lackluster Women's division contract signing? Come on, New Era.

Eh, what's the worse that could happen?

http://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-raw-rating-hits-2016-low-viewership-down/

Oh yeah. That. Well, that's not the ladies' fault...the LU commercial was just the generic type. I wanna know what happens Wednesday!

And I don't think Nattie's bad....it's just that she always messes up some sort of big move at the end or beginning of her matches that makes you go "whah?" That and I hate listening to her talk because the WWE makes sure she says the dumbest things possible. Every time.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 17, 2016, 11:55:57 PM
Natalya's problem is she cannot talk and has little personality to speak of. She's fine for workrate, but not good in other areas.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on May 18, 2016, 03:10:55 AM
Why doesn't Summer get a nose job, it seems like a simple fix.  Does the procedure permanently weaken the area in a dangerous way for a wrestler or something? 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on May 19, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
But then how would she be able to hunt mice and snakes and shit? You want her to starve or something? Think she can stand to lose 40 lbs, you sick freak?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 19, 2016, 10:50:58 AM
Summer Rae is getting a new manager.

(http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.snl.com/SNL_1427_05_The_Falconer.png)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 19, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
You know, for all of her horrible face, she does at least have a hot body.
Long legs, and I like how her costume gives her a boob window.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on May 19, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
You know, for all of her horrible face, she does at least have a hot body.
Long legs, and I like how her costume gives her a boob window.

That's what I mean about it being a simple solution.  Fix the nose and she's got it made since she's otherwise pretty hot.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 19, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
That mouth is pretty goony too, though.

I've always given her credit for her amazing body, it's just that Uruk-Hai face that throws me off.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on May 19, 2016, 01:28:49 PM
That mouth is pretty goony too, though.

I've always given her credit for her amazing body, it's just that Uruk-Hai face that throws me off.

It's a scary fucking face. 
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 19, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
Becky Lynch is better than Summer Rae in all regards other than digging ant holes for food.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 19, 2016, 03:47:30 PM
Becky Lynch's outfit is basically a girdle and straps which desperately try to contain all her flab and fail to do so.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 20, 2016, 02:36:58 AM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...

Yeah. I consider him average in the ring. Plus, tell me one person who does a better powerbomb.
SID... AVERAGE IN THE RING!!!



SID!!!


I'll let Bobby Heenan do my reaction for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afNOqwJrT8s
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 20, 2016, 02:52:34 AM
Sid had a prettier face than Summer
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 20, 2016, 06:08:22 PM
Yeah he's fucking awful. The guy crippled himself and scarred a generation of wrestling fans exactly because he was so terrible in the ring. Still liked him though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 20, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...

Yeah. I consider him average in the ring. Plus, tell me one person who does a better powerbomb.
SID... AVERAGE IN THE RING!!!



SID!!!


I'll let Bobby Heenan do my reaction for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afNOqwJrT8s

Yeah. Five. Average. His second WWE run was very good. And he has the best powerbomb I've seen.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 20, 2016, 09:36:37 PM
If Sid is a 5, who the hell is a 3?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 20, 2016, 09:37:05 PM
Typhoon
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 20, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
As Tugboat
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 20, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
Summer Rae
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 20, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
Summer Rae

Skill, not Look, bro.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 21, 2016, 01:39:59 AM
Skill, not square footage of nose.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 21, 2016, 01:45:38 AM
To me an average guy can be carried to a good or great match by someone like a Sting or a Shawn Michaels and at least has a decent move set. Plus he's a a monster so I'm not going to go " Der, he didn't do no greco roman grappling, he no good, dur!!!" And c'mon, you're telling me his powerbomb is not the best. Even his chokeslam was pretty awesome, even with larger opponents like Vader.

Sid had a very good third run with the WWE where the only match I can go was bad was his WM match vs UT.

And yeah, I'd go a three with Tugboat because..anyone think of a good Tugboat or Typhoon match?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 21, 2016, 06:18:02 AM
Sid was apocalyptically-bad and clumsy. He was a sloppy brawler, had poor timing, couldn't sell, and sucked at everything except Powerbombing people. That move is the only thing that could bring him above a "1", but plenty of bad wrestlers have one good move (Mabel had a wicked spinwheel kick, and Typhoon's splash was one of the best around- you're never gonna see ME call them "Average"). Even Shawn Michaels joked about how bad he was at wrestling. When not carried by Shawn Michaels, Sid has had some of the worst Main Event matches in wrestling history.

Sid's entire appeal was that he had a wicked finisher and epic charisma. He was the drizzling shits as a worker. To call him AVERAGE is absolutely insane, and why nobody can take PTF rankings seriously.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 21, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
Mabel didn't have a good spin kick! Hell, his pants fell down when he did it once! Actually, his pants came down quite a bit for a guy his size. Which I always found weird.

Typhoon had one of the best splashes? Seriously, I'm going to be super nice and not bring up frog splashes which would give us RVD, Eddie, and several others. I'll go with just the basic splash. The Warrior had a better splash. Ricky Ortiz of the WWECW run had a better splash. You know what, I'm not going to list anymore because I just listed Ricky Ortiz,  a guy I'd give maybe a three on skill. And that's me being nice because I remember how much energy he had in his matches even though he sucked.

And hell, what do you think is harder to do, a powerbomb or a splash?


Dude, in his third WWE run, Sid had good to great matches with Bret Hart, HBK, Vader, and Owen Hart. So yeah, he can at least do what he can to contribute and be carried. Average . He's definitely not a one.




Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 22, 2016, 06:33:48 AM
I wasn't considering Flying Splashes, just standard-issue ones. Ottman's was one of the better ones of his time (compare his to the One Man Gang's). Naturally, Warrior's was better. I'm using it as an example as to why you are silly.

Part of the issue here might be your inability to comprehend what the word "average" actually means. It doesn't mean "horrible worker who has to be carried by a great one to a good match". That's what a BAD worker is! "Average" means you can have decent matches on your own, or have good matches with a variety of good opponents.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 22, 2016, 08:41:08 AM
Oh, so he didn't trip. He was just demonstrating his awesome splash to Sting and the rest of his teammates! It all makes sense now! :)

That's not how I see it.

1-4 is a bad worker who a good to great worker can't drag anything out of because they don't have the skill.

5 is average where a good worker can drag someone with enough skills to a decent match. No matter what it takes two people to make a match.

6-10: Is where you are able to have great matches with anyone.

Yeah, my scale is generous, but I also believe that since wrestlers are putting their bodies on the line and getting beat up willingly, cutting them some slack is okay.

I'm not a heartless monster like some people. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on May 23, 2016, 01:59:23 PM
Just throwing this in here

Quote
WWE just announced the following:

    Adam Rose released

    WWE has granted Adam Rose’s request to be released, as of today, May 23, 2016. WWE wishes Rose the best in all his future endeavors.

This comes after Rose was recently arrested for misdemeanor domestic battery and felony tampering with a witness over an incident with his wife. He was suspended indefinitely due to that incident but had already been serving a suspension for his second WWE Wellness Policy violation.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 23, 2016, 08:57:00 PM
Oh good... WWE is going to try to pass off Rollins as a heel against Reigns. This damn company...
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on May 23, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
Oh, so he didn't trip. He was just demonstrating his awesome splash to Sting and the rest of his teammates! It all makes sense now! :)

That's not how I see it.

1-4 is a bad worker who a good to great worker can't drag anything out of because they don't have the skill.

5 is average where a good worker can drag someone with enough skills to a decent match. No matter what it takes two people to make a match.

6-10: Is where you are able to have great matches with anyone.

Yeah, my scale is generous, but I also believe that since wrestlers are putting their bodies on the line and getting beat up willingly, cutting them some slack is okay.

I'm not a heartless monster like some people. :)
and yet you'll drop poor Ricky Steamboat points as a WORKER because he never went heel :).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on May 23, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
(http://newswatchreport.com/upload/items/image_1424041216_28436919.jpg)




SHUT UP, PROP! I CAN HEAR YOU FROM HERE!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 23, 2016, 11:13:35 PM
Oh, so he didn't trip. He was just demonstrating his awesome splash to Sting and the rest of his teammates! It all makes sense now! :)

That's not how I see it.

1-4 is a bad worker who a good to great worker can't drag anything out of because they don't have the skill.

5 is average where a good worker can drag someone with enough skills to a decent match. No matter what it takes two people to make a match.

6-10: Is where you are able to have great matches with anyone.

Yeah, my scale is generous, but I also believe that since wrestlers are putting their bodies on the line and getting beat up willingly, cutting them some slack is okay.

I'm not a heartless monster like some people. :)
and yet you'll drop poor Ricky Steamboat points as a WORKER because he never went heel :).

hahahaa wtf?!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on May 24, 2016, 06:04:22 AM
Sting Fucking sucks. Always has.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 24, 2016, 07:04:59 AM
Hahaha... AJ Styles, Internet Darling, was given the same role Daniel Bryan was given at Fastlane last year. After losing to Reigns, he had to go out last night and cut promo telling all the fans how terrific Reigns is.


I am developing serious X-Pac heat for Reigns. I don't even wasn't him to turn heel at this point. I just want him to get a better job offer and go far, far away.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 25, 2016, 03:26:47 AM
Apollo Crews is great in the ring but holy shit I hate his gee golly happy to be here character

I still don't like New Day, but I'm willing to give them a chance to grow on me since I've hated Austin creed since his TNA days but since I've started watching Up Up Down Down I'm really starting to like him a lot. I really don't see myself ever liking Big E and his stupid mutant baby body

Maryse is still a babe, but she isn't aging super well

Let's add Baron Corbin to that Nattie and Kalisto group of people we aren't allowing to talk anymore

Good to see Enzo back

Holy fucking bullshit did Flair just compare Dana Brook to Arn FUCKING Anderson. He's gone full retard. They need to take Downs Syndrome Barbie off tv, hard.

Dolph Ziggler has great hair. Other than that, dude is garbage

The only reason I'm okay with breaking up The Club is because I'm giving WWE the benefit of the doubt and assuming this is their way of bringing Balor to the main roster to feud with AJ. Here's hoping.

Yesssssss. I've been begging for an AJ/Owens match since AJ debuted. It wasn't the 5 star match I  figured it would be, but an easy 4 stars if not more. These guys could have an INCREDIBLE series. These two are the best on the roster, bar none. But no WWE, please give us more Ziggler/Corbin matches

HEADLOCK MASTER
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on May 25, 2016, 04:23:22 AM
Eden has asked for an receives her release from WWE apparently.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 25, 2016, 04:24:56 AM
Probably a good idea since she would probably catch the flak from her husband leaving if she stayed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 25, 2016, 04:49:12 AM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...

Yeah. I consider him average in the ring. Plus, tell me one person who does a better powerbomb.
Kevin Nash
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 25, 2016, 05:47:23 AM
Disagree you're absolutely wrong. And how the hell is his work sloppy? Have you not seen his match with Cena, or Triple H, or his matches with Seth Rollins? He's not sloppy. He has a character and the moveset is based on said character. He's an unstoppable lunatic and he fights like that. He's one of the only few wrestlers whose personality can be felt in a match.

And he throws his entire body into that clothesline and I'm pretty sure if someone dives really how with his elbow and arm coming at you, you will fall down and it will more than likely hurt.

Oh wow, yeah, I can see how you could hate the upside down rope spots. Because heaven knows with the WWE style we have enough creativity. I mean, sometimes wrestlers punch, kick, chinlocks. I mean, we should all be satisfied with the template. :)

And say what you will, but he takes all the stupid garbage the WWE makes him do or say and he makes it work. Like last night, the stuff with Jericho and the jacket was way better than it should have been and I had no problem with it ending RAW on because...I WAS ENTERTAINED. On a night where not much was entertaining. I can always expect Dean to deliver more than anyone else on the WWE roster.

...Wait, why am I arguing with the guy who thinks Mabel vs Yokozuna is a classic? :)
Says the guy who says that Sid is a "5" in Skill...

Yeah. I consider him average in the ring. Plus, tell me one person who does a better powerbomb.
Kevin Nash

Jushin Liger
Kevin Owens
Claudio Castagnoli
Batista
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on May 25, 2016, 11:15:32 AM
Chris fucking Benoit

Look at this thing: https://gifs.com/gif/vZO6rl
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 25, 2016, 05:17:54 PM
WWE Poll: Who would you prefer to see leave Money in the Bank as WWE World Heavyweight Champion?

http://www.wwe.com/polls/who-would-you-prefer-see-leave-money-bank-wwe-world-heavyweight-champion?sf26858481=1

Rollins (The Heel) is currently getting four out of every five votes vs Reigns.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 26, 2016, 03:58:12 AM
Chris fucking Benoit

Look at this thing: https://gifs.com/gif/vZO6rl
That was legit one of the best powerbombs I have ever seen.

Big Show has some great ones against Scott Hall
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on June 02, 2016, 02:56:09 AM
R-Truth calling Byron "Coach" the entire time was freaking great. He should take Byron's spot on commentary. God knows somebody needs to.

I love Rollins' new sigil shirt. He probably had a big hand in designing it, because he's a huge fan of Blackcraft Cult and it resembles their type of stuff

Why do Samoans all think they're culturally black? You're fucking Polynesian, guy. Does Neo think he's black? I mean, fucking Jimmy Uso has said "nigga" multiple times on UpUpDownDown without even a side-eye from Creed. What the fuck

Titus is fucking gigantic. It's crazy that he's never really accomplished much in the WWE

Hahaha some dude had a Love Fist sign. fkn gr8

Cena looks like a clean-shaven Darren Young on his new shirt.

As much as I hate Cena, that moment between him and AJ (before the beatdown, obvs) was excellent, and I'm glad the audience and announcers respected the gravitas of the situation

I think this is the first time I've ever popped for Ziggler. That was fucking great

The 6 man tag was good, although it's a bit odd that the best wrestler in the match took the pinfall.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on June 07, 2016, 06:48:31 AM
When I saw Stephanie tearing down someone else within the first few minutes, I knew Raw was heading toward yet another shitty week. Seriously, why do that? Save satisfying her ego. It gets no one over.

Why is Becky playing second fiddle to Natalya? Does anyone want to see more feuding between Charlotte and Nattie? (https://m.popkey.co/8621c7/OwE0Q_s-200x150.gif)

Darren Young coming out of the closet is the only thing keeping him employed at this point. I cannot believe this jobber is still around while worthwhile guys like Barrett and Cody are gone.

The WWE's version of the Club is forgettable. It might as well be AJ and two random guys.

Why have they invested repeated vignette time in the Shining Stars? They have had several reboots, were never that special, and fans don't care anymore regardless.

Enzo and Cass are weird, but fun. I wish more of the product could say that.

Cena and Styles talking was completely anti-climatic. AJ hit Cena with the already used several times you can't really wrestle type themes. And Cena had his usual canned responses and general repetition which became stale years ago.

2016 looks to be shaping up as even worse than 2015. Which was the worst wwe/f year since the mid-90s. They cannot even put on a competent show with the entire roster. Unless writing receives some kind of Godly nirvana, Raw is going to be a complete trainwreck after the brand split.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on June 07, 2016, 09:22:39 AM
Titus is fucking gigantic. It's crazy that he's never really accomplished much in the WWE
He's kind of one-note on the mic (and his "Urrah urrah urrah!" thing is retarded), and he's pretty awful in the ring. Like, PTF would only give him an 8 out of 10 in Skill or something.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on June 07, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
"Guys like you bury guys like me" AJ breaking the 4-th wall, beat part of RAW
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 07, 2016, 03:02:48 PM
Well, the Shining Stars are around because--McMahon wants the videos that Carlos Calon owns!

Okay, from now on if we have more than one Diva in the ring to talk--can we just let Becky Lynch talk for everyone? And again...WHY THE HELL CAN'T SHE JUST BE CHAMPION?! She's the best in the ring and on the mic. Hell, I'd rather see her wrestle Charlotte a million times in a row before another rematch with Nattie.

But apparently Dana Brooks is the future because...Vince is insane. Dear lord, Live Smackdown's match with Becky Lynch and Dana will be something because Lynch couldn't carry her the last time on RAW.

And the Flair storyline is stupid. Why should I feel bad for Flair? He cheated for his daughter the entire time!!  Why is he important? She won the belt without his help.


Cass angry! CASS SMASH!!

Teddy Long seemed confused. Probably because no one could go One on one with Da UndaTakah!

Couldn't we do better than THE CLUB as a name?

...I so want to believe Dean Ambrose can win MitB--but I know I'll just get burned.

And I'll give Zayne and Del Rio credit for trying to make Del Rio's finisher something that makes sense...but it's still so stupid! I wonder who good Del Rio's money is because he was way more interesting in LU and fun to watch.

Well, everything's fun to watch in LU.

I'm actually really liking AJ vs Cena. This feud make so much sense. You have forty year old guys; one who has a fourteen year old boy's hair cut and another who dresses like one.

Poor Jack Swagger. He's one and 1,444.364 against Rusev.

Um, maybe it's just me, but shouldn't Titus wrestle to show he's deserving of a US title shot? I mean, y'know a match or something like that.

Man, what's up with the LU commercials. Now they're all bland instead of showing clips what's going to happen Wednesday. Seriously, I just watch a movie (Broken City this week) let RAW play out for two hours and the first thing I do is look for the LU commercial.

I bet Stephanie could break Teddy Long in half.



Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on June 08, 2016, 03:40:44 AM
No lie, I'd be into a Titus/Swagger tag team. Just two big hosses ripping shit up

Regardless of the monumental aspects of two of the most decorated wrestlers of all time squaring off, redneck vs wigger is a storyline that practically writes itself. This Cena/AJ thing might have wings. This is probably the first time I've ever actually liked Cena on the mic. That was good shit... until they involved The New Day

I'm sorry, but I can't stand Sami Zayn. I mean, he's a great wrestler, but fuck me he's a baby ass bitch.

I really hope they let Teddy Long take over Smackdown. He's fucking great

ADR is fucking awesome. He deserves Paige, I don't care how old he is

Downs Syndrome Barbie is ugly but thick af. I'm getting mixed feelings here

Fandango is really starting to resemble Rob Huebel. Weird.

Real talk: PN News is a much better rapper than R. Truth.

Aaaaand let the burial of The Club commence.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 08, 2016, 05:46:59 PM
Wait...Fandango actually DID something?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on June 08, 2016, 05:52:42 PM
Yeah, he sat patiently while Tyler Breeze shaved his back for him
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on June 21, 2016, 05:56:10 AM
I actually enjoyed the Laurenitis segment with Shane.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 22, 2016, 03:51:19 AM
Finally we have a world champion we can all be proud of. And I like how Dean was the one who made the Triple Threat match. Finally, a champion with some balls. Plus he beat up Reigns and Rollins, The Ratings Killers, so even better. Also fun bit with the taxi and the Cavs stuff after hearing the boos.

I got to admit...I like Reigns not taking any of the fans garbage instead of just smiling it off like normal. Oh, and ratings went up about thirty percent. Amazing what having a wrestler as world champion people want to see can do.

Becky Lynch needs to grab a steel chair and start killing some bitches. I mean, she's easily the nicest, loyal person in the entire women's division while everyone else is a total bitch. Sting never had to deal with this many betrayals!  Plus I just checked out the spoilers for Smackdown. Becky loses to Dana Brooke after interference and Sasha "Roman Reigns Bray Wyatt" Banks attacks Becky for no reason. Seriously, anyone liking any of the divas besides Becky makes less sense than voting for Donald Trump at this point.


Okay, I used to think "Gee, Titus and Cameron messed up a pin, can't do worse than that." Then Dana Brook being unable to put Charlotte's foot on the rope. Yep. Proved me wrong. How did that confuse her?!?

Zayne and Owens will be at war for all eternity.

I still don't get what people like about Sasha Banks. I mean, all I hear is "She's amazing" and then what I've seen. She's good. Very good on occasion. But not enough to be protected like she is. I mean, she's in the company as Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns. And she has no character. I admit, I haven't watched NXT

Oh, and Bray Wyatt is back and a heel because...yeah, why do something new. The Rock have about five minutes to spare? Am I the only one who did not miss him at all? Same with Orton? I just now thought of Orton. And it looks like he memorized Xavier Woods. Because....I dunno. Bray's magic.

Okay, I think the Make Darren Young Great Again is amusing...but what's the frickin' point? And when was he ever great? Personally, I think Trump stuff would be more pushed in the WWE...but I don't think Vince wants to make fun of his friend. Psychopaths have to stick together.

Well, Anderson's a punk. Seriously, couldn't he have at least put up a fight against the almighty Cena?

And I like heel AJ. Hate the name "The Club" Can't we just call it the Styles Club or something like that?

Baron Corbin. Man, I hate that such a cool nickname like "The Lone Wolf" is wasted on him. He'd make a good third member of the Accession though. When someone says "Hot young talent coming up from NXT" I'm beginning to associate it with "mid card American wrestler who went to Japan did awesome and will suddenly be good back in the USA now."

Enzo and Shane dancing was great. If the WWE splits up Cass and Enzo, they're idiots. And I've heard people split about Cass' mic skills. ...Look, I think he's decent, not as bad or as good as some say. Let him stay with Enzo. That'll help him right there. I think he could be something special in the future, but rushing it would be a mistake.

Ugh. Big Johnny. So many bad memories...such a horrid WWE time...Kinda funny here though.

Paige and Charlotte had a good match. And...Okay, wait. Why is Banks going to attack Lynch (someone who actually helped her) but didn't beat the crap out of Paige and celebrated with her?

Glad to see Titus showing realistic reaction to Rusev mocking him to his family. Now if he could go three minutes without being gassed.

Great match with Reigns and Rollins. And Dean on commentary was good. Either the WWE lets him ring it or he's super amazing taking stupid and turning it decent.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on June 23, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
Zayn, Ambrose and Rollins had a great segment on Smackdown. Rollins is a lot more tolerable on the mic when he's not opening every RAW with a 20 minute Authority promo.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 24, 2016, 08:36:25 PM
Agreed. I liked the match....until the finisher. Um, so Zayne walks through the ropes and gets put in the pedigree?

And now Dana Brooks has shown me the worse roll-up ever. I want to see her do a dropkick so we can rate it on the Erik Watts scale. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on July 02, 2016, 07:59:46 AM
Cesaro vs. Rusev was a good title match. Dana Brooke apparently has a tattoo on her butt thats normally covered; looks like a flower.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 06, 2016, 07:21:16 PM
Raw's rating hit a new modern low this week. (Yeah it was a holiday, but still.........)

7/4 Raw TV Ratings – Raw falls below 2.0 for first time in two decades

WWE Raw fell below a 2.o TV rating by a significant margin for the “Fourth of July” edition of WWE Raw, establishing an historical low-point for Raw.

WWE Raw TV Ratings Tracking

July 4: WWE Raw scored a 1.87 TV rating, down 15.4 percent from last week’s 2.21 rating.  (Which itself is very bad, I might add.)

After 1,200+ episodes, this week’s Raw ranks in the Bottom 3 lowest ratings in the history of the show, just above a few episodes in the mid-1990s that scored at 1.8.

– Raw’s three hours averaged 2.658 million viewers, down 14.1 percent (about 450,000 viewers) from last week.

All three hours hovered around the same figure throughout the show.

First Hour: 2.663 million viewers (down 433,000 from last week)
Second Hour: 2.668 million viewers (down 505,000 from last week)
Third Hour: 2.643 million viewers (down 368,000 from last week)

So many bad creative decisions are coming back to haunt them now. The product is just so sterile.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 06, 2016, 09:24:12 PM
To be fair, it was the highest rated show of the night.

But yeah...when Michael Cole points out how stupid the main event is...and he's right, you've got serious problems.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on July 06, 2016, 09:53:32 PM
The main event was one of the few things I actually enjoyed.  I always love huge tag matches
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 06, 2016, 09:57:51 PM
Yeah...but getting DQed for hitting someone who was already out of the match?

I thought Ambrose was the best thing on RAW...and has been for awhile.

And glad Becky's okay. Right on her head, ow.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on July 06, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Ambrose is garbage. I don't see the appeal.

KO is the best thing going on WWE tv right now, and it's not even close
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on July 07, 2016, 01:39:17 AM
They need to go back to 2hrs.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 07, 2016, 08:08:20 PM
yea 3 hours just to much

Also better not break up the new day
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 08, 2016, 01:06:28 AM
Ugh. Can't we have a few more weeks without Lawler? Otunga was doing really good.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on July 08, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
So, apparently Bret Hart is mad that Triple H has a higher score then him in WWE 2K16...I always wondered how some wrestlers felt about their scores tbh but Bret has surpassed Alan Moore levels of salt with this though.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 08, 2016, 10:03:39 AM
Okay, let me look this up.

...

Triple H is a point higher. Now what to think?.... Da-da-da...Bret Hart being lazy vs Triple and his boring style...um...

You know what, both are overrated so what's a point different? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 08, 2016, 10:58:12 AM
(puts prop in the sharpshooter)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 09, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
I am a speaker of truth...so you can believe me when I say The Rock has a better Sharpshooter than you!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 12, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
Finally out of ICU after that stupid rock can't take a joke! :)

Anyway thoughts on RAW

Zack Ryder loses when he shouldn't, the small luchadores lose, the black guy wins without earning it, the backwood hillbillies beat up some more african americas--yep, Vince is hear tonight.

First off--did anyone in the WWE watch that stupid ND vs WF film and go... "Yeah this is really good!" Because if they did--they're really, really stupid. It's like all the things that bad horror movies do that annoy me, the WWE did. If the LU producer thought Final Deletion sucked, he must be physically ill after seeing this.

Oh and when I think Wyatt Family my favorite song by Apocalypta springs into my head "I don't care, I DON'T care if you're dead or still alive." I swear the lameness and boringness of the Wyatts is actually making New Day not fun!

If there is one rule in wrestling it's this....John Cena is a horrible friend. Yeah, he wasn't as horrible as he normally is (just not being there for his friends) but why did he stay in the back instead of outside the ring to stop Styles from cheating?

Man, has Kalisto stock fallen further than London as a financial capital.

Wouldn't it have been even better, and funnier if Bob Backlund's crazy style of coaching actually helped Darren Young win instead of...him just being semi-conscious while the last two guys threw themselves over the top rope?

So Stephanie gets RAW and Shane gets Smackdown and each get to pick a commisioner and each commissioner goes out to get their own board of trustees and the board then appoints...

Owens is a great heel. Wish Cesaro hadn't had to eat a lose because he was getting so ov--oh. wait. No one in the WWE can get over. Keep forgetting.

Ambrose's promo was great and filled with emotion. And Seth is better when he's not Triple H's little lickboot.

Man, was that Sasha Banks vs Dana Brooks match bad. At least Becky Lynch was able to get some emotion in her matches with Dana. This was boring and I feel asleep watching it. I'm not joking, I fell asleep and woke up at three! And...WTF were they trying when it looks like Dana caught Sasha's knees then fell down like she was shot and--nevermind. It's over.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Ryder to win, Sheamus attack him after, then Rusev do the beatdown instead of...Ryder being a jobber again?


I liked the battle royal...then we had a lame finish. That ND/Wyatt stuff was garbage, we get the predictable GMs (yay), and the match that now gets along with Batman Begins and Superman Returns in being able to render me unconscious by sheer boredom. I'm not joking, I've never fallen asleep during any wrestling show. Not even Paragon wrestling. The WWE is just bland, and satisfied with not having anyone be a top star save for Cena and probably Roman Reigns when he comes back.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 12, 2016, 04:25:36 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't stand Sami Zayn. I mean, he's a great wrestler, but fuck me he's a baby ass bitch.

Zayn is almost totally unappealing on the main roster.

Sami's mic work is disappointing. He has basically the same bland persona as guys like Creed and Neville. He looks like someone that should be selling pot out of a trailer in the Oregon woods. And he hops to the ring. That is so dorky looking. Who fucking hops?

Hopefully Owens kicks his ass one last time and moves onto better things.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 12, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
that an he looks like Seth Rogen
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 19, 2016, 08:31:39 PM
twp steroid guys got nominated
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 19, 2016, 08:51:31 PM
ok. Dont get one thing

if a tag team counts as one pick..if your going to draft someone from the tag team..why not draft the whole tag team. You cna always split them up. Storyline has a huge flaw right in that
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 19, 2016, 09:03:32 PM
Hey, I'd like to see Bray without the other useless Wyatts. At least it would be different.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 19, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Smackdown looks fucking TERRIBLE right now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 19, 2016, 09:44:41 PM
Yeah. Corbin and Nattie? WTF?

And I don't get why RAW gets three picks. From what I get, they're getting all the cruiserweights.

And Smackdown...no way in hell would anyone draft like they have in the last few rounds. Nattie being drafted during the show is horrible itself.

But I actually think Smackdown will be the better show because the Smackdown bookers (if they keep the current ones) are much better than the RAW bookers. RAW is going to be crowded and not get ratings.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on July 19, 2016, 10:15:40 PM
Raw has to fill 3 hr is why they get more picks.  I was hoping Reign and Cena would be on the same show so I can avoid both of them.  And yeah Smackdown did a terrible job of draft.  Also why does Raw get the Cruiserweight and the Women's title?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 19, 2016, 10:22:45 PM
Raw has to fill 3 hr is why they get more picks.  I was hoping Reign and Cena would be on the same show so I can avoid both of them.  And yeah Smackdown did a terrible job of draft.  Also why does Raw get the Cruiserweight and the Women's title?

and tag teams champs
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 19, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
Where did Fandango end up?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 19, 2016, 11:47:44 PM
Where did Fandango end up?

Who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on July 20, 2016, 12:28:42 AM
Where did Fandango end up?

Who gives a shit?

Obviously I do you dumb nigger.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on July 20, 2016, 01:02:26 AM
Don't fuck with the Dango
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 20, 2016, 03:09:40 AM
http://411mania.com/wrestling/complete-list-of-draft-picks-made-on-smackdown/

Yuck. I get RAW's the top show...but couldn't they have made the draft a little believable because no one with half a brain would draft like Smackdown did.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 20, 2016, 07:01:51 AM
If only Raw and Smackdown could trade Reigns for Cena (or Styles or Dean, but I'll take Cena), I'd be much more in support of Raw. There is virtually nothing about Smackdown I want to watch.

I had a thought, though... anyone else afraid that Balor is going to be relegated to the cruiserweight division on Raw and never allowed to move any higher?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 20, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
Everyone has a spot in the WWE. And they stay in that spot unless the fans totally revolt or wrestlers keep getting hurt and top stars get suspensions.

Maybe he'll be high on the card...but NXT guys normally don't get good treatment.

And am I the only one amazed out how much Daniel Bryan out popped Mick Foley that badly?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 20, 2016, 08:26:14 AM
Everyone has a spot in the WWE. And they stay in that spot unless the fans totally revolt or wrestlers keep getting hurt and top stars get suspensions.

Maybe he'll be high on the card...but NXT guys normally don't get good treatment.

And am I the only one amazed out how much Daniel Bryan out popped Mick Foley that badly?

Nah. Bryan's run was short, but he is legitimately one of the most over guys of all time. If he'd been healthy enough to have another 2 years after WM30, he'd be clearly in the Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena territory all-time.

Foley is popular and highly regarded, but Bryan was a phenomenon.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 20, 2016, 09:53:48 AM
If only Raw and Smackdown could trade Reigns for Cena (or Styles or Dean, but I'll take Cena), I'd be much more in support of Raw. There is virtually nothing about Smackdown I want to watch.

I had a thought, though... anyone else afraid that Balor is going to be relegated to the cruiserweight division on Raw and never allowed to move any higher?

Hell kind of makes me think Vince likes Steph more
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 20, 2016, 06:11:41 PM
Everyone has a spot in the WWE. And they stay in that spot unless the fans totally revolt or wrestlers keep getting hurt and top stars get suspensions.

Maybe he'll be high on the card...but NXT guys normally don't get good treatment.

And am I the only one amazed out how much Daniel Bryan out popped Mick Foley that badly?

Nah. Bryan's run was short, but he is legitimately one of the most over guys of all time. If he'd been healthy enough to have another 2 years after WM30, he'd be clearly in the Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena territory all-time.

Foley is popular and highly regarded, but Bryan was a phenomenon.

Yeah, but it wasn't even a competition.

And the WWE could have had years of Daniel Bryan...but they decided no...very often.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 20, 2016, 06:26:54 PM
I don't think the WWE brand is popular enough to have any more Hulks, Rocks, or Stone Colds.

Bryan could have been the next Cena and maybe even surpassed him though. (Longevity is the major question mark there.) For that matter I think Angle or Brock might have been "The Guy" instead had they hung around. Jericho had the raw ability to be as big as Cena too imo. But Trips didn't see it that way so..........
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 20, 2016, 10:38:37 PM
The problem is the WWE doesn't want a top guy because they're afraid he'll leave them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on July 20, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
Angel was The Guy in TNA that was neat.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on July 21, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Dana Brooke looked fine af on Monday and Tuesday. I don't know how she made her face non-ugly this week, but she needs to hook Summer Rae up with it. Sexy lil meatball

Wtf is going on with Bray's hair? Are those dreads?

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 21, 2016, 07:15:58 AM
Dana has usually been overshadows by fucking gorgeous Evil Emma, but she's pretty damn good looking herself.

Especially next to Charlotte now.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on July 21, 2016, 05:47:09 PM
I actually thought her face looked like garbage usually, but I think it was just the super dark makeup she was wearing
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on July 21, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Dana's an attractive woman. She just kind of gets lost in the shuffle with the large women's roster and elite types that get more attention in that regard (Lana, Maryse, Becky, etc.)

They bought her up too early. Though given she was to partner with Emma like in NXT, I get why.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 21, 2016, 06:57:18 PM
She looks okay, but yeah, she needed more time in NXT.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: kensai on July 21, 2016, 08:09:46 PM
I agree, she does need a little more seasoning in NXT
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 25, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Wow. Great RAW. Gotta give it to Sasha Banks for making it all click. I love how she was actually smart enough to fake interference to get rid of Dana. Finally a smart babyface.

And...I don't know about anyone else, but I hate Pokemon Go. I hate that people's imaginary friends are invading my home.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on July 26, 2016, 08:47:16 AM
I regret so hard that I did not go to Raw last night.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 27, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
so ziggler the no 1 contender. Surprising.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: pittfox on July 27, 2016, 04:48:52 PM
Yeah Smackdown shitting the bed with that one.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 27, 2016, 07:28:13 PM
...Yeah. Apparently Vince was too tired for RAW, but by Tuesday...

Oh, and apparently Becky Lynch said something to make someone mad and that's why she lost on the PPV.

Man, it must suck being in the WWE because if you do or say the wrong thing at any given time, you're punished. And sometimes you're punished for nothing at all.

And Del Rio might not be in the WWE much longer as his contract expires in October and he is not happy. Vince promised him a big push, but then Hunter said "nah-uh". And he's also upset that him and his girlfriend (Paige) are separated in their travel now. So maybe LU will be getting him back. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on July 27, 2016, 10:22:55 PM
dont get the Jobbing of Becky

She hot..cleary hot so not a baily situation
and fans like her

what the fuck WWE problem
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on August 02, 2016, 03:48:39 AM
I saw a clip of her at the recent Comicon ( LA I think? ) offering an impassioned affirmation of the women's division's value that likewise verged on outright criticism of the shitty booking that's plagued it for so long. It was the kinda rant that immediately made me think there'd forthcoming consequences soon after. Probably didn't do her any favors at least.

I hope the Connecticut WWE offices comes down with a Zika infestation.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 03, 2016, 07:22:32 PM
One thing I don't understand is why Lynch wears ring attire that doesn't compliment her so much. The lady has some seriously nice abs. It would not hurt to show the merchandise more often. She has obviously worked hard for that body. Why constantly cover it in bulky looking outfits?

Alas I think Vince/Trips just don't rate her and if that is the case there is often nothing one can do to overcome it. The people who are getting star pushes were always going to get those star pushes. Regardless of whether their main roster work and popularity warranted it or not. And vice versa.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 04, 2016, 06:58:21 PM
"So Brock did drugs and it's a national story?"

"So he's off Summerslam as a point to show how seriously we--"

"Hell no! In fact, he gets to win, keep winning, and we'll even give the guy we don't use a raise because he wants us to."

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 10, 2016, 08:15:57 AM
Raw received it's third worst rating since 1997. And has lost a full third of it's audience since the last Summer Olympics four years ago.

The NFL is going to annililate them for months on end. Can't say they don't deserve it either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on August 10, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
Raw received it's third worst rating since 1997. And has lost a full third of it's audience since the last Summer Olympics four years ago.

The NFL is going to annililate them for months on end. Can't say they don't deserve it either.

Roman Reigns isn't in the main event, so people aren't watching, dammit! Get these vanilla midgets out of the spotlight!



I actually think WWE's been on a slight uptick for a few months now. It's absolutely better regularly than it has been at any point since CM Punk's heyday (outside of a few outlying great moments like WM30 or WM31). It's still got a lot of flaws, yeah, but I think it's out of the valley it was dying in for 2014-2015.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 10, 2016, 08:50:25 AM
I think Raw had a one week revival of sorts after the roster split. For me it is heading back down to what it usually has been. Thank God for FFing ability.

Honestly flaws and all I liked the Shield and Bryan times more than this.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 17, 2016, 09:33:44 PM
I cringe every time Lana says that Rusev is "the only man that can have me". What a fucking cringey thing to say.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 17, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
I cringe every time Lana says that Rusev is "the only man that can have me". What a fucking cringey thing to say.

Dont hate. You know The Russian penis is superior. Strengthen by the Russian Winter
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 17, 2016, 10:54:25 PM
Hahaha fucking WWE billing Jimmy Uso at the same height as Aiden English and Jason Jordan. And only one inch shorter than Mojo Rawley when Mojo is over a head taller than Jimmy. Fuck WWE, man

Where's Oats when you need him
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on August 18, 2016, 05:20:41 AM
Ziggler has been wrecking Ambrose on the mic. Hope he wins at SS
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 18, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
I hope they both lose somehow
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on August 18, 2016, 01:52:18 PM
I'm just hoping they don't fuck up and have Balor lose his first match as The Demon.

And leave it to WWE to take the awesome demon gimmick Balor has always rolled with and give it a stupid branding. The whole "Demon King" thing is getting cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 18, 2016, 02:38:28 PM
Every time they said it I kept expecting Kane to pop up
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on August 22, 2016, 03:22:50 AM
I cringe every time Lana says that Rusev is "the only man that can have me". What a fucking cringey thing to say.
How did they resolve the whole "Lana & Ziggler have the pairing with the least chemistry in wrestling history" thing? Were they just faking to screw with Ziggler?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Mightily Oats on August 22, 2016, 04:08:49 AM
Holy fuck

Ganondorf in the WWE?!?!?! :-*
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 22, 2016, 11:23:48 AM
I have a question about The Demon King thing. Is it supposed to be shot like The Boogeyman or was it different in NXT?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 22, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Another question: Who the hell designed that horrible Universal belt? Yuck.

Also...Seth Rollins, stop using that powerbomb throw. I mean, yeah, it looks cool, but you injured a guy and retired a legend with it. Stop making me agree with Bret Hart. I don't like it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on August 22, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Does anyone else find it retarded that people have to give up the belt due to injury?  They still won the damn thing.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Ditto on August 22, 2016, 10:00:31 PM
Dana Brooke is ugly af.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on August 22, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Baylee's face makes Summer's look normal.

And I'm pretty sure Cole called her Bayleaf
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Ditto on August 22, 2016, 10:07:13 PM
She could certainly use that chin as a weapon
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on August 23, 2016, 02:42:05 AM
That Dangerous Motherfucker, Seth Rollins. That's my unofficial new nickname for this radioactive sonuvabitch.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Jabroniville on August 23, 2016, 06:32:35 AM
It fills my heart with glee that WWE's brand new, Brand Split-showcasing title will now permanently have "First Champion: Finn Balor (1 day reign)- held in Abeyance" on it. Right at the beginning, where nobody can ignore it. A fucking "Kane" Title reign.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 23, 2016, 10:06:01 AM
First time I've seen Bayley. She looked really good. She should have just dominated Dana Brook though because...

...How the hell do you mess up ramming your head into the turnbuckle?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 23, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
missed the first part of smackdown. Why did Ziggler attack styles
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 23, 2016, 08:49:56 PM
man the divas switch from face to heel so fast

it almost like their horribly..horribly written.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Hamburglar on August 24, 2016, 01:48:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqmHorCVYAAHsMs.jpg)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 24, 2016, 05:59:02 AM
If it weren't for Rusev and Owens, I doubt I would even follow Raw.

I'm looking forward to Becky getting some shine in the Smackdown Women's division. There is more room to grow than on Raw for the ladies.

I'm hoping the Usos do not win the tag titles. Those guys are crap.

Dana Brooke is lost on the main roster. Apollo Crews was bought up too early as well. NxT needs to do a better job of fleshing out personalities. The ringwork is strong generally but they are struggling in terms of building all around talents.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 24, 2016, 09:07:05 AM
Early on, the showed the locker room and AJ was bragging about beating Cena and while Ziggler was moping about losing, AJ was a smart ass to him about losing and they had a fight.

And, I like that Smackdown does stuff like showing what's going on backstage or small interviews to start their show.

Man, people complain about the new music guy of the WWE--but at least he tries unlike whoever redesigns belts. But while not inspired they actually do look like an improvement over the RAW tag belts and women's championship. Seriously, who uses bronze?

Love the fans supporting Becky Lynch and giving her a chant when Bryan brought up who could be the face of the Smackdown women's division. Too bad Vince won't listen and Nikki will win.

Also, love the fans cheering and clapping for Carmella attacking Nikki Bella from behind. That was hilarious.

For the love of god, please stop putting Nattie on commentary!

Anyway this was probably the best show after the draft and after the first week being bad, Smackdown has been better booked. Heck, it actually feels like there is a tag team division and women's division where on RAW it feels like only two teams or two or three women wrestler's exist.

I think the slow turn for Ziggler will really help get him back in the spot light as it's being really done well.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on August 24, 2016, 05:44:02 PM
Damn, I just watched the clip of Miz and Daniel Bryan talking, and I don't think the Miz ever had a better promo, ever.

Hell, this shit is seriously powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4SLA4HYp0
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 25, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Watching Raw finally.

-Why in the hell should Finn have to give up the title? Champions only defend like twice a year anyway

-Although if this leads to KO as Universal champion, I'll suck HHH's knobby dick

-Who the fuck gave Titus a mic? I agree that WWE should feature black guys because diversity or whatever, but that doesn't mean you're required to give them a mic.

-Stop pushing Cass as a singles wrestler. You really want this dopey goof as your champion? fuck you

-So Charlotte just cut a white supremacist promo, right? Is that what I just saw?

-Did anybody else notice the trophy wife milf with the pink tank top in the front row? Hard to pay attention to Foley when she's in the background tossing out that cleavage

-I am so gd excited for Bayley on the main roster. She's one of the most talented female wrestlers in the world, she's adorable af, she's a great role model for young fans inside and outside the ring, and she's got ass for days. What's not to love?

-Fuck Roman

-Johnny Cockout is my new favorite wrestler, bar none.

-Fuck Roman again
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on August 25, 2016, 03:21:49 AM
Early on, the showed the locker room and AJ was bragging about beating Cena and while Ziggler was moping about losing, AJ was a smart ass to him about losing and they had a fight.

And, I like that Smackdown does stuff like showing what's going on backstage or small interviews to start their show.

Man, people complain about the new music guy of the WWE--but at least he tries unlike whoever redesigns belts. But while not inspired they actually do look like an improvement over the RAW tag belts and women's championship. Seriously, who uses bronze?

Love the fans supporting Becky Lynch and giving her a chant when Bryan brought up who could be the face of the Smackdown women's division. Too bad Vince won't listen and Nikki will win.

Also, love the fans cheering and clapping for Carmella attacking Nikki Bella from behind. That was hilarious.

For the love of god, please stop putting Nattie on commentary!

Anyway this was probably the best show after the draft and after the first week being bad, Smackdown has been better booked. Heck, it actually feels like there is a tag team division and women's division where on RAW it feels like only two teams or two or three women wrestler's exist.

I think the slow turn for Ziggler will really help get him back in the spot light as it's being really done well.

Fuck smackdown was really good.  Honestly I was only watching because I wanted to see what the new belts look like (wish they were more creative) and ended up watching the whole thing.  Can't remember the last time I did that.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 25, 2016, 04:12:30 AM
On to Smackdown:


-It's well known that Becky Lynch is the absolute light of my life, but fucking fuck Carmella is growing on me. The character is too over the top for my tastes, but she is one of the most objectively sexy women in WWE history

-The new championships look baller af, especially the women's. I dig it

-I was legit marking out hoping that Slater would land an A-lister like Miz as his partner, even though it obviously wasn't going to happen.

-Hahaha Jimmy Uso somehow grew an inch in one week from his already ridiculous billed height of 6'2. He's taller than Jason Jordan and as tall as Mojo Rawley now. He'll be eye to eye with Shaq by the next Wrestlemania

-That match was 10x better than an Ascension/Usos match has any right to be.

-Hahaha Nikki's return is the "biggest comeback since Lazarus". God I love Mauro so damn much

-Carmella as a straight up psycho works. I love it. Just turn her into a heel Enzo that can actually wrestle and she has top tier written all over her

-Punk rock ghost Bray Wyatt is the best Bray Wyatt

-OHMYGOD ARN FUCKING ANDERSON YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

-Rhyno? meh

-Man I love American Alpha, but am I the only one who thinks they're probably fucking on the dl?

-Holy shit, Breezango took American Alpha to the limit. Excellent match. I hope they keep this up because both those guys are too talented to be relegated to comedy jobber status

-hahaha "They're going at it like a dentist and a carpenter, John: TOOTH AND NAIL". Marry me, Dad Joke Mauro

-I HATE this new chick doing interviews. What a nasally cunt "Well, actually..."

-Just spitballing here, but what's keeping AJ Styles from dropping 13 pounds and holding the WWE Heavyweight and Cruiserweight Championships at the same time? Now that would be a fitting reward for all his accomplishments

-I still don't like Ziggler, but he's really starting to grow on me the last couple weeks. That Zig-Zag on AJ was one of the best I've ever seen
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Necro on August 25, 2016, 05:57:31 AM
...you know, I cannot remember the last time I've seen you so gushing about something.

I am now actually tempted to give Smackdown a watch.
Maybe it is the show we should always had?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 25, 2016, 09:25:38 AM
I find Carmella quite intriguing too. She, Becky, and Alexa could be a nice trio to build around longterm.

Smackdown is worth a try, Nec.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 25, 2016, 01:25:43 PM
Smackdown is making the most of their roster.

RAW on the other hand...okay, I remember Braun's opponents more than I remember him. Why? Because they're way more interesting in the short time they've been given to talk.

If you could combine Cass and Enzo, you'd have a great wrestler. And yeah, Cass needs to stay a tag wrestler for awhile because, I gotta go with LittleKuriboh, Cass sounds like an eight grader doing his book report.

RAW Women's division has the three biggest names....but they seem to be the only women wrestlers they have. I'm not counting Dana because that is an insult to them. Seriously, how do you mess up head + turnbuckle?

Smackdown actually has a women's division and a Smackdown tag title division.

Am I the only one who feels this way about the Zayne-Rollins matches they're great but the finish stinks. I mean Rollins just his the pedigree so casually.

Am I the only one who hates how bad Bryan and Shane seem at their jobs? Stephanie and Mick land the Cruiserweights and they sign Bayley. WTF?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on August 25, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
Raw is always gonna get preferred treatment .
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 25, 2016, 03:09:39 PM
Well Raw tends to come after a pay per view. So yea they going to get the better guys because of it

Smackdown Live, so I would do more wild things, and more surprising turns to take advatage of them. Would see belts change on Smackdown more if I was them.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 25, 2016, 03:55:37 PM
...you know, I cannot remember the last time I've seen you so gushing about something.

I am now actually tempted to give Smackdown a watch.
Maybe it is the show we should always had?

Honestly, this past Smackdown was the best all around wrestling show from top to bottom that I think I've seen in years
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 25, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
I don't think Raw actually has better people. Save a handful, their roster is dominated by two types :

1. Vince's favorites for pushing
2. High workrate / low personality types

It's a bigger roster, but given the extra hour it has to be.

Hell they cannot even do a women's division properly despite having most of the star power. Paige seems burned out. Sasha isn't the same on the main roster and needs to reign in her style lest the injuries mount up. We were literally one Bayley call up away from possibly seeing Charlotte vs Nia. Which no one would care about.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 25, 2016, 04:12:08 PM
Oh yeah. I forgot about Nia Jax. Guess it helps that you see most of the Smackdown roster every week.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on August 30, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
In case you forgot HHH is the most important man in WWE, he reminded you last night.

It's so frustrating that he's so god damn good with NXT and creative, but he's still making everyone else look like idiots all the time and squashing people on the main roster.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on August 30, 2016, 08:05:30 PM
so the storyline brock does what he wants and no cosquences. it truly is the reality era.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 30, 2016, 08:25:26 PM
You know what I'd like to see, someone defeat Braun and then Stephanie and Shane go insane trying to sign the guy.

Won't happen because it would be interesting.

Seriously, am I the only one who thinks it's stupid to let the jobbers show more personality than the monsters? There role should be silence while being killed.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 31, 2016, 01:59:31 AM
And Kevin Owens finally gets his reward for being the most entertaining person on the roster
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on August 31, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
I'm happy KO won.

But I'm unhappy it came at Finn's expense.

And I'm unhappy it was done in such a way that only HHH got a rub from it.

So meh.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on August 31, 2016, 06:05:16 PM
I hope Owens gets a quality title run. He deserves that.

Looks like Seth is headed toward becoming a face and a likely blowoff match with Trips at a major PPV in the near future. ( Maybe 'Mania, though that is more than seven months away.) Maybe Trips screws him further at the Rumble to set that up?

Bayley and The New Day are a fun combo with natural chemistry. Bayley is literally all that is holding interest in the Raw Women's division together at this point.

Jericho's use of the Liontamer was a cool look back way to end a match.

I was not that big initially on Gallows and Anderson. They felt like generic guys behind Styles. But the split has really invigorated them. They are doing different and fun character work now.

Amber O'Neal (Gallows wife) is ready to kill a bitch in Dana.

Miz continues to be an amazing pure heel heat traditional style character.

Either Becky or Nikki is going to be the first Smackdown Women's Champion. I'm hoping for the former.

Lots of time devoted to furthering storylines and characters on Smackdown. I approve. Even if the Rhyno/Slater segment was more weird than useful. (Slater is good though.)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on August 31, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
I love Slater but that whole segment was cringeworthy af
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on October 25, 2016, 10:56:27 PM
I want NXT Sasha back. The contract signing segment between her, Charlotte, and Foley was cringey as hell.

It's like her mic and acting skills have abandoned her. She should not be a face either.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on October 26, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
Tonight's Alexa vs Becky segment was an effective way of building a women's feud. Good mic work, simple straightforward storytelling, no bs feminist speak, no endless childhood hero quoting.

Don't constantly keep telling everyone how great something is. Show them and let things speak for themselves instead. Fuck a Monday Night Raw.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2016, 08:00:19 AM
I think Smackdown's pretty good considering they have to bring in the Spirit Squad and Headbangers. It's the island of misfit toys and they are somehow making it work.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2016, 08:06:47 PM
:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on October 31, 2016, 01:01:56 PM
AJ is taking losses to a jobber, and KO is part of a comedy duo. WTF.
At least KO administered an old school beat down this week.

 The mid card titles are in the hands of the two most boring faces on either show. The better men chasing them stuck with shitty angles (Mother Rusev/male cheer leaders, really?!?) while doing so. 

The only things i've enjoyed recently is seeing Goldberg out of nostalgia, the already mentioned KO beating on Rollins, and surprisingly the Strowman/Zane bits last couple of weeks.


The Spirit Squad and Ellsworth have overstayed their welcomes. Both might work better in very small amounts. The jokes get old quite quickly.

Reigns needs to turn heel because he is a boring face and fans will not accept him as such anymore. Ziggler was fine with Miz initially, but the angle is dying now. In effect they have substituted an effective smartass champion for a rather generic one.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Kallor on October 31, 2016, 01:30:05 PM
With Reigns it's too late now, but it was textbook booking 101 how they needed to deal with him at the beginning of the fan backlash.  I've seen WWF/WCW do this a hundred times:

-heel turn with some cathartic booking where Reigns takes some beatings by currently popular wrestlers
-fan sentiment starts to calm down, Reigns becomes a threatening heel
-Reigns teams with another heel or heel faction
-other heel turns on Reigns
-Reigns is a face

This takes a significant amount of time, sure, but its better than the wrestler completely losing their viability.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 02, 2016, 01:21:27 PM
I don't think it's too late. Everyone was saying "Why push Ziggler" and now everyone is back into him again. You just need to put him in a storyline and maybe give him a script that doesn't suck and quote Spongebob to give him a chance.

Oh, and another great Smackdown. And are they teasing Miz jumping to RAW? Damn, WWE, let Smackdown have something!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 02, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
With Reigns it's too late now, but it was textbook booking 101 how they needed to deal with him at the beginning of the fan backlash.  I've seen WWF/WCW do this a hundred times:

-heel turn with some cathartic booking where Reigns takes some beatings by currently popular wrestlers
-fan sentiment starts to calm down, Reigns becomes a threatening heel
-Reigns teams with another heel or heel faction
-other heel turns on Reigns
-Reigns is a face

This takes a significant amount of time, sure, but its better than the wrestler completely losing their viability.

That's basically what they did with Ryback.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on November 02, 2016, 03:51:21 PM
Reigns already is a heel, and I am convinced that WWE intentionally knows what they are doing with him. They have found a formula to create a heel that the fans WON'T end up thinking is cool and cheering for. HHH has a notorious love for the Ric Flair principle (heel champion who fans will pay to see because they want to see him get his comeuppance and lose) while Vince loves the Hogan principle (heroic babyface champion that kids will love and their parents' spend money on). With Reigns, they have found a way to make a guy who is BOTH (admittedly, this was something they'd stumbled upon with Cena, but I think they're being a little more blatant about it with Reigns after seeing how Cena was able to capitalize on it so well).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
I think the Spirit Squad and Ellsworth are awesome.

The SS look really good in the ring and I wish their match with America Alpha had lasted a bit longer. And Ellsworth has been perfect in his role. You're both just upset that that WWE Shopzone keep selling out of his T-shirt.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 15, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Various RAW thoughts.

Yeah Steph I'm sure you'll fire them. And so what if they win or lose. You're still going to be a bitch to them and make all their lives miserable. You want to motivate them. Anyone who gets eliminated has to clean Foley's hair and beard...with their tongues. That would motivate them.

Who's the best member of The Shield? Dean Ambrose beat both their punk asses in a triple threat and had Roman Reign's own cousins carry him over their shoulders after winning.


Brian Kendrick is the new Chavo. He's not good, has no likeable personality and he gets in the way of much better wrestlers who should have his spot. Actually, Chavo's better on the mic...ARGH. I complimented Chavo! And he managed to suck so bad the crowd turned on the match. You know you suck when the fans get POed when the match doesn't end.

Stephanie and Mick Foley building a team by destroying another one of your teams. Because Stephanie is a dumb bitch and Mick Foley is a sad clown.

And can we stop pretending Foley is a nice guy. He helped set up Shane and Bryan. Just like last time, he's still an asshole GM. Only he doesn't have just Christian and Edge to torment.

So I guess Team Smackdown Live is the clear cut face. And I'd like to say thank you to Dean Ambrose. Seriously, that massive fight should not have taken that friggin' long!!

Why does the RAW women's team need team building? The only way they lose against team Smackdown is if it's single elimination and someone is dumb enough to tag in Alicia Fox. That's the mistake Nia Jax made.

Emmalina is coming---Maybe in another few months. And why Emmalina? I mean, I get why she went to RAW (because Zack Ryder is not allowed to be happy) but the new gimmick when she was doing so well with the new heel turn? Plus I liked the evil happy music.

I kind of like how The cruiserweights think. Kendrick sucks and if they move to Smackdown--they have bosses who are not sadists and morons. And apparently Mauro will be the commentator for the new cruiserweight show. Hm...what could this mean for the future of the cruiserweight division?

I hate Shane McMahon is on team Smackdown. Is Kane too busy? I'm kind of hoping UT joins team Smackdown. I know he won't happen...but a man can dream.

Remember when New Day used to win and be the most fun part of RAW. Well, okay they still probably are the best thing on RAW, but they were way more fun before.

If anyone beats the hell out of Corey Graves, they will be my favorite wrestler. Even Kendrick.

Goldberg vs security #14. 236. And Brock continues to earn that massive contract by coming to the arena, breathing, and walking in and out of the ring.

What happened to Epico? I remember him not being pudgy? Stupid Caribbeans are too relaxing.

Hah. see Gallows and Anderson are jerks. Just making sure after all this time you get that.

Well, election's over. Back to Bo Dallas being a loser. And you know Vince wanted to do something else with this election but couldn't because he's friends with that piece of shit Trump. #Notmypresident.

Rollins as a face is not working. Maybe because he keeps attacking people more over than him.

Jericho: Who are you?

That's James Ellsworth. He's the most over person in the WWE and is better booked than Kevin Owens.

When we finally got to the fight it was actually pretty good (minus Shane).
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on December 13, 2016, 06:59:53 AM
Damn, I was really hoping they were going to trade Zayn to Smackdown where he might actually get used well. Instead he is just getting sac'ed to Braun at Roadblock.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 13, 2016, 08:34:18 AM
Yeah, you could hear the crowd cheer about the signing and...they just seemed so disappointed.

"Oh, so we're not getting Zayne vs Styles?"

And he doesn't need to win, just last ten minutes. So he can get the crap kicked out of him and be a winner because he went the distance.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Strawman Abridged on December 15, 2016, 11:10:32 PM
Kevin Owens' portly shuffle is the the greatest
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
Zack Ryder, the only guy I know who can get pinned twice in a single elimination tournament and find ways to lose even when he wins. :)

But hope he gets well. I like the Hype Bros. I actually like the entire SD division and still POed they jobbed to RAW's at SS. Useless ass fifty-fifty booking.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 24, 2016, 09:52:45 AM
Yeah, Enzo is SAWFT.

And...couldn't Bayley just get the straight up win? Charlotte was in a grueling iron man match (barring McMahon's idiotic finish that makes no sense) and she was overconfident. I mean, god forbid Charlotte ever look bad for a good bit of time.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on December 24, 2016, 06:10:57 PM
hell charlote made Sasha bleed all over the place
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2017, 10:13:53 AM
Well, Smackdown was better than RAW, also the sky is still blue. :)

Sigh, if only Becky Lynch could get half the push Charlotte gets.

I'm actually starting to like Baron Corbin now. He's actually showing he can hang in the main event. He's doing his fair share in matches.

Love the promos with AJ and Cena.

Dean Ambrose wins the IC belt. And Talking Smack with the Miz going insane was great. I also liked the ref not doing the DQ because it's not like a slap could actually hurt Ambrose. Also the Miz exploding goes with what Ambrose wanted: to take away what mattered most to the Miz.

Dolph ziggler's heel turn makes sense with him being frusterated at how he can't seem to prove to himself how great he is. Plus it'll be nice to see Kalisto get more main storyline time. The guy is too talented to waste.

Luke Harper: ...

Randy Orton: RUN.

(Randy walks away)

Harper: Prick.

Seriously, the angle with Orton slowly dissolving the Wyatt family so it's now him vs Wyatt alone has been great and well done. Even some instances where you went there is no swerve coming.

Man, I wish the cruiserweights were on Smackdown. They'd get more than the two minutes they get on RAW to do something.

New brunette announce lady needs work still. But she's hot so that's really what matters.

Liked how you actually show the face lockeroom reacting to Ziggler turning heel and Crews sticking up for his friend.

Poor Ellsworth. Just a pawn in the game of life.

Breezango. I still believe in you guys and your incredible fashion.

I'm thinking La Luchadora is Tamina. If so...couldn't we keep the bad wrestlers on RAW?

Why are Daniel Bryan and Shane better than Stephanie and Mick. They don't show up all the time and actually have good arguments and use logic. That and they don't cut the knees out from the wrestlers when they do interact. STEPHANIE.

Smackdown is proof that quality trumps quantity. There's a part of me that wants Smackdown to keep winning the ratings so RAW will have to improve...but there's a bigger part of me that knows the WWE will make Smackdown more like RAW? Why--because McMahon's insane.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on January 04, 2017, 01:42:52 PM
hey is dean and the annoucher chick a couple in real life. Saw them together in some interviews and they have natural chemisty, where she looking at hom with "I am so going to suck this guys dick later" eyes.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2017, 03:42:34 PM
Yep, him and Rene Young are dating. Further proof that Ambrose is the best member of The Shield. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 14, 2017, 09:57:14 AM
And there goes the ultimate friendship.

Also, am I the only one who thinks Big Cass needs to dump Enzo? Seriously, stop picking fights with everyone!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on February 14, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Enzo and Cass have become a real tired act. They do the same shtick, almost to the word, all the time. It's amusing for a short while but gets old fast.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 14, 2017, 12:14:28 PM
If you could just take Enzo's charisma and mic skills and put it in Cass, we'd have a pretty good wrestler. But yeah, Enzo is bad in the ring. But he is funny and I do like him, so I'm willing to tolerate him for the most part...at least until the last few months.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 17, 2017, 05:06:12 AM
Hell yeah. She a cutie.

I remember  when she ate floor cake
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 18, 2017, 05:22:20 PM
Nah what it sounds like cake on the floor.  I only found it funny because Seth and a few other were messing with her and a few others for doing it.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 21, 2017, 09:24:12 AM
Only reason I watched was I heard the Rock was there.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: altoon on February 21, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
apparently he was at the arena but didn't appear on RAW
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on February 21, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
he did apparently direct some stuff for the Paige biopic though




that still puzzles me.....Paige has a biopic. I'm not complaining but that's pretty out of left as far as projects go
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on February 21, 2017, 09:40:06 PM
Only caught the main event on RAW tonight, but it was worth it.
Big Show did a fine job putting Strowman over. Strowman did a fine job letting him, and then he broke Reigns.

did he?

I watched the match and yeah that was pretty good (and they need more main events like that. not exactly the typical RAW mold for main events) but as soon as Roman entered I was like "nope."
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Speed of Zound on February 22, 2017, 04:23:51 AM
Great cruiserweight action from Show and Braun last RAW
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 22, 2017, 07:43:20 AM
Luke Harper got screwed!!!

Also...damn does Smackdown have the worse refs. They constantly miss calls, hold back the faces physically so the heels can get in a cheap shot, don't stop heels from interferring. Seriously, if Becky Lynch went insane and started killing them, I'd be all for it.

Becky Lynch...the fans love you but Vince don't care. At all.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 22, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Too bad, Becky Lynch.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: HalloweenJack on February 22, 2017, 04:42:21 PM
Great cruiserweight action from Show and Braun last RAW

better than the actual division
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on February 22, 2017, 11:43:20 PM
Great cruiserweight action from Show and Braun last RAW

better than the actual division

It would be so funny,.....if it wasn't so sad.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Crab Master on February 23, 2017, 02:52:34 AM
Hey the Cruiserweights have Tajiri...but he can only do so much.

Tajiri?

He's still around?
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on February 23, 2017, 03:59:57 PM
If they do Neville vs Aries at WrestleMania, that could be tits.

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on February 23, 2017, 07:42:33 PM
sucks about namomi

Maybe they move on to Becky. Wish they stop mention the 30 day rule, find some other reason. Because that rule inconsitent. Brock destroyed that rule.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 24, 2017, 01:27:19 AM
Don't worry. Maybe he'll win the championship in the rematch to the worst WM match ever. I mean, I wouldn't mind if that belt disappeared months at a time. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on February 24, 2017, 12:37:11 PM
damm old becky cant catch a break
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 01, 2017, 03:59:29 AM
I think I know what Reigns problem is with Strowman...he keeps pausing for two minutes after each time he punches him! Just keep hitting him!!

Also Randy Orton just messed Bray Wyatt up.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 01, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
damm old becky cant catch a break

Well, she made a comeback of sorts last night.

All three of the chicks in that angle are so damn hot.  :-*
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on March 01, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Orton/AJ/Wyatt Triple Threat at 'Mania, perhaps? That really saves the Orton/Wyatt match possibilities. And they haven't set up much else for AJ to do.

And Miz continues to be the MVP of the post-Brand Split era.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on March 01, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
Orton/AJ/Wyatt Triple Threat at 'Mania, perhaps? That really saves the Orton/Wyatt match possibilities. And they haven't set up much else for AJ to do.

And Miz continues to be the MVP of the post-Brand Split era.

There were rumors Styles was going to face Shane. I sure as hell hope those are not true.

Yeah, Miz is the best. Great talker and character player.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on March 01, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
There have also been rumors of Shinsuke/Styles at Wrestlemania, but it'd be hard to set it up in time at this point
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 02, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
AJ Shane is a waste of time on any PPV, much LESS Wrestle frikkin' Mania.
McMahons just need to stop hogging the spotlight.

NEVER!!!!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 11, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
Yeah, but they lost Bray "hot potato" Wyatt, Dean Ambrose, and The Miz. Also they got Saxton...who I guess JBL can now bully as Otunga actually fought back.

Also, I'm pretty sure Roman Reigns has more wrong with him than a few cracked ribs. If I'm Angle, I'm trading Braun just to not deal with that anymore! Probably gave Kurt Angle flashbacks to his last time as GM. :)

Nia Jax had to have hit the worse shoulder breaker ever...of all time. I mean, didn't come anywhere close to the shoulder and dropped Charlotte on her head.

Okay, Big Show was just being a jerk tonight.

Hawkins reminds me of Kaiju Big Battel where they were promoting this one guy nonstop and he shows up...and gets squashed. I miss Kaiju Big Battel. :(

Man, Ambrose just owns Kevin Owens, huh?

Big E needs to stop charging at The Revival! It never works!

The fans want Broken Matt, WWE says "nah, you get standard regular Hardys."

...call me crazy but wouldn't Stephanie have more power and could force the trade to Seth Rollins to Smackdown?

So RAW has all three members of The Shield.

I'm hoping Bryan didn't trade for Reigns.
               
Have to wait until Smackdown to comment on on the trades but....give them someone, Vince! Dear god, I know "make lemonade"...but you traded all the lemons!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 11, 2017, 12:16:57 PM
Eh, what can you expect when I'm posting and on TV Tropes at the same time?

Anyway, from Smackdown's point of view, a lot of these trades are really stupid. I mean, you trade over Bray Wyatt who has a title match with your champion, so you could lose your world title to the competiton.

That's Browns level of bad GMing.

I do like they've finally given me a good reason to root for Seth Rollins as a good guy. Now he's a guy who admits he went down the wrong path, took the easy way, and wants to redeem himself and never be that weak again. Me, personally...if I'm a RAW wrestlers I'm begging to get traded away so I don't have to deal with that insane harpy. :)

Anyway, who I expect to jump.

Rusev. RAW isn't doing anything with him...save for teaming him with Jinder Mahal. The guy used to be the most badass of heels and he does have some good charisma when he gets a chance to show it.

Roman Reigns: Seems unlikely after what happened on RAW, but I think it's really unfair if you have all three former SHIELD members on RAW.

Sami Zayne: This was teased last night.

Kevin Owens: I'd like to think Smackdown isn't dumb enough to trade their title for nothing in return.

Jericho: Probably to continue the feud with Owens.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: zechs on April 11, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
F*cking Braun Strowman jacked up Roman Reigns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXTOH9jhbOg
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on April 11, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
^^^god yes.
That was a nice cutaway when they switched the stretchers out.

No way man..thats real

i believe. And BOLIEVE
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on April 18, 2017, 12:41:42 PM
ha HA!
My 5 feet of fury is the #1 contender for the women's title!

Braun Strowman continues his awesomeness.

The crowd appreciated both these things.

hmm surprise seem storywise

Sasha turning bad again bella a better fit

or Jax vs bella would be better. Since you have a monster heel fighting bella doing a David vs Goliath match

Least for pure story

Of course may not want a chunky chick as champion and it no good explantion on why Jax wouldt crush Bella(or hell most of them) one on one.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on April 20, 2017, 01:01:14 AM
It's not for us. WWE is expanding in India. This will last just long enough to give them a stronger foothold to push merchandise in India
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 20, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
The funny thing I wouldn't mind Jinder winning if his match wasn't on PPV. Just a Smackdown match and then build him up from there, I'm cool. But I wish they'd all stop jobbing out Zane. Also, was hoping Luke would have won. The big guy could be something if they'd pull the trigger.

Also, keep Bray Wyatt off of Smackdown! At least give me that, WWE!!

And Ambrose and Miz feud on Smackdown and go to RAW to feud again. Lazy ass RAW bookers.

Also apparently the promo about Ambrose with the Miz calling him lazy and complacent was from someone in the back sending a message. To that person: Fuck off. Yeah, you don't get censored. No way in hell is Ambrose lazy or complacent.  He was the workhorse of Smackdown.

Also, McMahon hates the Broken Matt gimmick and STILL thinks Jeff is the star...but apparently it's so damn apparent to everyone else and the crowd reaction, McMahon will probably okay Broken Matt when they lose their titles.

Seriously, it's this logic and refusal to accept reality is why Roman Reigns will main event more WMs than Cena, Hogan, Austin, or the Rock.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 21, 2017, 02:36:59 AM
Hey, I thought Orton was going to RKO on him on the spot, so he got off easy. :)

And I think I'm not as upset as most about Jinder winning because at least it wasn't ****ing Mojo. I hate him. I hate his friend Gronk. I hate how he has no personality save for spazzed up idiot. I hate that he can't wrestle. I hate that I know that he'll have a match every week because some jackass in the back likes him!!


Bray's problem is that he's all talk. He says he's going to corrupt this or that and then he doesn't. He fails. And his character is basically the same guy saying the same nonsense over and over.


Well, the current WM plan is Reigns vs Lesnar. Me, I'd book Styles vs Nakamura since both are insanely over and the match would be amazing...but I guess the rematch of the two move wonders will have to do. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 22, 2017, 09:10:08 AM
Well, to be fair, it did work with Triple H as we, the fans decided, F it. We didn't have a choice. Of course that was a time when we didn't have as much stuff to do instead or watch. A dark time of no Netflix, giant phones on walls, and game boys that were like a gray brick.

And to Reigns credit, at least it's not as bad compared to Triple H. Seriously, one Smackdown was just Triple H wrestling. I did not need to see Triple H vs Phineas Godwin and Mabel in a casket match. With Triple H he was on nearly every other match in some way. At least Reigns goes away after we have to deal with him for a bit. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 02, 2017, 02:36:13 AM
Bliss asserting dominance over peons to open the show. Miz walking off a conqueror to close it.

That is how you book a great Raw.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 03, 2017, 05:15:17 PM
Jericho's latest run was great though.

The product will be poorer for his exit. Guy always manages to adjust and stay fresh despite a quarter century career.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 03, 2017, 08:00:00 PM
I think is Jericho is given something stupid and he eventually gets it over.

And...am I seriously supposed to believe Nattie, Tamina, and Carmella stand a chance against Becky Lynch (she's the best she goes first), Naomi, and Charlotte?

And I know some people have talked about JBL became world champion. Well, the JBL character was great. Jinder is "me foreign you hate me" and it doesn't help that his offense is stuff you'd see from some jabroni on the local circuit.

I just haven't been feeling Smackdown since the talent swap...and where the hell is Luke Harper?!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Imperial on May 03, 2017, 09:26:50 PM
And...am I seriously supposed to believe Nattie, Tamina, and Carmella stand a chance against Becky Lynch (she's the best she goes first), Naomi, and Charlotte?

Could not agree more. I said this earlier today at another forum. The Champion and perceived top two otherwise are all on the same side. Against basically a team of lower carders. (And I like Carmella.)


I just haven't been feeling Smackdown since the talent swap...and where the hell is Luke Harper?!

Yeah, he was starting to do something relevant and then..........gone.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 03, 2017, 10:08:25 PM
He should be the one challenging Orton. I like where they were going with Harper as a still crazy guy, but now broken free of the clutches of evil. And there is history with the two that's interesting: Orton did trick him and make his life worse...but he also got him out of a cult.

Instead...Jinder. Who the fans didn't even bother to boo when he won.

Also, Breezango was great in the police skit. Real Estate Fraud with the Calons pic. I hope they get a chance--but if Vince sees  you as a jobber, you're a jobber no matter what.

Also, if you are the most over superstar on the roster and could make the crazy bastard millions of dollars, but he doesn't want you to be the star, he won't let the WWE doctor clear you--even though every other doctor has--and you get to waste your time being a GM on the B-Show.

And the same goes for Becky Lynch. I can't even remember when a current WWE wrestler got cheered over the returning wrestler, but it happened with Mickie James. She's also the best on the mic and has gotten good matches out of Tamina! Tamina, who I'm pretty sure only moves are: stand and kick. But Charlotte is a tall blond that McMahon likes and a Flair that Triple H REALLLY Likes. :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 25, 2017, 03:40:20 AM
So the world title picture is this:

RAW: A champion who never shows up or defends his belt.

Smackdown: Guy who was a jobber about a month ago.

Ambrose and Owens are right. They have the only titles that matter!! :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on May 31, 2017, 10:22:48 AM
First women's MiTB is official.

what mitb mean
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 31, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
Money In The Bank!
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Not BAMF on May 31, 2017, 10:48:31 AM
Jesus, Rock.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Wyntyr on May 31, 2017, 03:10:53 PM
In rock's defense, he probably read it as "milk"
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 31, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
MitB is my second favorite PPV of the year, with the Rumble being first.


If they can find an excuse to involve the Hardy Boys in a ladder match again, I'm all for it.

Imagine that.  Multiple tag teams fighting for the MitB briefcase.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 01, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
It would be especially great if Breezango wins :D
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 03, 2017, 05:22:52 AM
Wow. MitB, I don't know how Tamina can do in that match. Let's see.

1. Samoan Drop
2. Kick
3 Standing
4. Splash.

Tamina, what move will you forget to learn the move CLIMB? :)
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Riv1 on June 25, 2017, 05:45:06 AM
Cant believe Elsworth ruined the sanctity of the match...>:(
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Riv1 on June 25, 2017, 05:45:55 AM
OTOH, yay Corbin! ;D
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: therock on June 26, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
so the raw universal belt basicly going to be forgotten about at this point. Shows up every now and then for a few seocnds
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Riv1 on June 27, 2017, 01:09:36 AM
so the raw universal belt basicly going to be forgotten about at this point. Shows up every now and then for a few seocnds
Thats one of the msny reasons i hate the guy.
Title: Re: Raw/Smackdown thread
Post by: Riv1 on June 27, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
That was a nice gauntlet mach.
Its good to see the women msin eventing.