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Title: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on February 09, 2016, 12:09:32 AM
For example; Punisher hates criminals and as such hunts them down and kills them.

Taskmaster actually sets out to teach criminals, he makes more criminals and makes the ones still around "Better".

How hasn't Punisher developed an unfathomable mad-on for this guy? 

But have they ever even met or fought before?
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Red Exodus on February 09, 2016, 01:39:18 PM
Iron Fist and Sabertooth should have had a lot more encounters. Creed was a vindictive mother
fucker, and I don't buy him ever abruptly giving up on him, even if Wolverine was his more
primary enemy.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: AP on February 10, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
With Reed and Sue Richards having a mutant kid, you would think there would be more mutant bad guys coming to their doorsteps to recruit the kid or possibly some anti-mutant groups causing trouble for the same reasons.  It has happened a handful of times, but those were mostly one-time threats, I think there is room for a recurring villain there.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Jabroniville on February 10, 2016, 07:32:19 PM
^^^Great choice.

Kingpin and J Jonah Jameson. Say what you want about JJJ, but someone like Kingpin should offend him.
The Kingpin tried to murder JJ in his DEBUT, no less- yet they have very few interactions. Though he once had Elektra try to murder Ben Urich, who was working for the Bugle at the time.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Thanos6 on February 11, 2016, 02:04:08 AM
Magneto and Red Skull should have killed each other ages ago.
i know its been touched on, but not nearly enough i think.

Their fight was probably the highlight of Gru's Cap run.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: AP on February 11, 2016, 04:30:15 AM
DC seems to have more Lex and Batman confrontations these days but the two make a lot of sense as arch enemies.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on February 14, 2016, 02:44:02 PM
Batman vs Lex Luthor is a good one. Basically the two wealthiest, most intelligent and manipulative skill-monkeys in DC would make great opponents in a chess master sort of way.

Dr. Doom and Iron Man have had a few confrontations over the years, but you'd think they'd do so even more regularly. Tony is a man who was born into wealth and power, but learned humility when his life was saved and has since tried to use his wealth to better the world (when the writers weren't making him Iron Hitler). Doom was a man born into poverty who mastered science and sorcery to take over his country and has dedicated himself to taking over the world. Tony is basically the modern capitalist trying to improve the world, Doom is old school monarchy trying to build an empire.

Iron Fist versus the Mandarin seemed like something that could have happened as well. The Mandarin vs Iron Man was always good for the whole "ancient Eastern mysticism and martial arts" vs "modern capitalist science and technology", but you could see the Mandarin having just as much of a problem with Danny. Danny is another billionaire with a corporation, but he's also someone steeped in eastern mythology, which the Mandarin might hate as seeing some white infidel bastardizing his people's traditions. Could make for a cool fight and take a jab at the Mandarin's own racism. Though it might be weird that the Mandarin's big opponents both have 'Iron' in their name.

Given that the Rock of Eternity sits in the heart of existence and allows those bonded to it (Shazam, the Marvel Family, Black Adam) to travel through time, space and dimension, you wonder why more comics don't have Cap, Mary and Freddy policing the timeline and keeping extradimensional invaders out of the DC Universe. Stuff like Booster Gold's series would work great for them, and fighting invading mystical beings in the Cthulhu/Trigon vein would be right up their alley.

Has Kraven the Hunter ever fought Wolverine? You'd think a showdown between the two most 'hunter' focused archetypes would be a given.

There's a lot of street level types that you feel like Arcade should have fought more of, before stuff like Avengers Arena and that Avengers Academy crossover basically ruined the guy. Him being hired to kill Capt. America, Iron Fist & Luke Cage and the like could have made for some fun adventures. Throw Danny and Luke into some 70's style Kung Fu/Blacksploitation scenarios for a little extra adventure. The Heroes for Hire thing works as well since Arcade, Danny and Luke all are mercenaries to some extent.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: MTL76 on February 14, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
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Damn, those are all great choices.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Mightily Oats on February 14, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Batman and Lex do occasionally feud.

Batman wins every time.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Abhilegend on February 14, 2016, 10:03:12 PM
Except he doesn't. Remember that time when Lex had his girlfriend murdered and framed Bruce?

Or the time he basically bitchslapped Bruce after swapping the kryptonite ring and making Bruce back away?

Good times.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Bandido on February 15, 2016, 01:30:08 AM
Lex looked smoother in Forever Evil as well.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on February 18, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
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Damn, those are all great choices.
Yes they are. Particularly IF/Mandarin and Kraven/ Wolvie.

Thanks guys. :)
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on March 05, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
The High Evolutionary and Beast?
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Dalek on March 05, 2016, 09:40:59 PM
Except he doesn't. Remember that time when Lex had his girlfriend murdered and framed Bruce?

Or the time he basically bitchslapped Bruce after swapping the kryptonite ring and making Bruce back away?

Good times.

Was that Bruce Wyane:Murderer? I had the 0 issue of that (I think from an old Wizard) but I never did get around to reading the story arc.

Did Batman go after Luthor following that? For a guy that obsessive seems weird it has been so ignored in interactions since then.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on March 05, 2016, 10:27:28 PM
Apocalypse or The Sphinx as Thor or Hercules opponents. Long-lived, mega-powerful baddies would make good opponents for those two. It'd be interesting to see what Apocalypse's whole "survival of the fittest" philosophy applies to gods.

The Red Skull, Baron Strucker and Baron Zemo vs the Black Panther. All three of them are master planners with large, powerful organizations who are also formidable personal threats. And they all do or have subscribed to Nazi philosophy at some point. Going after the most intelligent/wealthy/dangerous black man in Marvel seems like a natural conflict.

The Falcon vs the Vulture. Seriously, how many winged hero/villain fights have we seen?

Moon Knight vs Taskmaster. Two hooded master fighters taking each other on. Taskmaster is more skilled, forcing Moon Knight to either up his game or rely on craftiness and superior equipment. You could see Moony wanting to disrupt Tasky's supplying villains with thugs.

Moon Knight vs Dracula. Moon Knight started out fighting Werewolf by Night, a lot of his gear being lined with silver. Having Marc be an expert in the supernatural and a Blade-style monster hunter as well as a superhero could give him a unique niche. He'd have the right gear and give Dracula a modern 'skilled/gear' opponent as opposed to Blade or Dr. Strange.

Annihilus vs the Silver Surfer. Have these two ever fought? He seems like the right kind of cosmic threat for Norrin.

Iron Man vs AIM and HYDRA. There was a period during his Silver Centurion days where Tony fought AIM pretty regularly. That seems to have become less of a thing, but it makes sense. Put one of Marvel's greatest geniuses and arguably their greatest engineer against an evil group of mad scientists. Putting MODOK back in charge would even the odds a bit. Likewise, Tony's dad has some history with HYDRA, why not have Tony pick up where his dad left off, taking on Strucker and his latest advancements.

Iron Fist vs Gorgon and the Hand. Why not send one of Marvel's best martial artist against their big ninja cult and their superhuman warlord?

Captain Marvel vs Darkseid. Given how often Superman and Wonder Woman have gone up against Darkseid, and what Darkseid has tried to do to Cap's sister at one point, you'd think Cap would be more involved in New God matter. He doesn't even need a Boom Tube to get to Apocalypse or New Genesis, the Rock of Eternity can get him there.

Green Lantern vs Brainiac. You'd think the GL Corps would have gotten involved with the evil sentient robot going around abducting cities from planets across the universe.

Iron Man vs the Serpent Society. A supervillain group that runs itself like a corporation, with tons of snake-themed jobbers for Tony to fight? Sounds like a win.

Black Knight vs the Silver Samurai. European swordsmanship vs Japenese swordsmanship. Black vs Silver. Knight vs Samurai. And it'd finally give Dane some exposure an a sword fight that could show his skills off.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Jabroniville on March 08, 2016, 04:48:01 PM
The Kingpin (vs) Fat Cobra- it needs to happen. Actually, any Martial Arts Hero pairs off well against one of the most dangerous fighters in the MU.

Flag-Smasher (vs) The Black Panther, Doctor Doom or the Winter Guard- an anti-nationalist is the natural foe of a lot of "National Symbol" type characters, especially if they're also the LEADER of a country. Unfortunately, FS is largely a joke these days.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: JookDukem on March 08, 2016, 06:31:37 PM
They did this already but I always thought The Juggernaut would make a fantastic Rogue to Spidey particularly.

He's like the exact opposite of Spidey in every physical way yet they kind of have a common ground in their little quips they like to throw around and shit. Plus the way that particular fight ended was dope and it would be interesting to see how/if writers could come up with different ways for Spidey to deal with that kind of threat.

I suppose Rhino already fits the bill kind of, but Juggs is just on a whole nother le'el.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: JookDukem on March 08, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
Then again he may not be a good ARCH rival at all.

Damn, that suggestion was like, the exact opposite of all of Ares' actual useul responses hahahahahaha.

Rekt, me.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on March 15, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Cyborg (DC hero) and Cyborg (DC villain)?

I mean; both had their lives transformed by horrific accidents, one went and found the will to live and became a hero.

The other let his bitterness and despair consume himself and became a villain.

Cyborg-H gets by on tech. and science whereas Cyborg-V has an almost absolute mastery of any and all scientific technology he comes across.

They seem like they would have a good play on each other as characters.



Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on April 03, 2016, 04:18:28 PM
Going back to this well; The High Evolutionary and X-Man?

Thinking about it; kind of strange; The High E' has meddled with humans, he's meddled with gods, he's meddled with beasts and even insects I believe......but has he ever experimented on straight out mutants?

Also High E' exists on a level where X-Man can't just get by on his power.

Factor in during his shaman days X-Man was a natural outsider type who basically let things play out how they do except for extreme scenario's and you have two people on opposite ends of the spectrum for morality and philosophy.


Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on April 03, 2016, 11:32:00 PM
Batgirl and Harley Quinn?

Considering both of them were inspired by their respective heroes to done the "cape" so to speak.

I could see how them having to fight/meet might cause some uncomfortable levels of introspection.....say an insult to one another that they might realize could apply to themselves equally well sort of deal.

Twisted mirror kind of thing going.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on April 04, 2016, 01:21:16 AM
Iron Man versus the Hellfire Club could have been interesting, at least the old school club when it was a group of old school wealthy nobility types using power for profit. You could see them having some conflict with Tony, possibly trying to influence him and him having to fight back. It is a case of having one group of privileged rich fight another, but in Tony's case he's built himself back up from nothing, being much more of a self-made guy at this point and a true benevolent capitalist. Plus he'd need to come up with all of these tactics against the different members of the club, etc.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 04, 2016, 01:28:11 AM
Iron Man versus the Hellfire Club could have been interesting, at least the old school club when it was a group of old school wealthy nobility types using power for profit. You could see them having some conflict with Tony, possibly trying to influence him and him having to fight back. It is a case of having one group of privileged rich fight another, but in Tony's case he's built himself back up from nothing, being much more of a self-made guy at this point and a true benevolent capitalist. Plus he'd need to come up with all of these tactics against the different members of the club, etc.
That would have made a really good story.

Tony vs Shaw would be a great fight.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on April 04, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Thanks guys. I know editorial is a large reason, but one underutilized aspect of superhero comics seems to be one person usually sticking to a stable rogues group, rather than face appropriate opponents. Magneto and the Juggernaut are among the only two X-Men foes who semi-regularly fight non-mutant superheroes for instance. The old Hellfire club seems like it would have been perfect foes for several heroes.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: MTL76 on April 04, 2016, 02:17:38 PM
It's surprising heroes don't swap rogues more often. It seems a lot easier than coming up with new ones.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Jabroniville on April 06, 2016, 03:42:41 AM
It's surprising heroes don't swap rogues more often. It seems a lot easier than coming up with new ones.
Yeah, like Ares said, Editorial is often the reason. Comic book editors kind of get their back hair up every time someone plays with on of their "toys", and it's so behind-the-scenes that we rarely hear about it. There's a very good chance the X-Editor would refuse to allow one of his villains be used for another person's book. One of the few actual stories I've heard was that the Dr. Strange editor refused to allow Chris Claremont to have Nightmare be revealed as Nightcrawler's real father.

It can be kind of a pissing contest, though I can see how Editors would like to keep things close- lest other writers just mess with their guys or hurt their credibility.

It really wasn't always the way, though. Marvel Team-Up features a LOT of villains mixing it up with heroes. And Acts of Vegeance was an entire EVENT based around this. Well, more of an ongoing story that only the Avengers books really dealt with in a big way. Still, it was an unpretentious, fun story.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on April 06, 2016, 04:13:27 AM
Yeah, editors can be extremely possessive of characters, and there's often fighting over who has "dibs" on certain characters. For the longest time, Dick Grayson was largely a Titans character, but once he left that book the Bat Editorial grabbed him back up and there was conflict over using the character frequently. Supposedly one reason they started having Dick sleep around with Huntress, Catwoman, Batgirl and the like was to keep Dick more securely in the Bat Books, as having Dick continue his romance with Starfire would just reinforce the Titans connection.

Really dumb stuff like that supposedly happens all the time. The old Titans vs JLA: Technis Imperative crossover had to be re-done several times because the JLA editors kept butting heads with the writer over presentation of the League.

And yeah, Acts of Vengeance was a lot of fun, and just a good excuse to have heroes fight new baddies.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Jabroniville on April 06, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
The Beast's big change was largely due to Steve Englehart. Once he was on the outs with Marvel, and Claremont was KILLING it on the X-Men book, it was inevitable that the X-Editors would snap him back. Louise Simonson ended up grabbing him for X-Factor, changing him back to a normal human in the process (in addition to writing some of the most horrible story ideas in history). Though I think by that point, there was a different guy working on Avengers, so it didn't bother them so much.

It's frickin' weird to go back and read those Avengers Beast stories and seeing him as this whacky, jovial prankster who uses modern slang and acts like a college beatnik (ie. pothead), though. It was like Englehart changed him utterly, and then the next writers COMPLETELY changed tracks and made him into the "Oh my stars and garters" dignified role he later utilized. He is absolutely unrecognizable from his Avengers run.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 07, 2016, 07:30:22 AM
The Beast's big change was largely due to Steve Englehart. Once he was on the outs with Marvel, and Claremont was KILLING it on the X-Men book, it was inevitable that the X-Editors would snap him back. Louise Simonson ended up grabbing him for X-Factor, changing him back to a normal human in the process (in addition to writing some of the most horrible story ideas in history). Though I think by that point, there was a different guy working on Avengers, so it didn't bother them so much.

It's frickin' weird to go back and read those Avengers Beast stories and seeing him as this whacky, jovial prankster who uses modern slang and acts like a college beatnik (ie. pothead), though. It was like Englehart changed him utterly, and then the next writers COMPLETELY changed tracks and made him into the "Oh my stars and garters" dignified role he later utilized. He is absolutely unrecognizable from his Avengers run.
Was Louise banging Walt before or after she became a Marvel writer?
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 07, 2016, 08:18:59 AM
That explains all that it needs to.

The inventor of Birdbrain doesn't deserve a job writing.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Panthergod on April 07, 2016, 12:15:57 PM
Cyborg (DC hero) and Cyborg (DC villain)?

I mean; both had their lives transformed by horrific accidents, one went and found the will to live and became a hero.

The other let his bitterness and despair consume himself and became a villain.

Cyborg-H gets by on tech. and science whereas Cyborg-V has an almost absolute mastery of any and all scientific technology he comes across.

They seem like they would have a good play on each other as characters.




That would be cool, but Henshaw is a Reed Richards analogue originally and has the Kryptonian powerset to boot. Between the two he has far superior tech showings.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Thanos6 on April 07, 2016, 03:48:11 PM
Hey, Louise has written lots of genuinely good stuff.  Every writer has a misfire or two.

I think Beast works best with his "stars and garters," high-falutin' vocabulary concealing a large sense of humor and a big heart.  From what I remember, I think the 90s series nailed him.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Jabroniville on April 08, 2016, 09:25:08 PM
I will never, ever forgive Louise Simonson for writing the second half of New Mutants. Ever. She had years and years, and some of the best lead-in character work ever, and she fucked it up in every way imaginable. She is the absolute drizzling shits as a writer.

Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on April 12, 2016, 11:05:17 AM
Darkseid and Wonder Woman?

Both are "gods" more or less both royalty; both have plot device level powers (WW's force field, Darkseid's Omega Beams).  Both  warriors.

Considering how Wonder Woman has fealty to her gods it's surprising that hasn't come up with Darkseid.

Oh sorry Zeus says I can't get involved, be an act of war between our two pantheons or some such sort of thing if I did.

Even the Super-friends had Darkseid trying to marry her all the time didn't they?

Hell; a story line where Darkseid becomes skyfather of the greek gods and can tell her what to do would definitely have potential.

Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Ares on April 18, 2016, 11:47:45 PM
Heh, going off my Mandarin vs Iron Fist idea, we had this image from the Battleworld stuff:

(http://loser-city.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Master-Kung-Fu-History.jpg)
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Liam on April 19, 2016, 07:18:56 PM
Batman vs Lex Luthor is a good one. Basically the two wealthiest, most intelligent and manipulative skill-monkeys in DC would make great opponents in a chess master sort of way.
Yeah, writers lately seem to agree: this is a cool and natural match-up.

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Dr. Doom and Iron Man have had a few confrontations over the years, but you'd think they'd do so even more regularly. Tony is a man who was born into wealth and power, but learned humility when his life was saved and has since tried to use his wealth to better the world (when the writers weren't making him Iron Hitler). Doom was a man born into poverty who mastered science and sorcery to take over his country and has dedicated himself to taking over the world. Tony is basically the modern capitalist trying to improve the world, Doom is old school monarchy trying to build an empire.
Yeah, they have more in common than ever, since both are trying to atone for past sins.

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Iron Fist versus the Mandarin seemed like something that could have happened as well. The Mandarin vs Iron Man was always good for the whole "ancient Eastern mysticism and martial arts" vs "modern capitalist science and technology", but you could see the Mandarin having just as much of a problem with Danny. Danny is another billionaire with a corporation, but he's also someone steeped in eastern mythology, which the Mandarin might hate as seeing some white infidel bastardizing his people's traditions. Could make for a cool fight and take a jab at the Mandarin's own racism. Though it might be weird that the Mandarin's big opponents both have 'Iron' in their name.
Isn't Mandarin white too, though?

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Given that the Rock of Eternity sits in the heart of existence and allows those bonded to it (Shazam, the Marvel Family, Black Adam) to travel through time, space and dimension, you wonder why more comics don't have Cap, Mary and Freddy policing the timeline and keeping extradimensional invaders out of the DC Universe. Stuff like Booster Gold's series would work great for them, and fighting invading mystical beings in the Cthulhu/Trigon vein would be right up their alley.
Maybe have CM run into Rip Hunter and the Legends of Tomorow.

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Has Kraven the Hunter ever fought Wolverine? You'd think a showdown between the two most 'hunter' focused archetypes would be a given.
Probably didn't happen because of timing issues. Wasn't Kraven killed off right around the time Wolverine had just started appearing everywhere?

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There's a lot of street level types that you feel like Arcade should have fought more of, before stuff like Avengers Arena and that Avengers Academy crossover basically ruined the guy. Him being hired to kill Capt. America, Iron Fist & Luke Cage and the like could have made for some fun adventures. Throw Danny and Luke into some 70's style Kung Fu/Blacksploitation scenarios for a little extra adventure. The Heroes for Hire thing works as well since Arcade, Danny and Luke all are mercenaries to some extent.
I missed his appearance in AA. What happened that ruined him?

Falcon vs Vulture should happen at some point. Falcon vs Vermin as well, since both have animal control powers.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on April 19, 2016, 08:39:35 PM
Mandarin is asian.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Liam on April 19, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mandarin

"The Mandarin is the child of British and Mongolian aristocrats, both of whom died while he was a small boy. Being extremely vain, the Mandarin squandered every last penny of his inheritance training himself in science, military tactics, and mystic martial arts. This bankrupted his family's estate, resulting in Mandarin becoming a homeless wanderer. Blaming the world for his misfortune rather than his own vanity and short-sightedness, Mandarin sought out a method of vengeance on civilization. "

So half white. He's white british guy in the movies.

Joker and Ra's Al Ghul: one wants an orderly paradise full of lush life(albeit with a tiny human populace), the other wants utter chaos and the death of every living thing.

Joker and Poison Ivy: both rivals for Harley Quinn, whom Ivy treats decently and Joker abuses. Also, somewhat similar to Ra's. Ivy wants a lush paradise and Joker wants everything dead. 
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Animalia on April 21, 2016, 09:31:32 AM
It would be nice to see a rivalry(not just hth) between Batman and Deathstroke,DS can really hold a grudge...let's say Batman piss him off.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on April 21, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
It would be nice to see a rivalry(not just hth) between Batman and Deathstroke,DS can really hold a grudge...let's say Batman piss him off.

Honestly; I don't think DS wants to see Batman get mean with the prep.

DS is pretty good at it but Batman's kind of on another level there.

Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: g-train on May 27, 2017, 08:29:40 PM
Wonder Woman and Captain Nazi?

I know they had one clash when he tried to invade her island.

But that's about it far as I know.

They seem like natural antagonists.

Both relics of an "ancient" civilization, one based on the "Nordic"-Ideal while the other is based on the Greek-Ideal.

Both come from societies designed with the idea of perfection in mind.

Both come from societies that believe one group of people is innately superior to another (Gender vs Race).

Seems like there's a bit to be played with there.
Title: Re: Characters that should be arch enemies
Post by: Uhtceare on May 27, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
For example; Punisher hates criminals and as such hunts them down and kills them.

Taskmaster actually sets out to teach criminals, he makes more criminals and makes the ones still around "Better".

How hasn't Punisher developed an unfathomable mad-on for this guy? 

But have they ever even met or fought before?

I think with Punisher it's because he usually fights either the vilest, most disgusting villains imaginable, or he fights the most painfully noble heroes.

 If it's a story that takes place in Punisher's own book, then they generally want you to root for him and don't want any ambiguity, so the guys he slaughters are absolutely disgusting.

 If he's fighting one of the painfully noble goody-goodies in Punisher's own book, then the story is about how the goody-goody is naive, and doesn't understand what needs to be done in the real world.

If Punisher is fighting, say, Spider-Man, in Spider-Man's book, then the story will be about how violence just begets more violence and corrupts the soul of the person crossing that line, and Spider-Man is right for sticking to his absolutely pure morals.

Taskmaster doesn't fit into any of the standard Punisher formulae. He's not evil enough for the audience to cheer Punisher slowly feeding him feet-first into a wood-chipper. He's certainly not good enough to tell a story about how Punisher's worldview is fundamentally wrong and destructive. He's not remotely naive enough to tell a story about how goody-goody thinking is just doomed to fail in the real world.

I suppose you could tell a story that just satirizes both formulae, but Deadpool works better for that sort of thing.