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Title: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
So the premiere is tomorrow. I've already seen it online a few months ago and was impressed. Looks like DC knows what it's doing on the small screen.

Thoughts?  8)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 06, 2014, 11:35:24 AM
I liked the pilot. I'll say why later for those that haven't seen it
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 07, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Any of you guys watching this?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 07, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Really liked the premiere. Flash costume looks a lot better on television than i thought it would from the pictures. And Iris is smoking hot. Ill be watching every week.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 08, 2014, 05:12:41 AM
I liked the fact he (mostly) does away with his secret identity straight off the bat. No hiding from key characters, which would have felt too Smallville or Arrow to me. It's nice to have something different.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Whiskeyclone on October 08, 2014, 09:57:12 AM
I liked that they....wait for it............hit the ground running.




No pun intended.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 10:24:42 AM
Yeah they really did. Premiere was really well done. I was definitely pessimistic going into it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 10:52:48 AM
I wonder who Harrison Wells really is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 08, 2014, 10:58:04 AM
I wonder who Harrison Wells really is.

H. G. Wells homage so probably Prof Zoom, who's also a time traveler.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
I thought it was Dt Thawne who would eventually become Zoom, or maybe already is. Come back in time, start banging Barry's future wife before he has a chance with her? Sounds right up Zoom's alley.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 08, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
Yeah I was thinking Zoom. Perhaps Hawthorne will be setup as a second Zoom when the first one dies (LOL, SPOILER?!0009?)

OR
a toned down Abra Kadabra, without using that name.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 08, 2014, 11:49:27 AM
I thought it was Dt Thawne who would eventually become Zoom, or maybe already is. Come back in time, start banging Barry's future wife before he has a chance with her? Sounds right up Zoom's alley.

Eddie Tawne is likely a red-herring and merely an ancestor to Eobard Thawne, aka Prof Zoom. Also, Wells is in a wheelchair, much like Hunter Zolomon (Zoom) wqas.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 12:03:21 PM
It's really too bad this show and Arrow weren't on the same time as Smallville was. Would have made for a sick shared universe to use for crossovers.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Watched it a second time, totally missed the bent, opened cage that was for Gorilla Grodd, lol.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 08, 2014, 01:16:06 PM
I thought the spin around and counteract the tornado thing was a little hokey. After it failed the first time I was hoping he would just power through it and punch him in the face.

Overall I liked it though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 08, 2014, 01:26:24 PM
I thought the spin around and counteract the tornado thing was a little hokey. After it failed the first time I was hoping he would just power through it and punch him in the face.

Overall I liked it though.

But that's a classic Flash move!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 08, 2014, 01:32:09 PM
Yeah, shut up  Neo
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 08, 2014, 02:21:30 PM
Yeah, shut up  Neo
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 08, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
But how are we gonna know how Ollie compares to Cap if Barry doesn't punch someone?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 08, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2014, 07:46:39 AM
They already released pictures of Flash fighting The Reverse Flash so it looks like they aren't holding back with the crazy shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 13, 2014, 07:56:34 AM
I hope they'll just call him Zoom instead of the Reverse Flash because I never liked that name
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 13, 2014, 10:46:13 AM
Good start. Flash has a fun rogues gallery, so while Angsty Weather Wizard was lame (to be expected when the pilot episode has to focus 98% on the lead character), I hope to see some cool renditions of the other rogues.

They already released pictures of Flash fighting The Reverse Flash so it looks like they aren't holding back with the crazy shit.

Link?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 13, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/308/files/2014/10/CW_Reverse_Flash_3.jpg)

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/308/files/2014/10/CW_Reverse_Flash_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 13, 2014, 04:19:32 PM
Those costumes look so much better on live tv where they can mess with the colors a bit. In these candid shots they look like utter shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 15, 2014, 07:53:05 AM
I hope every fight doesn't end with everyone giving Barry a pep talk.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 15, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
Solid episode. Hopefully it will maintain this consistency.

New Stagg was dead as soon as he asked "Who let you in here?" That phrase always carries a death sentence.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 16, 2014, 07:15:38 PM
The Flash knocks both Agents of SHIELD (only got good in episode 1somethingteen in a season of 24) and Arrow (was still shit in a 24 ep season) out of the park in TWO FUCKING EPISODES.

Also I didn't not ... Multiplex? Danton? Is he a recent rogue? Never heard of him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 16, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
The Flash knocks both Agents of SHIELD (only got good in episode 1somethingteen in a season of 24) and Arrow (was still shit in a 24 ep season) out of the park in TWO FUCKING EPISODES.

Also I didn't not ... Multiplex? Danton? Is he a recent rogue? Never heard of him.

Multiplex is a very old school Firestorm villain.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 16, 2014, 08:09:35 PM
Ah. I'll be honest with the fact I don't know a fucking thing about Firestorm aside from "He is now this guy and this guy" and his basic powerset.

Still though. Pretty sure they left a "Get out of jail free" card for him, should they want him back.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 16, 2014, 08:25:05 PM
Love the Flash series so far; It feels more Raimi's Spiderman than Nolan's Batman - A refreshing change of pace.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 16, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
Yeah, has a lighter tone, but isn't all hokey and full of itself like Smallville got in its later years. Although, they probably didn't forsee the show lasting ten years.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 19, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Yeah, has a lighter tone, but isn't all hokey and full of itself like Smallville got in its later years. Although, they probably didn't forsee the show lasting ten years.
They did borrow the wheel-chaired mentor from Smallville though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 19, 2014, 04:11:11 PM
... who was in how many eps after after a season of not being there?

Also it's obvious it's more likely a reference to Hunter Zolomon's disability in the cermics.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: nu-safado on October 19, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Smallville got hokey for exactly the reason you said. It went on for way too long though it had some great individual episodes. I think it could have been done in 6 seasons

Kudos to smallville for making me like Martian man hunter as a mentor figure


I love that flash is playing around with a light hearted tone without abandoning Barry's heroism and giving him a bad ass rogues gallery

Good stuff
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 21, 2014, 12:52:57 AM
The Smallville one?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2014, 07:56:07 AM
That pilot had nothing to do with Smallville. It didn't even have the same actor.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 21, 2014, 08:22:33 AM
I didnt think it did, but it was made to cash in on Smallville from what i read.
Well yeah, that's a given.
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Well, at least we have the Flash now, and Arrow.
Wellllll at least we have the Flash now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 22, 2014, 01:13:17 PM
Flash is very far removed from Smallville. The only similarities are superficial.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 22, 2014, 02:50:00 PM
They don't call him "Flash" because he's not had a public debut. Iris just started wanting to report on his sightings 1 episode ago. It's only been 3 episodes so far.

And, again, being most superficialities are noticeable. That's a pretty weak criticism.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
Smallville got hokey for exactly the reason you said. It went on for way too long though it had some great individual episodes. I think it could have been done in 6 seasons

Kudos to smallville for making me like Martian man hunter as a mentor figure


I love that flash is playing around with a light hearted tone without abandoning Barry's heroism and giving him a bad ass rogues gallery

Good stuff

That, and in later seasons they obviously had to bring him closer to being Superman as it wouldn't have made sense otherwise. The way they changed the score to be closer to the soundtrack John Williams did for the Reeve films sounded corny as fuck to me every time it came on. That and having it be all about his feelings and being a hero to fly or whatever the fuck was just annoying to me. I watched it because I was already invested from the prior seasons, but I could see how people could watch Smallville from like 7-10 and say it was terrible.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
They don't call him "Flash" because he's not had a public debut. Iris just started wanting to report on his sightings 1 episode ago. It's only been 3 episodes so far.

And, again, being most superficialities are noticeable. That's a pretty weak criticism.

Exactly. The reason they made "the cloud" the catalyst for all of these metahumans walking around was the Flash tv show being in a shared universe with Arrow, which is supposed to be more real world based, and people probably would have noticed people with powers walking around beforehand. Makes sense. I'd take it a step further and have Wells and crew discover the meta-gene and have the energies of the cloud just activating latent ones in most people besides Barry (as I would think the Speed Force would have to come in to play eventually). Having the meta-gene explanation would be a nice catch-all explanation for villains who may not be from Central City, as that may get redundant.


You guys think the Speed Force is a definite play at some point? The nerd in me thinks the Terminal Velocity storyline (although it was about Wally and not Barry) would be a perfect full season arc for a season of the Flash down the line when he and Iris finally get together. He disappears into the SF from going too fast to save her in a season finale, and comes back with new powers to learn in the subsequent season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 22, 2014, 03:23:08 PM
They don't call him "Flash" because he's not had a public debut. Iris just started wanting to report on his sightings 1 episode ago. It's only been 3 episodes so far.

And, again, being most superficialities are noticeable. That's a pretty weak criticism.

Exactly. The reason they made "the cloud" the catalyst for all of these metahumans walking around was the Flash tv show being in a shared universe with Arrow, which is supposed to be more real world based, and people probably would have noticed people with powers walking around beforehand. Makes sense. I'd take it a step further and have Wells and crew discover the meta-gene and have the energies of the cloud just activating latent ones in most people besides Barry (as I would think the Speed Force would have to come in to play eventually). Having the meta-gene explanation would be a nice catch-all explanation for villains who may not be from Central City, as that may get redundant.


You guys think the Speed Force is a definite play at some point? The nerd in me thinks the Terminal Velocity storyline (although it was about Wally and not Barry) would be a perfect full season arc for a season of the Flash down the line when he and Iris finally get together. He disappears into the SF from going too fast to save her in a season finale, and comes back with new powers to learn in the subsequent season.

The meta-gene might be used to explain how Killer Frost and/or Vibe gets their powers later.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 22, 2014, 05:49:14 PM
Not a bad ep, but smarmy death row convict wasn't that interesting, and he beat him way too easily.


"... JUST RUN REALLY, REALLY FAST."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 22, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Guess how I feel about this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 08:56:40 PM
Astro, what live action film or tv shows adapted from comics exist that you actually think are actually good?

Now that's the right question.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 22, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
Guess how I feel about this show.

Well, it's lightheaded, enjoyable and fun so I'm guessing you hate it?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 10:36:29 PM
Astro criticizes the fuck out of everything. These are tv shows based on comics. Literally, this a show about a science geek that got struck by lightning, and now he can run really, really, really fast. What the fuck do you expect it to be? The Wire or Breaking Bad or some shit?.

Its supposed to be a fun show people watch, not some Emmy award winning critical darling. Relax.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 22, 2014, 10:52:08 PM
I'm waiting for the M. Night twist where Astro fucking LOVES this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 23, 2014, 02:04:18 AM
Guess how I feel about this show.

Well, it's lightheaded, enjoyable and fun so I'm guessing you hate it?

Hahaha, this is such a generic attempt at a burn.

Is that why I hate Arrow? Because it's lighthearted and enjoyable and fun?

I love lighthearted, enjoyable fun shit. I'm positively sappy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 23, 2014, 02:11:56 AM
Astro criticizes the fuck out of everything. These are tv shows based on comics. Literally, this a show about a science geek that got struck by lightning, and now he can run really, really, really fast. What the fuck do you expect it to be? The Wire or Breaking Bad or some shit?.

Its supposed to be a fun show people watch, not some Emmy award winning critical darling. Relax.

I expect it to be decent, dude. Why do genre shows get such a pass so often? That's what I want to know. Why is the standard so much lower for these shows than for others?

Because it can be done. I liked Buffy, Angel. I LOVED Firefly. Battlestar Galactica, while not my thing, was at least good.

I really like The Flash as a concept. It's got a lot of cool science fiction ideas built right into it; one of the hardest science fiction thing at DC historically, with Flash facts and all that. I really would like to have something good.

But this isn't that. And it's written by people who, on their other other projects and in their comics, most here would agree are shit writers. You all hated Green Lantern, right? Have you read Kreisburg's Green Arrow/Black Canary run? Or Helen Keller: Super Spy story? It's got objectively low production values.

I was mostly coming in here to have a bit of fun with this (newly developing, I think?) perception of me as someone who hates hates hates, but really. This is bargain basement plot with cheesy morals delivered in hamfisted ways by mediocre actors to generic music and shitty special effects.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 23, 2014, 02:13:29 AM
I'm waiting for the M. Night twist where Astro fucking LOVES this show.

Haha, I cannot even tell you how tempted I was to respond with effusive generic praise for it.

But no. I'll be the Astro you need.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Mightily Oats on October 23, 2014, 03:12:09 AM
Not ever going to watch this show.

Astro Was Right
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 23, 2014, 05:28:28 AM
Guess how I feel about this show.

Well, it's lightheaded, enjoyable and fun so I'm guessing you hate it?

Hahaha, this is such a generic attempt at a burn.

Is that why I hate Arrow? Because it's lighthearted and enjoyable and fun?

I love lighthearted, enjoyable fun shit. I'm positively sappy.
I HATE YOU I WISH YOU DIED ON THAT ISLAND

stupid show
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 23, 2014, 08:38:38 AM
Guess how I feel about this show.

Well, it's lightheaded, enjoyable and fun so I'm guessing you hate it?

Hahaha, this is such a generic attempt at a burn.

Is that why I hate Arrow? Because it's lighthearted and enjoyable and fun?

I love lighthearted, enjoyable fun shit. I'm positively sappy.

haha I love that you critiqued my "burn."

I'm waiting for the M. Night twist where Astro fucking LOVES this show.

Haha, I cannot even tell you how tempted I was to respond with effusive generic praise for it.

But no. I'll be the Astro you need.

But not the one we need right now?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 23, 2014, 09:27:19 AM
I'm fine with Astro being Nu52 Gaara.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 23, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
Astro criticizes the fuck out of everything. These are tv shows based on comics. Literally, this a show about a science geek that got struck by lightning, and now he can run really, really, really fast. What the fuck do you expect it to be? The Wire or Breaking Bad or some shit?.

Its supposed to be a fun show people watch, not some Emmy award winning critical darling. Relax.

I expect it to be decent, dude. Why do genre shows get such a pass so often? That's what I want to know. Why is the standard so much lower for these shows than for others?

Because it can be done. I liked Buffy, Angel. I LOVED Firefly. Battlestar Galactica, while not my thing, was at least good.

I really like The Flash as a concept. It's got a lot of cool science fiction ideas built right into it; one of the hardest science fiction thing at DC historically, with Flash facts and all that. I really would like to have something good.

But this isn't that. And it's written by people who, on their other other projects and in their comics, most here would agree are shit writers. You all hated Green Lantern, right? Have you read Kreisburg's Green Arrow/Black Canary run? Or Helen Keller: Super Spy story? It's got objectively low production values.

I was mostly coming in here to have a bit of fun with this (newly developing, I think?) perception of me as someone who hates hates hates, but really. This is bargain basement plot with cheesy morals delivered in hamfisted ways by mediocre actors to generic music and shitty special effects.

Not even one of those are screenplays adapted from comic books. I'd expect those shows to be fresher and better written as the writers have far more freedom to take the characters where they want to.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 23, 2014, 12:57:28 PM
Astro criticizes the fuck out of everything. These are tv shows based on comics. Literally, this a show about a science geek that got struck by lightning, and now he can run really, really, really fast. What the fuck do you expect it to be? The Wire or Breaking Bad or some shit?.

Its supposed to be a fun show people watch, not some Emmy award winning critical darling. Relax.

I expect it to be decent, dude. Why do genre shows get such a pass so often? That's what I want to know. Why is the standard so much lower for these shows than for others?

Because it can be done. I liked Buffy, Angel. I LOVED Firefly. Battlestar Galactica, while not my thing, was at least good.

I really like The Flash as a concept. It's got a lot of cool science fiction ideas built right into it; one of the hardest science fiction thing at DC historically, with Flash facts and all that. I really would like to have something good.

But this isn't that. And it's written by people who, on their other other projects and in their comics, most here would agree are shit writers. You all hated Green Lantern, right? Have you read Kreisburg's Green Arrow/Black Canary run? Or Helen Keller: Super Spy story? It's got objectively low production values.

I was mostly coming in here to have a bit of fun with this (newly developing, I think?) perception of me as someone who hates hates hates, but really. This is bargain basement plot with cheesy morals delivered in hamfisted ways by mediocre actors to generic music and shitty special effects.

Not even one of those are screenplays adapted from comic books. I'd expect those shows to be fresher and better written as the writers have far more freedom to take the characters where they want to.

Comic books are just a sci-fi sub-genre. The 'limitations' of the source material are not what I'm talking about. They are miniscule. The problem is the craft, the casting.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Astro on October 25, 2014, 03:26:29 AM
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The problem is the craft, the casting.
The critiquing. ;)

The defensiveness.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 28, 2014, 08:07:03 AM
Finally caught the gas-man/Mist episode. This was definitely the worst episode of the series so far. Very mediocre... and every other conversation Barry had was about his mom's death.

Story-wise, we got no developments other than... Iris reveals that she is dating her dad's partner... which her dad then reveals that he figured out already.

The action sequences are entertaining (ie: Barry leaves a date to run across town and stop a car chase... all the police see is that the car of the criminal is suddenly empty... and then when they look in the backseat, the guy is back there handcuffed with a WTF-look on his face... that was straight up awesome). But the story needs to pick up some. Show Barry experimenting with his powers and limits a bit.

A few "freak of the week" villains is fine, but 3 bland ones in a row? Meh.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 28, 2014, 09:15:40 PM
ok that episode was awesome

Great rescue scenes which is always awesome
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2014, 10:01:11 PM
Hopefully he starts vibrating through shit sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 29, 2014, 09:22:07 AM
This ep was really good. And I like that Cold just ... gets away.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 29, 2014, 09:35:11 AM
I didn't see it yet but I'm glad you guys liked it. I was worried that, since Felicity was making an appearance, the captain was going to get *glasses* the cold shoulder.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 29, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
I didn't see it yet but I'm glad you guys liked it. I was worried that, since Felicity was making an appearance, the captain was going to get *glasses* the cold shoulder.
Wentworth Miller is only interested in that boy pussy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 29, 2014, 10:33:33 AM
I meant Cold wouldn't get enough focus you nub.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 29, 2014, 10:43:44 AM
I was already aware of that, sweetheart.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 29, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
Captain Cold was actually a great villain! Surprisingly hardcore.

Also that train feat was epic.

Also, that dress Felicity was wearing...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on October 29, 2014, 03:36:11 PM
I didn't see it yet but I'm glad you guys liked it. I was worried that, since Felicity was making an appearance, the captain was going to get *glasses* the cold shoulder.
Wentworth Miller is only interested in that boy pussy.

Bwahaha bad form brah... hahaha
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Necro on October 30, 2014, 04:37:26 AM
So, what's the opinion of the show so far?
Worth being watched?
Or more in the vein of smallville?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 30, 2014, 07:53:32 AM
So, what's the opinion of the show so far?
Worth being watched?
Or more in the vein of smallville?

Its somewhere Between Smallville and Arrow. If I was to pick a show that it reminds me of though I would say Eureka. They are not doing the best job introducing villains though. Overall I'd give it a B- with signs of improvement.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 30, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
The train rescue was awesome. So was Capt. Cold. I like that he's a planner and that he just sees Flash as another challenge.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 30, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
Oh man how did I not mention this

that scene where he's all Inception buzzing around that train wagon? Brill.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 30, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
Smallville never interested me. This show definitely does, so, i'd say, watchable.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 31, 2014, 07:44:40 AM
My only problem is that Cold didn't invent the gun himself.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 31, 2014, 07:46:54 AM
My only problem is that Cold didn't invent the gun himself.

I find that outweighed by the fact that he is a competent planner and bad ass.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 31, 2014, 07:50:28 AM
Yeah. I just always liked how he was thee pinnacle cold based character in DC. Even Mr. Freeze was jelly of his tech. I hope in his next appearance he mentions he studied the weapon and made some improvements or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 31, 2014, 08:11:28 AM
Yeah. I just always liked how he was thee pinnacle cold based character in DC. Even Mr. Freeze was jelly of his tech. I hope in his next appearance he mentions he studied the weapon and made some improvements or something.

Well he was able to shut down the method by which they were tracking him. My guess is that he'll study it and, eventually, be able to even reverse-engineer it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on October 31, 2014, 09:22:47 PM
My only problem is that Cold didn't invent the gun himself.

Depending on how you look at things, didn't invent a cold gun in the comics either. He'd heard that the emissions from a cyclotron could potentially slow Flash down, so he found the plans for a miniature cyclotron and cobbled together something he'd hoped would let him fire radiation that would interfere with the Flash's powers. He then brought the gun to the cyclotron and exposed it to the cyclotron's radiation, which somehow turned it into a cold gun.

So instead of building a gun that just happened to turn into a cold gun when exposed to a certain type of radiation, they just went with STAR Labs building it, which is fair enough for me. He already showed he was savvy enough to shut off the tracer they had in the gun, so he could potentially make his own modifications to it now. And it makes sense that a career criminal wouldn't necessarily have the chops to build an ice gun, while the head of the most advanced lab in revolutionary physics specifically designing an anti-Flash weapon could.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 07, 2014, 01:45:52 PM
Something I can't believe I missed the first time watching the Captain Cold episode, but when Felicity mentions Barry dying by "running too fast and ending up a pile of dust in a red costume", that was a reference to how Barry died in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Can't believe I didn't catch that the first time around.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 08, 2014, 08:38:39 AM
Anti-Monitor by season 3 of GTFO.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 08, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
Something I can't believe I missed the first time watching the Captain Cold episode, but when Felicity mentions Barry dying by "running too fast and ending up a pile of dust in a red costume", that was a reference to how Barry died in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Can't believe I didn't catch that the first time around.

I did catch felicity's bf wearing a starro shirt.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: boundtoflames on November 10, 2014, 07:21:24 PM
Is Caitlin's boyfriend Ronnie going to be Firestorm?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 10, 2014, 08:10:10 PM
yes
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 12, 2014, 12:32:07 AM
Well shit they really going for grodd

Wonder if they can make it look good with CW budget
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 12, 2014, 11:51:17 AM
The Flash feels very parallel to Agents of SHIELD, of all things, with General Talbot and Eiling filling the exact same kind of roles. I thought him shooting bomb lady was a copout though.

Like, we needed her dead for a very clean exit of the story.

Though dat Grodd Flashback though, zomg.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 12, 2014, 12:25:38 PM
Yeah when they mentioned psychic powers it didn't even occur to me they were referencing Grodd again until the end. This gonna be good. I hope they don't try to make him a sympathetic character.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 12, 2014, 01:01:11 PM
Yeah he should just be a monster.  Figuratively.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 12, 2014, 05:55:45 PM
I'm nervous about Grodd from how he'll look to if he'll come of interesting.  All I can think of his how fucked up the whole Doomsday thing was on Smallville.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 13, 2014, 06:17:11 AM
I'm nervous about Grodd from how he'll look to if he'll come of interesting.  All I can think of his how fucked up the whole Doomsday thing was on Smallville.

I hope we're not getting a CGI'd monkey face (well it's an ape to be precise) because TV can't bring us that convincingly yet. If they keep this gorilla "suit" as we saw it now, and then just have Grodd speak psychically, I'll be happy enough.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 13, 2014, 08:05:39 AM
Not nervous at all.
Just the way he's being introduced tells me they want it to be special.

Now, where is Captain Boomerang?

Captain Boomerang will be the Arrow/Flash crossover I think.

What they need to do with Grodd is keep him in the shadows as much as possible.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 13, 2014, 08:25:54 AM
Detective West is my favorite character on this show.

And Iris totally wanted to fuck Barry on the roof. Pro tip Barry: If you're trying to stop a chick from investigating you, try not to turn her on by doing cool shit and flirting with her.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: boundtoflames on November 13, 2014, 05:54:37 PM
That scene reminded me of the Superman movie when Lois tried to interview Superman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 13, 2014, 05:55:37 PM
I THOUGHT THE VERY SAME THING
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ramz on November 14, 2014, 10:15:57 PM
I watched like 2 minutes of this last week and I couldn't stomach that terrible voice augmentation. What the fuck? This shit is so cheese. The guy looked like shit also, btw.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 14, 2014, 11:24:01 PM
That was the only time he did it he probably won't be doing it often since Iris is the only supporting character who doesn't know he's The Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 15, 2014, 07:07:25 AM
I watched like 2 minutes of this last week and I couldn't stomach that terrible voice augmentation. What the fuck? This shit is so cheese. The guy looked like shit also, btw.

Tell me more, Gaara.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ramz on November 15, 2014, 01:53:10 PM
Voice augmentation is garbage, as is his suit. He looks like a clown. And that lightning effect is straight gay. Low budget costume hero shit like this just doesn't work.

Maybe its amazing acting though, and great nerd stories, who knows? I'm not as well versed as you are in making a decision in a 1 minutes viewing window based off of those key aspects that make up good TV.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 15, 2014, 01:57:27 PM
The show is fun but so far its nothing spectacular. They give you plenty of fan service though without it being so beat you over the head as Gotham.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 16, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KtWyv0v.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/si14tBH.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 16, 2014, 02:46:34 PM
"Wells" straight up merced a dude. You really think they're going to do a I'M NOT GOING TO END UP LIKE YOU future? It'd be more clever though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 16, 2014, 02:50:30 PM
We know they are doing some form of Crisis so yeah its very possible Wells is from a possible future where he is evil or at the very least more ruthless. Evil future self is a classic trope of time travel stories.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 17, 2014, 06:32:26 AM
Doubtful that Wells is a future Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 17, 2014, 09:15:47 AM
I'm still guessing Zoom/Reverse Flash. And if he's not, he's Kadabra.
I WANT KADABRA.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 17, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
I want Captain Boomerang.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 17, 2014, 02:20:22 PM
He's coming. Both of the 8th episodes of Flash and Arrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 17, 2014, 05:10:14 PM
I want Captain Boomerang.
SHUT YER MOUTH
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: boundtoflames on November 17, 2014, 06:37:21 PM
wells really wanted barry to become the flash and have nothing happen to him thus preserving the timeline what if wells is rip hunter?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 17, 2014, 07:41:49 PM
Why not?

Even when alone in private, he has displayed no powers. He has histories with the military and tech moguls that seem to go back to when he was younger.

And the fact that he isn't THAT much older than Barry, yet he looks nothing like him. You'd think that Barry or cop-dad would've made a connection like that by now.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 17, 2014, 08:00:49 PM
The guy is literally twice his age and I'm not even talking about the show. Tom Cavanagh is 51 years old and  Grant is 24.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 18, 2014, 10:01:16 PM
Well tonights episode points it more toward Wells being the Reverse Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 19, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
I'm beginning to get annoyed with the roof meetings. One was fine, but it doesn't need more of these.

Was hoping for a cooler effect on Girder, but hey, TV show, right.

Though the kid actor playing his bully was stupid.
How come shows like this and Gotham can never do childhood bullies convincing, they're always so damn cartoony. (Yeah. I know. Calling things cartoony on a show based on comics.)

Also I get that comic Girder was mainly just "a brute" but this felt a bit The OC to me.

Overall cool ep though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 19, 2014, 10:50:49 AM
I can't believe he revealed his identity. So now we know Girder is either going to die or go good. We also learn that Wells or someone that is working with him has super speed. We also know he's been around for at least a month after Barry's mom died. That leaves open the option he is Reverse Flash or Barry from the future. He could have traveled back in time but falling a month to late to save his mom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 19, 2014, 01:19:32 PM
Yeah so black cop dad West tells Wells about an old murder case and then Wells tells him to google a name and then a swirly man who's yellow and red sticks a knife in a photo of his daughter and no he's not Barry from the future
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
This was a fun episode - Infinite Mass Punch (Kinda). It looked so goofy though, they should have only gone into slow motion to see the fist connect, because the CGI Grant Gustin looked pretty bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 19, 2014, 02:44:40 PM
Yeah so black cop dad West tells Wells about an old murder case and then Wells tells him to google a name and then a swirly man who's yellow and red sticks a knife in a photo of his daughter and no he's not Barry from the future

Except if its harder version of Barry he might not have no problem trying to scare him off.

I did like the "Prof Zoom" bit. Black Dad Cop. "Gee I tell only 1 guy about the SECRET INVESTIGATION that I am doing and then the PERP magically appears and steals all the files and evidence, and threatens my daughter.... I WONDER WHO IT COULD BE?"

He's been pretty smart. I'm sure its going to automatically blame Wells.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on November 19, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
Yeah, no. Barry Allen isn't killing people or telling Plastique to kill anyone. This theory is crap.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 19, 2014, 02:47:40 PM
Yeah so black cop dad West tells Wells about an old murder case and then Wells tells him to google a name and then a swirly man who's yellow and red sticks a knife in a photo of his daughter and no he's not Barry from the future

Except if its harder version of Barry he might not have no problem trying to scare him off.

He's not Barry from the future
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 19, 2014, 02:48:38 PM
Hahaha "I don't like the idea so it can't be true."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 19, 2014, 03:01:31 PM
Yes, yes, yes, MK3Ultra, illuminati, it's all connected and there was a second gunman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 19, 2014, 03:13:03 PM
No second gunman. Just Magneto.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 19, 2014, 05:02:10 PM
No it wasn't Magneto either he had a magic bullet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 20, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
My pet theory is that Wells and Thawne are working on this together. Wells apparently has a significant history already in place, making the idea of him being a time traveler from the future less likely. Eddie tho, apparently showed up while Barry was in a coma, and then starts dating the girl Barry loves while he's in said coma.

What if Eddie traveled back in time to kill Barry's mom for whatever reason, and brought some future tech back with him to help push Wells' theories forward. That would explain the appearance of some of the more advanced tech and the newspaper from the future. What if Zoom has secured Wells' help by offering to save his wife before her death via time travel, and that's why he's so obsessed with keeping Barry alive: because Zoom is dangling the carrot of his wife in front of him.

Remember, it was revealed in the comics that the reason Zoom hated Barry was because Zoom had originally been a huge Barry Allen fanboy, had used future science to replicate Barry's powers, even altered his features to look like Barry, and had traveled back in time to meet Barry, only to wind up in the wrong time period. Deciding to replace Barry, he instead found out that Barry was going to kill him one day, which broke his mind and put him on the path to destroy Barry.

Meanwhile the second Zoom was obsessed with helping his Flash improve so that he would be the best hero he could.

What if this Zoom is a hybrid of the two? He's decided to make Barry a better hero by traveling back in time, giving him a tragic origin to make him more focused, and then has Wells accelerate things so that Barry gets his powers earlier, and while Barry is in a coma, he steps in as Eddie to romance Iris and make sure that Barry is focused on his job instead of his love life. Only Eddie actually falls for her, and eventually it'll all drive him to a true confrontation with the guy he admires.

It would make sense, since Eddie is so far the only member of the main cast who we haven't seen outside of his interaction with another cast member. Barry, Iris, her dad, Wells, even the two lab assistants, we've seen them by themselves, seen their private actions, thoughts, etc. Not Eddie. He's the only one so far whom we don't know his private thoughts, motivations, etc.

Also, Wells mentioned his wife could have gotten the particle accelerator up and running much quicker. What if Zoom has delayed things so that there's less metahumans in this world, at least initially? Though I hope we get some non-particle accelerator metahumans eventually.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 20, 2014, 08:24:44 PM
On another forum, someone pointed out also that Zoom and Wells could actually be in opposition of each other. Zoom coming back in time to kill Barry's mom might have altered history, with Wells somehow remembering the original timeline (possibly due to his work with his original particle accelerator). So he's training Barry to be a better hero Hunter Zolomon style in order for Barry to fix things so that he can stop Zoom and make sure things go back to the original timeline. That could explain Wells' willingness to kill, as he figures any deaths he'd be responsible for would be undone when the original timeline snaps back. It would also explain the wheelchair to make sure Zoom underestimates him and doesn't consider him a threat.

At the same time, it is extremely suspect that Zoom only targets Joe after Joe's talk with Wells, where Wells learns that Joe is investigating the death of Barry's mom. We'll just have to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 22, 2014, 03:13:25 PM
Leaving aside the Zoom debate, I did love Snart's reaction to being called 'Captain Cold'. He looked so completely amused by it that I have to believe that was the reason he let Cisco live. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one who starts coming up with code names for the Rogues and insisting they stick to them, using masks and what not to hide their identities.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 23, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
Leaving aside the Zoom debate, I did love Snart's reaction to being called 'Captain Cold'. He looked so completely amused by it that I have to believe that was the reason he let Cisco live. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the one who starts coming up with code names for the Rogues and insisting they stick to them, using masks and what not to hide their identities.

I'd totally buy and it goes with his whole we need to do things differently now mantra.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 26, 2014, 02:01:25 AM
Anyone else catch all of the name-drops on tonight's episode? We either just saw a lot of confirmed DC character kills, or we just got a checklist of future hero appearances on the show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on November 26, 2014, 02:45:49 AM
Will Everett aka Amazing Man, Ralph Dibny aka Elongated Man, Grant Emmerson aka Damage, Bea da Costa aka Fire, Al Rothstein aka Nuklon

ETA: Oh, and Ronnie Raymond, Firestorm of course. There were two other names, but I don't know if they're anybody. I think they're just the two dead people from the intro.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 27, 2014, 01:32:28 PM
Just saw the Blackout episode. So did Barry just outrace lightning?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 27, 2014, 05:06:53 PM
Shoutout to Wells being the future Barry Allen fantheory for being proven wrong this ep
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 27, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
Yeah, if Wells was future Barry, he'd already know what is the best methods of psychologically motivating him. That he found the ability to steal the Flash's powers so interesting was also troubling.

Also, as of now, is the metahuman prison now only containing the Mist? Girder's dead, Blackout's dead, the original Weather Wizard's dead, Multiplex is dead.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 27, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
I fucking HATED the fact they had Barry give Girder a speech at the end of the last ep, only to use him as cannon fodder even *after he shows tanking a blast from Blackout*, seeing as in the next scene he shows up getting slammed into a wall and then tells Barry to run.

Seriously.
That's Gotham level of lazy writing of we have no status quo.

Also Multiplex might be kinda alive, I'm willing to bank him using backup clones somehow, but yeah.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 27, 2014, 05:36:10 PM
Can I say I really enjoyed Clock King in this, and was hoping they were setting him up for something bigger, not knowing that he'd already been on Arrow?
Not watching Arrow, that show is still a hot piling mess.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 27, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
Yeah, if Wells was future Barry, he'd already know what is the best methods of psychologically motivating him. That he found the ability to steal the Flash's powers so interesting was also troubling.

Also, as of now, is the metahuman prison now only containing the Mist? Girder's dead, Blackout's dead, the original Weather Wizard's dead, Multiplex is dead.

Well, I think Dutch was referring to the fact that the future changed yet Wells still existed. Even though there was no record of Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 27, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
That. And Barry Allen, at no point, would have a computer called Gideon. Wouldn't be happy Barry dies in a Crisis (unless ZOMG THAT CRISIS SENDS BARRY BACK!? no, shut up.) wouldn't risk Barry's life, wouldn't do a study on his OWN personality I mean really, having a study on yourself analysing yourself not understanding yourself being a good guy because you, yourself was being a "hero" and saying his heroics is his weakness and how do you not know this if THIS IS YOUR PAST SELF.

No.

Wells isn't Barry.

And I wish Hawthorne had been crippled by the Clock King.

Because then I would have believed Ares' theory about Wells (Reverse Flash) / Zoom being against each other.

This show is steamrolling towards an obvious conclusion, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS BAD, but it's not trying to be plot twist clever.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 27, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
That. And Barry Allen, at no point, would have a computer called Gideon. Wouldn't be happy Barry dies in a Crisis (unless ZOMG THAT CRISIS SENDS BARRY BACK!? no, shut up.) wouldn't risk Barry's life, wouldn't do a study on his OWN personality I mean really, having a study on yourself analysing yourself not understanding yourself being a good guy because you, yourself was being a "hero" and saying his heroics is his weakness and how do you not know this if THIS IS YOUR PAST SELF.

No.

Wells isn't Barry.

And I wish Hawthorne had been crippled by the Clock King.

Because then I would have believed Ares' theory about Wells (Reverse Flash) / Zoom being against each other.

This show is steamrolling towards an obvious conclusion, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS BAD, but it's not trying to be plot twist clever.

Yeah, there's basically three possibilities at this point.

A) Wells is the Reverse Flash, a hybrid of Hunter Zolomon and Professor Zoom, being a fan of Barry's that wants to make him a better hero. It's also possible that the Wells we're seeing presently isn't the Reverse Flash yet, and that we're going to see him eventually become the RF and retroactively go back in time to jumpstart everything. Eddie Thawne in this case is just a red herring, possible Well's ancestor.

B) Wells and the Reverse Flash are working together. In this instance, Wells is trying to help Barry at the RF's prodding, while the RF really is Eddie.

C) Wells and the Reverse Flash are in opposition to each other. Wells is trying to prepare Barry for his eventual confrontation with the RF, and is taking whatever steps he can to ensure Barry becomes the hero they need. The RF has to allow a certain amount of this, as if he interferes too much he'll wipe himself out of existence. 

Right now A is looking the most likely.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 27, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
I haven't seen this weeks episode but it sounds like a doozy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on November 28, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
Just saw the Blackout episode. So did Barry just outrace lightning?

Certainly appears that way. A lightning strike travels somewhere around 90,000 mi/sec. Maybe Blackout's discharge bolts aren't as fast as actual lightning. Otherwise, Wells really understated Barry's new boost in abilities.

ETA: Apparently not quite that fast. The number I used was an estimated possibility. Anyway, it looks like lightning strikes at a speed closer to 4000 mi/sec. Still fucking fast.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 28, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
Yeah, when Barry did that, it was an "oh shit" moment.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 30, 2014, 11:06:15 AM
The future changing doesn't contradict Wells being Barry since they could have been going with the Back to the Future route of time travel. Wells not knowing how to make Barry faster and being so fascinated with Blackout stealing his powers does though. I mean no right out since its possible Wells already changed the course of events enough to consider Barry a different person but it would still seem really odd. After seeing the episode I think I might be leaning more towards the idea he is Rip Hunter. I don't think he's going to Reverse Flash though or working with him. That seems to obvious. I saw some theories that he is Bart Allen. I may kill a few people if thats true.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 30, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
I'd be super pissed if it Bart.  Maybe it Allen's son though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 01, 2014, 07:28:51 AM
While I'm not in the camp that thinks Wells is Barry from the future, I have given it a little thought. If he is future Barry, is there anything in Flash canon that would indicate why he would become so cold or so willing to sacrifice people? I've read some Barry Allen Flash stuff, but not a whole bunch. If he is future, slightly evil Barry and it's not anything from the comics, what do you think could have caused such a rash change in personality? I'm just spit-balling here, but maybe it's Iris's death? Or maybe Barry found out that someone he trusted and loved was responsible for his mother's death?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 01, 2014, 02:42:26 PM
There has been future versions of Flashes that have been more extreme that the current one like Dark Flash and Hot Pursuit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ramz on December 01, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
tell me more, neo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 01, 2014, 02:45:22 PM
Bart Allen is also from the future and I will murder you if Wells turns out to be Bart.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 01, 2014, 02:48:17 PM
What if he turns out to be Don Allen?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 01, 2014, 02:49:52 PM
I will kiss Ramz on the lips.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 07:57:56 AM
Yeah it was good. I'm looking forward to the rematch tonight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 03, 2014, 09:07:11 AM
It was a lot of fun. Hell, I applaud them solely for breaking out the Rainbow Raider as a Marvel Team Up excuse to have the heroes fight. I also like that, while Ollie was a bit of a jerk about it, he wasn't wrong about how Barry doesn't scope out a situation first, whereas Ollie usually cases a place before engaging. Plus Dig's reaction to Barry's speed was priceless.

Can't wait to see Capt. Boomerang tonight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
That's because Ollie is Batman

the show is about Batman

with a bow
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
No this show is about Superman with only super speed. Arrow is about Batman with a bow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
You have issues with interpretive reading.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 10:43:10 AM
I knew what you meant but since you said "the show" and not "his show" it opened me up to make The Flash/Superman comparison.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 10:45:12 AM
Then you're just a dumbass?

Glad we had this talk
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 10:48:04 AM
Why you gotta start beef, bro. I'm going to have a TI level meltdown over here. I'm going to dupe a couple of your topics now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 11:30:15 AM
Why you gotta start beef, bro.=
Apparently I'm "antagonistic" nowadays and Ramz fucking loves it and I cater only to Ramz
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
Walk away from that, man. He's going to take you to all his favorite spots in Pamplona but it won't be special because he already took Strider.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 12:34:27 PM
This episode was solid. I liked that Oliver addressed Barry's lack of tactical aptitude, and the writers did a great job of showing Oliver's ability to compensate for Flash's speed. I also really liked that Barry started out a bit arrogant but came around pretty quickly. Humility is a good quality for him to have. It's kind of refreshing in a superhero.

I was once again reminded of DC's ridiculous naming conventions. Seriously, a guy with a color-based power who just happens to be named Roy G. Bivolo? Rock on, Silver Age.

I'm wondering if Iris is going to have even less purpose on the show now that she won't be talking with Flash any more. The writers need to figure out something more than "She smiles real pretty" when figuring out what she's going to contribute week-to-week.

Also, I can't wait until Cisco develops his powers (assuming he does on this show). He's going to be so damn happy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 01:38:30 PM
Interesting picture:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/256h6j9.jpg)

Eddie and Wells are in the same room as Zoom/RF, seemingly removing either of them as being the Flash's nemesis. Then again, if RF is Eddie from the future, then it doesn't. Fucking time travel. It ruins all my ideas.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 02:10:07 PM
I've actually been tossing around the idea in my head that Well's is a completely alternate reality version of Barry, Batholomew Allen AKA Hot Pursuit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 03:23:17 PM
Wells certainly isn't future Barry though. He would have known who Ollie was.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 04:05:03 PM
Wells certainly isn't future Barry though. He would have known who Ollie was.
IT'S ALMOST
AS IF I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT
FROM THE START
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Yeah but nothing really contradicted the theory until the last two episode. Until then you were just like LS yelling about the Chuck is God theory.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 05:19:22 PM
It's pretty fucking obvious what writers set up in shows like this NeoGeo Pocket, and shit like that would have been telegraphed way more obviously than they did.

It was fanwank. Pure and simple.

Just as preposterous as River Song being Rory and Amy's child.

(wait)

ANYWAY I SAW THE EP yay ep

I still dislike ARROW AS BATMAN

stupid.

But I liked Dig, and Felicity, and the reason for Arrow and Flash to fight being a Red Kryptonite episode was blergh, but hey it works, can't really fault the show for that,

I disliked Arrow trying to teach Flash to be more like not-TheBatman as he is, and I hated the CONTINUING rooftop interviews which now... have stopped! (Or. Probably stopped.)

I disliked how they went from HEY WE FOUGHT, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO CATCH YOUR BAD GUY
oh we caught your bad guy
BUT

I liked the rest of the ep. Barry's like, HEY GUYS, THIS IS MY FRIEND, and everybody's like ARROW IS SHIT (yay) 'cause Barry is like this thing's Superman like Neo said, Rainbow Rider (was that really his name in the comics? Didn't really apply here so I don't know why they tacked on the name) was a ... decent enough random baddie,

but I wish they would start fleshing out more rogues, less random dudes who rob banks, more people with arcs and development and why the fuck did you kill Girder last ep, ffs.

I liked (IRONICALLY, *blows bubbles out of pipe) how Flash was beating up Iris' boyfriend and still concealing his identity with the voice changing (also Eddie's profile with lens flare in the background earlier in the ep. FORESHADOWING, TEH ZOMG)

Arrow's Preptime (tm) against Flash made for a fun fight scene. Even if hit someone with a thousand punches without them budging looks a bit silly if the dude is just a human.

But yeah. It made me think about continuing watching Arrow, despite me not going to.

Also Dig is cool.

And the final scene of the show was ... wait, why did they add that on? Is that the same dude from the Captain Cold ep? Is that Heatwave? Tell me that isn't Heatwave.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 05:28:56 PM
It's pretty fucking obvious what writers set up in shows like this NeoGeo Pocket, and shit like that would have been telegraphed way more obviously than they did.

It was fanwank. Pure and simple.

Just as preposterous as River Song being Rory and Amy's child.

(wait)



Hahahaha
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 05:53:03 PM
A scientific genius with a time-related name who has a supercomputer that can see into the future - yep. Gotta be Reverse Flash. Certainly doesn't sound like anyone else in DC.

Wells being RF was never really a thought of mine (because TO Morrow exists), but what about Thawne? I mean, the name could be a red herring, but is the CW known for that kind of thing? I'm honestly asking because Flash and Arrow are the only shows I've ever watched from that studio.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 05:55:37 PM
A scientific genius with a time-related who has a supercomputer that can see into the future - yep. Gotta be Reverse Flash. Certainly doesn't sound like anyone else in DC.

KADABRA
sons of bitches
I'm going to wank my OWN FAN
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
... NO WAIT
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
A scientific genius with a time-related who has a supercomputer that can see into the future - yep. Gotta be Reverse Flash. Certainly doesn't sound like anyone else in DC.

KADABRA
sons of bitches
I'm going to wank my OWN FAN

But, but ... T.O. Morrow... i was so sure
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 06:51:27 PM
Quote
And the final scene of the show was ... wait, why did they add that on? Is that the same dude from the Captain Cold ep? Is that Heatwave? Tell me that isn't Heatwave.

No dude that was Robbie Raymond, AKA Firestorm, AKA the person they showed Caitlyn pining over seconds before the scene.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 06:55:05 PM
Wait
Caitlyn who
what
hang on
you make it sound as if I have to pay attention to the entire show

...
so that girl that Arrow talked to was a preestablished character?

Sorry but the "No, I'm not cold" threw me off because it made me think "Cold" "Heat"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 03, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Wait
Caitlyn who
what
hang on
you make it sound as if I have to pay attention to the entire show

...
so that girl that Arrow talked to was a preestablished character?

Sorry but the "No, I'm not cold" threw me off because it made me think "Cold" "Heat"

Sorry, I don't know when you're serious, joking or drunk. But yeah, Caitlyn's been around. She should end up as Killer Frost eventually.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
Two out of three.

I'll leave you to determine.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 07:29:26 PM
No not the girl that Ollie was talking to. That is his Baby Momma. Caitlyn as in the chick on The Flash who acts as his medic and who believes her boyfriend, Robbie Raymond, was killed during the accident but he really became a hobo with superpowers who lives under a bridge.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1979644160/ch0412598

The Gemma Simmon's ripoff.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 03, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
Finally saw the ep. Very cool. Especially the sidekick banter. "So... it was a tie."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 03, 2014, 11:50:42 PM
This was a lot of fun, and felt like those old Marvel Comic Team Up issues where there's a fairly understandable contrivance to get the characters fighting. I also loved that the actual support teams got in a typical 'who would win' debate. Hell, I applaud them simply for using the Rainbow Raider as a villain and even name-dropping him while giving him an in-universe name that isn't quite so goofy. The only thing I didn't really care for was the now trite "The police are forming a task force to deal with the superhero" issue they've come up with. My only hope is that they drop that after a few episodes due to the Flash's more openly heroic nature, as well as more public metahuman activity where he visibly saves people. I got my fill of 'hero is mistrusted by the police' in Arrow, and Man of Steel, and the Dark Knight saga, and the Spider-Man movies, etc.

I will say its nice to see a hero who actually enjoys being a hero and likes helping people, rather than some brooding, angsting, morose jerk who whines about how terrible his life is, having superpowers that force him to do good because of the responsibility.

Also looking forward to the next couple of episodes. Reverse Flash next episode and maybe Firestorm? Awesome. I also don't know that we can still rule out any of the two major suspects as Zoom, given time travel and what not, but it'll be cool to see a superspeed duel on this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 04, 2014, 05:05:07 AM
Wait
Caitlyn who
what
hang on
you make it sound as if I have to pay attention to the entire show

...
so that girl that Arrow talked to was a preestablished character?


The girl on Flash's, "Flash-Cave" team.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 04, 2014, 09:31:21 AM
How did Arrow know her though
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 04, 2014, 09:36:53 AM
How did Arrow know her though

You're talking about 2 different people. The girl Arrow talked to was his former girlfriend/baby mama.

Caitlyn is the chick on Team Speedtm and Firestorm's girlfriend.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on December 04, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
How did Arrow know her though

It was a chick he was banging before he got shipwrecked that got pregnant, and Moira Queen subsequently paid to go away. This unnamed chick lied to Ollie and told him she wasn't pregnant or had a miscarriage or whatever. Clearly that kid was born, and is highly likely to be named Connor Hawke.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 04, 2014, 10:57:23 AM
How did Arrow know her though

You're talking about 2 different people. The girl Arrow talked to was his former girlfriend/baby mama.

Caitlyn is the chick on Team Speedtm and Firestorm's girlfriend.
this is why I'm confused
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 04, 2014, 12:24:54 PM
This is why I hate CW.   ITS ALL A SOAP OPERA cause you know.....GAYS AND GIRLS!!!!!!

Ironically, you constantly bitching about these shows is very like a woman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 05, 2014, 12:37:28 PM
This is why I hate CW.   ITS ALL A SOAP OPERA cause you know.....GAYS AND GIRLS!!!!!!
That's why Flash is better Arrow. Well, that and the people writing Arrow are determined to turn Oliver into Batman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 05, 2014, 07:33:15 PM
no
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 05, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
Yup. Nolan got Batman right in Begins, after that, it was clear he didn't understand the fundamental concept of the character. The Arrow writers are clearly emulating Nolan on most everything.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 07, 2014, 01:51:44 AM
At lets be honest he wasn't that good of a fighter either.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 07, 2014, 05:15:56 AM
As much as Nolan's Batman is dry and unexciting in bits, and a bit ashamed of what it is,

Arrow is some of the sloppiest hot shit drama "I WISH YOU DIED ON THAT ISLAND" I'm killing bad people YOU SHOULDN'T KILL BAD PEOPLE let's flashback to a time which contributes fuck all to the plot! bunk I've seen. So no. The people behind Arrow wouldn't make better Batman movies.

'cause they can't even make an Arrow show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 08, 2014, 12:22:04 AM
@Dutch
Yes.

@Bandido
I wouldnt say Nolan got him right at all. He spent the whole first boring half of the movie learning h2h. Where was the detective work? Where was the acquiring of computer skills, theater work, magic, forensics, etc?
Before you say thats too much, dividing the h2h training into sections would easily have allowed for all of that and more.

But he was more spiritually true to the character than those live-action representations before it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 08, 2014, 12:41:54 AM
....there was only two before him. Its not like the bar was set too high for him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 08, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57608

This news pleases me
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 08, 2014, 12:02:20 PM
The current Flash creative team are showing a lot of respect for the 90's Flash show. Everything from casting John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad, to Amanda Pays reprising her role as Tina McGee, and now we're getting Mark F***ING Hamill back as the Trickster. It's so nice to see a current show paying tribute to what came before it, as opposed to how most films seem to openly mock the works they're a revision of. The Green Hornet and Lone Ranger films are essentially parodies and deconstructions of the franchises that came before them, while Clash of the Titans included a character from the previous films solely as a middle finger to fans. It's nice to see the Flash team actually being respectful of the previous attempt.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 08, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
The current Flash creative team are showing a lot of respect for the 90's Flash show. Everything from casting John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad, to Amanda Pays reprising her role as Tina McGee, and now we're getting Mark F***ING Hamill back as the Trickster. It's so nice to see a current show paying tribute to what came before it, as opposed to how most films seem to openly mock the works they're a revision of. The Green Hornet and Lone Ranger films are essentially parodies and deconstructions of the franchises that came before them, while Clash of the Titans included a character from the previous films solely as a middle finger to fans. It's nice to see the Flash team actually being respectful of the previous attempt.

Agreed, although I would have preferred Shipp as Jay Garrick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 08, 2014, 01:07:20 PM
....there was only two before him. Its not like the bar was set too high for him.
Regardless of how low or high the bar was set, Begins was an accurate (approximately) translation of the character's motivations and personality, while still early in his Batman life...

Curse you for making me defend Nolan in anything.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 08, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
The current Flash creative team are showing a lot of respect for the 90's Flash show. Everything from casting John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad, to Amanda Pays reprising her role as Tina McGee, and now we're getting Mark F***ING Hamill back as the Trickster. It's so nice to see a current show paying tribute to what came before it, as opposed to how most films seem to openly mock the works they're a revision of. The Green Hornet and Lone Ranger films are essentially parodies and deconstructions of the franchises that came before them, while Clash of the Titans included a character from the previous films solely as a middle finger to fans. It's nice to see the Flash team actually being respectful of the previous attempt.

Agreed, although I would have preferred Shipp as Jay Garrick.

. . . . that is mother f***ing GENIUS.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 08, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
It's okay Ares
you can say fucking
we're all adults here
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 08, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
. . . . that is mother f***ing GENIUS.

Yeah, when I first heard he was going to be on the show, that's what I was hoping for. Barry's dad is cool, too but this would've been perfect. Especially now that Mcgee and Hamil are returning.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 09, 2014, 08:02:54 AM
So far no.

I read another theory Wells is Metron. 1: Because he's in a chair 2: Because is some prequel comic he had a closet of futuristic tech and one of the items looked like Orion's harness thing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 09, 2014, 04:02:15 PM
^ That would actually be awesome. IE: it won't happen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 09, 2014, 04:32:16 PM
Metron is Barry Allen from the future.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 09, 2014, 04:55:05 PM
Barry Allen has 10 letters. Metron has 6 letters. 10 minus 6 equals 4. Wells being Mr. Fantastic is confirmed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 09, 2014, 07:59:23 PM
No, you're leaving out the future part. Reed + future = Nathaniel Richards. Or Kang maybe.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 09, 2014, 08:41:50 PM
Anyone else looking forward to tonight, where we finally see the Reverse Flash in action?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 09, 2014, 09:00:48 PM
Yeah. I won't be able to watch it until like 10:30 though because of stupid work being stupid.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 09, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
Well they answer who the Reverse Flash is but I'm confused by it or maybe he's just that fast.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Saitou Hajime on December 09, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
So was Zoom really faster than Barry or just more experienced and ruthless?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 09, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
All 3.  He was basically toying with him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on December 09, 2014, 11:37:21 PM
So was Zoom really faster than Barry or just more experienced and ruthless?

Apparently he is the Reverse-Flash in this one. And yeah he is definitely faster. Didn't look like he could vibrate though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 12:26:16 AM
Well they answer who the Reverse Flash is but I'm confused by it or maybe he's just that fast.

What part are you confused by? How Wells can be beat up by RF? Cause you know time travel and shit. Of course that also means Wells still might not be RF because time travel and shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 10, 2014, 12:29:38 AM
Well they answer who the Reverse Flash is but I'm confused by it or maybe he's just that fast.

What part are you confused by? How Wells can be beat up by RF? Cause you know time travel and shit. Of course that also means Wells still might not be RF because time travel and shit.

Well didnt they say it was 2 speedster that night

maybe Zoom and Reverse Flash teamed up
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 12:41:05 AM
My money is on it being RF and Barry in the middle of the fight. IIRC something pulls Barry out of the house. I think he might have saved himself.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on December 10, 2014, 01:02:38 AM
It's Reverse-Flash and Barry. I think Reverse-Flash is Wells from further along the timeline most likely, and it's probably a safe bet that Wells is actually Eobard Thawne, descendant of Eddie Thawne, which is why he didn't hurt him. Flash's biggest fan who came back in time to make him a better Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 10, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
I'm curious how this plays out. The device charging up his costume reminds me of how the original Zoom relied on a specially treated version of the Flash's costume for his powers.

I'm expecting this'll be some kind of fake out. The problem with trying to guess at anything in this show is that time travel means the writers have even more wiggle room to pull fast ones. Pun very much intended.

The Reverse Flash has a lot more experience, was noticeably faster, and talked about Barry like they'd fought before, which was either a fake out or he's from further along in the timeline, after he and Barry have fought several times. If the costume is the source of the powers, then Wells might not necessarily be the only Reverse Flash in universe. So the one that was beating him up was either his future self, who he's coordinating with, or it was someone else.

It's possible that Wells has engineered that suit to help train Barry, pretending to be the Reverse Flash in order to motivate him to go faster and be better. If that's the case, then there's another Reverse Flash out their with natural powers who is even more dangerous.

Who the second speedster that was fighting Zoom in the past, and possibly around Joe, has a few possibilities. It could be an older Barry from the future, protecting his past self, OR it could be either Jay or Wally. Wally would make for something interesting, being a future Flash saving his beloved uncle, while Jay would have actually been around in the past and was saving Barry, possibly after being tipped off by Wells.

I'm curious to see how this goes.

One thing I especially loved was Joe's talk with Barry, how he mentioned all of the pain Barry endured and how he refused to let it make him a bitter person. God damn but I wish these guys were writing something Captain Marvel related, because these guys get Billy Batson style heroes.

It also reminded me of the Arrow / Flash team up, which had an interesting dichotomy. When Ollie shows up in Barry's home town, he helps Barry be a better superhero. When Barry shows up in Ollie's home town, he helps Ollie to be a better human being. Barry is a sweet, noble guy who just lacks experience as a hero, while Ollie is an experienced hero whose personality has become more and more messed up by the tragedy he endured. It was nice to see them play off each other in that way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 10, 2014, 03:26:30 AM
If Wells needs to charge and wear the suit in order to have speedster powers, how did he do the vibrating larynx voice thing?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on December 10, 2014, 07:34:32 AM
I'm curious how this plays out. The device charging up his costume reminds me of how the original Zoom relied on a specially treated version of the Flash's costume for his powers.

I'm expecting this'll be some kind of fake out. The problem with trying to guess at anything in this show is that time travel means the writers have even more wiggle room to pull fast ones. Pun very much intended.

The Reverse Flash has a lot more experience, was noticeably faster, and talked about Barry like they'd fought before, which was either a fake out or he's from further along in the timeline, after he and Barry have fought several times. If the costume is the source of the powers, then Wells might not necessarily be the only Reverse Flash in universe. So the one that was beating him up was either his future self, who he's coordinating with, or it was someone else.

It's possible that Wells has engineered that suit to help train Barry, pretending to be the Reverse Flash in order to motivate him to go faster and be better. If that's the case, then there's another Reverse Flash out their with natural powers who is even more dangerous.

Who the second speedster that was fighting Zoom in the past, and possibly around Joe, has a few possibilities. It could be an older Barry from the future, protecting his past self, OR it could be either Jay or Wally. Wally would make for something interesting, being a future Flash saving his beloved uncle, while Jay would have actually been around in the past and was saving Barry, possibly after being tipped off by Wells.

I'm curious to see how this goes.

One thing I especially loved was Joe's talk with Barry, how he mentioned all of the pain Barry endured and how he refused to let it make him a bitter person. God damn but I wish these guys were writing something Captain Marvel related, because these guys get Billy Batson style heroes.

It also reminded me of the Arrow / Flash team up, which had an interesting dichotomy. When Ollie shows up in Barry's home town, he helps Barry be a better superhero. When Barry shows up in Ollie's home town, he helps Ollie to be a better human being. Barry is a sweet, noble guy who just lacks experience as a hero, while Ollie is an experienced hero whose personality has become more and more messed up by the tragedy he endured. It was nice to see them play off each other in that way.
It was my impression from the very beginning that it was Barry fighting the Reverse-Flash (although I thought he would be called Zoom). Via time travel that night his mother was murdered in a manner similar to the Flash: Rebirth storyline, where it was revealed pretty much everything bad that happened in Barry's life was caused by Zoom. And that in some paradoxical manner, Barry saved himself from Zoom during the fight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 10, 2014, 09:03:44 AM
If Wells needs to charge and wear the suit in order to have speedster powers, how did he do the vibrating larynx voice thing?

Residual energies from the suit, he uses a voice changer for that effect like over in Arrow, any number of reasons they could come up with. The fact that he was pumping his suit full of tachyon energies implies that the suit is either the source of his powers, or a major contributor of it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 09:25:48 AM
What are the odds that Wells/Reverse Flash/who ever is in the yellow suit's powers are more like Hunter Zolomon not just tapping the speed force.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on December 10, 2014, 09:42:08 AM
Well, we have no idea if there even is a Speed Force in this setting. They did point out that they both have similar lightning effects when they run tho, so it's up in the air.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 09:43:45 AM
They mentioned in the blackout episode that Barry is tapping some kind of power source so I'm sure it will come into play at some point.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 10, 2014, 10:25:01 AM
If Wells needs to charge and wear the suit in order to have speedster powers, how did he do the vibrating larynx voice thing?

Residual energies from the suit, he uses a voice changer for that effect like over in Arrow, any number of reasons they could come up with. The fact that he was pumping his suit full of tachyon energies implies that the suit is either the source of his powers, or a major contributor of it.

Yeah, it was obvious that he was  powering up the suit, and since the tachyon emitter was just created, it would have been for the first time. That would mean no residual energies. I'm still in the camp that says Wells is from "our" time, and RF is from the future (also likely Wells, but whatever). I wasn't trying to say the voice vibration was some kind of theory breaker. I wasn't even trying to make a point. I was asking in hopes that it wasn't just a silly effect only aimed at tipping off the audience to Wells' identity. I figure the suit did that well enough. I guess it could point to Wells having powers before, but they were weakened, and he needed a jump.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
If you watch the scene again you'll see it wasn't just the voice but he also started to heal quickly too. I think it was caused by residual energy coming off the suit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 10, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
So unless they pull off a twist, I don't see anybody but Wells (timetravelled or no) being Reverse Flash. UNLESS they  have Thawne be the Reverse Flash and then Wells be ANOTHER Reverse Flash because time travel and shit but that's probably too complicated for regular TV.

Pretty fucking cool ep though.

The only thing that really bothered me is

THIS GUY IS FIRESTORM - two eps ago

THIS GUY IS FIRESTORM, IS FIRESTORM, IS FIRESTORM - this ep

*single scene worth a damn*

"Don't look for me."
*flies off*

Jesus fuck, Deus Ex Machina much.

also, Iris.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 10, 2014, 04:23:31 PM
 

It was my impression from the very beginning that it was Barry fighting the Reverse-Flash (although I thought he would be called Zoom) via time travel that night his mother was murdered in a manner similar to the Flash: Rebirth storyline where it was revealed pretty much everything bad that happened in Barry's life was caused by Zoom. And that is some paradoxical manner, Barry saved himself from Zoom during the fight.
This. Cisco specifically mentions colours of lightning.
If you watch the scene again you'll see it wasn't just the voice but he also started to heal quickly too. I think it was caused by residual energy coming off the suit.
I did three times but I can't see fuck all difference.
Wells being Barry from the future confirmed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 05:20:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/R17hFfF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/txPo3Nm.jpg)
Bruise on head disappearing. Eye cut on right eye almost gone.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 10, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Dicks should have made it more clear, and I need better glasses.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 10, 2014, 06:10:16 PM
If you watch the scene again you'll see it wasn't just the voice but he also started to heal quickly too. I think it was caused by residual energy coming off the suit.
Sure, but it still doesn't really answer my question, unless we're just using the word "residual" differently. If you mean the suit was giving off an ambient energy that was infusing Wells' body and giving him a touch of Flash powers, then I understand what you mean. That is what it looks like, but that would be kind of silly since it would mean that anyone around RF would react in a similar way.

However, residual generally means remnants, which would mean you're saying that Wells had RF powers before and is still benefiting from what ever bit of juice he had left in his system. I'm not saying that's not possible, I'm asking if that's what anyone thinks.

I guess it comes down to a question of whether or not Wells is from our timeline and is experiencing all this for the first time (with RF being a future version of himself) or if Wells is already from the future and RF is another future Wells or a possible descendant, future Eddie, etc. Of course, there's a third, terrible possibility, and that is that Wells and RF are the exact same person (not future/past versions of each other) and he was just moving so quickly that he appeared to be in two places at once (one in costume, one out of costume). I guess there's a fourth as well: the tachyon emitter doesn't give RF his powers, it just turbo-charges it. But that seems unlikely.

Also, how did RF move through the containment field to grab Wells? Did I miss something there? At first I thought he could have at any point and was just toying with everyone. But he didn't actually escape until the field was lowered.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 10, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
It's because Wells was INSIDE the containment field
...
as well as being OUTSIDE of the containment field

zomg timetravel
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 10, 2014, 06:29:54 PM
If you watch the scene again you'll see it wasn't just the voice but he also started to heal quickly too. I think it was caused by residual energy coming off the suit.
Sure, but it still doesn't really answer my question, unless we're just using the word "residual" differently. If you mean the suit was giving off an ambient energy that was infusing Wells' body and giving him a touch of Flash powers, then I understand what you mean. That is what it looks like, but that would be kind of silly since it would mean that anyone around RF would react in a similar way.

However, residual generally means remnants, which would mean you're saying that Wells had RF powers before and is still benefiting from what ever bit of juice he had left in his system. I'm not saying that's not possible, I'm asking if that's what anyone thinks.

I guess it comes down to a question of whether or not Wells is from our timeline and is experiencing all this for the first time (with RF being a future version of himself) or if Wells is already from the future and RF is another future Wells or a possible descendant, future Eddie, etc. Of course, there's a third, terrible possibility, and that is that Wells and RF are the exact same person (not future/past versions of each other) and he was just moving so quickly that he appeared to be in two places at once (one in costume, one out of costume). I guess there's a fourth as well: the tachyon emitter doesn't give RF his powers, it just turbo-charges it. But that seems unlikely.

Also, how did RF move through the containment field to grab Wells? Did I miss something there? At first I thought he could have at any point and was just toying with everyone. But he didn't actually escape until the field was lowered.

Residual was the wrong word. Basically when he was transferring the tachyons to the suit some of them were coming off during the transfer and they were effecting him. On the subject of the field. Everyone assumed that the field would work because they were thinking his powers were the same as Barry's. If this Reverse Flash's powers are actually like Hunter Zolomon's then he doesn't tap into the speed force. He messes with the time stream. If thats true then there could be some hand wavy shenanigans going on. Basically saying his powers can can alter the field some how letting him escape. Or he vibrated through the field.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 10, 2014, 07:29:06 PM
Okay. I get it now, thanks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 10, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Very cool episode. Reverse Flash letting Eddie live is a big hint to a connection, especially since the show has Eddie bring it up.

So any theory about Reverse Flash needs to include Eddie. For Wells, we don't know if he is from the future or if he just found a way to gather future tech/info. He did know the explosion would make Barry the Flash... and he knows about Flash's future. He's also very concerned with Barry becoming a good hero.

Reverse Flash similarly seems to be goading Barry to do better. And RF stole the tachyon device that Wells later has in his secret room. The two men are clearly working together.

A possible guess: RF is Eddie from the future. Future Eddie supplies Wells with future tech and info, so long as Wells helps Barry achieve his full potential. And in a Terminator-like way, future Eddie has Wells develop the tech needed to make Eddie into the RF one day.

Wells activating the suit may have transferred some energy to him, giving him the voice effect and healing for a moment. But this may just be his preparation of the suit for Eddie to one day receive.

The hole in the theory: why would Eddie get this obsessed over Barry becoming a great hero? Guy doesn't like the Flash or Barry much, so it would be a crazy turn around. Eddie becoming a villain who HATES Flash/Barry makes sense. But one who obsessedly loves Flash/Barry?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 11, 2014, 12:12:00 AM
Maybe Eddie will end up wanting to make Flash a better hero, not out of admiration, but out of necessity. Maybe there's a point in future Eddie's past where Barry doesn't save the day and it costs Eddie something. Isn't that basically the Zolomon/Wally story-line? I wouldn't be surprised if they co-opted that for this series.

Or maybe he wants to harm Flash, but Wells won't let him. "Hurt Barry, and I won't make your suit" or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 11, 2014, 05:47:05 AM
Maybe Iris dies because Flash fails? But then the question is... why doesn't Eddie just time travel to save Iris himself?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on December 11, 2014, 06:56:24 AM
Maybe Iris dies because Flash fails? But then the question is... why doesn't Eddie just time travel to save Iris himself?
Maybe it's a two-man job. Flash and RF working together to save the girl - sounds like something we'd be force-fed by CW. Because nothing makes arch-enemies put aside their differences like a sweet piece of ass.

Of course with time travel being a thing, future-future RF could travel back in time and work with future RF to ...whatever. Ooh, I bet it's because of the power of Barry's spirit. RF may be faster (for now), but he can't match Barry's heart. Because bad storytelling.

Sorry, I'm tired and cranky. But your point still stands.

Maybe Wells is just the obsessed one, and he makes Eddie do the heavy lifting. There could be any number of reasons for Wells' obsession.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 11, 2014, 10:43:20 AM
I hope it's something more than "he's just an insane fan".
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 11, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
I hope it's something more than "he's just an insane fan".

"He spins almost as fast as Barry runs and he doesn't get dizzy! Let's call him The Insane Fan! or The Top!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 11, 2014, 09:53:12 PM
Maybe Eddie will end up wanting to make Flash a better hero, not out of admiration, but out of necessity. Maybe there's a point in future Eddie's past where Barry doesn't save the day and it costs Eddie something. Isn't that basically the Zolomon/Wally story-line? I wouldn't be surprised if they co-opted that for this series.

Or maybe he wants to harm Flash, but Wells won't let him. "Hurt Barry, and I won't make your suit" or something.
That would feel very "Young Justice-y", I like it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on December 12, 2014, 04:32:39 AM
Who the second speedster that was fighting Zoom in the past, and possibly around Joe, has a few possibilities. It could be an older Barry from the future, protecting his past self, OR it could be either Jay or Wally. Wally would make for something interesting, being a future Flash saving his beloved uncle, while Jay would have actually been around in the past and was saving Barry, possibly after being tipped off by Wells.

That's a really cool idea and would be a very appropriate and dramatic way to introduce Jay Garrick to the show. It would also make for a great narrative to have Wally West travel from the future to the distant past to save young Barry from Reverse-Flash; we just need an appropriate introduction of Wally to the show to make that a very satisfying plot line.

It does tend to leave open the question of what role Wally's twin kids play in the mystery, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on December 12, 2014, 04:38:15 AM
Maybe Reverse-Flash is Eddie from the future that fell into a black hole and is secretly sending signals to Wells' evil computer in the past by pushing down books from behind a bookshelf.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 12, 2014, 03:20:22 PM
Might be a twist and Eddie in the Present is Reverse-Flash. He's able to stay young because he controls his own timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on December 13, 2014, 12:22:51 AM
This show sounds pretty crazy?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 13, 2014, 07:39:31 AM
Could be that Reverse-Flash is an evil clone of Barry from the future who has a gay crush on himself.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 13, 2014, 07:53:36 AM
This show sounds pretty crazy?
YOU'RE crazy
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 13, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
I really do hope they pull some sort of twist and it isn't Wells.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 13, 2014, 08:00:13 PM
There has to be a second guy, so even if Wells is evil, there's another unknown guy running around as R-F.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 13, 2014, 08:24:26 PM
I'd love it if it was Eddie who thinks he's superpowered but in reality it's Wells giving him power. And then Wells fucks him. Figuratively.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 14, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Do you know what would be crazy? If RF turned out to be his dad via some time travel shenanigans.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 14, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
Actually... seeing how RF has red eyes its not that impossible. Or at least it being a good guy with rage induced.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 14, 2014, 02:19:54 PM
I was thinking it for a while, when his dad was giving that speech in prison.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 14, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
Barry's dad is future Barry confirmed
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 15, 2014, 06:20:18 AM
His dad being RF would be the biggest mind fuck ever.

But I highly doubt that's the case.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 15, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
Fry syndrome?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 15, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
His dad being RF would be the biggest mind fuck ever.

But I highly doubt that's the case.

It turning out to be his dad might be taking it too far but I wouldn't be surprised if the red eyes were an indication its someone in rage mode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 15, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
Barry's dad is future Barry confirmed

Barry's dad as Future Barry as Wells confirmed
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 15, 2014, 05:08:26 PM
Barry's dad is future Barry confirmed

Barry's dad as Future Barry as Wells confirmed
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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 15, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
Sinestro Corp and Star Sapphire Corp blowing up heads confirmed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 15, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Barry's dad is future Eddie cloned by Wells. That's right. Eddie fucked Barry's mom, killed her, framed himself for the murder, then fucked Iris, threatened to kill Barry's black dad, ruined Barry's Christmas, beat the fuck outta Barry's science dad/his creator, and we're only halfway through season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 08, 2015, 07:07:25 AM
New commercial/promo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykw3ZsfGNGE&feature=player_embedded

I fucking love the rogues getting on TV and calling Flash out. And Pied Piper? This show fucking LOVES that it is a comic show, and I am fucking loving it back. HARD.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 08, 2015, 07:09:31 AM
Also, who is the new black chick that pops up twice in commercial? I wonder if Barry puts Iris aside as a love interest and dips into new jungle fever territory.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 12, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Captain Cold and Heatwave

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/FLA110b-0381b-18eab.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on January 13, 2015, 01:30:49 AM
All those cool points from CC's first ep, gone...


See what I did there?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on January 13, 2015, 01:35:57 AM
fucked love how comic booky this show is
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Saitou Hajime on January 20, 2015, 10:10:48 PM
Every line from Miller being gold made up for Purcell disappointing as per usual. I like how Snart was looking forward to fighting Barry again, and in true Scofield fashion, even had a plan for when things went sour.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 21, 2015, 10:42:56 AM
New episode was fucking fantastic!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 21, 2015, 12:04:34 PM
It was fun but the suspension of belief was strong with this one. I mean not just putting aside that Barry could have just run up and punched them in the face but also because the cops probably shouldn't have just stood their and watched them fight but instead snipered the fuck out of them.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 21, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
Well, yeah but that was part of the fun for me. It felt like an actual comic, complete with ham & cheese plus a little PIS/CIS. I also liked that while Flash can handle Cold and Heatwave fairly easily, I can see how adding 2-3 more Rogues would make things difficult for him. Flash finally going public and Cold using his actual villain name to the masses were very cool, too.

Also, now that we know Wells is Reverse Flash, I like that they have him dropping all kinds of snarky/obvious (to us) statements. And the scene between him and Det. West (my favorite character) was gold! They make this show.

Oh and great Ghostbusters reference lol
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on January 21, 2015, 05:59:47 PM
I liked other-dude-from-Prison-Break as Heatwave, but overall I thought this episode was below par. Their big plan was to lure the fastest man alive into a street, and shoot at him.

*shrug*
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 21, 2015, 09:47:59 PM
So is it now canon that Prison Break and Flash are in the same universe?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on January 22, 2015, 12:09:20 AM
It was fun but the suspension of belief was strong with this one. I mean not just putting aside that Barry could have just run up and punched them in the face but also because the cops probably shouldn't have just stood their and watched them fight but instead snipered the fuck out of them.

Yeah, I've always found it difficult to enjoy a story about a ridiculously powerful hero fighting against a villain who is just a regular guy with an awesome gun or piece of tech. There are ways for the villain to get a shot in on occasion, such as when Cold froze the ground, but for the most part it seemed like Barry was too concerned with crossing the streams when he could have easily just taken the guns away.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 22, 2015, 07:08:14 AM
It was fun but the suspension of belief was strong with this one. I mean not just putting aside that Barry could have just run up and punched them in the face but also because the cops probably shouldn't have just stood their and watched them fight but instead snipered the fuck out of them.

Yeah, I've always found it difficult to enjoy a story about a ridiculously powerful hero fighting against a villain who is just a regular guy with an awesome gun or piece of tech. There are ways for the villain to get a shot in on occasion, such as when Cold froze the ground, but for the most part it seemed like Barry was too concerned with crossing the streams when he could have easily just taken the guns away.

Yep. Especially since in the first few moments of the fight, he runs right between them, causing them to be pushed away slightly. He could have punched either of them. Or grabbed the guns.

It seemed like a stupid plan for Cold (a guy who came off much smarter in the first appearance), but then there's the reveal that he planned the whole thing to get Flash revealed to the public... and they escape. So Cold's actions at least make some sense. Getting caught was never a problem for him, so his lack of tactics in the street fight is fine by me.

And as someone else mentioned, why are the cops all just sitting idly by? You have guns. Shoot at these guys!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on January 22, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
I wonder how they will portray the Golden Glider on the Flash, since she is the one who breaks Cold and Heatwave out of the prison van. Also wonder if she will be an eventual link to the Top as well.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 22, 2015, 04:23:59 PM
My only way I can make the scene work is by figuring the cops wanted to see The Flash come out into the public and figured if he failed they could easily take them down.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 22, 2015, 06:10:09 PM
Would have been easier if they did something like this to explain why the cops were useless

(http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/CC_zpszqmi5gnp.jpg)

but yeah the plan was for Cold to get caught. He wanted Flash to reveal himself to the world.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 25, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Saw a commercial for the next episode. Pied Piper sonic blasting the shit out of everything. Apparently he used to work at Star Labs under Wells, and now he's back to yadda yadda yadda. There was a very brief shot of Wells running off at super speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 25, 2015, 02:38:09 PM
I think Piper is the Captain's boyfriend.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 28, 2015, 05:22:40 PM
Cool episode. Loved seeing Wells use his speed (Speed Force!!) I liked Piper but didn't like the gloves. The flute makes more sense, thematically. Maybe the writers wanted to introduce the gloves so they can later be used by Cisco/Vibe?

Detective West continues to be a favorite. His moment with Barry, as well as laughing at Cisco's joke, were awesome.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on January 28, 2015, 05:57:01 PM
YES sonoffabitch speed force mention.

Also, I guess Wells as a future Barry is confirmed now, eh?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on January 28, 2015, 05:57:16 PM

HAH
Anyway cool episode. I just wasn't too impressed with the "Pied Piper" being Harry Potter in a hoodie with Shocker's gloves. Felt a bit too ... easy? Did really like the "Endgame" though, on the damn. Though the way of defeat felt like a copout to me. I'm afraid if we go too technobabbly-solve-the-day-Star-Trek-style on this show it'll kind of take away from the superheroics if you understand?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 28, 2015, 10:57:03 PM

HAH
Anyway cool episode. I just wasn't too impressed with the "Pied Piper" being Harry Potter in a hoodie with Shocker's gloves. Felt a bit too ... easy? Did really like the "Endgame" though, on the damn. Though the way of defeat felt like a copout to me. I'm afraid if we go too technobabbly-solve-the-day-Star-Trek-style on this show it'll kind of take away from the superheroics if you understand?

This was still a pretty fun episode, even though Flash got punked (in a smart way).
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 29, 2015, 12:16:47 AM
Oh yeah and Todd Manning as a reporter?? Great.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 29, 2015, 07:02:29 AM
And also a gay villain. Jellyrobes can probably concoct some weird secret message behind the scene where the gay villain loses and has both of his hands fucked up.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on January 29, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
Piper is gay in the comics too, so it was obviously a wink and a nude and a quick blowjob to that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on January 29, 2015, 03:32:24 PM
YES sonoffabitch speed force mention.

Also, I guess Wells as a future Barry is confirmed now, eh?

I'm pretty much 1000% sure he is Eobard Thawne from the future. Eobard Thawne with a mixture of of Hunter Zolomon in there.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on January 29, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
You're my forbidden fruit, Yve.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 01, 2015, 06:56:53 AM
Good episode with the Piper.
He came off as someone you really dont want to work with day in and out.
SO much good stuff here.
Wells under investigation, Piper's prophetic warnings to Flash, Cisco and Snow "origin", Wells using his speed, Piper still able to get people to march to his tune even while locked up...

Joe and Eddie secretly investigating Wells is great for the simple fact that Wells and Barry have no fucking clue about it. Joe and Eddie are actually being COMPETENT COPS on a super hero show!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 03, 2015, 09:03:20 PM
GRODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 04, 2015, 06:43:48 AM
Grodd makes a cameo at the end. He doesn't look half bad for a network tv CGI job.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 04, 2015, 06:44:28 AM
Now Barry is dating Wally's wife? Man, Wally can't buy a break these days.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 04, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
I liked Cisco's line about "knowing something about vibrations." I imagine Caitlin and Cisco won't be getting their powers any time soon, but I liked the little nod in that direction.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 04, 2015, 11:41:55 PM
Grodd looked tight. I hope he's a full on man eating monster.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 05, 2015, 12:34:28 AM
^ I was praying for Killer Croc...


Cisco's got skillz. He was wrecking Piper hth. lol
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 05, 2015, 12:54:05 AM
Croc was my first thought too. But he's got to be considered part of the Batman property, right?

And yeah, I was pretty shocked at Cisco's abilities. Pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 05, 2015, 08:26:19 AM
Yeah Cisco could throwdown. Piper was pretty good for a guy handcuffed too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 05, 2015, 08:52:30 AM
Croc was my first thought too. But he's got to be considered part of the Batman property, right?

Yes. Don't expect Killer Croc on either Flash or Arrow. Gotham's got potential dibs first.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 05, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I could see Cisco just grabbing pipers vibration gloves and using them as vibe. Star labs should still have them
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 06, 2015, 05:33:36 PM
Croc was my first thought too. But he's got to be considered part of the Batman property, right?

And yeah, I was pretty shocked at Cisco's abilities. Pretty sweet.

He's not out of the realm Croc.  A few people considered more Batman villians have made an appearance .  I think the only ones off limits is those who appears on Gotham and a few other high name ones like Mr. Freeze and Joker obviously.  I don't put Croc in that category.  But honestly I never really cared for croc so whatever.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 06, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
Well arrow did get clock king, bronze tiger, and dead shot and their deep in batman'a lore.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 06, 2015, 07:45:13 PM
Really? We're comparing Killer Croc who's like a Batman B-lister in rogue strength to guys like fucking Clock King who's like d-list in being known by ANYBODY, Bronze Tiger who NOBODY KNOWS (despite being in Batman: The Brave and the Bold) and Deadshot who's major achievement is being in Arrow.

Yeah.

I love Deadshot and that's what he's known for.

Deathstroke has a bigger rep as a Batman villain and he's more known as "The guy from the Teen Titans show".

Killer Croc lies with Gotham.
Don't kid yourselves.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 06, 2015, 07:51:40 PM
I don't about that. Wayne Enterprizes was named dropped, so was Bludhaven, and Nightwing and Oracle are going to be in The Titans series which is suppose to tie into Arrow and The Flash. Gotham also might never do anyone with actual powers either.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 06, 2015, 07:58:25 PM
I don't about that. Wayne Enterprizes was named dropped, so was Bludhaven, and Nightwing and Oracle are going to be in The Titans series which is suppose to tie into Arrow and The Flash. Gotham also might never do anyone with actual powers either.
You can don't whatever you what about that (sorry, wait, English)
name drops also mean nothing. Gotham was namedropped several times in Smallville.

I'll be here admitting I'm wrong as soon as I am, but I'm promising you, my cynical powers will not fail me.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 07, 2015, 05:34:47 AM
Ra Al Ghul and league of asssasins.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 07, 2015, 11:57:41 AM
I don't about that. Wayne Enterprizes was named dropped, so was Bludhaven, and Nightwing and Oracle are going to be in The Titans series which is suppose to tie into Arrow and The Flash. Gotham also might never do anyone with actual powers either.
You can don't whatever you what about that (sorry, wait, English)
name drops also mean nothing. Gotham was namedropped several times in Smallville.

I'll be here admitting I'm wrong as soon as I am, but I'm promising you, my cynical powers will not fail me.

I just don't see Gotham ever using anything actually cool because the show sucks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 07, 2015, 12:46:18 PM
You guys are fucking faggots, and I love to troll you. My opinion alone is correct...

Agree to disagree.

Fixed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 07, 2015, 05:04:34 PM
I don't about that. Wayne Enterprizes was named dropped, so was Bludhaven, and Nightwing and Oracle are going to be in The Titans series which is suppose to tie into Arrow and The Flash. Gotham also might never do anyone with actual powers either.
You can don't whatever you what about that (sorry, wait, English)
name drops also mean nothing. Gotham was namedropped several times in Smallville.

I'll be here admitting I'm wrong as soon as I am, but I'm promising you, my cynical powers will not fail me.

I just don't see Gotham ever using anything actually cool because the show sucks.
WELL YOU'RE NOT WRONG
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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 08, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
Really? We're comparing Killer Croc who's like a Batman B-lister in rogue strength to guys like fucking Clock King who's like d-list in being known by ANYBODY, Bronze Tiger who NOBODY KNOWS (despite being in Batman: The Brave and the Bold) and Deadshot who's major achievement is being in Arrow.

Yeah.

I love Deadshot and that's what he's known for.

Deathstroke has a bigger rep as a Batman villain and he's more known as "The guy from the Teen Titans show".

Killer Croc lies with Gotham.
Don't kid yourselves.

Oh I don't think they will get or use croc. Just mentioned they have swiped batman foes before. Even recently in arrow with the league and raz
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 11, 2015, 05:53:52 AM
So Iris just became the worst female character on a superhero show. The writers seriously decided to go the "I don't like you that way, but I need you to keep mooning over me, and I'll be upset if you move on and find somebody else" route. What a bunch of shit. There were shades of it last week, but it was pretty well cemented in this week.

Other than that, I liked this week's show. I've been pleasantly surprised with Firestorm's CGI effects. Granted, I don't think fire is the most difficult thing to pull off, but it looks decent. I liked that Joe voiced his suspicions of Wells.

And of course, adult Barry being identified at the scene was cool.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 11, 2015, 07:31:31 AM
This season has been great so far and keeps getting better, picking up the slack for Arrow which has been pretty meh once it came back from winter hiatus. All the women on Arrow are shit besides Felicity, and even she sucks right now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 11, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
Yeah good episode. I liked the Easter egg on classic firestorms costume at the end

Also poor poor Wally. His girl puts out on the second date and the first date barry took her out for tacos. I need to find a girl like that. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 11, 2015, 01:28:52 PM
Supeprime is right, even beloved Felicity is so tiring right now. It's like the writers gave up trying to make you like any of the main cast. Ray Palmer is the best thing on the show, I guess he finally decided to be the Superman we deserve.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 11, 2015, 09:55:49 PM
So Barry is one of the two speedsters at the scene of his mother's murder. Wells... Is not?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 12, 2015, 12:00:33 AM
I'm not sure what to think of Wells right now. There's the idea floating around that he's older Barry, but if Joe or Cisco has a sample of Wells' blood, they would have noticed that he and Barry were the same person.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 12, 2015, 07:50:06 AM
So Barry is one of the two speedsters at the scene of his mother's murder. Wells... Is not?
No it just wasn't Wells' blood on the wall
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 12, 2015, 08:48:24 AM
So Barry is one of the two speedsters at the scene of his mother's murder. Wells... Is not?
No it just wasn't Wells' blood on the wall

That or it just couldn't be identified as Wells. He could easily have changed his blood type on file.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2015, 09:45:36 AM
There were two samples: one is adult Barry and one is unknown. So if Wells was there...

1) Then we have three speedsters present. No hint by the show about this, and Cisco's cool 3D photo thing showed only 2 blurry speedsters.

2) Wells has done something to his blood. Or he has a fake sample on file, which is why Cisco couldn't ID it.

3) Wells is not the yellow speedster in the past, even though he is a speedster and apparently works with Reverse Flash.

4) Who the fuck knows, amirite?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 12, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
I'm not sure what to think of Wells right now. There's the idea floating around that he's older Barry, but if Joe or Cisco has a sample of Wells' blood, they would have noticed that he and Barry were the same person.
Wells. is. not. older. BARRY.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 12, 2015, 12:23:58 PM
omg
Wells is Wally West

coming back in time to take revenge on his uncle for nearly sleeping with his girlfriend
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 12, 2015, 02:30:47 PM
I'm not sure what to think of Wells right now. There's the idea floating around that he's older Barry, but if Joe or Cisco has a sample of Wells' blood, they would have noticed that he and Barry were the same person.
Wells. is. not. older. BARRY.
While I'm inclined to agree with you, I don't have any real evidence to base this on. I know Wells has some history in Barry's timeline, but there has never been a mention of childhood or early adulthood. Personally, I just can't see the writers taking Barry's character to that extreme.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 12, 2015, 04:07:13 PM
If Wells were Barry then he wouldn't have been so concerned about Barry losing his speed.

And the blood would all have matched Barry. It wouldn't have said Barry and someone else.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
Just fucking watch it be future Eddie. "I came back in time to kill your mother after you stole Iris from me!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 12, 2015, 06:20:31 PM
I could live with that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Oh shit, new theory.

Future Barry and evil future Eddie race back in time. Barry loses, is critically injured, and his mom dies. Barry runs to the one man who can help... young Wells. Barry explains all the future shit. Wells can't save him though. Future Barry dies. Wells makes it his mission to change the future, helped by some future tech Barry had on him when he died.

He tracks down future Eddie and tricks him into thinking he will help Eddie do whatever other evil shit he has planned. But Wells is still trying to just help Barry train enough to beat Eddie. Plan B might be for Wells to gain his own super speed to help defeat Eddie.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 12, 2015, 08:03:08 PM
Which leads Wells create the exact tech Eddie needs to gain super speed and take on Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 13, 2015, 06:38:02 AM
Good old time travel.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 13, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/32256/20150211/new-flash-teaser-is-flashpoint-coming.htm

This article was jonesing on a Flashpoint angle.
I'm still just as confused but not trying to overthink this.
Like the link you guys keep coming up with interesting theories. I'm dying to see who ends up coming closest...

Wow, so next week we may actually see Barry travel back (or attempt to)?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 13, 2015, 04:42:43 PM
Also, did anyone else think that Sheri was more than just there for comedic relief and might come into play later?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 13, 2015, 06:19:32 PM
Maybe Barry raced back in time to save himself from whoever that man in yellow was, in the moment where Young Barry was removed from the house (not realizing his older self was saving him) the Man in yellow killed Barry's mom and then the battled between the two continued. The Man in yellow not realizing the tragedy helped create a hero. Or Wells killed Barry's mom on purpose because he did realize that very thing and Barry was trying and failed to stop him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 14, 2015, 12:30:32 AM
Also, did anyone else think that Sheri was more than just there for comedic relief and might come into play later?

She seemed like they might continue that. Detective West should've gone for it. Like Cisco said, no judgements.

Maybe Barry raced back in time to save himself from whoever that man in yellow was, in the moment where Young Barry was removed from the house (not realizing his older self was saving him) the Man in yellow killed Barry's mom and then the battled between the two continued. The Man in yellow not realizing the tragedy helped create a hero. Or Wells killed Barry's mom on purpose because he did realize that very thing and Barry was trying and failed to stop him.

The second one.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 14, 2015, 01:28:07 AM
Also, did anyone else think that Sheri was more than just there for comedic relief and might come into play later?

She seemed like they might continue that. Detective West should've gone for it. Like Cisco said, no judgements.

Maybe Barry raced back in time to save himself from whoever that man in yellow was, in the moment where Young Barry was removed from the house (not realizing his older self was saving him) the Man in yellow killed Barry's mom and then the battled between the two continued. The Man in yellow not realizing the tragedy helped create a hero. Or Wells killed Barry's mom on purpose because he did realize that very thing and Barry was trying and failed to stop him.

The second one.
Leaning that way too. It'd be even better if Wells killed her out of a bizarre sense of virtue, IE: "There has to be a Flash; this will ensure he's a hero..."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 14, 2015, 02:28:07 AM
I kinda want some resolution were we don't have to lose Wells on the show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 14, 2015, 02:48:32 PM
He's also hands down, the most complex character on the show portrayed by arguably the show's best actor.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on February 14, 2015, 04:47:31 PM
He's also hands down, the most complex character on the show portrayed by arguably the show's best actor.

Absolutely, and I don't think it's all that arguable.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 14, 2015, 08:42:57 PM
He's also hands down, the most complex character on the show portrayed by arguably the show's best actor.

Absolutely, and I don't think it's all that arguable.

Yeah, Wells and Joe are played by some solid actors, which really helps to boost a lot of key moments with Barry. Losing Wells as a main supporting cast would be a huge shift.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 17, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
"Not God....grodd". Holy he looked awesome.

Firestorm is starting to be like his comic counterpart. He looked awesome too

Wells in full reverse flash suit. Awesome

I'm amped.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 17, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Man Barry seriously does not give a fuck about protecting his secret identity.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 17, 2015, 09:07:57 PM
Yeah that was stupid of him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 18, 2015, 01:25:03 AM
"Not God....grodd". Holy he looked awesome.

Firestorm is starting to be like his comic counterpart. He looked awesome too

Wells in full reverse flash suit. Awesome

I'm amped.

This show not holding back on any thing, and the going one full on with Firestorm and Grodd.

Hope they turn Eiling into His, "The General", state - A giant moster, voiced by Clancy Brown? Yes please!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 18, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
I can't fucking tell you how happy this episode made me.

We pick up where we left off (I was expecting a SOME TIME LATER continuation) the implication and build up of the twin aspect of Firestorm,
Eiling's crew having SUPER SCI FI MILLITARY STUFF it's like, BITCH YEAH, where's your Arrow now? (Disclaimer: I haven't watched Arrow anywhere after Season 2, ep 4, after which the dumb fatigue of season 1 caught up with me. I promise I'll watch the rest of season 2 after Gotham finishes because, believe you me, I'll be so happy to watch Arrow after I'm done with THAT rubbish show.) the needle thing taking down the Flash, and then the twin aspect with the scarring Jesus Christ I'm fanboying I don't care how much I am (BTW, COAST CITY REFERENCE) and then the morse code response and them actually having to JOIN UP AGAIN
and, yeah, the phosphorus bit was stupid when once again all Flash's backup team does is tell him to "Run faster!" (this is what they tell him to do 90% of the time), Wells betraying his "team" (I forgot this in my rambling) because he doesn't "get" F.I.R.E.S.T.O.R.M. (btw, acronym is still stupid) but the moment Flash gets his with the acid and runs circles and they put the CHEST PIECE ON I recognized it (Siythe, he who shall not be arsed to post here, pointed this out to me last week it was their emblem, I didn't recognize it back then but now I did) and I was like, YEAH, SCIENCE, BITCH
(http://hotmeme.net/media/mememaker/c/3/3948-jesse-pinkman-yeah-science-lady.jpg)
and then stuff blew up and their eyes were white and Flash came in and then I got the idea that


MIRROR MASTER MAY BE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THE MIRROR IS SHOWING THEM IMAGES FROM THE PAST SOMEHOW, I MEAN THINK ABOUT THIS GUYS (Personal fan theory, do not steal)

and then Stein and Ronnie became Firestorm and I love them and I hope this gets a spinoff spinoff or maybe a limited series like Agent Carter (except Agent Carter is already getting a "series 2" we know that, right?) and I'd love it and then the Man in Yellow I mean ZOOM I mean no wait he has Zoom II's eyes, he's the Reverse Flash whatever the fuck and then "Not God, GRODD." it's like a Zod reference and the bit where he was walking towards the camera was cool

...
maybe the bit where he grabbed Eiling a bit less so, but hey, I hope when he has his PROPER show down he gets to hide in shadows a lot
or has some puppetry idk

YAY I LOVE THE FLASH
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 18, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
Rofl
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 18, 2015, 06:17:53 PM
I was think the mirror shenanigans would lead to Mirror Master. Unless they are gonna pull a Gotham with the riddles not being run by the Riddler.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 18, 2015, 06:44:09 PM
Gotham
YES WHAT
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with the riddles
YES WHAT THE FUCK
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not being run by the Riddler.
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK THEY HAVE A RIDDLE AND THEN THEY DON'T ASK THE CUNT WHO'S CONSTANTLY ASKING THEM STUPID RIDDLES
GOTHAM IS SO AWFUL
...
yay Flash!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 18, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Especially when you call back to the first episodes dialogue of, "Enigma and your riddles riddles mcriddling! GAWD!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 18, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAGH
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 18, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
I made mention of the emblem last week and I didn't get a cookie :(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 18, 2015, 10:13:06 PM
Great ep. Fun as FUCK.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 18, 2015, 11:11:49 PM
Yeah that was good stuff even though Barry is still careless and sucks without his support team.

I'm looking forward to Grodd cutting loose.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 19, 2015, 02:48:21 AM
Yeah this episode was all kinds of awesome from start to finish. Firestorm spinoff? Firestorm spinoff.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 19, 2015, 02:50:15 AM
And GOT DAYUM Iris was looking especially FOINE in this episode too. Jesus.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 19, 2015, 05:44:44 AM
Yeah that was good stuff even though Barry is still careless and sucks without his support team.

I'm looking forward to Grodd cutting loose.

Back in the first episode with Eiling, I had wondered if he saw Barry's face. Well, this ep confirmed he did. Barry needs to learn to keep that fucking mask on.

Anyway, my money is that Grodd tortures Eiling for a while before Eiling escapes (or before Barry rescues him).

I'm just wondering what the finale will be. A battle with Grodd? Or time travel?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on February 19, 2015, 03:09:37 PM
Holy shit, that episode!


Yuss, more Wells in costume. And dat line: "Not God. Grodd!" 8)


And now we have to wait one month?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on February 19, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
I'm just wondering what the finale will be. A battle with Grodd? Or time travel?

Barry was starting to try to think of how to change the past battle in the future, so he'll probably bring Grodd back in time to kill his mother instead of letting Wells do it so Wells in the future has to go back in time to save Barry's mom from Grodd so Wells can go back in time to kill Barry's mom again, but Barry secret plan is that Grodd will the go ape on Wells, so Barry has to save Wells from Grodd, and in gratitude, Wells won't go back in time in the future to kill Barry's mom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 19, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
I'm just wondering what the finale will be. A battle with Grodd? Or time travel?

Barry was starting to try to think of how to change the past battle in the future, so he'll probably bring Grodd back in time to kill his mother instead of letting Wells do it so Wells in the future has to go back in time to save Barry's mom from Grodd so Wells can go back in time to kill Barry's mom again, but Barry secret plan is that Grodd will the go ape on Wells, so Barry has to save Wells from Grodd, and in gratitude, Wells won't go back in time in the future to kill Barry's mom.

You're joking, but that sounds about as confusing as I think the creators are gonna get with this.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 19, 2015, 08:05:06 PM
As a fun exercise, I was trying to think up the most likely ways the shit with Wells, Reverse Flash, and time travel could pan out.

1) There is no other speedster. Just Wells. The time Wells got beat up by Reverse-Flash was just some super elaborate speed trick, even though he quite clearly prone and beaten on the floor while R-F and Flash battled outside. The mystery 2nd speedster blood sample from the night of the murder just ends up being ignored. No real explanation is given for why Wells has all of the future tech other than a vague mention of him figuring out time travel at some point down the road.

2) Future Wells and Modern Wells are the two R-F's. There is no explanation given as to where the Future Wells lives or what he does at all (does he just live under a bridge under Modern Wells calls for him?). Some ultra convoluted answer is given as to which Wells is the one who goes back in time to kill Barry's mom, which then makes it seem like there must be three Wells running around, yet the third is never accounted for.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 22, 2015, 07:31:12 AM
Good breakdown I read on another board about why Wells being adult Barry makes little sense:

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If Wells is future Barry:

- Why would he care about Crisis. He already knows he comes out okay.
- Why would he be concerned about the Flash disappearing from history. He already knows he comes out okay.
- Why would he be surprised by enemies if he's been through this, or anything like this, before.
- Why would he have to look up Oliver Queen

Just based on what we've seen, if Harrison is Barry, he's a Barry that's lived an almost completely separate timeline from the one we've seen on the show. It also comes with some strange implications. If Harrison Wells is Barry Allen:

- Are we saying that Barry at some point loses his speed, and tries to get it back with various other means.
- Are we saying that Barry went back to kill his mother so that he could get super speed powers?
- Are we saying that Barry never got with/lost his lady (Iris? Caitlin? Felicity? Patty Spivot?) And ended up with some other woman when he came to the past?
- Are we saying that Barry refers to himself affectionately as Barry while looking at himself on a hidden camera?
- Are we saying that Barry Allen ominously says he's been waiting hundreds of years for the particle accelerator explosion when it's really been, like 30?

And the coup de grace:

- Are we saying that Cisco did not consider adult Barry's blood a match for Dr. Wells, who is another adult Barry Allen?

It makes for a fascinating series of moral questions but Dr Wells = Barry Allen doesn't seem to be the way the show is actually headed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 22, 2015, 07:45:16 AM
Holy shit. Just saw a commercial/preview for the episode after the break. Not posting it because it reveals a pretty big "oh SHIT" moment regarding Wells. I actually wish I hadn't seen it in the context of a commercial. If anyone sees it and wants to discuss, be sure to put spoiler warnings all over the place in your post.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on February 22, 2015, 08:45:53 AM
Good breakdown I read on another board about why Wells being adult Barry makes little sense:

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If Wells is future Barry:

- Why would he care about Crisis. He already knows he comes out okay.
- Why would he be concerned about the Flash disappearing from history. He already knows he comes out okay.
Doesn't really work, we saw his future newspaper headline or whatever it was, change from what "he knew" to something else

so the future is in flux, sort to speak.

Now if that is the reason why he CAME BACK (IF he's Barry, which he's not) then yeah, then that has a fair point
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on February 22, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GcUM49p.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/wfD5ajT.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/Wr9iJYe.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 23, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
Bang up job there, Zechs.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 09, 2015, 09:35:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQdAUk1RAoA

New promo for next several episodes of the Flash looks pretty good. Can't wait for it to get started again. Arrow....not so much. Nice to know the spinoff is better at least.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 10, 2015, 07:11:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQdAUk1RAoA

New promo for next several episodes of the Flash looks pretty good. Can't wait for it to get started again. Arrow....not so much. Nice to know the spinoff is better at least.

Mark Hamil's Trickster sounding awesome.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 10, 2015, 08:08:15 AM
I'm surprised he's not Matter Eater Lad the way he's going to town on that scenery. I mean that in a good way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 10, 2015, 02:26:23 PM
When's Flash Back
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 03:08:41 PM
A week from today. Not soon enough, damnit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 10, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
no in a week's time can't you read omgflolwtf
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 13, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
First good look at Reverse Flash's costume and looks sweet

(http://cdn2-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/2015/03/RFBIG.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 15, 2015, 06:42:34 AM
I love the unnecessary chest squiggles OF EVIL!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 16, 2015, 04:02:25 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/wells-promises-the-flash-will-die-in-new-trailer-from-upcoming-episodes
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 17, 2015, 01:43:46 PM
That trailer looks fucking awesome. This season has been better than what I had ever thought.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 17, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
Yeah, as far as first seasons go, Flash has been really good.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 17, 2015, 05:32:42 PM
better'n Arrow's first
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 17, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
New episode. Barry just beat a lightning bolt like a bitch. #fuckweather
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 17, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
Captain cannot outrun lightning bolts. But the doctor let his gay fiancé into the hospital room. So he can't walk now, but at least society took a step forward.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on March 17, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Oh, that solves that... Wells is Eobard after all.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 17, 2015, 09:03:26 PM
The Eobard reveal is cool. But the end of the episode pulled the ole reset button. Meh.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on March 17, 2015, 09:08:09 PM
Yeah this was a game changer episode until the reset thing. Am curious how everything plays out now though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 17, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
I told you all he was Eobard.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 17, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
This wasn't a Sherlock Holmes mystery. It's been obvious from jump he was Eobard.

Great episode all the way around.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 17, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
As matter of fact, I told you he was Professor Zoom when you wondered who Wells was back in the first page.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2015, 12:03:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXN6tgE4g_4
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2015, 10:31:45 AM
I'm a little confused about the time travel aspect of it. Is there now two Barry's running around or did Time Travel Barry jump into his old body from that point?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 18, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
It appears that he jumped into his own body.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 18, 2015, 01:14:51 PM
I guess, but who knows. If he can only jump back into his own body, how did he and Wells-Thrawn go back to the night Barry was a child?

Then again, more refined use of speed could lead to more refined time travel.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
It appears that he jumped into his own body.

Thats what I was thinking but that seems to fly in the face of some already established time travels rules that are in place in the show. I mean Barry A at the beginning of the show says he saw himself travel back in time (even though he doesn't realize thats whats is going on) so the loop is in place but he but he isn't acting like a Barry who just went back in time. I'm wondering if the Barry we saw stop and look around wasn't Barry A but Barry B who traveled back in time and Barry A actually kept running to the crime scene.

Also, when Barry tells Wells that he saw another him I wonder if Wells realized that Barry traveled back in time. If so I wonder if he realized they are in a dead timeline that will be changed which is why he killed Cisco. Kinda like in a video game when you save and then go on rampage.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 18, 2015, 06:18:21 PM
It looked to me as if old-Barry kept running and not stop at that street corner, but what we saw from the TV show's point of view was new-Barry running into that street corner and stopping.

Still though
HOW FUCKING ACE WAS THIS EP
ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2015, 06:23:54 PM
The Cisco/Wells moment was fucking gold, Jerry! Seriously Wells walking in and Cisco fucking knows he's dead and there is nothing he can do about it except wait.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 18, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Cisco pulled a Carl, he was so annoying at the start of the show but that little Mexican kid grew inside my soul like a taco from Taco Bell...... or that little Mexican boy locked in my basement for giving me sass...SASS!!!!!!

I enjoyed the Weather Wizard joke.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 18, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Yeah Cisco breaking the 4th wall was awesome. As was Barry using the wand like a lightsaber.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 18, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
I was waiting for the SAD MOMENT SEASON TURNAROUND (nearly every series has it in their first season)

poor Cisco, I liked him more than ... Fitz-Simmons female counterpart.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 18, 2015, 09:29:34 PM
This episode's reset ending almost felt like a cop out. But then I remembered, this isn't Smallville. They don't pull amnesia and resets every other episode. This is the first time they did something like this... and it wasn't just for shock.

We actually learned who Wells really is and his exact intentions for trying to "help" Barry.

And Barry is fucking nutso fast now... when properly motivated.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on March 18, 2015, 10:57:47 PM
Wells wasn't exactly a surprise. Unless you were expecting Jay Garrick from the future running back in time to save Wally West from a speed virus implanted in Barry Allen by Grodd at birth or something stupid like that.

Also, time travel villains must be the dumbest kind. Like, random future mad scientist would be like "future villain fought hero 17 times, according to history. I shall become future villain! now which ass-kicking shall I start off by receiving? maybe THIS time I'll get it right!" In this case "I'll go back in time and kill Barry Allen. But history says I killed Nora Allen. I guess I'll go back in time and kill Barry Allen anyway."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 19, 2015, 07:36:09 AM
Wells wasn't exactly a surprise. Unless you were expecting Jay Garrick from the future running back in time to save Wally West from a speed virus implanted in Barry Allen by Grodd at birth or something stupid like that.

True, but they at least cleared up exactly what was happening and how he did what he did. There was no guarantee that he was Eobard, and there was a question as to whether there were two versions of him running around due to time travel shit.

Quote
Also, time travel villains must be the dumbest kind. Like, random future mad scientist would be like "future villain fought hero 17 times, according to history. I shall become future villain! now which ass-kicking shall I start off by receiving? maybe THIS time I'll get it right!" In this case "I'll go back in time and kill Barry Allen. But history says I killed Nora Allen. I guess I'll go back in time and kill Barry Allen anyway."

Barry kind of falls into this as well. "The Reverse-Flash killed my mom... I went back in time and did not stop him... so obviously, I have to go back in time to stop him!!!!!" Granted, Barry's stubborn desire to save his mother will actually pay off because he will stop R-F from killing younger Barry.

I am intrigued to find out why R-F travelled back in time to kill younger Barry in the first place... and when he failed, why did he get trapped in the past?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 19, 2015, 08:11:59 AM
I'm thinking the Barry that traveled back in time absorbed his speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 19, 2015, 08:54:41 AM
Yeah I must say I'm a bit disappointed with the "Recording" in the machine, but him being so fast he can create a "Speed after image" (And then pretend his speed after image can beat him up?) Madness.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 19, 2015, 11:27:36 AM
Yeah I must say I'm a bit disappointed with the "Recording" in the machine, but him being so fast he can create a "Speed after image" (And then pretend his speed after image can beat him up?) Madness.

Yeah, there was a whole lot of suspension of belief in this episode. I think there not being two Barry's may get explained in the next episode, but who knows.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on March 19, 2015, 01:50:11 PM
Anyone else catch the new episode? Because that was amazing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 19, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
Yeah I must say I'm a bit disappointed with the "Recording" in the machine, but him being so fast he can create a "Speed after image" (And then pretend his speed after image can beat him up?) Madness.

"Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 19, 2015, 02:47:28 PM
Anyone else catch the new episode? Because that was amazing.

nope. We are all talking about last weeks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on March 19, 2015, 05:05:15 PM
True, but they at least cleared up exactly what was happening and how he did what he did. There was no guarantee that he was Eobard, and there was a question as to whether there were two versions of him running around due to time travel shit.

That would be unnecessarily complex, and I don't think they've ever really hinted at that outside of speculation about how he could be in two places at once.

Quote
Barry kind of falls into this as well. "The Reverse-Flash killed my mom... I went back in time and did not stop him... so obviously, I have to go back in time to stop him!!!!!" Granted, Barry's stubborn desire to save his mother will actually pay off because he will stop R-F from killing younger Barry.

Well, this is the same brilliant version of Barry Allen that has to have a whole crew of science people advising him, and it generally goes like this.
"Shit, I'm in trouble, what do I do?"
"Speed is your only superpower. Run faster, you moron."
"Right."

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I am intrigued to find out why R-F travelled back in time to kill younger Barry in the first place... and when he failed, why did he get trapped in the past?

He obviously ran out of power for some reason; possibly the mechanics of how he gets his speed are different from Barry's. His "endgame" seems to revolve around getting Barry fast enough that he can time travel so he can siphon off that power and phone home. Or maybe go back and try to kill Barry at birth again.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 19, 2015, 10:32:30 PM
Based on what he told Cisco, he just wants to get back to his own time after the botched attempt to kill young Barry trapped him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 19, 2015, 11:13:08 PM
Yeah Wells quite literally spelled it out for us. He needs Barry to get more powerful so he can sap his power to get back to his own time.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 21, 2015, 07:19:18 AM
Poor Cisco.
He could see it coming a mile away.

I know things will get retconned, but it amazed me how quick things went south.

I also liked Kaitlin's reaction to seeing the wheelchair empty. Next episode (I guess) will rehash some of what we saw last episode... but due to Barry now changing time, Cisco likely won't figure out who Wells is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on March 22, 2015, 12:33:16 AM
Cisco died because of Caitlin. True story. She didn't do a good job occupying his attention. He knew that her behavior was suspicious.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 24, 2015, 11:34:40 PM
Well we see why the Rouge dont kill in this universe

but does that mean Flash just never going to try to arrest them
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on March 25, 2015, 03:04:42 AM
Well we see why the Rouge dont kill in this universe

but does that mean Flash just never going to try to arrest them

I think he'll try to stop them, but he'll always let them go. Or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 25, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
I'm not liking their sloppy handling of time travel rules. If you are going to use time travel you need hard rules or it comes off as lazy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on March 25, 2015, 05:05:28 PM
Yeah, I can agree with that. I realize they need to come up with a reason why Barry won't just time-travel to fix every problem, but they didn't do the best job. And the idea that Iris not liking Barry and Cisco getting roughed up equates to the same(or greater) tragedy than a huge tidal wave crushing Central City is silly.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 25, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
Thats not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how we know Barry travels back in time to when his mom was killed and we had both Kid Barry and Current Barry existing at the same time yet when Barry went back in time a day he replaced himself.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 25, 2015, 06:35:17 PM
Also, they have a gun that can make gold.... yet still commit crimes....
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on March 25, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
Well they gave a reason for Cold doing it.  But that doesn't explain his sister and heatwave.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 25, 2015, 08:18:47 PM
Thats not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how we know Barry travels back in time to when his mom was killed and we had both Kid Barry and Current Barry existing at the same time yet when Barry went back in time a day he replaced himself.

Yeah, I love how that wasn't addressed wahtsoever. Probably never will be either.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 25, 2015, 08:55:44 PM
This episode felt like such a let down compared to the last one.
Yeah on its own regards it was fine, it gave us some insight on how clever Snart is supposed to be and what he's trying to create within Central City and the Flash's relationship to the rogues

but seriously that entire MY BROTHER IS A JERK OH NO HE'S JEALOUS OF ME DESPITE MY PARENTS LOVING HIM AND HIM BEING A PENIS thing was like, what? Also Barry's dumb as fuck approach to I'm a gonna dump my Gee Eff and then hook up with my sister-except-not-my-sister yeehaw and him not realizing a different timeline can be different EVEN THOUGH HE'S BEING TOLD IT CAN BE DIFFERENT (also, timetravel rules are inconsistent now. Which can work in some shows but in THIS one we've already had set up rules as to how it works and now they've gone a different route? I know that's coming from a Doctor Who fanboy but Doctor Who always mucks about with its own timetravel since day one, and deliberately points out that it's inconsistent because of ... wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff) this felt more like Back to the Future II suddenly having Marty McFly being in THE BODY of Marty McFly in Back to the Future.

Still though.
Cold was a delight (if over the top in his WELL, ACTUALLY) mannerism, and Wells' speech to Cisco being a mirror to the one he gave him when he killed him in the previous timeline was brilliant.

Still though. Teeny boppy I LOVE YOU I don't love you this isn't fair to me BUT I LOVE YOU LOL LIGHTNING AMNESIA! bothered me quite a bit.

So, I think my biggest gripe, despite already spelling it out, is that this episode didn't continue with what it set up in the previous ep.
It was just a means to an end, a reset button.

Luckily though, NEXT EPISODE IS MARK HAMIL.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 25, 2015, 08:58:03 PM
RUNRUNRUNRUNRUN RUUUUUN!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 25, 2015, 09:05:03 PM
AHW YES I CAN TASTE IT ALREADY
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 25, 2015, 09:20:55 PM
Alllllllllllso did they say what Lisa's gun *DID*!? Cause I know it's a reference to her comicbook name but in that universe she's making people into gold? Fake gold? No fucking clue, they could have just given her a cold gun as well, but now I'm like WHY. WHAT. WHAT!?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on March 26, 2015, 12:53:48 AM
Thats not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how we know Barry travels back in time to when his mom was killed and we had both Kid Barry and Current Barry existing at the same time yet when Barry went back in time a day he replaced himself.
Yeah, that was pretty lame. Also, the gold gun is about the dumbest gadget I've seen in a comic book/show. It even beats out Paste Pot Pete. At least that stuff didn't literally make committing crime pointless.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 26, 2015, 08:37:05 AM
Well for them it's not really the money for them but the thrill. However, gold gun was dumb
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 26, 2015, 09:02:19 AM
It's probably not actual gold but they should've explained it. Same with the 2 Barry's.

Oh and they killed Todd Manning?! Ah well, he'll be back with a different face soon.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 26, 2015, 09:23:40 AM
Oh and they killed Todd Manning?! Ah well, he'll be back with a different face soon.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NRKD75g45Ls/UO8f8o-BD6I/AAAAAAAAFio/ou2nE7VSxy4/s1600/captain-america.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 26, 2015, 02:10:11 PM
http://imgur.com/a/eoMFg
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on March 26, 2015, 04:23:07 PM
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d81c7e586bdfd6912e4059097d2fa770/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo2_1280.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b38d6f6f0a9a08054c328db2ac6e17f/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo4_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 26, 2015, 04:49:21 PM
We could be like a LEAGUE.
For JUSTICE.

nah j/k we gonna call ourselves the Avengers, that movie was dope
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on March 26, 2015, 06:17:21 PM
http://imgur.com/a/eoMFg

This is amazing.

Does this get made for every episode?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 26, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
Oh and they killed Todd Manning?! Ah well, he'll be back with a different face soon.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NRKD75g45Ls/UO8f8o-BD6I/AAAAAAAAFio/ou2nE7VSxy4/s1600/captain-america.gif)

I was cracking up when he called Wells a sociopath. Like, um pot meet kettle.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 26, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
I er
I don't get it
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 26, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Lmao I KNEW Dutch was going to come in and say that! If only I could predict the lottery...

Anyways, it's a joke about how the reporter plays a character named Todd Manning on an American soap, One Life to Live.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 26, 2015, 07:20:13 PM
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d81c7e586bdfd6912e4059097d2fa770/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo2_1280.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b38d6f6f0a9a08054c328db2ac6e17f/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo4_1280.jpg)

So whats the odds on this actually being an Alternate reality situation and Ollie is wearing that because he was trained by Merlyn/League of Assassins or something?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on March 26, 2015, 07:51:28 PM
Lmao I KNEW Dutch was going to come in and say that! If only I could predict the lottery...

Anyways, it's a joke about how the reporter plays a character named Todd Manning on an American soap, One Life to Live.
Who has time for soap operas when your life is a soap opera
just the other day my brother came out and said he performed brain surgery on himself

little did we know he meant his identical twin, who he hid in the attic

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 26, 2015, 09:00:16 PM
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshwildingnewsandreviews/news/?a=117259)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d81c7e586bdfd6912e4059097d2fa770/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo2_1280.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1b38d6f6f0a9a08054c328db2ac6e17f/tumblr_nlu3kapTLp1susnhzo4_1280.jpg)

So whats the odds on this actually being an Alternate reality situation and Ollie is wearing that because he was trained by Merlyn/League of Assassins or something?

man barry love taking off his mask
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on March 27, 2015, 02:57:33 AM
Barry takes his mask off. Wells puts some comfy headwear on.

Some would say he's the reverse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on March 27, 2015, 03:12:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/VWasz6m.jpg)

He would probably also make a good Reed Richards. Or Elongated Man.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 28, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
Yeah, a great Reed no doubt.

Anyway, I love how Snart mentions that he had taken the old gun apart and put it back together dozens of times. He apparently can't make one from scratch, but he can fix/repair super tech.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2015, 08:09:46 PM
Ok, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD up. Who The Fuck Is THAT?!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2015, 08:52:39 PM
All the stuff they are trotting out in this episode is nearly too much for me to handle.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 31, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
Wow lots happened, so guess Wells is "innocent" afterall.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2015, 09:09:31 PM
Wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 31, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
The Tricksters were great in this episode too. "I am your father" eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on March 31, 2015, 09:22:41 PM
God I'm in love with Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Yeah she is fucking gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 31, 2015, 10:28:29 PM
seeing barry dad and the trickster together gave me a nostalgia boner.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 31, 2015, 10:38:29 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/08/23E40EA500000578-0-image-m-4_1418076649622.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 31, 2015, 10:47:21 PM
Anyone else let down by the twist they tossed on Wells? I feel like the only real payoff for it is if Wells can somehow gain control or Barry can save him or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 31, 2015, 10:59:15 PM
Yes, I would have preferred there was two Reverse Flashes. Perhaps, the process was switchable and Wells now currently looks like Thawne...unlikely I know.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 31, 2015, 11:06:57 PM
It seems like an unecessary wrinkle, but maybe it leaves an out for Tom Cavanaugh to stay a series regular as he has been really good. Given where the story is going he can't be the show's big bad forever. Maybe they bring the "original" Thawne back and find a way to ressurect the real Wells, idk. Still threw me when he takes the mask off and the guy looks a hell of a lot more like Eddie Thawne
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 31, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
It seems like an unecessary wrinkle, but maybe it leaves an out for Tom Cavanaugh to stay a series regular as he has been really good. Given where the story is going he can't be the show's big bad forever. Maybe they bring the "original" Thawne back and find a way to ressurect the real Wells, idk. Still threw me when he takes the mask off and the guy looks a hell of a lot more like Eddie Thawne

more I think about the swerve the more it make sense

Since I think the cop would of investigated Wells passed PRE death of his wife, if he really thought he was a time traveler..interview his teachers, fellow students, look at the records and what not
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on March 31, 2015, 11:38:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VWasz6m.jpg)

He would probably also make a good Reed Richards. Or Elongated Man.

Actually, based on his performance in Arrow, I think Brandon Routh would play a great Reed Richards. He's really got that 'fast talking obsessive scientist' schtick nailed perfectly.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 01, 2015, 08:50:52 AM
Last nights episode made me wish we had a chance to see Mark play a live action Joker.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 01, 2015, 11:38:55 AM
It seems like an unecessary wrinkle, but maybe it leaves an out for Tom Cavanaugh to stay a series regular as he has been really good. Given where the story is going he can't be the show's big bad forever. Maybe they bring the "original" Thawne back and find a way to ressurect the real Wells, idk. Still threw me when he takes the mask off and the guy looks a hell of a lot more like Eddie Thawne

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Cavanaugh is awesome, so maybe they'd like to explore his staying on the show somehow. Or maybe they've planned this for a while and it's meant to explain some of the more noble aspects of Wells' character. Maybe the appearance shifter thingy also transfers a bit of the victim's personality, mind, something.

And yes, the I am your father bit was amazing. It did jolt me out of the show for a bit, but whatever. I was grinning like an idiot.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 01, 2015, 11:44:03 AM
Also, Grodd's quick bit in the trailer for the future episodes was quite awesome.

No. Help. Here.

Creepy and awesome. I'm pretty pleased with how he's been done in the few scenes he's had.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Clownprince23 on April 01, 2015, 12:39:28 PM
In the trailer for next week, don't they find a skeleton buried somewhere? I was thinking that was the body of Wells after the transference,  and Thawne had buried it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 01, 2015, 12:55:21 PM
I think you are right on that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on April 01, 2015, 11:42:53 PM
Trickster episode was surprisingly flat, although the, "I am your father." bit, was pretty grand.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 02, 2015, 12:14:33 AM
The flashback scenes weren't flat at all though. But I definitely found myself just tolerating the Trickster storylines, and waiting for the next part of the flashbacks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 02, 2015, 05:24:31 AM
I liked the Trickster, but in the end his grand scheme being holding a black tie event party hostage for all of their bank accounts seems a bit .. eh. Everything up to that point was brilliant though.

And I liked the swerve they threw us with unmasking the Reverse Flash and showing Wells as two separate identities, for a moment I was contemplating if they were legit doing two different "Professor / Zoom" things.
Solid ep. Better than last week's.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 02, 2015, 07:22:23 AM
I thought the Trickster himself was well done. "This will be my Monsa Lisa... my 5th season of Breaking Bad!" "That wasn't very sanitary."

Lines like that make for a good, fun, crazy villain who is super-full of himself. If it had been hammed up more, I think the villain would have flopped. But it was played just right. Now his final plot? Kinda meh. But from the sound of things, this guy was more into killing in clever ways than anything else. If half the people died, I think he would have been happy with himself regardless of the money.

That all said, the real meat of the episode was Barry's new view of Wells, the realization that Wells is R-F, and the flashbacks. THOSE FUCKING FLASHBACKS! Fantastic. I like how the real Wells talked normal, and that the Wells we have seen on the show up to this point has been speaking with the inflections of R-F as seen in these flashbacks. A very cool touch.

And wow, R-F is fucking up the time line left and right. Everything he is doing is to change the future for his benefit. So I have to imagine that his lecture to Barry about consequences was mostly a lie (there may be some nugget of truth) in order to keep Barry from attempting more time travel.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 02, 2015, 08:04:50 AM
Remember when the protagonist in a superhero tv show only had a select few of the principal characters know their true identity?  And now see how Arrow and Flash have flipped that on its head and now the entire principal cast knows except for like one? Christ.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 02, 2015, 08:08:39 AM
I have no clue why he is still keeping the secret from Iris. Even Eddie was like, "This seems retarded, but I will play along for now."

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on April 02, 2015, 11:44:51 AM
It seemed pretty clear Iris also found out about his identity in this episode, or would at least suspect. So far, he's been careful about altering his voice and blurring his face in front of her. Then he bursts into this party right in front of her just as Trickster is pulling his "hello beautiful" routine and yells "where's Henry Allen??" in his own voice, and the camera then dwells on her just long enough that they might as well have put a light bulb above her head. And that was after he was like "sometimes I'm not sure why I wear a mask with you" earlier the same episode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on April 02, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
Remember when the protagonist in a superhero tv show only had a select few of the principal characters know their true identity?  And now see how Arrow and Flash have flipped that on its head and now the entire principal cast knows except for like one? Christ.

I'm pretty sure Smallville aired before Arrow and Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 02, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
That was over the course of 10 YEARS though. Pete season 2, chloe season 4, lana season....6? Lex like 7-8
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on April 02, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
Clark also revealed his identity to virtually EVERY bad guy and hero he met week after week. 

More people knew Clark's face than knew Peter Parker's post-Civil War unmasking. :)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 03, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
Clark also revealed his identity to virtually EVERY bad guy and hero he met week after week. 

More people knew Clark's face than knew Peter Parker's post-Civil War unmasking. :)

Yeah but they always got knocked out before seeing him use his powers
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on April 03, 2015, 08:24:51 PM
That's not how I recall it. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 04, 2015, 01:38:38 AM
Shit people always somehow got ktfo before finding out about his secret.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 04, 2015, 07:18:23 AM
Clark usually revealed his powers to the bad guys. His friends were always getting knocked out. I think one season even mentioned the fact that Lex might be enhanced because of all the head injuries he survived.

Of the bad guys, a majority ended up dead or losing their memory. There were a handful who remembered. They all teamed up in a prison break episode, and then after killing each other in backstabs, the last guy standing ended up getting killed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on April 05, 2015, 04:25:19 PM
New Promo For THE FLASH Season 1, Episode 18: "All-Star Team Up". (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=118196)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 05, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
Hmm that interesting Barry thinking Cisco and Caitlin are helping Wells but makes sense he'd think that I guess.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 05, 2015, 05:39:04 PM
Hmm that interesting Barry thinking Cisco and Caitlin are helping Wells but makes sense he'd think that I guess.

Yeah, at least as a suspicion.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 05, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
I wonder when we will start to see inklings of Snow becoming Killer Frost. So far it seems like it isn't even remotely close.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 07, 2015, 08:12:41 AM
I watched (this is the entirety of my Flash viewing) a CGI Gorilla Grodd do things in a poorly made sewer set.

CGI was good on Grodd, but he was also 3/4 covered in shadow, which I'm not decrying.

That was an excellent move. I'm sure it wouldn't stand up under close scrutiny, but as it was it was passable, and not in the made-for-tv movie passable kind of way.

It looked genuinely good.

Even if the set looked like it belonged in Buffy
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 07, 2015, 11:04:22 AM
Flash WonderCon 2015 Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3g5Upjs_5Q#t=107

Shows a few things we haven't seen. Looks like Barry, Cisco, and Caitlin find Thawne's secret room where he has Gideon stashed with his costume.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 13, 2015, 08:12:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4&feature=player_embedded)

(http://cdn3-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/2015/04/Villains.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 13, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
Is that John-Not-So-Dead-B-Dark-Arrowman
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 14, 2015, 06:24:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4&feature=player_embedded)

(http://cdn3-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/2015/04/Villains.jpg)

WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?

Edit: OK, guess I should've watched the video first and realized that is just a promotional shot that is in no way involved with the shows.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 14, 2015, 07:16:55 AM
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
now I've gone back to being completely not interested in Arrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 14, 2015, 07:27:13 AM
It tricked me up hard because I've seen the actual preview footage where Arrow, Flash, and Firestorm are fighting Reverse-Flash. So the idea that R-F would somehow get the League of Shadows involved was shocking yet believable. Then I realize it's just pure promo, and my heart was sad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 14, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
It pleases me that I crushed both of your dreams. PLEASES ME!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 14, 2015, 08:24:17 PM
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/NotTheBees-1429018484.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 14, 2015, 09:08:02 PM
haha woman logic. Admits Barry made a good point and was right but...ignores it anyways

(http://replygif.net/i/538.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 15, 2015, 11:37:45 AM
Iris just keeps getting worse.

"Bees can't penetrate my suit," - wears a half-mask.

Super genius Ray Palmer can't waterproof his next-next-next-gen tech suit.

"I've hacked the frequency" clackity clackity clackity.

Yeah, not the best episode of this show's history.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 15, 2015, 04:54:46 PM
So do you all Cisco remembers the alternate timeline because of time travel shenanigans because I was thinking it's tied to his becoming Vibe. In the Nu DC, Vibe can sense all vibrational frequencies, including parallel dimensions.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 15, 2015, 05:35:47 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well to be honest. His powers in the new dcu were super effective on flash too
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 15, 2015, 07:05:32 PM
Iris just keeps getting worse.

"Bees can't penetrate my suit," - wears a half-mask.

Super genius Ray Palmer can't waterproof his next-next-next-gen tech suit.

"I've hacked the frequency" clackity clackity clackity.

Yeah, not the best episode of this show's history.

I agree with this.

I don't like Iron Man Atom, but that's not The Flash's fault for being what it is, plus Barry's "I can outrun a bee" and then proceeds to ... doesn't?
A bit dumb.

Not quite sure I like the Atom. Routh does a good performance, but the writing seems like ... "Hey let's do Tony Stark" but then ... not being able to understand how to social skills. Whilst Robert Starkey Junior needs help in his humanizing, his fast talk is FAST. So it doesn't feel as dumb as this guy is.

Ps. I loved how Felicity could recap all of what i need to know about Arrow right now in one single sentence.

Btw, I love how I knew the bad guy was a comic book villain name by BREE LARVEN. I mean, BREE LARVEN. Seriously, BREE FUCKING LARVEN (this is not harping on the show, but) BREE LARVEN.
It's hilarious.

I kinda like Cisko remembering the other timeline, and if this is foreshadowing for his future, all the more props. If they don't RUN with this and make him some kind of a precog? It's stupid.

The ep as a whole didn't bother me. I liked Felicity, Atom was ... a goof at worst, Cisko's fear of bees was funny, and oh Jesus Christ I hate Iris West


seriously why do all these DC shows have the stupid love interest that mucks up the story

Constantine didn't, but that's as good as over

Lana Lang, Barbara Keane, whoever the fucks over at Arrow, Iris West

THEY ARE A DETRIMENT

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 15, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
Its Cisco man. Don't go full rock on us.

My favorite dumb moment was during the hack off when Felicity's computer sparked. Cause that happens.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 15, 2015, 07:24:24 PM
ONE letter.
ONE.

ALSO
Maybe because Bail's became a joke by the end of the Nolan series but the voice didn't bother me at all.
Bale

Now explain to us again how SHIELD is a bigger soap opera then Flash and Arrow.
than
Its only a minute of it.
It's
I'm not saying he's trying to into berserker mode. I'm saying that he's just tanking through a lot of punches and kicks on purpose. A lot of times he's taking a stance like a boxer would in the ring when they are just taking blows. He's switches between fighting like a boxer and fighting like a ninja.
He
Your just mad he assaulted AC.
You're
you know you love me you dutch piece of fuck.
up the arse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 15, 2015, 07:28:48 PM
I love you Dutch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 15, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
ONE letter.
ONE.

ALSO
Maybe because Bail's became a joke by the end of the Nolan series but the voice didn't bother me at all.
Bale

Now explain to us again how SHIELD is a bigger soap opera then Flash and Arrow.
than
Its only a minute of it.
It's
I'm not saying he's trying to into berserker mode. I'm saying that he's just tanking through a lot of punches and kicks on purpose. A lot of times he's taking a stance like a boxer would in the ring when they are just taking blows. He's switches between fighting like a boxer and fighting like a ninja.
He
Your just mad he assaulted AC.
You're
you know you love me you dutch piece of fuck.
up the arse.

We all expect better from you than me, especially me.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 15, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
D:
I love you Dutch.
<3
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 15, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
Unless he's some kind of serial killer/rapist who got the name because of his pension for purple suits.
Penchant
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 15, 2015, 07:55:58 PM
No, pension. Like he has a bank account just for purple suits.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 15, 2015, 07:59:56 PM
oooooooooh
so David Tennant is like 69
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 15, 2015, 09:32:09 PM
I rolled my eyes at Bree Larven, too. Is that her name in the comics?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 15, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
The Bug-Eyed Bandit is a guy named Bertram, but, yeah, his last name is Larven. Good ol' Silver Age DC.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 21, 2015, 10:48:20 PM
And the Canary Cry is born.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 21, 2015, 11:10:39 PM
Flash is so good, it makes Arrow characters better just by them appearing on it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 22, 2015, 04:17:38 AM
Yep, it took about 10 minutes for West to set the obnoxious Laurel/Daddy feud to rest, or at least get something going in that direction. It's not that I don't understand why there would be tension; I just don't give a shit about it and want it to stop hogging up screen time.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 22, 2015, 08:48:16 AM
Flash is so good, it makes Arrow characters better just by them appearing on it.

And Laurel was actually smiling and joking around.  Has she ever done that on Arrow?  Man that shows depressing  Central City is the fun one.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 22, 2015, 08:53:33 AM
Flash is so good, it makes Arrow characters better just by them appearing on it.

And Laurel was actually smiling and joking around.  Has she ever done that on Arrow?  Man that shows depressing  Central City is the fun one.

They literally said this in the last episode lol
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 22, 2015, 11:24:18 AM
I do commend them for having crossovers that actually impact the other shows. Makes the crossovers have far more meaning
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 22, 2015, 07:37:44 PM
I had no idea who this Black Canary was, and I barely realized that West and Cisco were in Starling city because it was SO DAMN WELL ILLUMINATED
and well written

the rest of the ep was decent, but god damn, it's building up to a proper finale.
Loving it.

Tbh: Missed a real moment where they have Hannibal / Every Man in the cell and he goes "I can't remember"

THEY COULD HAVE MILKED THAT

now it was just a throwaway line and I was like "aw" but nothing beyond that

they could have gone for a full I HAVE LOST ALL OF MY IDENTITY but now it just fell flat. Very flat.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 22, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
I did laugh at "is that what I think it is?" scene

Hated Cisco at the start, but he does have some funny scenes
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2015, 05:07:07 PM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/FLA121-SG-049-020-150d8.jpg)

CGI sucks, but it's TV budget
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 27, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
I dunno
for a still that looks pretty fucking great.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2015, 07:53:50 PM
I dunno
for a still that looks pretty fucking great.

I kind of want to fist fight you right now  >:(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 27, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
I know you want to, but I'm built like the Blob and you're like Pyro
except you don't even have a box of matches and a can of deodorant
especially pointing attention to the can of deodorant
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2015, 08:07:28 PM
You know me so smell....get it? Get it?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 27, 2015, 08:08:19 PM
yes
you smell
and I have horrible BO
congrats
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 27, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
Still shot looks good.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2015, 08:34:06 PM
You mods and admins know nothing of real life. NOTHING!

I'm so alone

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/raining_david_tennant_nosedrip.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 28, 2015, 08:24:13 PM
So the time travel episode wasn't a cop out reset. It just delayed the inevitable revelation. I cannot fucking wait for the big showdown.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 28, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Cisco is gold. Maybe I can modify its operating system...*reveals complicated operating system* haha nope. not happenning
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 28, 2015, 08:30:45 PM
Not sure why they removed the JLA reference from TV. It was in the comic

Give us what we want damn it!

(http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/JusticeLeagueTVSeries.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 28, 2015, 09:01:59 PM
Shit just got real!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 28, 2015, 09:11:57 PM
RF is one crafty fucker.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 28, 2015, 09:15:03 PM
Don't forget that serum to cancel barrys power too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 29, 2015, 06:14:33 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 30, 2015, 11:13:44 AM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 30, 2015, 03:41:25 PM
Just had a thought. Joe thinks Cisco is about to be killed by RF. He fired three shots. Barry freaks out and stops two bullets. The third one enters the anti-speedster field and hits RF in the chest. Barry then complains that RF is dead without confessing.

Then they find out it was really the shapeshifter. But until that moment, they all really thought it was RF.

So Barry was going to let Cisco die in hopes that he would get a confession? Seems uncharacteristically selfish of Barry. I hope Cisco calls him out on that next episode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on April 30, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 30, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.
It wasn't a shit episode, BUT IT BOTHERED ME

also they keep killing off everybody they put in the vault
's dumb >: |
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 30, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

Yeah, there was a similar shock when he was in a coma. Lame that only a static shock tipped her off.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 30, 2015, 05:56:08 PM
also they keep killing off everybody they put in the vault
's dumb >: |

100% agree, I had a rant over on another board about them killing all their villains.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 30, 2015, 06:40:19 PM
Poison gas guy and teleport girl are the only two alive at this point. Starlabs is worse than Gitmo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 30, 2015, 07:04:20 PM
Those cells are torture I don't see any toilets so do they have to keep craping in the corner?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 30, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Deathbolt too
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on April 30, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
I'm really digging this show, actually. Not every episode is a home run, but I really like the overarching story and all the actors and characters.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 30, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
I'm really digging this show, actually. Not every episode is a home run, but I really like the overarching story and all the actors and characters.
Yeah so far the overarching story is ace

and one of the better ones I've seen on TV, superhero wise. Like from the getgo you know the premise.

Yeah other shows throw better twists at you and such shit, but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 30, 2015, 09:48:41 PM
Just had a thought. Joe thinks Cisco is about to be killed by RF. He fired three shots. Barry freaks out and stops two bullets. The third one enters the anti-speedster field and hits RF in the chest. Barry then complains that RF is dead without confessing.

Then they find out it was really the shapeshifter. But until that moment, they all really thought it was RF.

So Barry was going to let Cisco die in hopes that he would get a confession? Seems uncharacteristically selfish of Barry. I hope Cisco calls him out on that next episode.
He couldn't grab the third one because he hit the barrier. He tried; I just rewatched the scene.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 30, 2015, 09:49:50 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 30, 2015, 09:50:02 PM
Yeah Master
what are you
a dumbass?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on April 30, 2015, 09:50:29 PM
re: the barrier thing
that being said
something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 01, 2015, 12:33:37 AM
Just had a thought. Joe thinks Cisco is about to be killed by RF. He fired three shots. Barry freaks out and stops two bullets. The third one enters the anti-speedster field and hits RF in the chest. Barry then complains that RF is dead without confessing.

Then they find out it was really the shapeshifter. But until that moment, they all really thought it was RF.

So Barry was going to let Cisco die in hopes that he would get a confession? Seems uncharacteristically selfish of Barry. I hope Cisco calls him out on that next episode.
He couldn't grab the third one because he hit the barrier. He tried; I just rewatched the scene.

You missed his point. He means Barry was trying to stop the bullets from hitting "Wells" which, as far as Barry knew, would've resulted in Cisco's death.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 01, 2015, 12:48:52 AM
Just had a thought. Joe thinks Cisco is about to be killed by RF. He fired three shots. Barry freaks out and stops two bullets. The third one enters the anti-speedster field and hits RF in the chest. Barry then complains that RF is dead without confessing.

Then they find out it was really the shapeshifter. But until that moment, they all really thought it was RF.

So Barry was going to let Cisco die in hopes that he would get a confession? Seems uncharacteristically selfish of Barry. I hope Cisco calls him out on that next episode.
He couldn't grab the third one because he hit the barrier. He tried; I just rewatched the scene.

You missed his point. He means Barry was trying to stop the bullets from hitting "Wells" which, as far as Barry knew, would've resulted in Cisco's death.
It looked to me like the bullets weren't all heading for Wells, but I can see what he meant.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on May 01, 2015, 03:16:18 AM
Did anybody notice this: http://screenrant.com/the-flash-future-newspaper-green-arrow-hawkgirl/ (http://screenrant.com/the-flash-future-newspaper-green-arrow-hawkgirl/)

I sure as shit didn't, but it's pretty cool. While it may end up being meaningless, the future newspaper that is always being shown references Green Arrow and Hawkgirl. That's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 01, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
We already know that Hawkgirl will be showing up in the new spin off along with Rip Hunter.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 01, 2015, 11:44:35 AM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".

I don't think so.  There was the earlier flashback where there was a similar electric discharge while he was in a coma.  Then immediately after the one in the present, she realizes he's Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 01, 2015, 01:18:06 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".

I don't think so.  There was the earlier flashback where there was a similar electric discharge while he was in a coma.  Then immediately after the one in the present, she realizes he's Barry.

Listen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 01, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
Just had a thought. Joe thinks Cisco is about to be killed by RF. He fired three shots. Barry freaks out and stops two bullets. The third one enters the anti-speedster field and hits RF in the chest. Barry then complains that RF is dead without confessing.

Then they find out it was really the shapeshifter. But until that moment, they all really thought it was RF.

So Barry was going to let Cisco die in hopes that he would get a confession? Seems uncharacteristically selfish of Barry. I hope Cisco calls him out on that next episode.
He couldn't grab the third one because he hit the barrier. He tried; I just rewatched the scene.

You missed his point. He means Barry was trying to stop the bullets from hitting "Wells" which, as far as Barry knew, would've resulted in Cisco's death.
It looked to me like the bullets weren't all heading for Wells, but I can see what he meant.

Barry complains after the bullet seemingly kills Wells... because now they won't get a confession. The alternative was Cisco's death (for all they knew). Seems like Barry was willing to save Wells and sacrifice Cisco in hopes to set his dad free.

Granted, the confession thing is dumb. Young Barry saw the RF as a kid. No one believed his story, so his dad goes to jail. Guess what? Now everyone would believe RF exists because a few cops and scientists have seen the fucker. The guy even murdered a few cops.

That's enough to at least get Barry's dad a new trial. Proving Wells is RF would be great to convict Wells... but is not needed to overturn Barry's dad's conviction.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 01, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".

I don't think so.  There was the earlier flashback where there was a similar electric discharge while he was in a coma.  Then immediately after the one in the present, she realizes he's Barry.

Listen.

Watch out!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 05, 2015, 10:48:28 PM
really great episode

Got Grodd done right

to bad he didnt sound like fraiser
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on May 06, 2015, 02:07:34 AM
Grodd was great. Iris was groan-worthy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Iris is the worst. Grodd is the best.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 06, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
didnt mind Irish

She seem to got over "YOU LIED TO ME" thing by the end of the episode
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 06, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Iris! "Maybe I could have helped you guys"....*they let her help*...."uuuuuh you're terrible at this and you should feel bad"!...Thanks Iris

I prefer Grodd's personality over whiney Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 06, 2015, 08:45:16 PM
If this episode didn't have Grodd in it this would have been the fucking WORST episode of the entire series
such fucking tweeny boppy drama bullshit. No. Seriously. Iris West is the worst written character in the show and her god damned entitlement in this episode dragged everything down. I can't even think of stuff I didn't like about Grodd (aside from maybe him talking in short parsed sentences like he's an idiot, but hey he's still developing his intelligence) because the entire fucking Iris subplot, fuck it to hell.
Fucking chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist
it's Arrow levels of bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on May 06, 2015, 11:11:26 PM
What, Dutch? You don't believe in the power of love? "Do it for ME, Barry."
It conquers all, and shit.

God I hate Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on May 06, 2015, 11:13:21 PM
Shut up about Iris, bro. She is so gorgeous she can be as shitty as she wants.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on May 06, 2015, 11:21:33 PM
If she did her scenes naked, or at least in a thong, I could be more forgiving. As is: Fuck Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 07, 2015, 05:36:01 AM
What, Dutch? You don't believe in the power of love? "Do it for ME, Barry."
It conquers all, and shit.

God I hate Iris.
Hrrrgn
Shut up about Iris, bro. She is so gorgeous she can be as shitty as she wants.
YOU'RE WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOCIETY
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 07, 2015, 05:36:46 AM
"MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE LET ME KNOW SO I CAN HELP"
"AAAH, DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING"
"I can't tell you if I really love you or not before you save my fiancé"
the fuck
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 07, 2015, 06:50:39 AM
Bring back Gotham so I can stop hating on Iris
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 07, 2015, 07:34:27 AM
BTW, how strong is Grodd? Because I expected that a fucking subway train ramming into him would be his death (a good way to end him, as he is a very CGI-intensive character). But nope, he's still doing his gorilla shit at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 07, 2015, 07:55:07 AM
He easily caught the sonic punch who girder was rocked from and he was basically a walking piece of metal
 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 07, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".

I don't think so.  There was the earlier flashback where there was a similar electric discharge while he was in a coma.  Then immediately after the one in the present, she realizes he's Barry.

Listen.

Ha!  Confirmed: Iris figured out his identity because no one in the DCCU builds up a static charge except Barry Allen.  Not because only Barry touches her hand that way.

Fuck you, Xerxes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 07, 2015, 02:32:56 PM
This wasn't an episode, this was a REMEMBER THE FINALE IS COMING UP

Good set up though. Iris figuring shit out was unexpected.

I didn't understand that part.  A little shock and-- OMG! Only Barry could have a static discharge!  ???

I think the shock was only part of it. I think it was more the way he talked to her and grabbed her hand. The static was more for "electricity between them".

I don't think so.  There was the earlier flashback where there was a similar electric discharge while he was in a coma.  Then immediately after the one in the present, she realizes he's Barry.

Listen.

Ha!  Confirmed: Iris figured out his identity because no one in the DCCU builds up a static charge except Barry Allen.  Not because only Barry touches her hand that way.

Fuck you, Xerxes.


Quote where I said you were wrong or concede to being a liar.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 07, 2015, 03:10:21 PM
I did, sad Beta male.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 07, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
I did, sad Beta male.

I said I thought there was more to it, not that you were wrong.

Concession accepted. Period.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 07, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
I did, sad Beta male.

I said I thought there was more to it, not that you were wrong.

Concession accepted. Period.

I said there wasn't.  You said there was.

That means you said I was wrong.

And I wasn't.

So there.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 07, 2015, 07:40:00 PM
Typical leftist, fascist, liberalism.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 07, 2015, 08:24:02 PM
Commie pinko faggot shit. **ROLLEYES**
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 07, 2015, 11:38:01 PM
I did, sad Beta male.

I said I thought there was more to it, not that you were wrong.

Concession accepted. Period.

I said there wasn't.  You said there was.

That means you said I was wrong.

And I wasn't.

So there.


smh you're being a disingenuous femisocialist right now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 08, 2015, 01:09:02 AM
It's a thing Betas made up because Spider-Man is a Superman analogue.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 08, 2015, 01:09:38 AM
Cisco mentioned Alligators in the sewers, so... Killer Croc confirmed for CW-verse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 08, 2015, 08:45:27 AM
wears red
wears blue
all you need to know
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 12, 2015, 09:21:33 PM
REALLY FUN EPISODE

lot of action, geek out seeing all those people fighting reverse flash. And showed the differnce between him and Flash

Although I got to applogize to neo for the new avenger vs CW heroes thread

he was right Flash is a dumbfuck

love the guy..love the show but he a dumb fuck

how did he think that little plan of his with captain Cold would work out

even Reverse Flash gave a smirk as to say "Oh barry..you fucking moron"

I mean sure some of us can come up with better plan, and none of genius who apparenty going to great an Advance AI

Still a fun episode
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 12, 2015, 09:25:59 PM
Barry's mistake is understandable given the circumstances.

Fun episode. Loved the fight and Iris in that white dress. Captain Cold is awesome, as usual.

Green Lantern confirmed!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Saitou Hajime on May 12, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Did Reverse Flash have any new feats?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 12, 2015, 10:42:35 PM
REALLY FUN EPISODE

lot of action, geek out seeing all those people fighting reverse flash. And showed the differnce between him and Flash

Although I got to applogize to neo for the new avenger vs CW heroes thread

he was right Flash is a dumbfuck

love the guy..love the show but he a dumb fuck

how did he think that little plan of his with captain Cold would work out

even Reverse Flash gave a smirk as to say "Oh barry..you fucking moron"

I mean sure some of us can come up with better plan, and none of genius who apparenty going to great an Advance AI

Still a fun episode

Whats funny is I was talking to my friend at work today and said we are going to see new levels of dumb from Barry when Cold betrays him so he can recruit some rogues.

Sidenote: Did Cold kill Deathbolt? I really hope he didn't. Doug Jones is the man.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 13, 2015, 12:40:23 AM
Did Reverse Flash have any new feats?
Vibrated nanites out of his blood stream, that were deigned by Ray Palmer to slow him down.

I liked Firestorm coming back, even though his appearance begs the question of where he's been and how Barry and co. found him.

Leonard Snark/Cold continues to chew scenery up! Despite not having powers, he makes you bet on him; I'd love to hear a conversation between him and Wells.

 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 13, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
This was a damn good episode. Barry had to make that mistake to grow as a character (and a hero). Fortunately for us, that means the Rogues are going to get more dangerous and powerful.

Still the best villain team.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 13, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
Some good, some bad. It did look goofy when Barry was standing still and was fanning smoke dude.

I didn't even know they HAD five people in the prison. Ghost girl, smoke dude, weather wizard, who're eye beam guy and other other guy? I completely forgot.
I liked  that Barry thought of an inuniverse solution to the problem with the magic bomb, but this just proves to me I should stay away from Arrow.
Ollie just puts his worst criminals on his "Hell Island"? Yeah okay, n/m.

Also, fuck me Iris shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.  Guy, traumatized by supervillain kidnapping, and you're Melrose placing him.

Also, Cold is ... well, cold. Also him just shooting that one dude, magic. "He owed me money." no clue as to whether it's true or not, and the other dudes just go "Yeah, works for me."

Plus the actual assembling of the rogues going beyond Captain Cold, Heatwave and Golden Glider?
Oh Jesus fucking Christ I can't believe they're actually doing it.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 13, 2015, 07:52:29 PM
I liked how Firestorm Deux Ex Machinad in, and then I expected the Atom, and we got Arrow instead.
...
And ... the first thing he says to the superspeed guy who's fighting a superspeed guy is "Move".
Adoi.
The fight scene was cool though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 13, 2015, 08:02:30 PM
Some good, some bad. It did look goofy when Barry was standing still and was fanning smoke dude.

I didn't even know they HAD five people in the prison. Ghost girl, smoke dude, weather wizard, who're eye beam guy and other other guy? I completely forgot.
I liked  that Barry thought of an inuniverse solution to the problem with the magic bomb, but this just proves to me I should stay away from Arrow.
Ollie just puts his worst criminals on his "Hell Island"? Yeah okay, n/m.

Also, fuck me Iris shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.  Guy, traumatized by supervillain kidnapping, and you're Melrose placing him.

Also, Cold is ... well, cold. Also him just shooting that one dude, magic. "He owed me money." no clue as to whether it's true or not, and the other dudes just go "Yeah, works for me."

Plus the actual assembling of the rogues going beyond Captain Cold, Heatwave and Golden Glider?
Oh Jesus fucking Christ I can't believe they're actually doing it.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Deathbolt was the guy Cold shot. He appeared on Arrow and they gave him over to Cisco to lock up. He was the first meta they encountered that wasn't caused by the particle accelerator. The other guy was Rainbow Raider, the dude from the Flash/Arrow crossover that caused extreme rage.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 13, 2015, 08:25:55 PM
Oh riiiiiiiight (re: Rainbow raider)
So now the Flash/Arrowverse has non-particle accident meta's?
Interesting.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 13, 2015, 11:23:11 PM
Another fun episode. The Snart backstabbing was predictable, but it was cool seeing the rogues all together like that. The fight at the end was awesome too. Good character building for Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 14, 2015, 03:46:16 AM
Oh riiiiiiiight (re: Rainbow raider)
So now the Flash/Arrowverse has non-particle accident meta's?
Interesting.
It does, even Arrow's "Brick" - His invulnerability has yet to be explained.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 17, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
For as much as this show is blowing through plots and storylines, I'm surprised we haven't gotten Mirror Master yet. I was really looking forward to the Mirror Master/Cold dynamic.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 17, 2015, 08:48:06 PM
Deffo. Also something coming up with Eddie. No chance are they going to pass up on Zoom (II). Also, Kadabra.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 17, 2015, 11:51:32 PM
Hoping Eddie goes out like a hero - killing himself to kill Thawne. His complete and utter loss (His life, Iris etc...) forever inspires Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 18, 2015, 12:11:26 AM
We could still come across:

Mirror Master
AbraKadabra
Dr. Alchemy
THE TURTLE
The Chunk
Murmur
Speed Demon
White Lightning(Yeah, she's a Bart villain. However, it's a CW show, so hot girl with sexual powers is bound to show up)

Ones I think we won't see due to cgi looking shitty:
Tarpit
Kilgore
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 18, 2015, 07:44:31 AM
I actually like Eddie... I'm REALLY hoping the show doesn't cop out on the obvious routine and just have him turn heel.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 18, 2015, 09:24:42 AM
We could still come across:

The Chunk
who
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 18, 2015, 11:01:24 AM
We could still come across:

The Chunk
who

Really fat black guy with a black hole inside of him that he can control (later).
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 18, 2015, 11:27:40 AM
I thought he was just Chunk, no article.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 18, 2015, 11:58:21 AM
He was introduced as "The Chunk" and just became "Chunk" later on. I'd like to see that happen in the show if he appears.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 18, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
He was introduced as "The Chunk" and just became "Chunk" later on. I'd like to see that happen in the show if he appears.

Ah, my knowledge of pre-Wally West Flash is extremely limited.

Heck, my knowledge of POST-Wally West Flash is extremely limited.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 18, 2015, 01:43:41 PM
His first appearance was in Wally's books! Like Flash 7-9 or something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 18, 2015, 03:32:51 PM
His first appearance was in Wally's books! Like Flash 7-9 or something along those lines.

Well I don't have anything back that far! :p

I think the earlist ones I have are in the 40's or 60's or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 18, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
I actually like Eddie... I'm REALLY hoping the show doesn't cop out on the obvious routine and just have him turn heel.

It's the CW.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 19, 2015, 11:08:08 AM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/26299-3790-29206-1-flash.jpg)

WTF is going on with Barry's arms, neck, and head in that picture?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 19, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
I dunno
could it have anything to do with the guy with a black hole in his body next to him? I can't tell I'm bad at science
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 19, 2015, 02:07:11 PM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/26299-3790-29206-1-flash.jpg)

WTF is going on with Barry's arms, neck, and head in that picture?


That's Wally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 19, 2015, 02:28:53 PM
Well that explains that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 07:46:48 PM
Season 2 of Flash going is going to involve the multiverse

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48kj1M5tG1r7tfy9o2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 19, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
The only thing that could make this show more comic book-y is if they introduced Detective Chimp.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 19, 2015, 08:23:11 PM
.... If they bring in Detective Chimp it has to be in a Grodd episode
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 08:25:59 PM
VUT? He hasn't gone faster then mach 2???
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 09:01:54 PM
Really good episode. They could have sped (Ha!) up things a bit though

SPOILER


 -Cisco is confirmed to be a meta. Vibe coming soon.
 -Eddie is a walking coincidence.....literally,
 -Professor Stein is awesome...just a fun character
 -Firestorm and Kaitlin marry...CW
 -I don't get why everyone is so supportive of barry messing with time as everything will be different including their own lives. Oh Barry will cause a global blackhole....meh! no worries
 -Barry travels back in time
 -Flash museum!!!!
 -See a glimpse of Killer Frost
 -Future Barry tells Barry to not help his mom...so he doesn't
 -Then talks to his dying mom...more crying....CW
 -Wells makes a time sphere. Mentions Rip Hunter!
 -HOLY CRAP JAY'S HELMET??!!!! Watch his dad become the Flash
 -Flash and Reverse Flash fight in an awesome fight
 -Eddie kills himself to stop Wells!!!! Holy shit!!! Yeah that should have messed up the timeline way more then that. Wells should be alive now though
 -blackhole opens up eating everything in the city. Barry runs so fast to try to close the blackhole...and it ends


 What a season. Insane.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
.... If they bring in Detective Chimp it has to be in a Grodd episode


Speaking of monkies....what ever happened to Grodd?


No I haven't been watching.


He just recently appeared and is still kicking around
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 19, 2015, 10:06:33 PM
I want more of an explanation for the Helmet as for the Eddie thing yeah it should change everything but hey timetravel.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 10:26:44 PM
I want more of an explanation for the Helmet as for the Eddie thing yeah it should change everything but hey timetravel.

Same, but as I mentioned above could just be another Earth which we might see soon. I could see Barry's dad being Jay.

Season 2 of Flash going is going to involve the multiverse

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48kj1M5tG1r7tfy9o2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 19, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
10-Q for the info.


And I also found it funny that it was Katelyn that got to play the dumb one and not know what a Singularity is.    Wowo....She leanred that der scienciy stuff real good a that thar School o edgumucation she learnt at by gum.




Cause girls are dumb.


That was the one bad point in the episode for me.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 19, 2015, 10:48:12 PM
So did Eddie killing himself cause the wormhole to become unstable?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 19, 2015, 10:56:14 PM
Not sure  but really that timeline should have ceased to exist with Eddie doing that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 19, 2015, 11:37:36 PM
I want more of an explanation for the Helmet as for the Eddie thing yeah it should change everything but hey timetravel.
Perhaps they discover tree like timelines. Which would mean Cisco would still be dead... yeah I don't know.

More likely Thawne traveled back further initially and has at different points in time fought more than one Flash, hence his rant about them being each other's legacy nemesis's - And thus, has run into Garrick and Wally before and to come?...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on May 20, 2015, 02:11:29 AM
I thought it was interesting that Barry didn't ask how he was fighting Wells more than 136 years in the future. I mean, he could have assumed he'd simply traveled forward in time or something or that his powers would allow him to live that long, but I would have at least asked.

Also, Barry traveled through time once before, so how has he not gone more than mach 2?

All-in-all this was a great episode. As already mentioned, this show is so very comic-booky, and they're pulling it off quite well. I love that.

I too was thinking with Eddie's death, no more Reverse Flash, meaning no coming back in time to mess with everything, meaning the last 15 years or whatever didn't happen. Maybe that's what the black hole was. It was created not by the unstable wormhole, but by the degradation of that timeline. It was sort of langoliering a world/time that shouldn't exist.

How did they not have a fail-safe in place in case the wormhole became unstable? I thought that was the point of much of their planning. I didn't understand whey they suddenly had to sprint out of the room to go shut down some generators. Wouldn't a couple of them been standing exactly by those generators in case something went wrong?

Also as mentioned, but I'm too lazy to go back and pull a quote, I was surprised no one was too upset about 15 years of their lives being erased with the possibility of destroying the entire world just so Barry could avoid an admittedly horrific tragedy. Also, didn't anyone worry what would happen to the future timeline with RF's return? He seemed like a pretty bad guy. Sending him to a future with no Flash to combat him seems pretty awful.

Why do I always post nothing but gripes? I actually really liked this episode. Holy shit, I'm a sour son of a bitch. Oh well.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 20, 2015, 03:39:44 AM
So did Eddie killing himself cause the wormhole to become unstable?
This is what I think it was seeing how Wells is suppose to be a regular next season and this will probably set up Rip Hunter coming next season
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 06:10:30 AM
Did he really run at mach 2? Awesome!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 20, 2015, 09:32:29 AM
I too was thinking with Eddie's death, no more Reverse Flash, meaning no coming back in time to mess with everything, meaning the last 15 years or whatever didn't happen. Maybe that's what the black hole was. It was created not by the unstable wormhole, but by the degradation of that timeline. It was sort of langoliering a world/time that shouldn't exist.

That's how I took it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 10:14:20 AM
Well that was cool. Not overly action packed or anything, but suitably climactic.

Iris didn't bother me because for a change, when the universe might go tits up, having a heart to heart moment actually suits you know.

Plus, the entire show telling Barry "Don't timetravel. It's bad." and him going "MAYBE I SHOULD TIMETRAVEL." then using it to say goodbye to his mom instead, was something I was satisfied with. A bit disappointed with the last fight between Reverse Flash and Barry, but hey he's more powerful so yeah.

Eddie killing himself I saw coming. I mean they weren't exactly subtle about it with Wells/Thawne telling Eddie he's basically worthless and then Stein telling him EVERYBODY HAS A PURPOSE.

The flashes (lol) in the wormhole suitably fun. Barry in prison, Killer Frost, the Legends of Tomorrow robot trailer piece.

Didn't care for the Wedding. Wasn't that pivotal to me, but eh.

Fucking hated that cliffhanger though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 10:14:37 AM
And yeah. Killer Frost.
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/5d3fef033cd206068124e4d21fcb41bc/tumblr_nonjiixdH21runde6o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
Killer hnnnnsk
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
We got to see her as a sexy villain before on Grimm. I'm looking forward to her as Killer Frost.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 11:49:44 AM
Eddie sure chose the drama queen solution.

Reverse Flash: "Wh-what's happening? I'm fading!"
Eddie: "I decided to go get a vasectomy later today."

or even

Eddie: "Hey, this is my new friend who's got a sure-fire way to deal with you. His name's Ramsay."

But no. Bullet to the chest.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on May 20, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
VUT? He hasn't gone faster then mach 2???

I think he has, and he was going much faster in the particle accelerator. They Cisco was just letting them know that the sound and the rumbling was due to Barry breaking the sound barrier.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 20, 2015, 12:46:42 PM
And yeah. Killer Frost.
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/5d3fef033cd206068124e4d21fcb41bc/tumblr_nonjiixdH21runde6o1_500.jpg)

Do you wanna build a snowman?

VUT? He hasn't gone faster then mach 2???

I think he has, and he was going much faster in the particle accelerator. They Cisco was just letting them know that the sound and the rumbling was due to Barry breaking the sound barrier.

thats what they said though.  Barry never went as fast as Mach 2, which I strongly disagree with.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense but thats exactly what they said. The only way to kind of mesh what we've seen and what we are told is that there are other Speed Force shenanigans in play. Like him moving faster than the lightening. Maybe he wasn't just moving faster than it. Maybe he was also draining speed from it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Do you wanna build a snowman?

No
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 20, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Do you wanna build a snowman?

No

Fine! I guess I'll just "let it go" then.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 02:34:52 PM
The correct response would have been
Ok, bye
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
actually the new correct response is


shut up
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 02:53:54 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense but thats exactly what they said. The only way to kind of mesh what we've seen and what we are told is that there are other Speed Force shenanigans in play. Like him moving faster than the lightening. Maybe he wasn't just moving faster than it. Maybe he was also draining speed from it.

The fastest man alive. Who isn't really that fast, he just makes the rest of the world lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=youtu.be&t=201

Maybe in the Flash universe, the speed of light is made of paper. After all, it's not really reasonable that light is that much faster than sound. It all comes out of the TV at the same time, right?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 02:58:20 PM
actually the new correct response is


shut up
DAMNIT
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense but thats exactly what they said. The only way to kind of mesh what we've seen and what we are told is that there are other Speed Force shenanigans in play. Like him moving faster than the lightening. Maybe he wasn't just moving faster than it. Maybe he was also draining speed from it.

The fastest man alive. Who isn't really that fast, he just makes the rest of the world lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=youtu.be&t=201

Maybe in the Flash universe, the speed of light is made of paper. After all, it's not really reasonable that light is that much faster than sound. It all comes out of the TV at the same time, right?

It could be. It could also be that you don't know that the speed of light and speed of lightening are not the same.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 03:16:36 PM
It could be. It could also be that you don't know that the speed of light and speed of lightening are not the same.

Lightening is just adding more light.

But I was thinking of the particle accelerator run (where things generally collide at near the speed of light), not the lightening incident.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 20, 2015, 03:17:10 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense but thats exactly what they said. The only way to kind of mesh what we've seen and what we are told is that there are other Speed Force shenanigans in play. Like him moving faster than the lightening. Maybe he wasn't just moving faster than it. Maybe he was also draining speed from it.

The fastest man alive. Who isn't really that fast, he just makes the rest of the world lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=youtu.be&t=201

Maybe in the Flash universe, the speed of light is made of paper. After all, it's not really reasonable that light is that much faster than sound. It all comes out of the TV at the same time, right?

It could be. It could also be that you don't know that the speed of light and speed of lightening are not the same.

What is the speed of darkening?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
slower than a cops bullet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 03:23:47 PM
It could be. It could also be that you don't know that the speed of light and speed of lightening are not the same.

Lightening is just adding more light.

But I was thinking of the particle accelerator run (where things generally collide at near the speed of light), not the lightening incident.

Yes but they straight up said he didn't need to be that fast. Mach 2 was good enough.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 04:09:06 PM
He set off a sonic boom. At what part of the episode did they say he was only moving at mach 2? Cisco said "He just passed mach 2," then he visibly accelerated further and started seeing the Speed Force.

That would be like saying somebody speeding up to get on the freeway is only moving 40 when they're clearly accelerating to 60+.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 04:21:52 PM
I wasn't saying he was only going mach 2. I'm just saying that he didn't necessarily reach near light speed. Before that incident they said he never went faster than Mach 2. After the incident we know he went faster than Mach 2. We know he can dodging Lightning and time travel without hitting Mach 2 which is probably due to some inherent relationship with the speed force.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 20, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Jesus Christ, nerds
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
He set off a sonic boom. At what part of the episode did they say he was only moving at mach 2? Cisco said "He just passed mach 2," then he visibly accelerated further and started seeing the Speed Force.

That would be like saying somebody speeding up to get on the freeway is only moving 40 when they're clearly accelerating to 60+.

From the episode, in sequence:

1. Barry sees the Speed Force images. He's moving really fast now.
http://i.imgur.com/GmCJFeN.jpg

2. Wow, Stein's coffee is surging, the heroic music is swelling. Weird physics are afoot. Wormhole good to go!
http://i.imgur.com/ZRuUAo7.jpg

3. A good look at the velocity counter on their highly advanced scientific monitors.
http://i.imgur.com/fGDF9Yg.jpg
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
I'm honestly just trolling at this point because the writers gave a hard number that doesn't make any sense. They really just pay a little more attention to the science end of this show.

But seriously, whats a singularity?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on May 20, 2015, 04:32:09 PM
Jesus Christ, nerds

To boil it down to un-nerdery: The writing was offensively bad in some spots.

Mach 2.
"What's a singularity?"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 04:47:02 PM
I wasn't saying he was only going mach 2. I'm just saying that he didn't necessarily reach near light speed. Before that incident they said he never went faster than Mach 2. After the incident we know he went faster than Mach 2. We know he can dodging Lightning and time travel without hitting Mach 2 which is probably due to some inherent relationship with the speed force.

When did they say he's never gone faster than mach 2?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
He set off a sonic boom. At what part of the episode did they say he was only moving at mach 2? Cisco said "He just passed mach 2," then he visibly accelerated further and started seeing the Speed Force.

That would be like saying somebody speeding up to get on the freeway is only moving 40 when they're clearly accelerating to 60+.

From the episode, in sequence:

1. Barry sees the Speed Force images. He's moving really fast now.
http://i.imgur.com/GmCJFeN.jpg

2. Wow, Stein's coffee is surging, the heroic music is swelling. Weird physics are afoot. Wormhole good to go!
http://i.imgur.com/ZRuUAo7.jpg

3. A good look at the velocity counter on their highly advanced scientific monitors.
http://i.imgur.com/fGDF9Yg.jpg

I never saw the speedometer. Their language, visuals and precedence says something different, but throwing it up on the speedometer screen pretty much seals it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 20, 2015, 04:55:48 PM
I wasn't saying he was only going mach 2. I'm just saying that he didn't necessarily reach near light speed. Before that incident they said he never went faster than Mach 2. After the incident we know he went faster than Mach 2. We know he can dodging Lightning and time travel without hitting Mach 2 which is probably due to some inherent relationship with the speed force.

When did they say he's never gone faster than mach 2?

About 20 minutes in.  Right after Stein says that the minimum speed Barry would need to attain is Mach 2, Caitlin says he's never gone that fast.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
Yeah so basically before that scene he topped off somewhere between Mach 1 and 2 and know he's gotten up to between 4 and 5.

So still not as fast as we expected.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 20, 2015, 04:57:43 PM
Well that explains that.

It does.

Wally's arms and head are wack.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
I wasn't saying he was only going mach 2. I'm just saying that he didn't necessarily reach near light speed. Before that incident they said he never went faster than Mach 2. After the incident we know he went faster than Mach 2. We know he can dodging Lightning and time travel without hitting Mach 2 which is probably due to some inherent relationship with the speed force.

When did they say he's never gone faster than mach 2?

About 20 minutes in.  Right after Stein says that the minimum speed Barry would need to attain is Mach 2, Caitlin says he's never gone that fast.

I went back and tried to find it before asking. Who the hell wrote this episode?

Was it Geoff Johns? Did he personally write this? It would explain a lot.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 20, 2015, 05:31:33 PM
The correct response would have been
Ok, bye

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/da9e8ac8d71fbc213160371d2c707c27/tumblr_myr8zgNX2t1ra83rco1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 20, 2015, 05:46:30 PM
The episode was written by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Stanton

It is the only episode she wrote this season.

It was also written by:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kreisberg

He worked on several episodes. He should know better! >:(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 21, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
Why would you think its bad?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 21, 2015, 08:18:50 AM
Why would you think its bad?

RIV is crazy like that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 21, 2015, 09:57:49 AM
I wasn't saying he was only going mach 2. I'm just saying that he didn't necessarily reach near light speed. Before that incident they said he never went faster than Mach 2. After the incident we know he went faster than Mach 2. We know he can dodging Lightning and time travel without hitting Mach 2 which is probably due to some inherent relationship with the speed force.

But if an elevator is moving fast enough to see the speed force, can it still lift Thor's hammer?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 21, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
As long as it doesn't eat after midnight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 21, 2015, 10:37:20 PM
Such an awesome scene
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/600/0/1/Garrick-d4530.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 21, 2015, 10:41:51 PM
Yuuuurp.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 21, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
I like the implications of the scene. Thawne is so sure he can beat Barry yet he looks seriously worried about Jay showing up.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 21, 2015, 11:13:48 PM
Well, Barry is still relatively inexperienced, especially compared to Thawne.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on May 21, 2015, 11:16:51 PM
Such an awesome scene
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/600/0/1/Garrick-d4530.gif)

Heh, yeah, I got a chuckle out of that.

"What the Hell is that?"

"My cue to leave."

I do like the multiverse angle the show seems to be going. I imagine we're going to get a full on Flash of Two Worlds story out of this, complete with them re-making the scene from that cover. These guys clearly seem to embrace the comic book nature of the show and run with it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 22, 2015, 03:09:34 AM
Hopefully Legends turns out to be more Flash than Arrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 22, 2015, 03:12:53 AM
From my vague understanding:

Girls like Arrow. Nerds like Flash
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 22, 2015, 03:55:50 AM
I liked Arrow's first 2 seasons. This season however is so lifeless and over-dramatic it feels like a highschool drama-play.
They introduced a character who's hero, more likable than the main protagonist (Routh). They took their most likable character in general and removed all of her likable traits (Felicity).Then, they took a good Batman story and tried to make it fit Green Arrow, presuming it would somehow work, because neither Batman or Green Arrow have powers. All the intensity from seasons one and two is now toothless, thanks in large from character deaths being devoid of impact once the Lazarus Pit had been introduced. They even pulled the resurrection gag on two different main characters this season, only highlighting how truly irrelevant everything in the show has become.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 23, 2015, 03:45:18 PM
Yes the JSA existed as a Secret Society in Smallville.

It would be pretty interesting if the alt reality that helmet came from was the Smallville-verse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 23, 2015, 04:59:55 PM
I'd fucking love that. That way Smallville isn't part of Flash's main universe/timeline, but somewhere out there, Clark is flying through a universe and tossing planets around like a BOSS.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 23, 2015, 05:03:45 PM
Smallville being the DCTV Multiverse's Earth 1 while the Arrow/Flash verse being Earth 2. I just got a nerd boner.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 23, 2015, 05:45:41 PM
Oh god that could give us an alternate Green Arrow and then Barry could pick up the name and say it to regular non-descript colour Arrow and non-descript colour Arrow'd be like HELL YEAH THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY COOL despite him going HAH LAME to John b-Arrowman in season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 23, 2015, 06:29:32 PM
Arrow Ollie taking the name from Smallville Ollie would be a neat parallel to how Barry got his name from Jay in the comics.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 23, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
Smallville Ollie could visit Team Arrow and sleep with every female cast member.

At once.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 23, 2015, 11:05:45 PM
Sidenote: Barry is going to start season 2 by RUNNING SO FAST THAT HE CLOSES A FUCKING BLACKHOLE. That will officially make him the fastest live action character ever... and put him right up there with comic speedsters.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 23, 2015, 11:09:51 PM
Yeah, like, MACH 2. Seriously, safado.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 23, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Come on, that's at least Mach 2.5.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 25, 2015, 01:42:19 AM
Smallville being the DCTV Multiverse's Earth 1 while the Arrow/Flash verse being Earth 2. I just got a nerd boner.
In comics Garrick is (Was) Flash of Earth 2. Not saying the CW-Verse is exactly like Earth Zero/Prime - Just thinking they might proceed with named characters existing closely to the current comic makeup.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2015, 08:15:22 AM
Yeah probably. Either way it would be cool.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 25, 2015, 03:41:53 PM
I expect him to go to an earth and Barry's dad will be the flash. Either in the same suit he was in the 90s or in jays outfit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 25, 2015, 03:45:33 PM
#InsidersTip they're going to be Earth A and Earth 1, respectively
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 25, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
Just the tip?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on May 25, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
I'm a teaser not a pleaser
wait that came out wrong
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 25, 2015, 05:48:20 PM
came

You too?

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121120034759/glee/images/5/5c/Creepy_7b66a0_1873569.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: zechs on June 11, 2015, 02:55:05 PM
Quote
The CW looks to cast a new season-long role under the name John Clark for "The Flash" season two.

According to TV Line, the casting call seeks "a classically handsome, square-jawed hero in his 30s to early 40s, a slightly cynical man 'with an edge.'" Though not a character in the comics, John Clark is a letterer for DC Comics, which means the name could be a placeholder for another character yet to be revealed or that the show will create a new character whose name homages the creator.

As per this casting call, it's unclear whether this new character will be a friend or foe to Barry Allen (Grant Gustin). All considering, however, is it possible that this character will be our Jay Garrick, as teased in the season one finale?

Yesterday, The CW has put out a casting call for Wendy, a "spunky, fun and funny" love interest for Barry in the vein of Felicity Smoak from "Arrow." Like Felicity, Wendy will be intelligent and well versed in science. She will debut in the second episode of the show's second season.

"The Flash" returns to The CW this fall.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-flash-seeks-to-cast-new-season-long-role-for-season-2
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: BillyRunsThingsSon on July 11, 2015, 07:34:43 PM
Why didn't Barry put on a gas mask before he fought the gas man?  He knew he was made of POISON GAS the whole time!  WOW!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on July 11, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
Barry is the world's dumbest scientist

YOU KNOW WHAT
I SHALL STAND STILL
WHILE BEES ARE CHASING ME
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on July 12, 2015, 07:53:56 AM
http://ie001.blogspot.ca/2015/07/jay-garrick-confirmed-for-flash-season-2.html
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on July 12, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
http://ie001.blogspot.ca/2015/07/jay-garrick-confirmed-for-flash-season-2.html

Niiiiiiiice.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on July 13, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
The stuff I read yesterday (and I'll try to find links later)

1) Garrick is joining (see above)
2) Wally West is joining (not cast yet)
3) Zoom will be the main villain, and will be "faster than Barry or Wells" (So... more "I HAVE TO GO FASTER" episodes)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on July 13, 2015, 10:08:35 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/07/12/sdcc-15-the-flash-season-1-highlight-video/
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 16, 2015, 05:28:04 PM
vrrrrrrmm YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME



so...Edge is Atom Smasher eh?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 16, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/former-wwe-champion-joins-the-flash-for-season-2
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 16, 2015, 05:30:40 PM
odd he's a villain
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on July 16, 2015, 05:35:14 PM
On this day

Flash sees clearly




Oh my god, can Vicki Guerrero please accompany him?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on July 16, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
That costume looks pretty awful haha
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on July 16, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
That costume looks pretty awful HAW HAW

Fixed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on July 17, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Ironside is joining, as Snart Sr.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on August 08, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
Wally West has been cast

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-flash-casts-wally-west
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 08, 2015, 06:31:03 PM
So their going with new 52 Wally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on August 08, 2015, 06:41:37 PM
Race casting Iris was done in comics specifically due to the shows casting. DC is retarded. That being said Iris is fine as hell in this show so that's the only redeeming feature of that decision.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on August 08, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
No prob
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on August 08, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
In other news, whoa! Lots of Flashes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 11, 2015, 05:52:02 PM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Flash-S2-JG-1st-Look-8E700F-c23e7.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on August 11, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
Bring it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on August 12, 2015, 07:23:31 AM
It always warms my heart when they send up to source material in ways like that. It lets me know they really care about me, you know?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on September 01, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
http://t.co/ILbMRhDbwi
(obvious spoilers)

well I guess this confirms it, but fuck me, that's a cool guy to get to do a voice
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on September 02, 2015, 12:15:43 AM
Would have preferred Keith David.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 12, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
http://nerdist.com/new-the-flash-season-2-trailer-hints-at-villains-from-other-worlds/
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 06, 2015, 08:59:05 PM
Ok episode. Little disappointed how easily and quick the black hole was dealt with. Thought it would have more lasting effect but will have serious repercussions (alternate earths baby). joe needs to stop laughing at everything

Atom Smasher actually was pretty cool and über. Edge sure is looking rough though. Predicted the twist with him and the mastermind behind it

Flash signal? Oh lord. Iris is still the worst. Did not care Eddie died and didn't even acknowledge him in the least (other then looking at the picture of him) or was in grieving. Maybe they will focus on it in another episode

Haha Barry's dad. I'm free!!!!!!....see ya. I ain't got time to bond
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 06, 2015, 09:27:11 PM
Daddy gotta get his dick wet.

Sometimes they make it hard to like this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2015, 10:03:45 PM
Yeah Henry Allen leaving for those reasons was stupid. If he had left because of bad memories, like his wife's death or being in jail, that'd make sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 06, 2015, 10:07:02 PM
Like he didn't even want to stick around for even a day?

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/7V7LW/cold-blooded/image.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 06, 2015, 11:24:47 PM
The CGI for Atom Smasher's size changing was rough. The CGI is usually pretty decent but he looked like a balloon being inflated.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 06, 2015, 11:28:24 PM
The CGI for Atom Smasher's size changing was rough. The CGI is usually pretty decent but he looked like a balloon being inflated.

I was thinking "Stretch Armstrong" every time he grew. Isn't Atom Smasher a good guy? I guess he's from another world/Earth/dimension/whatever, so maybe there he wasn't or something.

They needed to come up with a reason to not have Barry's dad around all the time. Actors cost money and screen time. But yeah, a better reason would have been good. And he could have at hung around for a week or so.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2015, 11:34:15 PM
Iirc, Atom Smasher was a villain at first.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 06, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
Iirc, Atom Smasher was a villain at first.

I don't think so. He was a member of Infinity Inc and later the JSA. The closest to being a bad guy was when he sided with Black Adam as far as I know.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2015, 11:47:38 PM
Iirc, Atom Smasher was a villain at first.

I don't think so. He was a member of Infinity Inc and later the JSA. The closest to being a bad guy was when he sided with Black Adam as far as I know.

Ok. I wasn't sure. Thought he had some villainy tied to his past.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 07, 2015, 12:36:24 AM
like the idea of flash day

make him different from other heroes..where it not a "Fighting for a world that doesnt understand him"

there like

"naaa he save the city like 6 times already..we like the dude"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 07, 2015, 01:22:26 AM
So I'm guessing the reality-anomaly that Firestorm closed and was lost in, is responsible for the time displacement in Legends of Tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 07, 2015, 03:25:32 AM
They could have just said his dad wanted to see the world after being in jail so long
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 07, 2015, 02:40:52 PM
Barry: Oh man! I'm so happy! We can get an apartment together, go fishing, I can run us to Disneyworld since you never got to take me as a kid!

Henry: errrr... sure kid. I'm just gonna run down to the store for a pack of smokes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 07, 2015, 02:42:41 PM
Also, they straight up murdered Atom Smasher and didn't seem to care. Even Ollie seemed to feel remorse for what he did.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 08, 2015, 07:07:49 AM
Also, they straight up murdered Atom Smasher and didn't seem to care. Even Ollie seemed to feel remorse for what he did.

Barry seemed to be a bit saddened but mentions they had no other choice.

His team on the other hand was all high fives and smiles about the kill. Even Joe who has talked out about that stuff in the past. Granted, Atom Smasher was physically more powerful than anyone they've run into since Grodd. And they did try to kill Grodd. So... last resort? Last resort.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 08, 2015, 08:17:54 AM
Didn't it bother anyone else how casually they were talking about Barry being the Flash in the police station loudly not in whispers.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 08, 2015, 01:56:44 PM
did like the call backs on how people just keep walking into star labs
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 08, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
Didn't it bother anyone else how casually they were talking about Barry being the Flash in the police station loudly not in whispers.

Yeah, that was weird as shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 13, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Ok episode. Cool to see Jay, but not a fan of him being so young..... Apparently he could run close to speed of light before his depowering

Iris still not showing any emotion with Eddie's death. Cold blooded.

Female detective is a smoke show.

Harrison wells lives.....kind of. I like that design of earth 2

Cisco said "vibe"....ooooooOoooo
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 13, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
Yay Wells is back.  I wanted Jay to be older and have at least a decade under his belt as the Flash. How is he suppose to be a mentor with only a year more experience than Barry.  Iris mom coming back should be interesting hope they do something interesting with her for a change.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
Eh. I'm not dealt interested in family drama. I hope Jay gets his powers back quickly.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 13, 2015, 11:49:16 PM
I get Barry's reluctance to trust a stranger, but he's kind of coming off as a whiny little bitch.


"Lightning plus sand equals glass," except when you've spent several minutes explaining that the bad guy isn't made of sand.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 14, 2015, 12:13:59 AM
Eh. I'm not dealt interested in family drama. I hope Jay gets his powers back quickly.

Agreed on both. I'm a little annoyed about Cisco keeping his secret. It seems horribly forced and simply used to create the old "someone has a secret" drama. "Wells gave me these powers and everything he did was evil. Boo hoo." Wells also gave Barry his powers.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on October 14, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
It's obvious they are building up to the inevitable true team up but damn no powers? Smh...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 14, 2015, 05:09:12 PM
I get Barry's reluctance to trust a stranger, but he's kind of coming off as a whiny little bitch.


It was the worst. I'm happy it's contained in this episode and not an overreaching arc.

WELL I DON'T NEED YOU TO TEACH ME ANYTHING

also, 2 years sounds really short for a "veteran" Flash. Like they wanted him better than Barry but not TOO OLD BECAUSE the OC demographic or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 14, 2015, 08:53:21 PM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/flash-homage2-7d17a.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 14, 2015, 10:51:02 PM
I get Barry's reluctance to trust a stranger, but he's kind of coming off as a whiny little bitch.


It was the worst. I'm happy it's contained in this episode and not an overreaching arc.

WELL I DON'T NEED YOU TO TEACH ME ANYTHING

also, 2 years sounds really short for a "veteran" Flash. Like they wanted him better than Barry but not TOO OLD BECAUSE the OC demographic or something.

actually it one year Barry been doing it for a year now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 15, 2015, 08:05:23 AM
He was talking about Jay.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 15, 2015, 09:02:12 AM
He was talking about Jay.

I know Jay's been the Flash for 2 years. Barry 1 years . So Jay only has 1 year more of experience than Barry
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 15, 2015, 09:06:48 AM
Yeah and Dutch is saying 2 years isn't log enough for someone to be considered a "veteran"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 15, 2015, 09:37:21 AM
I had an issue with Jay being so young yet still calling Barry "kid." It just didn't gel, same with his supposed experience. I LOVE the 52 shout-out and really hope they do something with Earth 3.

I also wonder if, since we're dealing with parallel Earths, will the Anti-Monitor be making an appearance to be the Season 3 villain? I'd love to see Savitar but 3 speedster villains in a row would be a bit redundant, I think. If it were me, I'd do AM or the Rogues as the Big Bads for Seasons 3-4 and then go back to Savitar.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 15, 2015, 04:39:13 PM
I get Barry's reluctance to trust a stranger, but he's kind of coming off as a whiny little bitch.


It was the worst. I'm happy it's contained in this episode and not an overreaching arc.

WELL I DON'T NEED YOU TO TEACH ME ANYTHING

also, 2 years sounds really short for a "veteran" Flash. Like they wanted him better than Barry but not TOO OLD BECAUSE the OC demographic or something.

actually it one year Barry been doing it for a year now.
Learn to fucking read.

LOVE YA

but learn to fucking read
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 15, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
Also, infinite Earths? Supergirl crossover. Done.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 15, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
Tom Welling better show up. It's not like he's too busy or anything.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 15, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
Also, infinite Earths? Supergirl crossover. Done.

Infinite Earths but 52 openings. DC really loves that number now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 15, 2015, 05:35:20 PM
Tom Welling better show up. It's not like he's too busy or anything.

Welling can fly in and uppercut reality back to normal.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 15, 2015, 05:39:52 PM
Tom Welling better show up. It's not like he's too busy or anything.

I was hoping the Jay Garrick that showed up was going to be the one from the Smallville-verse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on October 15, 2015, 11:12:33 PM
Jay only having a 2 year experience edge over Barry makes a lot of sense, actually. Remember, in this timeline, the Reverse Flash artificially accelerated the development of the Particle Accelerator that gave Barry his powers. In the original timeline, Barry didn't get his powers until the year 2020, so a 'proper' Jay/Barry team up wouldn't have occurred until Jay had anywhere from 7 to 10 years more experience, depending on how quickly future Barry got his powers. So a younger, less experienced Jay makes a fair bit of sense, since we've also got a younger Barry as well.

Him calling Barry 'kid' is just part of how everyone views Barry as really young. Even Ollie use to make jokes about Barry getting carded and what not and he's only a couple years older than Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 15, 2015, 11:25:38 PM
Side note: "Hello, kids."

I had a nerdgasm.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on October 18, 2015, 12:42:56 PM
Just watching 2.2 right now. They name-checked Fred Chyre as a former partner of Joe's who is deceased. That stinks! I was hoping to eventually see Chyre and Morillo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 18, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Just watching 2.2 right now. They name-checked Fred Chyre as a former partner of Joe's who is deceased. That stinks! I was hoping to eventually see Chyre and Morillo.

Chyre was the dude killed in the pilot
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 20, 2015, 10:19:57 PM
Still don't care about Mrs West. And thermite is not an explosive.

Snart was awesome as always.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2015, 02:07:35 PM
And thermite is not an explosive.

Yeah lets complain about that in an episode where Cold froze some lasers.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 21, 2015, 02:58:09 PM
A lot of this episode was groanz to me. Freezing lasers. It's like, okay your fantastic superscience, fine. But when you combine to real life physics things and then say ... like, temperature freezes a concentrated light beam I ... never mind. Just ...

The West / Iris thing was actually the standout for me.

I didn't hate the ep it's just ... doofy? I know this sounds like the worst thing you can say about a show where the main character jogs real hard. But yeah. Doofy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
http://imgur.com/a/nET5z
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 21, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
And thermite is not an explosive.

Yeah lets complain about that in an episode where Cold froze some lasers.

Completely fair. That was so awful, I just sort of blocked it out.

Also, did Thawne go back in time in every reality and take over the body of Harrison Wells? Wasn't it a random encounter on Earth 1? Maybe not. Whatever. Cavanaugh  is awesome, so I'm cool with it.

http://imgur.com/a/nET5z

Pretty much spot on. The construction bit was a little puzzling to me. If he was still super fast or some shit, maybe Jay could have built that. Maybe they had the stuff to build his wormhole stabilizer thingy just sitting around?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 21, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Id be more disappointed if stuff like this didn't already happen in the comics.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 21, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
also

just thought

second crime dude with beard who said Cold was only there because of Cold's gun

When did Michael Ironside-Snart put a bomb in his head
did he roofie him at one point
sneak into his house at night
get him real drunk
"Hey, dude, I dare you to let me put a bomb in your head"
"YOU'RE ON"

also I just remembered "I'm bringing the heat" and "He broke my sister's heart"

...
yeah the writing wasn't this episode's strong point was it
...
...
...
Iris and her dad talking about her druggie mom was good though.

I like Daddy West.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 21, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
So far this season has been a poor compared to last.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

well... ok then.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 21, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
It's less about the ability to freeze light and more about the ability to shatter that light and then not have the light beams immediately reappear. There was a bit of gobbledygook about the "system needing to defrost" or somesuch, but it was still silly. Also, if the cold gun is that cold, Barry is dead instantly.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 21, 2015, 05:24:18 PM
http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

well... ok then.
...
Well, I guess science shut me up.

I guess I'll do the rational thing.
Take in the new information and adjust my world view, as opposed to the standard narrative paradigm
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
It's less about the ability to freeze light and more about the ability to shatter that light and then not have the light beams immediately reappear. There was a bit of gobbledygook about the "system needing to defrost" or somesuch, but it was still silly. Also, if the cold gun is that cold, Barry is dead instantly.

Yeah it was silly but I guess not as silly as I originally thought.

http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

well... ok then.
...
Well, I guess science shut me up.

I guess I'll do the rational thing.
Take in the new information and adjust my world view, as opposed to the standard narrative paradigm

NO you must get angry and scream about Jews and paper universes and Skype dance offs or something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on October 21, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
Hey i get it.

I tend to find things like discussing Barry's ID in the police station worse than the light beams, though. Doesnt mean i dont agree it was silly...

This is also true. I liked the little mock up that Neo posted where they're discussing it in the coffee shop.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 22, 2015, 07:08:09 AM
The interactions between Golden Glider and Sisco were solid. The Joe and Iris scene was good too. The actual "stop the bad guy" stuff was fairly lame.

Especially when you know that Daddy Cold needs to press a trigger to detonate the head bomb. No mention of any back up. Cold or Flash could have taken him out at any time.

Anyway, Wells as the bad guy is a huge red herring. My guesses as to who Zoom is:

1) An alternate reality Thrawn who kept his original appearance.

2) He's Jay (who is a Flash gone bad and pretending to be de-powered).

3) He's the alternate reality Barry Allen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 22, 2015, 08:47:00 AM
4) He's Walter West
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MTL76 on October 22, 2015, 09:07:00 AM
I've only seen the first season up to the introduction of Captain Cold, but somehow it's not surprising he is teaming up with the Flash crew.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 23, 2015, 03:51:45 PM
The interactions between Golden Glider and Sisco were solid. The Joe and Iris scene was good too. The actual "stop the bad guy" stuff was fairly lame.

Especially when you know that Daddy Cold needs to press a trigger to detonate the head bomb. No mention of any back up. Cold or Flash could have taken him out at any time.

Anyway, Wells as the bad guy is a huge red herring. My guesses as to who Zoom is:

1) An alternate reality Thrawn who kept his original appearance.

2) He's Jay (who is a Flash gone bad and pretending to be de-powered).

3) He's the alternate reality Barry Allen.
Thrawn? Did your autocorrect autocorrect you into Star Wars?

Anyway he might be Thawne-what-who-shot-himself-to-kill-Reverse-Flash-disguised-as-wells-Thawne
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on October 23, 2015, 04:29:51 PM
Nah, Eddies in Quantico now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 23, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Didn't know that. Ah well.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 24, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
http://tvline.com/2015/10/23/the-flash-killer-frost-new-photo-season-2-spoilers/

God Damn
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 24, 2015, 03:05:29 PM
http://tvline.com/2015/10/23/the-flash-killer-frost-new-photo-season-2-spoilers/

God Damn
Yeah she's hot 10/10 times. I was hoping she'd show up on Grimm again.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 24, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
Yeah but she's like a 20/10 all made up like that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 24, 2015, 03:20:17 PM
Yeah but she's like a 20/10 all made up like that.
What? You're talking about something else.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 24, 2015, 03:24:21 PM
Oh I thought you were saying she was a 10.... but she's also hot 20/10 times when dressed up like that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 27, 2015, 08:57:39 PM
Shark King future apperance? Overall meh episode. Villian firestorm effects kind of sucked.

Still not interested in the iris mom subplot 

Attack the block!!!!!!!

Zoom is probably Daniel West

(http://images.tfaw.com/covers_tfaw/200/JU/JUL138027D.jpg)

edit: oh shit King Shark actually appeared
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 27, 2015, 09:14:01 PM
So Wally's going to be Iris' brother? I guess that works.

And King Shark is ALL!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 27, 2015, 09:21:33 PM
So Wally's going to be Iris' brother? I guess that works.

And King Shark is ALL!

Daniel West is Iris' brother as per the new 52

If it does turn out to be him, my guess is Zoom wants Barry dead so bad as he has the family he never had; which is actually his in reality. Barry became Iris's "brother" and Joe's son when it should have been him. Just a hunch
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 28, 2015, 08:32:20 AM
So Wally's going to be Iris' brother? I guess that works.

And King Shark is ALL!

I didn't think they would go there but they did and I approve.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 28, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
Haven't watched this ep yet, but did Barry and his team murder another villain?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
I think they just knock the guy out but they don't really follow up on it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 28, 2015, 09:00:33 AM
Daniel West is Iris' brother as per the new 52

Yes I know, but Wally has already been confirmed for this season and Iris's brother wasn't born that long after her so he can't have a teenage son. Unless he had Wally when he was about 3 years old. So they likely changed things for the show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 28, 2015, 09:26:12 AM
True. He is set to appear but I assumed he would travel to a different earth and see him. As Jessie quick is going to appear too. Guess we shall see
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2015, 01:57:05 PM
How good did King Shark look though? I want a Grodd King Shark team up stat.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MTL76 on October 28, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Does Team Flash have any legal authority to lock away superpowered beings in their own private dungeon?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 28, 2015, 02:23:16 PM
Does Team Flash have any legal authority to lock away superpowered beings in their own private dungeon?

Flash IS THE LAW!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 28, 2015, 02:24:40 PM
Nope but that's never stopped them. It made sense last season since there were no jails capable of holding metas but now Iron Heights can so it's just them doing what they want.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2015, 04:30:11 PM
Showrunners already confirmed in an interview that the brother Iris discovered is indeed Wally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 28, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
Welp there you go then.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on October 28, 2015, 05:02:09 PM
HE'S A SHARK HE'S A SHARK HE'S A SHARK he's not in the next episode is he damnit
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2015, 05:43:36 PM
I really really want a Grodd King Shark cheesy scy-fy channel movie episode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on October 28, 2015, 11:56:48 PM
King Shark did look surprisingly good. Unfortunately, as soon as I saw him the 'Street Sharks' theme started playing in my head. Damn childhood memory for cartoons.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on October 29, 2015, 08:42:44 AM
I really really want a Grodd King Shark cheesy scy-fy channel movie episode.

It's so obvious!

MAN-SHARK VS GORILLA BRAIN! SyFy Original Special!

I am also on-board with King Shark; he looked pretty B.A.

And Wally is confirmed as Iris' brother, eh? That's doable. Means he won't be that much younger than Barry/Iris. But I REALLY hope he's not Zoom. Wally deserves better.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 03, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
Wait so Barry is already faster then Jay? and earlier they said he could run lightspeed? That will be a consistency issue

Not a fan of earth 2 Dr.Light, and Jay is becoming a bit of a bitch

Female detective is so smoke show

I like dick Earth 2 Wells, and the 1950's style of Earth 2......Aquaman reference!!!!!!

Guess Earth 1 Kaitlyn isn't a meta, Killer Frost has to come from a different earth

Kendra Sanders? Hawkgirl appears. Zoom is very likely Wally

point forms over
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on November 03, 2015, 09:27:01 PM
Jay can't cleanly beat Wells? Dammit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 03, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
Like I said. Jays a bit of a bitch now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 03, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
Odd how he was so reluctant to trust Jay but has no problem with Harrison like everyone else.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 03, 2015, 11:15:29 PM
Well Harrison was a father figure. Imagine if you had a shit dad then found out a possibly good version is running around?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on November 04, 2015, 12:26:06 AM
I do not like what they're doing with Jay either. I wonder if it's something other than what it seems.

Kaitlyn isn't meta yet, but she doesn't have to get her powers from the dark matter explosion. They could come later. But yeah, likely Killer Frost will just be a double. However, if she was, I would think Jay or maybe Wells would have said something. I realize there are 50 other Earths, but they're only focusing on Earth 2 so far. For KF to come from Earths 3-52 would be an odd choice. Then again, there's a lot of season left. Maybe Zoom will decide no one on E2 can handle Barry.

There was that bit about Zoom knowing who Barry's girlfriend was. Any ideas on why that would be?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 04, 2015, 09:36:47 AM
There was that bit about Zoom knowing who Barry's girlfriend was. Any ideas on why that would be?

To fuck with him or maybe I'm not understanding your question.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 04, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
I do not like what they're doing with Jay either. I wonder if it's something other than what it seems.

Kaitlyn isn't meta yet, but she doesn't have to get her powers from the dark matter explosion. They could come later. But yeah, likely Killer Frost will just be a double. However, if she was, I would think Jay or maybe Wells would have said something. I realize there are 50 other Earths, but they're only focusing on Earth 2 so far. For KF to come from Earths 3-52 would be an odd choice. Then again, there's a lot of season left. Maybe Zoom will decide no one on E2 can handle Barry.

There was that bit about Zoom knowing who Barry's girlfriend was. Any ideas on why that would be?

I would love to see an Earth-3 with some evil/good inversions.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 04, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Lol, they made Garrick a bit more. 

Not the Old man flash I know. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on November 04, 2015, 04:44:56 PM
There was that bit about Zoom knowing who Barry's girlfriend was. Any ideas on why that would be?

To fuck with him or maybe I'm not understanding your question.

Sorry, I didn't word that well. When Barry and Co realized Zoom had to know about his prior relationship with Linda, Barry asked how that would be possible. He got cut off and the conversation moved in a different direction, but it seemed like a hint of some sort. How could Zoom have known about Linda and Barry when that was something that happened before the breach? The reason it's important is that it indicates that Zoom knows Barry is the Flash, it could point to Zoom's identity, and it shows that Zoom has some source of knowledge on Earth 1 that we don't konw about yet. It's not like Linda and Barry's relationship was a matter of public record. It wasn't very long and only a few people knew about it.  Maybe Barry from Earth 2 was also dating Linda from Earth 2, so Zoom just kind of guessed the same would occur on Earth 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 04, 2015, 04:47:06 PM
My favorite parts of last night's episode were how Joe IMMEDIATELY tries to shoot Wells and Iris IMMEDIATELY tries to shoot Dr Light in the face.

Those West's don't play the radio!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on November 06, 2015, 03:06:54 AM
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/FLA206A-0346b-9e4da.jpg)

I could be wrong, but it looks like Zoom is at least being played by a white guy, which would mean he's not Wally. Then again, he could just be very light-skinned and the contrast of the make-up around the eyes is making the visible skin look more white than it really is. Tony Todd (Candyman and the "You know how this shit works" guy from The Rock) is doing the voice, but that doesn't really mean anything.

Also, they could have a white actor in the suit atm but another actor will play him when the mask comes off.

source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/new-flash-photos-show-zooms-costume-in-painful-detail (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/new-flash-photos-show-zooms-costume-in-painful-detail)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on November 06, 2015, 09:58:35 AM
IMO, the best reveal would be for Zoom to be Barry of Earth-2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 06, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
The best reveal would be for Zoom to be Earth-2 Henry Allen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 06, 2015, 11:03:59 AM
Thats what I would go with.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 06, 2015, 01:12:27 PM
It would also explain why Barry's is not around in the main universe. If he's present on screen, the audience might catch (quicker) that they look basically the same in head/body shape. Keep Earth 1 dad off screen to make the evil Earth 2 dad reveal more effective.

Evil Barry would be cool too because it would call Barry to question himself. Not just "can I get more powerful/faster" but "SHOULD I reach for those levels of power".
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 06, 2015, 01:28:49 PM
I would like it to be Henry.  But Master Tolkien's ideal or making Barry question himself make that a more interesting option.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 06, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
The "should I get more powerful" trope is the type of heroic angst CW seems to like so it's probably that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on November 06, 2015, 05:05:04 PM
I haaaaaaaaaaaate Zoom's outfit, but it's probably to hide his identity without pulling the same Reverse Flash shit

Also this ep was a bit eh, for me in regards to Dr. Light, but the show's still been fun
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 06, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
I would prefer there to be no Barry of Earth 2. I'm hoping Zoom is Hunter Zolomon.

Wells continues to be the most interesting character (For the 2nd time, considering he isn't Thawne) in this show. I'm guessing Wells is either the Trojan horse (In that he isn't meta) sent to kill Barry by befriending him, or he's the Captain Ahab character, who's more interested in simply killing Zoom for the sake of it, for the glory and vindication of it, than he is interested in saving anyone. I'd prefer the latter.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 06, 2015, 10:32:45 PM
I'm not a fan of Jay getting crapped on either, both in being slower than Barry (I want to say the two were generally peers, classically) and not being as good of a hero. But I could also see it potentially making sense as this Jay has only been at the game two years longer than Barry, and classic Jay never had a Zoom type figure to worry about. Or this could be the more recent Jay with the classic Jay's outfit, so who knows?

Also, watches that can detect metahumans would make life hell for superheroes trying to keep a secret identity.

And damn, how is it the Dr. Wells that was an evil supervillain wearing another man's corpse is less of an asshole than the Earth 2 Dr. Wells?

And nice Aquaman/Hawkgirl teasers.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 07, 2015, 01:24:07 AM
Well, he didn't Kill Barry's mom, for one.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on November 07, 2015, 01:43:52 AM
Well, he didn't Kill Barry's mom, for one.

Oh Reverse Flash Wells was definitely more evil, at least as far as we know so far. He just managed to interact with people in a way that made him come off as less of a complete asshole, though a lot of that was a facade to fool others. Still, it might actually be interesting if we've got kind of the reverse situation here. RF Wells was a horrible person pretending to be a good man. This Wells might actually be a good man but who is intentionally coming off as abrasive due to circumstances.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 07, 2015, 01:45:02 AM
Didn't Jay have fight someone named Adversary that was basically his reverse flash.  Also I remember them saying that Jay was suppose to be Barry's mentor something someone doing it 1 year longer I can't buy
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 07, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
Didn't Jay have fight someone named Adversary that was basically his reverse flash.  Also I remember them saying that Jay was suppose to be Barry's mentor something someone doing it 1 year longer I can't buy

Pretty much, and yeah his name was Rival (Edward Clariss)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/Rival_Clariss.png)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 07, 2015, 02:15:51 PM
I'm hoping it's The Rival. He was always pretty creepy and he even stole Max Mercury's body and disappeared. We never saw him again, as far as I recall (because of all the DC universe reboots).
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 07, 2015, 04:59:37 PM
Well, he didn't Kill Barry's mom, for one.

Oh Reverse Flash Wells was definitely more evil, at least as far as we know so far. He just managed to interact with people in a way that made him come off as less of a complete asshole, though a lot of that was a facade to fool others. Still, it might actually be interesting if we've got kind of the reverse situation here. RF Wells was a horrible person pretending to be a good man. This Wells might actually be a good man but who is intentionally coming off as abrasive due to circumstances.

I dig that about him. He's now the crazed, crusading-promethian archetype.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 10, 2015, 08:50:21 PM
So Wells's daughter is Jesse Quick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Saitou Hajime on November 10, 2015, 09:48:20 PM
Shit, that was worse than the ass whupping Barry got from Reverse Flash in season 1. The Knightfall-style victory lap was extra sweet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 10, 2015, 09:54:23 PM
I really thought he was going to unmask him in front of the reporters.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Saitou Hajime on November 10, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
So Jay was right to be scared of this guy. Although in Wells' defense, he was just desperate.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on November 11, 2015, 01:35:00 AM
Zoom is no fucking joke. But like Saitou said, that victory lap he took with a beat to shit Barry was pretty sick. Looking forward to seeing this storyline continue.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on November 11, 2015, 12:28:55 PM
So far, this season has a lot less charm than the prior one. Zoom comes off as a shitty cheap attempt to be scary. And he had to visit all of their sets to show off how scary he was.

Though I would enjoy it tremendously if, for the rest of the season, Barry is the Fastest Cripple Alive, fighting crime in a wheelchair. Earth-2 Wells could sit in the only room they have in Star Labs and go "roll, Barry, roll!" and Barry would be learning new rollin' tricks each week. The solution to all problems would just be rolling faster.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on November 11, 2015, 02:31:38 PM
Wells should tell him to "Roll out" in his best Optimus Prime voice.  Perhaps playing "You've Got The Touch" for inspiration.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on November 11, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
So who are the most prominent Zoom suspects?

1) Earth-2 Barry. He knew all the places to parade Barry around for maximum effect, but he didn't bother to unmask him until he got to the people who already knew him.

2) Earth-1 or Earth-2 Wally West. I hope not. But he would have a reason to hate Barry for taking his place in Iris' family. Zoom didn't seem particularly interested in BARRY, though. Just hates Flash for being another speedster. This would just be a lame waste of Wally as "Well, he's the name of another speedster, so here's a role for him".

3) Earth-1 Eddie Thawne. I have seen a TON of speculation on this. No one seems to be sure on Rick Costnet's availability for the role, though.

4) Earth-2 Henry Allen. I've seen this postulated a lot, but I don't buy it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 11, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Must be Jay since he never seems to be the fuck around.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 12, 2015, 02:39:08 AM
I love this season so far. Zoom came across as a much less personal villain than Thawne. For him, Barry was just another speedster to collect - But then his reaction to Barry's resistance, parading him in front of his (Barry's) loved ones, was chilling. Zoom now takes it personal because Barry insulted him fighting back, a very Sinestro/Bane/Vegeta-esque response.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 13, 2015, 07:07:52 AM
Here's a burning question about Jay. Where is his Earth-1 double?

Atom Smasher killed his Earth-1 double. Sandman-guy we at least saw the double (even though Sandman-guy never had the chance to kill him). Dr. Light tried to kill her double before escaping. So here's Earth-2 Jay. Hanging around Earth-1 in secret for a while and watching Barry. No one ever questions where his double is. No one ever talks about it. When Barry mentions wanting to confront Zoom, Jay disappears.

I do not think Jay is secretly Zoom, but I think Jay of Earth-2 is hiding from Zoom. And maybe murdered his Earth-1 double. Evidence against my theory: Jay seemed like he wanted to go back to Earth-2 when they stabilized the portal at Star Labs. But it certainly took VERY little to convince him to stay. Eh, we shall see.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on November 13, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Here's a burning question about Jay. Where is his Earth-1 double?

Atom Smasher killed his Earth-1 double. Sandman-guy we at least saw the double (even though Sandman-guy never had the chance to kill him). Dr. Light tried to kill her double before escaping. So here's Earth-2 Jay. Hanging around Earth-1 in secret for a while and watching Barry. No one ever questions where his double is. No one ever talks about it. When Barry mentions wanting to confront Zoom, Jay disappears.

I do not think Jay is secretly Zoom, but I think Jay of Earth-2 is hiding from Zoom. And maybe murdered his Earth-1 double. Evidence against my theory: Jay seemed like he wanted to go back to Earth-2 when they stabilized the portal at Star Labs. But it certainly took VERY little to convince him to stay. Eh, we shall see.

It's embarrassing that I hadn't thought of that. But yeah... what IS the deal with his double? You'd think, if nothing else, Cisco or Jay himself would be curious.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on November 13, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
My first thought is that it's E-2 Cisco, but I started leaning towards it being Henry Allen, due to the father-figure/mentor angle that's a running theme in the show. He's the right age to have been a colleague of Wells, or at least have known him somehow. He (Zoom) also seems "bigger" than Barry, lending to the difference in size between Henry and Barry.

Zoom being Jay seems dumb, given that he could have killed Barry at basically any point without revealing himself. Using other metas to get the job done also seems a waste of time since he (Zoom) clearly can do it fine on his own. Unless of course, the other metas were just a test of Barry's abilities and skill before he (Zoom) zeroes in for the kill. Jay helping Barry learn how to throw lightning to get past Sand would make him the worst prep-time villain ever, since Sand was sent to kill Barry in the first place.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 13, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/3so0w4/s2_spoilers_the_mystery_of_jesse_chamberss_mother/
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 13, 2015, 07:04:08 PM
Yeah, it's Earth-2 Henry Allen. Which is awesome.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 13, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
My first thought is that it's E-2 Cisco,

You know, that's the first time I've heard that theory. That would be kinda' awesome. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. But it would lead credence to Wells disliking Cisco from the get go.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on November 17, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
OSHIT Vandal Savage!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 17, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
Excellent episode

Savage? I must have missed that reference.

Hawk girl looked actually pretty good too

Gorilla City!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 17, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
Savage was in the preview.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 17, 2015, 10:15:26 PM
For the next episode? What the? my channel didn't have a preview. Curses! Curses I tell you!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 18, 2015, 04:53:42 AM
He grew too.

Happy for Cisco.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 18, 2015, 07:14:23 AM
To bad the Cisco's relationship won't be lasting long since Kendra will be moving to a different show to start banging a dude that even Cisco thinks is an angel.


Sidenote: I can't wait for Grodd to come back with his Gorilla army.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 18, 2015, 08:02:21 AM
So Jay just up and disappeared huh? Just like Zoom.  Zoom is Jay's Tyler Durden.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 01, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
Good episode. Lots happened.

Well from tonight's episode Barry is "little over mach 2" and Zoom is "at least 3-4x faster" as stated by Wells. Yet earlier they said Jay was lightspeed. Consistency again. That doesn't make much sense

Jay's speed was temporarily back with the Velocity 6 drug....and he's gone.

Hawkman was handled well. CGI Hawkgirl at times was wonky and I guess no nth metal.

Vandal Savage was decent

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 01, 2015, 09:27:46 PM
Cisco accidentally blurting Barry's name was funny. Hawkman looks like a poor man's John Krazinski.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 01, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
Cool episode.

Hawkgirl is ridiculously fine!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 02, 2015, 02:13:54 AM
The guy playing Savage is appropriately hammy.

Killer Shark being MIA is still funny for me.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 02, 2015, 04:44:14 AM
Flash is a bad influence on Arrow.  Now he's revealing his identity to anyone.  And Flash and Arrow need to upgrade there security.  Flash we know has a problem with it but how the fuck does Malcolm and his whole league army just show up at HQ and know one realizes it till he says something.  Him just popping up out of the shadows was ridiculous .
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on December 02, 2015, 04:55:58 AM
There it is again. Mach 2. And Zoom is 3-4 times faster than that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 02, 2015, 07:12:06 AM
Flash is a bad influence on Arrow.  Now he's revealing his identity to anyone.  And Flash and Arrow need to upgrade there security.  Flash we know has a problem with it but how the fuck does Malcolm and his whole league army just show up at HQ and know one realizes it till he says something.  Him just popping up out of the shadows was ridiculous .

The Starlabs security is literally the worst in existence to the point that the show even mocks itself. Can they not just have people knock or ring a bell to be buzzed in? And show bad guys having to actually work to get through defenses?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 02, 2015, 08:32:54 AM
Cool episode.

Hawkgirl is ridiculously fine!

She's got a big mouth but in a good way. Like that cooking show chick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 02, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
Cool episode.

Hawkgirl is ridiculously fine!

She's got a big mouth but in a good way. Like that cooking show chick.

Yeah she does lol but what got me was her in those jeans. Dem hips and thighs...whew!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 02, 2015, 08:16:44 PM
Flash is a bad influence on Arrow.  Now he's revealing his identity to anyone.  And Flash and Arrow need to upgrade there security.  Flash we know has a problem with it but how the fuck does Malcolm and his whole league army just show up at HQ and know one realizes it till he says something.  Him just popping up out of the shadows was ridiculous .
Flash is a bad influence on Arrow? If anything I feel any Flash that rubs off on it's parent show is a good thing. Arrow's last season was massive hype-drama piece that bored with it's whining. So much contrived social drama it made me forget it was a comic show. Flash has always been fun, whether the goings on are practical or not.

I do hate Jay's, "Woe is me...", attitude these few episodes. He chose to stay here with Katelyn and help Barry defeat Zoom; he's done neither.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 02, 2015, 08:33:54 PM
Flash time travels once again and outran basically a nuke going off destroying the city and its out skirts before anyone else can react. Mach 2 my ass

Also that hawkgirl cleavage. Kaw kaw. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 02, 2015, 09:35:15 PM
Flash is a bad influence on Arrow? If anything I feel any Flash that rubs off on it's parent show is a good thing. Arrow's last season was massive hype-drama piece that bored with it's whining. So much contrived social drama it made me forget it was a comic show. Flash has always been fun, whether the goings on are practical or not.

I was talking about his not really caring about protecting his secret identity not the show in general.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 03, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
Anyway, this episode was pretty decent. Starlabs continues to have shit security. I mean, Wells got fucking shot because whateverhernameis waltzes right in and runs into a guy who looked like a crazy killer.

Apparently anyone can just walk in off the street and steal their shit or learns Flash's secret ID or murder them. ANYONE.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on December 03, 2015, 10:22:27 AM
Anyway, this episode was pretty decent. Starlabs continues to have shit security. I mean, Wells got fucking shot because whateverhernameis waltzes right in and runs into a guy who looked like a crazy killer.

Apparently anyone can just walk in off the street and steal their shit or learns Flash's secret ID or murder them. ANYONE.

It does have terrible security. But it's a massive public building whose total staff amounts to about two-and-a-half people and most people probably keep away because it kinda blew up.

To me, the one thing that really did stand out in terms of terrible security was Arrow's SECRET HIDEOUT. Where Exposition Guy and his ninja thugs entered twice without being noticed or setting off any alarms. Flash guy's delivery of the line about that being the only way he knew how to enter a room was good, though.

And it did make me want an awkward comics scene where Superman or MM catches Batman disabling some security systems as he's about to sneak in on a JLA meeting, and they're like "what are you doing, the door is over there" and he's like "shut up, bat-forget about it."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 10:35:48 AM
I'm pretty sure Merlyn has been there before so I don't it's a big deal he ninja'd his way in.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 10:38:39 AM
I could be wrong though on him being there before. I still think Patty waltzing into Star Labs is a bigger deal than Merlyn getting into the arrow base. I mean a lock on the door would have stopped her.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 03, 2015, 10:57:39 AM
There it is again. Mach 2. And Zoom is 3-4 times faster than that.
Yeah, I couldn't believe that shit. He's gone faster than they're claiming Zoom is within the past couple of episodes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 11:25:13 AM
He's gone speeds of fast but zoom has fasted 3-4 times faster. Barry needs to speed faster if he's expect to out fast zooms speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 03:32:51 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/mystery-meta-human-menaces-central-city-in-flash-set-pics

Any idea? I feel like I know the costume but I can't pin point it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 03, 2015, 03:36:04 PM
He time traveled again in the Arrow episode and somehow escaping a black hole or traveling through time only requires Mach 2.

Getting from one side of a city to the other, zigzagging around a bunch of city blocks and changing clothes also only takes Mach 2 or less.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 03, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
If Zoom is so much faster than Barry, shouldn't he also be able to time travel?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 03:40:33 PM
I think its less about his speed and more about Barry's connection to the speed force on the show. Like he can travel in time at a slower speed because he's more connected. Thats just me trying to work out the logic of it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 03, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
I think its less about his speed and more about Barry's connection to the speed force on the show. Like he can travel in time at a slower speed because he's more connected. Thats just me trying to work out the logic of it.

That's a good explanation but I don't think the show has thought of that, yet. Right now, it appears as if mach 2 is all that's necessary to achieve time travel. None of the super-scientists seemed amazed that he did it at such a low speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 03, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
I could be wrong though on him being there before. I still think Patty waltzing into Star Labs is a bigger deal than Merlyn getting into the arrow base. I mean a lock on the door would have stopped her.

Exactly. Aside from random cops stumbling upon their secrets, there are people who have active grudges with Starlabs. Putting an alarm sensor on a LOCKED door would eliminate part of the problem. Cisco can build a COLD GUN from scraps... yet they don't have any sort of defense.

From a story perspective, it's lazy writing from the creators that allows to have just anyone show up when needed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 03, 2015, 04:16:53 PM
As for time travel, R-F Wells indicated that speed played a factor in it when talking to Barry (who was on the treadmill trying to figure out why he couldn't do it again). When Barry did it under his own power, it seemed like he was reaching higher speeds (as Caitlin said were needed to create a counter to the tsunami last season).

I haven't seen the Arrow ep yet, so if he did it yet again, cool.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 03, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
Aside from Merlyn being alive and Speedy being a chick who's Scandal or not Scandal Savage, anything I need to know about Arrow before I watch the second part of the crossover?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 03, 2015, 05:18:40 PM
Felicity and Ollie are a couple. Diggle is finally wearing a (shitty) mask. Laurel is Black Canary. Ollie has a bastard kid. This episode really doesn't do much in furthering the Arrow plots unlock the Flash episode and the Jay/Wells/Caitlin stuff.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 03, 2015, 06:41:20 PM
Flash time travels once again and outran basically a nuke going off destroying the city and its out skirts before anyone else can react. Mach 2 my ass

Also that hawkgirl cleavage. Kaw kaw.

He time traveled again in the Arrow episode and somehow escaping a black hole or traveling through time only requires Mach 2.

Getting from one side of a city to the other, zigzagging around a bunch of city blocks and changing clothes also only takes Mach 2 or less.

Copier.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 03, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
I liked the Actor's portrayal of Vandal Savage - Unhinged. I did have trouble buying him as a credible threat to Barry, especially when Barry just went back in time and averted the death of everyone. Because, couldn't he just, do it again?

Anyway, the Green Arrow/Flash dialogue dynamic was sharp.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 04, 2015, 10:16:40 PM
Well, Barry has now saved TWO cities through time travel. Millions of lives saved.

Barry: Oh no! Time travel bad because Barry no get to kiss adopted sister! Cisco saved by time travel, but Barry want kiss sister! Millions saved but Barry no have romance with adopted sister! NEVER DO AGAIN!!!!

Ollie: Barry, an entire city would have been nuked by magic. What could be worse than that?

Barry: Maybe you and Felicity break up again! Worser than before!

Ollie: Okay, but at least we and millions of others will still be al-

Barry: BARRY NO GET KISS IRIS! BAH-EE WANT SISTER LOVE!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 05, 2015, 12:18:38 AM
Yeah, I was thinking they really need to show the downside to time travel because, so far, I'm not seeing the issue.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 05, 2015, 03:41:28 AM
Well they did show the huge domino effect last time with how drastically different things went with him catching the weather wizard earlier.  But yeah the other outcome both times would lead to more people dying.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 05, 2015, 09:10:36 AM
We have at least established that millions of people dying is enough motivation for Barry to reach time travel speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 05, 2015, 09:16:12 AM
And that Oliver doesn't give a shit about potential time travel consequences. "Cisco, do something different with these shitty gloves. And go talk to Kendra about her fucking wings! Get a hair cut too. Barry! Tell me more shit I can change!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 05, 2015, 02:06:03 PM
Well I'm glad in the arrow episode they did mention nth metal

Also a crazy speed feat for Barry other then the time travel one....he traveled from the outskirts of town and stole the meteorite from the museum and returned back to the farmhouse in like 2 seconds. That's far faster then Mach 2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Big Daddy Longstroke on December 05, 2015, 02:19:28 PM
Let me get this straight.  Jay says that he can run at just under the speed of light and goes on to say Barry is faster.  Then Barry's top speed was stated to be mach 2.  Then Barry pulls off these insane speed feats that speed required of mach 2 would be needed to be able to pull them off.

This shit is wack.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 05, 2015, 03:09:22 PM
Speed of light on Earth 1 must be around mach 3.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2015, 08:02:46 AM
That goes back to my comment in the other thread. The fact they can't keep it straight is some dumb writing. Its not hard to be consistent. Right now there is more fun writing than dumb writing but the fans should bring up the stupid stuff in hopes that the writers start tweaking it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dutchman on December 06, 2015, 05:18:56 PM
I think it's because Barry can't control his upper most limit yet. I hope. Kinda.

...
Yeah it's a bit dumb. But it's less dumb than him standing in place and getting hit by a laser blast.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 06, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
When dealing with speedster u have to accept a little stupidity.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 07, 2015, 09:24:09 AM
To an extent yes but its not hard to stay consistent on how fast everyone currently is. Even DBZ managed to be relatively consistent with the pecking order.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Pillow Biter on December 08, 2015, 11:00:58 AM
Let me get this straight.  Jay says that he can run at just under the speed of light and goes on to say Barry is faster.  Then Barry's top speed was stated to be mach 2.  Then Barry pulls off these insane speed feats that speed required of mach 2 would be needed to be able to pull them off.

This shit is wack.

Agreed, Hard.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JookDukem on December 08, 2015, 11:10:20 AM
Wouldn't it be super doper if Zoom looked cool?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 08, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Good episode, cool to see Barry and Weather Wizard fly.

Wally West appears

Zoom’s motivation is finally revealed. Not shocking in the least, but makes sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 08, 2015, 09:14:24 PM
Wish the plot wasn't so identical to season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 08, 2015, 10:07:40 PM
Yeah very true

Cisco is soon becoming Flash's greatest enemy. He is responsible for Heat Wave, Captain Cold, Weather Wizard's wand, was Reverse Flash's minion for years, caused the rift between Fake Wells and Pied Piper causing him to go rogue, was tricked letting Doctor Light free
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 09, 2015, 01:48:38 AM
Zoom continues to be a hoss.

The effects keep getting better - Flash running across the city looked spectacular.

I like having the option of another speedster into'd in Wally (Especially with all the time hi-jinks), but I'm tired of the Iris-drama.

Detective West's moment with Barry at the end, was powerful - Following that up with Barry completing a character arc, very, very good!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 09, 2015, 09:07:29 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ESwYASk5--/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/f52ccckr32ybcuu4ldux.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Pillow Biter on December 09, 2015, 09:18:28 PM
The crossover was horrid, with awful dialogue, and hackneyed attempts to insert scenes just to show everyone's gee-wiz powers all the time.
Agents of SHIELD is so much better in every way. Look at how they subtly found ways to use the powers of their three superhumans on the latest mission.
And yeah, on a TV show, you really need to have a bit more consistency about super speed. Mach 2 running speed does not mean you can vibrate through things or create tornadoes with your arms. It certainly is not light-speed or time traveling speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 19, 2016, 08:06:26 PM
"What about the white shadow?" That seemed borderline racist
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 19, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
Yeah it was. I also don't know why he would show up in the last ep and now he doesn't want to be part of the family.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 19, 2016, 09:00:51 PM
Last minute of flash episodes are always good. Reverse Flash is back....original form
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 19, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
Yeah it was. I also don't know why he would show up in the last ep and now he doesn't want to be part of the family.

yeah that was odd would have made more sense if they found him that he acted like that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 19, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
Apparently only reason why he even came to the city was to race his cars and make money for his mom treatments as they wouldn't race him anymore in Keystone.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 19, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
He could do that without contacting a detective.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 19, 2016, 11:02:05 PM
Yeah, maybe just did it if his mom tries to check in on him to see if he did go see Joe.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 21, 2016, 07:29:28 AM
The Turtle stuff was fun. The Wally stuff was dumb. R-F literally should have said, "Gideon, how the FUCK am I back on this show?"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 22, 2016, 07:53:26 AM
After last episode I thought Wally was going to just be a kid looking for a family with no real angst which would have been refreshing but... nope.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 22, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
Yeah, the Wally angst is so forced. "Hey, I came and sought you guys out after decades of my mom INTENTIONALLY hiding me from you. Now that I'm here, let me start off by agreeing to tour where you work, then dissing you in front of your boss, then doing illegal street racing, then tell you to stay out of my life, and then stop by to hope you will give me free dinner."

Who the fuck is doing the writing for this character? It is a team effort? They should all be ashamed.

I am also wondering when anyone is going to confront Patty about the fact that she entered Star Labs uninvited and tried to shoot a man to death. And when will Patty question why Star Labs has a Harrison Well clone?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 22, 2016, 01:08:55 PM
Well everyone just walks into Star Labs with it's non existent security .  And well Wells is a known murderer.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 22, 2016, 01:48:17 PM
Yeah, but Patty walks in... guns him down... and is the shoed away by Joe. For all she knows, she killed a man who looks like a murderer. A famous murderer. How does that never come up again?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on January 22, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
The writing on the show can be pretty bad at times. I guess they're relying on special effects to distract from the writing. Wally's character was pretty nonsensical. If you're mad at Joe why did you go to his house? I would like to think the mom didn't tell him Joe walked out on him. If she did, you'd think she would've cleared that up with her son before she goes on her own personal redemption journey. Patty has a fat ass and I will miss her on the show but what the fuck man. Everyone in two cities knows your identity but you hesitate to tell the woman you invited to a stake out with a super villain, putting her life at further risk by being an asshole.  I would also like them to do something with Jay. He doesn't come off as well as Harrison to be a regular on the show.  Oh and can they please get ADT or something? Some form of a security system even if it's tin cans on a string.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on January 23, 2016, 01:35:05 AM
So, Wally West lives his life, a quarter mile a a time.
(http://i0.wp.com/www.kevmcdev.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/quartermile-at-a-time.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 24, 2016, 07:31:31 AM
The show still has a lot of good qualities, but the writers manufacture drama in the laziest way at times. There is already enough drama in this light-hearted show. Focus on Zoom. His kidnapping of Wells-2's daughter. Jay's fear of Zoom. Barry's fear. Focus on the other villains that show up.

We do not need Patty gunning down Wells-2 randomly and then never discussing it again. We don't need Wally doing the exact same stupid thing to Patty that he did with Iris all last season. We don't need Wally acting non-sensical to create angst with Joe. Or Wally taking Patty straight into danger even though he (allegedly) never shares his ID because that put her directly in danger.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 24, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Barry can't go telling every girl he dates his Secret id that a bad ideal.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 24, 2016, 03:53:41 PM
Barry can't go telling every girl he dates his Secret id that a bad ideal.

I'd buy that more if (1) he wasn't pining over Patty so much and (2) if over 20 people didn't already know his secret ID.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on January 24, 2016, 10:12:09 PM
Barry quick to fall for people though
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 25, 2016, 08:44:35 AM
Barry can't go telling every girl he dates his Secret id that a bad ideal.

I'd buy that more if (1) he wasn't pining over Patty so much and (2) if over 20 people didn't already know his secret ID.

Especially the big villains. Zoom and RF already know who Barry is. The whole "I can't tell you because it puts you in danger" logic doesn't work if the villain already knows. The only reason not to tell her would be if he didn't trust her and he seemed to trust her just fine.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 25, 2016, 08:56:15 AM
And then Cold knows his ID too. And Grodd maybe too?

For fuck's sake, he might as well go public now that I think about it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 26, 2016, 08:04:34 PM
oh what the hell. STOP DOING THAT TO YOUR VILLIANS!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 26, 2016, 08:57:35 PM
Hunter Zolomon? Awwwwww shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 26, 2016, 08:59:37 PM
Guess Zoom isn't Earth 2 Barry after all.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 26, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
Good episode. Lots happened. Makes sense how Thawne is back.

Hunter Zolomon appears in a WTF way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 26, 2016, 09:45:25 PM
I didn't like that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 26, 2016, 10:22:10 PM
It's a set-up.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on January 27, 2016, 01:51:16 AM
So should we throw earth 1 Jay name in as the possible identity of Zoom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on January 27, 2016, 03:10:43 AM
I'm betting that's a mis-direct though. Barry's a dope for letting Patty go.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 27, 2016, 10:16:27 AM
I actually was disappointed how easily Flash beat Reverse-Flash
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 27, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
I'm betting that's a mis-direct though. Barry's a dope for letting Patty go.

Possibly but it felt like a set-up for something more.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on January 27, 2016, 02:53:20 PM
Jay is probably earth 2 hunter zolomon and took the mantle of the flash to keep up public appearances or something similar. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 28, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
I actually was disappointed how easily Flash beat Reverse-Flash

Bear in mind... this is Barry with a full year of training under a more experienced Thawn fighting a less experienced Thawn. Flash and R-F are rivals for a reason.

Anyway, I wonder if R-F will come help Barry against Zoom later. Can't let Barry die young or TIME PARADOX.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 28, 2016, 10:11:27 PM
I realized that Flash and RF are a bit like the Doctor and River in that they meet in reverse chronological order.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 29, 2016, 02:34:32 AM
I'm thinking Cisco should be beaten with hot branding irons and taught the STFU game. 
I thought Barry would be the one to blow it due to his issues with Reverse-Flash. 
But, naw let's leave it to blabber mouth Cisco.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on January 29, 2016, 06:41:51 AM
So anyway, the ID of Zoom. If it was an Earth-2 Henry Allen, Zoom would fit into the general focus on dad's this season. Patty and revenge for her murdered dad. Joe and estranged Wally. Harrison and his kidnapped daughter. And on Earth-2, Ollie's dad is the Arrow.

Zoom being an Earth-2 Henry seems like a good fit.

It is possible that Jay will die this season... and that Hunter Zolomon is sought out by Starlabs (or Caitlin who then brings him to Starlabs)... and then Hunter later turns from friend to for as a new Zoom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2016, 08:11:02 PM
How the hell does TARPIT merit an episode before Mirror Master?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
As for Zoom predictions? I'm going to go a little off the board here and say it's Earth-2 Wally West. On Earth-2, Wally was raised with Joe and Iris, and he basically had Barry's upbringing... all the way to forensics job. So he was in Barry's place at the time of the explosion and became Zoom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 02, 2016, 08:27:50 PM
Oh come on!!!! Stop with the mach 2 garbage.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Big Daddy Longstroke on February 02, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Would Barry be able to pull of these feats at only mach 2 speed?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 02, 2016, 11:57:45 PM
Still pushing Mach 2? So various military jets can travel through time in DCTVU? Or stop black holes?

Also, lightning must be slow as fuck on Barry's Earth.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 03, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
To be fair they weren't measuring Barry when he stabilized the portal were they?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 03, 2016, 02:30:24 AM
They specifically said he was going faster the first time he time traveled.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 03, 2016, 02:31:31 AM
How the hell does TARPIT merit an episode before Mirror Master?

I think there gonna hold Mirror Master for season 3.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 03, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
Well I'm glad they didn't kill the villian this time, but maybe next episode. Way to ruin your rogue list
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 03, 2016, 02:55:20 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-flash-and-supergirl-crossover-is-happening-people-1756890879
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 03, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-flash-and-supergirl-crossover-is-happening-people-1756890879

*shrug* Don't watch Supergirl. Don't watch Arrow, either, but that hasn't hurt me.

I dig the establishing of a joined universe, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on February 03, 2016, 10:21:33 PM
Think they will be alternate earths
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 03, 2016, 10:43:05 PM
I hope not. I'd be okay with The TV-Verse being an alternate of the film verse though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on February 03, 2016, 11:09:51 PM
It has to be an alternate earth since flash was the first time the world saw meta humans unless time have changed
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 09, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
The team is very forgiving. Oh you killed turtle? We good *handshake*

Cool when they crossed they showed 90s Flash and supergirl though. Should have had more Easter eggs
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 10, 2016, 06:46:31 PM
Possibly an alternate green arrow (hawke?), a legion ring, barry's bowtie...I think there were plenty.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 10, 2016, 07:38:16 PM
yeah I think it Connor from legends of tomorrow. I meant Easter eggs in the wormhole (bowtie was cool) Didn't see the legion ring so need to rewatch it again just for that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 10, 2016, 07:48:14 PM
It was the last image on the right side, I believe.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 10, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/flash-easter-egg-teases-major-justice-league-members


Ummm...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 10, 2016, 09:51:18 PM
How the hell does TARPIT merit an episode before Mirror Master?
I cannot WAIT until they do Mirror Master. But maybe they will set him up as a Big Bad for a subsequent season? How many times can another speedster be the overarching Cillian of a season before it gets played out?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 10, 2016, 09:56:53 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/flash-easter-egg-teases-major-justice-league-members


Ummm...

Yeah I saw that, I was again talking about the "flashes" of other worlds in the wormhole. The entire episode had lots of easter eggs

Loved the futuristic retro look of Earth 2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 12, 2016, 06:03:17 AM
Yeah the episode was pretty good. I really liked Evil Cisco and glad he showed Good Cisco his other ability. You know he's going to be constantly trying it out when they get home.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2016, 06:55:18 AM
Overall very fun episode, but Barry was a real asshole. The mission was to search for Wells' daughter... but Barry legit abandons the mission to play husband with Iris-2.

And because Zoom's henchmen were hunting breachers, Barry's 100% leisure time with Iris-2 led to Joe-2 being killed. And his further prompting to have Cisco help catch Zoom's henchmen led to Deadshot-2 being killed.

And because he left Barry-2 locked up somewhere during the hospital visit, he deprived Barry-2 a chance to be with his wife during a very difficult family loss. Or maybe even a chance for Barry-2 and Joe-2 to reconcile things a bit while Joe-2 is dying.

To a degree, the show seems to be glossing over morals and focusing on action this season. The Star Labs squad has killed a whole bunch of villains this season... little effort to trap or arrest anyone. Wells legit murdered Turtle to further his own goals... which last season was something you'd only see R-F doing. But there seem to be no ramifications for this sudden switch in the characters. Star Labs seems to now be fine with killing villains during fights, and Turtle's cold-blooded murder is forgiven right away. And then this episode of Barry being super selfish and getting people killed.

The fun and dialogue outweigh these issues for now. But I hope this isn't a downward spiral for the writers. Flash isn't supposed to a jerk and killer.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 12, 2016, 06:55:56 AM
Evil Cisco is totally still alive, right? He doesn't get to pull the "Our power makes us a GOD" bit, just to shoot some generic waves. I figure he synched his body to Zoom's vibrations and survived to return later.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2016, 07:01:43 AM
He seemed pretty damn dead. Which was a shame. Crazy and evil Cisco talking to normal Cisco? I could watch an entire season of that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 12, 2016, 07:08:23 AM
Overall very fun episode, but Barry was a real asshole. The mission was to search for Wells' daughter... but Barry legit abandons the mission to play husband with Iris-2.

I don't think we can really blame Barry for this one. I mean, who wouldn't take advantage of that situation?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on February 12, 2016, 11:44:56 AM
Overall very fun episode, but Barry was a real asshole. The mission was to search for Wells' daughter... but Barry legit abandons the mission to play husband with Iris-2.

And because Zoom's henchmen were hunting breachers, Barry's 100% leisure time with Iris-2 led to Joe-2 being killed. And his further prompting to have Cisco help catch Zoom's henchmen led to Deadshot-2 being killed.

And because he left Barry-2 locked up somewhere during the hospital visit, he deprived Barry-2 a chance to be with his wife during a very difficult family loss. Or maybe even a chance for Barry-2 and Joe-2 to reconcile things a bit while Joe-2 is dying.

To a degree, the show seems to be glossing over morals and focusing on action this season. The Star Labs squad has killed a whole bunch of villains this season... little effort to trap or arrest anyone. Wells legit murdered Turtle to further his own goals... which last season was something you'd only see R-F doing. But there seem to be no ramifications for this sudden switch in the characters. Star Labs seems to now be fine with killing villains during fights, and Turtle's cold-blooded murder is forgiven right away. And then this episode of Barry being super selfish and getting people killed.

The fun and dialogue outweigh these issues for now. But I hope this isn't a downward spiral for the writers. Flash isn't supposed to a jerk and killer.

I hear you, the CW can't hit a good balance with this.  On Arrow it is over the top the other way with cartoonish extremes against killing, to the point they put innocents at risk to save murderous villains, and then on Flash they gloss over killing and abusive actions like they're nothing.  If I had to pick one, I'd go with Flash's ambivalence simply because I'm so sick of hearing about morality issues on Arrow from the characters, but an actual well-written middle-ground would be nice.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 12, 2016, 11:58:56 AM
It's standing out this season for me because last season on Flash had a lot of morality talk (done well). Joe and Barry's dad would discuss the right thing to do. Barry and Ollie disagreed over brutal tactics and using torture. R-F was always willing to kill as a means to an end, whereas Barry never seemed willing to kill.

But this season, the good guys seem fine with killing all of the sudden. I realize the bad guys are dangerous, but they have cells that can hold people with powers. And Joe mentioned the city prison being upgraded to the same.

Yet the only 3 people locked up this season have been Turtle (because they needed his power), Jay (when they thought he might be evil), and R-F. Compare that to last season where everyone got locked up minus the first Weather Wizard (who Joe shot) and the mimic guy (who Joe Shot). I think one or two more died, but not by any intentional act from Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on February 12, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
Well I assume Barry meant to kill that sand guy he shattered into pieces. I'm not exactly sure of Barry's idea in the first place. It seemed highly unlikely to work and you think Iris would know that's not really her husband considering how odd he was acting especially with his feelings for Joe. Cisco and Wells continue to steal the show for me.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 13, 2016, 02:43:45 AM
Tom Cavanagh should get an Emmy for his performances in this show; the guy owns every scene he is in.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 13, 2016, 05:02:30 PM
We might see zooms face next episode

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Flash-Zoom-Removes-His-Mask-Intense-Trailer-117937.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Flash-Zoom-Removes-His-Mask-Intense-Trailer-117937.html)

King shark returns. Woot
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Big Daddy Longstroke on February 13, 2016, 10:14:15 PM
Maybe I missed this but when they went to Earth 2 and in the portal you can see a guy pointing a gun, who is that?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 13, 2016, 11:11:04 PM
Jon Hex
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Big Daddy Longstroke on February 14, 2016, 11:03:37 AM
The dude shown in the portal didn't have a revolver, which is what I suspect Jonah Hex would be using.

Unless I am recalling wrong.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 14, 2016, 11:12:11 AM
Apparently it's Jonah. You can faintly see the scars

(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/dZu3DQrkQp4YyL3gZWylvQ--/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz02NDQ-/http://pm1.narvii.com/6005/11ca17b66115cfc007ca157d713cae788903f144_hq.jpg.cf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 14, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
They showed the Flash from the old tv show.  Supergirl from the CBS show which the flash is doing a crossover with. Jon Hex. And a Legion ring.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 14, 2016, 12:09:57 PM
Not sure how I missed the ring. Didn't even see it the first time I watched it

(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/JS0cWZfc0V51DQ7TvOwPJg--/aD0yNzk7cT05NTt3PTUwMDtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/comicbook_com_128/8872d823c5ff6b37d16dd2cfdd21052d)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Big Daddy Longstroke on February 14, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
There was also Grodd iirc. and another bow wielding dude.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 14, 2016, 12:26:02 PM
Yep, grodd was there. I believe it was Connor hawke too
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 14, 2016, 12:36:51 PM
Yeah Connor Hawke. Most of that was actually teasing Legends of Tomorrow stuff. Jonah, The Legion, and Connor are all going to appear on that show. Supergirl is the only one that is directly related to The Flash and thats because he's appearing on her show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 14, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
We might see zooms face next episode

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Flash-Zoom-Removes-His-Mask-Intense-Trailer-117937.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Flash-Zoom-Removes-His-Mask-Intense-Trailer-117937.html)

King shark returns. Woot

It'll be Earth-2 Henry Allen. And then Barry will be like, "How am I supposed to fight my dad?"

Then the real Henry Allen will show up and say, "I'M YOUR REAL DAD, you fucking idiot!"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 15, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Not a full crossover. Grant will be on Supergirl but not the other way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 15, 2016, 12:29:06 PM
Not a full crossover. Grant will be on Supergirl but not the other way.

CBS refused to subject its audience to tuning in to the CW.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 16, 2016, 09:00:55 PM
Jay evacuates an entire building in seconds and contains a breach which is basically a wormhole.....yet he is slower then mach 2? Also how on earth is he going to survive that?

I wonder who the man in the iron mask is? He seemed upset hearing about Jay.

King shark is next episode!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 16, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
Here's my theory, Man in the Iron Mask is Earth 1 Henry Allen. Zoom is Hunter Zolomon, which is why MitIM singed "Jay."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 16, 2016, 09:55:53 PM
Did Henry meet Jay though? Can't recall
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 16, 2016, 10:04:04 PM
I want to say they were in an episode together but can't recall if they were in the same scenes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 16, 2016, 10:10:12 PM
Your theory is totally possible I'm just drawing a blank if they met or not
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on February 16, 2016, 11:40:49 PM
I half-watch this show, but I figured the guy in the mask was upset hearing about "Jay" because he is the real Jay.  The guy claiming to be Jay Garrick all season is earth 2 Hunter Zolomon, hence why his earth 1 doppelganger was Hunter.  I'd guess he fabricated his past to Caitlin in order to get the Velocity compound perfected. 

If true, Zolomon doesn't necessarily have to be the current Zoom (though he could be given the swerves we saw with RF and Wells appearing together last season), just working the Jay angle for his own purposes or to usurp Zoom with Velocity compound-related shenanigans.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 16, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
I'm starting to wonder if we have a Sentry/Void scenario.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 17, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
I half-watch this show, but I figured the guy in the mask was upset hearing about "Jay" because he is the real Jay.  The guy claiming to be Jay Garrick all season is earth 2 Hunter Zolomon, hence why his earth 1 doppelganger was Hunter.  I'd guess he fabricated his past to Caitlin in order to get the Velocity compound perfected. 

If true, Zolomon doesn't necessarily have to be the current Zoom (though he could be given the swerves we saw with RF and Wells appearing together last season), just working the Jay angle for his own purposes or to usurp Zoom with Velocity compound-related shenanigans.

The only problem there is that Wells acknowledges Jay as Jay. Unless you're saying Earth 2 Zolomon had plastic surgery to look like Jay Garrick? But that seems a bit convoluted, especially for the CW and this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 17, 2016, 06:38:39 AM
I'm starting to wonder if we have a Sentry/Void scenario.

Could be that Jay taking the velocity serum so much created some dark doppelganger / split, but I'm still wondering whether "earth 2" Jay garrick is just earth 2 hunter zolomon playing nice in public so he can gain trusted allies and use them to gather intelligence and put himself into more strategic positions. Plastic surgery wouldn't be necessary if he's been pretending to be a nonexistent Jay garrick the entire time. They wouldn't know any better.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 17, 2016, 07:14:03 AM
If Jay Garrick doesn't actually exist then why change his name? He could've simply gone by Zolomon.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 17, 2016, 08:49:03 AM
I had a really problem with Zoom scouring the city looking for Well and writing bring me Wells on the side of a building.  You would think the first place you check is the place he spend the most time his office.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 17, 2016, 10:12:00 AM
I think zoom just likes enjoying messing with people and putting fear in them. That's what I took from that
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There should be no way jay survives that injury. His velocity 9 ran out was basically just a regular human getting impaled through the chest. Guess we shall see
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 17, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
If the MitIM is real Jay, then Zoom knows the dude pretending to be Jay is a fake.

Is the fake working for Zoom? If so, he's been working for Zoom since BEFORE the breach. Which sounds convoluted as shit. Why would Zoom allow someone to masquerade as a rival to him? And this rival was using a shitty serum that made their cells degenerate? To what end does this serve Zoom in anyway?

I mean, Zoom wouldn't know about the breach so far in advance to set Zolomon as a fake Jay for a YEAR, would be? There must be a simpler explanation that I'm over looking here.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 17, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
Maybe zoom isn't even from Earth 2 and there are a ton of "jays" floating around. After all, Zoom has underlings specifically dedicated to hunting "breachers" so maybe they've dealt with other earths.

Am I remembering barry's parents both being alive and well in earth 2? Via phone call, but that should be enough to take Henry as zoom off the table, yes?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 17, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
Barry talked to Mom-2 who was going on vacation with Henry-2.

Zoom is not always around, suggesting he has a secret ID. He is fast enough to be wherever he needs.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 17, 2016, 10:07:35 PM
I got the vibe something happened to his dad. He mentions that she always wanted to go to Atlantis with his dad by then she tries to give the trip back. Made me think maybe she didn't want to go now because Henry was gone.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 17, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
At this point I'm just glad they are doing a much better job of disguising his identity than they did with RF. Even when RF was beating wells up it barely detracted from thr idea and Eddie was really the only other choice. Zoom could be alternate Barry, henry, wally, jay/zolomon, some dark speed force personification, and who knows who else. other than the zolomon teaser and the masked man tapping jay on his cage, they've been pretty scarce with leads or hints.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 18, 2016, 12:16:02 AM
Looking forward to King Shark.  Surprised they decided to use him as a Flash Villian though.  He'd fit better in Arrow. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on February 18, 2016, 03:57:52 PM
Seriously, instead of trying to track down the villains on Earth-1, Flash and crew should just hang out at Star Labs until the villain walks in.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on February 18, 2016, 05:07:43 PM
Kinda surprised they just sealed the breaches and left Zoom behind. So they left Earth-2 to Zoom's machinations? Without its Flash or even its Harrison Wells? Seems like they are just sacrificing it to save themselves.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 18, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
Seriously, instead of trying to track down the villains on Earth-1, Flash and crew should just hang out at Star Labs until the villain walks in.

Yeah, Geomancer walking into the lab got a hearty laugh from my wife and I. But the show creators recognize the lack of security... it's practically a running gag now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 18, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
It'd be cool at this point for them to make the new Zoom (considering he already looks nothing like any other speedster from the comics) a new character.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 20, 2016, 08:32:24 AM
Rewatched last episode I think he was saying he's Jay Garrick.  When Barry say "Jay like Jay Garrick" the guy in the mask starts shaking his head yes.  But as so as Barry mentions he's on the other earth he gets upset shaking his head no.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 20, 2016, 09:21:52 AM
That's the general consensus of the scene around the Internet as far as I can tell. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 20, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
It was more apparent to me the second time around
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 20, 2016, 09:29:14 AM
I'm wondering if we are actually dealing with two different bad guys here. Maybe Jay is actually Edward Clariss and the real Jay is behind the metal mask and Zoom. Maybe Edward kidnapped Jay and took over his life just before Zoom showed up. Then Zoom found out what Edward did and took the real Jay from him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 20, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
yeah the how's and why of the situation
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 20, 2016, 12:37:39 PM
Another idea. What if the man in the iron mask is Thawne? We know because of the last season that Thawne knew who Jay was. This could be Thawne from earlier in his timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 20, 2016, 03:49:02 PM
The guy in the mask did seem to have some light brown (maybe blonde hair) on the back of his head sticking out from the mask.

No clue why it would be Thawne. And Thawne of Earth 1 or 2?

But honestly, why the fuck does Zoom have this person in a metal mask? And they must be a speedster, since Zoom had them in a cage like Barry (opposed to Jesse who was behind regular bars). I just hope the reveal makes sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 20, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Earth 1 Thawne. The one that took over Harrison's life. I'm thinking that after his appearance this season he somehow ended up at an earlier point in Earth 2 and was trapped by Jay and/or Zoom. Thats why he got worried when the helmet came through the breach.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 21, 2016, 01:55:41 PM
Thawe or Jay from another point in time, since it's linear, or at least doesn't immediately change from altercations.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 23, 2016, 09:01:14 PM
King shark looked amazing. Good effects for tv

Also zoom revealed. So who is the man in the iron mask?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 23, 2016, 09:30:52 PM
Jay.  Some of us said Hunter Zolomon was Zoom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 23, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
I'm sticking with my Henry Allen theory.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 23, 2016, 09:52:03 PM
Actually judging by Zoom's reaction im wondering if they are all the same person from different points in the timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 23, 2016, 10:02:28 PM
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING? Is Zoom Hunter Zolomon 1, "Jay" was Hunter Zolomon 2, and Man in the Mask is real Jay 2?

Then where the fuck is real Jay 1?

Or did Zoom pull a R-F and steal someone's face?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 23, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
Little plot-hole with the episode is why didn't they just get the gun Wells used on King Shark that took him out originally?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 23, 2016, 11:56:39 PM
Little plot-hole with the episode is why didn't they just get the gun Wells used on King Shark that took him out originally?

Makes to much sense.  WB can't use commonsensical.






Spoiler


  Glad to see it was a bit of a crossover though.


Thought it was kind of cool to see King Shark on the screen.   
Also thought it was cheesy that he could electrify the water as a result of the speed force.
Can anyone ever recall the speed force being used in that manner?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 24, 2016, 01:47:17 AM
Little plot-hole with the episode is why didn't they just get the gun Wells used on King Shark that took him out originally?

I was watching the episode the whole time wondering that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on February 24, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
Be cool if it was the same Jay. Earth 2 Jay is Zoom, just from a future point in time. Something turns him evil that is yet to come, so he goes back in time to either consolidate power or seek premeditate-tive revenge?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 25, 2016, 11:06:46 PM
Anyone else extremely annoyed at wally existing? I feel like the arrow writers sneak in while the flash writers are taking a lunch break and just screw stuff up by forcing unnecessary drama into a show that's usually good at avoiding that. His scenes are painful to watch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on February 25, 2016, 11:32:33 PM
Yeah, Wally sucks and it definitely feels like they force him into scenes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 26, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
I thought you were going to HELP ME, not DO IT YOURSELF.  HOW DARE YOU GET ADOPTED AFTER YOUR MOM DIED YOU PIECE OF SHIT THIS IS MY FAMILY jk we are cool now I guess until next week when I decide to cause drama with Cisco or someone for no reason. I like speed. Like a lot. Speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 26, 2016, 06:12:28 PM
Yeah, he's fucking awful. This show is really shitting all over Wally's character left, right, and center.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: The Flyattractor on February 26, 2016, 07:35:39 PM
See.  SEE!  I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THIS WASN'T I!?

CUNT FAGGOTRY!!!!!!

TO THE EXTREME!


I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 26, 2016, 08:28:51 PM
Wally used to be my favorite character in comics, literally. Then DC raked him over the coals to bring back Barry. Then Wally's depiction here and in the new 52 it just isn't Wally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 27, 2016, 11:15:58 AM
To be honest, this show's young Barry is already Wally-like. So then you bring in Wally... make him Barry's black step-brother... and an illegal street racer... and strangely assholish to his dad Joe... yeah. Character ruined.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 27, 2016, 11:19:11 AM
I actually like the actor playing Wally, too. I have faith though because Iris was annoying last season but she's turned around.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 28, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1)

Some of the info we already know, but didn't see it posted
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 28, 2016, 12:45:58 PM
http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1)

Some of the info we already know, but didn't see it posted

This makes no sense unless time travel is involved. And then they're just rehashing the fuck outta season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 28, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/366275-the-flash-executive-producer-talks-zoom-reveal#/slide/1)

Some of the info we already know, but didn't see it posted

This makes no sense unless time travel is involved. And then they're just rehashing the fuck outta season 1.
With access to all those alternate realities, you think time travel is the only explanation?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 28, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
I think he's saying that Zoom is Earth 1 Hunter Zolomon but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 28, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
Concession Accepted.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 28, 2016, 01:21:58 PM
but I didn't concede. I was taking your side... what just happened? *gets out of wheel chair and walks out on Xer*
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 28, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
I just ran Neo off the boards forever.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 28, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
He's little, so his top speed is the average walking speed of an average Wal-mart customer.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 28, 2016, 07:08:10 PM
Bullshit. I'm much faster than those fat people carts.
Title: WHHHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTT!?
Post by: Master on February 28, 2016, 07:27:58 PM
The exec producer said that the guy who originally introduced himself as Jay is Zoom. The guy they locked up. The guy they learned to trust. The guy who Caitlin fell in love with.

So then who the fuck was the "Jay" that Zoom killed? The "Jay" that has clearly not been Zoom for several episodes because Zoom has been on Earth-2 while "Jay" was clearly on Earth-1. Does Zoom-Jay have a twin that pretends to be "Jay" while Zoom is busy? If not a twin, another Earth version of himself?

Here's the best that I can figure without time travel: Zoom is Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon. He captured Earth-2 Jay a while back and then ran around impersonating a hero because WHO GIVES A SHIT. When the breaches opened, Zoom then found Earth-1 Hunter and turned him to his bidding. Sometimes we see Zoom as "Jay". Other times we see Earth-1 Hunter as "Jay".

Everyone in Star Labs is a fucking idiot because they never catch on to the fact that two completely different people are pretending to be the same guy. Caitlin should be particularly ashamed because she says she loves Jay... but she can't fucking tell when the guy she loves is replaced by a guy who just looks like him. I don't know why dead Earth-1 Hunter poses a "complication" for Zoom.


Here's the best that I can figure with time travel: Jay/Hunter of Earth-2 turns evil in the future. He travels back in time to gain even more speed and dick everyone over. The Jay we have seen was always the good Jay... his evil future Zoom-self just killed his past self. Maybe the use of Velocity-6 through 9 becomes a speed addiction. Zoom's addiction leads to evil, and now the only "fix" left is to steal Barry's speed. Killing your past self would certainly be a "complication".

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 28, 2016, 08:27:48 PM
The "best you can figure out WITHOUT time travel" uses time travel?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 28, 2016, 08:47:40 PM
Edited. The second one was supposed to be "with" time travel. Granted, I'm all fucking confused.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 28, 2016, 09:03:52 PM
Edited. The second one was supposed to be "with" time travel. Granted, I'm all fucking confused.
Holy shit. The star of The Flash is Grant Gustin.

CONFIRMED: Abra Kadabra is the one locked up.
Title: Re: WHHHHHHHHAAAAATTTTTT!?
Post by: Not BAMF on March 06, 2016, 07:56:35 AM
The exec producer said that the guy who originally introduced himself as Jay is Zoom. The guy they locked up. The guy they learned to trust. The guy who Caitlin fell in love with.

So then who the fuck was the "Jay" that Zoom killed? The "Jay" that has clearly not been Zoom for several episodes because Zoom has been on Earth-2 while "Jay" was clearly on Earth-1. Does Zoom-Jay have a twin that pretends to be "Jay" while Zoom is busy? If not a twin, another Earth version of himself?

Here's the best that I can figure without time travel: Zoom is Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon. He captured Earth-2 Jay a while back and then ran around impersonating a hero because WHO GIVES A SHIT. When the breaches opened, Zoom then found Earth-1 Hunter and turned him to his bidding. Sometimes we see Zoom as "Jay". Other times we see Earth-1 Hunter as "Jay".

Everyone in Star Labs is a fucking idiot because they never catch on to the fact that two completely different people are pretending to be the same guy. Caitlin should be particularly ashamed because she says she loves Jay... but she can't fucking tell when the guy she loves is replaced by a guy who just looks like him. I don't know why dead Earth-1 Hunter poses a "complication" for Zoom.

  • Evidence for: This is a season about alternate realities and alternate selves. Zoom likes to make alternates work for him. Why not grab his own alternate?
  • Evidence against: There has never been one inkling of a clue that "Jay" has been different from time to time. Are Zoom and Earth-1 just balls out amazing actors? Does Zoom spend hours each night telling Hunter-1 how his days went with Caitlin, so that Caitlin never catches on that she is now talking to a different dude? No scene has suggested that "Jay" is acting differently or odd. And who the fuck is locked up in a cage with a mask? Real Jay? If real Jay, why the mask? If real Jay is a different person, he should not look like Zoom/Hunter.

Here's the best that I can figure with time travel: Jay/Hunter of Earth-2 turns evil in the future. He travels back in time to gain even more speed and dick everyone over. The Jay we have seen was always the good Jay... his evil future Zoom-self just killed his past self. Maybe the use of Velocity-6 through 9 becomes a speed addiction. Zoom's addiction leads to evil, and now the only "fix" left is to steal Barry's speed. Killing your past self would certainly be a "complication".

  • Evidence for: This lazy "time traveling evil speedster from the future" rehash of season 1 seems like the simplest explanation... to a degree. It explains easily how Jay and Zoom can be at odds and in different places at the same time (even different universes at the same time).
  • Evidence against: Zoom just killed Jay. That should erase Zoom from the timeline unless "speed force cocoon" some how saved Zoom just like it saved Thawne from Eddie dying. Also, who the fuck is the guy in the mask? Why a mask? Who the fuck is under that mask!?

Safado, quit posting under other peoples' names.

But I agree with the rest of what you said before my attention waned. How does Jay having always been Zoom make sense? I'm hoping that the EP is just swerving everyone there. Jay at StarLabs was clearly not where Zoom was when Zoom was there.

Your time travel solution is the much better option there, but Zoom killing his past self seems... not logical (not on your end; on the show's). I was just thinking that Zoom is our first character from Earth-3. He already achieved whatever his endgame is on his world, then moved to Earth-e. He feels he has that well in hand, so he's starting to get into Earth-1.

No fucking clue where that leaves Iron Face Guy, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on March 20, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
So, if Barry ties or beats Supergirl in the race, does that mean she's slower than Mach 2?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 20, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
Hahahaha, COMICS.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 21, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Mach 1 veteran Superman confirmed!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Omg he reached mach 3.3  :-\
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on March 23, 2016, 12:35:48 AM
So, if Barry ties or beats Supergirl in the race, does that mean she's slower than Mach 2?

Super gimps.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 23, 2016, 08:53:30 AM
Omg he reached mach 3.3  :-\

WOW! If he could stabilize a black hole at Mach 2, he can probably stop one at Mach 3.3.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on March 24, 2016, 12:16:05 AM
Means he could make superman explode just by running circles around him. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 24, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
Haha Mach 3.3?  Shut the front door

Also did he forget he has shown to fly rotating his arms?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 24, 2016, 06:45:18 PM
Apparently at Mach 2, you can vibrate through solid matter... so at Mach 3.3, Barry can no doubt enter the astral plane and talk to ghosts.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 24, 2016, 07:40:18 PM
And lightning moves at mach 1.36 or whatever in this show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 24, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Mach 4 must be like cartoon physics. Barry at Mach 4 could have a bomb go off in his face, look all sooty, and then shake himself off to get back to normal.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 24, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
Anyway, caught the latest ep. Not bad, but nothing great either. Other than young R-F, are there any speedsters Barry can beat? Zoom, older R-F, and Trajectory all kick his ass.

The show's intro monologue should say, "And I'm the second or third fastest person running around this city. Maybe."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 29, 2016, 08:55:25 PM
Love this show but Barry a fucking moron
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 29, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
Summery of tonights episode.

(http://i.imgur.com/c4Km6FR.png)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 29, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
Crazy filler episode. The time travel rules in this show are all over the fucking place BTW.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on March 29, 2016, 10:36:29 PM
Yeah that why I try not to think much about anything having to do with timetravel.  You can spend hours finding the flaws in it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 29, 2016, 10:45:19 PM
True, but they don't even try for consistency. Just do it the same way each time.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 29, 2016, 10:54:44 PM
Crazy filler episode. The time travel rules in this show are all over the fucking place BTW.

Well it did turn Hartley good. I'm sure tha will be important.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 29, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
For all the time travel warnings, every trip back makes things better. EVERY trip. Ollie realized how awesome this was instantly and was ready to abuse the fuck out of it. And it still worked out great! The only thing time travel has ruined: Barry's chances of banging Iris.

And really, it is only delaying things. I just wish the time travel rules remained consistent.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on March 29, 2016, 11:07:07 PM
And Wells 2 is like a mouth piece for the Internet message board fans.

Barry: It was weird going back and talking to evil Wells 

Wells 2: What the fuck? I'm Wells! That guy wasn't ever really Wells! Are you fucking stupid?

Barry: Right, right. It's like that time I went to Earth 2 where Iris and I were married.

Wells 2: No, no, no! Those were completely different people. That was in no way your Iris or a version of you from this Earth. You have no attachment to them in any way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 29, 2016, 11:23:46 PM
Do hope we see flash backs of previous episodes now with piper in it

But yea going back in time he save millions, stop the main villanes when he did
Now he reformed a villan

it basicly ALWAYS works
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on March 30, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Was hoping Zoom would have followed Barry back in time to capture Thawne's speed.

Great episode that didn't directly deal with Jay/Zoloman. Also pretty sure something like those time wraiths are in Dr. Who.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 30, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
I thought it was the Black Racer at first
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 30, 2016, 09:48:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EYYJgUV.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/4cjnga/time_wraiths_face_is_intresting/

Quote
*puts on tin foil hat
Speedsters that fuck with the timeline and erase themselves become Time Wraiths.
They get stuck in the time stream and wait until another version of themself time travels and then piggy backs onto that version. From there, they exist only to drain the life out of the living version of themself.
It would explain why it could keep up with Barry, why it looks like Barry, and why it was waiting in the time stream when Barry was trying to go back in time.

Interesting theory on what the Time Wraith is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 30, 2016, 09:57:45 PM
I thought it was the Black Racer at first
The Black Flash existed before the current version of The Black Racer.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 30, 2016, 09:58:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EYYJgUV.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/4cjnga/time_wraiths_face_is_intresting/

Quote
*puts on tin foil hat
Speedsters that fuck with the timeline and erase themselves become Time Wraiths.
They get stuck in the time stream and wait until another version of themself time travels and then piggy backs onto that version. From there, they exist only to drain the life out of the living version of themself.
It would explain why it could keep up with Barry, why it looks like Barry, and why it was waiting in the time stream when Barry was trying to go back in time.

Interesting theory on what the Time Wraith is.
I thought it was Trajectory at first.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 30, 2016, 10:01:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EYYJgUV.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/4cjnga/time_wraiths_face_is_intresting/

Quote
*puts on tin foil hat
Speedsters that fuck with the timeline and erase themselves become Time Wraiths.
They get stuck in the time stream and wait until another version of themself time travels and then piggy backs onto that version. From there, they exist only to drain the life out of the living version of themself.
It would explain why it could keep up with Barry, why it looks like Barry, and why it was waiting in the time stream when Barry was trying to go back in time.

Interesting theory on what the Time Wraith is.

I would bet anything the writers weren't thinking of this but wouldn't be surprised if they stole the idea later on.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 31, 2016, 06:29:19 AM
I thought it was the Black Racer at first
The Black Flash existed before the current version of The Black Racer.

I meant to type black flash, but yeah I know
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on April 02, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
Agreed. Even with all its inconsistencies and typical CW drama, the mix of fan service and pure fun factor makes this one of the very few shows I'll actually try to keep up with.
Compare that to Arrow, which I used to really enjoy but am now two episodes behind with and it feels like a chore thinking about catching up just because of the Felicity drama and such. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: mob parker on April 10, 2016, 09:10:27 PM
They should do a filler episode of Cisco trying to master his powers like his doppelganger.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on April 10, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
That be cool. Kind of upset evil cisco got killed so quickly. Wanted him to pop up again
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 19, 2016, 08:46:37 PM
I'm surprised they glossed over the Supergirl crossover. Cool to see how he did it

Barry is mach.... 8 now? I guess. I don't like how he needs to have tech to boost his speed.

Did they change the voice actor for zoom? Seemed different. Also what a dumb ass plan to trap him.

So there never was a Jay Garrick on Earth 1 or Earth 2. Odd. So Zoom isn't fast enough to make a speed after image, but fast enough to time travel?....oh lawd
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 19, 2016, 09:34:41 PM
he can but they needed to account for him being on both earths at the same time.  Also I don't understand why they bothered to even go to earth 2.  He was gonna die without Barry's speed keeping them separated would have ended the threat eventually.  They should have came up with a better reason for reopeining the breach.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on April 19, 2016, 09:51:53 PM
He still can kill flashes from other earth's or other speedsters
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 19, 2016, 09:57:42 PM
Didn't seem like he could travel without reverb. As he needed vibe to open the portal to get back to earth 1.....but then takes Wally to earth 2 somehow
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 19, 2016, 10:12:22 PM
Zoom getting a doppelganger from another timeline seems to easy and arm wavy. I hope it was a lie.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Liam on April 19, 2016, 10:40:02 PM

Did they change the voice actor for zoom? Seemed different. Also what a dumb ass plan to trap him.


I think they had the Candyman guy do the voice originally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 19, 2016, 11:41:01 PM
Well that was stupid all the way around.

As altoon said, there was no reason really to go back to Earth 2 to stop Zoom. Going back for the Man in the Iron Mask would've made more sense.

How did Zoom get Wally back to Earth 2? How'd he even know about Wally to begin with?

When "Jay" showed his doppelganger, who was actually Zoom, to Caitlin why reveal his true identity? How would he know she wouldn't tell the others or Wells? That could've ruined everything for him. Lucky Team Flash is full of idiots.

Speaking of which, why did Barry give up his speed again? Wally was safe and he was faster than Zoom so why give in to his demands?

Why did Barry turn into a supervillan and monologue, giving the actual villain time to escape? And how did Zoom escape anyways? He caught Barry off guard, true, but he was still a bit slower so shouldn't have had that much of a head start.

Yeah like I said, stupid all around.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 19, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
I also noticed they went out of their way to not say how fast Barry was going. Good. Hopefully they've heard that particular criticism and are attempting to fix it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 20, 2016, 01:34:44 AM
Giving up his speed made sense because Zoom would have just start killing and kidnapping other folks.  They need a better plan to make sure they could hold him though.  Also I think Zoom gave a reason why he told Caitlin his real identity I wasn't paying close enough attention to know if it made sense though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 20, 2016, 06:45:34 AM
Giving up his speed made sense because Zoom would have just start killing and kidnapping other folks.  They need a better plan to make sure they could hold him though.  Also I think Zoom gave a reason why he told Caitlin his real identity I wasn't paying close enough attention to know if it made sense though.

Barry's now faster than Zoom, who was just standing there, chilling. Why not super speed in and KO him?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 20, 2016, 08:17:13 AM

Did they change the voice actor for zoom? Seemed different. Also what a dumb ass plan to trap him.


I think they had the Candyman guy do the voice originally.

Yep it was. Didn't watch the credits if it still was him
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 20, 2016, 08:21:09 AM
Giving up his speed made sense because Zoom would have just start killing and kidnapping other folks.  They need a better plan to make sure they could hold him though.  Also I think Zoom gave a reason why he told Caitlin his real identity I wasn't paying close enough attention to know if it made sense though.

So she would stop trying to find a cure and help him as she was so smart as he said. Weak reason
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 20, 2016, 09:39:32 AM
Well, the individual episodes are still fun, but the wheels have fallen off the bus on the Zoom story for this season. It is just a sloppier and dumber version of the R-F story from season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on April 20, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Giving up his speed like that makes no sense on any level. He's finally faster than Zoom, so he can actually beat him in a fight. And that's the only way to stop him. So, in order to prevent him from zooming around killing people, he gives up the means to stop him. It's like surrendering all your weapons to terrorists so they stop terrorizing people.

More in general, the whole plot with Zoom is convoluted as fuck, and the new revelation about how "Jay" was evil as fuck all along and had a fucked-up childhood that turned him evil was annoyingly bad. So the whole plot will probably be resolved by Barry doing the reverse of season 1: Going to Earth-2, time-traveling to the past and saving Jay's mother, turning Jay good.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 20, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
Shit there totally going to do that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 20, 2016, 10:43:19 AM
Yep, OMG they are gong to do that.

Maybe that will finally prove to Barry that time travel is good in the right hands?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on April 20, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
So does the speed force stack? Is zoom basically double zoom now?

Also I called the FUCK out of zoom having pretended to be the flash the entire time.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 20, 2016, 07:59:39 PM
So when Jay was fighting Zoom on Earth 2 it was always his time duplicate?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 20, 2016, 08:25:57 PM
Seems like it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on April 20, 2016, 10:11:35 PM
Yeah, I watch this show with my dad, and both of us were rolling our eyes at the decision to give Zoom Barry's speed. Capt. America wouldn't have gone through with that, or even if Barry was going through with it, that would have been the perfect point to have Wells just zap Zoom and go "You promised. I didn't." Or have the container of Speed Force be some kind of drug that knocks him out, so that when he wakes up Barry just goes "I promised I'd give you my speed. I didn't say for how long, or that I wouldn't include something to knock you out". Even if you're going to have the hero stick to his promise, this is where you have them do something clever to get around it.

They basically just gave a serial killer exactly what he wanted while also removing your only defense against him. And there's really no other superpowered heroes on this earth to oppose him.

. . . . . God damnit, I just realized something. What we've been thinking of as Earth-2 is actually Earth-3.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 20, 2016, 11:24:40 PM
Earth 1 is apparently full of retards. I mean, you guys had Wally back. Barry can now fight Zoom evenly, and you have the whole team with weapons present.

After the whole time remnant (who Zoom convinced to let him murder) bullshit, the man in the mask reveal will likely be convoluted and further bullshit. The core dialogue of the eps is still good and full of fun... but the Zoom stuff is getting bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on April 21, 2016, 02:06:57 AM
This better be a double play, because Barry is incredibly stupid if otherwise. Wally was safe, Zoom is slower than Flash now, they were just giving up the goods to keep their word? The effects are the only good thing this episode.

Also more useless Iris drama. And Katelyn appeals to Zoom's heart to save Barry? Also, long way back question, how did Thawne know Zoom (When he saw the helmet) , or rather, did he know him as Jay Garrick?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 21, 2016, 08:08:20 AM
there wasn't any Iris drama this episode.  Hell they didn't even have any of the usual Wally drama which is a plus.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 21, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
The writers really just threw shit to the wall on this one. Nothing made sense. If Zoom convinced his time remnant to allow himself to be killed, why did Zoom say this complicated things after he killed the remnant?? How can you time travel and not create a speed mirage and this ep just confirmed that Zoom isn't faster than Reverse Flash, who wasn't faster than Barry at this stage of the show
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Liam on April 21, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
that would have been the perfect point to have Wells just zap Zoom and go "You promised. I didn't."

Now that would have been perfect and logical.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on April 21, 2016, 11:32:46 AM
If Zoom convinced his time remnant to allow himself to be killed, why did Zoom say this complicated things after he killed the remnant?

Yeah if Zoom isn't lying then this makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 21, 2016, 03:33:29 PM
If Zoom convinced his time remnant to allow himself to be killed, why did Zoom say this complicated things after he killed the remnant?

Yeah if Zoom isn't lying then this makes no sense.

Yep. Seems like they wrote themselves into a corner, and now they made a convoluted mess of an explanation as to what happened.

Zoom was away from Earth 1 for a while... Caitlin did a lot of "cure" experimentation with the remnant from what can logically follow on screen. How does Zoom know about the Velocity 9? And was the time remnant FAKING being powerless? It sure looked like that Geomancer villain had him dead if Joe didn't show up.

But if time remnant was really powerless, that means Zoom was powerless at some point. Huh? What? When?

Or is Zoom just slowly losing power and dying, but he was never really powerless as Jay? Huh? WHAT!? WWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT!?

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on April 21, 2016, 08:41:04 PM
Yeah, this whole thing has gotten very complicated. Though it does put a spin on Thawne wanting to leave when he saw Jay's helmet. It's no longer "Uh oh, an experienced Flash is coming for me", it's "Crap, ZOOM might be here soon".

I have to say I'm disappointed with the twist of Jay being evil, I was hoping for more classic Earth-1/Earth-2 stuff, instead of what amounts to a rehash of Season 1's "Evil speedster who needs something from Barry so pretends to be a mentor figure" plot.

I wanted to see more of the Rogue's functioning as a group, getting actual costumes and such, but they sent Cold and Heatwave over to Legends of Tomorrow, so we can't really have the classic Flash Rogues as a group.

I still love the show, love the tone, and there's often some very good acting between folks like Barry and Joe, but overall I just wish they'd gone in different directions than they did.

I hope to God they don't bring Savitar or some other evil speedster in for Season 3. I'd honestly rather if they were going to use an evil speedster, just bring Reverse Flash back occasionally while focusing on other villains.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Drunken1 on April 21, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
Pretty much agree.

I heard Power Girl might show up next season.  There's more multiverse talk and possibly a crossover with smallville's superman and Supergirl again. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on April 26, 2016, 08:29:41 PM
I hate Wells' daughter so much. "A mad man kidnapped me and threatened to kill me, and my dad risked everything to save me. Better run away and treat him like shit over it". Such a terrible storyline.

I dig Wally West on here, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 26, 2016, 08:34:24 PM
Wally has thankfully become less stupid. This, Wells' daughter has been tapped to meet the CW's quota for 100% forced drama that is dumb.

That said, Flash is usually light on such moments.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 26, 2016, 11:43:27 PM
Ok, I liked Zoom's bad ass moment in the show tonight.
With killer Frost I think that was one of the best in awhile.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 27, 2016, 12:07:53 AM
Earth 1 is apparently full of retards. I mean, you guys had Wally back. Barry can now fight Zoom evenly, and you have the whole team with weapons present.

After the whole time remnant (who Zoom convinced to let him murder) bullshit, the man in the mask reveal will likely be convoluted and further bullshit. The core dialogue of the eps is still good and full of fun... but the Zoom stuff is getting bad.

I figure the guy in the mask is just Jay's dad. Also, why did his dad have that helmet in the first place? Is that the standard uniform for Earth-2 US military or whatever Jay's dad was in? Because it looks really stupid.

I'm willing to bet 5 whole dollars, US, that the villain for season three will be Jesse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 27, 2016, 12:17:50 AM
Don't know if it was standard but it certainly some type of military uniform. Maybe a formal uniform.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 27, 2016, 04:45:27 AM
Earth 1 is apparently full of retards. I mean, you guys had Wally back. Barry can now fight Zoom evenly, and you have the whole team with weapons present.

After the whole time remnant (who Zoom convinced to let him murder) bullshit, the man in the mask reveal will likely be convoluted and further bullshit. The core dialogue of the eps is still good and full of fun... but the Zoom stuff is getting bad.

I figure the guy in the mask is just Jay's dad. Also, why did his dad have that helmet in the first place? Is that the standard uniform for Earth-2 US military or whatever Jay's dad was in? Because it looks really stupid.


Yeah I've leaned toward the masked guy being his dad too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on April 27, 2016, 07:04:13 AM
Boy, that would be the biggest letdown of a reveal ever.

Makes sense, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2016, 09:15:42 AM
His dad's helmet is based off of a WW1 US army helmet. Was pretty common actually for a lot of military during that time to wear that helmet

(http://www.historybyzim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evolution-of-Uniform-WWI.jpg)

It fits in with the "time-period" of earth 2
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 27, 2016, 05:46:52 PM
Helmet dude being Jay's dad is lame.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 27, 2016, 05:50:46 PM
The whole Jay...I mean Hunter story is lame. Really dropped the ball
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 27, 2016, 09:47:06 PM
Watching latest ep now. The good so far: Jesse still holding her dad accountable for murder. Barry and Iris' short talk.

The bad: Barry still doesn't quite realize how fucking stupid it was to give Zoom all his speed. Sooooooo dumb.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 28, 2016, 02:13:42 PM
Apparently there not gonna reveal who's under the mask till the finale so it not Zooms dad but something there setting up for next year.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Von Doom on April 28, 2016, 06:25:28 PM
His dad's helmet is based off of a WW1 US army helmet. Was pretty common actually for a lot of military during that time to wear that helmet

(http://www.historybyzim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Evolution-of-Uniform-WWI.jpg)

It fits in with the "time-period" of earth 2
Yeah i thought that was a given.
Plus it was mentioned several episodes back.

Yes it was mentioned. But the outfit...come on. Wasn't his dad wearing that same lame red rubber suit? It's really really really awful.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 28, 2016, 10:20:45 PM
Apparently there not gonna reveal who's under the mask till the finale so it not Zooms dad but something there setting up for next year.

Hmm.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 28, 2016, 11:10:52 PM
Ita someone tied to zoom...sounds like it still could be his dad

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/How-Flash-Man-Iron-Mask-Key-Zoom-Mysteries-134557.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/How-Flash-Man-Iron-Mask-Key-Zoom-Mysteries-134557.html)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 29, 2016, 06:51:43 AM
Ita someone tied to zoom...sounds like it still could be his dad

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/How-Flash-Man-Iron-Mask-Key-Zoom-Mysteries-134557.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/How-Flash-Man-Iron-Mask-Key-Zoom-Mysteries-134557.html)

It being his dad would fit into the whole dad theme this season. The theme is so strong that I figured Earth-2 Henry Allen would be Zoom. Instead we have this less cool Hunter-fake Jay Zoom (time remnants now included).
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Liam on April 30, 2016, 07:34:37 PM
The "don't listen to Wells, this isn't all on you, Barry" line made me laugh. It IS all on Barry. He was an unutterable moron and Wells has every right to loathe him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 30, 2016, 10:32:28 PM
Yep. Wells was ready to shoot/kill/capture the weakening Zoom. Instead, they give Zoom ALL of Barry's speed because why? Barry promised to?

So fucking dumb. The whole season was over right there, the writers having written themselves into another corner... and the answer was for the hero to give the psycho villain more power? Thereby leaving multiple worlds at the mercy of a now unbeatable killer.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 01, 2016, 12:39:51 AM
Usually giving the villain more power overloads him, or something
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 01, 2016, 10:13:20 PM
Usually giving the villain more power overloads him, or something

Here, it was "or something".
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 03, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
Garrick is my mothers maiden name. Snap
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 03, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Also on Earth-2, "Jay" never existed until Zoom made him up. Did no one notice that "Jay" looked almost exactly like the famous serial killer Hunter Zolomon? I'm presuming "escaped serial killer" would've been fresh in the news shortly before Jay showed up.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 04, 2016, 09:23:39 AM
Also on Earth-2, "Jay" never existed until Zoom made him up. Did no one notice that "Jay" looked almost exactly like the famous serial killer Hunter Zolomon? I'm presuming "escaped serial killer" would've been fresh in the news shortly before Jay showed up.

Well he had long hair and scruff when he was pre-zoom. That's plenty of a disguise in the DC universe #glassesfoolsme

But did no one try to look up Garrick's past? Like the tabloids didn't try to find dirt on him or write an article about him or how he was brought up? So he told them his name was Jay Garrick and that was the extent people looked into who he is?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 04, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
Well after Henry's comment about Garrick being his mother's maiden name there is a strong posibility Earth 2 does have a Jay Garrick, he is the Iron Mask, and will probably be played by John Wesley Shipp.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 04, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
Yeah I said at the end of season 1 he should be Jay Garrick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 04, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
Garrick! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME! MY MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME IS GARRICK!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 04, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Well after Henry's comment about Garrick being his mother's maiden name there is a strong posibility Earth 2 does have a Jay Garrick, he is the Iron Mask, and will probably be played by John Wesley Shipp.

I said they should've cast JRS as Jay Garrick from the start. This would be a good way to rectify that. Plus, they can now kill Barry's dad and still keep Shipp on. Much like they did with Wells. Then Jay can act as Barry's father figure/mentor.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 04, 2016, 09:45:14 PM
Garrick! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME! MY MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME IS GARRICK!!!!!!

(http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/09/watching_avengers_i_understood_a_gif_reference-88347.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 04, 2016, 09:46:31 PM
Well after Henry's comment about Garrick being his mother's maiden name there is a strong posibility Earth 2 does have a Jay Garrick, he is the Iron Mask, and will probably be played by John Wesley Shipp.

I said they should've cast JRS as Jay Garrick from the start. This would be a good way to rectify that. Plus, they can now kill Barry's dad and still keep Shipp on. Much like they did with Wells. Then Jay can act as Barry's father figure/mentor.

Yeah I bet he will die as he said "he is back for good". We shall see...we shall see.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ares on May 04, 2016, 10:57:18 PM
I still love this show despite it's problems. It's probably about 80-90% of what I want from a four color superhero series, while Daredevil is 95-100% of what I want from a vigilante/crimefighter series.

I keep hoping next season won't be another evil speedster. I would love to see The Reverse Flash return, but I also want to see more Rogues and more general superheroing. Make the villain be about his team rather than just a solo menace. I kind of wish we could get Capt. Cold and Heatwave back from Legends of Tomorrow, and with the twist that instead of having become better people on their little trip, they've only reinforced their own worst aspects or are tired with "the hero thing" and want to get back to crime.

I also think that with the destruction of Barry's costume, we might be due for another costume upgrade, actually get the bright red, classic looking outfit rather than the maroon version we've had.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 05, 2016, 07:44:10 AM
Has anyone touched on the scene of the speed force explosion passing over wally and jessie? Camera seemed to focus on them for a bit. Wonder if we are going to see that, finally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 05, 2016, 07:56:31 AM
Yeah sure Wally and Jessie got their powers there. I wonder how long Barry will be gone for

He better not be the one in the iron mask
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2016, 07:57:08 AM
yeah they fucking hammered that home. They even had them laying on the ground shaped like lightening bolts.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 05, 2016, 08:07:49 AM
yeah they fucking hammered that home. They even had them laying on the ground shaped like lightening bolts.

Hahaha. I didn't even catch that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 05, 2016, 08:34:42 AM
He better not be the one in the iron mask
I would be pretty disappointed.
I'm looking forward to Shipp claiming the earth 2 Flash mantle, taking the helmet thats been at STAR labs as his own.

I'm on board with that
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on May 05, 2016, 11:32:56 AM
Has anyone touched on the scene of the speed force explosion passing over wally and jessie? Camera seemed to focus on them for a bit. Wonder if we are going to see that, finally.

Didn't it also go through Iris and the guy next to her (can't remember if she was near Joe or Wells)?  I do think that Wally and Jesse are getting powers from it, but they should have had the energy miss everybody else since I doubt they are all getting powers.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2016, 11:43:48 AM
It did but they went out of there way to show it effected them. The followed the wave out then slowed it down to show it cascade over them, knock then down unlike everyone else, and then show an above shot where they are both laying on the ground angled like lightning bolts.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 05, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Are we going to see a team of speedsters and scientists Ala arrow's shitty team of archers and hackers?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if one or them gets move to legends of tomorrow next season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 05, 2016, 12:42:42 PM
Probably gonna be Jessie because wally being gone would be a fairly big deal
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 05, 2016, 01:06:14 PM
Once Wally and Jesse showed up, I figured it was going to be a team effort to beat Zoom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 05, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
Has anyone touched on the scene of the speed force explosion passing over wally and jessie? Camera seemed to focus on them for a bit. Wonder if we are going to see that, finally.

Didn't it also go through Iris and the guy next to her (can't remember if she was near Joe or Wells)?  I do think that Wally and Jesse are getting powers from it, but they should have had the energy miss everybody else since I doubt they are all getting powers.

Not it didn't hit anyone in the room head straight though the door.  Only hit Jessie and Wally

Probably gonna be Jessie because wally being gone would be a fairly big deal

I see Jessie going back to her Earth to be a hero.  And they move Wally over to Legends of Tommorrow next season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 05, 2016, 06:05:21 PM
The hints of their comic personas have been heavy lately. Once or twice per episode, someone remarks on Jessie being quick. Or how Wally loves speed. Joe: "Well until you find a job that allows you to go fast and protect people, stick to engineering."

Anyway, Barry exploding into a trillion pieces was unexpected. Maybe he entered the speed force?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 11, 2016, 07:57:44 AM
Iris was so damn hot last night. I'd give her my Flash. Er....?

Anyway, they seem to want to fuel speculation that Jesse may have received powers/speed, but Wally hasn't. Interesting.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 11, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
Iris was so damn hot last night. I'd give her my Flash. Er....?

Anyway, they seem to want to fuel speculation that Jesse may have received powers/speed, but Wally hasn't. Interesting.

The speed forces doesnt care about black people.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 11, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
The whole speedforce thing just reminded me of the Prophets from DS9
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 11, 2016, 08:10:58 PM
I didn't recognize any of the metas at the end
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 11, 2016, 08:22:15 PM
The green Firestorm guy might be Atomic Skull but thats all I got.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on May 11, 2016, 10:58:15 PM
I feel like they wasted the Speed force storyline smh. I was hoping they'd adapt the Terminal Velocity storyline to Barry as turn it into a season arc where his powers would get upgraded. But they went and blew that wad in one episode. *Le sigh*
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 12, 2016, 01:29:27 PM
Barry's dad is definitely dead.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 14, 2016, 08:41:46 AM
See... they should've done something like this waaaaaayyyyyyy earlier. Barry can beat Zoom. So Zoom has to gather an army of evil metas to beat Barry.

It would have better explained why Zoom was sending metas to kill Barry earlier in the season. Instead, we have this weird series of episodes that drag on and make no sense later on. Jay-Zoom just makes no sense in hindsight based on what Zoom and Jay were doing earlier.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 17, 2016, 09:56:30 PM
Tonight's episode picked it up. You knew Henry was going out as soon as they did the family dinner scene, still, it'll be interesting to see Barry's new zen deal with this.

Wally was more furious than fast this episode.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 17, 2016, 11:08:21 PM
Earth 2 really does feel like it's Earth 3 with all these evil counterparts.

Knew his dad was going to be off'ed soon as when he said he was back permanently

I wonder if the man in the iron mask will be Ronnie now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 18, 2016, 12:02:05 AM
Or Earth 2(3?) Henry Allen, or 90's Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 18, 2016, 06:22:53 AM
I would be on board for an actual real Jay Garrick to be a mentor.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 19, 2016, 07:57:35 AM
I keep hearing Earth-2 Henry as a popular option, but I just don't see it. What would be the point?

Ronnie makes a lot of sense. And, as I saw noted elsewhere, Caitlyn really needs a win.

If I had to go off the beaten path, though? Eh, let's go with Bart Allen. "You wouldn't believe me if I told you", isn't that what Zoom said? Who would believe he has Barry's grandkid from the future locked up? The show has already dabbled with time travel and shown Zoom to understand it. Sure, could be Bart.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 19, 2016, 08:18:41 AM
If they went with Bart I would have preferred they want with a young teen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 19, 2016, 11:05:16 AM
Wait, wait, wait...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/you-might-not-want-to-believe-the-latest-black-panther-1777398172

Barry and Zoom will race? WTF is this?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 19, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
Wait, wait, wait...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/you-might-not-want-to-believe-the-latest-black-panther-1777398172

Barry and Zoom will race? WTF is this?

I saw that; there HAS to be more to it, but it seems legit. Like they line up and are all "I'M GOING TO BEAT YOU AT THIS FRIENDLY FOOTRACE". What the heck could that possibly be about?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 19, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
When someone murders your dad its either foot race or dance off.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 19, 2016, 12:37:49 PM
First, Barry gives Zoom all of his speed because... he promised. Now Zoom kills his dad, and... foot race?

I'm sure there is a very stupid reason for this race, but Zoom has just been such a disappointment. The whole damn thing from mid-season on has been dumb, making the earlier episodes look bad in hindsight.

Again, each episode has some good stuff individually, but as a whole, this season is weak and rehashes shit done way better last season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 20, 2016, 02:13:10 AM
First, Barry gives Zoom all of his speed because... he promised. Now Zoom kills his dad, and... foot race?

I'm sure there is a very stupid reason for this race, but Zoom has just been such a disappointment. The whole damn thing from mid-season on has been dumb, making the earlier episodes look bad in hindsight.

Again, each episode has some good stuff individually, but as a whole, this season is weak and rehashes shit done way better last season.

It's hard for Zoom (Even with the Tony Todd voice) to match up with the dual psychological and physical challenge Tom Cavanaugh's Thawne presented. The complexity of that performance made it tops, when it came to tv villainy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 20, 2016, 06:13:24 AM
I agree. Season 1 Reverse-Flash was amazing. The villain acting like a mentor and father figure to his most hated enemies... and over time growing to respect them (and to even see Cisco like a son) was great. The future angle was fun. The time travel was fun. All fun.

This season has had some fun stuff, but Zoom... they rehashed the "mentor/friend is really evil speedster". They rehashed evil speedster used time travel. They used a more convoluted explanation for how Zoom and "Jay" were in two places at once. And then we never have a clear idea as to when the real Zoom was even hanging out with team Flash. Or why send metas to kill Flash when you later reveal you wanted to steal his speed. But you can only steal the speed with Wells' help... and he only sought Wells' help later on. Which also rehashing the idea of Wells secretly helping Barry get faster to steal his speed.

Next season needs a non-speedster villain as the main threat.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 20, 2016, 08:31:51 AM
He must have known about Zoom... but not sure he would know that Zoom was fake-Jay. Either way, he must have heard something in the history books about another skilled speedster visiting from Earth 2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2016, 08:51:59 AM
Ok so lets go through possible people in the iron mask.

Ronnie - Never found the body. Possibly found by Zoom after he fell through the breach and thats how Zoom learned about Barry

Reverse Flash - Captured by Zoom earlier in his timeline. Thats why he got worried when he saw the helmet

Cold - The explosion in LoT didn't kill him. It sent him to an earlier part of Earth 2's timeline and was captured by Zoom.

Earth 2 Jay Garrick - Zoom stole his identity. Possibly played by John Wesley Shipp

I also have a new theory

Earth 1 Jay Garrick - The Flash of WWII who was part of a secret special ops team called the JSA. Great Grandfather of Barry. Possibly lost on Earth 2 during Legends of Tomorrow season 2
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Philosophia on May 20, 2016, 09:04:59 AM
The man in Iron Mask is clearly Barry's dad.

The foreshadowing with his mother's name being Garrick is the same with the foreshadowing that Zoom's doppelganger being Hunter Zolomon.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 20, 2016, 03:56:12 PM
The Garrick connection seems weird, as the show established that all Earth 2 people have the same names. They just have different personalities.

But it probably will be Earth 2 Henry Allen (Jay Garrick? Henry Garrick?). But then why wasn't Earth 2 Barry Allen going by Barry Garrick?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 20, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
The writers have fucking given up.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 20, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
I get the feeling that they had things mapped out until roughly mid-season. And before they started shooting, the creative team said, "I'm sure we'll figure things out as we film it."

And by God, they sure as fuck did not.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 20, 2016, 11:30:02 PM
Which explain the sporadic schedule as well.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 08:04:22 PM
5 mins in and I'm already confused with zooms plan

Edit: 10 mins in and I'm very confused with zooms plan. Let's race and I'll give up. Really hope there's more to it

2nd edit: ok there is a reason. But he wants to destroy the multiverse? Ooook
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 08:26:12 PM
Yeah, this episode and season is just poor in comparison to the first.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
Man in the mask is jay. Whoo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 08:36:04 PM
So hunter zolomon did steal the name of Jay from the man in the iron mask. Going to be Barry's dad and be a true mentor....hopefully

Still a mess of a story
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 24, 2016, 08:41:13 PM
Why in God's name would be be keeping Earth-? Jay in a metal mask?

I mean, other than a lazy way for the writers to hide him looking like Barry's dad until the finale.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 08:43:51 PM
Are you kidding me? You're going to risk the multi-verse to save your foster dad? That's pretty selfish. Like super selfish

Oh and now flash can make independent time duplicates that can die and has no effect on Barry? that's easily Mach 4.5

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 08:48:21 PM
Well, that was very "ghost" of them.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 24, 2016, 08:50:17 PM
Jesus, that was horrible.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
So they got to have a heroic sacrifice with no negative ramifications. This was fucking terrible. I hope this Jay turns out to be evil just because.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
Haha that's how they did the big reveal? What a waste.

Earth 3's Jays outfit looks...ok-ish????

Edit: and mentor Jay is gone already. Just like his real dad
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 08:55:00 PM
Uhh. Isn't supergirl on earth 3? Does anyone give a shit about continuity anymore?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 08:57:35 PM
So they got to have a heroic sacrifice with no negative ramifications. This was fucking terrible. I hope this Jay turns out to be evil just because.

Yep and completly glossed over. How is time travel bad again? Seriously every time he has made the situation better

Edit: wait what?????? Where did that come from? Well that's going to mess up the timeline
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 24, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Actully like the episode. Lot of good moment

Ending was kind of weird. Should of ended with them returning to earth 2

Uhh. Isn't supergirl on earth 3? Does anyone give a shit about continuity anymore?

maybe he not called the flash on earth 3. We know there other superheros beside kara
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 24, 2016, 09:05:57 PM
Iris: You lost your mom and dad... so let's bang.

Barry: No. Sadness has killed my dick.

Iris: Ok, I will wait for you.

*cue season 3 opener where Iris is now with someone new*
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 09:10:23 PM
Seriously the heroic sacrifice was so silly. Zero ramifications? What they should have done is what they did in Alpha Flight with the Flashback character. Flashback is a mutant with the psionic ability to cause temporal counterparts of himself from alternate future timelines to appear in the present and to control them. Here's what happens when one of his temporal copies gets killed (that wasn't the real Guardian in case people were confused)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/08_zpstefrfgpa.jpg)

They do eventually save him (wasn't easy)...but that's some serious ramifications.

Iris: You lost your mom and dad... so let's bang.

Barry: No. Sadness has killed my dick.

Iris: Ok, I will wait for you.

*cue season 3 opener where Iris is now with someone new*

Time travel is so bad. So bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 24, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
Time is broken?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 09:16:21 PM
Honestly if he wanted to save his dad and fix a lot of things, why didn't he time travel and save Zoom's mom? Hunter would be "good" and this entire season 2 would have been gone.

I'm happy we got a real Jay back, but he didn't even really connect with Barry. They barely even talked before he bolted off.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 24, 2016, 09:33:44 PM
And while saving his mom 100% screws with stuff we saw in season 1... it in no way affects Earth 2. Zoom might find his way to Earth 1 through some different way... and kill one of Barry's parents. Or end the multiverse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 24, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
least you might have ONE example of time travel being bad. Thats something

wonder how this will effect other shows in the cw universe

namely rip hunters crew.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 10:27:57 PM
Wonder if Zoom will become the Black flash now. His face looks like it before he was carried away

(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M69495a940adbcdd06f361cec873e6461H0&pid=15.1)

Doing a very rough calculation...

the diameter of the ring is what? 200m? Zoom said thet needed to do 500+ laps to activate...went with 500 laps being conservative.

500 x 200m = 100,000m total
timed about 40-45 seconds before the beam went into the sky (I went with 45s). So that's 2222.222 m/s or  1.38 mile/second. - mach 6.5. That actually matches with the story. Wells in the past said Barry is "little over mach 2" and Zoom is "at least 3-4x faster" so zoom should have been mach 6-7
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 24, 2016, 10:38:30 PM
So how many Barry's are there at the night of his mom's death now? What kind of weird fetish does he have that he has to skip out on some fine ass tang to go back to that again?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 24, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
where did Jay find his costume on earth 1?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 24, 2016, 10:45:11 PM
where did Jay find his costume on earth 1?

(http://i.imgur.com/BibLrYT.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 24, 2016, 10:50:11 PM
this could be interesting if it affects the other shows and we get like an alternate timeline for half or all the season on Arrow, LOT and Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 24, 2016, 10:52:33 PM
Lets hope it retcons the shit out of Arrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 24, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
I wonder if they wrote this in so they could put supergirl in the same universe or something.  Not sure how that would work but I'd like to think something positive will come of how bad this season was. LET'S RACE.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on May 25, 2016, 01:03:52 AM
someone explain the time echo thing and why Barry isnt fucked .

Always assume time echoes..means your shortening your life span by killing yourself in the future.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 01:49:05 AM
Well after Henry's comment about Garrick being his mother's maiden name there is a strong posibility Earth 2 does have a Jay Garrick, he is the Iron Mask, and will probably be played by John Wesley Shipp.

Damn so close. I just had to toss Earth 3 into it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 25, 2016, 05:54:59 AM
It should have been Max Mercury.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 25, 2016, 07:11:19 AM
someone explain the time echo thing and why Barry isnt fucked .

Always assume time echoes..means your shortening your life span by killing yourself in the future.

Please refer to Neo's giant Dr. Wells pic.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 25, 2016, 08:52:58 AM
Yeah, I guess they won't exist anymore. Ugh. That was just such a crazy reckless and selfish move by Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: mob parker on May 25, 2016, 08:56:39 AM
I called it i called it, right down to the fucking helmet!!!
Woo Hoo!

Of course now we have to deal with more speed force time travel crap next season which sucks.
I liked the Crisis Barry's death homage, and the black Flash one, too.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on May 25, 2016, 10:28:42 AM
mob parker thinks a lot of things are brilliant, apparently. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 25, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
I called it i called it, right down to the fucking helmet!!!
Woo Hoo!

Pretty sure I called it first.

This entire season was just a way for them to get JWS as Jay Garrick, which should've been his initial part.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 11:04:48 AM
You said he was going to Earth 1 Henry Allen. You were close but I was closer. #pointlessdickwaving
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
I'm wondering if the next fall season will open up with the 4-part crossover with the other shows and they will do flashpoint.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 25, 2016, 12:54:34 PM
You said he was going to Earth 1 Henry Allen. You were close but I was closer. #pointlessdickwaving

Touche.

The important thing is we both beat RIV.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 07:42:17 PM
https://twitter.com/grantgust/status/715023929669083137

Old tweet but still relevant
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 25, 2016, 10:31:51 PM
So Barry acts in a way completely opposite to his character arc in the season finale?! - Bravo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 25, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
Fuck character growth!

(http://i.imgur.com/e1WLN1W.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 25, 2016, 11:18:14 PM
That Ric Flair gif made my evening.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2016, 11:54:38 PM
http://imgur.com/a/Juqoh
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 26, 2016, 06:57:58 AM
Hey, what a great ending! Nothing like saying "Everything you've watched through 2 seasons so far doesn't matter because we just erased it all!"

Fucking hell.

So now what? Barry obvs will never have lived with Joe and Iris. So are we going to get the Earth-2 thing where Joe hates him? Are he and Iris going to date? Or is this just a convoluted way to keep them apart for another season+?

Hell, is Barry even still going to be The Flash? Earth 2 Barry wasn't, and it still had a particle accelerator.

Haha... season 3 should be about speedless Barry stuck in his own past, being all mopey and hitting on tween Iris. Eventually he forces Past Barry into the circumstances that make him The Flash again.



Also, when the hell does Wally become a speedster?! I like TV Wally, and want him to get a move on being Kid Flash. :)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 26, 2016, 08:16:47 AM
Hey, what a great ending! Nothing like saying "Everything you've watched through 2 seasons so far doesn't matter because we just erased it all!"

Fucking hell.

So now what? Barry obvs will never have lived with Joe and Iris. So are we going to get the Earth-2 thing where Joe hates him? Are he and Iris going to date? Or is this just a convoluted way to keep them apart for another season+?

Hell, is Barry even still going to be The Flash? Earth 2 Barry wasn't, and it still had a particle accelerator.

Haha... season 3 should be about speedless Barry stuck in his own past, being all mopey and hitting on tween Iris. Eventually he forces Past Barry into the circumstances that make him The Flash again.



Also, when the hell does Wally become a speedster?! I like TV Wally, and want him to get a move on being Kid Flash. :)

We are probably going to get a few episode of the tv version of Flashpoint. Maybe even it will open up with the 4 part crossover and tell Flashpoint through all 4 shows.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on May 26, 2016, 08:50:45 AM
A little disappointed with that ending, but it was going to be hardto match up to the first season's build up. On a plus side, the 'NO WAY' factor was there, as opposed to Arrow's very disappointing finale.
Seeing the original FLash actor in a Jay costume was pretty damn awesome, too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 26, 2016, 11:14:02 AM
http://imgur.com/a/Juqoh

Hahaha, that was fucking great.

"Run, Barry. Run!"

"TRIGGERED."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 26, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/could-more-members-of-suicide-squad-be-getting-their-ow-1778716426

John Wesley Shipp will be part of the JSA.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on May 26, 2016, 04:28:05 PM
Fuck. Yes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 28, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NOuYC4r.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 28, 2016, 01:50:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eiWbI39.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 28, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
https://imgur.com/a/qXO7N

A little more clearer explanation.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on May 28, 2016, 02:39:20 PM
Okay. That kind of makes sense and makes me slightly okay with it, but it was still portrayed overly complicated and shitty. And then Barry erased it all anyway.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 28, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
I'm OK with what he did at the end and I don't see it as out of character. I see it as a person who hit his limit on bullshit happening to him and he had a moment of selfishness.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 28, 2016, 04:18:59 PM
Coming back to die is stupid. I kill the other guy and live his life.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 28, 2016, 07:05:43 PM
Why save his mom, which causes far more complications, as opposed to saving his dad?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 28, 2016, 09:48:05 PM
Maybe he thought saving his mom would cause a ripple effect that would also save his dad. Or maybe he thought he would do that first and then save his dad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Jonathanos on May 28, 2016, 10:59:08 PM
Honestly, all that is still over my head, but thats on me. Still hella interesting though.

If you're talking about the time remnant thing, it's not that complicated.

Timeline 1: Barry fails to catch Zoom in time to prevent powering the machine that would destroy the rest of the multiverse.  He then travels a few minutes back in time, creating:

Timeline 2: Future Barry helps Past Barry and they stop Zoom.  Future Barry's timeline is erased, making him a remnant of a timeline that no longer exists.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on May 28, 2016, 11:31:28 PM
Why does the one Flash fade away after our Flash saves his mother?  Why did killing Eddie Thawn erase Reverse Flash from existence?  Shouldn't they have just been remnants?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 29, 2016, 01:25:17 AM
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... speed force.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: mob parker on May 29, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 29, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Why does the one Flash fade away after our Flash saves his mother?  Why did killing Eddie Thawn erase Reverse Flash from existence?  Shouldn't they have just been remnants?

And how come Zoom had a full-time remnant earning overtime and health benefits as "Jay" for quite a good long time without the wraiths coming after them?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 29, 2016, 12:24:36 PM
Also, didn't the team remark that Barry created the time remnant? As in, current Barry did something in the present by running so fast that he created a remnant?

Also, Zoom travelled back in time and convinced past Zoom to pretend to be Jay. Zoom explains how the remnant Zoom loved the plan... yet the remnant Zoom/Jay was a past Zoom. So Zoom killing him should have killed Zoom.

SPEEDFORCE.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 29, 2016, 12:48:14 PM
PLOT FARCE!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 29, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
Also keep in mind, all this was done at Mach 2
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 29, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
Hey now. He's a little past mach 3.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 29, 2016, 05:28:18 PM
I'm ok with him doing crazy shit at lower speeds if the explain it properly. They can easily say the powers are sorta separate from the speed itself and that he just needs to channel more of the speed force to do it. So basically if he's going above mach 3 he channeling enough of the speed force to travel back in time throw lightening, etc.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on May 31, 2016, 03:25:46 AM
The speedforce beat down Flash laid on Zoom was a lot of fun to watch!

Jay Garrick donning his iconic helmet in the name of hope, taking something from Zoom was a satisfying reversal.

I will miss Tom Cavanagh if he is truly gone; I hope for next season, they find a way to bring him back. Now for Jessie, Wally and Bart to make grand entrances in Flash garb!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 31, 2016, 07:00:56 AM
He is a regular next season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on June 01, 2016, 04:15:05 PM
I will miss Tom Cavanagh if he is truly gone; I hope for next season, they find a way to bring him back.

With how this season ended, it seems likely he might be playing un-Thawned Earth-1 Wells for a bit at least.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on June 01, 2016, 07:34:51 PM
They kept teasing the Jessie/Wally so much, I figured Wells and she would be back.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on June 03, 2016, 06:35:55 AM
Which is why I imagine they will undo this "flashpoint-lite" event. They set so much stuff up. No way they hit the reset button permanently.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on June 03, 2016, 09:24:24 PM
They kept teasing the Jessie/Wally so much, I figured Wells and she would be back.

Was I the only one who felt the only time in enjoyed the Wally or Jessie was when they were together.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 03, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
Careful, dem shipping words.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on June 04, 2016, 07:35:32 AM
The show was horribly inconsistent with Wally early on. He'd come over and be a nice guy... and then later act like a complete a fucktard for no reason.

They had no clue how to make a rough-around-the-edges good guy like Han Solo. So they just made him 40% nice and 60% jackass. And he was being a jackass mostly to Joe, who is the most loveable character in the whole series. Hence, no one liked Wally at all.

Honestly, he serves no purpose on the show other than to replace Barry when Grant Austin gets tired of the part.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on June 06, 2016, 10:02:42 PM
Yeah, don't type that to loud.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on June 07, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
The writing on this show sucks. I finally got around to watching the finale and it was completely underwhelming. Whiny Face Barry strikes again. The final battle between Zoom and Flash came down to a race?? The hell man?? I know Zoom spoke of his remnants but at what point to Barry tell his other self the ultimate plan to sacrifice himself? What the hell is a time remnant to begin with? Up until Zoom's retarded explanation all remnants disappeared shortly after Barry surpass them, so why do they stick around now? They could've kept the Jay Garrick reveal. It really served no purpose.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on June 07, 2016, 09:25:45 PM
It was a plug for the Legends of Tomorrow event in that show's season 2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JookDukem on June 18, 2016, 08:15:10 PM
Is Wally a black dude in this show? Because that's unacceptable.

JLA/U Wally West is the only flash that should ever exist. This is a scientific fact.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on June 18, 2016, 11:45:20 PM
Yes. But there is actually two Wally wests in the comics now. One is the one we know and the new one is black and is the original Wally wests cousin
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 07, 2016, 04:13:03 PM
Wally West's costume...

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/174/036/original/KidFlash1.jpg?1468342202)

He's going by Kid Flash, even though he is the same age as Barry (or close to it)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 07, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
He's not actually. Judging by the trailer he's going to be the main flash of the Flashpoint-verse. We don't even know if prime Wally will have powers yet.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 08, 2016, 12:43:14 PM
Naaaa he's kid flash

http://www.newsarama.com/30516-flash-season-3-cast-talks-new-characters-new-timeline-new-powers.html (http://www.newsarama.com/30516-flash-season-3-cast-talks-new-characters-new-timeline-new-powers.html)

As for Joe's other child, Wally West, fans already know that Wally will become Kid Flash in Flash season three, and Martin says the fact that both of his sons - Wally, his biological son, and Barry, his adoptive son - are superheroes hasn't escaped
---------
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-flash-tv-show-debuts-wally-west-as-kid-flash-and-h-1783519674 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-flash-tv-show-debuts-wally-west-as-kid-flash-and-h-1783519674)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 08, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
Its always the people writing the articles and not anyone working on the show who call him Kid Flash. I don't think he will actually be called that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 08, 2016, 01:17:41 PM
Click the second link and scroll down. The Flash tv Twitter account called him Kid Flash

Edit:

Here....https://mobile.twitter.com/CW_TheFlash/status/752895379700449280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://mobile.twitter.com/CW_TheFlash/status/752895379700449280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 08, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
NM then. I still don't think they are going to call him that on the show though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 08, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
I hope they do just to stick it to you
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on August 08, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
I think they've got a lot of logical options for names other than Kid Flash.

Flash Kid, Black Flash, Dark Flash, Black Kid Flash, Kid Black Flash, Black Flash Kid, African-American Flash, Token Flash, Mugger Flash.

I think they'll probably go with Kid Flash over some of those.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 08, 2016, 05:25:32 PM
Afrikid Flash
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 12, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
http://thathashtagshow.com/2016/08/joss-whedon-tapped-to-direct-flashsupergirl-musical-crossover/

Musical crossover with Supergirl and Flash directed by Joss Whedon.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on August 12, 2016, 05:18:22 PM
http://thathashtagshow.com/2016/08/joss-whedon-tapped-to-direct-flashsupergirl-musical-crossover/

Musical crossover with Supergirl and Flash directed by Joss Whedon.

I'll enjoy it, but say hello to JUMPING THE SHARK.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 12, 2016, 06:29:14 PM
http://thathashtagshow.com/2016/08/joss-whedon-tapped-to-direct-flashsupergirl-musical-crossover/

Musical crossover with Supergirl and Flash directed by Joss Whedon.

I'll enjoy it, but say hello to JUMPING THE SHARK.


meh. IMHO when your dealing with the ridiculousness of comic books its damn near impossible to jump the shark.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Liam on August 13, 2016, 10:34:39 AM
I liked the Buffy musical episode. I'm a little iffy on this one, because Buffy by that point had so much raw angst to tap into. Flash and Supergirl have tried, but I don't think they've made the pain work the way Buffy did. Still, I want to see this.

Also, NPH reprising his role as Music Meister in live-action would be beyond awesome!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on August 13, 2016, 12:20:44 PM
http://thathashtagshow.com/2016/08/joss-whedon-tapped-to-direct-flashsupergirl-musical-crossover/

Musical crossover with Supergirl and Flash directed by Joss Whedon.

Didn't I call this? YES!!!!!! This is too good to be true!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on August 20, 2016, 06:05:48 PM
As predicted Zoom will return as the Black Flash

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/comic-reel-the-flash-producer-teases-zooms-potential-black-flash-turn (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/comic-reel-the-flash-producer-teases-zooms-potential-black-flash-turn)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on August 22, 2016, 04:14:21 AM
Yeah they should step away from speedster villains for a while.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 22, 2016, 08:21:58 AM
They are using Savatar too. Hopefully neither are main villains.

Also the Black Racer and Black Flash are not the same. Someone needs to fire who wrote that.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on August 26, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
They also have the Rival being played by the guy who played Ceasar on Spatacus.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 04, 2016, 10:00:02 PM
So it's back....and Flashpoint only lasted an episode which is a surprise

Also guess Dr.Alchemy is the big bad for season 3. Excellent
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 04, 2016, 10:30:50 PM
Poor Nora Allen. They need to do a season with her as the main villain where she comes back aware of how many times she was almost saved then killed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 05, 2016, 01:46:34 AM
Suprised they just did flashpoint for one ep tought it would be for a couple episodes. Also did I miss something when did Barry's dad die?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 05, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
It makes no sense that Barry setting things right would mess up Joe and Iris' relationship. Of course, it also didn't make sense for Barry to have his powers and memories in the FP universe.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on October 05, 2016, 11:54:02 AM
So, is the reason that killing his mother didn't fix things because Reverse Flash jumped to the present with him?  The original events have Reverse Flash kill Barry's mother and run out of speed, thus setting him on the path of taking Harrison Wells identity.  Last night, Reverse Flash did not get stuck in the past but jumped with Barry at the end, which would mean that pretty much everything with Harrison Wells is now altered or just gone. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 05, 2016, 11:59:22 AM
well it about time after all the warning time travel barry does actully have a negative effect

but it weird all this talk about changing time, when Barry kind of just was setting the time line right when he stop his mothers death
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on October 05, 2016, 12:06:08 PM

but it weird all this talk about changing time, when Barry kind of just was setting the time line right when he stop his mothers death

Huh, you're right.  Time Travel is such a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 05, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Also did I miss something when did Barry's dad die?

For you:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m-jBpOH5Kos

Totally don't remember that happening. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 05, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
^^^It made the man in the Iron Mask reveal that much better!

Made it even more obvious, you mean.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 05, 2016, 04:22:18 PM
So, is the reason that killing his mother didn't fix things because Reverse Flash jumped to the present with him?  The original events have Reverse Flash kill Barry's mother and run out of speed, thus setting him on the path of taking Harrison Wells identity.  Last night, Reverse Flash did not get stuck in the past but jumped with Barry at the end, which would mean that pretty much everything with Harrison Wells is now altered or just gone.

Good point. That is a change but I bet they ignore it completely.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 05, 2016, 10:49:14 PM
So, is the reason that killing his mother didn't fix things because Reverse Flash jumped to the present with him?  The original events have Reverse Flash kill Barry's mother and run out of speed, thus setting him on the path of taking Harrison Wells identity.  Last night, Reverse Flash did not get stuck in the past but jumped with Barry at the end, which would mean that pretty much everything with Harrison Wells is now altered or just gone.

Gives Tom Cavanagh a chance to play Earth 1 Harrison Wells.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 06, 2016, 02:12:18 AM
Getting a little tired of Barry losing to every speedster. He's in his third season and constantly needs a pep-talk to overcome adversity. - Speaking of, it felt odd that Iris instantly fell back into love with Barry and became his cheerleader and that Caitlin (after being kidnapped) homogenized with the team so quickly.


Still will watch the show going forward of course. The effects keep getting better, and Gustin's Barry (Along with most of the cast) is likable. I'm excited for Jay's return and the trip to Earth 3 as well.

Also, how is Reverse Flash at all okay with the timeline going back to the way it was for him? For that matter, how come his future wasn't effected? - Which, how can it not be?

Yeah, I'll be watching.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2016, 04:03:36 AM
^^^It made the man in the Iron Mask reveal that much better!

Made it even more obvious, you mean.
Doesnt mean it wasnt great, you pessimistic bitch.

Lol oh you oversensitive bitch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 06, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Getting a little tired of Barry losing to every speedster. He's in his third season and constantly needs a pep-talk to overcome adversity. - Speaking of, it felt odd that Iris instantly fell back into love with Barry and became his cheerleader and that Caitlin (after being kidnapped) homogenized with the team so quickly.


Still will watch the show going forward of course. The effects keep getting better, and Gustin's Barry (Along with most of the cast) is likable. I'm excited for Jay's return and the trip to Earth 3 as well.

Also, how is Reverse Flash at all okay with the timeline going back to the way it was for him? For that matter, how come his future wasn't effected? - Which, how can it not be?

Yeah, I'll be watching.

I thought the RF meant that them messing with things fixed the timeline to how he remembered it for him
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on October 06, 2016, 12:52:29 PM
i guess I get the whole time remnant thing but did the Barry from the new timeline just disappear as well? He saves his mom so younger Barry should've still been around right? He went back into the future and lives with his parents for 3 months correct? Where was the other Barry during this time gap?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 06, 2016, 03:42:15 PM
i guess I get the whole time remnant thing but did the Barry from the new timeline just disappear as well? He saves his mom so younger Barry should've still been around right? He went back into the future and lives with his parents for 3 months correct? Where was the other Barry during this time gap?

Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 06, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
i guess I get the whole time remnant thing but did the Barry from the new timeline just disappear as well? He saves his mom so younger Barry should've still been around right? He went back into the future and lives with his parents for 3 months correct? Where was the other Barry during this time gap?

It's unclear exactly what happened at the end to prevent Barry from stopping himself from stopping Reverse Flash. Reverse Flash to Barry back to his (Barry's) present day, where in the past the then time remnant Barry and Reverse Flash disappear and a new Reverse Flash kills Barry's mom. So that Reverse Flash has to be the one that just dropped Barry off in the present, or the Reverse Flash that dropped Barry off is a time remnant who doesn't fade away, which should mean the time wraiths are coming for him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 08, 2016, 07:28:06 AM
This show constantly changes the time travel rules, so there is no point wondering about this stuff anymore. If they ever establish a rule, they ignore it next time... or change it. And then go back to the old rule. And then create new rules. And are then inconsistent with a rule in the same episode it was made.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 12, 2016, 02:33:37 AM
Loved John Wesley Shipp's performance as Jay Garrick - He had a serene hope about him.

- The fights between Rival and Flash were great; I felt that last punch to the gut!

- Barry turns the universe upside down and somehow matures Iris.

- Also, the entire message of this season flies in the face of Legends Of Tomorrow, which, speaking of, will Flashpoint have any effect on?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on October 12, 2016, 03:33:42 AM
This show constantly changes the time travel rules, so there is no point wondering about this stuff anymore. If they ever establish a rule, they ignore it next time... or change it. And then go back to the old rule. And then create new rules. And are then inconsistent with a rule in the same episode it was made.

I think their rules are actually remarkably consistent.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111217695/4463849-1307084722205.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:48:37 AM
I like how Jay yanked Barry out of the Speed Force. Loved seeing Vibe in action! Good decision to not drag out the angst, although Barry not telling Wally he might be a target was stupid.

Glad Barry and Iris are together finally.

Oh and I hope they make Draco Malfoy become Abra Kadabra.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 11:04:02 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but that diner was from the original Flash show right? It seemed familiar. Also I was waiting for Jay to say, "my name was originally Barry Allen then I messed with the timeline a few times now I'm Jay Garrick."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 12, 2016, 11:27:31 AM
I love how Jay yanked Barry out of the speedforce to end all of the time travel nonsense.

But I have to wonder... will the writers eventually ignore this final batch of time travel changes?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 11:34:00 AM
I think it will stick. Its not like anything huge changed. We got one dead character that was barely on the show, a new character, and Diggle's kid changed gender. Also knowing the show the obvious choice for Dr. Alchemy is Malfoy.

I wonder if Felicity knowing Diggle's kid changed will even come up on Arrow.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 12, 2016, 04:30:37 PM
Man I love Shipp as Jay Garrick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
(https://i.redd.it/lubpsj6nh1rx.png)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 12, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
LMFAO
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 12, 2016, 08:22:56 PM
I liked how Dawson's Creek was on in the background in 1998... when Shipp was playing Dawson's dad on the show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 08:25:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B4vfFJU.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 13, 2016, 02:18:03 AM
Also, this show needs Mirror Master - Please bring in Mirror Master!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 13, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
He's on the next episode. Or the fourth one.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 15, 2016, 10:55:21 PM
Yeah he's definitely in the 4th episode

"The New Rogues" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-PG, LV) (HDTV)
<<<<SPOILERS>>>>; MIRROR MASTER AND THE TOP BATTLE WITH THE FLASH - Barry (Grant Gustin) continues to train <<<SPOILERS>>> and when a new meta human, Mirror Master (guest star Grey Damon), appears on the scene he lets her tag along. Mirror Master has teamed up with his old partner, Top (guest star Ashley Rickards), and is looking for <<<<SPOILERS>>>> to even a score. <<<SPOILER>>> is quick to join the chase but defies one of Barry's orders which results in disastrous consequences. Stefan Pleszczynski directed the episode written by Benjamin Raab & Deric A. Hughes (#304). Original airdate 10/25/2016.

I removed some details
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 16, 2016, 03:46:48 AM
!Zoinks!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 18, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
The actress playing Magenta has a weird face.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 19, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
Magenta shits all over FC Magneto.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 19, 2016, 03:20:26 AM
Loved Wells supporting Jesse to help Barry stop the tanker from crashing when the chips were down. Tom Cavanagh this show is great - I'm interested to see who the third character (The he mentioned he'd playing) is. I'm happy Jesse is having fun with her powers as well.

Wally's being whiney, though i can't say I wouldn't have tried the same thing in the same circumstances, but still, stop whining.

Overall, even with this being just the third episode, this season has been better than the last.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 19, 2016, 04:36:02 AM
Don't know about that last season had King Shark
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on October 19, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
This season is starting kinda slow for me. Whiny Barry face gets boring at times. It's good to have Wells back.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 19, 2016, 10:11:10 AM
Tom really made the outdated "not" reference work.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on October 19, 2016, 10:14:40 AM
Wells had me cracking up all night. More......tests!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 19, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
Did you see how far away Barry took Iris at mach 2?!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ytSFxfR.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 19, 2016, 10:38:19 PM
But Mirror Master, though. Boom.

riv has the right idea
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 19, 2016, 11:18:22 PM
Theory: Jay warned Barry about damaging the timeline because sometime after the 90's show ended he messed with the timeline causing his Mom and Dad to have never been married and his mom named him Jay. So 90's Barry Allen became Jay Garrick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on October 20, 2016, 09:53:55 AM
1) If they waited this long to introduce Mirror Master, he should be a multi-episode threat. He's one of Flash's 3 or 4 biggest rogues (with Zoom, Grodd, and Cold).

2) All the girls on this show are ridiculously hot. I never paid attention to Jesse last year, but she was super good looking this week. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 20, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
Das is gud.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 20, 2016, 05:56:09 PM
I like the idea of Mirror Master being a multi episode threat. Maybe while Barry is stuck in a mirror for a few eps and Jesse in confronting Mirror Master, she needs help and then Wally's powers develop right in a moment of need, to save his crush.

Boom!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 21, 2016, 11:13:04 PM
I hope that's the bait and switch - He gets approached  (We don't see) but turns him down and then, his powers surface in a moment of decision.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 22, 2016, 07:06:25 AM
I hope that's the bait and switch - He gets approached  (We don't see) but turns him down and then, his powers surface in a moment of decision.

I don't know. That would be great, but this show tends to treat Wally poorly. I mean, he jumped in front of a moving car. What if the driver swerved huge and hit a pole? Wall? Another car?

The writers gave us no build up or justification for him doing something that crazy. And then he shrugs it off like no big deal and is upset Jessie tried to stop him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on October 22, 2016, 10:33:49 PM
Well, yes the show does tend to show Wally as every negative of Barry with the exception of bravery. Still, the nuance they pulled off with all versions of Thawne gives me hope. The writing in this show benefits and suffers from having too many hands penning the script.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 26, 2016, 04:20:32 AM
Like I said no King Shark
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on October 26, 2016, 07:21:23 AM
Not a great episode.

I'm super excited for another season of "What's THIS Harrison Wells' deal?"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on October 26, 2016, 07:39:16 AM
Not a great episode.

I'm super excited for another season of "What's THIS Harrison Wells' deal?"

I really wish they'd keep Harry around. Are they shooting for a spinoff?  Or do they just not want two speedsters around at the moment?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on October 26, 2016, 07:43:28 AM
^^^Good point(s).

What a bland, bland Mirror Master.  :-\

Yeah, god he was terrible. What a waste.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 26, 2016, 09:26:33 AM
Not a great episode.

I'm super excited for another season of "What's THIS Harrison Wells' deal?"

They could turn this into "The Many Faces of Harrison Wells"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 26, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
Not a great episode.

I'm super excited for another season of "What's THIS Harrison Wells' deal?"

I really wish they'd keep Harry around. Are they shooting for a spinoff?  Or do they just not want two speedsters around at the moment?
I think that why.  They didn't want to have 2 speedsters and it would be hard to explain him staying while his daughter was on the other Earth still learning about her powers.  And I feel any Harrison Wells would be somewhat duplicitous .
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2016, 05:12:38 PM
http://www.cbr.com/arrow-diggle-will-confront-flash-about-the-consequences-of-flashpoint/?utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&view=lista
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on October 31, 2016, 02:47:11 PM
^^^The worst part is, they had to know how much fans were waiting for this. They completely dropped the ball.

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I really wish they'd keep Harry around. Are they shooting for a spinoff?
No clue, but the western and mime Wells-es did crack me up.

For Mirror Master, at least they mentioned Earth 2 having a more authentic version.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 02, 2016, 04:06:12 AM
^And the Draco development was nice; I'm glad he's got some depth to him and motivation, though he's still a douche.

Tom Cavanagh continues to be the highlight of this show and the Wells/Cisco chemistry is always fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 02, 2016, 08:04:22 AM
It will interesting to see where they go with Steve Jobs Wells. I wonder who his partner is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 02, 2016, 10:26:53 AM
His wife.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 02, 2016, 10:28:02 AM
Also there was the woman at the other lab who RF stole equipment from.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 15, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
*Sigh* Mirror Master and Shade renditions are garbage. That's a huge disappointment

EDIT: NOOOOOOOO another speedster as the big villain?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 15, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Savitar looks pretty cool though
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on November 16, 2016, 06:57:42 AM
Dr. Alchemy sounds exactly like the killer in the Saw movies. I keep waiting for him to want to play a game with Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 16, 2016, 07:17:37 AM
WTF? Another speedster as the big bad!? Holy fucking shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 16, 2016, 07:22:34 AM
I hate Savitar's look. And yes, another speedster villain is kind of lame. When are we getting the damn Rogues???
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 16, 2016, 08:18:16 AM
Dr. Alchemy sounds exactly like the killer in the Saw movies. I keep waiting for him to want to play a game with Barry.

Because it's the same actor
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 16, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
I hate Savitar's look. And yes, another speedster villain is kind of lame. When are we getting the damn Rogues???

Better than his look from the comics.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 16, 2016, 12:35:34 PM
I hate Savitar's look. And yes, another speedster villain is kind of lame. When are we getting the damn Rogues???

Better than his look from the comics.

We'll have to disagree here.

I hate Savitar's look. And yes, another speedster villain is kind of lame. When are we getting the damn Rogues???

We ARE. Theyre all lame though.

As a group, I mean.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 17, 2016, 12:53:19 AM
isnt weather Wizard, and that color coded guy still alive.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 17, 2016, 06:19:44 AM
Yep their alive

No sure why flash keeps killing its villians though
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 17, 2016, 01:10:51 PM
What's up with the redundant writing on this show? Every week someone walks off butt hurt about something and every week someone has to chase after them to "talk" to them. I'm really hoping that Savitar is one of the distractions sent by Alchemy, otherwise, wtf another speedster
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 17, 2016, 01:18:21 PM
And black flash is apparently going to appear too
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 17, 2016, 09:52:11 PM
Savitar looks like Megatron from the Transformers movies.

His comic costume was an even shittier version of the Kid Flash costume. Never thought that was possible until his introduction.

I'm unsure whether the Megatron costume is better though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 18, 2016, 07:51:39 PM
So how long before they reveal Malfoy is Alchemy/Savitar?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 18, 2016, 08:35:15 PM
Like 6 episodes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 18, 2016, 08:41:22 PM
They better not. I will shut the front door. I will shut it
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 18, 2016, 10:55:21 PM
CW is pretty straight forward... and you don't hire a relatively well known actor just to play "guy who annoys main character". And they made it clear last ep that he was not answering calls when Joe tried to reach him to be on the task force to get Alchemy. And he's an uncanny expert on metahumans that didn't exist in any other timeline... yet he exists in the same timeline as Alchemy who is bringing back metahumans from Flashpoint.

Hell, even if it isn't Malfoy, he should be Barry's #1 suspect considering Barry can compare and contrast the timelines he's been through. The fact that Barry HASN'T done this suggests to me thinks it is being subtle... like how they thought they were being subtle about Jay = Zoom... which later turned into Zoom was Fake Jay and also Zoom's time remnant clone was another Fake Jay and both fell in love with Caitlin (I guess?) and no one on team Flash realized two guys were both pretending to be Jay and then Zoom kills himself and says "uh oh" but then later Zoom says killing himself was all part of his plan and why weren't the time wraiths constantly hunting him down?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2016, 12:32:12 AM
I get Wally's wanting super powers, but after confronting Alchemy and people getting messed up all around him - Why pick up the amulet? I was proud of him for turning Dr. Alchemy down.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 19, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
It seemed like it got in his head and was calling to him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 19, 2016, 09:50:14 AM
Yeah, he was being compelled.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 19, 2016, 12:33:46 PM
I get Wally's wanting super powers, but after confronting Alchemy and people getting messed up all around him - Why pick up the amulet? I was proud of him for turning Dr. Alchemy down.
It's the Philosopher's Stone.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2016, 11:38:28 PM
Yeah, he was being compelled.
But Mind-Controlled?

I'd hope he'd prove his mettle to receive powers by virtue of turning them down, in favor of everything else.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2016, 06:31:06 AM
Yeah, he was being compelled.
But Mind-Controlled?

I'd hope he'd prove his mettle to receive powers by virtue of turning them down, in favor of everything else.

Who said he won't?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 20, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
Well, he didn't.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Well, he didn't.

The series isn't over. Very easy for Wally to get powers this way, reject them (and the price they come with) thus actually earning them.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 21, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
Everyone is expecting Malfoy to be Alchemy but I'm wondering if its going to be Eddie. He was suspect number one for every big reveal since Reverse Flash. It would be funny if it turns out to be him now that everyone let their guard down.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 21, 2016, 05:16:29 PM
I still think Draco will become Abra Kadabra. Think I'm alone in that, though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 21, 2016, 05:49:11 PM
That would be good.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 22, 2016, 08:05:20 PM
Well that was an owning. He must be going at least...Mach 4
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 22, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Uuuuuuuuh why so predictable Flash. Why?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 22, 2016, 10:29:11 PM
womp womp
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on November 23, 2016, 01:43:39 AM
Wow, what a surprising turn of events.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 23, 2016, 12:39:17 PM
Wow, what a surprising turn of events.

Its pretty much exactly like Dr. Alchemy from the comics but I was really hoping for a swerve.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 23, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
Watching the ep now. Soooooooooo there is absolutely no reason why Caitlin is becoming evil, huh? Powers typically seem to corrupt unbalanced people on this show, but with Caitlin, the show seems to be acting like having powers means she will automatically turn evil... and develop a new personality... and automatically want to kill her old friends.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 23, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
I think the key to her going crazy isn't the fact she has powers but the fact her powers are caused by Barry fucking the timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 23, 2016, 11:41:43 PM
I think the key to her going crazy isn't the fact she has powers but the fact her powers are caused by Barry fucking the timeline.

Except we don't know that for sure. She may have always been destined to get powers. She jumped on that assumption but it's meaningless, in any case. Cisco had powers and was evil on Earth 2. It stands to reason Caitlin would also get powers but be good. There was no reason to think she'd go bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 24, 2016, 12:37:27 AM
Well Caitlin was always someone who was on edge. Breaking bad for her doesn't seem that out there. Doing it so easily is an issue though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 24, 2016, 01:20:24 AM
I think the key to her going crazy isn't the fact she has powers but the fact her powers are caused by Barry fucking the timeline.

Except we don't know that for sure. She may have always been destined to get powers. She jumped on that assumption but it's meaningless, in any case. Cisco had powers and was evil on Earth 2. It stands to reason Caitlin would also get powers but be good. There was no reason to think she'd go bad.

There is also no reason to say just because she's good her powers shouldn't come with some negative aspect like psychoses
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 24, 2016, 08:00:28 AM
I think the key to her going crazy isn't the fact she has powers but the fact her powers are caused by Barry fucking the timeline.

Except we don't know that for sure. She may have always been destined to get powers. She jumped on that assumption but it's meaningless, in any case. Cisco had powers and was evil on Earth 2. It stands to reason Caitlin would also get powers but be good. There was no reason to think she'd go bad.

There is also no reason to say just because she's good her powers shouldn't come with some negative aspect like psychoses

Yet the show has made no mention of this. If she has mental issues being triggered by the onset of her powers, why aren't her friends getting help for her?

Everyone is acting like the powers are creating a new person, and that by the magic of Barry's charisma, he was able to draw forth Caitlin and banish KF.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 24, 2016, 08:30:07 AM
^^^^^Exactly. It's pretty forced drama in Caitlin's case.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 24, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
There's some days where I want to kill my friends for no odd reason. One time one just made eye contact while I was eating

Not sure why people think Canadians are nice
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 24, 2016, 10:33:45 AM
I think the key to her going crazy isn't the fact she has powers but the fact her powers are caused by Barry fucking the timeline.

Except we don't know that for sure. She may have always been destined to get powers. She jumped on that assumption but it's meaningless, in any case. Cisco had powers and was evil on Earth 2. It stands to reason Caitlin would also get powers but be good. There was no reason to think she'd go bad.

There is also no reason to say just because she's good her powers shouldn't come with some negative aspect like psychoses

Yet the show has made no mention of this. If she has mental issues being triggered by the onset of her powers, why aren't her friends getting help for her?

Everyone is acting like the powers are creating a new person, and that by the magic of Barry's charisma, he was able to draw forth Caitlin and banish KF.

Yeah but the psychosis could be a negative part of her powers. Like the extreme cold she generates is messing with her brain chemistry. My main point is that having powers can effect people in many different ways and just because bad people are worse and good people are better most of the time with Caitlyn it might just be a shitty deal.

Is that really hard of a mental leap to make in a world where someone with the last name Snow ends up with ice powers?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 24, 2016, 01:21:58 PM
So. Why. Hasn't. The. Show. Addressed. That. Neo?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 24, 2016, 04:26:13 PM
Because it just happening now. Her mom straight up said her powers are messing with her head.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 24, 2016, 07:04:14 PM
I would bet hard cash they never even attempt to get her treatment nor even mention any legitimate mental disorders to be treated.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: superlurker on November 24, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
Is that really hard of a mental leap to make in a world where someone with the last name Snow ends up with ice powers?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 25, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Maybe?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 25, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
It was cool seeing Wally just stand there in vibrate at superspeed so casually - Reminded me of Barry in Kingdom Come.

Catlin going evil didn't make sense. She's fallen into the very logical fallacy this show fights against all the more with every episode - DESTINEY is not set, it isn't a thing. Stop it.

Anyway, Savitar looked cool, if maybe a tad too Robocop 2-like. I'm happy he isn't just another guy in leather though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 27, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
So what we're like 9 Eps into a new season and have 4 new speedster.  Not good flash and lazy
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on November 27, 2016, 03:48:45 PM
It's no different than arrow and archer/ninja types and supergirl with aliens.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 27, 2016, 06:54:52 PM
It's no different than arrow and archer/ninja types and supergirl with aliens.

Its a little more obvious though since anyone can be an archer/ninja and there are a variety of aliens. Being a speedster is a very specific power set.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on November 27, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
It's no different than arrow and archer/ninja types and supergirl with aliens.

Its a little more obvious though since anyone can be an archer/ninja and there are a variety of aliens. Being a speedster is a very specific power set.

I'm just hoping they do something different with him, considering his mentor/new friend this season is already revealed as one of the big villains.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 27, 2016, 10:24:27 PM
I hope Savitar isn't altogether evil, but more of a necessary chaotic neutral.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on November 29, 2016, 08:06:36 PM
Is it just me, or is the music and SFX on CW shows, like, 10 times louder than the dialogue this week? Noticed it on Supergirl last night, and it's happening again on Flash. I'm having to jack up the volume to hear them talk, but everything else is too fucking loud.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 29, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
so far really good

Although having some stay behind because an argument kind of dumb of them but makes sense considering the argument.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 29, 2016, 09:37:50 PM
So with one line the CW has launched a shit ton of White Canary/Supegirl fanfiction.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 29, 2016, 09:39:17 PM
....All written by -K-M-
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 29, 2016, 09:56:23 PM
Damn I wonder who else lives have been charged they haven't  shown other than Stein.  Also really liked Ollie backing Barry and the pep talk he gave him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 29, 2016, 10:16:50 PM
Yea, Barry fucked up.  He might of bene better keeping flashpoint the way it was
Because that world seem...ok.  I mean Wally got injured a bit but seem like he can get out of it


Also this was the most crossover..crossover in a while. guess Supergirl pretty fucking powerfull
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 29, 2016, 10:18:06 PM
that said the Ledgends have no place in to getting on Barry for F'ing up the time line..with them having a shooting out in the 80's era time house.  With their body count..many people weren't born.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on November 29, 2016, 10:23:33 PM
Yeah, and having affairs with women in the past and all kinds of other nonsense. She shouldn't have been giving that speech
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 29, 2016, 10:27:19 PM
that and she only RECENTLY stop trying to get Damien Dark. The she blab out his whole future to him. The future he now using a time machine to avoid.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on November 29, 2016, 10:27:45 PM
The entirety of LoT flies in the face of Flash season 3's moral lesson.







Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 29, 2016, 10:37:03 PM
Yeah, and having affairs with women in the past and all kinds of other nonsense. She shouldn't have been giving that speech

In her defense, its not like she can litter the past with children lezzing it out with women.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on November 30, 2016, 05:06:07 AM
Yeah, and having affairs with women in the past and all kinds of other nonsense. She shouldn't have been giving that speech

In her defense, its not like she can litter the past with children lezzing it out with women.

She could stop some woman from having children by awakening lesbian urges in women who might have at least waited to find out instead of scissoring a sexy blonde time traveling ninja
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 30, 2016, 06:09:35 AM
The entirety of LoT flies in the face of Flash season 3's moral lesson.

No they show what happens when ppl  do what Barry does.  They should have used them to make Barry fix the whole Flashpoint thing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on November 30, 2016, 07:32:42 AM
I think I might start watching Supergirl after all this. She's a pretty fun character.

Honestly, out of the 4 shows crossing over, Flash is the only one I watch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 30, 2016, 09:17:57 AM
I always love Diggles interactions with Flash
Diggle " I swear to god my life was normal before I met you Barry"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on November 30, 2016, 10:37:55 PM
I always love Diggles interactions with Flash
Diggle " I swear to god my life was normal before I met you Barry"

"I never did drugs. I was afraid that I'd see weird stuff." DIGGLE!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 01, 2016, 02:48:37 AM
I think I might start watching Supergirl after all this. She's a pretty fun character.

Honestly, out of the 4 shows crossing over, Flash is the only one I watch.

Aye, Supergirl and Flash are the most fun to watch. Supergirl thus far is absent a lot of the forced drama of a CW show. The only drawback of Supergirl is that aside from Melissa Benoist (Who kills it), the acting is a step back from Flash.

Flash's "Invasion" ep. was great! Some truly clap-worthy visuals of the heroes battling and especially Barry throwing lightning at Kara, Ray and Firestorm.

Best part was Ollie standing by Barry in spite of his mistake of creating Flashpoint. "You made a mistake; it's part of the job" - I loved that, they didn't sign on for normal lives, Barry made a mistake, it not "okay", yet he's now doing the right thing, and do finish that he needs everyone's help.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 01, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Hey now Ally McBeal is also friggin great and on pair with the best of them. It sucks she left in the second season
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on December 01, 2016, 10:57:10 AM
That may have been the best Flash ep ever!!! Wow. The writers really screwed up last season but this was awesome. When Sara threw her shurikens at Ollie and Barry, i was hyped at how badass the visuals were. No one really jobbed. Kara laughing at their attacks was perfect. After Wally came in for the save, you just knew something was about to happen
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 01, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
Flash just had a mini quicksilver like feat in legends of tomorrow
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 01, 2016, 09:07:35 PM
so wait In the orginaly time line was stein not taking his wife to bone town on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 01, 2016, 09:14:48 PM
so wait In the orginaly time line was stein not taking his wife to bone town on a regular basis.

They just never had a kid. But Stein himself messed with the timeline by talking to his younger self about his future wife. Can't pin this change on Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 01, 2016, 10:57:46 PM
^ I forgot about that.

Cisco needs to stop being a twat about this.

I'm glad theCWVerse is growing with so many different characters, sometimes they seem to forget the character work they put in to their 1st wave.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 01, 2016, 11:15:34 PM
Dante may have been destined to die in the original timeline. But then RF killed Barry's mom. They were all living in an alternate timeline with RF pretending to be Wells. Sure, Dante wasn't dead in the alternate timeline... yet. Who knows.

Then Barry made Flashpoint, which was crazy pants different for some reason. And then Barry changed it again by letting his mom die again... but RF didn't pretend to be Wells this time (maybe?) and has been running around fucking time in LoT.

So there is no way of knowing if Barry's actions have actually caused Dante to die. Barry might have made things more like how they should have been all along. Or maybe RF's new bullshit is altering the timeline. Or maybe the Legends team are fucking stuff up huge.

I can understand Cisco having a gut reaction of blaming Barry because humans are emotional at times... and Barry has the power to change things.

But Cisco should have had enough time by now to realize Barry may not be at fault and that further attempts to change time could make things worse. Supervillain brother? Never had a brother at all? Whole family dead? Cisco supervillain?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 01, 2016, 11:24:03 PM
It only been a few days it takes time to process that kind of information
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: wowie on December 03, 2016, 12:22:57 PM
sweet!!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Liam on December 05, 2016, 01:36:22 AM
Calling it: Savitar is Cisco's brother.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2016, 08:24:22 AM
Calling it: Savitar is Cisco's brother.

Solid call.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 05, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Cisco's brother was evil on Earth 2, right?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2016, 04:30:21 PM
I don't remember him from Earth 2.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 06:13:05 AM
Cisco's brother was evil on Earth 2, right?

Yeah. Had a staff of power and called himself rupture. Really don't remember much of the other details like how his staff was powered

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 07:34:28 AM
He didn't last very long
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Well ok then.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 06, 2016, 12:30:37 PM
To be fair, it is lazier and cheaper to just keep casting the same actors in different roles. Barry's dad is also Earth 3 Flash. Wells was also fake Wells, Earth 2 Wells, and Earth 16 (or whatever) Wells. Various normal Earth 1 people were evil super villains on Earth 2.

So Dante being an Earth 2 villain and also Savitar? Sure.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 01:53:39 PM
I'm OK if Dante turns out to be Savitar. They tend to telegraph these reveals but until Liam mentioned it, it really didn't occurred to me as a possibility.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 01:56:22 PM
And the reason he could "port" around the city dragging Barry was because he was vibing. I don't like it but can see it happening
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
I think we are going to find out tonight so we will see.

Oh also, whoever I argued with about them calling Wally "Kid Flash" on the show. You were right. I was wrong. You won this round.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 02:56:08 PM
It was with me  >:(

Surprise surprise
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 03:35:44 PM
...you're mad I conceded? The internet is weird.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 03:38:44 PM
Clearly I was kidding there due to the QS vs flash thread

Are my posts really that hard to read? I did have to literally repeat myself 20+ times in that thread
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
I too was the kidding.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 06, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
F you then  >:(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 06, 2016, 08:05:17 PM
I'm OK if Dante turns out to be Savitar. They tend to telegraph these reveals but until Liam mentioned it, it really didn't occurred to me as a possibility.

There's the telegraph.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on December 06, 2016, 09:05:09 PM
Jesus. They even telegraphed it in the "recently on flash" summary.

I'm not okay with Barry "creating" savitar but other world's knowing about him.

My only hope for this season is they'll hopefully have no other speedsters to use as the big bad next season.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
This episode was meh. I want more Jokester.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2016, 10:17:48 PM
So Caitlyn is going to let Malfoy Slytherin.

So he's gonna die.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 07, 2016, 01:23:37 AM
The SFX for Savitar tossing Jay a beating was incredible for a tv-show. I thought they would have blown all their money with the crossover.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Abhilegend on December 07, 2016, 02:08:18 AM
Jay was fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 07, 2016, 03:33:58 AM
Yeah he was. "...you have to live your life." Of all things in that moment, Jay knew Barry had to grow from what just happened. Often being the hero, you roll with the punches, you have to.

Theories on how Savitar comes back? - If it is a current character (Wally), I'm thinking the Savitar that Barry saw kill Iris, wasn't the one that got locked in the box, but the birth of a new one. - Cause and effect type of phenomenon.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on December 07, 2016, 06:33:27 AM
Yeah. I got ahead of myself with the dante thing, and I'm holding out hope that he's an actual god and not some friend gone evil. But I have no faith in the flash writers after season 2 so it's probably still dante or robbie or connected to earth whateverthehell Wells in some way or some other dumb shit

I looked down at my phone as they were throwing the box and then looked back up and Iris was getting murdered and I was fucking lost. Thank Savitar for tivo.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 07, 2016, 08:05:19 AM
Yeah he was. "...you have to live your life." Of all things in that moment, Jay knew Barry had to grow from what just happened. Often being the hero, you roll with the punches, you have to.

Theories on how Savitar comes back? - If it is a current character (Wally), I'm thinking the Savitar that Barry saw kill Iris, wasn't the one that got locked in the box, but the birth of a new one. - Cause and effect type of phenomenon.

Savitar says, "I'm the future, Flash." or "I'm the Future Flash." So since Savitar is from the future the one that we saw kill Iris could be Savitar from earlier in his personal timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Abhilegend on December 07, 2016, 08:07:06 AM
Yeah he was. "...you have to live your life." Of all things in that moment, Jay knew Barry had to grow from what just happened. Often being the hero, you roll with the punches, you have to.

Theories on how Savitar comes back? - If it is a current character (Wally), I'm thinking the Savitar that Barry saw kill Iris, wasn't the one that got locked in the box, but the birth of a new one. - Cause and effect type of phenomenon.
All I needed extra was an Alan Scott reference and everything they ever did wrong would be forgotten.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on December 07, 2016, 10:50:40 AM
Yeah he was. "...you have to live your life." Of all things in that moment, Jay knew Barry had to grow from what just happened. Often being the hero, you roll with the punches, you have to.

Theories on how Savitar comes back? - If it is a current character (Wally), I'm thinking the Savitar that Barry saw kill Iris, wasn't the one that got locked in the box, but the birth of a new one. - Cause and effect type of phenomenon.

Savitar says, "I'm the future, Flash." or "I'm the Future Flash." So since Savitar is from the future the one that we saw kill Iris could be Savitar from earlier in his personal timeline.
I was going to ask about that future flash comment. Was he really saying that he takes on the mantle in the future and did Barry and Jay do exactly what Savitar said they'd do by throwing him into the speed force? If I'm not mistaken, Comic book Savitar isn't from the future. Jay's origin story or Savi was a myth or what? Oh and uh how did Jay survive that fall from a fucking rooftop and not have every bone in his body shattered?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 08, 2016, 04:38:36 AM
Yeah he was. "...you have to live your life." Of all things in that moment, Jay knew Barry had to grow from what just happened. Often being the hero, you roll with the punches, you have to.

Theories on how Savitar comes back? - If it is a current character (Wally), I'm thinking the Savitar that Barry saw kill Iris, wasn't the one that got locked in the box, but the birth of a new one. - Cause and effect type of phenomenon.

Savitar says, "I'm the future, Flash." or "I'm the Future Flash." So since Savitar is from the future the one that we saw kill Iris could be Savitar from earlier in his personal timeline.
I'm leaning towards that. Barry will be confronted with changing time to save a loved one, but this time, won't cave.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 08, 2016, 02:00:44 PM
Headache inducing. Thats what this show is. I wish they'd left time travel alone.

I thought last season did a great job of helping Barry get over his mom's death and stop trying to fuck around with the day she died. And then his dad died... OK. Why not travel back half a day to save him? Saving his mom in no way guaranteed that Zoom wouldn't kill his dad. Hell, maybe. Ok would be the one to kill his mom. It was dumb.

But hey, the show acknowledged it was an emotional decision. Still, Flashpoint was a nice universe. Wally got injured... who cares. Barry and others have been wrecked by villains. Barry scrapping Flashpoint was the dumbest decision of the show. And you can't e fuse it by saying Barry made a spur of the moment emotional decision. This wasn't as tragic as death of a parent. Barry sees other people die and get hurt often. Yet he still scrapped an entire timeline... guh.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 08, 2016, 02:57:06 PM
Pretty sure Wally died. He wasn't just injured.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 08, 2016, 03:01:27 PM
Pretty sure Wally died. He wasn't just injured.

Really? Guess I missed that because the injury seemed generic compared to some of the stuff Barry has survived.

And even if so, why not go back 10 minutes and prevent Wally's death? Why go back to erase the timeline entirely? Are all of those versions of people now "dead" in a manner of speaking?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on December 08, 2016, 03:02:47 PM
I think it was a sense of "I've just played god with everyone's lives", and he realized he never should have done it. So he scrapped it to try to make everything normal again, but that obviously didn't work.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 08, 2016, 04:41:25 PM
What Not Bamf said. Saving Wally might cause Iris to die, Joe, etc.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 09, 2016, 06:59:18 AM
I think it was a sense of "I've just played god with everyone's lives", and he realized he never should have done it. So he scrapped it to try to make everything normal again, but that obviously didn't work.

Except that the next episode he tried to go back AGAIN until Jay stopped him. So Barry was perfectly willing to keep playing god until he got a pep talk.

Anyway, saw the latest episode. So now we have season 1 villain: guy from future with grudge against Flash. Season 2 villain: guy from other universe and time travelled who has grudge against all other speedsters. Season 3 villain: god from future who has a grudge against Flash.

My guess for season 4: Ancient speedster who travels to present and wants to kill Barry for his speed. Season 5: team of speedster hunters who have killed various alternate universe Barrys. Season 6: an evil alien speedster from the future with a grudge against Flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on December 09, 2016, 05:19:34 PM
Yeah, Barry's speed reasoning isn't best. Of course neither is Cisco's - In the crossover after they created the government thug in the past they had to deal with in the future, Cisco seemed astounded that intentions don't always equal results and that time effects ripple. Of course than he was like, "I guess Barry was trying to do a good thing and it didn't work out right, just like us...".

^Frustrating.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 09, 2016, 11:10:30 PM
what complicated it, tecenically they been living in an alternate time line sense day 1.  When Zoom went back in time, killed barrys mom and took over Wells

Let that didn't get the aliens attention, or get time ghost after him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 09, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
Well it doesn't seem like The Dominators have any time travel capabilities and RF is actually a byproduct of Barry so it still comes back to him.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 09, 2016, 11:36:24 PM
how is the orginal reverse flash a byproduct of barry
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 09, 2016, 11:41:02 PM
He becomes RF because he's obsessed with Barry. His obsession is what makes him become RF and go back in time to kill his mom.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 10, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
Ahhj thought you meant he created him via time travel or tossing him in a vat of ace chemicals
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on December 10, 2016, 11:29:21 AM
My take is that the Dominators were lying. They were hoping to take a powerhouse away from Earth with a lie. Same guys who murdered the president and several secret service just to set a trap. And who murdered and kidnapped a bunch of army guys just to get intel on Earth.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 10, 2016, 11:51:00 PM
This story was ripped straight from the comics. Mutagene was their main concern there too and didn't care about killing anyone as they wanted to remove the metas as they were a threat
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 01, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
"I have knocked you down! I win the fight to the death even though you're not hurt and can keep fighting"

"You sure did Cisco! Now just finish me off!"

 ???
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on February 01, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
Yeah, that was pretty lame but predictable.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 02, 2017, 02:20:33 AM
Yeah, that was pretty lame but predictable.

That passed me off and was lazy writing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 02, 2017, 12:57:05 PM
It didn't have to get bloody. But they could have at least fought each other. They just kept pushing each other through portals until  Cisco knocked her down. It was the least exciting fight to the death ever.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on February 02, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
i guess she just didn't really want to fight him. At the same time, the writing for this show isn't all that great so you can't be too surprised. Whiny face Barry is more concerned about being faster than Savitar as opposed to the possibility that Cisco could die in less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 11, 2017, 04:28:35 PM
Actually 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on February 16, 2017, 09:06:03 PM
Minor gripes: The "Kid" Flash name is borderline demeaning due to Wally being just a few years younger.

Also, CCPD sees many hours per day when neither of their extremely overqualified forensic scientists are working. Just a big empty office for hours each day.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 23, 2017, 08:01:47 AM
Minor gripes: The "Kid" Flash name is borderline demeaning due to Wally being just a few years younger.

Also, CCPD sees many hours per day when neither of their extremely overqualified forensic scientists are working. Just a big empty office for hours each day.

I don't mind it too much. He really owns it in costume. It hasn't made me outright cringe yet like some superheroes rocking their names. (Basically all of x-men)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 23, 2017, 08:04:14 AM
Tom Cavanaugh is a great actor. He's played so many characters and now he even played Grodd.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 23, 2017, 08:09:06 AM
Tom Cavanaugh is a great actor. He's played so many characters and now he even played Grodd.

The exchange between him and Jesse was so weird.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 23, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
Minor gripes: The "Kid" Flash name is borderline demeaning due to Wally being just a few years younger.

Also, CCPD sees many hours per day when neither of their extremely overqualified forensic scientists are working. Just a big empty office for hours each day.

I don't mind it too much. He really owns it in costume. It hasn't made me outright cringe yet like some superheroes rocking their names. (Basically all of x-men)

Yeah for some reason I find it odd that him being called Kid Flash doesn't bother me as much as it should.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 23, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
The name and costume were stupid in comics and they're stupid on the show.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 23, 2017, 05:06:27 PM
I would switch his name to Impluse now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 23, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
^^^Kid Impulse.

AKA give it a couple seasons, and we'll see some version of Bart.
Bart tried to get Wally to go by Kid Impulse during Sins of Youth. Fortunately Bart talked shit about the shitty Kid Flash outfit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on February 23, 2017, 06:13:34 PM
Minor gripes: The "Kid" Flash name is borderline demeaning due to Wally being just a few years younger.

Also, CCPD sees many hours per day when neither of their extremely overqualified forensic scientists are working. Just a big empty office for hours each day.

I don't mind it too much. He really owns it in costume. It hasn't made me outright cringe yet like some superheroes rocking their names. (Basically all of x-men)

Yeah for some reason I find it odd that him being called Kid Flash doesn't bother me as much as it should.
Its cuz he's black. Its like a rap name.

So lil flash or yung flash, basically
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 23, 2017, 07:27:06 PM
Childish Flashbino.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 28, 2017, 09:25:14 PM
Pretty impressive speed feat. Reacts after a bullet is already fired and moves so quick he saves joe from shooting himself in the head near point blank
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on March 07, 2017, 02:59:58 PM
I dug the HR/Harry back-and-forth.

I also dig Jesse Quick coming to Earth 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on March 08, 2017, 04:06:04 AM
The Iris drama is always contrived, but in "Wrath of Savitar", they finally lost me. - She's upset that seeing her death, Barry realized how much he loved her and proposed, hoping to save her from a doomed future?!

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 08, 2017, 07:16:19 PM
https://gfycat.com/FewRemoteAmericanwarmblood
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on March 08, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
I know we bring this up every season, but does anyone think savitar is eddie? His little "you made me" speech and various other things like "you're never fast enough to save the people you care about" lines got me thinking about it.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 08, 2017, 09:31:32 PM
Nah I think its some future version of Barry. I'm actually going with he's Barry after disappearing in the newspaper "Crisis"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on March 08, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
Oh god. I hope that isn't true. Because then Iris will obviously have to break up with Barry because he never loved her enough to not stab her to death and blah blah cw drama bullshit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 08, 2017, 09:39:41 PM
Well he said "I'm the Future Flash." before. And then he said it again this episode with no pause between Future and Flash, to make it sound like, "I'm the future, Flash."
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Ditto on March 08, 2017, 09:43:02 PM
Oh, I thought I noticed a pause. Maybe I'll rewatch it. I'm gonna be annoyed if it's barry.

Really I'm annoyed there's another speedster villain in the first place, but Tom Felton and HR have saved this season for me.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on March 13, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
I do genuinely enjoy this show still, even with all the speed villains. The supporting cast is just so strong.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 15, 2017, 05:51:12 PM
Wally is useless.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 15, 2017, 06:02:21 PM
I'll take him over Barry "I'm just gonna stand here until someone tells me what to do" Allen.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on March 15, 2017, 06:58:28 PM
Can we change the Flash series to not the Fastest man alive. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 15, 2017, 07:22:32 PM
I'll take him over Barry "I'm just gonna stand here until someone tells me what to do" Allen.
You can have him. "I can do it on my own! I don't need anybody! :'( " *fails consistently*


He copies Barry's winning technique of "Run even faster" and gets tricked into the Speed Force like a bitch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 15, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Both Barry and Wally are idiots. Barry's also kind of an asshole.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on March 15, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
I want a Jay Garrick series. Post haste.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 15, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
Yeah they can call it Flash:The Most Competent Speedster Alive
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on March 16, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
At least Wally is relatively new at the game and Barry was being a asshole about training him. After 2+ seasons Barry  still needs his team to tell him how to do basic shit.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 17, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
Yeah The Accelerated Man of Earth 19
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 22, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
Well, that was dissapointing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
yeah I was expecting more. It wasn't even half as good as Once More With Feeling.

Making Music Miester some type of god dealing out lessons was a cop out. I would have had him have some type of harmonic power that caused everyone to be off balanced until they synched with his powers by incorporating singing and dancing with their attacks.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
Also

Barry shouldn't really know much about Superman so I don't know why he would reference him.
It makes no sense their dream world would have Malcolm in it. Has Barry even met Malcolm?
Did Music Miester even call himself that? Why would that be his name if the dream world can manifest as any genre?
They have some fantastic singers to work with yet it looked like everyone was lip singing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 22, 2017, 12:49:08 PM
Nowhere nearOnce More With Feeling.

He did refer to himself as the Music Meister, iirc. And Barry hasn't met Malcolm but is probably aware of him. Same with Superman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2017, 01:10:51 PM
I get he would be aware of him but if the world is a manifestation made from their thoughts how would he know what Malcolm looked like?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on March 22, 2017, 01:21:40 PM
Pretty sure he'd have seen a picture in the news. Especially after Malcom killed hundreds with an earthquake machine.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
Ok that makes sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 23, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
I rather liked it, mostly.
I got weepy when Barry sang/proposed to Iris.

(stops lifting weights for a second)

pussy

(continues lifting weights)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Bandido on March 26, 2017, 03:51:03 PM
Such a good episode! Melissa Benoist somehow Eve hotter now that I know she can sing. - Never watched Glee. More importantly, this felt like a comic book, fun even with high stakes, no contrived drama. Good stuff.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 27, 2017, 01:41:44 AM
Melissa Benoist is so damn toned and sexy....looking at her I can almost get by how corny and poorly written Supergirl is. ALMOST.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 28, 2017, 09:00:32 PM
Good episode. I liked Abra Kadabra. I know their going to have adventures in the future...but stop killing your villains. Hopefully he escapes
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 28, 2017, 10:29:07 PM
I think they name dropped the villain for next season. Abra mentions a list of Barry's biggest villains Thawne, Zoom, and DeVoe. No one named DeVoe has been on the show yet. It is probably this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinker_(DC_Comics)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 26, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Decent episode. Was disappointed even in the future mirror master hasn't become more like the MM we know. Also flash "upgraded" suit was ok I guess

But next week the identity of savitar will be revealed. Who will it be?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 26, 2017, 01:10:45 PM
The only two people that I can see her allying herself with are Robbie and Hunter.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
Where/when did Barry get a new suit? If he quit after Iris died then when did Cisco make him a new one?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 26, 2017, 01:22:36 PM
It seems like he didn't give up immediately. He seemed to have a lot more history with Top and Mirror Master also
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 02:41:11 PM
It seems like he didn't give up immediately. He seemed to have a lot more history with Top and Mirror Master also

This makes sense. They just made it sound like Iris' death broke him so completely that it happened almost immediately.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on April 26, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
It seems like he didn't give up immediately. He seemed to have a lot more history with Top and Mirror Master also

This makes sense. They just made it sound like Iris' death broke him so completely that it happened almost immediately.

from what i gathered. Barry basicly just got obssed with hunting down Savitar and vanishing him. Which he did but at cost of everything else
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 26, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Sooooo is Savitar Eddie Thawne maybe?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 26, 2017, 04:29:08 PM
I don't think so only because I don't know why Caitlin would just follow him on first sight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on April 26, 2017, 04:56:13 PM
Who else could it be? Unless it's Barry himself in some twist. Or maybe Jay Garrick.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 05:03:31 PM
Its Jessie
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 05:12:31 PM
It's Ronnie because this show just doesn't care if it makes sense or not.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 26, 2017, 07:47:04 PM
I have sadly given up on this show as of Gorilla City stuff. It just isn't enticing me to continue watching.

If the finale sounds good, I may go back and binge the last episodes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 27, 2017, 11:19:41 AM
The idea we have another season with the exact same premise as the first two is comical. There's no need to have a mystery reveal. Especially since it seems as though it'll be someone they know and trust and who worked directly with Team Flash. Going by the last ep it would have to be Barry, Ronnie, Cisco or Wells. But really the only person KF would have that type of loyalty would be her fiancé.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 27, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
And yet, there are many fans that somehow claim this show is the best live-action superhero show and AoS is trash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 27, 2017, 11:40:23 AM
Yeah I don't get that at all. Flash has been going downhill since that Zoom reveal.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 27, 2017, 12:32:42 PM
The idea we have another season with the exact same premise as the first two is comical. There's no need to have a mystery reveal. Especially since it seems as though it'll be someone they know and trust and who worked directly with Team Flash. Going by the last ep it would have to be Barry, Ronnie, Cisco or Wells. But really the only person KF would have that type of loyalty would be her fiancé.

It could be Hunter too since she had a relationship with him and now her powers have corrupted her. Of course they would have to fucking explain how he survived the wraith.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 27, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
I had forgotten all about Hunter. Could be him with the way she fell in line
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on April 27, 2017, 01:38:13 PM
I don't think they'd have the same big bad two seasons in a row.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 27, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
You never know with these writers
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 27, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
At least next season wont be a speedster.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 27, 2017, 09:18:43 PM
Yeah I don't get that at all. Flash has been going downhill since that Zoom reveal.

Yep. Season 2 started off promising and then became an absolute clusterfuck of no -sense by the end. Individual episodes were still entertaining generally, but the overarching storyline was very poorly thought out and really had no tension at the end.

And season 3, for me, just kept losing that sense of tension/urgency. I love a positive hero with humor, but soon it became too much fluff with not enough substance. These characters never seem to learn or grow beyond some superficial changes. I guess Caitlyn is changing, but it's basically, "My powers make me evil. Why? Just because."

I think they just need a fresh set of writers. The current group just feels spent. They have some decent inidividual episode ideas, but their season spanning stories are repetitive, inconsistent, and a bit dull. They seemingly blew their wad in season 1.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on April 27, 2017, 10:43:10 PM
I totally agree with you. There was a time when I would rush to see the show, now I get to it when I can. I got bored with whiny face Barry and the numerous "I'll go talk to him/her" lines. It became a soap show. At least whiny face paid off for this future Barry. Hell they should just jump to the future and start fresh with 2024 Barry
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 27, 2017, 11:20:33 PM
That was another problem for season 3. I spent two seasons investing in Team Flash. Then Barry erased them all from the timeline, did another reboot to try and get them back, but nope... all the relationships and histories were different... yet somewhat the same. Which is frustrating.

I mean, if you're going to take such a major change, really explore it. Harry doesn't know these fucking people. Their Barry is gone, and his team Flash are gone. This is not the same Iris he loved or the same Joe that raised him. Dive into that shit. Instead, we just get some whining about how Barry's time travel ruined people's lives because completely unexpected consequences arose from Barry trying to stop his mom from being murdered.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on April 28, 2017, 08:19:57 AM
Barry seems content to pine over any Iris he can find. I remember on Earth-2 he abandoned his mission in season 2 to just spend the day with Earth-2 Iris while her real husband was KOed... which later led to Earth-2 Joe getting killed.

Barry seemed to be in love with Flashpoint Iris IIRC. And he's just as in love with this post-Flashpoint Iris who he never actuallly shared a life with. Close, but not the same woman. Other people have pointed this out to Barry in the past, but the writers seem to enjoy having Barry act this way.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
To be fair, in ANY reality, Iris still looks like Candice Patton so...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 02, 2017, 09:01:13 PM
Savitar revealed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 02, 2017, 10:57:40 PM
And it was exactly who I thought it was originally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 02, 2017, 11:14:19 PM
Honestly I stopped caring about who he was weeks go
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Kallor on May 03, 2017, 12:39:19 AM
And it was exactly who I thought it was originally.

I remembered the funny pics you posted of it while I watched today lol.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 03, 2017, 01:58:01 AM
Knowing who it is makes me think they should expand their budget to get some more actors on as different characters.  I'm like wtf?  You guys couldn't find someone for the fucking role of Saviitar? 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
I'm hoping its Barry after he sacrifices himself in Crisis.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 03, 2017, 04:03:29 PM
Watch it be the time remnant that "died" in the fight with zoom. Season 2 finale
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 03, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
I didnt find her hot until she wore the right outfit.
She looks great in simple form fitting dresses.
WTF
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 03, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
You see I didn't even bother to respond, right?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 03, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
Yeah, just noticed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Watch it be the time remnant that "died" in the fight with zoom. Season 2 finale

That wouldn't make any sense since that time remnant was created at that moment so it didn't exist long enough to even have gone through these events.

But if it is going to be a time remnant I think I know which one it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfv2YaO-wE

Future Barry tells Barry that to fight Savitar he creates some time remnants but Savitar kills them all "mostly". So there was 1 or some left after that fight.

edit: Which would mean basically Barry created Savitar to fight Savitar so Savitar let Savitar live so he will turn into Savitar and go back in time to force Barry to create Savitar.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 09:57:10 AM
Another theory. Somehow Savitar is a time remnant of Flashpoint Barry and he's pissed Barry changed things back from his perfect world. This is why he was able to empower Alchemy with the ability to give people who had powers in Flashpoint their powers back.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 05, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
That what a lot of ppl are throwing around.  Honestly I think it gonna be something dumb.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 05, 2017, 03:40:15 PM
Was any explanation given as to why Evil Barry was hiding his ID as Sav? His rep goes back a long way, and Jay knew about him being a threat in other universes... but only as Savitar.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 05, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Cause time travel.  But if he's the time remnant from the end of last season he need to hid his identity and stay away from Barry until he came into being.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 08:55:20 AM
Yeah it seems like an odd thing they did a bunch of stuff with then dropped.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 06, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
WELCOME TO THE FLASH!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 08, 2017, 07:45:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HhdVCTZ.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8A-N_KigM

3 episodes left and they are gonna work in Cold and King Shark.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 08, 2017, 08:36:17 PM
Another theory. Somehow Savitar is a time remnant of Flashpoint Barry and he's pissed Barry changed things back from his perfect world. This is why he was able to empower Alchemy with the ability to give people who had powers in Flashpoint their powers back.
That would go a long way to explaining the giving ppl powers thing, which doesnt really fit anywhere else.

Even with that, it still makes no sense. But, fuck it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 08:38:14 PM
Pretty much any version of Barry I can think of leads to plot holes.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 08, 2017, 08:54:34 PM
I'm beginning to relate to Eobard.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 09, 2017, 01:24:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8A-N_KigM

3 episodes left and they are gonna work in Cold and King Shark.

I don't understand why they killed him in the first place. And they realize it was a fuck up and always have to figure out ways to write him in stories now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 09, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Shouldn't they leave Barry in the dark for any plan to stop Savitar? Seems like common sense now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Master on May 09, 2017, 09:19:56 PM
Shouldn't they leave Barry in the dark for any plan to stop Savitar? Seems like common sense now.

Common sense would dictate that a man with super speed could escape a swarm of bees in an office building without needing help from a room of scientists.

Common sense would dictacte that Earth would have plenty of good replacements for Earth-2 Wells... just go recruiting. But no. Instead they scour the multiverse for alternate versions of Wells and hope they won't get some evil genius con man or super villain intellect.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 09, 2017, 10:26:56 PM
Still u would think they would keep Barry in the dark
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 09, 2017, 10:54:28 PM
and I was right about it being the time remnant that survived.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 09, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
Nope it a future time remnant.   He hasn't been created yet
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 09, 2017, 11:20:14 PM
Watch it be the time remnant that "died" in the fight with zoom. Season 2 finale

That wouldn't make any sense since that time remnant was created at that moment so it didn't exist long enough to even have gone through these events.

But if it is going to be a time remnant I think I know which one it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfv2YaO-wE

Future Barry tells Barry that to fight Savitar he creates some time remnants but Savitar kills them all "mostly". So there was 1 or some left after that fight.

edit: Which would mean basically Barry created Savitar to fight Savitar so Savitar let Savitar live so he will turn into Savitar and go back in time to force Barry to create Savitar.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on May 10, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
This ep was pretty boring and added nothing imo. Savitar's reveal was anticlimactic and everything after was just pointless to me. Cisco's plan didn't make sense to me. Ok you wipe his memory but he hasn't defeated Savi yet so when he actually does that memory will still be with Savi. Everything the team did after wiping Barry's memory wouldn't affect Savi knowing how Barry beat him. I started to lose interest towards the end there but why didn't Wally initially try to save the people in the building? The idea that Barry is fucking Iris is creepy since I assume they were raised as siblings. What father would be ok with that?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 10, 2017, 03:43:26 PM
Wally was depowered when savitar lost his memory. Cause and effect as since savitar lost his memory he didn't go back to the past and power up people from flashpoint. That's why he couldn't help. So when Barry got his memories back, Wally got his powers back
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on May 10, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Ok thanks but that still doesn't make much sense to me. It implies that entire memory wipe was done for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 10, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
Here is MS Paint explanation of the Barry/Time Remnant/Savitar timeline
(https://i.redd.it/7zhqqej5dqwy.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 10, 2017, 04:30:18 PM
Here is MS Paint explanation of the Barry/Time Remnant/Savitar timeline
(https://i.redd.it/7zhqqej5dqwy.jpg)

This honestly made me hate the show a little bit more. I used to love this show. Now, it's in danger of becoming like Arrow, i.e. I only watch a couple episodes and just get the cliff notes version online.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on May 10, 2017, 04:50:59 PM
Here is MS Paint explanation of the Barry/Time Remnant/Savitar timeline
(https://i.redd.it/7zhqqej5dqwy.jpg)
Ah that clears things up a bit
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 10, 2017, 04:54:04 PM
On the subject of Barry and Iris. Barry didn't move in with the West until he was 11 and already had a crush on Iris at that point.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on May 10, 2017, 05:18:33 PM
Oh ok. That's still an awkward situation
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 10, 2017, 05:25:24 PM
yeah Hey I know your parents died so go live with the girl you recently started crushing on because puberty is starting. Thats not going to fuck with your emotions at all.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 10, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
Now I didn't really account for the time he's trapped in the speed force but thats because I think it will come up in the next two episodes. IMHO since Savitar isn't linear those events haven't actually happened to the Savitar we recently saw. Here's how I think the timeline will be expanded.
(http://i.imgur.com/XVJOwsW.jpg)

After the fight with Barry and the Time Remnant he gets trapped. Because the speed force doesn't exist within the normal time line he then escapes in 2017 but does not interfere with the events of his younger self to preserve his own timeline.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 10, 2017, 09:32:25 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/yODVOeMxWBwBO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 10, 2017, 09:38:25 PM
Yep. I got an 8 a day tech job that consist of about an hour of work. Overthinking The Flash keeps me sane.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 16, 2017, 09:30:03 PM
OK so Cheetah was name dropped. Guess they have to start mining non-Flash speedsters.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 16, 2017, 11:41:24 PM
OK so Cheetah was name dropped. Guess they have to start mining non-Flash speedsters.

Yes!  The writing was on the wall.  Two bad the suicide squad wasn't.  Can't recall a Cupid though.  This ep is meh. So, so. I'm just glad it doesn't have as dark an edge as other DC properties.  I haven't watched arrow in awhile now.  Couldn't say what the fuck is up with it now. 

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 16, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
OK so Cheetah was name dropped. Guess they have to start mining non-Flash speedsters.
^^^Yeah, noticed that.

Everything went about as badly as it could go. As soon as Iris took off that ring, i lost all hope. This was a car wreck i couldnt look away from.

On a brighter note, King Shark goodness, yay!
Snart was on POINT, too. From his 4 plan points, to Shark Week, to busting the uber lovk Sisco was scared of, to the Jaws shark costing too much to show, to 'been there' at the hand amputation, to his goodness speech to Barry, to no strings.
Love that guy.


ROFLMAO! Dude, I just said to my girl I like Snart.  This guy is perfect for the role.  And couldn't miss the no strings on me line.  I giggled. 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 17, 2017, 01:53:52 AM
Since they used a gadget to make Barry look like someone's else we can assume that wasn't Iris Savitar killed right.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 17, 2017, 05:59:29 AM
Savitar is flash. So wouldn't change anything. Wells would have spilled the beans and savitar would have still dimensioned hopped. Could have used supergirl as a bodyguard though
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 17, 2017, 07:18:43 AM
Wells probably did something to sacrifice himself to make up for the mistake
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 17, 2017, 08:29:17 AM
He's the one unaccounted for.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 17, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
When did Barry learn to fight like that?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 17, 2017, 10:36:45 AM
Holy shit, you think thats who Savitar killed?

Possible. But then again not sure when the "switch"'occurred. As savitar took the real iris from earth 2., so only time would have been is when Barry and sav were fighting and focused on speed force cannon and not her

Wells farewell to Cisco seemed like it was his last one so I'm positive he did something. We know wells was in the area as Cisco vibed earlier in the season into the future and we saw wells on the roof with a gun

When did Barry learn to fight like that?

Took lessons

(http://www.lolriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Napoleon-Dynamite-GIF-Kip-Rex-Kwon-Do.gif)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 18, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
I'm thinking HR used the armor piece to give him temporary speed and switched with Iris while Barry and Savitar were having there little fight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on May 18, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
Yeah I don't know how but I wouldn't be surprised if that was HG getting all poked up.  I expected more from Wally. He was treated like a gnat
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 23, 2017, 09:21:18 PM
As predicted... poor HR

Savitar story ended blah. No more speedster villains please for awhile. Why didn't Jay "sacrifice" himself again? He didn't even say a word haha
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 23, 2017, 09:55:33 PM
I wonder what they are going to do with Frost. Maybe put her on Legends?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Uhtceare on May 23, 2017, 10:32:04 PM
Probably a silly question, but I remember comic Killer Frost dying in combat with Firestorm when I was a child. Did she stay dead in the comics?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 23, 2017, 10:43:44 PM
Nope she's actually currently a member of the Justice League lead by Batman.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Not BAMF on May 25, 2017, 09:15:15 AM
I wish the show had the balls to go a whole season with Wally as The Flash and Barry out of action, but I've watched enough Supernatural to know that CW's M.O. is to restore the status quo in the season premiere.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 25, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
They will prob just do a time jump and be like barry you been gone for x amount of time. Also somehow you got to keep your job as a CSI. Everything is wonderful again
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
They will prob just do a time jump and be like barry you been gone for x amount of time. Also somehow you got to keep your job as a CSI. Everything is wonderful again
.

They will probably have Cisco using that disguise device to cover for him or maybe recruit earth 2 Barry to help out.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 25, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Talking about his CSI job
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 25, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/35658-report-tom-felton-leaves-the-flash-ahead-of-season-4.html

Malfoy left the show
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on July 25, 2017, 06:41:53 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/35658-report-tom-felton-leaves-the-flash-ahead-of-season-4.html

Malfoy left the show
Broken hearted over Caitlin no doubt.





I broke Scourge. Poor Scourge.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on July 25, 2017, 07:23:19 PM
Not a big loss for the show. Wasn't a huge fan of the character
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on July 25, 2017, 11:57:52 PM
Not a big loss for the show. Wasn't a huge fan of the character
I kinda liked him.
Wonder if he got a better project. I wonder sometimes at ppl leaving a steady gig, and then disappearing.
Anyhow, with him and HR (and Caitlin and Barry) gone, team Flash is looking pretty lean.





I broke Scourge. Poor Scourge.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 22, 2017, 06:12:19 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/36545-arrow-flash-supergirl-dc-s-legends-of-tomorrow-dc-cw-crossover-details-crisis-on-earth-x.html

Punching Nazis is so hot right now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on September 22, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
^^^that never goes out of style.

Love the Jiminez homage cover. Those Perez covers were favorites of mine as a kid.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 11, 2017, 08:04:40 PM
Good episode, glad they didn't linger to long on crazy barry

Hope we see The Thinker in his digital form at the end of the season. Just glad it's not a speedster as the main villian
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 11, 2017, 09:39:45 PM
The Thinker is Gideon. Bank on it.


Also, Iris is still ridiculously hot!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 11, 2017, 11:09:47 PM
I don't like the new costume.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2017, 12:49:13 AM
The Thinker is Gideon. Bank on it.


Also, Iris is still ridiculously hot!
Caitlin looked stupid hot in that tank top.

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on October 12, 2017, 01:02:50 AM
stupid hot, the best kind of hot

because it easier to bang.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2017, 05:58:42 AM
^^^Yeah its like stone cold is the best kind of fox.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 22, 2017, 06:31:25 AM
The Thinker is Gideon. Bank on it.


Also, Iris is still ridiculously hot!
Caitlin looked stupid hot in that tank top.

She seems hotter this season I really wasn't into her until now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 24, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
Oh Barry. Sure you slipped but that doesn’t mean you have to give up. They were driving a Prius afterall so didn’t get that far ahead
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 27, 2017, 01:14:24 AM
^^^lol

I liked this ep. Joe's reaction at the end was PERfect.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 31, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
Damn Barry is racking up some pretty uber speed feats this season. Has a pretty impressive reaction speed feat too....reacting when his back was turned to a gun being fired a few feet away. Then quicksilvered them? Boss

Elongated man is a great addition. Great actor but very similar to Jim Carey but I’m digging it

Vibe’s new suit reminds of MJ’s thriller jacket

Season is off to a better start
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 31, 2017, 11:26:02 PM
The Quicksilver feat this week and the catching all of the shrapnel from the grenade In The Kilgore episode, are two showings that prove just how much faster Barry is now.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on November 01, 2017, 01:25:48 AM
What a fun ep. I loved Ralph!
He even did the nose twitch. For all the fun though (including Breacher/Cisco/Wells), Barry got himself an important clue going forward.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 03, 2017, 02:21:26 PM
The Quicksilver feat this week and the catching all of the shrapnel from the grenade In The Kilgore episode, are two showings that prove just how much faster Barry is now.

Faster then mach 5 ?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on November 03, 2017, 03:33:11 PM
The Quicksilver feat this week and the catching all of the shrapnel from the grenade In The Kilgore episode, are two showings that prove just how much faster Barry is now.

Faster then mach 5 ?
Occasionally!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 07, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Well Flash writers straight up said they ripped off Killer Frost's duel persona from The Hulk. Also. we learned Marvel Comics exist in the Arrowverse.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 07, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
So The Thinker definitely has Metron chair right?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 08, 2017, 05:53:42 AM
At the very least ripped the idea from him

Surprised they mentioned the Hulk

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on November 13, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
Fun episode!
I like guys/girls night out stories.
Felicity was a nice surprise, so was Ralph coming back so soon. The Strip Club #1 customer pic and it's sad fate were great.
Drunk Barry...'nuff said in that one!
Nice to see our bad guy out and about, conspicuously flying around ten feet off the ground for anyone to see. Very smart.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 13, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
Any ppl out that late in an abandon alleyway are not the gossipy type.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 14, 2017, 08:05:02 PM
Not even 5 mins into the episode and want Dibny to get a spinoff. Stop shooting him haha. Also does Barry not care about his secret identity anymore? Uses his superspeed to take the criminal to the hospital in his civilian clothes??? :\
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 14, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
Such a campy episode....but that was great.

So many great one-liners
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 14, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
I'm glad they decided to focus on "fun" this season. That's what made this show so great to begin with. They forgot that for a couple of seasons. Loved last week's episode and this one, as well.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 14, 2017, 09:59:02 PM
"That movie is full of lies!"


Yep Ralph has won me over.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 14, 2017, 10:02:45 PM
The best part is how he made Barry realize all the times he illegal locked people up was wrong.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on November 15, 2017, 12:29:44 AM
Any ppl out that late in an abandon alleyway are not the gossipy type.
haha!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 21, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
Wally fought starro
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on November 22, 2017, 04:57:51 AM
They should make a animated cw seed if that's the case for that fight.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 28, 2017, 06:26:08 PM
In that supergirl crossover Barry has an awesome feat catching all the bullets and throwing a bullet back into the chamber of the gun. Awesome
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 28, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
In that supergirl crossover Barry has an awesome feat catching all the bullets and throwing a bullet back into the chamber of the gun. Awesome

dont you mean wally

cant a black man get any credit
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 28, 2017, 08:08:19 PM
haha whoops, yeah meant to type Wally.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 28, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5a/5ac82462316fe323cc56c4c7c29d956ef4571555d0b7a256ef3c55a36417255d.jpg)

Heard this event is colds very very last appearance in all the shows. Hope it isn’t true

Oh snap red tornado

For a flash episode barry wasn’t even really in it. Not a bad thing as they covered a lot in this episode 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on November 28, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wanted to make the event work better as a whole. So even though the show might be Flash or Legends, the story will switch around as need be. I think it’s working really well so far.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 28, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
Me too. It really feels like a big event.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 28, 2017, 10:25:17 PM
Oh nice. guess cold is sticking around afterall. Actors interview must have been said not to spoil the end

Surprised they killed professor stein and not just let him retire peacefully

Overall I liked the crossover event. Good character moments and lasting effects
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 28, 2017, 10:25:47 PM
Yes, it is. I forgot the 1st episode was a Supergirl one.

That's why they have it its own intro and it was smart. This is more like an event comic, as opposed to a crossover.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 28, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
I kinda hope they release a blu ray with the whole cut as one movie.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on November 28, 2017, 11:26:09 PM
yea this was really good. Like the way they did. Instead of 4 epsiode..basicly shot it like one long movie. Smarter that way since you have more flexbillity
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 28, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
Why would Flash let So hard go? Moron.

Superman 2 reference from Kara was cool.

Why would Smart stay but Ray leave? Earth 1 is where Ray is from so it'd make sense for both to stay.

Has Sara met Black Siren?

Felicity managed to suck in the end, after being tolerable through the rest.

"You hit that?" Great!

Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 29, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
Snart stayed because he wanted to be there for Mick because he was friends with alt Nick and seems to have no social bounderies. Also because they wanted a shot of all the Legends and the funeral even if they had a used an alt stand in.

I liked the Crisis reference with Citizen Steel holding Supergirl.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 29, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
This was way better than I expected. I have to give the show runners props for this event. I did not see that coming for the professor and it played out well. I loved it
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 29, 2017, 10:22:47 AM
Snart stayed because he wanted to be there for Mick because he was friends with alt Nick and seems to have no social bounderies. Also because they wanted a shot of all the Legends and the funeral even if they had a used an alt stand in.

I liked the Crisis reference with Citizen Steel holding Supergirl.

Then why didn't Ray stay, too?

I didn't think of the COIE reference. Nice!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 29, 2017, 10:27:30 AM
I was surprised Ray didn’t stay considering it’s his home and Wynn was willing to sacrifice them all to blow up the facility
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 29, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
Snart stayed because he wanted to be there for Mick because he was friends with alt Nick and seems to have no social bounderies. Also because they wanted a shot of all the Legends and the funeral even if they had a used an alt stand in.

I liked the Crisis reference with Citizen Steel holding Supergirl.

Then why didn't Ray stay, too?

I didn't think of the COIE reference. Nice!

*shrug with white people smirk*
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 29, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
Probably wanted to go back and help stop the nazis from rebuilding. As they have bases throughout the world still

Wasn’t a fan of rays helmet. Looked bad.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 29, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Do have one question as maybe have missed it. But why did they send the heroes to earth-x to be killed? Why didn’t they just do it on earth 1?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 29, 2017, 05:46:44 PM
because fuck you thats why
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on November 29, 2017, 05:56:57 PM
because fuck you thats why

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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
I’ve been thinking about the waitress at the wedding and wondered if she could’ve been Joe’s daughter? I wondered why the need for Joe to have another child. Perhaps some day that child will grow up to be another speedster or meta.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 11:15:54 AM
I’ve been thinking about the waitress at the wedding and wondered if she could’ve been Joe’s daughter? I wondered why the need for Joe to have another child. Perhaps some day that child will grow up to be another speedster or meta.

Why would Joe's daughter be gushing about Barry and Iris's wedding and never have a moment with Cecile or Joe? Plus time travel.

That's an odd theory.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on November 30, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
I thought they would’ve showed her again at the end of the crossover, but right now I’m so sure she’s the daughter of Iris and Barry.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 11:51:42 AM
I’ve been thinking about the waitress at the wedding and wondered if she could’ve been Joe’s daughter? I wondered why the need for Joe to have another child. Perhaps some day that child will grow up to be another speedster or meta.

Why would Joe's daughter be gushing about Barry and Iris's wedding and never have a moment with Cecile or Joe? Plus time travel.

That's an odd theory.
I would imagine it would still be pleasant to see your older siblings get married especially since one of them is the flash.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
I’ve been thinking about the waitress at the wedding and wondered if she could’ve been Joe’s daughter? I wondered why the need for Joe to have another child. Perhaps some day that child will grow up to be another speedster or meta.

Why would Joe's daughter be gushing about Barry and Iris's wedding and never have a moment with Cecile or Joe? Plus time travel.

That's an odd theory.
I would imagine it would still be pleasant to see your older siblings get married especially since one of them is the flash.

Yeah but you wouldn't gush about it and make it seem like some kind of landmark. It'd be even more pleasant to see your parents when they were younger, especially if you time travel. The scene wasn't set up in anyway to hint at her being Joe's daughter.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Guess we’ll eventually find out. It’s not uncommon for a time traveler to gush over or be in awe of a legend though. In the AOS preview, a guy presumably from the future is in awe over meeting Coulson. Likewise in Supergirl, Mon-El’s wife seems to be wowed by actually meeting Kara. It’s just a guess. I’ve already speculated she’s either Barry’s daughter or granddaughter. I’m trying to make sense of Joe having another baby 
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
Yes but in the SG scenario, we know she's Mon-El's wife. It's not like her only interaction was with Kara. And we don't know what's going on with AoS.

I'm not saying it's unusual for a time traveler to be in awe of meeting a celeb, however if her ties were to another character then they would have her interact with said character, also. My point is that your theory is kind of out of nowhere. Like, what about her appearance there made you think she's Joe's kid? You might as well guess she's Cisco's kid or Killer Frost's. There's zero evidence to even think that so it's pretty arbitrary.

Joe is having another baby to give his and Cecile's relationship added drama, as well as the character himself. Nothing more to it than that really.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 02:55:47 PM
In Kara’s instance, I assume the Legion knows who Supergirl is not only from Mon-El but from her history. True we don’t know what’s going on in AOS but we do know this person is in awe of actually meeting Coulson. My theory came from making sense of Joe having a baby. I don’t think it’s so simple as added drama for Joe. He already has two kids and two adopted children. Two of whom are speedsters. What more child drama is needed? I would imagine being apart of team flash would be enough for the newlyweds. I doubt she’d be Cisco or Caitlin’s child considering she’s black.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 03:04:16 PM
Wally, Iris and Barry are all grown. The drama with Wally has already been resolved. Adding a new baby is drama, in itself and it's not something we've seen Joe deal with.

The Team Flash drama has likewise been resolved and, considering they've been a part of it for 4 years or so, there's really no way to add drama without it being forced. Meeting/interacting with your kid from the future, who may or may not be conceived yet? The danger of keeping said kid alive, while in the womb, and being married to the Flash. Joe dealing with his future grandchild before his new kid is even born? All new drama. Add to the fact that they've been hinting at Iris being pregnant this entire season. It makes waaaaaay more sense than it being Joe's kind from the future, which doesn't really add anything.

And she could easily be mixed, making her Caitlin's. She's not so dark that she couldn't pass for Cisco's kid, either. My point, though, was that there's just as much evidence of her being their kid as Joe's. Which is to say, there's no real evidence of it.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 30, 2017, 03:08:24 PM
I’ve been thinking about the waitress at the wedding and wondered if she could’ve been Joe’s daughter? I wondered why the need for Joe to have another child. Perhaps some day that child will grow up to be another speedster or meta.

While I know casting isn't always going for the most accurate thing but the actress looked mixed race and I think that was purposeful. Also, and this is a long shot, I think the reason. She appeared on the Supergirl episode is because even though she is from Earth 1 she is from the Legion of Earth...4? Is that Kara's Earth number?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
I believe Kara is from Earth 38.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 03:22:26 PM
Plus, the waitress not only looked like Iris but she talked like Barry. The CW isn't very subtle in their writing.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 03:27:15 PM
Wally, Iris and Barry are all grown. The drama with Wally has already been resolved. Adding a new baby is drama, in itself and it's not something we've seen Joe deal with.

The Team Flash drama has likewise been resolved and, considering they've been a part of it for 4 years or so, there's really no way to add drama without it being forced. Meeting/interacting with your kid from the future, who may or may not be conceived yet? The danger of keeping said kid alive, while in the womb, and being married to the Flash. Joe dealing with his future grandchild before his new kid is even born? All new drama. Add to the fact that they've been hinting at Iris being pregnant this entire season. It makes waaaaaay more sense than it being Joe's kind from the future, which doesn't really add anything.

Joe having a baby now doesn’t add anything so what’s the point? How has the teams drama been resolved when they’re dealing wit Devoe. Joe has been apart of it but not his wife.
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And she could easily be mixed, making her Caitlin's. She's not so dark that she couldn't pass for Cisco's kid, either. My point, though, was that there's just as much evidence of her being their kid as Joe's. Which is to say, there's no real evidence of it.
Well there’s the fact that Joe has a baby on the way which neither Caitlin nor Cisco has going for them right now. I’ve already stated in this thread that she’s most likely related to Barry but I don’t see her being Joe’s kid that far fetched.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
Plus, the waitress not only looked like Iris but she talked like Barry. The CW isn't very subtle in their writing.
She looked like Iris?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
Joe having a baby now doesn’t add anything so what’s the point? How has the teams drama been resolved when they’re dealing wit Devoe. Joe has been apart of it but not his wife.
Um, yeah Joe having a baby does add something new. We (the audience) have never seen him actually raise a child. And doing so at his age is another new experience, for both him and the audience.

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Well there’s the fact that Joe has a baby on the way which neither Caitlin nor Cisco has going for them right now. I’ve already stated in this thread that she’s most likely related to Barry but I don’t see her being Joe’s kid that far fetched.

Ok then...
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Plus, the waitress not only looked like Iris but she talked like Barry. The CW isn't very subtle in their writing.
She looked like Iris?

Yeah, there's a definite resemblance to Iris.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Joe having a baby now doesn’t add anything so what’s the point? How has the teams drama been resolved when they’re dealing wit Devoe. Joe has been apart of it but not his wife.
Um, yeah Joe having a baby does add something new. We (the audience) have never seen him actually raise a child. And doing so at his age is another new experience, for both him and the audience.

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Well there’s the fact that Joe has a baby on the way which neither Caitlin nor Cisco has going for them right now. I’ve already stated in this thread that she’s most likely related to Barry but I don’t see her being Joe’s kid that far fetched.

Ok then...
So you think there will be storylines dedicated to Joe raising a baby?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
Plus, the waitress not only looked like Iris but she talked like Barry. The CW isn't very subtle in their writing.
She looked like Iris?

Yeah, there's a definite resemblance to Iris.
Um ok
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 05:01:13 PM
So you think there will be storylines dedicated to Joe raising a baby?

Whole storylines, no. But it will be a subplot or two and play into his relationship with Cecile, his other kids and being a cop/part of Team Flash. He'll also likely have to come to terms with dealing with a baby again, which will probably lead to some funny moments. It kind of writes itself
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on November 30, 2017, 05:25:57 PM
Yeah we will see how it plays out. I checked to to see if she’ll be in any additional Arrowverse episodes but didn’t find anything. Whoever she is it looks like she’ll be saved for the next season. I do believe she’ll be Barry’s child or grand child. I’m just throwing something else out there for consumption
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on November 30, 2017, 05:28:10 PM
I gotcha. Apparently she's a CW "regular" and has been on a couple of other shows for the network.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 03, 2017, 12:03:03 PM
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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on December 03, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
Contrast in styles  :o
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 03, 2017, 03:59:51 PM
Come on now. The justice leauge movie was pretty light hearted. Just there were dark movies before that soured some

But WW, and JLA two light movies back to back
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on December 03, 2017, 04:41:30 PM
I know, but the pics do point out a big difference in the tone of the shows/movies.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 03, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Although Arrow can be a pretty somber mother fucker at times.

it seem CW gotten more lighter by even their standards

Flash lot lighter then last year.  Ledgeng kind of a comedy about some fucks up with a time machine. They actully make fun of how bad at time travel they are.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on December 03, 2017, 11:58:14 PM
^^^True, to all.

Arrow's surely the most serious, and even then, in crossovers, he lightens up, doesnt bring the mood of the entire event down.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
Iris threw a little shade at Felicity.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
and another reference to Flash just being "faster than sound"
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 05, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
They meant just in general. As Mach 1 is faster then the speed of sound and they said he is faster then that many times throughout the show

He then moves so fast the human eye can’t see him. Lulz
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2017, 10:03:18 PM
yeah the stuff he does is a lot faster than a couple of machs but Jesus Christ do they taint that with the dialogue.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 05, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
X-Men Quicksilver would have disposed of the body and cleaned up the mess between the first and second knock.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 05, 2017, 11:02:55 PM
Barry should've been able to do that. But then I figure Thinker would have a camera set up to out him as the Flash.

Also lol at them bringing Wally back just to immediately get rid of him again. Being in another country shouldn't matter to a speedster.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on December 05, 2017, 11:22:14 PM
X-Men Quicksilver would have disposed of the body and cleaned up the mess between the first and second knock.

Based on what Barry has done thus far this season he could have as well
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on December 06, 2017, 02:54:21 AM
Iris threw a little shade at Felicity.


You dont make someone else wedding about your wedding

Shade deserved
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on December 06, 2017, 03:44:32 AM
X-Men Quicksilver would have disposed of the body and cleaned up the mess between the first and second knock.

Based on what Barry has done thus far this season he could have as well

He should have gotten rid of the body and knife minimum.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on December 06, 2017, 05:47:02 AM
Iris threw a little shade at Felicity.


You dont make someone else wedding about your wedding

Shade deserved
Yeah i caught that too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on December 06, 2017, 07:19:20 AM
Haven’t watched anything from the season outside of the crossover, but I was really interested in Barry’s decision. I think he could have cleaned the evidence rather easily, but there’s still something he could have missed and would still have someone reporting him for a murder. In the end, I think he was trying to handle it straight, which puts him right where his dad was decades ago.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on December 06, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
He could've just ran back to Joe's house without touching the crime scene. That'd give him an easy alibi.

Hell, the security system should log the intruder alert time, which should also give him an alibi.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 06, 2017, 11:27:36 AM
He could have just vibrated faster than the human eye can see like he did earlier in the episode.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 16, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
Well that was a ridic speed feat
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on January 16, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
Well that was a ridic speed feat

What happen
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on January 16, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
Barry in jail isn't a concern. He can come and go as he pleases. Hell, I'd have been with Iris about 5 minutes after "lights out" and back before morning.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 16, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Well that was a ridic speed feat

What happen

Had a long conversation with iris and time froze around them. Nothing was moving for a loooooong time. Things weren’t even moving to a snails crawl just stopped. Approaching QS Xmen apocalypse level
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 17, 2018, 10:22:21 AM
People have calculated Barry’s speed feats this season not including last nights episode

His lightening bolt feat was Mach 1659

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uD6xubXbNU (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uD6xubXbNU)

Pretty sure court room feat is even faster
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on January 17, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
^^^it would have to be (faster), yeah. That was pretty insane. 

Nice to see the old Trial of Barry Allen storyline used so well (suspension of disbelief notwithstanding. The incriminating pics were dropped way too quickly. Creating reasonable doubt is what was needed. Just cuz SHE said her dead husband was cool with her young lover doesnt make it true.) Felt bad for him and his ppl.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 17, 2018, 07:36:16 PM
Ralph gets a real costume....and it sucks

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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on January 17, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
Well...i guess its better than the pink body suit?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 23, 2018, 11:08:11 PM
So how does one vibrate their wrist/forearm without vibrating their hand?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on January 24, 2018, 01:18:26 AM
So how does one vibrate their wrist/forearm without vibrating their hand?
...Speed Force?

The opening scene this week with Ralph was pretty sweet.
Its great to see this character live/in action.
And goldberg is Big Sir. Pretty cool.

EDIT
Dang, Corinne Bohrer was hot back in the day.
(http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/7472211/383full-corinne-bohrer.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 31, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
Well that was an unexpected ending. Also kinda ironic.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on January 31, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
Barry busting out some time freeze feats again and ran to China in 1-2 seconds? Bam!

So is Barry fox-quicksilver level now?

Well that’s a twist ending





Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on February 01, 2018, 12:00:19 AM
For once i actually saw the ending coming.
Fun ep. overall though. Wells' frustration at not being the smartest guy in the room's a nice touch.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 06, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
Meh episode. But I really hope they didn’t just kill all those villains. That irked me they kept doing that in season 1-2. Hopefully just stole their powers

Just because Ralph posed as thinker won’t there be questions he disappears again?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 06, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
we got some stretchy blackface tonight
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 06, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
ok so I'm 35 minutes. How the fuck does everyone not realize Barry is The Flash?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 06, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
oh hey there we go
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on February 06, 2018, 11:21:44 PM
ok so I'm 35 minutes. How the fuck does everyone not realize Barry is The Flash?

I knew death or memory wipe was coming to all involved.   Starbucks is up next.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on February 09, 2018, 12:21:52 AM
That was about the hokiest way to get Barry out if jail possible, but, it worked!
DeVoe came off as extremely creepy this time out.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on February 09, 2018, 02:09:03 PM
not to fun getting locked in a secret prison without due process, is it Flash
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on February 09, 2018, 05:33:13 PM
^^^ooh!  ;D
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on February 09, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
not to fun getting locked in a secret prison without due process, is it Flash

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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 22, 2018, 01:52:30 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/7zgyxv/the_flash_season_4_new_poster_hq/?utm_source=reddit-android

Iris's costume looks like Xs's. I think that pretty much confirms that's who the mystery girl is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on February 22, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Damn. LOVE that color scheme.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on February 22, 2018, 11:52:40 PM
Shooting scenes.

(https://canadagraphs.weebly.com/uploads/2/2/3/9/2239898/img-3643_orig.jpg)

(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/iris-west.jpg)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 02, 2018, 05:44:45 AM
Man, that Flash ending sucked for Ralph this week. Felt genuinely bad for the Izzy character.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 07, 2018, 05:32:29 AM
Wonder if this week was the best live action speed feat ever.
Was running the entire ep. with everyone frozen, brought like 4 ppl up to speed w. him, threw lightning, managed some healthy angst, ran into the speed force and back, all in like a second.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on March 07, 2018, 09:17:10 AM
So does this episode top Quicksilver's emptying of the X-Mansion in Age of Apocalypse?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: JAXN on March 07, 2018, 10:22:28 AM
I don’t know. I take in consideration this was a full episode devoted to flash time whereas Quicksilver’s feat was just a small part in a movie. It also implies Jay and Jesse are damn near as fast as Barry. I didn’t think that was the case
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 07, 2018, 12:07:03 PM
I'm watching it now. Jesse and Jay also move at super speed in flash time. This is the problem with how they play fast and loose with the rules (no pun intended). They are treating it as a separate power they can do once they hit a specific speed.

Not saying that's actually happening just that they are sloppy.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 07, 2018, 12:58:25 PM
Watching it tonight. Sounds like Mach 3.5 yo!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 07, 2018, 04:41:22 PM
I don’t know. I take in consideration this was a full episode devoted to flash time whereas Quicksilver’s feat was just a small part in a movie. It also implies Jay and Jesse are damn near as fast as Barry. I didn’t think that was the case
Right now, i think it blows QS's feat away.
As for Jesse/Jay, it seemed they could reach that level but not maintain it, which is cool.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 07, 2018, 06:41:29 PM
5 mins in and their trying to get flash to be faster then a breach closing in about 3 picoseconds...He nearly did it

A picosecond is an SI unit of time equal to 10−12 or 1/1,000,000,000,000 (one trillionth) of a second. That is one trillionth, or one millionth of one millionth of a second, or 0.000 000 000 001 seconds. A picosecond is to one second as one second is to 31,710 years.*

*thanks Wikipedia

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Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 07, 2018, 06:57:32 PM
LOL
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 07, 2018, 07:30:04 PM
Ok that’s ridic haha

- He’s legit faster then even a breach to form. Then he goes faster to get to harry?
- jay and Jessie can’t even keep up going at the speed and both go to a stand still.
- Barry maintained that speed lending speed to 4 others and then still charged up and went faster
- even confirms he can move faster then 3 picoseconds at the end

The nerds are going to feel this one trying to calculate just how fast he was going

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Overall a pretty good episode but they better not get rid of Jay :(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 07, 2018, 07:47:32 PM
I wonder who he is training.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 08, 2018, 12:57:22 AM
^^^Jay?
Wondered that, too.

Cant Wait to see speedster Iris next week!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 09, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
Ironically a random doctor on Arrow made an off hand reference to the flash running faster than light.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on March 09, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Seems like the writers finally realized the whole Mach 3 thing doesn’t make sense and has done a retcon even for the other speedsters
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on March 12, 2018, 01:50:33 PM
yea its mach 4 now
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 15, 2018, 12:46:52 AM
'Run, Iris, run'.
Good shit.
Wells is obsessing, Ralph is wigging out. Sisconis the voice of reason!
Loved how Iris' speed effect was purple from the get go. She looked great in costume.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on March 15, 2018, 01:05:50 AM
I really liked the purple effect as well. If future girl is Dawn I hope they use the purple for her too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on March 15, 2018, 01:27:43 AM
Ooh, that'd be good. Its really too nice to never use again.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 10, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
"We'll be the DC Comics"  ::)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on April 11, 2018, 07:06:47 AM
^^^Ralph’s turtle move was surprisingly brilliant.

"We'll be the DC Comics"  ::)
Dont forget the Doc Ock reference. This show doesnt play favorites.

Trejo pimping his daughter out (fix me and i’ll let you spend more time w. Gypsy) for his powers was nice too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 14, 2018, 09:58:24 PM
Jay and Silent Bob exist in the Arrowverse!
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on April 16, 2018, 01:18:20 AM
^^^that was pretty awesome, YES.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on April 18, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
Well.

That was the most depressing ep. of The Flash i’ve ever watched.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on April 18, 2018, 08:12:58 AM
No clue how their going to save the day. Devoe is out smarting them at every turn

-Ralph “dead”
-killer frost gone
-Harry mentally damaged
-Cisco having troubles vibbing
-all 12 of the metas have been absorbed
-etc
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on April 20, 2018, 07:26:37 PM
maybe flash should ease up on that no killing thing
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on April 20, 2018, 10:54:32 PM
No shit.
The Thinker’s pretty obviously a psycho. Being the son of a cop, you’d think he’d have been taught that lethal force IS an option.
Being a friend of Green Arrow, you’d think he’d have figured that out, too.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: therock on April 20, 2018, 11:41:17 PM
No shit.
The Thinker’s pretty obviously a psycho. Being the son of a cop, you’d think he’d have been taught that lethal force IS an option.
Being a friend of Green Arrow, you’d think he’d have figured that out, too.

Also given the whole holding people without trial...their playing loosey goosey with morals for the most part

But somehow think they will get everyone back into their brains
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on April 21, 2018, 04:30:23 PM
There's a huge difference between holding someone prisoner and killing.  you can release someone held in prison.  You can't un-kill someone.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 21, 2018, 04:33:52 PM
This is superheroes we are talking about. You can totally un-kill someone
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 01, 2018, 09:11:12 PM
Well speed confirmed for mystery girl.  And it looks like there using both the purple and red effect for her speed.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 02, 2018, 07:17:58 AM
So now the question is if she's Barry and Iris' kid or Joe and Celeste's?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 03, 2018, 01:06:23 AM
She seemed to spook when Iris came to the door. Its not like Iris’d recognize her...?

Maybe i wasnt paying attention, but what was with the purple speed streak on earth 19? Anyone?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on May 03, 2018, 02:15:10 AM
That was Iris's color when she was a speedster.  And it was actually purple and red.  There being so obvious with it now I think we may be wrong about who she is.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 03, 2018, 05:44:54 AM
I remember it being Iris’ color, but why was it on earth 19?
Was that just some random thing?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2018, 10:19:22 AM
What do you mean it was on Earth 19? When did they show Earth 19 in the episode?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 03, 2018, 04:46:31 PM
When Cisco & Gypsy went there.
Right before they showed up there was a speed streak.

At least thats what i recall seeing. ???
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
I must have not been paying attention
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on May 03, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
I think that was a scene change? I don't recall that part.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 04, 2018, 01:07:21 AM
Ah, never mind!
Recovered the ep. and slowed the scene. There was a guy in red & yellow (the guy in the goggles that showed up one time?) with his back to the camera, walking right to left across the screen.
He zips off just before Cisco & Gypsy breach in on the second floor.
It had nothing to do with the mystery girl.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 09, 2018, 06:17:27 AM
A much needed fun ep.
Any time there’s multiple Harries is a good time.
Also liked Iris falling back on her neglected journalist background as a way to contribute. She and eventually Barry have more faith in ppl than i do, but i’m glad it payed off for them.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 15, 2018, 08:28:46 PM
Haha wait....did they just say flash time is Mach 3? Ah lawd
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 15, 2018, 09:44:59 PM
At the very least your speed and being in "flash time" are two separate things.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 15, 2018, 09:50:37 PM
It still makes no sense. Not like it’s some process to enter flash time. He does it on the whim
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 15, 2018, 09:59:19 PM
Yeah it really doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 15, 2018, 10:21:09 PM
He did gain the ability to absorb electricity so yaaay?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 16, 2018, 01:36:14 AM
The Thinker’s a complete psycho.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on May 22, 2018, 10:32:21 PM
- Devo vs. Agent Smith

- I am surprised they killed off all the metas and left them dead

- I laughed at the iris saying “Star Wars” and Barry looked at her giving a concerned look shaking his head

- Hope this isn’t the last time we see Harry

- Well many predicted it the new speedster is Nora west and from the future
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 22, 2018, 11:19:23 PM
I'm just glad Ralph is back. I hope he gets an appearance on Arrow. I want to see him interact with Ollie.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on May 24, 2018, 06:02:52 AM
I’m Ralph is back, too.
Finale-wise, this was one of the better ones i can recall for Flash.
I mean, i know there have only been 4, but this one felt like they really achieved something.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 10, 2018, 09:45:24 AM
The Season 5 premiere came on last night and I really liked it! Nora is adorable (it's funny that she's actually the oldest actor on Team Flash at 34.)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 10, 2018, 12:21:17 PM
24? Ancient crone.

Gotta watch this later today.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 10, 2018, 12:27:57 PM
34, actually
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: altoon on October 10, 2018, 03:49:40 PM
Yeah I knew she was in her 30's.  I've had a thing for her since Black Sails.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 10, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
I de-aged her a decade? Damn time travel to hell >:(
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 11, 2018, 12:22:54 AM
That was a great ep.
The narration coming from XS’s pov is something i hope continues. A whole lounge in the building no one knew anything about?
$43 for a cup of coffee. Holy shit.
A King Shark/Grodd fight would be sooo budget bustingly great.
The old costumes getting re-introduced then shredded before unveiling the ring was sweet; hard to belueve how far ghe show’s come.
Loved Ralph being 3 steps behind on everything he should already know.

Only real gripe? Cicada’s costume could really use some work.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 11, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Good episode but not a fan of flash’s new costume or Cicada’s

Liked the legion of heroes reference :)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 11, 2018, 11:54:14 PM
Mustve missed that. What was it?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on October 12, 2018, 12:43:34 AM
I skipped most of the last season, but this episode was entertaining. Nora’s a fun character and not as obnoxious as I thought she’d be, and while I’m not a fan of the suit(looked...cheaper?), in some angles it actually looked okay. But definitely needing some adjustments.

Do we know who that guy at the end was supposed to be?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2018, 01:09:41 AM
Do we know who that guy at the end was supposed to be?
Only real gripe? Cicada’s costume could really use some work.
Cicada.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/3/3a/Cicada_0002.jpg)

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/David_Hersch_%28New_Earth%29
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on October 12, 2018, 06:50:25 AM
Huh. That’s one I’ve never heard of. Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2018, 08:48:36 AM
^^^Only know of him second hand. Like i said, the costume is meh, but hopefully they put some work into the actual character.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2018, 09:10:48 AM
Mustve missed that. What was it?

Besides the XS name, Nora also mentioned Lightning Lad.

I like that they basically combined the Tornado Twins, XS and Bart into her character.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
Oh, okay, i just brain farted. The conversation seemed so normal it didnt even register.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 12, 2018, 09:46:40 AM
Mustve missed that. What was it?

Said her dad’s lightening bolt is better then lightening lad’s. X-S is also a member of the Legion

Edit: doh! Already answered
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 12, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
Mustve missed that. What was it?

Said her dad’s lightening bolt is better then lightening lad’s. X-S is also a member of the Legion

Edit: doh! Already answered
No sweat, thanks -K-M-, i totally just didnt notice that conversation.
I wonder how her Legionnaires and Supergirl’s would tie together?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
Since we know there is a crisis that happens I wonder if it's the same Legion from Supergirl
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 16, 2018, 12:56:28 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the new Flash suit looks TERRIBLE without the chin strap?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 16, 2018, 01:07:48 PM
No that pretty much is the consensus. Grant confirmed it's coming back though.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 16, 2018, 04:55:46 PM
Its not great, the new suit, but its not movie Flash bad, so sigh of relief.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Prime on October 16, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
I honestly think the suit looks great, the only issue is the no chinstrap look completely ruins it because it looks awful and really seems to stand out.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 16, 2018, 06:50:22 PM
Grant just doesn't have a manly chin. He needs the extra umph the chin strap gives.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 16, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
^^^agreed, and the suit itself looks too plastic-y.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: MPagar on October 22, 2018, 08:32:42 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenAmell/status/1054510887242002434/photo/1

Okay, now I’m hyped.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 22, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
Well well well that’s a big reveal

Also the new flash suit looks bad on everyone
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 23, 2018, 12:40:28 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenAmell/status/1054510887242002434/photo/1

Okay, now I’m hyped.
Thats fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: -K-M- on October 23, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
A picture of the Monitor was leaked online. Damn that’s super comic book accurate

https://www.cbr.com/arrowverse-monitor-first-look/ (https://www.cbr.com/arrowverse-monitor-first-look/)
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 23, 2018, 02:47:34 PM
Looks...weird, but not awful?
Title: Re: The Flash
Post by: Riv1 on October 23, 2018, 02:49:16 PM
Elseworlds black costume Supes.
(https://hipzomjoint.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/arrowverse-superman-black-suit.png)