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Title: Best hero/hero or villain/villain friendships?
Post by: Thanos6 on June 09, 2015, 03:23:01 AM
What heroes or villains aren't just good working partners, but actually have nice friendships?  (This is of course rare for villains, but makes those that do exist all the more enjoyable to read about)

Some of my favorite examples:

Spidey/Human Torch
Beast/Wonder Man
Blue Beetle/Booster Gold
Fixer/Mentallo (not as prominent since Thunderbolts, alas)
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Post by: AP on June 09, 2015, 05:11:56 AM
Spidey and Daredevil is always fun to see.
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Post by: Not BAMF on June 09, 2015, 07:30:34 AM
I liked the Wolverine/Jubilee stuff in the 90's.

Captain Cold and Mirror Master are another good duo.
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Post by: ProjectCornDog on June 09, 2015, 09:37:09 AM
Taskmaster and Deadpool
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Post by: scourge on June 09, 2015, 09:55:18 AM
Juggernaut & Black Tom. Two villains that really cared a lot about one another, the greatest of friends for a really long time.
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Post by: MTL76 on June 09, 2015, 11:55:59 AM
Wrecking Crew. They stick together without the usual villain team bickering.
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Post by: Ares on June 09, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
Juggernaut & Black Tom. Two villains that really cared a lot about one another, the greatest of friends for a really long time.

Darnit, I was going to suggest those two. They always seemed like genuinely good friends, and even when the bickered, like when Cain gave Tom half of his power and Tom overreacted, starting a fight with them, Tom eventually calmed down and realized that Cain had sacrificed half of his power for him, and they were back to being buddies in no time. After the fight with the X-Men and Spider-Man, they were talking about how fun the fight was and comparing what they'd done to their opponents.

Danny and Luke Cage were another favorite friendship, since they were the quintessential odd couple from completely different backgrounds and personality types, yet were constantly referenced as being closer than brothers. There was a scene where a mind-controlled Danny was just beating the CRAP out of Cage, and Luke made Danny promise him that their kids would grow up together. Which was enough to shake Danny out of that mind control. And naturally, once he was free, the two were back to bantering and bickering like they always did, downplaying what just happened because, well, they're guys and that's just what we do.

Dr. Strange and Spider-Man always had a kind of weird friendship that I found kind of fascinating, and one that seemed to get semi-regular play without being quite as bro-mance-y as some of the others mentioned. Peter seemed like someone who just treated Strange as just another guy, which Stephen probably appreciated. Strange often played a kind of mentor role to Peter, but it came off as more of a big brother/little brother type deal, where they could still snark to each other about how weird the other one was.

Wally West and Kyle Rayner were basically the big humanizing element of the Justice League for the longest time, and it was their friendship and interaction that help ground things a little.

Wolverine's friendship with both Nightcrawler and Colossus was interesting, especially given the latter pair were often of a similar temperament but didn't seem to really hang out with each other as much. Logan's attitude with the more fun loving but religious Kurt or the initially somewhat naive and goodnatured Peter often allowed for some good back and forth between them. And the nice thing was, Logan as the cynical, world weary guy who had seen everything, was just as often wrong as he was right when compared to the other two. It's easy for writers to favor their own personal opinion on optimism vs pessimism, so it was nice to see a more balanced take with the three.

And I might be alone, but I kind of prefer the friendship Superman and Batman had during the later World's Finest days in the late 70's/early-to-mid 80's, where both men really respected the other and were genuine friends, rather than the more adversarial relationship they've had for the most part since Frank Miller's Dark Knight books.
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 09, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
I don't know HOW I forgot Danny and Luke.  That's inexcusable on my part.
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Post by: 80sBaby on June 09, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
Superboy (Conner) and Robin (Tim)
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Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on June 09, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
Daredevil/Black Widow is good. More than a friendship at times obviously so maybe cheating a bit, but they stayed pretty close even after they broke up. I always like their interactions.


Cheers.
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Post by: scourge on June 09, 2015, 08:37:23 PM
I don't know HOW I forgot Danny and Luke.  That's inexcusable on my part.

One month ban
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Post by: AP on June 09, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
While they are lovers and not friends, I always found Absorbing Man and Titania to be a cute couple.
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Post by: Bandido on June 09, 2015, 11:50:23 PM
Sinestro and Hal Jordan
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Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on June 10, 2015, 12:48:11 AM
Captain America,& Thor
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Post by: Wyntyr on June 10, 2015, 01:02:41 AM
Catman/Deadshot
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 10, 2015, 05:44:38 AM
While they are lovers and not friends, I always found Absorbing Man and Titania to be a cute couple.

Well, if we're going to include lovers, I'd just point to my avatar.  ;D

I agree on Spidey and Strange.  I love that one story where Strange casually reveals he knows Spidey's ID, and then later they're driving down the highway in a rental car chatting.
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 10, 2015, 06:15:25 AM
Trunks and Goten from DBZ.  Ludicrously tight lifelong friendship.  They make a hell of a couple.
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Post by: Red Exodus on June 10, 2015, 05:04:15 PM
-Spider-Man's got some great banter between other characters. Daredevil, Beast, Human Torch, and Black Cat
to name a few.

-Magneto & Charles have some very interesting scenes together. Its a real conflict, but there is always this
respect that one another has that remains, even despite their battles.

-Nightcrawler & Wolverine have a great friendship. Kurt playing the moral conscience to Logan is pretty fun.

-Hercules & Thor are that example of close friends who aren't above physically rough housing one another
without it ever being what destroys the friendship, but strangely, makes it stronger.

-Reed & Ben are the true odd couple. Reed blabbering about something ridiculously complex with Ben
needing to force him to explain it in a much more simplified English language.
Title: Re: Best hero/hero or villain/villain friendships?
Post by: Necro on June 11, 2015, 06:41:04 AM
Dr.Doom and Reed Richards.
They are constantly at odds with each other, and it is clear Doom would take every opportunity to defeat Reed, but there have been these odd, fun moments when they manage to go beyond the stereotypical hatred of each other, and show a humanizing glimpse behind Doom's mask.

Ever since Triumph and Torment, I also felt Strange and Doom are working in a similar, less antagonistic way.
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 11, 2015, 07:46:35 AM
I liked the issue--I think it was in some kind of special that Dwayne McDuffie wrote--that has Reed and Doom finishing their final, interrupted chess game from college.
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Post by: Dutchman on June 11, 2015, 07:41:05 PM
I liked the issue--I think it was in some kind of special that Dwayne McDuffie wrote--that has Reed and Doom finishing their final, interrupted chess game from college.
Haha, that was SOO good. Both of them remembering what the board looked like, after years of hating each other and fighting one another? And then picking up on it?
Lush.
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Post by: MTL76 on June 11, 2015, 08:05:26 PM
You're welcome.

peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-dinner-with-doom.html (http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-dinner-with-doom.html)
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Post by: Dutchman on June 11, 2015, 08:17:03 PM
You're welcome.

peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-dinner-with-doom.html (http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2014/09/my-dinner-with-doom.html)
I fucking love you.
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Post by: Whiskeyclone on June 11, 2015, 08:18:40 PM
Good calls Wolverine/Nightcrawler(/Colossus), Black Tom/Juggernaut, & Catman/Deadshot.

Obviously Bruce Wayne & Dick Grayson. Wolverine & kitty Pride, too.

I also always liked the poker games they'd show with Thing, Cap, Wolverine, and others, including ones who didn't usually interact all that much one-on-one.
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 11, 2015, 08:27:34 PM
Damn I'd forgotten how good that story was.

Brings a thought to mind. We all know Doom's feelings for his mother, but have we ever seen what he thought of his father? He's been seen a few times, but he's definitely the out-of-focus one of the von Doom family.

Good call on the poker games.
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Post by: Thanos6 on June 11, 2015, 08:30:36 PM
Oh, and the relationship Jarvis has with the Avengers. Not just their servant but also their confidante. That one issue focusing on him after Mr. Hyde nearly killed him was great, and there was this nice mini-story where Wolverine takes him out for beer.
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Post by: Dutchman on June 11, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Damn I'd forgotten how good that story was.

Brings a thought to mind. We all know Doom's feelings for his mother, but have we ever seen what he thought of his father? He's been seen a few times, but he's definitely the out-of-focus one of the von Doom family.
I think Doom's mother draws attention to his past more because she was taken by TEH DEBBUL whereas his father "just" froze to death in the cold (funny enough, the 90's animated series drew attention to his father more than his mother, because of this) I think he respected him as an inventor / man of science, but his mother was lost to him early in his life (respectively, seeing as Doom couldn't have been very old, despite his claims of REMEMBERING HER VIVIDLY like he did in the aforementioned story) but that might be Gypsy magic.

I wish they spent more attention to the good man, though. (Though they did in Books of Doom. Books of Doom is still pert good, despite it might not be 100% canonical, because of story reasons.)
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Post by: Dalek on June 11, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
Damn I'd forgotten how good that story was.

Brings a thought to mind. We all know Doom's feelings for his mother, but have we ever seen what he thought of his father? He's been seen a few times, but he's definitely the out-of-focus one of the von Doom family.
I think Doom's mother draws attention to his past more because she was taken by TEH DEBBUL whereas his father "just" froze to death in the cold (funny enough, the 90's animated series drew attention to his father more than his mother, because of this) I think he respected him as an inventor / man of science, but his mother was lost to him early in his life (respectively, seeing as Doom couldn't have been very old, despite his claims of REMEMBERING HER VIVIDLY like he did in the aforementioned story) but that might be Gypsy magic.

I wish they spent more attention to the good man, though. (Though they did in Books of Doom. Books of Doom is still pert good, despite it might not be 100% canonical, because of story reasons.)

Books of Doom is probably my favorite presentation of Doom in comics.