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Title: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on October 06, 2014, 02:43:35 AM
So I pretty much had the Bengals down as the best team in the AFC until all of a few hours ago. Wow, what a game. Patriots looked completely different from one week to the next. Finally decided to feature the TE's and allow Revis to play man. About damn time.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Clownprince23 on October 06, 2014, 06:39:03 AM
Yeah, I was picking the Bengals to win this one too.

My Panthers aren't doing nearly as well as I had hoped. I thought they were going to lose against the Bears, but surprisingly they got the win.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: fatnlazy on October 06, 2014, 12:24:34 PM
I'm in too much of a state of shock to really comment on anything. The Saints were so much better than this on paper.

Any Dallas freaks...Is this Ryan or the players? It's so bad, it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 06, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
I was probably the odd man out that picked New England to win last night, but only because

1) They're still shuffling after Logan Mankins' departure,

2) Home game for New England

3) Bengals, away, prime time? Fail and,

4) Brady and Bellicheck just don't embarrass themselves twice in a row.  I anticipated a rout. 

FWIW, I still think Cincinnati is probably the best team in the AFC, though I thought Baltimore was catching up (until I saw how easily the Kubiak rhythm offense was knocked off rhythm), and now I'm hoping that Baltimore can sneak in on a wildcard, and the Bengals get taken out by somebody else in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: 80sBaby on October 07, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
Any Dallas freaks...Is this Ryan or the players? It's so bad, it's hard to tell.

Dallas fan here...but even when they win they piss me off. That game shouldn't have been so close.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 07, 2014, 10:22:32 AM
Yeah, I was picking the Bengals to win this one too.

My Panthers aren't doing nearly as well as I had hoped. I thought they were going to lose against the Bears, but surprisingly they got the win.
I figured they would be fucked. But honestly the Panthers are doing BETTER than I thought. Kelvin Benjamin has been the real deal and will only get better. That offensive line got blown to hell by retirements and free agency. Best player on the D is out and probably will never play for the Panthers again. All in all, not that bad given how things have shaken out for the team personnel wise this past offseason and season. I mean shit, top 3 rbs are all hurt.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Clownprince23 on October 07, 2014, 04:02:49 PM
Yeah, I was picking the Bengals to win this one too.

My Panthers aren't doing nearly as well as I had hoped. I thought they were going to lose against the Bears, but surprisingly they got the win.
I figured they would be fucked. But honestly the Panthers are doing BETTER than I thought. Kelvin Benjamin has been the real deal and will only get better. That offensive line got blown to hell by retirements and free agency. Best player on the D is out and probably will never play for the Panthers again. All in all, not that bad given how things have shaken out for the team personnel wise this past offseason and season. I mean shit, top 3 rbs are all hurt.

If we had spent the money on Mitchell and Munerlyn instead of Hardy and kept Smith we would be in a lot better position, but that's all hindsight. Also injuries have been horrible. Davis keeps getting hurt, our rb's are out, and Cam still doesn't look fully recovered from his ankle and ribs.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 07, 2014, 04:39:53 PM
Yeah, I was picking the Bengals to win this one too.

My Panthers aren't doing nearly as well as I had hoped. I thought they were going to lose against the Bears, but surprisingly they got the win.
I figured they would be fucked. But honestly the Panthers are doing BETTER than I thought. Kelvin Benjamin has been the real deal and will only get better. That offensive line got blown to hell by retirements and free agency. Best player on the D is out and probably will never play for the Panthers again. All in all, not that bad given how things have shaken out for the team personnel wise this past offseason and season. I mean shit, top 3 rbs are all hurt.

If we had spent the money on Mitchell and Munerlyn instead of Hardy and kept Smith we would be in a lot better position, but that's all hindsight. Also injuries have been horrible. Davis keeps getting hurt, our rb's are out, and Cam still doesn't look fully recovered from his ankle and ribs.
On the field, Hardy is the real fucking deal. Couldn't predict him losing his mind and getting into that crazy domestic. At the time, the Panthers were more than right to prioritize Hardy over the rest. Hardy is the best DE in the NFL right now besides JJ Watt and Quinn (the latter of which is having a shit season thus far).
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Clownprince23 on October 07, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
I agree that he's worth it when he's on the field. That's why I said hindsight. They couldn't have predicted this. It just sucks that they spent all that money and don't get to play him.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 07, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
At least he is on a franchise tag. He has no cap implications for next year if he is cut or suspended following a guilty verdict. May give the Panthers an advantage in contract talks actually.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 07, 2014, 08:19:10 PM
JJ Watt might just be the best *player* in football, or at least top 3... (I have a hard time putting him above Peyton, though if physicality is somehow ranked more than effectiveness/efficiency, he easily takes it.)
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Crab Master on October 12, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
Is it safe to feel that Rex Ryan has a serious chance of losing his job this year?
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 12, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
God, I hope so. 

Meanwhile, Kubiak probably deserves a raise, after today's performance.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 13, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
JJ Watt might just be the best *player* in football, or at least top 3... (I have a hard time putting him above Peyton, though if physicality is somehow ranked more than effectiveness/efficiency, he easily takes it.)

JJ Watt is without question the best individual player in football. Is he more valuable than Peyton, or Aaron Rodgers, Brady, or Brees? No. As QBs they have a far greater influence on the game than Watt does. But he is still the best in the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 17, 2014, 05:55:34 PM
Percy Harvin traded to the Jets. But if I'm a Jets fan, I'm wondering why. At 1-6, their season is already over.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000412440/article/seattle-seahawks-trade-percy-harvin-to-new-york-jets
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11718459/seattle-seahawks-trade-percy-harvin-new-york-jets
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 17, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
JJ Watt might just be the best *player* in football, or at least top 3... (I have a hard time putting him above Peyton, though if physicality is somehow ranked more than effectiveness/efficiency, he easily takes it.)

JJ Watt is without question the best individual player in football. Is he more valuable than Peyton, or Aaron Rodgers, Brady, or Brees? No. As QB's they have a far greater influence oon the game than Watt does. But he is still the best in the game.

I completely agree with Prime here. Watt is the best player at his respective position in the NFL. That doesn't make him the most valuable though.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 17, 2014, 06:17:19 PM
Just saw this on bleacher report. That is wild. I think Idzik did it to save his job. As bad as the Jets have been, its not as much Rex Ryan's fault as it is Idzik. The Jets have shit personnel, especially at the skill positions on O. The secondary is shit too. Draft picks just haven't worked out.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 17, 2014, 06:24:21 PM
On paper it gives the Jets a lot less excuses and the ability to get an accurate look at how good or bad Geno Smith is. Harvin gives them a dynamo in the slot that they can churn out catches to. Percy Harvin should not neccesarily be a #1, but a guy like Randall Cobb in GB they can get a lot of catches in the slot, and move him around for jet sweeps and a few carries out of the backfield here and there. But to do that they need a nominal number one wideout to play the X, which the Jets do have in Eric Decker (although he is overrated).
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 17, 2014, 09:18:06 PM
But how well can Harvin pass in the WildCat?!?
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 17, 2014, 09:36:33 PM
Idzik probably did do this in an attempt to save his job, but the fact remains, it is too little, too late. He was 20+ mil under the salary cap going into the season. And I get the fact that he is going to need to take care of Wilkerson next year, and Richardson in a couple. But there were key players, coming off of down years, that signed one year deals with other teams. Nicks and Revis may have cost you that cap space this year, but would've been playing for a contract and off the books the next. It would've only been a band-aid for their problems at receiver and corner, but they would be in a much better position today. and if you couldn't get Revis, because there's a possibility that he couldn't, Cromartie WANTED to be back here. And not only is he good, the fans really like him. There was absolutely no reason to go into the season with Milner as your number one and Kyle Wilson as your 2. That's just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 18, 2014, 12:25:23 AM
Hell, Idzik could *possibly* have gotten Steve Smith, which would have done a great deal of work in making Geno look a lot better than he is.

But I'm sure Decker will work out, all by himself.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 18, 2014, 01:35:30 AM
Steve Smith wouldn't fit in with the Jets. He has no tolerance or patience for ineptitude.  He'd hate Geno Smth and wouldn't hide it. In the New York media market, that would take on a life of its own.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: thetruth on October 18, 2014, 08:52:21 AM
J.J.Watt is easily the best player in the league.  Pro football focus currently has him with a grade approximately 2x his nearest competition ( which is by far the widest margin at any position).,  my fantasy league which happens to account for idp stats also has him with a cumulative score approximately 2x the nearest DL.  Neither of these are objective measures,  but they are pieces of the puzzle for me.  Combine that with the eyeball test of just watching him play...and he's this generations Reggie White, IMO.   And Reggie white is the most dominant player I've ever seen play live.

With all that said, nobody is going to trade a top 10qb for Watt.   A good qb is just that important.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 20, 2014, 12:40:29 AM
I doubt Steve Smith would have willingly gone to New York. He'd talked about possibly going to the Ravens a few years back and the fact that he really liked Harbaugh and Flacco. Besides he's having a career year.

Speaking of Flacco. WTF happened to Matt Ryan. Remember when these two got drafted back in 2008 and everyone thought Ryan was a stud and Flacco was so-so. Now all Flacco does is win and has a big fat super bowl ring and MVP trophy. While Matt Ryan..................

(http://i.imgur.com/2AeX5.jpg)


And wtf is going on with Carolina? I thought they had a top 5 defense.  Ron Rivera is about to get fired at this rate.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 20, 2014, 01:40:02 AM
Matt Ryan is hamstrung by a sieve of an offensive line, and terrible defense. Outside of himself and the WR's, that team needs upgrades everywhere else. Its mostly on the GM. Panthers lost Greg Hardy and basically let their entire starting secondary from last year leave in Free agency. The state of their defense reflects that.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 20, 2014, 01:50:10 AM
Matt Ryan is hamstrung by a sieve of an offensive line, and terrible defense. Outside of himself and the WR's, that team needs upgrades everywhere else. Its mostly on the GM. Panthers lost Greg Hardy and basically let their entire starting secondary from last year leave in Free agency. The state of their defense reflects that.

Yep.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 20, 2014, 04:25:17 PM
What about Gary Manning's breaking that record last night against the Giants?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0Z3IjCCUAAD1LJ.png:large)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2238192-tv-station-uses-photo-of-gary-payton-while-talking-about-mannings-td-record?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming


How does this even happen?

Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning became the NFL's all-time passing touchdowns leader Sunday night. While talking about the record, one television station used a picture of basketball Hall of Famer Gary Payton instead of one of Manning.

Yeah, that's not even close.

Payton did find it pretty funny, howe.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 20, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
All them Peytons look alike.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 20, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
I'd still take Ryan over Flacco on my team, any day.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 20, 2014, 06:08:54 PM
spoken like a last minute Fantasy player. Romo and Ryan can put up some fantasy points, but if I need someone in the playoffs or crunch time when it really counts. Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Flacco, Eli, Wilson, Rothlisberger. Accept no substitutes.


Anyway looking forward to watching the Texans front 7 demolish the Steelers tonight
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 20, 2014, 06:11:23 PM
Are you Ammar or Stu?
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 20, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
spoken like a last minute Fantasy player. Romo and Ryan can put up some fantasy points, but if I need someone in the playoffs or crunch time when it really counts. Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Flacco, Eli, Wilson, Rothlisberger. Accept no substitutes.

Spoken like someone who doesn't win that much in fantasy.  Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Cam, and usually, Stafford.  Even as a Ravens fan who loves Flacco, he, Eli and Romo don't belong in the categories of "reliable", "consistent" or "crunch".  In game time, sure, they're great to have, but if I had a nickel for every time Eli failed to crack 15, I'd have a pocket full of nickels.  Flacco scored 7 points agains Indy.  Romo had abysmal games in Weeks 1 and 2. 

Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 20, 2014, 07:47:34 PM
I'm not talking about Fantasy
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 20, 2014, 07:57:46 PM
Withdrawn, your honor.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 20, 2014, 08:51:07 PM
your point was valid in terms of fantasy, i worded my post poorly. I just meant proven franchise QBs that are adequate in the regular season and can turn it on in the playoffs.

Fantasy gets me mad, too many variables I can't account for. I'll never forget the year I drafted Kevin Kolb and he got me .2 Fantasy points. When he got that concussion and Vick went in (2011 I think).  Lost my game by about 2 fantasy points.

And this year I got fucking Adrian Peterson, and thought I was being smart picking up Ray Rice in the last round (pre-video) as a back up running-back. Oh also had the Panthers defense. So yeah suffice to say I suck at fantasy drafts.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 20, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
No worries.  In my opinion, fantasy isn't really about the draft -- it's about the moves you make after.  Everybody's guessing at the draft, basically.  Most of the top 10 drafted were frigging busts.  How you deal with that and move on is what make fantasy worth playing, IMO.

Or... at least that's my excuse for generally having shitty drafts and then still working out winning seasons.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
I'd still take Ryan over Flacco on my team, any day.

Matt Ryan is Peyton Manning in his regular season excellence (barring the past two years of injuries on O and ineffective blocking) and postseason mediocrity. Flacco is Eli Manning in his up & down regular season performances, but if he can get to the playoffs? Look out.

It's Flacco.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 03:11:34 PM
No worries.  In my opinion, fantasy isn't really about the draft -- it's about the moves you make after.  Everybody's guessing at the draft, basically.  Most of the top 10 drafted were frigging busts.  How you deal with that and move on is what make fantasy worth playing, IMO.

Or... at least that's my excuse for generally having shitty drafts and then still working out winning seasons.

Yeah, it's all about making week to week adjustments. Last year in my work league (which the commish fucked up points and made us start two Qb's) I lost Arian Foster, Julio Jones, Sam Bradford, and Reggie Wayne to IR, somehow managed to get my team to .500, make the playoffs and make it all the way to the chip where i finally lost. Have to be able to identify free agents and waiver worthy guys before the next guy figures it out.
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 22, 2014, 04:02:04 PM
I'd still take Ryan over Flacco on my team, any day.

Matt Ryan is Peyton Manning in his regular season excellence (barring the past two years of injuries on O and ineffective blocking) and postseason mediocrity. Flacco is Eli Manning in his up & down regular season performances, but if he can get to the playoffs? Look out.

It's Flacco.


Matt Ryan is a poor man's Tony Romo. Comparing him to Peyton is far too kind. Ryan underachieved when the Falcons had a great team around him.  At least Peyton lacked a defense when he was in Indy.  And when the Broncos lost to Baltimore that was more on his defense again. Ravens spotted the Broncos 2 special teams touchdowns and held Peyton to 3 touchdowns, but were still able to pull off a win.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2006503/rahimno.gif)

The loss to Seattle the whole team got waxed. I don't mind people blaming Peyton for that but Seattle just dominated in every facet of the game.


Eli and Flacco are two good QBs who have benefited from good organizations. Eli is so lucky he forced himself out of San Diego. Eli's kind of an anomaly to me. Just when I count him out he becomes Superman. And when I expect him to be good he stinks. The Flacco comparison is a shallow one to me. They have different tendencies, strengths and weakness as QBs.


Flacco’s had some inconsistencies, but I think there are reasons for those inconsistencies. Cam Cameron, holding the ball too long and obviously he is more of a pure pocket guy. I’ve never been really sold on the Ravens skill position guys either. During the Superbow season, if you watch the game film you see receivers that are essentially covered in man coverage. He’s had to make a lot of tight throws. Now his receivers can make a lot of contested catches, we know that is Boldin’s game. End of the day we know Flacco is willing to make difficult throws and he’s got the strongest arm in the league. Torrey Smith is the deep threat, with ok hands. Jacoby Jones is fast, but pretty inconsistent. Steve Smith was a big pick up this season. The loss of Pitta hurts, but Owen Daniels has stepped up so far.

Over the years Flacco’s gotten better at stretching plays and moving around in the pocket, which I think surprised a lot of defenses. And he was doing this consistently during the Super Bowl run.  End of the day it comes down to whether he is in the pocket or off movement he can make throws. I’m a believer in that. I think arm strength in this league matters. I think people who think arm strength doesn’t matter or is overrated are dead wrong.  I think Flacco's historically had a good defense to prop him up as well. Ravens defense has been declining for a few years but they are still solid. The secondary is questionable, but that front 7 is great. And considering Flacco's under a whole new offensive system and coordinator I think he's doing a pretty good job.

I'm slightly harder on Matt Ryan because he had elite offensive weapons through his first 4 years, and he fell short. Outside of maybe Tony Romo, Ryan had better offensive talent around him than most other QBs, with a pretty good defense to back him up.


Eli's just a ballsy dude. Can anyone truly give Manning credit for David Tyree’s catch? A few plays earlier, the sure-handed Asante Samuel dropped an easy interception. Still, the willingness to make stick throws into tight windows is a positive in the NFL, not a negative. There’s no question he’s thrown some poor interceptions in his career, but he’s also pulled the trigger and completed balls on passes other quarterbacks would not have even attempted.  Giants always struck me as a meh team that could turn it on if the defense was playing well. I've never been too impressed with the offensive talent around Eli. It's never been awful, but nothing special to me, which is why I give Eli more credit than most.


Eli with the two magical post season runs and Super Bowl wins. I don't know what to make of the Giants, they drift from these extremes far too often. They are tied with the Redskins as the worst team in the NFC East right now.  As for the Falcons, well their season is over. Might as well tank for the draft.

Flacco gives you stability, and he's been a pretty consistent winner. With a decent team around him Flacco gives you 10 to 12 wins and a shot to make some noise in the playoffs. Last year was kind of a wash, massive O-line injuries, Ray Rice injury, no number 1 receiver, and the defense going through a rebuilding period.  Ravens offense is going through some growing pains this year as well. They haven't beaten anyone good. The two games they lost (Bengals and Colts) the defense played well and gave the offense plenty of chances to win. Losses weren't all Flacco (dropped passes/fumbles).

Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Prime on October 22, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
I'd still take Ryan over Flacco on my team, any day.

Matt Ryan is Peyton Manning in his regular season excellence (barring the past two years of injuries on O and ineffective blocking) and postseason mediocrity. Flacco is Eli Manning in his up & down regular season performances, but if he can get to the playoffs? Look out.

It's Flacco.


Matt Ryan is a poor man's Tony Romo. Comparing him to Peyton is far too kind. Ryan underachieved when the Falcons had a great team around him.  At least Peyton lacked a defense when he was in Indy.  And when the Broncos lost to Baltimore that was more on his defense again. Ravens spotted the Broncos 2 special teams touchdowns and held Peyton to 3 touchdowns, but were still able to pull off a win.


Matt Ryan's game is nothing like Manning's at all. I was simply talking about their regular/post season successes or lack thereof.

Peyton not having a defense is a myth. In 02, he had the 7th ranked defense in pts allowed (19) and was one and done in the playoffs. In 2005, 2nd in pts allowed (like 15 points a game, the Seahawks last year gave up 14 pts a game, for comparison) again one and done. 2007 (16), 1st in pts allowed one and done, AGAIN. 2008 7th (18 per) one and done.

 It's a myth Peyton's fans use to prop him up when people compare him to Brady. If that whole "Peyton would have won chips had he had a defense in Indy" were actually true, Peyton should be sitting on at least 4 Super Bowl rings right now.


I'll address the rest of your post later on
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 22, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
Anyway looking forward to watching the Texans front 7 demolish the Steelers tonight

How'd that work out?
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on October 22, 2014, 06:25:31 PM
Anyway looking forward to watching the Texans front 7 demolish the Steelers tonight

How'd that work out?

about as good as my cousins vacation to Ottawa (true story)
Title: Re: NFL 2014
Post by: issue9mm on October 22, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
I was starting Andre Johnson and Arian Foster, and I'm a Ravens fan... so I was definitely rooting for Houston to demolish Pitttsburgh.  Alas.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 12:39:45 AM
Titans to start Mettenburger!

Maybe this season could get better. It'll be nice having an accurate QB who can throw for long passes. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 01:21:51 AM
PTF! Good to have you back.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 07:27:11 AM
Yes, now all we need is Tim Tebow back in the NFL and all will be right.

...

Seriously, I would rather have had Tim Tebow than Jake The Hurt Locker or Clipboard Jesus.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 09:12:57 AM
I don't know what Mettenberger can bring.  But at this point, if I am the Titans? Suck for the duck. Do what you have to do to get Mariota. The Jags or Raiders will get that #1 overall and trade it because they already have Bortles/Carr.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 09:16:26 AM
Uck. I don't like Mariota. At all. I'd rather have Winston.

And I believe Mettenburger will be pretty darn good and we won't need a QB. I was happy when we got him. To me he was one of the top three QB coming out of the draft.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 09:30:47 AM
Winston can play, no doubt about it. Great pocket passer. But his throwing motion is a bit long, and he isn't super mobile. And those character issues....


Physically Mariota has everything you'd want in a modern NFL QB across the board and is a guy you'd let date your daughter. Humble as all hell. But, he doesn't play in a pro style offense. Still, the risk/reward is worth it, in my opinion. Brett Hundley has it all too, but I would not take him over Winston.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on October 25, 2014, 12:13:10 PM
Titans to start Mettenburger!

Maybe this season could get better. It'll be nice having an accurate QB who can throw for long passes. :)

And all he needs is an O-line, because below the neck, the guy's a statue.  I'd start Houston DEF this week.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 12:56:28 PM
Titans to start Mettenburger!

Maybe this season could get better. It'll be nice having an accurate QB who can throw for long passes. :)

And all he needs is an O-line, because below the neck, the guy's a statue.  I'd start Houston DEF this week.

Better said than done. It's unfortunate, because going back 4-5 years, the Titans offensive line was one the top 3 in the League. They have tried to reload and seriously invest in that O-Line between free agency and draft picks, but it hasn't worked out. Chance Warmack and Taylor Lewan haven't panned out so far as 1st round picks. Andy Levitre was great for the Bills, but was ordinary after the Titans signed him last year, and is flat out bad this year. Michael Oher is also shit after they signed him in free agency, but he was supposed to be a bridge type for Lewan while Lewan got up to speed. Michael Roos, who is a top 10 tackle, just went out for the season on IR, so Lewan has to start at LT, and he is nowhere near ready to take over for Roos yet. The Titans made serious investments in that O-Line like the Cowboys, but the Cowboys hit on all of their picks and free agent targets, and the Titans have not. Sucks for them.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
I will say this about Winston. He is the real fucking deal. Shows up in big moments in big games and makes plays. I think his completion percentage and ypa dropped a bit, but he got broken down by analysts and they were talking about it being due to him actually improving as a passer, not getting worse. Instead of taking sacks, he is throwing the ball away. Now that he has less talent around him that can get open in the passing game, he throws to his checkdowns more. The kid can play. His issues off the field just make him more and more radioactive. When you have an ego and are as irresponsible as he is, introducing more money and more fame to someone like that can make things far worse than they already are. And its already pretty bad. Could lose his eligibility soon, and for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
According to Jay Glazer on Twitter, DT Gerald McCoy from the Bucs just got a 7 year extension for around 100 million.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 01:18:01 PM
I'll give you Chance Warmack, but Taylor Lewan has been doing a great job at left tackle. Heck, last week he was the only lineman not to get a penalty on him. He's done a great job. The rest...yeah. I mean Oher's better than I thought he was, Levitre makes me want to punch my TV. But I'm going to be nice and cut them a small break because it's hard for an offensive line to deal with switching QBs. I'll give them a few weeks to regain my faith since we're sticking with Mettenburger now.

Honestly, the O-line is one of my minor annoyances with the Titans.

For some reason they refuse to run with Sankey he's looked pretty darn good to me. Better than Shonn Green. And hopefully, I won't deal with him anymore now that Andrews is going to be promoted from practice squad. I mean, we trail at any point during the game--we abandon the run. Heck, we get ahead by twenty-five points, we stop running the ball. And I do not want to see Leon Washington at RB. After last year I don't mind him fielding returns, but on the offense. No.

The defense. Courtney is good, and I think we got the better twin brother. The D-line is great and we resigned Casey at a steal. The rest of the secondary...that's the problem. Michael Griffin. Okay, I believe every saftey makes mistakes in a game. Even the best. But when he makes his few mistakes THE ARE HUGE GAME CHANGING MITAKES. Williamson as a rookie is doing great though. Morgan's transitioned to LB really well. But it's a new scheme so it'll take time. Definetly need to get a CB though.

Wilson...uh. In Cincinnati he had three choices.

1. Intercept the ball and return it for a pick six and save the game.
2. Destroy Dalton
3. Completely whiff on Dalton and let him score a touchdown as a wide receiver.

Yep.

But on the positive side Delanie Walker has been awesome. Wright has been great too. I like Sankey. Lewan's doing a great job at LT and better than Roos was sadly.

The Titans do have offensive weapons but Jake Locker isn't accurate at all and Whitehurst...well, I guess five and eight yard passes accurately thrown is a...inch up.

Man, that Titans vs Cowboys game--friggin' Jake Locker man.! Throws behind a reciever and nearly gets the ball picked off--and then he throws an interception right to that same defender the next play!

And for the record, Steve McNair would not be taken out of a game with a bruised thumb!

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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 01:20:25 PM
According to Jay Glazer on Twitter, DT Gerald McCoy from the Bucs just got a 7 year extension for around 100 million.

Why not?! Heck you signed the high school coach for a good bit of change! Man, the Bucs have been bad. High school blowout bad.

And for Winston...I swear it seems he's the only one who is play at the top of his game for the Seminoles and is pulling them to victory
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
According to Jay Glazer on Twitter, DT Gerald McCoy from the Bucs just got a 7 year extension for around 100 million.

Why not?! Heck you signed the high school coach for a good bit of change! Man, the Bucs have been bad. High school blowout bad.

And for Winston...I swear it seems he's the only one who is play at the top of his game for the Seminoles and is pulling them to victory
McCoy is the real deal. The past two years he has been the best pass rushing 3-technique in the NFL. He and Suh were neck and neck with Mccoy having the edge against the pass, and Suh the edge against the run. This deal was coming. He has had a rough season this year, but McCoy is a beast.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 02:06:44 PM
I'll give you Chance Warmack, but Taylor Lewan has been doing a great job at left tackle. Heck, last week he was the only lineman not to get a penalty on him. He's done a great job. The rest...yeah. I mean Oher's better than I thought he was, Levitre makes me want to punch my TV. But I'm going to be nice and cut them a small break because it's hard for an offensive line to deal with switching QBs. I'll give them a few weeks to regain my faith since we're sticking with Mettenburger now.

Honestly, the O-line is one of my minor annoyances with the Titans.

For some reason they refuse to run with Sankey he's looked pretty darn good to me. Better than Shonn Green. And hopefully, I won't deal with him anymore now that Andrews is going to be promoted from practice squad. I mean, we trail at any point during the game--we abandon the run. Heck, we get ahead by twenty-five points, we stop running the ball. And I do not want to see Leon Washington at RB. After last year I don't mind him fielding returns, but on the offense. No.

The defense. Courtney is good, and I think we got the better twin brother. The D-line is great and we resigned Casey at a steal. The rest of the secondary...that's the problem. Michael Griffin. Okay, I believe every saftey makes mistakes in a game. Even the best. But when he makes his few mistakes THE ARE HUGE GAME CHANGING MITAKES. Williamson as a rookie is doing great though. Morgan's transitioned to LB really well. But it's a new scheme so it'll take time. Definetly need to get a CB though.

Wilson...uh. In Cincinnati he had three choices.

1. Intercept the ball and return it for a pick six and save the game.
2. Destroy Dalton
3. Completely whiff on Dalton and let him score a touchdown as a wide receiver.

Yep.

But on the positive side Delanie Walker has been awesome. Wright has been great too. I like Sankey. Lewan's doing a great job at LT and better than Roos was sadly.

The Titans do have offensive weapons but Jake Locker isn't accurate at all and Whitehurst...well, I guess five and eight yard passes accurately thrown is a...inch up.

Man, that Titans vs Cowboys game--friggin' Jake Locker man.! Throws behind a reciever and nearly gets the ball picked off--and then he throws an interception right to that same defender the next play!

And for the record, Steve McNair would not be taken out of a game with a bruised thumb!



You mean Jason McCourty? He's pretty good, but Devin is better. Devin McCourty is legitimately one of the best 4 free safeties in football. Earl Thomas and Jarius Byrd (when not on IR and used correctly by a defensive coordinator) are the only free safeties I can say are definitively better than him.
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Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 02:14:13 PM
Overall, that is. Strictly as a corner, Jason is better. When Devin had to flip his hips and turn and run full out in coverage as a corner he COULD NOT track the ball with his back to the QB. Alwayd played his man, so he'd get pass interference calls on him regularly, or he'd try to track the ball and give up the reception. At FS, he can keep everything in front of him, where he is at his best.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 25, 2014, 03:11:25 PM
I don't know every time I can catch a Pats game, I haven't been impressed. Like the Jets game. He never stands out to me on the field.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
The secondary has been good. Patriots don't give up many plays over 20 yards and have given up zero over 40. Means your high safety is doing his job cutting off the deep ball. They haven't looked fantastic because of our poor run defense and average at best pass rush. Need to force QB's to throw quicker with that rush or the best secondaries can look ordinary. Seahawks went from 1st to in twenties defensively because their pass rush hasn't been able to weather the loss of Chris Clemons and Red Bryant.  Forcing the QB to make throws before he wants to or force it to make plays causes turnovers.
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Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
Yeah, looking at the stats, Pats defense is #1 in net yards passing allowed per game. Longest pass play given up so far is 38 yards, which also leads the league. But we are 24th against the run in yards per game. Which is why we are middle of the pack more or less in overall yards allowed per game and pts allowed per game (12th for now)

Things may change over the next few weeks though. Got Cutler, Manning, Rodgers, Stafford in the pipeline and our best defensive lineman and pass rusher Chandler Jones is out with a hip injury for at least a month and maybe the season according to reports.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on October 25, 2014, 05:24:59 PM
Michael Oher is also shit after they signed him in free agency, but he was supposed to be a bridge type for Lewan while Lewan got up to speed.

I think that, for the most part, it should just be good advice not to take Ozzie Newsome throwaways. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 25, 2014, 05:58:13 PM
Eh, he has the physical talent to play. Don't know what happened to him. He is like 3 years removed from being one of the best RT's in football.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on October 26, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Eh, he has the physical talent to play. Dont know what happened to him. He is like 3 years removed from being on of the best RT's in football.

*shrugs*

He's a head case who doesn't seem to take to NFL coaching very well. He went downhill fast over his last 2 years in Baltimore. I was glad to see him go.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 26, 2014, 11:53:10 AM
About fucking time you showed up AJ. Welcome back.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on October 26, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
With the second pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select...
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 26, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
Why in the world do The Titans keep putting Leon Washington in on third downs?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 26, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
The Lions had a pretty damn good comeback today.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 27, 2014, 07:23:00 AM
Well, I think they kind of got lucky with that field goal, but a win's a win and The Falcons.

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Wow.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2014, 04:22:21 PM
Tampa Bay Bucs traded S Mark Barron to the St Louis Rams. Bucs are also wrapping up a trade to the Pats for LB Jonathan Casillas (no clue who this guy is, which is rare for me) as well, according to reports.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
Clearly the Bucs are having a straight up fire sale.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2014, 04:33:18 PM
Hey, when you get blown out High School Football style you gotta do something.

...

Something not be the right thing to do, but something! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2014, 05:01:43 PM
Oh yeah, tell the Titans GM thanks for gifting the Pats Akeem Ayers next time you run into him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on October 28, 2014, 05:11:04 PM
Hey, when you get blown out High School Football style you gotta do something.

...

Something not be the right thing to do, but something! :)
Sending us Tim Wright in return for Mankins made sense for them, needed the OL help. Also was good to get rid of Barron. He is below average to average at best. 3 picks and 2 sacks in his 2.5 year career. Not what you want out of a #7 overall strong safety. At least they got something for him instead of just choosing not to give him a new deal.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2014, 02:20:03 PM
Oh yeah, tell the Titans GM thanks for gifting the Pats Akeem Ayers next time you run into him.

We stopped talking after I told him he should play Akeem Ayers. :)

I knew that was a dumb trade, but not playing him was even dumber. The Titans need to get their stuff together because I'm getting really tired of watching team that seems to hate it's own players.

At least Mettenburger looked alright for a guy who got rushed in as starter.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 02, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
Well. Looks like my Pats are the real deal. It's all about Gronk. He opens up everything when he is playing at 100%. Gronk is the best TE in football, the best red zone player in football, and one of the 5 best receivers in football. Period.
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Post by: issue9mm on November 02, 2014, 08:23:59 PM
No kidding.  It's always funny to me when people start hopping on the "Pats Suck" train. 

I mean, they looked horrible last year, compared to their usual self, and finished what, 11-5? 12-4?  Something pretty damn great anyway. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 02, 2014, 11:53:14 PM
I'm glad my team never used Akeem Ayers and traded him. Lord knows how much help he could have been to us but..

A six round pick. Yay.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 03, 2014, 02:30:03 AM
I DID tell you to thank your Titans GM for that gift.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2014, 06:33:58 AM
You know what your team's real strength is? Finding the most moronic people in front offices and tricking them out of good players.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 03, 2014, 08:40:16 AM
I still think if the Pats had a healthy Gronk in that 2nd Super Bowl against the Giants, or even the last two years in the playoffs, Brady has one more ring at least, maybe two. The only knock against Gronkowski is staying healthy. Only reason people put Jimmy Graham ahead of him is his durability issues. When he is healthy and on the field, he's a fucking monster.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
Oh, I'd put Gronk ahead of Graham. Because I know Gronk won't wuss out if he knew a big hit was coming...unlike a certain someone! :)
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Post by: Prime on November 03, 2014, 09:29:02 AM
The one difference that puts Gronk ahead of receiving Tight Ends in the NFL currently is he is not a finesse player like the top receiving TE's are. Jimmy Graham is big, and can use his body to "box out" corners but he is NOT physical at all. Same with Vernon Davis, even Julius Thomas. If you can put a big corner or safety on those top receiving TE's and hit them consistently, they won't be all that effective. It's why Aqib Talib was able to erase Graham last year, and Kam Chancellor owned Graham and Davis last year. Browner was all over Thomas in coverage last night. Hitting Gronk isn't going to take him out of the game, have to double him. He's damn near impossible to single cover. Those other guys, you can pull it off if you have a cover guy who has size and can play physical man coverage.

Only guy I know of that can take Gronk out of a game or lessen his effectiveness is Rex Ryan. The guy is a fucking defensive genius, give him guys off of the street and he'll come up with a smoke and mirrors coverage package and make Brady's life hell throwing the ball. But it's still bracket coverage. Seriously, Ryan isn't a head coach, but he is absolutely one of the top 2-3 defensive minds in football, period.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on November 03, 2014, 03:36:46 PM
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I figured since the Cardinals having the best of anything is a once in a lifetime happening, I had better put this up while I can.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on November 03, 2014, 05:49:04 PM
Not a big fan of the Pats, but Gronk is off the chain. His game was retarded.

Jimmy doesn't shy away from hits so much, as he can be bullied and taken out the game mentally early on, hampering his overall performance. He has taken some huge shots in the past and kept going.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 03, 2014, 06:47:06 PM
Not a big fan of the Pats, but Gronk is off the chain. His game was retarded.

Jimmy doesn't shy away from hits so much, as he can be bullied and taken out the game mentally early on, hampering his overall performance. He has taken some huge shots in the past and kept going.

Not saying Graham fears physical play. Graham is just a straight up overgrown receiver. But like most receivers, if you play physical man coverage on him, you can seriously disrupt his routes. Easier said than done because he is a mismatch, buts its doable. That doesn't work on Gronk at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2014, 11:25:10 PM
Someone needs to teach the Giants how to catch. On both sides of the field.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 09, 2014, 10:52:17 PM
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I think The Packers might be a tad better than the Bears this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 10, 2014, 10:40:10 AM
The Bears defense is criminally bad. Personally I think the Tampa-2 is highly outdated and doesn't really work when you consider how offenses have evolved. But to have a successful Tampa-2, you need a great front four (the Bears don't) and great linebackers, especially at the Mike and Will spots (again, they don't). Jared Allen is done. Lance Briggs is done. Peanut Tillman is out for the season with a triceps injury and closer to done than not. The Bears defense is fucked and needs to be gutted and probably switch schemes.

The offense though? No fucking excuse. Two Pro bowl caliber wideouts who are both huge physical players, a tight end who is a good red zone target, and a RB who is as good a dual threat as there is in the league right now (Forte was second in the league in receptions going into this week). Cutler may be the biggest cocktease of misleading talent I have ever seen. You put Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Wilson, Luck or Brees in his place, and they would be destroying defenses all over the league. It's fucking shameful.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 10, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
Tampa Two? Man, it looked like they had that plus two different zones playing all at once.

And yeah...Cutler. Guy's like an imperfect Eli Manning. The two are a lot alike, both don't inspire their team and both...well can make stupid mistakes. But Eli does a better job shaking off a mistake he makes or someone else makes, doesn't complain, and tries not to do the same mistake over and over. And yeah, most of the time Eli seems to be in his own little world, but he doesn't seem indifferent like Cutler always is.

Cutler. Rinse and Repeat. He makes the same dumb mistakes and he's a jerk. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 10, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/NorthLeaf10/10628168_10152663285126773_8652438851908329685_n.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/NorthLeaf10/media/10628168_10152663285126773_8652438851908329685_n.jpg.html)

I figured since the Cardinals having the best of anything is a once in a lifetime happening, I had better put this up while I can.
I'm not sure about the Cards. Yeah they are a good team, don't get me wrong. But I feel like they are one of the most flawed top teams, even if Palmer hadn't just torn his acl. Bruce Arians is a hell of an offensive mind, but his passing O is risky as hell, and can lead to a lot of turnovers, since it is all about pushing the ball downfield with lower percentage throws. The Cards run D is beastly, but against the pass? They give up a lot of yardage and are blitz heavy. QB's who can go through their reads quick and get rid of the ball can take advantage of a blitzing D. You probably aren't going to beat Brady, or Manning because they are too advanced to not find the holes in a blitz, Rodgers will buy time and make you pay going over the top on the move. But we'll see.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 10, 2014, 03:22:21 PM
Tampa Two? Man, it looked like they had that plus two different zones playing all at once.

And yeah...Cutler. Guy's like an imperfect Eli Manning. The two are a lot alike, both don't inspire their team and both...well can make stupid mistakes. But Eli does a better job shaking off a mistake he makes or someone else makes, doesn't complain, and tries not to do the same mistake over and over. And yeah, most of the time Eli seems to be in his own little world, but he doesn't seem indifferent like Cutler always is.

Cutler. Rinse and Repeat. He makes the same dumb mistakes and he's a jerk. Plain and simple.

I wouldn't say that. El Manning isn't as talented as Cutler. Cutler could easily be the same player Aaron Rodgers is, if he could use his brain. He has that level of physical talent. He has a gunslinger mentality like Favre but screws up rather than makes a big play more often than not. That and he has no clutch playing ability whatsoever.  When the stakes are high, he ALWAYS folds. Always. Which is weird, because coming out of Vanderbilt, he carried that team on his fucking back. He was the real deal in college. But his team hated him. I got that straight from a former NFL player I know, that played with him at Vanderbilt.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 10, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
Hey, remember when he pushed an offensive lineman? He's not exactly a motivator.

Sigh, next Monday is going to stink. Everyone I know is a Colts, Cowboys, or Steelers fan. They get their shot next week. What can you do when you have a running back dominate a defense...and then you put in Shonn Green and Leon Washington?! :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on November 14, 2014, 10:43:39 PM
The NFL Network's Football Life episode on the '72 Dolphins Perfect Backfield (Csonka, Kiick, Morris) was pretty cool.

Granting it helps being a NFL history and Fins fan, but it was still a nice show. Seeing all three up in Alaska fishing. Larry really went as far away from Miami as possible.  :D
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2014, 11:23:31 PM
Well, another Titans lost, but for the first time all year, they actually used players like they should. Mettenburger had the best game by a rookie QB this year I've seen. But Whisenhunt...such a stupid waste of a timeout for that challenge. Titans definetly need to draft a pass rusher. Casey is great, but...can't do it all yourself.

Still...Didn't get blown out. So yay. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 18, 2014, 10:27:50 AM
It was the Steelers. I wouldn't be all that high on that. They have been playing up and down to competition lately.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on November 18, 2014, 11:42:05 AM
This season is 18 different kinds of fucked up.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 18, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
It was the Steelers. I wouldn't be all that high on that. They have been playing up and down to competition lately.

Let me have this one thing, huh? :)


And, wow, first some 49er and now Blount from the Steelers have taken themselves out of the game. Quite the new level of selfish attitude going around.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 18, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Blount is an idiot for that. It'd be one thing if Bell was an even average RB, but Bell is the second best back in the AFC after Jamaal Charles (yeah Bell> Arian Foster), and a top 5 rb overall. Blount should shut his mouth and cash his paychecks.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 18, 2014, 02:55:13 PM
He won't be doing that anymore. Steelers cut him like the 49ers should cut their guy but won't because Hardbaugh....well both brothers, are jerks.

And honestly, the Steelers encouraged him. Him and Bell get caught smoking weed (to the point the car they were driving had a giant cloud inside) on the way to the team plane...and they don't get punished. Unless you count extra snaps in preseason.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 18, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Ben Tate got cut too, he had been underwhelming, but I didn't think it was THAT bad. I wonder if the Colts will claim Tate, and if the Pats will re-sign Blount.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 19, 2014, 07:44:04 AM
Well, anyone would be an improvement over Richards.

And I finally get to see Derrick Carr play a game this Thursday. Should be fun. I've seen most of the rookies. And I'll say this, I don't see any Blaine Gabberts who look like they'll fall into the fetal position when defenders come, so that's pretty good.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 19, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
Carr can play, but the clock is ticking. Putting QB's in shitty situations year after year in their earlier can destroy their development, unless they are REALLY special. The Raiders are shit everywhere on that offense. Line, skill players, everything. Not to mention the stupid signings on defense of over the hill players like Justin Tuck and Lamaar Woodley. Yikes. Khalil Mack is the real deal, though.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 19, 2014, 01:14:42 PM
And they need to get rid of McFadden. I mean...every time I watch a replay about him, 2 out 3 it's him fumbling the ball away. And he's always injured. And before the Raiders hope to get better, the front offices and higher ups have to improve and I don't think that will happen soon.

And I'm hoping he doesn't turn out like his brother because David could have been good but the Texans ruined him.
 
And the same with Bortles. Granted, I don't see what everyone else did in the "top QB" but the Jags as an organization stink.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 19, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
The Jags are headed up. They have a shit ton of young wideouts, enough where at least SOME of them must take the next step. Hurns, Shorts, Robinson, Lee, even Justin Blackmon is out there. Denard Robinson looks like the real deal. They are just young all the way around on that offense and need to improve the O-Line. Defense can rush the passer, but that is it. The Jags need work, but they are in FAR better shape than the Raiders are. The Jags are YOUNG. The Raiders just suck.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 19, 2014, 04:07:45 PM
Eh, I don't think you can depend on Blackman given his history.

And yeah, I'll give them credit, they finally realized the big slow white guy wasn't the answer at RB. Robinson...well, yeah, he's pretty good. And I've had to see more Jags games then anyone has to and only Hurns really stands out at WR to me. Hell, If they were smart, they'd move him ahead of at least Lee.

And The Jags have been young for awhile. And I honestly don't know about the coach. They should have beaten the Titans but they didn't manage their downs or time anywhere close to properly.

And I'm just not sold on Bortles. I mean, yeah, better than Gabbert and Henne...big whoop. Flippin' Clipboard Jesus can hold that claim to. In three games I saw more progress from Mettenburger than Bortles at this point.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 20, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
And they need to get rid of McFadden. I mean...every time I watch a replay about him, 2 out 3 it's him fumbling the ball away. And he's always injured. And before the Raiders hope to get better, the front offices and higher ups have to improve and I don't think that will happen soon.

Latavius Murray is getting the first team RB reps this week, so it looks like they're doing exactly that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 20, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Huh. Well, that'll be fun to watch.

...

It's the Raiders. Find fun where you can.

And Blount is back with the Pats. Two year contract.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 20, 2014, 04:31:50 PM
Glad we got Blount back. With him in the fold we have the making for a power run attack for the playoffs with those two, and our fullback James Develin. Finally have the kind of defense where we can play a ball control type game. Gronk just needs to stay healthy all the way through the rest of this season, and our D needs to stay healthy and we have a very real chance of going all the way this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 20, 2014, 08:50:38 PM
If only the Giants could make it to the playoffs and save us from the Pats!! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 21, 2014, 01:03:58 AM
Well, Murray was doing excellent until he got concussed. Carr looked pretty good. I think some of those passes could have been better, but still very good. The Raiders won and they played hard. And it also helped that the Chiefs forgot that they had other players save for Jamaal Charles.

Yeah, he's great...but not when everyone on the Raiders defense knows where the ball is going! That was just horrible game planning period. And Mack looked really good.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 21, 2014, 11:12:20 AM
If only the Giants could make it to the playoffs and save us from the Pats!! :)

Lmao. Haters gone hate. We have a healthy Gronk in that Pats/Giants SB rematch a few years back, we win that game. Fucking Bernard Pollard.

Well, Murray was doing excellent until he got concussed. Carr looked pretty good. I think some of those passes could have been better, but still very good. The Raiders won and they played hard. And it also helped that the Chiefs forgot that they had other players save for Jamaal Charles.

Yeah, he's great...but not when everyone on the Raiders defense knows where the ball is going! That was just horrible game planning period. And Mack looked really good.
Mack is the real fucking deal. Once his brain catches up with his body, he'll be a one man wrecking crew. Just needs some more coaching. He'll be on par with Von Miller, Aldon Smith, and Justin Houston when it comes to rush linebackers. Guy jumps off the screen. Fast and explosive as hell.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 22, 2014, 11:09:45 AM
Oh, yeah. Mack is loaded with talent, but he needs better coaching. If he was on a team like the Jets...YIKES!

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 23, 2014, 11:57:44 AM
Well, Murray was doing excellent until he got concussed. Carr looked pretty good. I think some of those passes could have been better, but still very good. The Raiders won and they played hard. And it also helped that the Chiefs forgot that they had other players save for Jamaal Charles.

I actually started Latavius, and he banged out north of 25 points in 4 carries.  I debated for a minute just how much to salivate over this new acquisition before I sent off the most pie in the sky trade for Le'veon Bell, and then bafflingly, the Bell owner accepted. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 23, 2014, 01:57:19 PM
Great trade for you.

Yay! Mett Touchdown!!

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 23, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
LOOOOL
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 23, 2014, 04:30:23 PM
What? That trade or me being happy that Mettenburger scored a touchdown? He's the best player on my team, dammit. Well, him or Walker.
ONLY THOSE TWO THOUGH  >:(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 23, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
Odell Beckham is a goddamned animal.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 23, 2014, 10:31:21 PM
Yeah, he caught that with three fingers while interfered! I swear, WRs for the Giants make incredible catches for Eli.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 24, 2014, 01:31:58 AM
Lions got assraped again this week.  But losing to the two best teams in the league isn't that big of a deal, especially when you're the Lions.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 24, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
I wouldn't be worried about Detroit at all except that Stafford seems to be throwing like he's blind in one eye.  Yeah, I get that he's under pressure, but he's been in the league too long now to not have learned how to stay cool. That said, the remainder of the season looks like a cakewalk for Detroit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 24, 2014, 11:23:06 AM
Yeah, I mean, he goes from looking really good to looking like a rookie struggling with mechanics. It's weird.

Wow. Redskins coming down hard on Griffin. Taking away his privileges and what not. And I won't blame him totally for that loss. Hard to win when your rookie LT is pretty much a detour sign at best. :)

Boirtles....the Jaguars should have not plaid him this year. Or at least do what the Titans did (Forced) to do with Mett and have him watch for a half. Because I'm worried if he can bounce back.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 24, 2014, 11:43:49 AM
Odell Beckham is a goddamned animal.

This rookie wide receiver group may be the best first year group of all time, although the rules on defensive play help for sure, but WOW. Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, John Brown are all playing good football. Time will tell how their careers will work out, but as far as making a splash right out of the gate, I can't think of a better rookie class.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 24, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Between Beckham and Mike Evans, I can't imagine how difficult a decision it's going to be for whoever it is picking the "Rookie of the Year" award.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on November 24, 2014, 02:16:46 PM
Odell Beckham is a goddamned animal.

This rookie wide receiver group may be the best first year group of all time, although the rules on defensive play help for sure, but WOW. Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, John Brown are all playing good football. Time will tell how their careers will work out, but as far as making a splash right out of the gate, I can't think of a better rookie class.

Cooks has all the potential in the world, and really should be the rookie of the year. Problem is the Saints. They keep going to Colston, who looks like his career is over, and Kenny Stills. Cooks is a big time threat, and I wasn't sold on him when we drafted him. Outside of a healthy Jimmy, he's the most dangerous weapon the Saints have since we got rid of Sproles. (One of the biggest dumbass moves we've made in a while.)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 25, 2014, 08:30:36 AM
Y'know, bad as the Titans are, at least I know, no matter what the Jaguars and Jets will always be worse.

Poor CJ2MPH. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 25, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Between Beckham and Mike Evans, I can't imagine how difficult a decision it's going to be for whoever it is picking the "Rookie of the Year" award.

Right now, it's Evans. His yardage totals and td's have exploded over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 25, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
Yeah, I'd go Evans.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on November 25, 2014, 11:06:39 PM
It's hard to distinguish actual performance from the NFL's bias for passing. I mean mediocre WR blow up now because of the rules.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 26, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
It's hard to distinguish actual performance from the NFL's bias for passing. I mean mediocre WR blow up now because of the rules.

I hope that isn't in reference to the OBJ catch, because no matter what the rules are, that guy made the most legitimate fucking catch I've seen this year.   That he was fouled like crazy and *still* made the catch just says that the fancy rules didn't even come into play. 

If anything though, your point remains -- the fact that he caught that despite the foul means that rules could probably start shifting towards helping the defenses and you'd still have players make plays.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on November 26, 2014, 09:58:47 AM
There's nothing to say about that catch. It was the greatest catch I've ever seen. Great players make plays regardless of the rules.

But yeah, my point is that good receivers could get open and make plays back when DB's could mug you. Now, guys that are marginal WR's can break 1000 yards. For instance, I don't rate Pierre Garcon, Brian Hartline, Harry Douglas, Kendall Wright, Julian Edelman, or Michael Floyd as anything more than pretty good WR's and yet they all broke 1000 yards last year. Last year there were like 25 WR's that broke 1000 yards. Back in the 80's and early 90's it was 10-15. So in today's game, fairly marginal receivers are putting up stats that would have made them hall of famers 25 years ago.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
The emphasis on the rule's have made a huge impact on the slot receiver position, they are seeing a lot more free releases as a result, where they used to get obliterated. Best slot man ever in my opinion is still Troy Brown of the Patriots, he was Welker before Welker. And he did it before the rules got changed to make it easier.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 26, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Agreed with both of you on all counts. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 26, 2014, 05:23:54 PM
RGIII got benched.

....

Yeah, that's about it. But honestly he came back way too soon last year and too soon this year in a losing season with an offensive line that is pretty banged up. I mean, yeah, he's stunk, but it's not all on him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 26, 2014, 05:57:17 PM
Actually, it is mostly on him. Been too busy being a prima donna and pitchman and not spent enough time learning his craft. From what people are saying, he doesn't even have the BASICS down at all. Footwork, reads, nothing. And he did it to himself. One of his BEST chances to succeed in the League was with Shanahan, but he blew that up because he didn't get along with him. At least Shanahan simplified the game for him with zone-read concepts and the pistol. Gruden plain doesn't give a fuck and is (was) trying to fit RG3 into a system that doesn't suit his strengths. Putting a zone read QB into a west coast system based on making quick reads and accurate throws in the short and intermediate parts of the field? I knew that wouldn't work from the start, he's too raw, and would need to carry a clipboard for at least a YEAR to be able to run Gruden's offense. RG3 needs to go. Unfortunately, the one guy who could absolutely save RG3's career is Chip Kelly, but the Skins will never trade him there. So he is probably fucked. Maybe St Louis, where he will be just as bad. Bruce Arians could save his career too, but I tihnk he likes the Palmer/Stanton tandem he has now, and wants to develop Logan Thomas.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 26, 2014, 07:00:28 PM
I mean, Washington has all the pieces to be at LEAST average offensively. Plenty of pass catchers to go around, good rb, decent O line. Griffin is just bad.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 26, 2014, 09:17:43 PM
He also hasn't been healthy.

The second season he did not play in any preseason games. That was a stupid mistake by Shanahan. He wasn't caught up with the speed.

This season, the offensive scheme is much different and it doesn't mesh. And, again, I think Griffin came back early and that offensive line is battered. And a rookie a LT. Yikes. Plus the coach obviously never liked him.

I think he needs to work on his attitude. I mean, you're the QB, you're the leader. And he needs to avoid the big hits. Dear lord, take the man to a baseball field and teach him to slide. I like him, but his frame is not built to take those big hits. And I think a big problem is Daniel Snyder. I mean, he got a lot of privileges just give to him so yeah, I can see how got his ego.

I think he deserves another chance somewhere else because I think the bridges are burnt. But not Tennessee. Mettenburger is looking really good and is the best rookie QB...like I said! :)

Well, by default because he was second, but Manziel hasn't played so...first! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 26, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Mettenberger's mechanics are... simplistic. 

He's getting good results, and he's doing so by being the opposite of RGIII.  Stays clean in his pocket, never tries to tuck the ball and run to avoid trouble, and above all, he keeps his eyes down field.  I hope to see him evolve from the statue that he currently is, but so far, he's getting better results than Griffin's gunshy paranoia, and that really does support Supe's statements that RGIII's fundamentals are off. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 26, 2014, 09:36:51 PM
Mettenberger's mechanics are... simplistic. 

He's getting good results, and he's doing so by being the opposite of RGIII.  Stays clean in his pocket, never tries to tuck the ball and run to avoid trouble, and above all, he keeps his eyes down field.  I hope to see him evolve from the statue that he currently is, but so far, he's getting better results than Griffin's gunshy paranoia, and that really does support Supe's statements that RGIII's fundamentals are off.

He shifts in the pockets. And I got to be honest...I'm glad he doesn't run. I mean, I spent three seasons where I had to worry if Locker was going to injure himself after every run and hit. It's like watching the scariest movie ever over and over...and then you finally get to watch a Disney movie. :)
And I've been impressed. He's thrown for some big yards and made some great plays that I wasn't expecting considering his ACL from late last year.


And like I said, I don't think he should have come back so soon from his dislocated ankle. And his rookie season was something where I'd give him one more chance on another team. Just one more. But he needs to be coached to protect himself. Especially that. I like his arm, I like when he can run when healthy, but he cannot take big hits!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on November 28, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
Brace yourselves, NFL. The Seahawks are coming.

Even if we don't end up catching Arizona, if we make the playoffs after what HAS to be the most nightmarish schedule in NFL history, that in itself is an accomplishment. We've either played, or have yet to play, Green Bay (8-3), Denver (8-3), San Diego (7-4), Dallas (8-4), Kansas City (7-4), Arizona twice (9-2), San Francisco twice (7-5), and Philadelphia (9-3).
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on November 28, 2014, 02:49:16 PM
Brace yourselves, NFL. The Seahawks are coming.

Even if we don't end up catching Arizona, if we make the playoffs after what HAS to be the most nightmarish schedule in NFL history, that in itself is an accomplishment. We've either played, or have yet to play, Green Bay (8-3), Denver (8-3), San Diego (7-4), Dallas (8-4), Kansas City (7-4), Arizona twice (9-2), San Francisco twice (7-5), and Philadelphia (9-3).

Yeah, I'm not too sure about making the play-offs. Dallas and Detroit should have a pretty easy three wins in their last four games, and they're Seattle's likely competition for the wild card. Seattle will have to fight pretty hard for two wins out of their last four. I love the Seahawks and I consider the last couple years a sort of redemption for the Rick Mirer/Jeff Kemp/Dan Maguire/Stan Gelbaugh era, but I'm trying to remain rational about their chances this year. Then again, AZ could fall apart. That wouldn't upset me at all.

Really, as long as Seattle sweeps SF this year, I'll consider this season a success. Fuck the 9ers. And the Rams. Screw you both.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 28, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Brace yourselves, NFL. The Seahawks are coming.

Even if we don't end up catching Arizona, if we make the playoffs after what HAS to be the most nightmarish schedule in NFL history, that in itself is an accomplishment. We've either played, or have yet to play, Green Bay (8-3), Denver (8-3), San Diego (7-4), Dallas (8-4), Kansas City (7-4), Arizona twice (9-2), San Francisco twice (7-5), and Philadelphia (9-3).

The Seahawks are hot...but who have they played as of late? The Niners offense is a shadow of what it once was, and the Cardinals are an overachieving squad that lost their starting QB, I'm not that impressed. I don't think as they have been playing right now that they could beat Green Bay.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on November 28, 2014, 11:16:57 PM
I mean, Washington has all the pieces to be at LEAST average offensively. Plenty of pass catchers to go around, good rb, decent O line. Griffin is just bad.

Their O-line is not decent at all, I would argue they are actually a pretty bad unit. They rank in the lower third of the league in sacks allowed and their yards per rush is down over half a yard from last year (and Alfred Morris is still a good back). A few guys have already lost their jobs and it seems to be a complete shuffle.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on November 29, 2014, 12:21:53 AM
I don't think they are a bad unit. RG3 takes a lot of sacks because of poor fundamentals. And Alfred Morris was always going to be less effective without that zone-read, pistol system forcing the run pursuit to hesitate because Griffin might keep the ball.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: issue9mm on November 29, 2014, 10:23:54 AM
They're not great, but they're definitely good enough to give RGIII a 3-step drop every time, and usually a 5.  If RGIII were making his reads on time, it'd pull pressure off the line, mitigate the blitz, and give him more time to make slower developing plays. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
Great. Mettenburger is out because of Watt hitting him super late (no flag of course) And Locker throws a pick on his first pass.

Super. Knowing my luck, Mett will be out for the rest of the season and we draft the lame duck at QB.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2014, 06:37:06 PM
Looks like a shoulder sprain and looks like Mett will try and play.

But--The Titans are garbage. They are bad. I mean, I have never seen such a stupid team. You have McCluster, who you could split out--but you don't. Sankey can catch passes, but you won't do that. Casey is a beast (Romo said he was the best defense player he's went against so far) but you put in him in a three-four instead of a four three where you could have him attack better. YOU KEEP PUTTING IN LEON WASHINGTON!!!

We have a running back we like, that several teams tried to pick up off the practice squad, we moved him up on the roster to stop that--AND YOU DON'T USE HIM, BUT YOU USE FATBOY GREENE!!!

I normally let a new head coach have one year...but Wisenhunt is making me rethink that more and more! But I definitely want the GM fired. He is horrible. His drafts have sucked, his free agent pick ups have been jokes. He is horrible. He should be shot out of a cannon and into rock mass of some sort.

Six touchdowns to Fritzpatrick.  :'(

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 08, 2014, 08:01:49 AM
So, supe, when the Titans--flipping idiots--traded Ayers...they would happen to have put in some performance provisions that could result in a higher draft pick...?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 08, 2014, 09:16:49 AM
ROFL. The Titans are a hot mess. Both sides of the ball are just fucked. If Mariota or Winston are not available, they should take Amari Cooper in my opinion.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 08, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
Anybody else think the Titans will end the Jags' chances at breaking the record for most consecutive weeks as the betting underdog?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 08, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
Probably.

I mean, it's just horrible. Wisenhunt pretty much sent out Mettenburger to die yesterday. The o-line is ravaged. LT, RT, and C were out, the top two WRs were out and the Mett hurt his throwing arm last game because of it. So would you put in a TE or WR to help block. Nope. That would be intelligent. So Mett gets hurt. And it wasn't Jake Locker barely touched stuff. He was taking Simms level hits.

I honestly believe in Mettenburger. I mean, he plays for any other team that had picked a rookie QB he would make waves. I mean, look at his stats. And that's with this garbage of a team. The guy has good accuracy and a great deep ball. He reads his progressions extremely well for a rookie. Most of his sacks come from him having two seconds before he's hit.

I think he can be the Titans franchise QB. But him getting hurt will probably affect that idiot front office.

The GM needs to go. He has failed at every level a GM could possible fail at. Hell, me might have dug new low depths. He doesn't have the scouts at college games, his FA have sucked, and Ayers was obviously our best LB...so we don't play him and trade him for a sixth round pick!?! Hell, we cut Philips and gets to be a Colt?! Look at how much we spent on the O-line and how much garbage they are!

Wisenhunt. Dear lord is his game managing horrible. I mean, I have a "Give the new guy a year", but screw that. Especially when you actually need to coach first. He doesn't use the players the way they should. Sure Munchack sucked, but at least he grasped "Well, you're good at this, so do that" Wisenhunt will not adjust. PERIOD. He doesn't manage time outs or challenges or...anything!
He abandons the run at the drop of a hat. I mean, in the Ravens game we were actually running over them the first quarter--and he stops doing it! Hell, in the first QB Sankey had us to the one yard line, he puts in Shonn Greene...who fumbles the damn ball.

And what the hell is Green doing on our team? And why is Leon Washington on half the offensive plays? And why is Antonio Smith, a rookie who looked darn good in preseason, not given a chance, after we moved him to the 52 roster after several teams wanted him. I mean, can he be worse than Greene or Washington?

And seriously, what kind of coaching is he and Horton doing? Instead of having a system you're making players fit, why not take what you have and use a system that would work with what you've got?

Honestly, if the Titans have the first pick and Wisenhunt is still the coach, If I were Mariota and Winston...screw that if I'm still college eligible.

Griffin sucks, Wimbley sucks, Levitre sucks, The Blind Side--screw that movie!!

Well, here are some good things.

Mettenbuger: He looked like the best rookie QB to me before his injury. Him on a half descent team and he might have a chance at rookie of the year

Williamson. Rookie LB drafted in the later rounds. He's very good and has to relay the information on the field for the defense. Yes, our rookie 5th round LB is in charge of our defense.

Lewan is a great LT.

Delanie Walker is our best reciever and I wish he was on a better team so people could see how good he is.

So that's four players. And one of them will probably lose his spot so...

Is it wrong that I want this team to go to LA. That way I can pick a new team. Does that make me a bad person? :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 11, 2014, 06:07:55 PM
In important news

Payton cracked down on the Saints. Releasing a few and benching several.

Cam Newton has, from last I read, two broken bones in his back. Derek Anderson will start

oh and JOHNNY MANZIEL IS GOING TO START! Game over man! Game over!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 12, 2014, 12:14:01 AM
Meh. None of that means much to me at all. Although, according to His and Hers on ESPN, Newton doesn't take painkillers or shots. So when you consider all the injuries he has played through and all the punishment he has taken this season? Cam Newton just gained a fuck ton of respect from me.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 13, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
Huh. Apparently the Cardinals winning was...an upset?

WTF

The Rams kicked the snot out of The Raiders and The Redskins. Wow. Both teams have been horrible for years, one is starting a rookie QB and the other team--they just don't care. I mean, the entire offensive line didn't move! I've never seen that before.

Oh, and kudos to the owning of Fisher by the Cardinals coach. It always annoys me how Marvin Lewis takes so much flack while a guy like Jeff Fisher can continue to be mediocre at best and not catch grief for it.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on December 15, 2014, 04:57:52 AM
I think the Titans are the worst team in football. It's close, but I think they got it.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 15, 2014, 08:58:46 AM
Now. Yeah. Before all the injuries, Tampa Bay. But to be fair the Titans should have won yesterday. I'm still trying to figure out the flag on Woodyard.

(Woodyard looks at Decker)

(Decker pushes Woodyard)

(Ref watching entire thing...throws flag on Woodyard)

WTF? How the hell does that work?

Johnny Football's getting it a little rough from the media, isn't he? I mean, he's a rookie making his start late in the  year, with playoff hopes still their, against one of the better teams in the NFL. That's kind of a lot to ask. Especially when the Bengals manhandled both sides of the ball and the WRs didn't come back to help or catch the ball for the QB. Don't get me wrong. He made mistakes, lots of them. Rookie mistakes. Because he's still a rookie.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 17, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
Lol the Bears are benching Cutler and starting Jimmy Clausen. Wow. Emery, Trestman, and Cutler are gone after this season, methinks. Cutler is a serious coach killer. Jeez.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 17, 2014, 11:02:58 PM
Well actually,  I don't know about Cutler being gone. His contract is ridiculous. 15 million guaranteed next year. He'll be extremely hard to move. Although I could see Tennessee making a play for him, because they're dumb and won too much to be in the running for Winston or Mariota.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 18, 2014, 12:11:44 AM
1. We're second pick!

2. To heck with either of those two. Keep Mettenburger. Seriously, am I the only one who--well, yeah. I would be. But he played really good. I want the best defensive player or Cooper.

...But I could see that idiot GM doing it. He's dumb enough.

Sigh, please retire Peyton and buy the Titans. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 24, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
Some thoughts.

1)Too bad the old board died, that way I could have quoted PTF and I's discussions about how I thought Teddy Bridgewater would be better than any QB in this draft, including Manziel. And what do you know? Who leads all rookie in passing yards per game, completion percentage, and passer rating but one Teddy Bridgewater? I TOLD you those pre-draft workouts didn't mean shit. Put him on the field and the kid is the real deal.

2) I'm thoroughly enjoying how Peyton Manning has been exposed ever since the Patriots pushed his shit in. EVERYONE is having their secondary play the short routes aggressively and bringing pressure up the A gap against him now. I enjoy watching him fail, fuck this guy.

3) Rob Gronkowski has 55 TD's in 65 career starts. He's the one of the top 2-3 red zone players OF ALL TIME. And a top 3 receiver in the NFL (sure other people have more yards, but even as a decoy who demands special coverage, he's effective as hell). Shit's crazy. Completely changes how defenses play the Patriots offense, and makes them lethal in the red zone. Cover him one on one in the red zone and he might as well be wide open. Dedicate two or three guys to him in the Red Zone, and you create one on one matchups for the rest of the receiving corps with Brady being one of the best all-time (and the best in the League currently) when it comes to the short passing game. Lethal.  It was to the point where I watched us play the Jets, and he split out one-on-one against the db wide left in the red zone 3 yards out, and I literally screamed at the tv "WTF are you doing leaving him one-on-one?!" Ball snapped, Brady throws high where only Gronk could get it, with the db all over him anyway. Pass is caught, touchdown. Gronk won't win MVP, but IMO he deserves consideration over Brady. Pat's offense is pedestrian and severely limited without him. Without Gronk to tilt the field with coverages dedicated to stopping him, Brady had to play in an area the size of a phone booth with defenders all over, and it showed.

4)Right now, it looks like Pats-Seahawks SB to me, advantage Seahawks. Pats are built to stop the pass, not an overwhelming rushing attack like the Seahawks have with Lynch and Wilson. I'm hoping Green Bay can take them down, but it's highly unlikely given that they'd probably be going to Seattle. I do think Gronk can be effective against Seattle, because although Kam Chancellor ATE Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, and Julius Thomas last year? They are all finesse, receiving tight ends who are not all that physical. A lot of athleticism (read:speed), technique, and body placement comes into play with them. Contact and playing physical doesn't bother Gronk one bit. In a matchup between Chancellor and Gronk, Gronk would win. But I don't think it would be enough. But we'll see.

5)Rodgers is MVP, followed by Demarco Murray. I wish Watt could be MVP, and he is without question the best individual player in the NFL regardless of position, but he is not the most VALUABLE player because he is the best, unfortunately. QB's have far too much of an influence on the game. Just the way it is.

6)Jeremy Hill the RB for the Bengals? Love him. Great blend of power/speed, and he runs hard and with passion. Willed the Bengals O into being effective in Primetime. Nice one-two punch with him and Giovani Bernard.

7)No Josh Gordon magic this year, I guess.

8-Tennessee should take Jameis Winston, and pay 100 security people to follow him around, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. The kid is just MONEY. More of a sure thing on the field than Mariota. But Mariota has eye popping athleticism, higher upside, and is pretty much a choir boy, so they'll take him. Jameis is graduate level when it comes to playing in pro-style offenses, going through progressions, identifying the blitz, taking what the D gives him, throwing guys open with early anticipation and accuracy....Mariota has an associates. Great arm, accurate thrower with good ball placement though. But so is RG3. But Mariota is bigger so he is less of an injury risk, and he is VERY VERY humble and coachable. Coaches will love this kid. Winston though...MONEY. Need a go ahead TD or FG to tie with 2 minutes left? He'll get it done. Can't coach that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 25, 2014, 01:17:23 AM
Bridgewater did good. I gave him credit for what he did, but he was also on a team with stability. That's what hurt Mettenburger and Carr. Well, that an idiot coaches and horrible defenses. Here's how I rank them.

1. Bridgewater. Yeah, I don't think he's as skilled, but his team has gotten some wins.
2. Carr.
3. Mett. I like what I say, he moved in the pocket, did progressions, big arm, and more accurate than what I expect from a rookie...but no wins. Not his fault because Wisenhunt is a moron and that defense is garbage. Wiz is so bad, I'm honestly thinking my "give the coach the first year" is a bad rule. Especially when you do EVERYTHING WRONG
4. Bortles. I don't get it. He's tall. Good for him. That's about it.
5. Manziel: Started way too late and looked like garbage I believe you start the rookie from the start or mid season. Not with three games left! And yeah, he looked horrible...but so has everyone from the Browns.


2. Yeah. All the teams are doing it and "the old arm ain't what it used to be!" The Bengals were driving him nuts Monday. Seeing that rookie CB pick six him was great.

4. Weird. I go Pats. I think the Seahawks get way too many penalties. You do that against The Pats, you're screwed. I honestly think if the Cardinals had a decent QB, they might have pulled out a win. I like the offense, Brady is my pick for MVP, and Gronk.

5. I've got Brady. Just because of he plays great more consistently away from home while Aaron struggles.

6. Agreed, but he needs to do something about the fumbles.

7. Had to throw it in with a 1988 VW. :)

8. I don't like either one. I think Mettenburger can be a starting QB in the NFL. I really liked what I saw. Plus...I don't like either Mariota or Jameius. And I would rather focus on the defense. Jurrell Casey is a beast...but he needs help! I'd rather get the best defensive player and maybe in a later round pick up Petty at QB. I just consider the defense a bigger need because the Titans clearly do not have the players for the 3-4 and they need help at CB and safety because Griffin--I'm just so sick of him at this point!

And I look at it like this. The Bucs will get the first pic. They'll probably go Mariota. And that would leave Winston. And the Titans already had to put up with VY and his antics. I don't know if they'd chance it. I say roll the dice on Mettenburger, pick up the best defensive player. The Titans D-line is the best thing they have going so you might as well help that out.

But I'll watch the playoffs. And I'll be fair. If I see something, I could change my mind.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 25, 2014, 02:32:19 AM
Winston is nothing like VY on the field whatsoever, not even off it either. I highly doubt Winston genuinely gives a shit what anyone thinks or will be suicidal anytime soon. Coaches will only not want him because off off the field issues, not on the field issues. On the field? He is probably the best pocket passer to come out since Luck. He is actually further along than Luck was in NFL IQ when he came out of Stanford. And Winston has IT where Luck didn't. Luck lost some big games. Winston shows up HUGE in big games and wins despite his team's deficiencies. Winston just isn't as good as an athlete as Luck. About 10 lb's lighter, and while he can move a bit, isn't the mobile QB Luck is by any stretch. But I don't think he'll turn over the ball as much as Luck does either. Winston sounds like a moron because of that Alabama twang, but he'll give NFL coaches the biggest hard-ons when they put him in front of the chalk board and have him draw shit up. He'll be lights out and they will know it's not combine prep bullshit, because you can clearly see it on film with Winston.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 25, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
I just don't see it. And yeah, the Seminoles team has failed him, but in the later season, he's been the one putting them in a hole. He's gotten them out--but not against teams I consider...great or maybe good.

I'll watch him and Oregon, like I said. I'll see how he does.

And Luck is overrated and benefits from playing in a weak division. And I'm going by what everyone says. Seriously, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame already? The way everyone praises him. Sheesh. But to be fair to him..Colts WRs..catch...actually no. Keep dropping the ball.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 25, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
I just don't see it. And yeah, the Seminoles team has failed him, but in the later season, he's been the one putting them in a hole. He's gotten them out--but not against teams I consider...great or maybe good.

I'll watch him and Oregon, like I said. I'll see how he does.

And Luck is overrated and benefits from playing in a weak division. And I'm going by what everyone says. Seriously, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame already? The way everyone praises him. Sheesh. But to be fair to him..Colts WRs..catch...actually no. Keep dropping the ball.

Not really. Winston has covered for a lot of that teams deficiencies. They are just not all that talented on offense anymore outside of Winston after getting gutted by the NFL draft. He carries the shit out of that team.

Luck isn't overrated, per se. He does make some bonehead throws and turnsover the ball a bit too much, but he also doesn't have much of a running game to shorten the chains, either.

My offseason move of 2015? I think Adrian Peterson is going to get cut by the Vikes. As much as he has been a franchise player for the Vikes and he is probably a Hall of Famer when he hangs them up? His cap number as an RB is massive. I think the Vikes cut him, and he signs with the Colts where he will be a perfect fit and won't see any eight man fronts with TY Hilton being a top 3 deep threat in football right now. Either that or the Colts will take Melvin Gordon, and platoon him with Ahmad Bradshaw, and maybe Stevan Ridley from the Pats on a one year prove it deal, coming off his acl tear. Colts should get an RB in free agency, take the best defender (they really need to upgrade at safety) available with their first pick, and grab a big body possession WR with the best hands they can find.


If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, I'm PRAYING Todd Gurley drops to us at the end of the first round, and Belichick takes him and just lets him rehab. It's be a fucking steal.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on December 25, 2014, 12:16:32 PM
If Carson Palmer stays healthy, The Cardinals very possibly secure the #1 slot even if they lose twice to Seattle. Which they may not have done. Just look at their point totals. Almost every game beforehand had them scoring 20+. IIRC I don't think they have managed that even once in a game that someone else has started since. His injury cost them any shot at being a one year winner ala New Orleans from a few years back.

Anyway looks like Seattle over New England to me too. Which was my preseason pick. (Didn't trust Denver.)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 25, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
I didn't think the Cards were beating the Seahawks even with Palmer and Ellington. It was just a matter of time before Bobby Wagner got back and the Seahawks D got healthy. Just too talented as a team to not get it together when everyone got healthy again.

What a disappointment Ellington was this year. Looks like he and Giovanni Bernard are only 3rd down, change of pace type guys. Just can't carry the load for high volume. Cards need a big back who can handle 200-300 between the tackles carries in lieu of Ellington. Ellington is made to play in space.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 25, 2014, 05:25:16 PM
I just don't see it. And yeah, the Seminoles team has failed him, but in the later season, he's been the one putting them in a hole. He's gotten them out--but not against teams I consider...great or maybe good.

I'll watch him and Oregon, like I said. I'll see how he does.

And Luck is overrated and benefits from playing in a weak division. And I'm going by what everyone says. Seriously, why isn't he in the Hall of Fame already? The way everyone praises him. Sheesh. But to be fair to him..Colts WRs..catch...actually no. Keep dropping the ball.

Not really. Winston has covered for a lot of that teams deficiencies. They are just not all that talented on offense anymore outside of Winston after getting gutted by the NFL draft. He carries the shit out of that team.

Luck isn't overrated, per se. He does make some bonehead throws and turnsover the ball a bit too much, but he also doesn't have much of a running game to shorten the chains, either.

My offseason move of 2015? I think Adrian Peterson is going to get cut by the Vikes. As much as he has been a franchise player for the Vikes and he is probably a Hall of Famer when he hangs them up? His cap number as an RB is massive. I think the Vikes cut him, and he signs with the Colts where he will be a perfect fit and won't see any eight man fronts with TY Hilton being a top 3 deep threat in football right now. Either that or the Colts will take Melvin Gordon, and platoon him with Ahmad Bradshaw, and maybe Stevan Ridley from the Pats on a one year prove it deal, coming off his acl tear. Colts should get an RB in free agency, take the best defender (they really need to upgrade at safety) available with their first pick, and grab a big body possession WR with the best hands they can find.


If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, I'm PRAYING Todd Gurley drops to us at the end of the first round, and Belichick takes him and just lets him rehab. It's be a fucking steal.

And if he gutted them past teams I thought were good or great, I'd be impressed. Wow, you threw inteceptions, put your team in a hole...and beat Florida. Wow. Heck, even you agreed with me that other team defense...got really dumb during second halves.

I think Marshawn "Thanks" Lynch is a free agent right? That's an option.

And I think the Cardinals do win that game if Palmer's in. I mean, that last QB...his best pass was pass interference. The Cardinals defense was doing great, but they got tired and the field advantage was all hawks. They finally broke near the end. And don't forget all the other players who have been hurt on the defense. It's amazing what the Cardinals coach has done. Plus, I enjoy him rubbing his win in Fisher's face. Dear lord what an a-hole he is and turning the Rams into.

There should have been some fines on the Rams for those hits on Odell. Especially when you have a DC who you know puts bounties out.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 27, 2014, 08:07:12 PM
Looks like Rex Ryan will be fired Monday. And to all the NFL teams...PICK HIM UP!! I don't care who you're DC is! He's the best! He can takes guys off the street, put them on the field, and give Tom Brady fits!

It doesn't matter who you have, Rex is the best. If you are a GM and not interested--you are a ****ing idiot!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on December 27, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
I don't think Rex will be unemployed long.  And your right all the AFC teams should be in a biding war for his services.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 28, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
AFC seeding is not settled quite yet, so here are my predictions for the NFC playoffs:

4) Carolina beats 5) Arizona
3) Dallas beats 6) Detroit

1) Seattle beats 4) Carolina
3) Dallas beats 2) Green Bay

1) Seattle beats 3) Dallas
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on December 28, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Only difference I see is Arizona beats the Panthers but everything else plays out the same.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 08:29:36 AM
Now that the AFC is settled...

3) Pittsburgh over 6) Baltimore
4) Indy over 5) Cincy

4) Indy over 1) New England
2) Denver over 3) Pittsburgh

4) Indy over 2) Denver

SUPERBOWL
Seattle over Indianapolis


I'm going huge upset here even though in my mind, there is a HUGE gap between NE/Denver and the rest of the AFC. I don't think the other four teams could lick the Broncos or Pats boots. But... I just don't see it being Seattle/Denver again or another 1 seed vs 1 seed battle. And since I ain't picking against Seattle at home, I've got to find an AFC upset, and I think the Colts are the best team that isn't DEN/NE.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 29, 2014, 10:21:57 AM
Now that the AFC is settled...

3) Pittsburgh over 6) Baltimore
4) Indy over 5) Cincy

4) Indy over 1) New England
2) Denver over 3) Pittsburgh

4) Indy over 2) Denver

SUPERBOWL
Seattle over Indianapolis


I'm going huge upset here even though in my mind, there is a HUGE gap between NE/Denver and the rest of the AFC. I don't think the other four teams could lick the Broncos or Pats boots. But... I just don't see it being Seattle/Denver again or another 1 seed vs 1 seed battle. And since I ain't picking against Seattle at home, I've got to find an AFC upset, and I think the Colts are the best team that isn't DEN/NE.
'

Yeah...no. Even though I am a Patriots fan, you know I keep it fairly objective. The Colts are not beating the Patriots at Foxborough. No way. The Colts don't play well against the better teams, and they are completely one dimensional on offense. The Pats will take away TY Hilton again, Reggie Wayne has his arm injury...it's not happening. The teams I can see taking out the Pats are the Broncos and the Steelers. The Steelers (if Bell comes back healthy at RB) have the kind of WR depth and RB play to make things tough for the Pats. If there is one WR who can possibly shit on Revis...it's Antonio Brown. So we will see.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 29, 2014, 10:26:51 AM
3) Pittsburgh over 6) Baltimore
4) Indy over 5) Cincy

1) New England over 4) Indy
3) Pittsburgh over 2) Denver

1) New England over 3) Pittsburgh

***********************************

4) Carolina beats 5) Arizona
3) Dallas beats 6) Detroit

1) Seattle beats 4) Carolina
3) Dallas beats 2) Green Bay

3) Dallas beats 1) Seattle

SUPERBOWL
New England over Dallas
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 29, 2014, 10:39:23 AM
Couple of huge upsets, I know. I think Pittsburgh can match Denver point for point, and Manning is still Manning, and it's the playoffs. Doesn't have the insane depth in the WR/TE corps he had last year (Welker is done, and Julius Thomas has been meh due to injury) and Roethlisberger is the kind of playmaker you fear in playoffs, and he has Antonio Brown, who has the type of skill set that gives Aqib Talib fits, with his quickness and speed. If Bell is healthy, he along with Heath Miller should make things really hard on those Denver LB's who are a serious weak link against the pass (In terms of coverage). I like Pitt to upset Den.

Dallas? They play better on the road than they do at home. That's one. Aaron Rodgers has cooled, even though he has been lights out a Lambeau. But the Boys' have the offense that can control the clock and keep him off the field and from getting in rhythm. Boys can run the ball against Seattle and have the O-line that is good enough to go toe-to-toe with that Seattle front, and the one elite WR on in the NFL who will play balls to the WALL every play and fight through contact in Dez Bryant and the QB with the balls to throw it to him in Romo.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on December 29, 2014, 11:29:37 AM
Baltimore over Pittsburgh because fuck Pittsburgh
Indy over Cincy

New England over Baltimore (though Pats fans should be scared if the Ravens look decent against Pittsburgh)
Denver over Indy

NE over Denver

***********************************

Carolina over Arizona
Dallas over Detroit

Seattle over Carolina
Dallas over Green Bay

Dallas over Seattle (but honestly, no clue who wins this game)

Super Bowl:

Dallas over New England (I don't really believe this, but I can just see the Cowboys being unstoppable on offense and doing just enough on defense to get through it. They are the most complete offense in football and this is by far their best chance of ever winning big. Regression next year for them and then the window starts to close.)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on December 29, 2014, 11:32:47 AM
Although I will say that I think Pats fans don't want to see Pitt or Balt roll into Foxborough. Both those teams usually test the Pats. Plus, both have under the radar rivalries with the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 29, 2014, 11:54:54 AM
Although I will say that I think Pats fans don't want to see Pitt or Balt roll into Foxborough. Both those teams usually test the Pats. Plus, both have under the radar rivalries with the Patriots.

Actually, the Pats in the Brady era have historically OWNED the Steelers. Not sure of his exact record, but it's something like 8-1 or 9-2 or something.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on December 29, 2014, 02:45:37 PM
Yeah. Maybe it's just the Ravens then. Brady started his career 5-0 against Baltimore, but has gone 3-3 since including two delicious home playoff losses. And the Pats were lucky to win the 2011 AFC title game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 29, 2014, 04:55:59 PM
NFL wants Cowboys to win--er, I mean, Suh suspended for Lions vs Cowboys.

Honestly, I think it started as an accident, but after it happened, Suh wasn't in a hurry to get off the ankle. I think he should be fined, but not suspended.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on December 29, 2014, 06:29:26 PM
Suh is dirty. He obviously did that on purpose. Not the first time he has "accidentally" stepped on somebody's ankle and "forgotten" to get off. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on December 29, 2014, 10:32:22 PM
NFL wants Cowboys to win--er, I mean, Suh suspended for Lions vs Cowboys.

Honestly, I think it started as an accident, but after it happened, Suh wasn't in a hurry to get off the ankle. I think he should be fined, but not suspended.

No that was intentional he partially step on it then took another stop to get the whole thing.  Actually I didn't think they would suspended him with it being a playoff game next week just a really heavy fine.  But it was a QB he did it to so.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 30, 2014, 09:13:07 AM
Given his repeated history, a one-game suspension is a joke. This guy is just going to keep doing that shit until he really injures someone.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on December 30, 2014, 10:02:58 AM
Although I will say that I think Pats fans don't want to see Pitt or Balt roll into Foxborough. Both those teams usually test the Pats. Plus, both have under the radar rivalries with the Patriots.

No. Matchup doesn't scare me at all, really. Last time the Ravens came through Gronk got hurt, Brady didn't have an x receiver he trusted, Talib went down, and the Ravens had Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith going up against a weak Patriots secondary. Not the case anymore. I'm not afraid of the Ravens at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2014, 03:23:51 PM
Except Bernard Pollard. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on December 30, 2014, 05:30:04 PM
Somehow, Suh won his appeal and will play this weekend anyway. Good to know the NFLPA supports one of its members trying to injure other members.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Well, he did get by because of a technicality.

And the Bills coach has opted out of his contract. When asked why he responded, "Wouldn't you?"

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 01, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
Except Bernard Pollard. :)

He's a Titan now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 01, 2015, 08:37:48 AM
And the Titans play the Pats in 2015.

The Doombringer is coming. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 02, 2015, 05:53:14 PM
Wild Card Predictions

-Panthers over Cardinals (Hope I am wrong. Maybe Arians can pull something out of his hat cause it would be a shame to exit the playoffs so early. Granted they are not going anywhere next week regardless. Then again, neither would Carolina.)
-Cowboys over Lions (Lock pick of the week. I don't see the Lions having much of a shot.)
-Colts over Bengals (Cincy is the better all around team and a bigger threat to the top squads. But Dalton will find a way to blow it.)
-Steelers over Ravens (Though without Bell this is basically a tossup.)

+++++

Fwiw these were my preseason predictions. (Hey, this place wasn't around then.)

AFC East : Patriots
AFC North : Steelers
AFC South : Colts
AFC West : Broncos
Wild Cards : Chargers, Bengals

NFC East : Eagles
NFC North : Packers
NFC South : Saints
NFC West : Seahawks
Wild Cards : Cardinals, Redskins

Super Bowl : Seahawks over Patriots
#1 Pick      : Raiders

I was spot on with the NFC west. Even had the 'Niners missing the playoffs. Otoh I missed the mark completely in the east (wild card Redskins!) It's not here but if I had ordered them I probably would have had Dallas last too.

AFC was good. Though admittedly there wasn't a big shakeup from last year there.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 02, 2015, 07:05:45 PM
Carolina. I like the Cardinals, but...eh, too many injuries. Which is a shame because of how well coached they are.

Lions. I just believe in my heart of hearts...the Cowboys will mess up.

Bengals. I like the Bengals. I've always liked Dalton. He just takes a lot of flack...that never happens to Luck no matter what he does. And what does is turn the ball over. Plus the Colts are one dimensional.

Steelers. I'm thinking we'll be seeing Joe Flucco this game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 03, 2015, 04:38:59 PM
With injuries and reversed suspensions I'm now thinking:

**WILD CARD ROUND**

(4)Carolina beats (5)Arizona
(6)Baltimore beats (3)Pittsburgh

(4)Indianapolis beats (5)Cincinatti
(6)Detroit beats (3)Dallas

**DIVISIONAL ROUND**

(1)New England beats (6)Baltimore
(2)Denver beats (4)Indianapolis

(1)Seattle beats (6)Detroit
(2)Green Bay beats (4)Carolina

**CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND**

(1)New England beats (2)Denver
(1)Seattle beats (2)Green Bay

**SUPER BOWL**

(AFC)New England beats (NFC)Seattle


Me putting the Pats over the Seahawks is more heart than mind, yeah. Plus the healthy Gronk factor. I think he can attack the middle of the Seahawks Cover 3 better than anyone in the League.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 03, 2015, 04:54:46 PM
Detroit beats Dallas? I'm a tad surprised there. I can see Green Bay beating Dallas next week. But the Lions? I thought you were pretty high on the Cowboys?

I kind of see the two AFC games as being more questionable than the NFC ones. (One is a rivalry game and I don't really see the Colts as that great given how they play against good teams and given how weak that division is.)

I'm nonetheless hoping the Cards can win with defense, turnovers, and special teams.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2015, 08:05:09 PM
Yeah...none of that happened. Just too many injuries. Punting hurt them. I mean...33 yards? Yikes.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 03, 2015, 09:09:23 PM
Detroit beats Dallas? I'm a tad surprised there. I can see Green Bay beating Dallas next week. But the Lions? I thought you were pretty high on the Cowboys?


I think some of it just Cowboys hate. For sure on PTF part.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2015, 11:50:36 PM
Moi? That doesn't sound like me at all. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 04, 2015, 02:49:12 AM
Detroit beats Dallas? I'm a tad surprised there. I can see Green Bay beating Dallas next week. But the Lions? I thought you were pretty high on the Cowboys?

I kind of see the two AFC games as being more questionable than the NFC ones. (One is a rivalry game and I don't really see the Colts as that great given how they play against good teams and given how weak that division is.)

I'm nonetheless hoping the Cards can win with defense, turnovers, and special teams.

Dallas is playing at home, when they are better on the road. Suh got his suspension overturned and Nick Fairley is practicing. The Detroit D Line is the best in the league against the run, so they may be up to the task of handling that Dallas O-line and rushing attack. The Dallas running game gets stifled, Romo has to throw more and you know what that means.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 04, 2015, 06:55:41 PM
And the ravens come to Foxboro. Pats clearly have the edge on paper. They are way healthier as well. However, John Harbaugh is one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL and has repeatedly shown he can match Belicheck over the years. I think Pats win a close game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2015, 07:14:36 PM
I like the blatant removal of the pass interference call.  Typical bullshit.  And then a random delay of game BS.

Stack the odds against the Lions.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2015, 07:26:14 PM
So the flags we take away on Dallas, we call on the Lions instead.  How typical.

Frankly, the whole state of Texas needs to be nuked.  It does no good for anyone.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 04, 2015, 07:38:54 PM
And the ravens come to Foxboro. Pats clearly have the edge on paper. They are way healthier as well. However, John Harbaugh is one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL and has repeatedly shown he can match Belicheck over the years. I think Pats win a close game.

Top 5? Eh....I guess now that his brother is gone. I don't know if he can match Belichick per se. The Ravens have benefited from great matchups and Patriots injuries. 2012 squad beat the Patriots in the AFC with no Gronk and maybe even more importantly no Aqib Talib who went out in that game. Played Anquan Boldin really well until he went down and the Pats watched him catch two touchdowns. Pats defense is far better than they were then, and barring injuries, should play Flacco really well. Where Flacco kills you is with the deep ball, Pats biggest weakness in 2012 was defending the deep ball. It's their strength now. The Pats secondary can stop both the Smiths, is Flacco going to be able to move the chains playing conservatively with the run game and Owen Daniels? I don't think so. God willing if Gronk stays healthy, the Pats have someone who requires double coverage and can leave Edelman and Lafell in one on one matchups with those crappy corners. Dan Connelly coming back to the Oline healthy for the Pats is a factor, but he has had a month of to heal up. Pats win by 13 IMO.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but if Suh decided to destroy every single ref--I wouldn't blame him. And I mean, yeah, I know favoritism and all...but wow. I don't know why they didn't pick up the flag an announce The Cowboys get fifty points and the game is over now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 04, 2015, 09:56:26 PM
Then the ref had the audacity to call a delay of game and not let the Lion redo the punt they screwed up either.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2015, 10:06:09 PM
Typical bullshit.  Cowboys are "America's team" and they know those morons in texas would revolt and succeed from the union if their shitty team got beat by Detroit.



Detroit literally got screwed out of a victory.  They likely would have been murdered by Seattle the following week, but still.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 04, 2015, 10:21:17 PM
I feel somewhat validated in my upset pick of the Lions, as I can't account for the refs blatantly fucking the Lions over when making a pick.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2015, 11:05:58 PM
Was I the only one who noticed that there were two holds on the Cowboys last touchdown?

I mean, yeah, after the pick up flag thing, that's hard to beat, but it looked like they were side to side. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
(https://fansrule.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/dalpi-0.gif?w=616)

Gotta love Hitchens throwing his arms up with the "I DIDN'T DO NUFFINS!" attitude.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6i-ZkRIEAAn4Fd.jpg)


The worst part though was seeing that fat fuck Chris Christy in the booth.  That fuck needs to have a heart attack and die already.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2015, 11:37:58 PM
Well, it's not like he has an important job to do. :)

And here's a post that shows just about everything.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2015/1/4/7492057/lions-cowboys-refs-flag-pass-interference
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 05, 2015, 12:02:42 AM
And the ravens come to Foxboro. Pats clearly have the edge on paper. They are way healthier as well. However, John Harbaugh is one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL and has repeatedly shown he can match Belicheck over the years. I think Pats win a close game.

Top 5? Eh....I guess now that his brother is gone. I don't know if he can match Belichick per se. The Ravens have benefited from great matchups and Patriots injuries. 2012 squad beat the Patriots in the AFC with no Gronk and maybe even more importantly no Aqib Talib who went out in that game. Played Anquan Boldin really well until he went down and the Pats watched him catch two touchdowns. Pats defense is far better than they were then, and barring injuries, should play Flacco really well. Where Flacco kills you is with the deep ball, Pats biggest weakness in 2012 was defending the deep ball. It's their strength now. The Pats secondary can stop both the Smiths, is Flacco going to be able to move the chains playing conservatively with the run game and Owen Daniels? I don't think so. God willing if Gronk stays healthy, the Pats have someone who requires double coverage and can leave Edelman and Lafell in one on one matchups with those crappy corners. Dan Connelly coming back to the Oline healthy for the Pats is a factor, but he has had a month of to heal up. Pats win by 13 IMO.

I am not sure what Harbaugh has to do to break your top 5. Super Bowl, 3 AFC title game appearances, and 6 playoff births in seven years. They just beat Pitt with me and you playing corner for them with Prop and Bamf playing on the o-line.

The guy can flat out coach, especially in the playoffs. With 18 dudes on IR, ravens had no expectation to even make the playoffs, let alone win a game.

Counting playoffs, he's 82-44.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 05, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
Belichick, Payton, Jim Harbaugh, Arians, Carroll are top 5 imo, currently. Tomlin and John Harbaugh are neck and neck. Hell of a coach, but he has one of the best talent evaluators and GM's in the business constantly infusing talent to that roster in Ozzie Newsome. Depth wise Newsome is average, but in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft he is probably the best in the NFL. Almost never misses.

But yeah, Baltimore doesn't win that game if Bell plays. Complete player that would have settled the rush and been a factor in the short passing game, and DEFINITELY in blitz pickup. One of the best pass blocking RB's in the game, maybe the best.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 01:18:28 AM
I feel somewhat validated in my upset pick of the Lions,  as I can't account for the refs blatantly fucking the Liond over when making a pick.

I took the Cowboys, but that minute after flag pickup was bullshit and likely determined the winner.

I guess the lure of the first Dallas at Green Bay playoff game since the Ice Bowl was just too much for someone powerful to resist.

(https://fansrule.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/dalpi-0.gif?w=616)

Gotta love Hitchens throwing his arms up with the "I DIDN'T DO NUFFINS!" attitude.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6i-ZkRIEAAn4Fd.jpg)

The worst part though was seeing that fat fuck Chris Christy in the booth.  That fuck needs to have a heart attack and die already.

I don't get him supporting the 'Boys. Aren't the Giants supposed to be a hated rival of Dallas's?

A registered GOP friend of mine just swore off voting for him. Something about "You can see who he will be serving as President."
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 01:29:58 AM
People think it's because he can use that in his campaign later to try and get the nutjobs in Texas to vote for him in the primary.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 05, 2015, 04:26:15 AM
Not necessary really Texas lean toward the gop anyway.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 04:30:22 AM
Not necessary really Texas lean toward the gop anyway.

You don't get it.  The primary is when all people from the same party compete to see who will be the nominee for president.

Christy would have to compete with the batshit insane people like Ted Cruz, or Rick Perry.  He needs all the help he can get.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 06:46:13 AM
Yeah, Christy already betrayed the people he voted for him because of something involving how animals are put in boxes for transport and sided with Iowa's way when the Dems and Repubs of NJ actually agreed on something.

And it doesn't really matter. I mean, let's be honest, Hillary is going to win. Sigh. She's going to win. Man that's depressing. Still better than whatever evil lunatic the Republicans eventually settle with, but still--so depressing. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 05, 2015, 07:12:09 AM
Yeah, Christy already betrayed the people he voted for him because of something involving how animals are put in boxes for transport and sided with Iowa's way when the Dems and Repubs of NJ actually agreed on something.

And it doesn't really matter. I mean, let's be honest, Hillary is going to win. Sigh. She's going to win. Man that's depressing. Still better than whatever evil lunatic the Republicans eventually settle with, but still--so depressing. :(

Yea but Hillary is fucking horrible.  She'll whore out for big business just like republicans would.  The only difference is that she might actually hold some democratic values.


Meanwhile from the web:

George R. R. Martin, the author of the Game of Thrones book series, posted an angry note to his LiveJournal blog after the NFC Wild Card Game on Sunday night.

Martin was disgusted by a reversed pass-interference call that went against the Lions.

“If I was a Detroit Lions fan, I’d be screaming for referee blood about that,” he began, then elaborated: “Picking up that flag on a FLAGRANT pass interference by Dallas in the fourth quarter was the worse call… or non-call… the NFL has seen since… well… since the non-call on the botched field goal attempt in the Giants/ 49ers playoff game ages ago.”

The blog post came with a big thumbs-down image, along with Martin clarifying that his mood was: “Angry.”





Yup, this is what George is doing instead of finishing his fucking story.  Write some GoT books, you fucking old idiot!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 08:36:55 AM
I know. I'm saying we're in a world where Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Eh, at least we had Obama who I feel does try to do the right thing--if he isn't always stopped by Republicans being petty and evil and Dems being cowardly and stupid.

Yeah, I don't respect either party. :)

And don't worry about it. He gave HBO notes to what happens next, so we can watch instead of read. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 03:34:43 PM
Dear lord, will they give it a rest?

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12098060&src=desktop&rand=ref~{%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%22}&wjb

IT WAS A BACKWARD PASS! They even did computer simulations! Get over it, you hack!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
I know. I'm saying we're in a world where Hillary is the lesser of two evils. Eh, at least we had Obama who I feel does try to do the right thing--if he isn't always stopped by Republicans being petty and evil and Dems being cowardly and stupid.

Yeah, I don't respect either party. :)

It doesn't even pay to try to do the right thing these days. If Obama had just given lip service to health care reform and got nothing through, the Dems probably still control at least one house of congress.

But some of the same people who want healthcare reform don't research but are scared by whatever a few rich guys flood the airwaves with and there we go. Of course years down the road it will probably be along the lines of Medicare. Didn't want it, made activist people pay the price in elections, but now want everyone not to touch theirs.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
And that's why I like Obama. I honestly feel that he tries to do his best to make things better. Healthcare. Yeah. I live in a state where the idiots in charge best idea is a lottery. A ****ING LOTTERY.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 05, 2015, 10:52:55 PM
Boys. Sports forum. SPORTS.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 05, 2015, 11:02:20 PM
Okay.

The Rams owner looks deadset on taking the team to LA. I feel sorry for St. Louis.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 05, 2015, 11:28:23 PM
Boys. Sports forum. SPORTS.

Check your privilege, representative of patriarchal oppression.

Okay.

The Rams owner looks deadset on taking the team to LA. I feel sorry for St. Louis.

Well they went from the midwest to west coast originally. After twice as long back in the midwest as the first, it's getting close to time for a move back. Don't worry too much. By mid century they will be the Toronto Rams anyway.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 07, 2015, 11:44:15 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/any-given-sunday/2015/any-given-sunday-ravens-over-steelers

An article explaining just how under the radar John Harbaugh is as a coach. It seems nobody outside of Baltimore truly appreciates how great he is.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 08, 2015, 01:04:47 AM
I'm not saying he isn't great, just not top 5. He walked into a good situation with a good organization and great personnel.  The Ravens were perpetually a QB away until they got one in Flacco....even if he is meh until the Ravens make the playoffs. His success makes sense, and he hasn't been hamstrung by a roster of shit and/or bad contracts like some coaches do. Tomlin has been fucked because the Steelers only build through the draft and give out stupid in house extensions. He sat and watched for years as a decent D went to waste, because the Steelers O-line was garbage and they had to rebuild the line pick by pick. They finally do that, and they turn around and most of their good players have aged out on defense and they still extend them anyway. Troy Polumalu is a first ballot HOFer and the undisputed greatest strong safety of all time, but the Steelers were borderline negligent for giving him that extension he got. They should have BEEN said goodbye to him. Rex Ryan for instance isn't anywhere NEAR as bad a coach as he has been made out to be.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 08, 2015, 06:20:49 AM
I think Rex Ryan is a good coach. People were really disappointed that he didn't get the HC job when Billick was fired, especially when they hired a nobody named Harbaugh.

And Harbaugh should get coach of the year votes this year with the Ray Rice thing, the metric shit ton of injuries, etc, but he won't get a single vote. I think it is because people know the Ravens are one of the top 5 organizations in all of football. Still, like that article said, they are starting fucking arena league guys and winning in the playoffs.

And he has done it regardless of who his coordinators have been. Trust me, Ozzie Newsome always gives the team a solid roster, but I watched Brian Billick shit away years of an unbelievably stacked roster.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 08, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
No, the Arizona coach gets coach of the year because of all the injuries...I mean, a punter who can only kick maybe just over thirty yards? All the injuries to QB? The injuries to the RBs? The injuries to the defense...and they still got to the playoffs.

That's impressive.

It all caught up with them with the Panthers--but I honestly cannot think of anything he could have done to win that game. Just too many injuries
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 08, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
I think Rex Ryan is a good coach. People were really disappointed that he didn't get the HC job when Billick was fired, especially when they hired a nobody named Harbaugh.

And Harbaugh should get coach of the year votes this year with the Ray Rice thing, the metric shit ton of injuries, etc, but he won't get a single vote. I think it is because people know the Ravens are one of the top 5 organizations in all of football. Still, like that article said, they are starting fucking arena league guys and winning in the playoffs.

And he has done it regardless of who his coordinators have been. Trust me, Ozzie Newsome always gives the team a solid roster, but I watched Brian Billick shit away years of an unbelievably stacked roster.

No. Not even close. The engine of that defense, the front seven, has been mostly healthy and intact all season long. Forsett played well replacing Rice. The O line hasn't been healthy, but the Ravens haven't lost anyone crazy essential for the season outside of Jimmy Smith and maybe Pitta, who hasn't been the same for a while now. Yeah they have a shit ton of players on IR, but outside of Smith and Pitta, none of them were really going to be big contributors and were mostly depth type guys. All Arizona has lost is their essential players. Dockett, Washington, Palmer, Ellington, Stanton, Mathieu, Abraham, Mendenhall, etc.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 09, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
I think Rex Ryan is a good coach. People were really disappointed that he didn't get the HC job when Billick was fired, especially when they hired a nobody named Harbaugh.

And Harbaugh should get coach of the year votes this year with the Ray Rice thing, the metric shit ton of injuries, etc, but he won't get a single vote. I think it is because people know the Ravens are one of the top 5 organizations in all of football. Still, like that article said, they are starting fucking arena league guys and winning in the playoffs.

And he has done it regardless of who his coordinators have been. Trust me, Ozzie Newsome always gives the team a solid roster, but I watched Brian Billick shit away years of an unbelievably stacked roster.

No. Not even close. The engine of that defense, the front seven, has been mostly healthy and intact all season long. Forsett played well replacing Rice. The O line hasn't been healthy, but the Ravens haven't lost anyone crazy essential for the season outside of Jimmy Smith and maybe Pitta, who hasn't been the same for a while now. Yeah they have a shit ton of players on IR, but outside of Smith and Pitta, none of them were really going to be big contributors and were mostly depth type guys. All Arizona has lost is their essential players. Dockett, Washington, Palmer, Ellington, Stanton, Mathieu, Abraham, Mendenhall, etc.

I'm not saying he should win coach of the year, but he should be considered. If you told me before the year the Ravens would lose Ray Rice, Jimmy Smith, Dennis Pitta, Haloti Ngata, fucking SIX defensive backs, 3 O-lineman, etc. I would have said they go 6-10. And it straight up hate to say maybe Pitta. He's one of the most important players on the offense.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 09, 2015, 12:56:14 PM
I'm not saying he should win coach of the year, but he should be considered. If you told me before the year the Ravens would lose Ray Rice, Jimmy Smith, Dennis Pitta, Haloti Ngata, fucking SIX defensive backs, 3 O-lineman, etc. I would have said they go 6-10. And it straight up hate to say maybe Pitta. He's one of the most important players on the offense.

I wouldn't necessarily say Ray Rice was a huge loss, because given what he gave the Ravens last year, Forsett was actually an improvement. Haloti Ngata missed one game. And like I said, the depth and effectiveness of that front seven has been the strength of that football team all year long. Ngata, Brandon Williams, Jernigan, Dumervill, McPhee, Mosley, Suggs, Canty, etc. Pitta....that may have been true about him 2 years ago, but he just hasn't been the same or been the same chain mover for Flacco he's been in the past even when he was on the field, so I would not give him that much credit either. Jimmy Smith and CB depth has been rough, but even with Smith, the secondary wasn't all that good. Although it was good that Smith developed, because I don't know what happened to Webb, unless it's injuries taking their toll. Because he was one of the best young corners in the NFL like 2-3 years ago.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 09, 2015, 01:05:06 PM
That being said, the Ravens are pretty well built to beat the Patriots. Run the ball, take some deep shots, play the short stuff. What hurts the Ravens is their defense against deep passes, which isn't Brady's forte anyway. They actually play the short stuff pretty well. If they can bring pressure with 4? Brady is having a bad day. However a healthy Gronk is someone who needs bracket coverage and can attack the middle of the field, so that helps. We have yet to play the Ravens with a healthy Gronk in YEARS. Also, the Ravens running game is not a power running game, which the Pats aren't great against, it's zone. So I think they can do ok against the run, especially with Hightower and Collins having both emerged as playmakers. Defensively, I think they will put Revis on an island against Steve Smith, Browner on Owen Daniels, and Kyle Arrington and McCourty on Torrey Smith in bracket coverage. That should work well enough, IMO. But the Ravens can definitely win. Barring any freak injuries (The Pats always have one major injury in the playoffs these past few years, whether it be Gronk or Talib or someone) I think the Pats win.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 09, 2015, 06:35:50 PM
Is anyone going to be daring with upsets this week?

The Ravens have a shot. They are 2-1 and could easily be 3-0 in three recent playoff visits to Foxborough. The team and it's QB step up in the playoffs. The Ravens with not be intimidated going into Gillette. Which is more than can be said for almost any other AFC club. But it's one of Brady's later chances to win another title and he has defense and Gronk along for the ride this time. I don't think this is one of the better Baltimore squads from recent years and no Ray Rice around either. Though again.......playoffs. Still Patriots

Too bad for them the Ravens aren't going to Denver. I would fancy their odds more there. I don't feel that way about the Colts though. Easy Bengals win and all, I don't trust Indy yet. Broncos

Panthers have been on a nice run but have not actually beaten a class opponent during it. They face one in a nightmare place to play so their trip ends this week. Seahawks

Despite the bs last week Dallas-Green Bay is my favorite matchup and one I am waffling on. Pack has not been lights out at home in the playoffs like they once were. Both teams played the softer south divisions in one conference or the other. Pack's run D has not been great, but improved over the second half of the season. If Dallas gets a hit or two on Rodgers in the cold, who knows. Pack usually protects Rodgers though. Green Bay is also more used to the elements. Though Dallas brings Murray which figures to help with that provided they do not fall behind too early by too much. Green Bay can run too however. I guess I'm leaning to Green Bay because I trust Rodgers more than Romo. Even though Tony has been very solid this year and Aaron is not 100%. Packers
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Jenny Everdeen on January 09, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
romo is hot cowboys are the best and will win superbowl this year
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 09, 2015, 10:48:30 PM
I'm not saying he should win coach of the year, but he should be considered. If you told me before the year the Ravens would lose Ray Rice, Jimmy Smith, Dennis Pitta, Haloti Ngata, fucking SIX defensive backs, 3 O-lineman, etc. I would have said they go 6-10. And it straight up hate to say maybe Pitta. He's one of the most important players on the offense.

I wouldn't necessarily say Ray Rice was a huge loss, because given what he gave the Ravens last year, Forsett was actually an improvement. Haloti Ngata missed one game. And like I said, the depth and effectiveness of that front seven has been the strength of that football team all year long. Ngata, Brandon Williams, Jernigan, Dumervill, McPhee, Mosley, Suggs, Canty, etc. Pitta....that may have been true about him 2 years ago, but he just hasn't been the same or been the same chain mover for Flacco he's been in the past even when he was on the field, so I would not give him that much credit either. Jimmy Smith and CB depth has been rough, but even with Smith, the secondary wasn't all that good. Although it was good that Smith developed, because I don't know what happened to Webb, unless it's injuries taking their toll. Because he was one of the best young corners in the NFL like 2-3 years ago.

Ngata missed 4 games. 1/4 the season. Forsett was a journeyman who never showed anything like this year. Webb has never been the same since he tore up his knee. Now that he's done it twice, he's not the same player.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2015, 10:57:20 PM
There are lots of coaches who deserve CotY consideration (and if I felt like it, I could homer up and talk about Pete Carroll deserves serious consideration for having the sense to cut Percy Harvin loose when the rest of the NFL lampooned the decision and for being able to get a team that looked like a solid playoff outsider at 6-4 and turned them into the #1 seed), but the fact of the matter is that Arians IS the Coach of the Year, and no one else is even close.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 10, 2015, 10:28:25 AM
There are lots of coaches who deserve CotY consideration (and if I felt like it, I could homer up and talk about Pete Carroll deserves serious consideration for having the sense to cut Percy Harvin loose when the rest of the NFL lampooned the decision and for being able to get a team that looked like a solid playoff outsider at 6-4 and turned them into the #1 seed), but the fact of the matter is that Arians IS the Coach of the Year, and no one else is even close.

A lot of that was injuries, though. Wagner missed a bunch of games, Chancellor was dinged up, and the DL replacements on the line (like Kevin Williams for instance) took a while to get acclimated and get going.
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Post by: Prime on January 10, 2015, 10:50:35 AM
Ngata missed 4 games. 1/4 the season. Forsett was a journeyman who never showed anything like this year. Webb has never been the same since he tore up his knee. Now that he's done it twice, he's not the same player.

Ahh, for some reason I got 2014 mixed up with 2013 in my head. But I do know the Ravens D-Line had the depth to absorb that hit. Brandon Williams has been playing good football this year. McPhee puts his hand in the dirt quite a bit, especially in obvious pass situations. Jernigan, Canty also provide good depth. That front seven has been fine, actually exceptional.

Even if Forsett is a journeyman, Rice gave the Ravens like 3 yards a carry last year. Not like 3.5 either, THREE. He didn't even have 1000 total yards from scrimmage in 2013. That's not that hard to improve on, especially since they brought in Kubiak. If anything, Rice's scandal may have done the Ravens a favor schematically, as there was no guarantee he would have been effective, but they still would have kept giving him the ball anyway.

An aside on Pitta? OVERRATED, sure he can move the chains, but he had ONE good season, and he didn't even crack 700 yards receiving. He has been meh, or hurt besides that. Daniels is an upgrade over Pitta, he has produced at or damn near close to Pitta's peak numbers pretty consistently over the bulk of his career more or less.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 10, 2015, 11:51:50 AM
I have a feeling that were gonna have upsets in 3 of 4 playoff games this week.  The only sure thing I see is the Seahawks over Panthers.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 10, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Funny thing is, I feel like the Panthers will upset the Seahawks because it doesn't make any sense for them to win, lol.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2015, 03:45:17 PM
Colts will beat Denver.

Aside from that, I think the home teams win the other 3 games.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2015, 05:01:54 PM
14-0, Baltimore over NE in the first.

What the hell is wrong with the Pats against Baltimore?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2015, 05:06:49 PM
14-0, Baltimore over NE in the first.

What the hell is wrong with the Pats against Baltimore?

It's like Giants syndrome, Part II.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 10, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2015, 06:09:02 PM
Pass Interference on Darrelle Revis because he let Steve Smith push off of him. The refs want the Ravens to score before the half ends.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 10, 2015, 06:18:06 PM
The Ravens under Flacco/Harbaugh have another gear in the playoffs that most teams don't have. Still think Pats pull this out, but Ravens can beat anyone come playoff time. Supremely well-coached team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 10, 2015, 06:47:30 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Think you got Luck mixed up with Peyton. Honest mistake both played for the Colts.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 10, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
No, I don't. One is great and the other isn't--no matter what the announcers say. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 10, 2015, 08:08:34 PM
Heartbreaking, but the Pats were the better team this year. I don't care what anyone says, nobody wants to see the Ravens in the playoffs under Flacco/Harbaugh. They give any team all they can handle and then some. Ravens win this game with a healthy secondary. Walking into Foxborough and hanging 31 on the Pats (with their best D in at least 5-10 years) usually means winning. Hopefully, they stay healthy next year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2015, 08:50:08 PM
Jesus Christ, Seahawks. Take ALL the stupid penalties tonight, huh?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 10, 2015, 09:52:22 PM
What a game. Didn't go how I thought in some ways, did in others. But, having a healthy Gronk and a more capable defense put the Pats over the hump. That and Brady playing with fire again this season. Guy is HUNGRY.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2015, 10:04:46 PM
And that terrible pass by Flacco with under two minutes to go?

You have plenty of time and should not want to rush things and give Brady the ball back needing just a field goal for OT. So you...... throw a dying quail into in effect double coverage. Joe played really well but that was a huge lapse of judgement.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 10, 2015, 10:37:04 PM
They were down four pts. It was touchdown or die, which is why he took that shot.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2015, 10:48:17 PM
To be clear, I meant assuming a Ravens td, you don't want to give Tom the ball back with a minute and half to go and a timeout while just needing three points for a 38 all tie.

Why not keep taking chunks and use up as much time as possible while scoring? I could understand if there were only a few seconds to go or it was fourth and twenty. Once I saw him release the pass, I knew if it did not go out of bounds, it was probably going to be picked off.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 11, 2015, 12:54:05 AM
Flacco got duped on the play. Yeah, there was time left, but if you have a shot in that situation you take it. The problem is Flacco was fooled by the D on that throw. It wasn't Flacco's best game, but he definitely played well enough to win. The secondary, as pretty much every football person knew, was the Ravens undoing. Once the Pats did a better job of protecting Brady in the second half, the under manned secondary couldn't hold up. They were game but the lack of talent was obvious. If Jimmy Smith and Pitta comes back healthy and if they have their typically strong draft, I'll optimistically point to the Ravens as a potential Top 2 seed heading into next year's playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 11, 2015, 10:16:39 AM
No, I don't. One is great and the other isn't--no matter what the announcers say. :)

Luck can play, PTF. He'll cut the turnovers down. His only issue. And that will change when the colts get him a possession WR and/or a running game to shorten the chains a bit. Having Ahmad Bradshaw back in the short passing game next year will certainly help.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on January 11, 2015, 10:26:29 AM
I don't understand why Rex would take the Buffalo job. He's going to be in the exact same situation he was in during his tenure with the Jets. A very good defense with no offense or QB to speak of. And I heard Atlanta was really interested in him. If I were him, I would've taken that job in an instant. It was tailor made for him. They already have a very solid offense, just need O-Line help, and a better defense. And if he really is the defensive guru people make him out to be, he should be able to improve that aspect of their team fairly quickly.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on January 11, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Just saw that Buffalo is paying him 5.5 mil/yr for the next 5 years. That's probably why he took it,
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 11, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
I don't understand why Rex would take the Buffalo job. He's going to be in the exact same situation he was in during his tenure with the Jets. A very good defense with no offense or QB to speak of. And I heard Atlanta was really interested in him. If I were him, I would've taken that job in an instant. It was tailor made for him. They already have a very solid offense, just need O-Line help, and a better defense. And if he really is the defensive guru people make him out to be, he should be able to improve that aspect of their team fairly quickly.
It makes perfect sense, actually. As a whole, the Bills defense has more talent overall than the Jets do. WAY more talent in the secondary, which is Rex's specialty. He'll work wonders for Stephon Gilmore (who is already a really good ascending corner) and Leodis McKelvin who is talented, but needs to be coached up. They can probably put together a decent running game with Fred Jackson and co, maybe even bring back Spiller...but there are decent veteran RB's available in free agency as well. At least they have a nice legit #1 WR in Sammy Watkins, they are just a QB away. Need to make the right choice.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 11, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
With Seattle's win last night, an amazing statistic continues.

Since divisional realignment in 2001, the NFC West is the only division to have a team win at least one playoff game EVERY SEASON. It is also the only division to have a team advance as far as the second round every year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 11, 2015, 12:20:22 PM
I guess, but it's more attributed to dynastic success of certain teams than the division as a whole being great. Greatest Show on Turf Rams, Holmgren's Seahawks, Kurt Warner's Cardinals, Seattle (The 7-9 squad that beat NO on the coming out party run by beast mode), Harbaugh's Niners, and the Seahawks again.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 11, 2015, 02:01:03 PM
I didn't say he couldn't. I'm just tired of people putting him together with Brees, Manning, Rodgers that category. He's not there.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 11, 2015, 02:04:09 PM
He isn't there yet, everything points to it. Cuts down on his turnovers and takes what defenses give him a bit more, and he is in their league. He and Russell Wilson are right there.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 11, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
Luck's main problem is that too much rides on him and their passing game. Their running is weak and the defense does not hold up against better opponents. We will see if that changes today. It has to if they are going to advance.
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Post by: Prime on January 11, 2015, 05:59:42 PM
Pretty much. Their defense isn't bad. Vontae Davis can play, they'd be better if they had Robert Mathis. But he is out for the season after he got injured while serving his suspension for PED's.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Crab Master on January 11, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
Looks like there is going to be no rematch in this years Superbowl.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 11, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Crab Master on January 11, 2015, 07:41:00 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Even if they managed to get by the Colts, the Patriots would've pinball them up and down Gillete stadium.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 11, 2015, 07:42:33 PM
Manning's done.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 11, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Even if they managed to get by the Colts, the Patriots would've pinball them up and down Gillete stadium.

I'm super unimpressed by the Patriots based on yesterday's game. I've seen nothing this weekend to dissuade me from my Pre-Season Superbowl pick: Seattle vs Indianapolis.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Crab Master on January 11, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
I see a New England/Seattle Superbowl in three weeks.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 11, 2015, 08:09:58 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Even if they managed to get by the Colts, the Patriots would've pinball them up and down Gillete stadium.

I'm super unimpressed by the Patriots based on yesterday's game. I've seen nothing this weekend to dissuade me from my Pre-Season Superbowl pick: Seattle vs Indianapolis.

That is straight up ravens hate. The Pats didn't look bad, the ravens were really good.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 11, 2015, 08:10:38 PM
I see a New England/Seattle Superbowl in three weeks.

Same, which was my preseason pick.

Then again despite doubts about Denver I did not believe in the Colts either.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Master on January 11, 2015, 08:17:21 PM
Denver lost because Manning was throwing slow as shit. Lofting screen passes? Damn.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 11, 2015, 08:19:26 PM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Even if they managed to get by the Colts, the Patriots would've pinball them up and down Gillete stadium.

I'm super unimpressed by the Patriots based on yesterday's game. I've seen nothing this weekend to dissuade me from my Pre-Season Superbowl pick: Seattle vs Indianapolis.

That is straight up ravens hate. The Pats didn't look bad, the ravens were really good.

Yeah, that's true. I'm not impressed that they struggled with a mediocre Baltimore team and allowed the Ravens to score 31 points. I mean, you can "OMG RAVENS TURN IT UP IN THE PLAYOFFS" me all you want, but they were a 6th seed who played a J.V. regular season schedule, barely got into the playoffs, and beat another cupcake mediocre team who played a similarily awful schedule to get into the playoffs in the first round. I don't think having the Ravens give you almost all you can handle is the sign of a good team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 11, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
The Colts played in a weak division themselves though. Probably the weakest in the league save the NFC South.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 11, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
The Colts played in a weak division themselves though. Probably the weakest in the league save the NFC South.

Oh, I know. That's one of the reasons I'm so low on Pitt/Balt/Cincy... because their two opposing divisions this year were the AFC and NFC Souths, the two worst divisions in the league (though Cincinnati at least also played Denver and New England). So I'm not high on the Colts' strength of schedule, either, but I think they just have a better team overall. I'm really high on Luck.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2015, 03:47:36 AM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Lemme alone. I have the flu.

Yeah, I'm really surprised by how bad the Broncos played as a whole. They hardly ever came close to Luck, couldn't do anything with the turnovers, Manning...well, his big arm isn't what it used to be. The Colts decided. Okay, we'll cut off the short passes, let'em screen we'll be ready, and dared them to throw it long on them. Manning couldn't do it.

And his WRs seemed to have a sudden case of the droppsies (or doing their Colts impression)

Sherron ain't much at RB for the Colts, but he's something!

Oh, and as for comparing the Dez catch to the Calvin Johnson catch. The difference is Calvin actually caught the ball. I still say he catch it and let it go because he thought he had an instant touchdown. Dez just couldn't hold on.

And it looks like Jerry Jones will have to have a coach whose job is to call timeouts now. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Happy the Cowgirls got sent back home to hickland.  Can't call in any favors from Green Bay.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 12, 2015, 10:09:45 AM
Peh. Denver will destroy The Colts. Luck's curse in the playoffs only knocks out the first round team's best players. :)

Tell me more about this destruction, Prop.

Even if they managed to get by the Colts, the Patriots would've pinball them up and down Gillete stadium.

I'm super unimpressed by the Patriots based on yesterday's game. I've seen nothing this weekend to dissuade me from my Pre-Season Superbowl pick: Seattle vs Indianapolis.

Lol, I don't know what game you were watching, but nothing I saw in that game gave me ANY indication the Colts would beat New England. Luck gave the ball away twice, one of which was on a HORRIBLE throw. They beat Denver only by eleven and Peyton Manning played like a second stringer and Aqib Talib played like utter shit. That impresses you enough to think they will go to the Super Bowl? You need to watch that game again. It wasn't about Luck winning that game, it was about Manning losing that game, even though Luck gifted them multiple chances to do so. Vontae Davis showed up, yeah. But Manning missed wide open players several times and had no zip whatsoever on the ball.

You don't know what you're talking about, Bamf.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 12, 2015, 10:53:25 AM
Yeah, that's true. I'm not impressed that they struggled with a mediocre Baltimore team and allowed the Ravens to score 31 points. I mean, you can "OMG RAVENS TURN IT UP IN THE PLAYOFFS" me all you want, but they were a 6th seed who played a J.V. regular season schedule, barely got into the playoffs, and beat another cupcake mediocre team who played a similarily awful schedule to get into the playoffs in the first round. I don't think having the Ravens give you almost all you can handle is the sign of a good team.

It's all about matchups, and the Ravens present a rough matchup for the Patriots. The Patriots passing attack's strength is attacking the short and intermediate parts of the field, especially over the middle. Baltimore's passing D actually EXCELLED at defending short/intermediate routes, and were god awful against the deep pass, especially over the middle. DVOA statistics, which are adjusted for strength of opponents, backs all this up by the way. Between their ability to cover short (I think this is probably because of Daryl Smith and CJ Mosley's ability to cover on top of playing the run) passes, and their pass rush and their ability stop the run, they presented a rough matchup in this game. The difference? Rob Gronkowski. Elite target that could attack the deep middle of the field (Baltimore was 31st overall against the deep pass, and I think 4th or 5th worst at defending the deep middle. and that is exactly what he did.

Offensively? Flacco does play better in the playoffs, but I also think the running game keeping the down and distance manageable helped MASSIVELY. Harbaugh made a ballsy decision I didn't think he would. Marshal Yanda, the best guard in the NFL, had been playing RT due to injuries on the line. For this game (probably because the Pats pass rush is only slightly above average at best so its not as scary on the outside, and the Pats blitz up the middle)  they moved him back to guard where he played right over Vince Wilfork. Vince Wilfork is a run stopping DT and Yanda had him on SKATES, and Yanda does that to everybody. Only O-Line as good as the Ravens up the middle is Dallas and Green Bay, not Indy.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 12, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
John Fox is officially out as Denver's HC. WOW. I wonder if they will promote Adam Gase or get someone else entirely.  Whoa.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 12, 2015, 05:45:19 PM
Payton has a torn quad....
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 12, 2015, 05:50:06 PM
That helps explain his less than typical play. One way or another it looks like the Broncos run as a top team might be coming to an end.
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Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 12, 2015, 06:36:44 PM
That helps explain his less than typical play. One way or another it looks like the Broncos run as a top team might be coming to an end.
nah...another good defensive coach,& the return of a healthy Payton= they should be fine
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2015, 07:09:12 PM
He's had it for a month apparently. That would be the St. Louis game, wouldn't it? Because they were really laying it on him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 12, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
That helps explain his less than typical play. One way or another it looks like the Broncos run as a top team might be coming to an end.
nah...another good defensive coach,& the return of a healthy Payton= they should be fine
The Broncos window has closed with Peyton as their QB. Not physically capable of taking the Broncos all the way.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 13, 2015, 12:01:06 AM
Broncos are done. Manning is done.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 13, 2015, 12:13:02 AM
Broncos aren't done. If they had a halfway decent QB that could actually throw the football they'd be pretty good. With an elite QB, they'd be great. O-Line needs work, but besides that, they have a ton of offensive talent. Defensively too. They need to get rid of Jack Del Rio, it boggles my mind how he is a head coaching candidate. He is awful. Talib had a bad game, and rightfully deserves grief for some of his play and egregious holds. But how the fuck do you put Talib in coverage on TY Hilton? It's been obvious for years that Talib can't cover quick twitch, deep speed type receivers. Guys like Hilton, DeSean Jackson, etc DESTROY Talib. To make matters worse, you have a corner just as good (and probably better) in Chris Harris, who has the kind of quickness and speed to cover a receiver like Hilton. But it wasn't just Talib, TJ Ward played like utter shit, too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 13, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
Broncos aren't done. If they had a halfway decent QB that could actually throw the football they'd be pretty good. With an elite QB, they'd be great. O-Line needs work, but besides that, they have a ton of offensive talent. Defensively too. They need to get rid of Jack Del Rio, it boggles my mind how he is a head coaching candidate. He is awful. Talib had a bad game, and rightfully deserves grief for some of his play and egregious holds. But how the fuck do you put Talib in coverage on TY Hilton? It's been obvious for years that Talib can't cover quick twitch, deep speed type receivers. Guys like Hilton, DeSean Jackson, etc DESTROY Talib. To make matters worse, you have a corner just as good (and probably better) in Chris Harris, who has the kind of quickness and speed to cover a receiver like Hilton. But it wasn't just Talib, TJ Ward played like utter shit, too.

Who are they going to get? And if Manning does come back, he's obviously in decline and they will be going nowhere serious with him. Julius Thomas disappeared. They have talent, but I think you are underestimating just how much they needed a vintage Manning to make their shit work. Plugging in some rookie or rando FA QB isn't getting them a bye next year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 13, 2015, 08:55:13 PM

Who are they going to get? And if Manning does come back, he's obviously in decline and they will be going nowhere serious with him. Julius Thomas disappeared. They have talent, but I think you are underestimating just how much they needed a vintage Manning to make their shit work. Plugging in some rookie or rando FA QB isn't getting them a bye next year.
Super Bowl? No. Competitive, yeah. Too much talent otherwise. Demariyus Thomas isn't going anywhere, and neither is Emmanuel Sanders. Julius and Wes Welker are most likely gone, as is Terrence Knighton. Chris Harris is there longterm, and I think Talib sticks until Von Miller's deal expires next offseason and he gets a HUGE raise. Maaaaybe they see about signing Rg3 in 2016? But in all likelyhood they will find someone through the draft.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 13, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
So the Raiders want Jack Del Rio as their head coach.

...

Do the Raiders have any idea how to succeed? At all?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 13, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
Clearly not. The coaching pool is shitty this season, and none of the good candidates want the Raiders job. Maybe they should think outside the box and look for someone like Kevin Sumlin at Texas A&M. Or maybe Pep Hamilton from the Colts.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 13, 2015, 10:53:48 PM
Jets hired Todd Bowles. FUCK.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 14, 2015, 01:02:24 AM
Wow. The Jets got something right. And am I the only one who doesn't feel sorry for Doug Marrone?

And yeah, the Raiders probably should look to college. And the Raiders are like the Browns in that--they're insane. I mean, yeah, the Jaguars suck, but I just consider them inept. I think of the Browns and Raiders as Beavis and Butthead piloting drones.

And John Fox got fired...er, agreed to be fired by John "Horseface" Elway. Honestly, I don't like John Fox as a coach because he seems more playing not to lose instead of playing to win. But he did a good job letting Manning tell him what to do on offense.
And it looks like he had doubts on Manning and Elway wants to keep his BFF happy.

I hate to say it, but teams have figured out how to beat Manning.

Garrett signed an extension with the Cowboys. They also kept Marinelli, best known as the guy you think is the Cowboys coach since he's the one the cameras cut to on the sideline. There was talk of him going to Tampa...but yeah, who would be that dumb?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Time Immemorial on January 15, 2015, 05:27:08 PM
Cowboys got fucked.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 16, 2015, 12:00:21 PM
Cowboys got fucked.

Yes, but righteously so after Detroit in the first round.

The zebreas giveth; the zebras taketh away.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 18, 2015, 06:34:33 PM
Wow....that game. Thought GB had it on that last pick. Wow. I hope Sherman broke his arm or wrist, lol.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 18, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
HOLY SHIT we didn't deserve to win that game at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Crab Master on January 18, 2015, 06:36:43 PM
This is going to sting for the cheese heads for a very long time.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 18, 2015, 09:12:49 PM
The Colts played in a weak division themselves though. Probably the weakest in the league save the NFC South.

Oh, I know. That's one of the reasons I'm so low on Pitt/Balt/Cincy... because their two opposing divisions this year were the AFC and NFC Souths, the two worst divisions in the league (though Cincinnati at least also played Denver and New England). So I'm not high on the Colts' strength of schedule, either, but I think they just have a better team overall. I'm really high on Luck.
Care to revisit this, BAMF?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Clock on January 18, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
I wouldn't say anything until the game is over.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 18, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Sure. I think it's awesome!

In the last two years, Seattle's beaten Brees, Manning, and Rodgers in the playoffs. What do you think is going to happen to Brady? He's just another checkmark on that list of the Elite NFL QBs. Seattle played the worst possible game they could play, and still beat one of the best teams in the league today. Beating Brady is going to be good for the legacy of the best defense in NFL history.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 18, 2015, 09:25:19 PM
Also... GOD, I can't wait to be online for the next few weeks of hand-wringing and belly-aching. Are there two more hated teams in the NFL than Seattle and New England? "Wah! Seattle is loud-mouth thugs!" "Booo! The Patriots video-taped people!"

Gonna be a lot of upset bitching in the lead-up to SB49.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: pittfox on January 18, 2015, 09:56:14 PM
Haha that is damn true!!!!

Brady Smash!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 18, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
Sure. I think it's awesome!

In the last two years, Seattle's beaten Brees, Manning, and Rodgers in the playoffs. What do you think is going to happen to Brady? He's just another checkmark on that list of the Elite NFL QBs. Seattle played the worst possible game they could play, and still beat one of the best teams in the league today. Beating Brady is going to be good for the legacy of the best defense in NFL history.
I dunno if that's the case. Last time we played, Seattle won by one against a terrible Pats defense at CenturyLink. Seahawks concede the short stuff, which Brady will happily take. Better in the short and intermediate game than Rogers. Seahawks are the favs, yes. But Tom Brady with a healthy Gronk, a good defense, and he and the Pats will be legit underdogs for the first time in a big game in forever? I'm thinking upset.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 18, 2015, 10:05:54 PM
That could have been the ravens in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 18, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
Beating Brady is going to be good for the legacy of the best defense in NFL history.
Also, not the best D in NFL. I think that Tampa D and the 2000 Ravens were superior, Steel Curtain, 85 Bears.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on January 18, 2015, 10:41:21 PM
Also... GOD, I can't wait to be online for the next few weeks of hand-wringing and belly-aching. Are there two more hated teams in the NFL than Seattle and New England? "Wah! Seattle is loud-mouth thugs!" "Booo! The Patriots video-taped people!"

Gonna be a lot of upset bitching in the lead-up to SB49.

Nah Cowboys are way more hated than the Seahawks.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on January 18, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
1) 85 Bears
2) Steel Curtain
3) 2000 Ravens
4) 60's Packers
5) No-Names

Have long been my top 5 D's. This Hawk's team is pretty damn special though.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on January 18, 2015, 11:53:52 PM
Also... GOD, I can't wait to be online for the next few weeks of hand-wringing and belly-aching. Are there two more hated teams in the NFL than Seattle and New England? "Wah! Seattle is loud-mouth thugs!" "Booo! The Patriots video-taped people!"

Gonna be a lot of upset bitching in the lead-up to SB49.
I've never understood that view of the Seahawks. Yeah, Sherman talks a lot of shit. But he's really the only one. Baldwin gives a few soundbites from time to time, but not enough to be considered a loud-mouth.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 19, 2015, 12:21:03 AM
Yeah, I mean, I don't think of the Seahawks like that. I did think of the 49ers like that and The Rams are like that. They're actually worse because they're also losers, so it's even more annoying to hear from them.

Seahawks would be like the Stone Cold Steve Austin of the NFL to me.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on January 19, 2015, 01:22:00 AM
Many Seahawk fans online have taken to the "we're the best and we've always been the best" attitude which pisses fans, especially 49er fans, off. Plus, nobody really likes to see teams repeat. Nobody wants to see the Seahawks win back to back and nobody REALLY wants to see the Pats win another one.

As a fan of another hated franchise, I like to revel in the hate.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on January 19, 2015, 01:34:48 AM
Well, there is Bluto on several forums - especially everything on Yahoo, and he's a fucking tool. I couldn't give two shits about forum 49er fans. Their calling Seattle fans or the team loud-mouths is an absolute joke. My wife has several in her family, and they never, ever stop crying. Her uncle is the worst. We actually stopped talking to him last season.

I've never seen the "We're great and always have been" people. I suppose there are probably a few, and yeah, they would be morons to say crap like that. Do they not remember when our QB lineup was Jeff Kemp, Dan Maguire and Stan fucking Gelbaugh? But what would that have to do with the team? You're probably right about the repeat thing though. Personally, I think it's just a bunch of people who don't like Sherman, translate that to the rest of the team, and love the fact that "Thug" is a safe codeword for less savory terms.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 19, 2015, 01:40:46 AM
Doug Baldwin is fucking annoying. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 19, 2015, 03:26:20 AM
Doug Baldwin is fucking annoying. Fuck that guy.
But he's going to the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 19, 2015, 04:04:08 AM
Sure. I think it's awesome!

In the last two years, Seattle's beaten Brees, Manning, and Rodgers in the playoffs. What do you think is going to happen to Brady? He's just another checkmark on that list of the Elite NFL QBs. Seattle played the worst possible game they could play, and still beat one of the best teams in the league today. Beating Brady is going to be good for the legacy of the best defense in NFL history.
I dunno if that's the case. Last time we played, Seattle won by one against a terrible Pats defense at CenturyLink. Seahawks concede the short stuff, which Brady will happily take. Better in the short and intermediate game than Rogers. Seahawks are the favs, yes. But Tom Brady with a healthy Gronk, a good defense, and he and the Pats will be legit underdogs for the first time in a big game in forever? I'm thinking upset.

Except the Pats are set as -1 favorites. :p

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/opening-super-bowl-gambling-point-spread-fortells-a-close-game-032049551.html
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 19, 2015, 09:40:34 AM
That will swing in the Seahawks favor for sure. The media and people in general will overwhelmingly pick the Seahawks to win this game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on January 19, 2015, 10:16:26 AM
That will swing in the Seahawks favor for sure. The media and people in general will overwhelmingly pick the Seahawks to win this game.

It doesn't really matter where it ends up, and I know what you're getting at. But really, BOTH of these teams play the "It's US AGAINST THE WORLD" and "NO ONE BELIEVED IN US" cards better than anyone. Carroll and Belichick both ingrain that mentality in their teams. I don't think the spread is going to influence either of them all that much.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Clock on January 20, 2015, 01:45:43 AM
49ers are going after Lane Kiffin. The thought of that is hilarious.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 20, 2015, 11:56:01 AM
So I just read the Niners are switching to a 4-3 from their 3-4. Tomsula is officially a fucking idiot. Strength of that defense is it's LB Corps, and I don't think Aldon Smith will be as effective as a 4-3 DE with his hand in the dirt. Dumb move.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 20, 2015, 11:56:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

So DeflateGate is legit. Excuse me while I go self-immolate on Bill Belichick's lawn.


*sigh*
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on January 21, 2015, 05:14:10 AM
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

So DeflateGate is legit. Excuse me while I go self-immolate on Bill Belichick's lawn.


*sigh*

The one thing I got from that video was that Aaron Rodgers likes his balls a little over-inflated.

Obviously this didn't change the outcome of the game. And I'm not going to say who is responsible for this or if they were intentionally deflated, but the main thing that bothers me so far is that the officials completely missed this. They're supposed check the footballs before the game, right? Seems like they weren't doing their jobs.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 21, 2015, 06:07:22 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2336984-nfl-reportedly-finds-11-of-12-balls-used-in-afc-championship-were-under-inflated

The Patriots should have their entire draft picks taken from them. ALL of them.
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Post by: Prime on January 21, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
This shit hurts my heart, man. Like seriously.
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Post by: Not BAMF on January 21, 2015, 10:14:38 AM
My problem with this is... why? The Patriots are obviously a good enough team to NOT NEED to do this shit. So why do they keep doing it? Is it just a game to them? "Let's See If We Get Caught?" And if so... how much shit have they done that HASN'T been caught? You've legitimately got to wonder.

It's just bewildering to me because the Pats are an all-time great team that are good enough to win without this shit.
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Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 21, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
My problem with this is... why? The Patriots are obviously a good enough team to NOT NEED to do this shit. So why do they keep doing it? Is it just a game to them? "Let's See If We Get Caught?" And if so... how much shit have they done that HASN'T been caught? You've legitimately got to wonder.

It's just bewildering to me because the Pats are an all-time great team that are good enough to win without this shit.
THIS!
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2015, 02:00:10 AM
That and you actually have refs making rules on the fly for you to win. It's like Dick Dastardly from the Wacky Races. You have the fastest car, so why do you cheat?
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Post by: altoon on January 22, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
Was it Jesse Ventura who use to say "Win if you can lose if you must but always cheat."
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 23, 2015, 12:14:15 AM
Yep.
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Post by: Clock on January 24, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
After today's press conference, I just don't know what to think.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 25, 2015, 12:53:14 AM
That Belicheat has a rudimentary grasp of science?  :)

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Post by: Prime on January 25, 2015, 01:24:54 AM
I'm just over it all. But like him or hate him, Belichick is easily the best coach of the super bowl era, and it isn't even close. He's an asshole, but he is the best there is
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Post by: altoon on January 25, 2015, 01:47:48 AM
At circumventing the rules.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 25, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
I'm just over it all. But like him or hate him, Belichick is easily the best coach of the super bowl era, and it isn't even close. He's an asshole, but he is the best there is

I think Tom Coughlin makes it close. He defeated the Pats twice in two superbowls...and has Eli as a QB. Pete Carrol could enter the discussion soon if the Seahawks win two superbowls back to back.

 
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Post by: altoon on January 25, 2015, 07:51:45 AM
I'm not willing to say this about either.
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Post by: Prime on January 25, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
I'm just over it all. But like him or hate him, Belichick is easily the best coach of the super bowl era, and it isn't even close. He's an asshole, but he is the best there is

I think Tom Coughlin makes it close. He defeated the Pats twice in two superbowls...and has Eli as a QB. Pete Carrol could enter the discussion soon if the Seahawks win two superbowls back to back.

 

Definitely not Coughlin. Not even close. Coughlin isn't even one of the best five coaches in football right now, let alone the Super Bowl era. As for the Seahawks, I give the GM a lot of the credit, did a great job of loading up that defense with players Carroll could use, but he isn't as good as Belichick. No one is.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 25, 2015, 03:36:02 PM
Oh, he's better coach than he is a scientist, I'll give you that. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/through-the-looking-glass--bill-nye--science-guy--refutes-bill-belichick-s-science-164442433.html

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Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 25, 2015, 06:00:31 PM
I'm just over it all. But like him or hate him, Belichick is easily the best coach of the super bowl era, and it isn't even close. He's an asshole, but he is the best there is

I think Tom Coughlin makes it close. He defeated the Pats twice in two superbowls...and has Eli as a QB. Pete Carrol could enter the discussion soon if the Seahawks win two superbowls back to back.

 

Definitely not Coughlin. Not even close. Coughlin isn't even one of the best five coaches in football right now, let alone the Super Bowl era. As for the Seahawks, I give the GM a lot of the credit, did a great job of loading up that defense with players Carroll could use, but he isn't as good as Belichick. No one is.
Parcells....
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Post by: Imperial on January 26, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
Belichick is easily the best coach of the entire Super Bowl era?

An era that includes Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Bill Parcells, and technically even Vince Lombardi?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on January 26, 2015, 07:14:41 AM
Yes. Pretty much NONE of those guys had to deal with free agency. Walsh left the 49ers in 88 right before Plan B free agency, and even that wasn't shit compared to what we have now after that got struck down as an antitrust violation in 92. And Parcells never won a SB without Belichick or Lawrence Taylor, he made it to three, and every single one Bill Belichick was his defensive coordinator or assistant head coach.
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Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on January 26, 2015, 02:17:10 PM
Yes. Pretty much NONE of those guys had to deal with free agency. Walsh left the 49ers in 88 right before Plan B free agency, and even that wasn't shit compared to what we have now after that got struck down as an antitrust violation in 92. And Parcells never won a SB without Belichick or Lawrence Taylor, he made it to three, and every single one Bill Belichick was his defensive coordinator or assistant head coach.
whom he learned everything he knows about football from,& who is mainly responsible for him getting the Cleveland,& New england jobs...or did you forget that the Patriots team he inherited was made by the Tuna?gtfoh!
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Post by: Prime on January 26, 2015, 04:13:53 PM
Yeah...no.
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Post by: Von Doom on January 26, 2015, 05:04:06 PM
So now the NFL is trying to pin the football deflation debacle on a locker room attendant: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/deflategate-locker-room-attendant_n_6549608.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/deflategate-locker-room-attendant_n_6549608.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

What a fucking joke.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 26, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
What? You expect them to take responsibility for their evil deeds? :)
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Post by: Imperial on January 27, 2015, 03:35:21 AM
Yes. Pretty much NONE of those guys had to deal with free agency. Walsh left the 49ers in 88 right before Plan B free agency, and even that wasn't shit compared to what we have now after that got struck down as an antitrust violation in 92. And Parcells never won a SB without Belichick or Lawrence Taylor, he made it to three, and every single one Bill Belichick was his defensive coordinator or assistant head coach.

It is true the game has changed. Hell if Bill was the head man back then, he probably would not have had an army of assistants taking care of various duties. Thus freeing him up to find new creative ways to cheat 2 win.  :D
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Post by: Crab Master on January 30, 2015, 03:47:15 AM
Anyone want to take a whack at what the final score will be?
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Post by: Not BAMF on January 30, 2015, 06:36:42 AM
Seattle wins 30-20 after the Patriots have a halftime lead of 13-6
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Post by: Master on January 31, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
Seattle wins 30-20 after the Patriots have a halftime lead of 13-6

Seattle 33-24. Tom Brady is seen saying "damn it" at least 10 times in the second half.
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Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on January 31, 2015, 05:03:32 PM
Brodgewater getting RotY over Odell Beckham Jr. is a fucking joke.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 01, 2015, 12:06:19 PM
Head says 23-20 Seahawks
Heart says 23-20 Pats

23-20 Pats is my pick.  If we win, I'm going streaking.
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Post by: Prime on February 01, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
Bridgewater getting RotY over Odell Beckham Jr. is a fucking joke.

That was the Pepsi rookie of the year award, which is meaningless and slanted anyway. Odell Beckham had 91 catches, 1300 plus yards, and 12 td's in only 12 games and 11 starts.


Jesus. That kid is a fucking monster. Once Manning gets Victor Cruz back in the slot? Yikes. If I'm the Giants, I go hard after Shane Vereen from the Patriots.
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Post by: Master on February 01, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
DAT CATCH.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
...

Why didn't you give the ball to Lynch!?!
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Post by: Master on February 01, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
...

Why didn't you give the ball to Lynch!?!

Hahaha, yeah. I'm sitting here thinking the Seahawks will no doubt just keep running it with Lynch to get the last few yards. NOPE.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
Yeah, I mean run the ball, run the clock, TD--You win.

Well, I guess cheaters do prosper...again. :)
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Post by: fatnlazy on February 01, 2015, 10:07:18 PM
That may be the single worst play call I've ever seen.
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Post by: Average John on February 01, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
Not giving it to Lynch is the most moronic play of the season.
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Post by: LiquidSailor on February 01, 2015, 10:08:54 PM
Bulter says he's having visions.  Burn this charlatan!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Panthergod on February 01, 2015, 10:10:32 PM
Fuck you haters. Bradys the best quarterback in the last 25 years. Suck it.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2015, 10:19:39 PM
Talk to me when there's a season where I don't hear about video taping other teams and deflating balls and we'll talk. :)
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Post by: LiquidSailor on February 01, 2015, 10:22:17 PM
Or picking up thrown flags with no explanation!
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2015, 10:24:33 PM
Or those two headed coins!
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Post by: Prime on February 01, 2015, 10:29:28 PM
What. A. Fucking. GAME. I thought that Kearse catch was Tyree/Arizona bad luck all over again, but Carroll and Bevell bailed us out with a fucking bonehead call. Crazy.
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Post by: pittfox on February 01, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
BEST SUPERBOWL EVER!
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Post by: LiquidSailor on February 01, 2015, 10:31:27 PM
NFL gets what they want, all the teams that got screwed over can go into next year expecting more of the same.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2015, 10:32:52 PM
Yeah, it was a great game. Still...not giving it to Lynch is all time stupid!

Commercials this year were pretty bad. Liked the Hare and Tortoise and the Snickers commercial but that's about it. 
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Post by: LiquidSailor on February 01, 2015, 10:37:07 PM
I only cared for the Liam Nieson one.
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Post by: Prime on February 01, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
BEST SUPERBOWL EVER!
I feel like people say that every year, barring last year. But this was an amazing game. Started off slow, but ended on a fantastic note.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 01, 2015, 10:55:04 PM
I don't know what was worse, that last play call, or the Nationwide dead kid ad.

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Post by: Prime on February 01, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
That ad was fucking ridiculous.
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Post by: Crab Master on February 01, 2015, 11:18:27 PM
I don't know what was worse, that last play call, or the Nationwide dead kid ad.

I found the Nationwide add funny for some reason....


Carroll/The OC is going to be roasted alive for that play for weeks...possibly even months to come. I mean, it's one thing if the Pats stopped Beast Mode cold from going in on Forth down...but to not use him at all? Wow.
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Post by: Average John on February 01, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
The thing is, if they handed it to Lynch and he fumbled, nobody would be second guessing the decision to give it to Lynch. He's your best player in that spot and it's not close. That Wilson pick was coming for an entire quarter. As the game wore on, he was forcing more and more throws, trying to make things happen, having the Pats come closer and closer to getting one. Brady consistently took what was given to him. That's the difference between an experienced veteran and a third year QB.

Also the Seahawks looked a bit entitled at the end of the game, with players throwing punches because they lost.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 01, 2015, 11:43:12 PM
The thing is, if they handed it to Lynch and he fumbled, nobody would be second guessing the decision to give it to Lynch. He's your best player in that spot and it's not close. That Wilson pick was coming for an entire quarter. As the game wore on, he was forcing more and more throws, trying to make things happen, having the Pats come closer and closer to getting one. Brady consistently took what was given to him. That's the difference between an experienced veteran and a third year QB.

Also the Seahawks looked a bit entitled at the end of the game, with players throwing punches because they lost.

Exactly. If they tried three straight times to punch it in and couldn't get it done, then I would have been disappointed, but I would have understood the decision. I will never understand what the hell happened here. Actually, Bevell probably though he was being so clever. Why Carroll or Wilson didn't step in and say, "What the fuck are you thinking?" I'll never know.

As for the last part of your quote, I didn't see that. As soon as Brady knelt to end the game, I turned the TV off.
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Post by: Crab Master on February 02, 2015, 12:12:56 AM


Exactly. If they tried three straight times to punch it in and couldn't get it done, then I would have been disappointed, but I would have understood the decision. I will never understand what the hell happened here. Actually, Bevell probably though he was being so clever. Why Carroll or Wilson didn't step in and say, "What the fuck are you thinking?" I'll never know.

As for the last part of your quote, I didn't see that. As soon as Brady knelt to end the game, I turned the TV off.



Yeah, the Seahawks almost started a fullscale brawl with the Pats. I guess frustration/entitlement just boiled over and such.
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Post by: LiquidSailor on February 02, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
They would have lost anyway.  Pats would have been throwing sand in their eyes and going for the groin constantly.  It's in their nature to cheat!
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Post by: Crab Master on February 02, 2015, 12:17:44 AM
They would have lost anyway.  Pats would have been throwing sand in their eyes and going for the groin constantly.  It's in their nature to cheat!

Bill would've thrown a camera at Sherman.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 12:24:23 AM


Exactly. If they tried three straight times to punch it in and couldn't get it done, then I would have been disappointed, but I would have understood the decision. I will never understand what the hell happened here. Actually, Bevell probably though he was being so clever. Why Carroll or Wilson didn't step in and say, "What the fuck are you thinking?" I'll never know.

As for the last part of your quote, I didn't see that. As soon as Brady knelt to end the game, I turned the TV off.
Yeah, that's pretty lame. I have a feeling there was a lot of taunting from NE. The way Bennet came across the line when the Pats were at the goal line seemed provoked.


Yeah, the Seahawks almost started a fullscale brawl with the Pats. I guess frustration/entitlement just boiled over and such.
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Post by: pittfox on February 02, 2015, 06:14:09 AM
Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.
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Post by: Master on February 02, 2015, 07:21:38 AM
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Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 07:39:47 AM
Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.

No, that pick wasn't Russell Wilson's fault at all. This is what he saw:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo307/supeprime/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/supeprime/media/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg.html)

QBs throw it just as Wilson did every single time seeing this. Malcolm Butler recognized the play and jumped the route. Lockette did a bad job of getting to the ball quickly to make the catch.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 08:37:13 AM
Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.

No, that pick wasn't Russell Wilson's fault at all. This is what he saw:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo307/supeprime/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/supeprime/media/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg.html)

QB's throw it just as Wilson did every single time seeing this. Malcolm Butler recognized the play and jumped the route. Lockette did a bad job of getting to the ball quickly to make the catch.
Yeah. I hate ragging on the guy, but Lockette's really not a very good wide receiver. He's fast as shit, but that's about all he's got going for him. His route running, hands, and awareness just aren't that great. Yet another reason to wonder why he was the target on the most important play of the year.
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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 08:52:15 AM
Most of the Seahawks WRs are not good.

Oh--where did that Matthews come from? They saving him as a super secret weapon for this one game? :)

And sleeping on it--yeah, that play is still stupid. They had the game won but someone wanted to be cute. That's pretty much it. It's like someone having a good on you, but decides he wants to use a bigger caliber and drops the first gun on your chest while he's loading the new gun. :)
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Post by: MTL76 on February 02, 2015, 08:57:48 AM
It was a dumb play to call. Even if it worked it would have been a dumb play to call. The run was a much surer thing. Only losers take chances like that.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
Most of the Seahawks WRs are not good.

Oh--where did that Matthews come from? They saving him as a super secret weapon for this one game? :)

And sleeping on it--yeah, that play is still stupid. They had the game won but someone wanted to be cute. That's pretty much it. It's like someone having a good on you, but decides he wants to use a bigger caliber and drops the first gun on your chest while he's loading the new gun. :)
Baldwin and Kearse are solid #2 WRs on most teams and #3s on the rest. Matthews is sort of a rookie. He was signed last year after the SB, but he had a few years in the CFL. And while you have a point that none of the WRs are great, that should tell you something about Lockette who got less playing time than Matthews and played behind Richardson most of the season.

And yeah, the call was supposed to be tricky or clever or some shit. I could just see Carroll and Bevell winking and grinning at each other while they discussed the call, marveling at how awesome and innovative their play calling is. God it was garbage.  Carroll's explanation was just tragically stupid. I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something to the effect of, "They sent out their goal line D squad, so we decided to just throw it away on 2nd down. Then we could run it on 3rd and 4th."

No shit they sent out their goal line D. That's what teams do on the goal line. And that's what Lynch runs though. If they wanted to be tricky, let Wilson run the read-option. At least put a fucking RB in the backfield so as to not completely telegraph what you're doing.

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Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 10:35:55 AM
I'm not going to blame Lockett. Keurse got jammed up by Browner and messed the already stupid play up. Seriously, what is it with this guy? Every time I watch a Seahawks game he always stands out for his mess ups. He also dropped a beautiful pass by Wilson. The championship game, he drops balls and when he didn't drop them...knocked them in the air for a defender to catch.

Heck, his big catch last night was a fluke and if he had gotten the heck up, he probably would have scored.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 10:44:32 AM
Most of the Seahawks WRs are not good.

Oh--where did that Matthews come from? They saving him as a super secret weapon for this one game? :)

And sleeping on it--yeah, that play is still stupid. They had the game won but someone wanted to be cute. That's pretty much it. It's like someone having a good on you, but decides he wants to use a bigger caliber and drops the first gun on your chest while he's loading the new gun. :)

More of special teams guy and a big body at WR with speed. A lot of his success was just Kyle Arrington being completely out of his element covering him. Arrington is good in the slot against smaller quicker receivers, but stick him on the boundary against a big body and he is fucked. Finally Belichick benched him and put in Malcolm Butler.
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Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Yeah, he looked pretty shaky the last couple games, that's definitely true. He's generally better than that, but he seemed unable to handle the pressure at times during the post season
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 10:49:31 AM
Lol, Johnny Manziel entered rehab today. Looks like Skip Bayless was right. Bayless was getting reamed for saying he thought Manziel was a liar and an alcoholic. Deadspin must be tiiiight right now. Clowned the shit out of him, Bill Simmons and his crew at Grantland were clowning Skip Bayless too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
Well, in the defense of everybody in the entire world, Bayless is generally an idiot. Stopped clock and all that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2015, 11:01:51 AM
Skip Bayless is not an idiot. He's a jerk, a prick...but he does know what he's talking about for the most part. I respect him out of every other person on ESPN.

The only times he really messes up is his love for the Cowboys or whatever team he's picking because he usually sticks to his picks no matter what.

Just because someone is a jerk, doesn't mean he's not intelligent.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 11:03:31 AM
Ok, I used idiot as a general term for "I dislike this guy."  But I don't know how often I've found him to be any more accurate in his rants than any other ESPN blowhard.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2015, 12:01:35 PM
The wound of this game is too fresh, and I really hate being "The Seahawks Guy" at my job. EVERYONE is dropping by my desk to ask my thoughts on the game, and it's not like I can say "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE?"

It's a damn shame that we had that Green Bay game AND that catch by Kearse just to lose. Feh. I died a little inside on that INT. then the REST of me died when Michael Bennett jumped offsides. After the GB game, I thought the Superbowl was destin. After the Kearse catch, I KNEW it was.

I obviously turned off the game at the end, but I saw that Brady was the MVP. I am a Brady fan, but that's ridiculous. Edelman was MVP or NO ONE was. Dude was insane. Seattle always happily gives up the catches he made all night, but the guy was a greased monkey; he was carzy hard to catch or tackle. He was the man. I could see an argument for the jabroney who made the INT, too. Brady would have been third in my mind.

And yeah... the playcall was what it was. I man... it's indefensible. But whatever. Without Carroll and Bevell and Wilson, we don't even sniff consecutive Superbowl appearances, so... what am I going to do? Get mad at their ONE screw up?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2015, 12:11:50 PM
I WILL say... if there was a third play that killed me? The 3rd-and-18 we gave up on what would turn out to be New England's first scoring drive in the fourth quarter. How the hell does that even happen against Seattle's defense? They were holding the Patriots to a "Death By A Thousand Tiny Cuts" offense ALL NIGHT... and then give up a big pass play at the worst possible time. IIRC, that was to Edleman, too (but I might be wrong).

Man, screw Edelman! I hate that guy now. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 12:25:41 PM
While I can agree with most of what you said here, I think the beginning of the season and Bevell's (could have been Carroll I guess) seeming love of trick plays got pretty annoying. I know Harvin had his problems, but I'll never understand whey the only way they felt they could get him the ball was on sweeps and screens.

I know what it's like to be the Seahawks guy at work. I live in Arizona. Now I work completely on my own, but a few of my friends from my old job took a few quick jabs after the game. At least my wife is also a Seahawks fan, my two closest friends are Lions fans, and the only friend I have who likes the Niners lives in another state.

Definitely should have been Edelman for MVP.

A few things I'm hoping for in the off-season - discipline along both sides of the line. The false starts, neutral zone infractions, and encroachment penalties have got to stop. A 1st or 2nd round O-lineman would be nice. Unger is awesome, but the rest are all just fine. I'd like better than that.

No idea who is going to replace Quinn.

A final note: Bevell on the last play, "We could have done a better job staying strong on the ball."  Fuck you, dude.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
I don't blame Bevell or Carroll for that. They were trying to appease the petulant brat that is Harvin to get maximum effort from him. They were handcuffed by his attitude.

I try not to be one of those guys who just ALWAYS hates the offensive coordinater. It's a fan cliche, and I think Bevell is fine. He's really helped Wilson grow, and he works to Wilson's strengths, which is all I can ask. In an era of pass, pass, pass, Bevell has been good about feeding Lynch at a healthy clip (last play of the Superbowl notwithstanding).

Dan Quinn is a loss, but... so was Gus Bradley. Good coaches move on; no excuses. Next man up. Besides, how hard is it to coach THAT defense? They don't do anything fancy.

They 100% need to draft offensive linemen. I would almost be okay with our draft if EVERY PICK were a lineman. It's that bad. But they won't do that. I'm actually really satisfied with our offense outside of the line (even our receivers, who I am actually a big fan of). Their three big needs are obviously O-Line (starter needed), D-Line (depth and rotation guys needed), and secondary (depth needed, and maybe someone to push Maxwell, Lane, Simon, and Burley to play up the rest of the LOB's caliber).
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 02, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
Was it really just trying to appease Harvin? It struck me as "Wow this really worked in last year's SB. We better keep it doing it over and over and over." I can see trying to keep your very expensive talent happy, but why with all the misdirection and trickery? Why not stick him in a lot of the routes Kearse runs and let him burn down field? Well, anyway, in the end it's better he's gone. I miss him more on kick returns than anything else.

Concerning the O-line beyond Unger, Okung is good. Carpenter never really lived up to his draft status, but he's alright I suppose. The right side - well, like you said, it wouldn't be bad for them to spend several picks on the line. The D-line is awesome, but yeah, some depth is warranted. Mebane should be back and healthy next year, right?

As for the receiving corps, I like them for the most part. Baldwin and Kearse are proto-typical possession receivers, but neither possess blazing speed, and Wilson does like to toss the ball 30+ yards a few times a game. Lockette's got 4.3 speed, but yeah. He's never open. Having a true deep threat could really open up the rest of the offense. Someone, anyone to add to the WR corps would be beneficial. They don't need a Megatron, just someone to make the DBs a little nervous.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on February 02, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
Mebane AND Hill will be back, but I was concerned about our depth before they went down. Remember, last year, Michael Bennett played fewer than 60% of the snaps, and Avril played even less. This year, they were both an every down player.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 02:40:22 PM
Yeah, he looked pretty shaky the last couple games, that's definitely true. He's generally better than that, but he seemed unable to handle the pressure at times during the post season
No Arrington just has his specialties and that's it. He has bombed several times over the years as a starting CB on either the left or right boundary, but has been good to excellent in the slot at times. It is where he belongs. In the slot, or against smallish, quick receivers. Did a hell of a job manned up on TY Hilton (albeit with help over the top, but a lot of CB's get help over the top against Hilton)in both of the Patriots' games against the Colts. Locked Hilton down for the most part.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 02:51:19 PM
The wound of this game is too fresh, and I really hate being "The Seahawks Guy" at my job. EVERYONE is dropping by my desk to ask my thoughts on the game, and it's not like I can say "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE?"

It's a damn shame that we had that Green Bay game AND that catch by Kearse just to lose. Feh. I died a little inside on that INT. then the REST of me died when Michael Bennett jumped offsides. After the GB game, I thought the Superbowl was destin. After the Kearse catch, I KNEW it was.

I obviously turned off the game at the end, but I saw that Brady was the MVP. I am a Brady fan, but that's ridiculous. Edelman was MVP or NO ONE was. Dude was insane. Seattle always happily gives up the catches he made all night, but the guy was a greased monkey; he was carzy hard to catch or tackle. He was the man. I could see an argument for the jabroney who made the INT, too. Brady would have been third in my mind.

And yeah... the playcall was what it was. I man... it's indefensible. But whatever. Without Carroll and Bevell and Wilson, we don't even sniff consecutive Superbowl appearances, so... what am I going to do? Get mad at their ONE screw up?

No, it was Brady. Although he did throw two picks, he completed 37 for 50 passes for 328 yards and four TD's against what may be the 2nd best pass defense of all time. And with a running game that was giving him less than three yards per carry and like 50 total. Two 60 yard drives in the fourth to score 14 points, when they were down 10? Yeah he was absolutely a deserved MVP. Seahawks D is designed to take away the big plays and wants to force you to drive down the field in small chunks, hoping you'd blink. Unfortunately, the Patriots offense is tailor made to do exactly that. They moved Gronk around and used him to clear out space for Edelman and Amendola and Vereen all night because of the threat he posed. Concede the short game to Brady and he'll make you pay every time. That and the Seahawks length, long speed and aggressiveness hurt them. Those long lanky db's are made for large physical receivers, asking them to come downhill in the short game and tackle smallish WR's with quick feet in space is a tall order, and why you saw so many pissed tackles. Brady was the MVP, and Gronk was the lynchpin to the whole gameplan. If the Seahawks were able to cover him one on one (they couldn't, which is why they got burned for that TD and that crucial 22 yard catch by Gronk) he would not have been as effective clearing the zone, but they had to account for him with double coverage, and that was all she wrote. 50 throws, making the Seahawks D line rush that many times, making the Seahawks DB's fly downhill to tackle so many times, it just wore them down by game end.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: DarthAlani on February 02, 2015, 02:58:36 PM
Worst loss I have ever experienced as a Seattle sports fan.  Good game and Seattle could have still won it at the end. 

Congrats Prime. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 02, 2015, 02:59:31 PM
I don't blame Bevell or Carroll for that. They were trying to appease the petulant brat that is Harvin to get maximum effort from him. They were handcuffed by his attitude.

I try not to be one of those guys who just ALWAYS hates the offensive coordinater. It's a fan cliche, and I think Bevell is fine. He's really helped Wilson grow, and he works to Wilson's strengths, which is all I can ask. In an era of pass, pass, pass, Bevell has been good about feeding Lynch at a healthy clip (last play of the Superbowl notwithstanding).

Dan Quinn is a loss, but... so was Gus Bradley. Good coaches move on; no excuses. Next man up. Besides, how hard is it to coach THAT defense? They don't do anything fancy.

They 100% need to draft offensive linemen. I would almost be okay with our draft if EVERY PICK were a lineman. It's that bad. But they won't do that. I'm actually really satisfied with our offense outside of the line (even our receivers, who I am actually a big fan of). Their three big needs are obviously O-Line (starter needed), D-Line (depth and rotation guys needed), and secondary (depth needed, and maybe someone to push Maxwell, Lane, Simon, and Burley to play up the rest of the LOB's caliber).
I never understood teams' obsession with hiring Seahawks defensive coordinators. The Defense is a high school defense. It's the players that are perfect tailor made fits for that system that set it off. If anything, I'd try to poach the Seahawks position coaches on D. Seahawks need O-Lineman and should go out and get Maxx Williams from the University or Minnesota and hope Richardson develops. Richardson has good speed and potential. But it's the beginning of the end. Maxwell is probably gone, and you may see more players gone. Bobby Wagner and Wilson are both in line for huge deals as they are near the top of the League in their respective positions. That's like 18-20 (Wilson) and 8-10 (Wagner) mil a year that will be going on that cap. What has made the Seahawks so effective is all the great young players they had on cheap rookie deals (and late round pick deals at that) They paid Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor already so...good luck going forward.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: DarthAlani on February 02, 2015, 03:10:56 PM
Which is why the NFL is so great and the NBA is a joke.  Love the salary cap.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: pittfox on February 02, 2015, 06:46:26 PM
Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.

No, that pick wasn't Russell Wilson's fault at all. This is what he saw:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo307/supeprime/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/supeprime/media/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg.html)

QBs throw it just as Wilson did every single time seeing this. Malcolm Butler recognized the play and jumped the route. Lockette did a bad job of getting to the ball quickly to make the catch.

It absolutely is. He led him really far and threw it way too high. This is a fairly simple pass that he should have hit correctly. This picture is nothing new, this play has been shown a lot. Butler made one of the great plays ever, but a better pass and things could be a whole lot different.

Also what is being over looked is that Bellicheck baited Carroll to pass. I try to do the same thing when I am playing Madden in that situation. Load up on Run defense hard. Basically if they score a easy passing TD then you have a little more time to get the ball back. If it is an incomplete pass then it kills the clock. If they do run then at least you have the best defense possible to stop them. (I doubt they were stopping Lynch)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 03, 2015, 12:21:37 AM
I'd like to believe otherwise, but I've read some speculation online that the play was called in an attempt to pad Wilson's stats and cement him as MVP. I really hope not. I'd rather believe the coaching staff simply got too clever and out-thought themselves.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on February 03, 2015, 02:47:09 AM
Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.

No, that pick wasn't Russell Wilson's fault at all. This is what he saw:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo307/supeprime/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/supeprime/media/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg.html)

QBs throw it just as Wilson did every single time seeing this. Malcolm Butler recognized the play and jumped the route. Lockette did a bad job of getting to the ball quickly to make the catch.

You don't make that throw into the middle of the field at the goal line when you have Marshawn Lynch. PERIOD.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 03, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
Talk to me when there's a season where I don't hear about video taping other teams and deflating balls and we'll talk. :)

I guarantee you don't even know what the actual deal with Spygate was. Crazy overblown. And only one ball was crazy deflated, the other balls were barely deflated, which would explain Brady not knowing the balls weren't up to snuff..
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2015, 09:25:49 AM
I know it. Have NFL network and one day I got bored and used wikipedia. And when the NFL destroys the evidence...I have to take that as a not good sign.

Yeah, yeah, new report. I'll wait until the...snicker...NFL's investigation. So either the Pats are only slightly cheaters or the NFL and Goodell are morons. I'll win either way on that one.

But until then, you want to discuss the Tuck rule? :)

Anyway, just heard Warren Sapp got fired from the NFL network for his arrest involving prostitutes while he was in Arizona.

And Bernard Pollard wants out of Tennessee. Yeah. I'd like to be a fan of another team but you don't hear me complain. Some nights I dream that I'm a Pats fan though. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on February 03, 2015, 09:20:24 PM
Bridgewater getting RotY over Odell Beckham Jr. is a fucking joke.

That was the Pepsi rookie of the year award, which is meaningless and slanted anyway. Odell Beckham had 91 catches, 1300 plus yards, and 12 td's in only 12 games and 11 starts.


Jesus. That kid is a fucking monster. Once Manning gets Victor Cruz back in the slot? Yikes. If I'm the Giants, I go hard after Shane Vereen from the Patriots.

Yeah, I found this out the next day.

Beckham is an absolute beast. I haven't been so awe inspired by a rookie WR since Randy Moss. Not only did those stats come in just 12 games, he was our only weapon. Teams knew he was going to be the focal point of the offense, gameplanned around that, and still could barely slow him down. I don't wanna put too high of expectations on him, but he is special.

Vereen would be nice fit, if he was used in the same role as he is in NE. But I don't think we need a 3rd back unless the money is right. Jennings and Williams would be more than solid behind a better line. And that's really the only offensive positions I'd want the Giants focusing on in the offseason. I think we need too much help on D to worry about offensive skill positions.

Bad play call. Horrendous really. That being said, Russell made a horrible throw. He throws the ball lower and doesn't lead the receiver as much it is a TD.

No, that pick wasn't Russell Wilson's fault at all. This is what he saw:
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo307/supeprime/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/supeprime/media/B8z8MvWCQAAMr1t.jpg.html)

QBs throw it just as Wilson did every single time seeing this. Malcolm Butler recognized the play and jumped the route. Lockette did a bad job of getting to the ball quickly to make the catch.

It absolutely is. He led him really far and threw it way too high.

I agree with Pittfox. Lockette did a poor job of going after the ball, but it was a bad throw. If it's lower and on him, not up high and out front, there's no chance for a pick. It's on Wilson.

I couldn't believe The Hoodie didn't call a timeout at the end of the prior play. The was astonished when Russel dropped back to pass. How do you call a pass in that situation? And if you're going to pass there, you fake it to Lynch 1st, because everyone and their mother would get sucked in.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2015, 11:20:08 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9489/dick-lebeau

Oh thank you thank you!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on February 04, 2015, 11:23:16 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9489/dick-lebeau

Oh thank you thank you!

HAHA. You are excited about the hiring of a really old coordinator that has likely seen the game pass him by? We'll see if LeBeau still has anything left and if it was the players that caused the Steelers to have a bad defense this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 04, 2015, 11:31:50 AM
C'mon, the Steelers defense got really, really old and injury prone. Heck, they had to bring back James Harrison. And...Kiesel? Someone else.

And--I'll take what I can get at this point. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 04, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9489/dick-lebeau

Oh thank you thank you!

HAHA. You are excited about the hiring of a really old coordinator that has likely seen the game pass him by? We'll see if LeBeau still has anything left and if it was the players that caused the Steelers to have a bad defense this year.

I don't think the game passed Lebeau by. The defense just aged out and the Steelers haven't really drafted well or tried to address it through free agency. Ike Taylor and Polumalu should have BEEN gone since last year. Maybe even the year before that. But the Steelers fucked themselves cap wise giving new deals to declining players. On top of that they have spent on pick after another trying to fix that offensive line, they finally did, but at the expense of getting new blood on D.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on February 04, 2015, 12:53:52 PM
Lebeau is a good risk for Tennessee. They weren't going anywhere anyway so it is not like there is much to lose by giving someone with his track record a chance.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Imperial on February 04, 2015, 01:05:26 PM
By the way, nice Hall class of 2015.

Good to see players that have waited a few years like Tim Brown and Charles Haley got in.

Not going to argue Mick Tingelhoff, who merits it. But vet wise I thought KC Safety Johnny Robinson or Packers Guard Jerry Kramer were even more deserving.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 05, 2015, 01:23:30 AM
Looks like we got a few more cheaters.

The Browns used texts to communicate during games and The Falcons pumped up the volume on their home games.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 05, 2015, 03:58:40 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/2/4/7980439/legarrette-blount-bitch-mode-shirt-patriots-parade-marshawn-lynch-seahawks (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/2/4/7980439/legarrette-blount-bitch-mode-shirt-patriots-parade-marshawn-lynch-seahawks)

Are you fucking kidding me? I could see mocking Shreman, Baldwin or Lane(normally Lane's fine, but he did make a stupid comment about Gronkowski), but for Blount to even try to mock Lynch is a fucking joke, especially considering how "well" Blount did in the SB.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on February 05, 2015, 10:13:22 AM
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/2/4/7980439/legarrette-blount-bitch-mode-shirt-patriots-parade-marshawn-lynch-seahawks (http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/2/4/7980439/legarrette-blount-bitch-mode-shirt-patriots-parade-marshawn-lynch-seahawks)

Are you fucking kidding me? I could see mocking Shreman, Baldwin or Lane(normally Lane's fine, but he did make a stupid comment about Gronkowski), but for Blount to even try to mock Lynch is a fucking joke, especially considering how "well" Blount did in the SB.

Yeah, I am a Pats fan and I didn't understand that at all. Out of pocket in my opinion. But Lynch does grab his crotch at opponents when he scores td's as well. Such is life.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2015, 10:37:07 AM
Maybe he's just itchy? :)

And the Titans have released Michael Oher. You might remember him from the movie the Blindside. That's about all to remember him for since after his rookie year, he's gotten worse and worse.

RG3 is not good enough to list as one of Washington's key players.

Looks like Chancellor played in the SB with a torn MCL. Christ was the Legion of Boom banged up. And that's why playing in the hardest hitting division in football stinks.

Titans hired Dick Lebeau. I've reported this but apparently the NFL Network and ESPN won't so I have to make up the slack. Seriously, if Jesus, Optimus Prime, and a super clone of Joe Montana joined the Titans--ESPN would still be talking about Tom Brady's hair or something like that. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on February 06, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
Chancellor had a torn MCL, Sherman had a torn ligament in his elbow and Thomas had a torn ligament in his shoulder. I'd like to use this as conversation fodder; however, even if they were all healthy, Simon was still getting burned all night long.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2015, 02:38:57 PM
Oh, and Lane broke his arm.

And, in his defense, he did much better in the second half.

Word is the Eagles are interested in Jake Locker. That word is STUPID!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2015, 05:45:26 PM
And the fines are in for the Superbowl fight.

Bruce Irvin: 10, 000
Michael Bennett, Gronk, and Hoomanawanui (Sp to hell with that one): 8,268

The Left Shark was defanged for going off script :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 07, 2015, 04:29:00 PM
Igconito looks to be close to signing with the Bills. If you don't remember, he's that guy who used to beat you up at high school and then act like that makes you friends.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 10, 2015, 02:35:41 PM
Jerry Rice admitted he used stick-um on his gloves. But of course instead of owning up "I didn't know it was against the rules." to "Everybody does it." I'm glad Cris Carter called him on it. Seriously, just say you were wrong and sorry. Don't pass off the blame or make excuses.

And the Raiders have hired Rod Woodson as DB coach. Can't complain about this. Especially with who they hired as head coach.

Kris Richards has been promoted to DC for the Seahawks.

Apparently some teams would rather have Sam Braddford than the two top rookie QBs. Yeah, yeah, let the fragile crash test dummy be your QB. He might make it to half the season one of these days.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 07, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
MARCH 6
New York Jets cut WR Percy Harvin.
Seattle cuts TE Zach Miller.

MARCH 5
New England will not pick up option on DT Vince Wilfork.

MARCH 4
Houston cuts C Chris Myers.
New Orleans cuts RB Pierre Thomas.

MARCH 3
Oakland cuts SS Tyvon Branch.
Philadelphia cuts CB Cary Williams and DE Trent Cole.

MARCH 2
Miami cuts CB Cortland Finnegan.
Pittsburgh cuts WR Lance Moore.
New York Giants cut C J.D. Walton.

FEBRUARY 27
Arizona cuts DE Darnell Dockett.
Baltimore cuts DE/DT Chris Canty.
Atlanta cuts WR Harry Douglas and G Justin Blalock.
Miami cuts WR Brian Hartline and WR Brandon Gibson.
Minnesota cuts G Charles Johnson.
Washington cuts NT Barry Cofield and DE Stephen Bowen.
Cincinnati cuts DE Robert Geathers and WR Greg Little.

FEBRUARY 26
Philadelphia cuts G Todd Herremans.
Tennessee LT Michael Roos retires after 10 NFL seasons.
Kansas City cuts TE Anthony Fasano.
Jacksonville cuts CB Will Blackmon.
St. Louis cuts DT Kendall Langford.
Atlanta cuts RB Steven Jackson, the NFL's active leading rusher.

FEBRUARY 25
Detroit cuts RB Reggie Bush.
Green Bay cuts ILB A.J. Hawk.
Baltimore cuts WR Jacoby Jones.
New York Giants cut RB Peyton Hillis.

FEBRUARY 24
New York Giants cut LB/DE Mathias Kiwanuka.

FEBRUARY 23
Arizona cuts WR Ted Ginn.
Carolina cuts RB DeAngelo Williams.
Indianapolis cuts DE Ricky Jean-Francois.

FEBRUARY 20
Cincinnati cuts C/G Mike Pollak.
Green Bay cuts ILB Brad Jones.

FEBRUARY 19
Philadelphia cuts TE James Casey.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 07, 2015, 01:01:00 PM
That's the roster cuts rundown as of now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on March 07, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
How do you feel about the pats letting Wilfork walk?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 08, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
Suh is a Miami Dolphin $114 mil,60 guaranteed

And the Titans promised to be agressive in free agency--which obviously means they'll watch every darn frickin' good player get picked up and end the season with another losing record!!!

C'mon, a 5th round for Brandon Marshall? And the JETS are smart enough to go for that?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on March 08, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
Yo

I would've taken Marshall on the Giants for a 5th, and we don't need receivers.

Tazer
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 08, 2015, 04:10:17 PM
And there goes the top corner.

Byron Maxwell to the Eagles.

Go Titans! Be aggressive in not doing crap!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 08, 2015, 05:40:26 PM
And Frank Gore to the Eagles.

Dammit Titans! Would get off your sorry butts and do something!?

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/update/25098729/report-titans-interested-in-quarterback-mark-sanchez

....Mother****ers!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 08, 2015, 09:58:54 PM
How do you feel about the pats letting Wilfork walk?

It sucks but it makes sense and I saw it coming. His contract called for him to get paid about 8 million dollars this season between salary guarantees and bonuses for a near 9 mil cap hit. He isn't worth that. For the lip service he gets, Wilfork is definitely in decline. He is good to pretty good as opposed to great now. he used to be the guy teams ran away from and the anchor of the D-Line, but against elite O lines he doesn't require double teams to stop him anymore. In fact, if you watch the playoff game between the Ravens and The Patriots in the divisional round? Marshall Yanda had Vince Wilfork on SKATES the whole game, pushed him 2-3 yards off of the ball (FYI if an Olineman moves you a FOOT or two in the run game, he wins). Once I saw that I knew Belichick was going to move on this offseason. He may come back, but I think there are teams out there who will be willing to pay him for what he has done rather than what he will do. Chicago is switching to a 3-4, so I could see him signing there and them drafting Danny Shelton. Or maybe Houston since Romeo Crennel is their D Coordinator and he was in NE the year Wilfork was drafted.

He will absolutely be missed in the locker room though. Real pro's pro with bulletproof character and locker room leadership ability. To lose him and possibly McCourty would be big hits to locker room morale.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 08, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Suh is a Miami Dolphin $114 mil,60 guaranteed

And the Titans promised to be agressive in free agency--which obviously means they'll watch every darn frickin' good player get picked up and end the season with another losing record!!!

C'mon, a 5th round for Brandon Marshall? And the JETS are smart enough to go for that?

Suh is the best DT in the game, but I am not exactly sure why they signed him when they could have just signed their own free agent DT Jared Odrick, who is the 3rd best DT on the market (maybe even 2nd) after Suh and Nick Fairley. Still, that Dolphins D line will be BEASTLY with him and Cameron Wake.  Dion Jordan looks like a steroid using bust thus far, but if he plays to his talent....yikes.

Titans have a ton of cap space but suffer from being losing team in a small market. No one wants to play there. It's why the Raiders have a fuckton of money but don't get top tier FA's even though they have plenty of space they need to spend. Even though own free agents are refusing to play for them. So they end up overpaying over the hill vets looking for their last lucrative contract on their way out of the NFL.

Jets were one of the only teams that had the Cap space to make the trade for Marshall.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 08, 2015, 10:17:14 PM
And Frank Gore to the Eagles.

Dammit Titans! Would get off your sorry butts and do something!?

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/update/25098729/report-titans-interested-in-quarterback-mark-sanchez

....Mother****ers!

Even though he is undoubtedly a woman beater and may be suspended? If I am the Titans I use that cash they have to sign Greg Hardy, and draft Leonard Williams. Nice D Line to send Andrew Luck running for his life. Helps that they are in a TINY media market to hide Greg hardy away.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 09, 2015, 12:49:11 AM
I think with the Raiders it's more because of how horrible the organization is. And I was kind of hoping have Dick Lebeau would help convince some players to come over.

And yeah, that will be intelligent--but we won't do that and instead focus on signing Cary "Wow, another ball right over my head" Williams. And we're going to end up with a bunch of old Steelers.

And the McCourty Bros will not be reunited until Webster trades the Titan's so the Pats since we obviously like to help other teams more than ourselves. I knew when he wanted nine million the Titans wouldn't pony up.

Jullius Thomas looks to be with the Jags. Which will be a fun little experiment of "Did Manning make him or--STOP DROPPING THE BALLS!" :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 02:06:51 PM

That was the Pepsi rookie of the year award, which is meaningless and slanted anyway. Odell Beckham had 91 catches, 1300 plus yards, and 12 td's in only 12 games and 11 starts.


Jesus. That kid is a fucking monster. Once Manning gets Victor Cruz back in the slot? Yikes. If I'm the Giants, I go hard after Shane Vereen from the Patriots.

Looks like I was dead on. Bleacher Report says Vereen agreed to a deal with the Giants. 4 years, a little over 16m.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Hopefully the Pats get rid of Aaron Dobson, and sign Percy Harvin to a cheap one year deal so he can rehabilitate his stock. Be a great fit in the Pats system. Ill take him over Andre Johnson, Harvin has the hands and quickness to fit into the Pats passing attack, but is a home run threat with speed to play on the perimeter and the versatility to play out of the backfield like Vereen used to.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on March 10, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
WTF? Seattle just traded for Jimmy Graham?!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 04:14:15 PM
HOLYYYYYY shit. That's huge, on top of that, Lions just replaced Suh with Haloti Ngata. Whoa. Saints fucked themselves when it came to their salary cap, plus teams have figured out Graham is soft. Wow.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on March 10, 2015, 04:33:36 PM
Eagles and Rams swapped Bradford for Foles.

Jesus Christ, The Eagles are going to have a fucking terrible offense this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Von Doom on March 10, 2015, 05:19:02 PM
WTF? Seattle just traded for Jimmy Graham?!
Yeah, but they lost Unger. I really hope they have a plan for replacing him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2015, 05:20:01 PM
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What in the world is Chip Kelly thinking?!?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on March 10, 2015, 05:28:49 PM
I don't get the craziness that is going on at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on March 10, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
WTF? Seattle just traded for Jimmy Graham?!
Yeah, but they lost Unger. I really hope they have a plan for replacing him.

For the half a season he is usually healthy? I think they'll be okay. Our offensive line is already awful; how much worse can it get?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on March 10, 2015, 05:33:20 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 05:34:57 PM
This FA period has been fucking WILD so far with these trades. Chip Kelly is seriously feeling himself,  considering his personnel decisions. Probably will bite him in the ass
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on March 10, 2015, 05:36:26 PM
The NFC East is a lottery anyway. None of them are actually any good, but every year, one of them miraculously throws together 10 or 11 wins and makes the playoffs. The Eagles have the same 25% chance the other three do.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 05:45:00 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.

I mean yeah, the Saints' salary cap is a mess without a doubt.  Even though Graham had a down year with injuries and other teams figuring out he doesn't play well through contact...he produces at a high level for only 10 mil a season. A WR with similar number makes 2-3 more per year than that. Good luck finding a cheap rookie who can come anywhere near Graham's production with that future first round pick from Seattle, as it will be in the high twenties at best.

Something lost here is the Seahawks salary cap.  Something has to give. Sherman gets 14-15m, Thomas gets 10, Graham 10, Wilson is in line for 17-19, Bennet gets 9, etc. This team is going to get broken up in the near future for sure.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on March 10, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.

I mean yeah, the Saints' salary cap is a mess without a doubt.  Even though Graham had a down year with injuries and other teams figuring out he doesn't play well through contact...he produces at a high level for only 10 mil a season. A WR with similar number makes 2-3 more per year than that. Good luck finding a cheap rookie who can come anywhere near Graham's production with that future first round pick from Seattle, as it will be in the high twenties at best.

Something lost here is the Seahawks salary cap.  Something has to give. Sherman gets 14-15m, Thomas gets 10, Graham 10, Wilson is in line for 17-19, Bennet gets 9, etc. This team is going to get broken up in the near future for sure.

I have no idea what Seattle is doing because every time I turn around, they're tossing money at someone. I don't get it. I'm sure they'll end up in dire straits in a few years, but I don't care. Carroll and Schneider find gems and make winners.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 06:00:12 PM
Next offseason will be rough for Seattle I think.  Sherman, Thomas, Graham, Lynch, Bennet, Chancellor all have top of the line deals, with Wilson & Wagner up next. Shit will hit the fan.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on March 10, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
I really want to hear from Strider. I'm sure he loves Chip Kelly's moves lol.

The NFC East is a lottery anyway. None of them are actually any good, but every year, one of them miraculously throws together 10 or 11 wins and makes the playoffs. The Eagles have the same 25% chance the other three do.

You're retarded.

Next offseason will be rough for Seattle I think.  Sherman, Thomas, Graham, Lynch, Bennet, Chancellor all have top of the line deals, with Wilson & Wagner up next. Shit will hit the fan.

It looks like they're pushing all-in to try to win 1 more this year. Which I completely understand considering they're going to have to pay Wilson a lot next year and have significantly less of a chance to still be a top 3 team in the league. They will def be forced to break up the team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 10, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
I really want to hear from Strider. I'm sure he loves Chip Kelly's moves lol.

The NFC East is a lottery anyway. None of them are actually any good, but every year, one of them miraculously throws together 10 or 11 wins and makes the playoffs. The Eagles have the same 25% chance the other three do.

You're retarded.

Next offseason will be rough for Seattle I think.  Sherman, Thomas, Graham, Lynch, Bennet, Chancellor all have top of the line deals, with Wilson & Wagner up next. Shit will hit the fan.

It looks like they're pushing all-in to try to win 1 more this year. Which I completely understand considering they're going to have to pay Wilson a lot next year and have significantly less of a chance to still be a top 3 team in the league. They will def be forced to break up the team.

Actually Bamf is dead on. With Beckham and a healthy Cruz back in the fold, Giants have a legit chance to take the NFC east crown from the boys. Which would mean the crown rotated between all four teams in four consecutive seasons.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on March 10, 2015, 06:44:30 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.

I mean yeah, the Saints' salary cap is a mess without a doubt.  Even though Graham had a down year with injuries and other teams figuring out he doesn't play well through contact...he produces at a high level for only 10 mil a season. A WR with similar number makes 2-3 more per year than that. Good luck finding a cheap rookie who can come anywhere near Graham's production with that future first round pick from Seattle, as it will be in the high twenties at best.

Something lost here is the Seahawks salary cap.  Something has to give. Sherman gets 14-15m, Thomas gets 10, Graham 10, Wilson is in line for 17-19, Bennet gets 9, etc. This team is going to get broken up in the near future for sure.

All of this on the heels of getting rid of Sproles and our two best O linemen 2 years in a row. Not to mention, the fact that he went to Seattle. If through some miracle the Saints get deep in the playoffs or even to them, there's a decent chance of meeting Seattle.

I agree about the East. It's as hard to predict as the South.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2015, 06:58:40 PM
Colts with Andre Johnson and Gore is not good.

But luckily my team signed Harry Douglas.

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I'm going to be very upset this year, aren't I? :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2015, 07:00:09 PM
Oh, and Jake Locker is not playing football. He should have thought of that before the draft!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
Revis to the Jets for 70 Million.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Average John on March 11, 2015, 12:38:19 AM
In Ozzie we trust.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 11, 2015, 01:59:24 AM
Fuck. Pats secondary just went from being rock solid to being the worst unit on the team most likely.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 11, 2015, 07:37:50 AM
Ndamukong Suh is no longer a Lion.  I am sad, but that will at least reduce flags thrown on the Lions by 800% this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on March 11, 2015, 11:23:43 AM
Can't help it. I like Suh. He made me watch Detroit. What good is a football game if nobody is getting kicked in the ding ding?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 11, 2015, 04:58:59 PM
Well, I do approve of stepping on Aaron Rodgers...
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 11, 2015, 05:11:42 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.

I mean yeah, the Saints' salary cap is a mess without a doubt.  Even though Graham had a down year with injuries and other teams figuring out he doesn't play well through contact...he produces at a high level for only 10 mil a season. A WR with similar number makes 2-3 more per year than that. Good luck finding a cheap rookie who can come anywhere near Graham's production with that future first round pick from Seattle, as it will be in the high twenties at best.

Something lost here is the Seahawks salary cap.  Something has to give. Sherman gets 14-15m, Thomas gets 10, Graham 10, Wilson is in line for 17-19, Bennet gets 9, etc. This team is going to get broken up in the near future for sure.

All of this on the heels of getting rid of Sproles and our two best O linemen 2 years in a row. Not to mention, the fact that he went to Seattle. If through some miracle the Saints get deep in the playoffs or even to them, there's a decent chance of meeting Seattle.

I agree about the East. It's as hard to predict as the South.
You know what is really sad about the Saints' cap trouble? Even with the Graham trade the Saints are STILL 3-4m over the salary cap according to overthecap.com last I checked.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on March 11, 2015, 05:50:56 PM
We released Lofton and Thomas, veterans, but worth something. And....I can't even bring myself to talk about what may go down as one of the worst decisions in Saint's history.

I mean yeah, the Saints' salary cap is a mess without a doubt.  Even though Graham had a down year with injuries and other teams figuring out he doesn't play well through contact...he produces at a high level for only 10 mil a season. A WR with similar number makes 2-3 more per year than that. Good luck finding a cheap rookie who can come anywhere near Graham's production with that future first round pick from Seattle, as it will be in the high twenties at best.

Something lost here is the Seahawks salary cap.  Something has to give. Sherman gets 14-15m, Thomas gets 10, Graham 10, Wilson is in line for 17-19, Bennet gets 9, etc. This team is going to get broken up in the near future for sure.

All of this on the heels of getting rid of Sproles and our two best O linemen 2 years in a row. Not to mention, the fact that he went to Seattle. If through some miracle the Saints get deep in the playoffs or even to them, there's a decent chance of meeting Seattle.

I agree about the East. It's as hard to predict as the South.
You know what is really sad about the Saints' cap trouble? Even with the Graham trade the Saints are STILL 3-4m over the salary cap according to overthecap.com last I checked.

Yeah, this has been coming somewhat. It's why I've always felt Goodell boned the Saints even harder than people realize. That was our last best chance at winning it all. Still, Jimmy is a massive local favorite, second only to Brees. Irreplaceable. Nobody this side of Gronk can present match up issues like Jimmy. All this while they keep shoving Ingram down our throats while kicking 'ol reliable Pierre Thomas to the curb. Not to mention losing maybe the third or fourth favorite guy last year with Sproles.

Anyway, this is already the least hyped I've ever been for a season.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 12, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
1.2 million in cap space for the Saints as of today. So there is that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 12, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
Saints traded G Grubb and are looking to trade Kenny Stills.

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Well, I feel better now. Thanks lazy. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 12, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
And the football gods wait for me to get cocky.

Browner to Saints for three years...


WTF Titans! You have the most salary cap--since every other team has go their players--and you--

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I swear, if we have a losing record by midseason--I'm a Pats fan. Screw it! They have great players, great scheme--hell, they seemingly cheat because they're bored with how easy it is for them! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 12, 2015, 03:33:35 PM
You don't want Browner. The Pats having Revis and McCourty allowed the Pats to disguise Browner's weaknesses. And he still committed 19 penalties in like 9 games. Pats let hin walk specifically because Revis wasn't coming back.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 12, 2015, 03:55:44 PM
Well, who's your CBs now?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: fatnlazy on March 12, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
I'm waiting for brees to go to Tampa.  :'(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 13, 2015, 12:26:32 PM
Titans sign Derrick Morgan and Orakpo

And Fasano, Succup, and Klug.


Four out of five funny names! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on March 13, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
Glad to see the cowboys sign McFadden. Can't see them signing him AND trading for Peterson.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 13, 2015, 01:57:01 PM
Kenny Stills traded to the Dolphins for a third and some guy.

Saints get C.J. Spiller.

Okay...I don't get that at all, but whatever.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on March 24, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Kenny Stills traded to the Dolphins for a third and some guy.

Saints get C.J. Spiller.

Okay...I don't get that at all, but whatever.

That guy was Danell Ellerbe, bit overpaid LB but he can play when used correctly. I think the Saints gave him a new deal which was also a pay cut. Trading Stills must have hurt, he will be an upgrade over Mike Wallace. May not be as fast in terms of pure speed, but Stills is younger, runs a 4.3 and can run a full route tree which Wallace couldn't. Don't really understand why the Saints just gave him away, but this draft is deep at WR so they will probably draft one or two to go with Brandin Cooks. They'll be really cheap at the position for a while with rookie salaries while they try to figure out their cap mess. Spiller should be a good addition for the Saints, IF he can stay healthy (good luck with that). They'll use him in the Darren Sproles mold, a lot of good underneath speed and versatility with him and Cooks on the field simultaneously. The Saints need WR's though, and a TE.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on April 02, 2015, 10:42:30 PM
Well, who's your CBs now?

Never saw this. Basically from what I can gather the Pats are utterly fucked in the secondary. We were middling even when we had Talib. Right now it looks like Malcolm Butler and Alfonso Dennard will start on the outside, with Logan Ryan and Kyle Arrington in the slot. Signed Bradley Fletcher and someone else I can't remember in free agency. Barring a HUGE leap from Butler (I like him, good balls skills. Is he a number one from what I saw? No. But he is solid) and Dennard and Ryan turning things around after underwhelming seasons in 14, the Pats secondary will play soft zone and get it's shit pushed in when it comes to giving up big plays. Nothing there in free agency, and all the CB's with 1st round grades will be gone by the time the Pats pick at 32. I think the Pats go with a soft zone and try hope Dominque Easley plays better and stays healthy a year put from ACL surgery, and with him and Jabaal Sheard try to mount a decent pass rush. I think the Pats trade their one this year and look longterm in the draft. Le sigh
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on April 15, 2015, 11:00:28 AM
So life in prison without the possibility of parole for Aaron Hernandez. Wow. 23 years old with a 40 million dollar contract to play football...and commit several murders and go to prison for the rest of your natural life. What the FUCK.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: DarthAlani on April 16, 2015, 12:25:22 AM
Some people are fucktards.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 20, 2015, 02:36:05 AM
Yes! Tim Tebow to sign with the Eagles! Oh happy days!! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on April 20, 2015, 07:52:14 AM
I'm still waiting on Propeus to see his team trade away the #2 pick for a 35 year old above-average quarterback.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 20, 2015, 08:11:29 AM
No...we're going to draft the produced by a system not accurate QB.  :)

Yeah, I don't want Rivers. I either want them to trade or get a bunch of picks or, if they have to draft, pick Williams.

But those idiots never do what I want, so they'll probably just muck it up like usual. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on April 20, 2015, 08:21:01 AM
No...we're going to draft the produced by a system not accurate QB.  :)

Yeah, I don't want Rivers. I either want them to trade or get a bunch of picks or, if they have to draft, pick Williams.

But those idiots never do what I want, so they'll probably just muck it up like usual. :)

Well if you end up with Mariota, then at least that means Tampa took Jamarcus Russell 2.0 before you could.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on April 20, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
He's not Jamarcus Russell at ALL. Winston can play. May force things given the O line situation in Tampa, but he is the real deal. The mental ability to make his reads and the QB intangibles are all there for Winston. Will he keep his nose clean off the field? No fucking clue. I like him as a prospect on the field for sure.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 20, 2015, 11:36:28 AM
No...we're going to draft the produced by a system not accurate QB.  :)

Yeah, I don't want Rivers. I either want them to trade or get a bunch of picks or, if they have to draft, pick Williams.

But those idiots never do what I want, so they'll probably just muck it up like usual. :)

Well if you end up with Mariota, then at least that means Tampa took Jamarcus Russell 2.0 before you could.

Hey, I want to give Mettenburger another year. I thought he did good for a guy playing behind a horrible, beat up offensive line and coming off an ACL injury.

And I feel better about Winston than Mariota...but that last year wasn't good with all the interceptions. And yeah, they came back--but they shouldn't have been down against the majority of those teams!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on April 20, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
Yes! Tim Tebow to sign with the Eagles! Oh happy days!! :)
I'm still waiting on Propeus to see his team trade away the #2 pick for a 35 year old above-average quarterback.
Trading a #2 for a QB that is on the downside of his career and maybe has 4-5 years AT BEST is just stupid. But it is the Titans. Only way I make the trade is if I get the Rivers and the Chargers #1 pick which is #17

Nothing will come of it. If Nick Foles wasn't accurate enough for Chip Kelly, Tebow sure as hell won't be. IF he makes the team he is only in there for gadget/read option plays if at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 28, 2015, 02:40:52 AM
news around the nfl.


Well, apparently the Titans will be taking Mariota unless they get a good deal. C'mon, Jets!
Kinda hoping for them to wise up and draft Williams, but when the hell has the Titans ever done what I wanted...like win games.

Tom Brady had better things to do than go to the White House. Like buying shoes.

Antonio Brown wants more money or he'll do to the Steelers front office what he does to Cleveland punters

The Titans signed Hakeem Nicks. So he's finally a Titan after me wanting to draft him nine years ago. Dreams do come true.

Oh, and apparently even if you're the president, if you make a joke or comment on the Pats being cheaters, you're a bad person. I'll have to remember that the next time I call the Pats cheaters. Yep, pointing out how the Pats bend the rules till they break, video tape teams, and what not. I will be sure from now on not to call the Pats Cheaters. Nope. I'm a horrible person if I tell the truth about liars. :)

Washington is picking up RGIII's fifth year option. Well, he's only been injury prone, brand oriented, and his teammates don't like him (I'm talking The Long Yard offensive line letting the defense kill him type not like) but...eh, why not?

Mark Sanchez is throwing a hissy fit about Tebow with the Eagles. How about stop throwing interceptions first?

The Cleveland Browns are looking up to find ways to move up in the draft so they can find ways to fail at QB. Seriously, just watch, Johnny Manziel get cut, join a team and pull a Garcia and do a great job. Because The Browns. God's joke to us all.

The Jaguars still suck and Blake Bortles is tall.

The Titans also suck and their GM needs to brush his darn teeth. At least I'm fair. :)


Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on April 28, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
news around the nfl.


Well, apparently the Titans will be taking Mariota unless they get a good deal. C'mon, Jets!
Kinda hoping for them to wise up and draft Williams, but when the hell has the Titans ever done what I wanted...like win games.

Tom Brady had better things to do than go to the White House. Like buying shoes.

Antonio Brown wants more money or he'll do to the Steelers front office what he does to Cleveland punters

The Titans signed Hakeem Nicks. So he's finally a Titan after me wanting to draft him nine years ago. Dreams do come true.

Oh, and apparently even if you're the president, if you make a joke or comment on the Pats being cheaters, you're a bad person. I'll have to remember that the next time I call the Pats cheaters. Yep, pointing out how the Pats bend the rules till they break, video tape teams, and what not. I will be sure from now on not to call the Pats Cheaters. Nope. I'm a horrible person if I tell the truth about liars. :)

Washington is picking up RGIII's fifth year option. Well, he's only been injury prone, brand oriented, and his teammates don't like him (I'm talking The Long Yard offensive line letting the defense kill him type not like) but...eh, why not?

Mark Sanchez is throwing a hissy fit about Tebow with the Eagles. How about stop throwing interceptions first?

The Cleveland Browns are looking up to find ways to move up in the draft so they can find ways to fail at QB. Seriously, just watch, Johnny Manziel get cut, join a team and pull a Garcia and do a great job. Because The Browns. God's joke to us all.

The Jaguars still suck and Blake Bortles is tall.

The Titans also suck and their GM needs to brush his darn teeth. At least I'm fair. :)




I'd take Mariota, he has all the physical tools, and he is coachable. I'm of the mindset that he would definitely develop and succeed in the old NFL where owners weren't so quick to fire coaches. In today's league where winning is everything? I dunno, because I am absolutely 100% certain Mariota needs to carry a clipboard for a year at LEAST. Old school approach with this kid can work. Just don't think Titans nation will allow for it. But then again Titans fans aren't the smartest bunch when. I mean, there are Titans fans who actually believe Manziel isn't a total bust (he absolutely is, by the way).


Fuck if I know, maybe Brady is a republican. As long as he isn't a criminal or some batshit anti government loon, I couldn't give a shit about his political leanings. Just win, baby.

Antonio Brown absolutely deserves more money. If I had to choose 2 WRs out of all that's available in the NFL, I'd take Dez Bryant and him.

Hakeem Nicks is shit now. Evidently his talent had an early expiration date. Oh well.

Oh look, PTF whining about overblown scandals again, when he never whines about other scandals unless I call him out for it. Must be deja vu.

RG3 will never be a successful starter for the Redskins. Even if he does turn his career around,  he has lost that locker room. He'd literally have to carry all of them out of a burning building to fix things. The Skins picking up his option is them having another year to try to rehab his image and on field play to recoup something in an eventual trade rather than just let him walk away. Probably won't work. Divide one third of blame onto the management, Gruden, and RG3. RG3 is a me first diva who alienated his teammates. Management enabled RG3's diva attitude and fanned its flames and let him run Mike Shanahan out of town when Shanahan was one guy who knew how to utilize RG3's strengths at the NFL level. Then management turned around and hired Gruden. Gruden who's offensive system doesn't fit RG3's strengths AT ALL. In fact, Gruden's system actually needs RG3 to be effective in the areas of his game that are his WEAKNESSES. Rather than change his system to suit his players strengths, Gruden tried to put a square peg in a round hole in wants to get rid of it. Case in point why Bill Belichick is the best coach in football by a mile. His "system" people keep talking about is making it fit the personnel he has, not the other way around.

I needed to rant.


Mark Sanchez is bitchmade. Another QB no lockerroom would follow like RG3, but he is also marginally talented. Get used to being a clipboard carrier. Not a bad gig, few mil a year to dress and watch games and play scout team. There are worse jobs

Browns should have just drafted Teddy Bridgewater like I said. Or Carr.

Jags are young, Bortles has good potential. Nice WR group. Allen Robinson (who I went on and on about before the draft last year hoping the Pats would take him) can PLAY.

The Titans have been, cursed for barring Mcnair from the training facility. They did him wrong and have suffered ever since. Oh well.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 28, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
I just don't see how Mariota fits The Titans system. And I still say Manziel can bounce back. Especially if he gets cut by the Browns (the worst football franchise today) and goes to another team and has his personal demons in check. And I don't bring up Clowney to you, do I? :)

And I like Mettenburger. I'd give a healthy Mett a chance. I'm hoping the Titans draft WIlliams. Their game against the Steelers, the Steelers came back because they just rammed the ball down the Titans throat. And with Dick LeBeau and their pick ups on defense they look like they could be really good.

No it's disrespectful to the president. Look, if Dubya wanted to see me for some reason, even though I think he's top three worst presidents ever--I'd still go because of the title he held.

Yeah, I agree. I put Brown ahead of Dez. Runs great routes and makes impossible catches. Returns kicks...and tries to kill punters. Oh, how I wished he'd do that to the annoying Colts punter...

Well, it doesn't hurt to give him a chance.

What other scandals? You said other teams cheat and probably run off to cry on your Tom Brady decorated bed. And like I said before--at least when other teams are caught they admit it. The Pats never do own up to it. Hell, you be grateful that Carroll pulled the ultimate bonehead call in Superbowl history or we'd be hearing a lot more...but when you win problems go away.

I'll agree with that. RGIII needs to understand  he's best in a spread offense like his rookie season. But yeah, he's done a lot of damage, but like I said winning makes problems go away. I doubt they'll do that this year, but they do seem to have a GM who knows what he's doing. So there's hope for Washington.

The thing is I don't think he's that good of a back-up. I mean, if he turns the ball over once. Just once. He crumbles. And the turnovers keep happening. I mean, yeah, he can give you a rare game where he doesn't turn the ball over--but rare doesn't work when you have so many games you need to win.

Teddy Bridgewater did better than I thought he would. Carr...I don't know. I watched a few games of his and he's good, but I hate how his WRs always had to come back for the ball. And, like Manziel...I just don't think the franchise will damage him. Just check out the off season. The Raiders had the most money and they didn't take advantage of it--or players just didn't want to play there.

I just don't see it with Bortlies. Especially where he was taken. I watched about five Jaguar games...so that's more than their fanbase and I wasn't impressed by him.

Hey, I admit the Titans were horrible for what they did to McNair. It's one reason I had trouble really hating the Ravens when they had McNair. And trust me, I despise the Ravens.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Dutchman on April 28, 2015, 07:04:34 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/nfl-gives-its-tax-exempt-status-commissioner-says-n349756

big news
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 30, 2015, 05:21:25 PM
Soon it will be time for the draft and I hope the Titans are smart like me.

For example, I bought hundreds of issues of IDW TMNT 44--the issue where Donatello dies. In a few years, it'll be worth hundreds of dollars! FLAWLESS VICTORY :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 06, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2455865-deflategate-investigation-ted-wells-report-released-robert-kraft-comments

I'd comment, but I wouldn't want to be called a whiner or have it pointed out I never focus on any of the other conspiracies in the NFL . :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on May 06, 2015, 03:25:28 PM
Those text make Tom look really guilty.  I want suspension dammit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 06, 2015, 08:37:45 PM
I don't know if there was anything in the texts that made Tom look guilty at all, but I am not happy about this at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Clock on May 06, 2015, 08:44:20 PM
Probably
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Tom Brady should be absolved simply because these morons are continuing the "____-gate" bullshit.

We need to start making examples of people, and we'll start with everybody adding "-gate" to shit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 06, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
Yeah its retarded. But I don't get why people point at those texts and say Brady is fucked/guilty.  I read nothing to suggest that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 08, 2015, 05:51:27 PM
Aaaand Dante Fowler is out for the season with a torn acl in minicamp after being a Jag for a WEEK.  Christ.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 09, 2015, 12:06:01 AM
Yeah, that stinks for him. Just shows the risk you take and how injuries can happen.

And as for Tom Brady, it's not the deflating as much as lying to the NFL. That's tarnishing the brand. Plus he refused to turn over his texts. He probably should get suspended four games...but I'm sure he'll just get a fine. 


Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on May 11, 2015, 06:02:15 PM
Well, Brady got 4 games' suspension.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 11, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
Not just that. The Pats are fined a million dollars and they lose next years first round pick and 2017 fourth round pick!

Didn't think Goodell had it in him to lay the hammer down on the almighty Pats! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on May 11, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
Not really sure why the pat got punished too on this since they said neither the coach or owner were involved.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 11, 2015, 10:28:21 PM
No cooperating with the investigation--and probably for how snotty they were being the last few days. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 11, 2015, 11:20:24 PM
Didn't they all but abstain from punishing the guy caught on video beating his wife and the guy who was abusing his small child?

Clearly they learned their lesson and are going to teach this ball deflater a lesson! No funny business!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 12, 2015, 12:26:45 AM
They fine the team 1 million when they are worth 1.5 billion.  That oughta learn em!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on May 12, 2015, 09:06:03 AM
Didn't they all but abstain from punishing the guy caught on video beating his wife and the guy who was abusing his small child?

Clearly they learned their lesson and are going to teach this ball deflater a lesson! No funny business!

No Ray Rice got suspended and release from his team and no one will touch him (the wife beater).  And Adrian Peterson was gone a whole season as well.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Goodell went completely overboard because he didn't want to appear to be in cahooots with Kraft. 4 games is definitely way overboard for an infraction that is relatively minor. The 1st round pick is also way overboard as well. But as long as the Pats win despite everything, you'll always have fans of other teams that don't (case in point PTF) who want to see them fall.

Whatever.

I love how hyprocrites jump on the train to call Brady a cheater when PED's are FAR FAR worse than having a football slightly below PSI. Do we ask people to fine and take draft picks from the Seahawks or call them cheaters for the multiple PED suspensions they have had? Nope.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 12, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Ryan Clark brought up how the Pats have way less fumbles than any other team.

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007

I'm pretty sure that deflating balls (which the report indicates has been going on for a long time) would be a good explanation.

And no. The punishment is not overboard. Your team cheated with Spygate and got off easy. They got caught cheating again, did not cooperate with the investigation and were arrogant and defiant. Your team was already on zero tolerance.

Oh, we're going the strawman route, huh? C'mon, you can do better! Be Belicheck! Not a Brady! :)

Just take the punishment, admit your team was wrong, and no one will care after a few years because the Pats will probably continue winning after this.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
It absolutely was. The report had no concrete evidence and messing with balls is a decidely minor infraction, so suspending Brady for anything more than a game or two is forcing it. Plus the report exonerated Belichick and the organization as a whole, so why fine the club and take draft picks? Do teams get fined or get draft picks taken for PED infractions? Nope. Goodell went overboard for people like you (yes you PTF, i'd generally refer to them as idiots, but I like you so I will refrain from calling you such) who think the Pats got off light for Spygate (they didn't) and think he is too buddy buddy with Kraft.

But again, whatever. Keep whining if you'd like. To some extent it's justified, but not anywhere near as much as you'd want it to be, sweetheart.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Not BAMF on May 12, 2015, 03:48:09 PM
The sad thing is that I actually 100% agree with SupePrime on all the POINTS that he's making, and I have been on the same page as him in other places. But he's being such a crybaby asshat about them here that I am genuinely wanting to change my mind.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 03:51:02 PM
I'm not being a crybaby at all. When it comes to football Im always objective and call it like I see it. Too bad the old board is gone, but my track record should speak for itself. I'm a Pats fan, but I still look at things objectively.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: altoon on May 12, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
I fine with the Brady suspension right amount of time and more than likely it gonna get cut down in appeals by one or two games.  But I did find the Pat being punished odd and but think is more to prove that he can bring the hammer down after all the stuff from last year than having to do with spygate imo.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 12, 2015, 04:41:24 PM
If there's one thing I hates more than a cheater--it's someone who modifies his post! MAKE THE ORIGINAL TEXT AVAILABLE!!! :)

Oh, and as for no evidence...

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ted-wells-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-deflategate-051215

And Tom Brady is an employee of the New England Patriots. They are responsible for what he does. They are his overseers. Plus they've had a history of cheating. Plus the attitudes of Kraft and Brady were just arrogant and disrespectful. Plus you had Tom Brady take the stage and lie.

And I do think the Pats got off light. I don't know if anyone else watches First Take, but Ryan Clark was talking about how Polamalu struggled with the Pats and told him personally that no matter what he did, they were a step ahead of him and prepared. This is Troy Polamalu. I've seen this man time snap counts and leap over offensive lines to sack the QB sucessfully multiple times! Someone with that talent saying he can't do anything to against the Pats show how those videos helped.

Four games suspension is fair. Brady had the balls tampered with. The Pats, even if they didn't know, should be on top of their operations. They already had a major incident and several others. They had to pay the price. But hey, if The Falcons put in more noise again, I'd have no problem with them getting the same draft punishment.

Just take your medicine. The Titans have been suffering karmatic justice for what they did to McNair. Your team will bounce back, win again, and this will be a distant memory if the Pats just accept it and go from here.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
I fine with the Brady suspension right amount of time and more than likely it gonna get cut down in appeals by one or two games.  But I did find the Pat being punished odd and but think is more to prove that he can bring the hammer down after all the stuff from last year than having to do with spygate imo.

That's exactly what it is,  despite PTF's claims to the contrary. Goodell can't take another big hit to his credibility,  so he is overreaching instead of giving a fair punishment.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 12, 2015, 05:07:17 PM
What are you talking about? I wanted him gone since Bounty Gate!!  He's horrible at his job, but he got this one right.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 06:28:32 PM
He didn't,  but that's ok.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 12, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
Yes he did, and that's the truth! :)



Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 12, 2015, 10:29:52 PM
Right. Your logic is flawed as hell, and largely stems from your Bountygate issues, which this had nothing to do, with. Its insane penalties for a minor infraction.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 12, 2015, 11:03:39 PM
Right. Your logic is flawed as hell, and largely stems from your Bountygate issues, which this had nothing to do, with. Its insane penalties for a minor infraction.

You mean Spygate.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 13, 2015, 12:16:33 AM
You're the one who asked me not to edit my text.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 13, 2015, 07:51:51 AM
Just like Wells, I just wanted the information I asked for! You didn't have to give me your entire phone!! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 18, 2015, 10:10:41 PM
Well, another 49er has retired. Has their ever been an owner ship that has driven their doing pretty good franchise to the ground this fast?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 19, 2015, 03:16:48 PM
http://ten.247sports.com/Bolt/Tennessee-Titans-have-fence-mending-to-do-in-wake-of-ticket-mess-37349522

Wow. We suck so bad that we actually made it easy for the other team's fans to outnumber the Titan fans.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 21, 2015, 02:48:16 PM
Didn't they all but abstain from punishing the guy caught on video beating his wife and the guy who was abusing his small child?

Clearly they learned their lesson and are going to teach this ball deflater a lesson! No funny business!

No Ray Rice got suspended and release from his team and no one will touch him (the wife beater).  And Adrian Peterson was gone a whole season as well.

Ray Rice is reinstated by the NFL, but hasn't been picked up yet.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/21/ray-rice-domestic-violence-charges-dismissed-janay-elevator-beating/

That $125 fine probably showed him the light, though.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on May 21, 2015, 05:06:41 PM
Ray Rice's NFL career is most likely over. Even though what Greg Hardy did is far worse, he is still in the league because there is no video of it. That video effectively ended Rice's career. That and the fact that he declined enough where signing him isn't worth the heat a team would take for doing so. Greg Hardy is 2nd best 4-3 DE in football after Robert Quinn. If anything his off the field issues make him even MORE attractive to sign because you can sign an elite player at a high value position for far less than what he is worth solely based on his on field ability and production.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 29, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Brady's suspension is upheld. His reputation is forever destroyed...like his cellphone. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on July 29, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
I have already discussed how this entire deflate gate stuff is overblown garbage. I already demolished your position already, take it as you will.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 29, 2015, 07:21:04 PM
You mean when you constantly called me a whiner and ignored any valid facts I brought up? :)

And what in that sentence did I lie about? He is suspended four games. He destroyed his cellphone. Well, I guess that's not all the way accurate...he had his assistant destroy his cellphone.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk/News
Post by: Prime on July 29, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
No. When I more or less told you that you were falling for Roger Goodell's okey doke to salvage his crumbling credibility, by completely fucking Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. Because they are one of the most prominent and hated teams in the NFL, so no one would care if he went FAR beyond the pale in punishing them for an infraction that every other franchise would only get fined for and nothing else.

I bet you thought Bountygate and the complete skullfucking of the Saints that season was fair and above board too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 30, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
The reason your team is hated is because of how arrogant the organization is and how their fans are annoying the rest of us to death. They cheat. Yes, every team cheats, but we're talking going 55 in 50MPH zone with most. Your team speeds up to 125 and does not break for the children's crossing!

Your team has a heavy history of cheating. Tom Brady did not cooperate with the investigation. And since he destroyed his cellphone and every bit of data he could, it's a very good indication that he knew. But mostly he did not cooperate and has shown disrespect. That lead to an increase in the suspension because it probably would have been two.

All anyone, myself included, want is just for Brady or someone from the Pats to show some class, a shred of dignity and say, "We cheated, we got caught, we're sorry." Look at all the other teams that did. The Falcons owned up to it, The Browns owned up to what they did. Your team--no.

And I was on record thinking that Goodell didn't handle bounty gate right and should have been fired because he sabotaged the Saints entire season. I mean, yeah, there were bounties (Ask Favre or Warner) but the investigation was poorly done, rushed, and innocent people were punished.

The Wells Report was actually well done. Hell, if anything it was easy on your team. Practically set up where only the bear miniumum was required and all your team had to do was--well, not what they did. :)

Your team's history and the refusal to cooperate is what lead to the four game suspension. Maybe not being a smug prick would have helped out some.

And if you think I'm hard on your team, my entire family is Steeler fans. My friends are Colt fans (some Denver defactors) You should hear what they have to say.

And what do you want Goodell to do? He left your team off easy all the other gates. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on July 30, 2015, 02:17:20 PM
Actually, the Patriots don't have a heavy history of cheating at all. People like yourself, who buy the narratives, or are searching for a reason why the Pats win (other than the best modern era coach being paired with the best modern era QB) and your team does not.

http://yourteamcheats.com/NE


Educate yourself. Then try to debate this subject seriously with me. Read the other teams too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 30, 2015, 05:42:07 PM
Wow. What a fair and totally unbiased website. I never knew that the Pats being so great brought the ratings of all the other NFL teams down! I guess that explains why I only watched one single game last year. It all makes sense!

And look, all the biggest accusers of the Pats and victims are really the biggest cheaters!

God only knows the damage Jeff Blake with a deflated ball reaked on the NFL. I mean, way worse than poor innocent, cellphone destroying Tom Brady...

Seriously, everyone check out this site! It's like if Donald Trump was a Pats fan and went insane! :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on July 30, 2015, 07:01:02 PM
Between that and all the info you can glean from anywhere else, its become fairly clear you go off what you think you know, PTF.

But unfortunately, those facts also prove you don't know shit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 30, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
Hey, everyone check out the Colts! I'll summarize Luckgate "Grrr they played horrible--oh, and they said the Pats cheated! THEY ARE THE CHEATERS!"

Yes, Bleach report, ProFootball, The NFL Network Total Access, Yahoo sports, Fox sports, First Take and various ESPN shows...all garbage! I should go by this website that says the Raiders are but mere average cheaters.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on July 30, 2015, 11:33:09 PM
None of that distracts from you dodging the facts of the Spygate or Deflategate scandals. All your positions are based on emotion (jealousy of the Patriots consistent excellence juxtaposed against the Titans consistent ineptitude, perhaps?). Both scandals were wildly overblown, and Goodell's excessive punishments were simply him pandering to jealous owners and ignorant NFL fans.

But hey, maybe the Titans ownership will learn something from this, like not stabbing your Star QB in the back when it would otherwise convenient to do so.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 31, 2015, 01:28:50 AM
Actually, Bellicheck threw Brady under the bus when this first broke out and Kraft left Brady on his own and sided with the NFL...well, before going back the last few days.

And you can go ahead and take slams at my team, I mock them constantly, admitted they got what they deserved for what they did to McNair with the Ravens beating out brains in more often than not. Heck, we even sold tickets to the opposing team's fans. We currently stink. I even did a spit take when they drafted Jake "ICU's Number one patient" Locker. But there's always hope in the future. :)

Now let me ask you a question, Did Tom Brady comply with the investigation  involving deflate gate to an acceptable level? Yes or no will do.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on July 31, 2015, 11:09:55 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on July 31, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
Well expected answer.  Honestly if Brady had taken a little responsibility for what transpired this would have blown over months ago and been forgot (expcept for ppl wanting to get a rise out of Pat fans). Probably a two game suspension reduce to 1 or none.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 11, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
Wow. Feel sorry for Geno Smith.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2545232-somehow-the-new-york-jets-have-found-a-way-to-get-even-more-jetsian

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on August 14, 2015, 04:49:20 PM
so word is Tom Brady and Gisele are donzo, hopefully Gisele hits up Tinder of OK Cupid pronto
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: BigJayStudd on August 14, 2015, 04:54:49 PM
so word is Tom Brady and Gisele are donzo, hopefully Gisele hits up Tinder of OK Cupid pronto

(http://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on August 15, 2015, 12:48:55 AM
Gisele really isn't even all that hot. She's got no meat on her bones.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 05, 2015, 01:06:35 PM
So The Eagles trade Barkley to the Cardinals and cut Tebow. That means they will be relying on Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez.

Chip Kelly is playing a very dangerous game!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 05, 2015, 01:36:20 PM
So The Eagles trade Barkley to the Cardinals and cut Tebow. That means they will be relying on Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez.

Chip Kelly is playing a very dangerous game!

Mid-season you can pick up virtually any out-of-work player in the league and he'll be an upgrade to Tebow or Barkley.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 05, 2015, 01:59:28 PM
Wow i thought they made the trade to make room for Tebow
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 10, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
I wish both teams could lose this game
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on September 13, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
Danny I had the bills as a wild card team but I never thought they'd be dominating the Colts like this. I have the Colts going to the afc championship game
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 13, 2015, 02:59:38 PM
It's Rex Ryan with the most toys he has ever had to play with on defense ever. Makes sense. Colts did the equivalent of putting shiny rims on 91 Honda Accord when they added a whole bunch of receivers and did nothing to bolster their shit offensive line and shit defense.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 13, 2015, 03:13:49 PM
49er - 28
Cowboys - 17

Dolphins - 33
Patriots - 20

Vikings - 34
Rams - 6


2014 would like to remind you that Week 1 can oftentimes not mean a thing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: BigJayStudd on September 13, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
Kelce didn't get hurt. He scored to two TD's the voluntarily came out of the game so as not to make Supeprime look so bad
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 13, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
Kelce didn't get hurt. He scored to two TD's the voluntarily came out of the game so as not to make Supeprime look so bad

95 yds and 2 TDs.

But according to Prime, everything is going to plan. Stewart has 50 yards, you know.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on September 13, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Lmao.

I felt like had you added one of your 8 qbs the deal would've been perfect for both. But your team is going to be dangerous if it can stay healthy. But right now BAMF is the guy to beat imo.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 13, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
Lmao.

I felt like had you added one of your 8 qbs the deal would've been perfect for both. But your team is going to be dangerous if it can stay healthy. But right now BAMF is the guy to beat imo.

Really? I'm in a close one this week (Projections wise). I wish I had remembered I had drafted 2 defenses... I totally would have started NYJ over NE if I remembered to check that, and that would be helping. I think my team is okay, but I don't think it's a juggernaut or anything.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 13, 2015, 03:56:25 PM
Seattle with an 18 point 4th quarter to take a 31-24 lead in St Louis.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: WhiteDouchebagMale on September 13, 2015, 04:01:23 PM
Yeah that decision or lack of one might cost you this week. I would've started Tate over Yeldon too. But once Gurly gets healthy it'll be a difficult line-up to face. Don't think you are a juggernaut either but I think you two will be my biggest competition.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 13, 2015, 04:05:25 PM
God damn it, the Rams tied it with 59 seconds. What the hell, defense?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 13, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
Jimmy Smith!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 13, 2015, 06:08:23 PM
Mariota>>>>>>>>>Winston.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 13, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
About those picks of the Ravens to win the AFC...
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on September 13, 2015, 11:54:15 PM
Uphill fight without Suggs. The offense will improve as the year progresses, I just hope it's in time.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 14, 2015, 12:07:24 AM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 14, 2015, 12:46:29 AM
Kelce didn't get hurt. He scored to two TD's the voluntarily came out of the game so as not to make Supeprime look so bad

95 yds and 2 TDs.

But according to Prime, everything is going to plan. Stewart has 50 yards, you know.

It was Houston,  one of the worst teams against TE's because their safeties suck and their LBS can't cover.

Calm the fuck down.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 14, 2015, 01:09:10 AM
But they got JJ Watts the greatest to ever play the game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 14, 2015, 02:58:14 AM
Titans! Leading the AFC South! WHOOOOHHOOOO!!!

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 16, 2015, 06:56:32 AM
Titans! Leading the AFC South! WHOOOOHHOOOO!!!

Enjoy it while it lasts to week 3 or 4.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 16, 2015, 09:32:09 AM
That sounds like the talk of a stinking Colts fan or a pathetic Jacksonville jobber fan--or a Packer fan. Seems smug enough. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 17, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
Andy Reid...What a horrible job coaching. I mean...he calls a timeout to give Manning time to go over plan and tie the game, doesn't kneel down, stupid passes in the endzone, doesn't challenge, doesn't use his star player--no wonder people in Philly go tired of him. Sheesh!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 18, 2015, 05:21:39 AM
That sounds like the talk of a stinking Colts fan or a pathetic Jacksonville jobber fan--or a Packer fan. Seems smug enough. :)

Not really, defenses are going to adjust and key on Mariota in that zone read mesh, makes it legal to blast the shit out of him even if he didn't keep the ball. Probably not ready for prostyle yet
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 18, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
As the board's only Lions fan, i can say that this season looks like every other. They come off strong in thr first half, then in the second everything falls apart.

At least the scores they rack up arent entirely made by field goals like they used to be.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 19, 2015, 01:47:09 AM
That sounds like the talk of a stinking Colts fan or a pathetic Jacksonville jobber fan--or a Packer fan. Seems smug enough. :)

Not really, defenses are going to adjust and key on Mariota in that zone read mesh, makes it legal to blast the shit out of him even if he didn't keep the ball. Probably not ready for prostyle yet

WTF? He hardly did any of that. He was throwing TDs in shotgun or undercenter you fools! Yes, fools I say! Ignorant fools who somehow lack the ability to access the mainstream Tennessee Titan football franchise! FOOLS!

And about the Lions...I just don't think Stafford is ever going to win it for you guys. He's like a Jay Cutler who never really gets called out for being Jay Cutler. I mean, he's a good leader but he throws way too many picks and--sometimes his football mechanics fall down like he suddenly has weights attached to his legs.

But to be fair, you guys got screwed in Dallas in the playoffs. Big time. Heck, even taking away the flag--Dez running out on the field without a helmet is a fifteen yard penalty itself.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 20, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
No! The world is ending! It's the end! Whoa is me!

Can't wait for McCourty to come back because no way in hell two long touchdowns like happen with him on the field. But at least my team is useful in that they make stars out of struggling players. Helped out Tony Romo last year and Manziel this one. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 20, 2015, 08:43:37 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddammit really
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 20, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
Sorry about your team. Hate seeing anyone get hurt. Well, save for maybe those two back-up corner twits who let Manziel bomb them for two scores--but I'm still in angry fan mode so in a day I'll probably not feel like that. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 21, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
Has anyone seen a Miami Dolphins game? Because they let Blake Bortles light them up and they barely got past Washington.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 21, 2015, 11:11:19 AM
When the full schedule came out, I had Seattle at 0-2 en route to an 11-5 or 12-4 season (11-5 was with Seattle losing BOTH games to Arizona, which I think is unlikely, but...), so I'm not panicking. I expected them to lose at STL and at GB. but boy...they haven't looked good doing it, either.


And now Jimmy Graham might be getting pissy, a la Percy Harvin last year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 21, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
Well, yeah, the guy--well, let's just say if a big hit is coming his way and he sees it--he'll go back a few yards.

Huh. Okay, done some research, looks like Suh is going away from defensive play calls and freelancing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: pittfox on September 21, 2015, 06:05:47 PM
Has anyone seen a Miami Dolphins game? Because they let Blake Bortles light them up and they barely got past Washington.

Fuck man that was a rough game. We have a long way to go if we are losing to the Fucking Jags. Our Defense doesn't seem any better than last year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 22, 2015, 07:52:00 PM
The JAGS, bro. Bortles. Holy shit.

Anyway, Giants lost two close games by blowing leads in the 4th. Naturally, Eli and Coughlin must be fired and the hung by the NYC populace.

And the Eagles are a sack of shit. Chip fucked around way too much with the team, and he put together a mish-mosh of talent that is not clicking... along with a shitty O-line. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 23, 2015, 01:05:41 AM
Told'ja the Eagles should have kept Tebow. He'd be better than Sammy Boy. At least he wouldn't look like he's about to wet himself after every snap.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 23, 2015, 06:01:56 AM
Told'ja the Eagles should have kept Tebow. He'd be better than Sammy Boy. At least he wouldn't look like he's about to wet himself after every snap.

Yeah, I don't know where all the "HERE COME SAM BRADFORD!" stuff came from. The dude was never any good at the NFL level. It isn't just health, either; his career numbers just float around mediocrity. He just doesn't have it at this level.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 23, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
I consider him a more accurate (and that's not saying much) Matt Leinart. If the pressure comes, he'll fold faster than Superman on laundry day.

Looks like Brees has a hurt shoulder which sort of explains the Bucs game. I mean, the Saints defense is bad, but if he's hurt--uh-oh.

Man, this week...a part of me is filled with hope because--we honestly should beat the Colts. Their offensive line is worse than ours, the run defense stinks, their secondary has been ravaged with injury, their best WR and TE are dinged up, and Andrew Luck has played horrible. Then there's the part of me that has lived through the Titans blowing chances like this and getting blown out.
Is it safe to dream? :)

But seriously, I'm sure Delanie Walker will be back so the offensive line shouldn't get bum rushed like they did last week..but man do I hope McCourty can come back. Those two idiot backup corners we have letting Manziel throw those bombs...ugh,
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 23, 2015, 01:08:58 PM
Told'ja the Eagles should have kept Tebow. He'd be better than Sammy Boy. At least he wouldn't look like he's about to wet himself after every snap.

Yeah, I don't know where all the "HERE COME SAM BRADFORD!" stuff came from. The dude was never any good at the NFL level. It isn't just health, either; his career numbers just float around mediocrity. He just doesn't have it at this level.
Bradford fits Chip Kelly's system on paper when it comes to throwing the football. He was a monster at Oklahoma in that spread offense when it moved at warp speed and highlighted his accuracy in the short game. The problem here is that the Eagles have no running game to give them shorter down and distance to make things more manageable. And that is a symptom of the biggest problem on the Eagles, it's that offensive line. The guards are getting absolutely blown off the ball on a regular basis, Bradford already doesn't do well with pressure. But I don't really think anyone would be good behind that line as it's currently constructed. Chip Kelly was feeling himself and really fucked up with personnel decisions. Systems do not work at the NFL level, you need talent. Chip Kelly is learning this the hard way.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: fatnlazy on September 23, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
Thoughts so far:

Season is over for the Saints. Even Payton admitted this is a rebuilding year. Brees is hurt. Again. We have one real weapon at receiver, and he's essentially a rookie. I'm not even sure we have a D line. I'm sure Jarius Byrd is a great safety. Couldn't tell you from seeing him play though. Money well spent. His backup is out for most of the season. At least we have "fall over" Ingram. I'm so tired of him. We got rid of Ivory and Sproles, and kept this putz. When Tampa Bay fucks you in the ass, it's a wrap.

Sam Bradford sucks. That last game was fucking painful. My wife even asked who that poor bastard was, and she was only half watching.

Giants? Damn. Those two losses make me feel better about being a Saint's fan.

Denver's D line would scare the shit out of me if I was a QB. My boy, Peyton doesn't seem to have the long ball touch right now. Age, and being mugged in the first two games seem to be catching up.

I may have to grudgingly admit that Rodgers may be the best QB in the league now.

Oh yeah, so much for Dallas.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: fatnlazy on September 23, 2015, 01:20:38 PM
Told'ja the Eagles should have kept Tebow. He'd be better than Sammy Boy. At least he wouldn't look like he's about to wet himself after every snap.

Yeah, I don't know where all the "HERE COME SAM BRADFORD!" stuff came from. The dude was never any good at the NFL level. It isn't just health, either; his career numbers just float around mediocrity. He just doesn't have it at this level.
Bradford fits Chip Kelly's system on paper when it comes to throwing the football. He was a monster at Oklahoma in that spread offense when it moved at warp speed and highlighted his accuracy in the short game. The problem here is that the Eagles have no running game to give them shorter down and distance to make things more manageable. And that is a symptom of the biggest problem on the Eagles, it's that offensive line. The guards are getting absolutely blown off the ball on a regular basis, Bradford already doesn't do well with pressure. But I don't really think anyone would be good behind that line as it's currently constructed. Chip Kelly was feeling himself and really fucked up with personnel decisions. Systems do not work at the NFL level, you need talent. Chip Kelly is learning this the hard way.

I'm not sure Murray ever even made it back to the line of scrimmage without linemen all over him. He was running hard too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 23, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
Well, having Murray run east to west is dumb, he's a straight ahead type of guy. They do that and he should do better. I mean, the O-line is horrible but at least he might get a few yards or get back to the line of scrimmage. That's an improvement.

And I'm not going to discount Dallas. I mean, yeah, they lost their QB, their top WR, and top CB...but they are still in it because of how horrible that division. Let's look at what we got.

Washington: Yeah, they beat the Rams--but the Rams will always lose big games and be mediocre because of Jeff Fisher. Cousins stinks, their O-line is horrible.

Giants: ...Eli Manning. Sigh. Look here is my view of Eli. If you have a great team, he'll be great. If you have a bad team, he'll be bad. He's not like his brother who can make everything seem better because of how great he is. I joke that there is a good Eli and a Bad Eli and the last season and two games this it's been bad Eli. They're not a good team.

Eagles...yeah.

Cowboys still have the best offensive line, so the back-up can just run the ball and make simple throws and they can still win this division. They already have a win up on most of the teams so that helps, too.


Looks like Jimmy Graham is unhappy with the Seahawks. I could have told you that wouldn't work. He's being asked to be tough...and the thing is he's not.

And...who in their right mind calls a time out on 3rd and 10 with 48 seconds left in the red zone when the opposing QB is Peyton Manning!? Don't give him time to go over stuff! And yeah, I know that Andy Reid did a lot more stuff and I talked about it--but that is going to be in the top three stupidest things I'll see this NFL season.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 27, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
Well, I've learned a very important lesson this week--The Vols will never The Gators and The Titans will never beat the Colts. It just ain't ever gonna happen! :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on September 27, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
0-3 Ravens. 3 4th quarter leads blown. That defense is dreadful. No leadership. No pass rush. Secondary is arguably the worst in the NFL right now. Not how I thought this year would start.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 27, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
So far the Rams have:

1) Beat Seattle in a crazy game in week 1

2) Cost me a chance at $400 by losing to the REDSKINS in week 2 (if they won, I'd be left with one other person in my Survival Pool)

3) Lost to the Steelers.



Seriously, fuck you, Rams. All you do this year is hurt me.

At least you broke Roethlisberger. Hopefully it is serious. :) I mean, not life-threatening (though dude IS a serial rapist; I'm not that concerned with his well-being), but, like, he should miss a year or two.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 27, 2015, 05:03:56 PM
3-0 over the Bears after one quarter? Seattle, you really needed to go 52-0 this week against a badly inferior foe. I am starting to worry.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Von Doom on September 27, 2015, 05:06:37 PM
3-0 over the Bears after one quarter? Seattle, you really needed to go 52-0 this week against a badly inferior foe. I am starting to worry.

Yep. My god, the line is really shitting the bed. Two sacks, could've easily been three, in the first quarter. By the god damned Bears. No run blocking either. Then again, two dropped first down passes doesn't help either. Stone Hands strikes again. Surprised they let R Lockette try to catch passes at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 27, 2015, 05:07:41 PM
3-0 over the Bears after one quarter? Seattle, you really needed to go 52-0 this week against a badly inferior foe. I am starting to worry.

Yep. My god, the line is really shitting the bed. Two sacks, could've easily been three, in the first quarter. By the god damned Bears. No run blocking either. Then again, two dropped first down passes doesn't help either. Stone Hands strikes again. Surprised they let R Lockette try to catch passes at all.

After the infamous Superbowl interception, they should have taken Ricardo out back and shot his worthless ass.


Also, you KNOW the Bears are going to run on 75% of their offensive plays. How hard can it be to stop it?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Von Doom on September 27, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Apparently pretty tough.

It's weird. The announcer said Ricardo Lockette, but the stat book is showing Tyler Lockett with the drop. I didn't get a good look, but it did look like Ricardo.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Von Doom on September 27, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
Interesting. Burley can't cover or tackle. That's a good combo for a corner.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 28, 2015, 09:21:21 AM
So he'd be a good Titan back-up CB? :)

Sigh, I wish McCourty had been able to play yesterday. We probably win that game respectably. I mean, he's not Revis, but he's very good and would not have allowed a touchdown on third and twenty from about forty yards away! And that's what's hurt the Titans defense the back-up secondary allowing big bombs to be completed. It happened against the Browns and The Colts yesterday.

But he'll be back week five so the Titans will be much improved...but we could have been Three and O :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on September 28, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
I'm a 49ers fan. Have been for 25 years. I nearly burned my Jerry Rice jersey after those back-to-back pick 6's yesterday.

Balke and York, so smug in their decision to can Harbaugh, are the most hated dudes in the Bay right now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 05, 2015, 08:57:49 AM
Well, if it makes you feel better--I hate them too!!!

Anyway thoughts.

I've come to accept this: That the universe wants the Colts to win. I mean, when it looks like they're done, when defeat is unavoidable--the other teams screws up as big as possible and they win. The Jaguars should have won that game--twice. And on the subject--how the hell can you be so tall and have so many of your balls tipped by people a foot or more shorter than you, Boitles?!

This is the year of horrible kicking. With these new rule changes, you had better have a very good to great field goal kicker or you are playing a disadvantage.

I still say the Titans can win the AFC South. They'll get their two key defenders back from injury and the Colts still look bad (if not for God helping them win), The Texans have no QB and the Jaguars--they're the Jaguars. It's possible.

Kaepernik sucks. From what I gather the Packers decided to say "Okay, we'll just leave a few WRs uncovered to stop you from running, do something with it if you can." And he couldn't. I mean, yeah, the team was gutted, the coach is a puppet, and the owners are a hindrance to human intelligence--but you gotta be able to make the basic throws still!!

Wow, and if the universe loves the Colts--it utterly despises The Cowboys. They have so many key injuries--wow. I can't really think of another time with a team with so many injuries. I'm not complaining because I love watching them lose. :)

I think this is Peyton's last year. The old arm isn't what it used to be.

Can we stop with the Winston vs Mariota debate. I'm sorry, but one guy looks three years ahead of the other. Winston--okay, I expect mistakes by rookies--but he kept making the same ****ing one all day. It's what he did in college. He takes stupid risks that make no sense. You can get away with that in college, but not in the NFL. Winston had four interceptions in yesterday's game. Mariota has two--and one was when Delanie Walker was about to catch a pass but got drilled and knocked the ball into the air. And Mariota hasn't really even used his running! This is not a debate!

The Browns lost in typical Browns fashion. But I do hope they win games. Because I would hate for Cook or Cardale to be drafted by this miserable franchise and not be given a chance to be something in the NFL. That's what I think of this franchise. It has to be the worst in the NFL. From owner to GM to coaches.

Word is that the Dolphins might fire Philbin. They should do it on live TV, have Chad Johnson as the host, and televise it. Personally, I'd fire whatever idiot gave Suh that contract. That is not working out at all. And no, he didn't kick Fritzpatrick on purpose.

The Chiefs...yep, great to have a game manager, huh?

Looks like the Bears are having a fire sell where anyone can go! Watch the flippin' Pats get the best players on that team for a seventh round pick. ;)

Eh, I ain't got much else. Seriously, when one of the best match-ups televised where I live was Colts vs Jags...yawn.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 06, 2015, 01:12:12 AM
Well, the Lions got screwed. Sorry BAMF, but the Lions should have got the ball back. A Seahawk batted the ball out of bounds clearly.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on October 06, 2015, 03:05:25 AM
Eh, I don't think you can lay the Dolphins DEF woes at Suh's feet. It's a system that doesn't play to his strength. He's left double and triple teamed a LOT, and the rest of the squad can't get anything done. The offense can't stay on the field, either, so by the end of the game he's gassed out trying to fight through half of the other team's O-line.

I have to say I'm basically regurgitating this, because my best friend is a HUGE Miami fan and he rants at least once a day to me about them LOL.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on October 06, 2015, 06:53:12 AM
Well, the Lions got screwed. Sorry BAMF, but the Lions should have got the ball back. A Seahawk batted the ball out of bounds clearly.

I saw that during the game and was surprised that there was no mention of it by the announcers, but really? How do you officiate that? How can you determine that Wright wasn't reaching for the ball and hit it by accident? It happens ALL THE TIME on fumbles as guys are scrambling to recover a ball. I'm not saying it WASN'T a bat (and Wright admitted it was), but as a ref, how do you look at that and objectively say "Yeah, that was a bat, he definitely wasn't trying to scoop up the ball"? To me, that's a judgment call, and the backjudge said he thought it was an attempt to grab the ball. It WAS the wrong judgment call, but I don't think it was egregious or anything.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: fatnlazy on October 06, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
This season is a comedy of errors, dropped balls, and injuries.

Except for GB. They seem to be on point.


Yeah, my boy, Peyton is looking old.  :-\
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 07, 2015, 03:13:09 AM
Well, the Lions got screwed. Sorry BAMF, but the Lions should have got the ball back. A Seahawk batted the ball out of bounds clearly.

I saw that during the game and was surprised that there was no mention of it by the announcers, but really? How do you officiate that? How can you determine that Wright wasn't reaching for the ball and hit it by accident? It happens ALL THE TIME on fumbles as guys are scrambling to recover a ball. I'm not saying it WASN'T a bat (and Wright admitted it was), but as a ref, how do you look at that and objectively say "Yeah, that was a bat, he definitely wasn't trying to scoop up the ball"? To me, that's a judgment call, and the backjudge said he thought it was an attempt to grab the ball. It WAS the wrong judgment call, but I don't think it was egregious or anything.

Okay, then the Super Bowl with with Steelers vs Seahawks was a well referreed game because the refs were making judgement calls to the best of their abilities. Mistakes were made, touchdowns were a yard or two short here and there--but the refs did their best. :)

I'm sorry but he patty caked the ball out of bounds.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on October 07, 2015, 03:27:35 AM
Well, the Lions got screwed. Sorry BAMF, but the Lions should have got the ball back. A Seahawk batted the ball out of bounds clearly.

I saw that during the game and was surprised that there was no mention of it by the announcers, but really? How do you officiate that? How can you determine that Wright wasn't reaching for the ball and hit it by accident? It happens ALL THE TIME on fumbles as guys are scrambling to recover a ball. I'm not saying it WASN'T a bat (and Wright admitted it was), but as a ref, how do you look at that and objectively say "Yeah, that was a bat, he definitely wasn't trying to scoop up the ball"? To me, that's a judgment call, and the backjudge said he thought it was an attempt to grab the ball. It WAS the wrong judgment call, but I don't think it was egregious or anything.

Okay, then the Super Bowl with with Steelers vs Seahawks was a well referreed game because the refs were making judgement calls to the best of their abilities. Mistakes were made, touchdowns were a yard or two short here and there--but the refs did their best. :)

I'm sorry but he patty caked the ball out of bounds.

I said it was a bad call, and it WAS a bad call. It's just a stupid rule because it's asking the referees to legislate intent.

Also, it's the Lions. Even if they got the ball back, they would have found a way to get a 100-yard safety on the next play. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 07, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I'm saying it wasn't even close. He knocked that ball out. But I'm losing sympathy for the Lions because they didn't make a fuss out of it and now they don't even want to talk about it. I'll never get what people like about Caldwell.

And yeah, it stinks being a Lions fan, your team either screws everything up royally or the refs just screw you over. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on October 19, 2015, 01:47:01 AM
What the duck is going on in Seattle the seem incapable of finishing a game
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Von Doom on October 19, 2015, 03:49:43 AM
A good TE is Seattle's kryptonite.

Seattle's had issues dealing with the 2-minute offense for quite a while. They blew 17 fourth-quarter leads from 2011 to 2014, losing 12 of those games, and it's worse this year. I'm not certain what their problem is, but it can't really be blamed on any one facet. They've had this problem through 3 defensive coordinators, they've got a pair of safeties that adapt on the fly very well, and the D's overall football IQ seems pretty high, so it's really quite baffling. Not having Wagner in today certainly hurt, but that wouldn't explain the rest of this season.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on October 19, 2015, 07:52:23 AM
A good TE is Seattle's kryptonite.

Seattle's had issues dealing with the 2-minute offense for quite a while. They blew 17 fourth-quarter leads from 2011 to 2014, losing 12 of those games, and it's worse this year. I'm not certain what their problem is, but it can't really be blamed on any one facet. They've had this problem through 3 defensive coordinators, they've got a pair of safeties that adapt on the fly very well, and the D's overall football IQ seems pretty high, so it's really quite baffling. Not having Wagner in today certainly hurt, but that wouldn't explain the rest of this season.

Seattle's fucking problem is the single worst offensive line in the NFL. Russel Wilson has no time to do anything, and for the second game in a row, they got sacked on 3rd down on the drive that could have finished the clock. Tom Cable and his "I hate drafting offensive linemen to play offensive line!" philosophy needs to GO.

The defense is taking a HUGE step back, too. Not sure what their issue is. Thomas is basically invisible this year. Kam is extremely hit-or-miss (he either makes a big play or is getting destroyed by tight ends). Cary Williams is negligible, and we never have replaced Browner as the TRUE guy to play opposite Sherman.

Our defensive line has fallen off the Earth, too. Seattle used to blitz less than any team in the league, but still applied constant pressure. Those days are gone. Now they blitz constantly because the D-Line is not doing anything, and other teams are destroying the holes in our coverage.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on October 19, 2015, 08:26:05 AM
At least the Seahawks aren't the Ravens, who have injuries to almost half their starters on both sides of the ball and almost 25% of their cap is dead money thanks to Ray Rice. Worst pass defense in the league, no question. It's been over a decade since I've had to give up on a Baltimore season in October, but here we are.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Von Doom on October 19, 2015, 09:10:14 AM
A good TE is Seattle's kryptonite.

Seattle's had issues dealing with the 2-minute offense for quite a while. They blew 17 fourth-quarter leads from 2011 to 2014, losing 12 of those games, and it's worse this year. I'm not certain what their problem is, but it can't really be blamed on any one facet. They've had this problem through 3 defensive coordinators, they've got a pair of safeties that adapt on the fly very well, and the D's overall football IQ seems pretty high, so it's really quite baffling. Not having Wagner in today certainly hurt, but that wouldn't explain the rest of this season.

Seattle's fucking problem is the single worst offensive line in the NFL. Russel Wilson has no time to do anything, and for the second game in a row, they got sacked on 3rd down on the drive that could have finished the clock. Tom Cable and his "I hate drafting offensive linemen to play offensive line!" philosophy needs to GO.

The defense is taking a HUGE step back, too. Not sure what their issue is. Thomas is basically invisible this year. Kam is extremely hit-or-miss (he either makes a big play or is getting destroyed by tight ends). Cary Williams is negligible, and we never have replaced Browner as the TRUE guy to play opposite Sherman.

Our defensive line has fallen off the Earth, too. Seattle used to blitz less than any team in the league, but still applied constant pressure. Those days are gone. Now they blitz constantly because the D-Line is not doing anything, and other teams are destroying the holes in our coverage.

The line is a huge problem, of course. However, they did seem to hold up better yesterday than they have been. By the fourth, Wilson was running for his life again, but that's not really what the issue is when discussing their habit of blowing leads. Sure, they're tired by the fourth, and so they don't help Seattle put points on the board or seal wins with a big push, but that only explains why Seattle can't put together big runs in the fourth of their own. There's seriously something wrong when a team outscores opponents by 31 in the 3rd and then is outscored by 28 in the 4th. It seems like it's a mental thing. They seem like they get lazy when they have a lead late in the game.

I wouldn't really say Thomas has been invisible. It's just that his name isn't called a lot by TV announcers, because opposing QBs don't challenge him much. He had a pretty big impact vs the Panthers.

Maxwell and Lane both did well in place of Browner, they're just both gone now, and Maxwell is not doing well in his new home. Williams isn't the answer, but he looks better than Burley. I'm hoping he gets it together.

Couple bright spots: Graham finally got some love, and R Lockette actually caught a couple passes.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 02, 2015, 05:34:41 PM
Vernor Davis has been traded to the Broncos...crud.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on November 02, 2015, 05:37:03 PM
Really good on paper. Peyton needs an outlet receiver and he now has a pretty athletic one in Vernon Davis.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2015, 12:17:04 AM
So that's about...who the heck does Kaepernik have to throw to? Boldin? And that's about it? Sheesh. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2015, 12:17:34 AM
Oh, and Captain Turnover strikes again. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 04, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Huh. Titans have fired Whisenhunt. Normally, I wouldn't be for the firing of a coach who drafted a rookie QB...but I don't think Mariota could have lasted with him.

Whisenhunt refuses to change his scheme. Even when you have a rookie RT going one-on-one with JJ Watt. Something Watt pointed out no one else had done up to that point! He just leaves your QB open to injury, his time management sucks, he does not make any adjustments, his carousel approach of RB was insane, and just not using the players strength to their advantage. Mariota has rushed just ten times. I mean, I don't want him to just do that...but just ten?

And, I'll be honest, I didn't watch their game with Miami because I knew what was going to happen and I just got depressed. I have never not watched the Titans if I'm able. I couldn't bring myself to watch that game because I knew what would happen because--like I said, Whisenhunt will not adjust. He will not protect his QB. Yeah, Munchak sucked, but he was smart enough to listen to the players and his staff on what would be best. Not Kenny.

And I know most are saying the Titans have the worst team. No. They are idiots. The Titans do have talent. Their defense is really good, they have playmakers, just check out game recaps, the Titans have been in every game and had leads in several--until some idiot Coach screwed it up each time.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on November 04, 2015, 09:33:53 AM
When I think about the dumpster fire that is the Ravens this year, it makes me feel better to know that teams like the Titans are dumpster fires every single year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 04, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
Cram it you filthy Raven. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on November 04, 2015, 03:56:30 PM
When I think about the dumpster fire that is the Ravens this year, it makes me feel better to know that teams like the Titans are dumpster fires every single year.

Isn't it baffling how some teams just can't turn it around year after year? I mean, trust me, as a Seattle fan, I well remember the futility of the 90's and how my team spent that decade spinning their wheels, but then we got good in the early 2000's. By the late 2000's, we were bad again, but only for what? Three years? And then we were an elite team again going back to Superbowls.

Compare that to the Browns or Bills or Raiders who've all been SO bad for SO long. How can that be?

And then there are the teams that are NEVER bad, or if they are, it's for a year or two before they reload. That's easier to explain, though. Once you get a top-end QB and a competent coach, everything else just fills in. But those dreg teams... how many QBs and coaches have they gone through? It's crazy to think they haven't just found the fit they need when other teams are able to rebuild in less than 5 years.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on November 04, 2015, 04:01:15 PM
Dumpster fire? Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Exhibit A: The San Francisco 49ers.

Jee-zus-fuck-ing-CHRIST.

Let go of the only coach that's managed to do well THIS CENTURY!? Check.

Replace said-coach with some fucking no-name goofus? Check.

Let go of virtually every bit of offensive talent ("old" or not) on the roster!? Check.

Several key players on BOTH sides of the ball suddenly retiring!? Check.

Signing Reggie Bush to be a key component of the offense (WTF!?)!? Check.

Benching your best offensive player (if they'd just fucking let him play; he's not a pocket QB) for BLAINE GABBERT!? Check.

I am not a fairweather fan. I stuck it out when Elvis Grbac was the starting QB. I stuck it out during the coaching carousel years. I've stuck it out for just about every bit of bullshit that's come down the pike for a good long while. This shit, though? Fuuuuuuuck!

The GM is a moron. The coach is an idiot. The OC coord. is shit. This team sucks.

...this must be what it's like to be a Raiders fan...:(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 04, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
When I think about the dumpster fire that is the Ravens this year, it makes me feel better to know that teams like the Titans are dumpster fires every single year.

Isn't it baffling how some teams just can't turn it around year after year? I mean, trust me, as a Seattle fan, I well remember the futility of the 90's and how my team spent that decade spinning their wheels, but then we got good in the early 2000's. By the late 2000's, we were bad again, but only for what? Three years? And then we were an elite team again going back to Superbowls.

Compare that to the Browns or Bills or Raiders who've all been SO bad for SO long. How can that be?

And then there are the teams that are NEVER bad, or if they are, it's for a year or two before they reload. That's easier to explain, though. Once you get a top-end QB and a competent coach, everything else just fills in. But those dreg teams... how many QBs and coaches have they gone through? It's crazy to think they haven't just found the fit they need when other teams are able to rebuild in less than 5 years.

I think a lot of bad teams have really bad owners. Like The Browns with Haslam. They just have this way of doing things and will not listen to reason. At all. Al Davis in his later years comes to mind. Especially Daniel Snyder. Skeletor has mentioned the 49ers. Hardbaough, while a jerk, was winning games and had a formula that worked for Kaipernik, but they didn't like his attitude and wanted a pocket passer. Now look.

And you have teams that just have owners who own a team as a commodity and really are not invested in making things better. The Titans and Jaguars
have over twenty five million of additional cap space that was not used.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 08, 2015, 04:25:44 PM
WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

TITANS WIN!!! The reshuffled offensive line didn't give up a sack!! We're The Greatest Team EVAH!!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on November 09, 2015, 12:08:01 AM
Cowboys blew it tonight.  I love it when they fail.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on November 09, 2015, 12:47:20 PM
My Panthers are 8-0. Awesome.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 09, 2015, 04:25:54 PM
8-1 after this Sunday.  :P
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on November 09, 2015, 06:49:42 PM
8-1 after this Sunday.  :P

HA!

You better be quiet, or I'm gonna steal your banner.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on November 16, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Jesus christ the Patriots are getting RAPED by injuries. Jeez. Starring RB, LT, WR along with a good amount of the O-line all injured. Fuck.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 08, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that the officiating has been horrible this year? I mean, yeah, it's always been bad but I'm talking unforgiveable bad. I'm seeing defensiving holding calls where no one is being touched. The Jaguars actually got a field goal attempt to win a game--when they shouldn't have.

And yeah, two weeks ago the Pats go hosed by the refs.

And let's not forget Cam and his confrontation with a ref.

I'd ask for the commissioner to do something, but he's a failure, a disgrace, and if he had any decency or love of the sport, he'd quit in the hopes that someone more qualified would take over.

So is it just going to get worse and worse every year with these calls and not one official will be held accountable.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on December 09, 2015, 07:47:26 AM
I agree, its been bad this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on December 13, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
The Superbowl this year just goes to the last team healthy enough to field a team of 53.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on December 14, 2015, 11:08:15 AM
The injuries this year have been INSANE. Half the Patriots starters are on the trainers table now. It's all the contenders losing guys too.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 29, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Damn they fired Chip.  They hated him so much they couldn't let him finish up? I mean seasons over wasn't going to make a difference.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2015, 03:20:59 AM
I don't like this. It encourages the Titans to make even worse decisions than before.

And I kind of hate how everyone is now saying how he had the offense doesn't work. No NFL teams did not really figure it out--he just go rid of all the talented players! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Crab Master on December 31, 2015, 08:02:33 AM
I think it's time for the Giants to hit the reset button, and head in a new direction. The GM needs to go, and hopefully, they'll let Coughlin step down on his own terms. The guy won two superbowls, and was a class act through his entire run with the team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2015, 08:51:07 AM
Am I the only one who finds it weird everyone is talking about Coughlin and not Jason Garrett?

 I mean...you're telling me they couldn't have won more games in that division? Yeah, Romo and Dez have been hurt, but they should have managed more. Not to mention all the previous seasons of under achieving? Of course they should also get a new GM, but since they owner probably won't fire himself... :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on December 31, 2015, 08:54:02 AM
Am I the only one who finds it weird everyone is talking about Coughlin and not Jason Garrett?

 I mean...you're telling me they couldn't have won more games in that division? Yeah, Romo and Dez have been hurt, but they should have managed more. Not to mention all the previous seasons of under achieving? Of course they should also get a new GM, but since they owner probably won't fire himself... :)

I don't disagree that the Cowboys were the worst of a bad lot, but I think it would be a bad show to fire a guy who lost potential Pro Bowl players at QB and WR. You kind of chalk that up as a crappy situation and give him another year (especially when Garrett took them to the second round of the playoffs last year).
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2015, 09:02:04 AM
What the back-up QB that Jerry Jones has been trying to make a star for over a decade now? Hell, his best season involved him handing the ball off every chance he got.

And, yeah, given those circumstances, I'd normally go easy on a coach, but Jason Garrett has maybe one winning season? Despite all the talent the Cowboys spend money on?

 And that second round last year...I already mentioned how the Lions got screwed. Hell, even when they picked up that flag, another one should have been thrown when Dez Bryant, without his helmet) left the sideline and got in the refs face. That was a fifteen yard penalty.

The Cowboys should have lost that game if the NFL has officials who were good at their jobs. And they only seem to get worse and worse sad to say.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on December 31, 2015, 09:59:31 AM
Am I the only one who finds it weird everyone is talking about Coughlin and not Jason Garrett?

 I mean...you're telling me they couldn't have won more games in that division? Yeah, Romo and Dez have been hurt, but they should have managed more. Not to mention all the previous seasons of under achieving? Of course they should also get a new GM, but since they owner probably won't fire himself... :)



Can't be reasonably expected to win when you lose both your franchise QB and Wide Receiver in today's league. Not to mention the running game was suspect too. Jerry Jones only has himself to blame for the shitty depth, considering he is the GM. That and they were a bad call away from the NFC championship game last year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2015, 12:57:46 PM
Some franchise QB. His best year involved him just handing the ball off and letting the RB be the majority of the offense. He has never been anything more than a back-up QB who gets the best talent around him to make up for his lack talent and he continues to fail because HE. IS. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH. PERIOD.

I'll even give a recent example to help my point. Against the Panthers. Look at his stats.

And look at the Texans. They've had about the same QB problem and lost a star player in Arian "shoulda kept his faith so Jesus would protect him" Foster and they're going to be in the playoffs. Heck, they took the lead in the division thanks to Weeden, the QB the Cowboys dumped for a washed up neverwas who they then benched in favor of some high school QB.

And look at your Pats. Your team finds ways to win without their star WRs or...really an offensive line because those guys are dropping. And they are super bowl favorites. Why? Tom Brady is one of the best, if not the best, QBs? Do you think, if we took out Brady and put in Romo, the Pats would be anywhere close to winning as many games as they have?

And the running game...Haven't they gotten hundred yards for a good portion of their games? I mean, McFadden is what he is, but he did what I expected him to do with that offensive line. They have gotten several one hundred yard games.

And no way in hell am I ever going to believe that they can only win just one game without Romo. The majority of the games they've lost at the end and I put that on bad coaching.

But I'll agree that the big problem with the Cowboys is Jerry Jones. He sucks as a GM. I mean, can go on but it's really a waste of time he'll never step down because he's too damn egotistical.

And...if there is two things I am really tired of it's hearing about Star Wars and that "catch."

1. I already pointed out how they shouldn't have made it that far. The Lions got screwed. There was pass interference called, the refs pick up the flag...and Dez comes out on the field without his helmet which is another fifteen yard penalty!

2. THAT WASN'T A CATCH. Dez Bryan continues the original motion of the catch when he tries to stretch out for the endzone. If he had just taken the first down, he would have had a catch, but instead he stretched the ball out while still in the process of completing the catch. He tried for too much. Simple as that.

It was not a catch. Yeah, does that rule suck? Yes. Do I now I have trouble telling what the hell a catch is anymore thanks to these idiot rules? Oh definitely. But by the rules, that was not a catch.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 31, 2015, 02:53:10 PM
I use to think Romo wasn't as important myself until this season.  And in the NFL your not doing shit unless you have a QB.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 31, 2015, 07:57:59 PM
Again. The Texans.

Also the Steelers managed to win more than one game when Big Ben was hurt.

Your coach is a clapping puppet. That's why he won't get fired. Hell, same reason Romo has been given over a decade to never succeed. Jerry Jones picked them both, promoted and raved about them, and if he got rid of one...that means Jerry Jones isn't *gasp* good at his job.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 31, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
How many games did the Colts win the last year Manning was hurt?  Also a lot of the games were close we just didn't have good enough QB to get us over the hump or close them out.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 02, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
Heh-heh-heh. That's cute. You think Tony Romo is on the same level as Peyton Manning.

Look, while you're team's depth is pretty bad, the starters are really good. With that offensive line, you should have been able to run the ball and play solid enough defense to win your division still. I mean...Cousins?

Oh, and while I'm thinking of it, I really hope the Titans pick up Hue Jackson as their coach. How in the world did the Raiders think firing him was a good idea? I mean, I know their GM is horrible...but him going this long without a head coaching job while freakin' Kubiak gets a job handed to him by his buddy Elway is a crock.

And no Chip Kelly! Mother of mercy not that. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 03, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
Fuckin' Jets.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 03, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
So how many job opening are there gonna be by the end of black Monday.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2016, 06:08:15 PM
Giants
Titans
Colts
Browns
Eagles
Dolphins

Those come to mind. But I have heard talk the Titans want to keep Mularky. I hope today killed that idea dead. :)

Jeff Fisher should be fired but for some insane reason everyone considers him a coaching god

Jason Garrett should be fired but...CLAP, PUPPET, CLAP!! Jerry Jones is amused by it!!

Out of all of them I don't think Tomlin should be fired. Yeah, he hasn't been in the playoffs in for years but you started a new offense, you have won two superbowls...and your QB is Eli Manning. I'm sorry, but...You either get Good Eli or Bad Eli and you have no idea when it will be!

Chuck Pugano...man, he did the best he could without his starting QB for most of the year, A GM forcing his hand regarding his offensive staff, and the GM did a horrible job addressing the O-line and the pickups of Gore and Andre Johnson were a waste of money.

Seriously, Chuck finishes 8-8 but Jason Garrett keeps his job. That's garbage. Pure garbage. I'd actually be cool if the Titans got him.

Jeff Fisher should be fired.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 03, 2016, 07:34:27 PM
Pagano getting canned is garbage. Luck only plays, what, 5 games? And the Colts were not eliminated from playoff contention until week 17. You ask me, Pagano did a fine job keeping them competitive.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 03, 2016, 09:25:24 PM
I heard that Choughlin wants to retire .
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
The Browns have fired their General Manager and Coach. They also are done with Manziel, who wants to be a Cowboy.

I don't know what the Brown fans are complaining about. They think having a Haslam as an NFL owner sucks, try having his brother as your governor. Then you'll know true suffering. Seriously, his ideas for healthcare are insane. Being bludgeoned with a rock is not suitable care for the disabled!! :)

But...I still think that in the Manziel vs Clowney debate me and Prime had, I'm the winner because at least Johnny Football played games. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 03, 2016, 09:57:55 PM
Oh my god, the Packers and Vikings are both terrible. This game is insufferable.

God, I hope Minnesota wins. I actually would rather see Seattle play them than Washington.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2016, 03:53:35 AM
49ers head coach is fired after 5-11 season.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 04, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
Even in an "off year", Seattle finished with the fewest points allowed in the NFL. No team history had ever done that 4 years in a row until now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 04, 2016, 01:51:00 PM
The Browns have fired their General Manager and Coach. They also are done with Manziel, who wants to be a Cowboy.


Fuck we got enough problems we don't need to add Manziel. Unfortunately one of the problems is the GM who may still have a hard on for him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 06:21:21 PM
Brian Hoyer having an outing that will possibly haunt him forever.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 09, 2016, 06:40:13 PM
You didn't watch week one, did you? :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 07:05:00 PM
You didn't watch week one, did you? :)

Week 1 doesn't QUITE have the ramifications of a playoff game, yo.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 09, 2016, 07:15:22 PM
I'm just saying this isn't his first ghost the season to make you think he's cursed. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 09, 2016, 10:53:50 PM
the fucking Bengals I tell you.

In a year where the Ravens have 20+ players on injured reserve, 18 starters out for the season.  The Browns are the Browns and the Steelers are looking average. They still can't put it together.

I get Andy Dalton's loss is big, but come one win a playoff game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 11:17:50 PM
The Bengals are going to make this JUST close enough that I get my hopes up just to have them expertly dashed.

The Jets are my new second-least favorite team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on January 09, 2016, 11:38:06 PM
This is turning into the most Bungley game ever. Fuck the Bengals. Fuck the Steelers. Fucking Bungles.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 11:46:36 PM
This game is killing me. I can't believe Jeremy Hill fumbled on first down after what SHOULD have been a game-clinching INT.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 09, 2016, 11:46:49 PM
Jeremy Hill still on suicide watch on the sidelines
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 09, 2016, 11:49:37 PM
omg the Bengals fucking lost this game, unless the steelers kicker fucks up royally this games over. Holly shit Cincinnati
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 11:50:28 PM
God damn it.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on January 09, 2016, 11:52:46 PM
The god damn Bungles.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 09, 2016, 11:53:12 PM
the announcing is really bad.  The last 2 flags were kind of bullshit but whatever
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 09, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
the announcing is really bad.  The last 2 flags were kind of bullshit but whatever

They really were. The Steelers did the SAME THING to Giovanni Bernard, and it was okay. But it was a penalty when it happens to Pittsburgh, huh?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on January 09, 2016, 11:58:04 PM
I hate the Steelers more than anything. But the Bungles just went up a few notches. That was definitely the most Bungley loss in the history of Bungley losses.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 10, 2016, 12:01:24 AM
the announcing is really bad.  The last 2 flags were kind of bullshit but whatever

They really were. The Steelers did the SAME THING to Giovanni Bernard, and it was okay. But it was a penalty when it happens to Pittsburgh, huh?

yeah that just left a bad taste in my mouth. The fumble by Hill was a huge fuck up but thats all on the Bangles, however those last two bang bang penalties were crazy tick tacky.

Burfict was already moving coming at him and he ran through with his shoulder. Wasn't head hunting from than angle he wasn't sure if Brown caught the ball that was bang bang. I'm not even sure wha that last penalty was for.

If it was a 50+ years kick and it went in than fine, kicker earned his check, but for the officials to give the Steelers those two flags for an easy chip in felt wrong. And the announcing just made it worse.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
Marvin Lewis HAS to get fired now, right?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 10, 2016, 12:06:40 AM
Marvin Lewis HAS to get fired now, right?

I guess feels wrong tho. Lost his starting QB for the year, and 3 players fucked him over when he had the game won.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 10, 2016, 12:21:27 AM
He didn't control his players. Simple as that. He should be gone, but The Browns will not fire him because they don't want to pay him for not coaching their team.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 10, 2016, 12:31:50 AM
They are 3 grown men not children. Is he suppose to hold their hands between each play?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2016, 12:44:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/SiiWIAq.png)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 10, 2016, 01:25:29 AM
In Steve Harvey's defense...I think Columbia should have won to. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 10, 2016, 05:15:57 AM
The Bengals and Lions are the same they can't win a playoff game either because of there own inept or forces conspiring against them.  They've never been good enough to overcome.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2016, 07:34:07 AM
Here's what I can't stand about where I live and who my friends and family are. Last night after the game, my Facebook lit up like a Christmas tree calling for Burfict to get hit by bus or kicked out of the NFL or suspended next year or assassinated. And I want to be all "YOUR TEAM EMPLOYS JAMES HARRISON AND MIKE MITCHELL". But I can't because then my wife gets mad that I offended her family.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2016, 02:45:59 PM
The Steelers have been like that since at least the 70's. They would moan about Madden's Raiders or Glanville's Oilers being dirty. Meanwhile according to an ex-Steeler (RB Preston Pearson), much of Pittsburgh's own pre-game talk was about how to take out guys on the other team. And their play showed it.

Yeah, Harrison is the worst. Good player, but damn. Though at least he has come forward to sort of defend Burfict's hit. Which I guess keeps him from being a hypocrite. Fwiw Deion Sanders did not think the hit was terribly avoidable. Ironically he took Burfict to task for fluffing off the media after the game instead.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on January 10, 2016, 04:05:13 PM
The Vikings kicker needs to go into witness protection

The Steelers have been like that since at least the 70's. They would moan about Madden's Raiders or Glanville's Oilers being dirty. Meanwhile according to an ex-Steeler (RB Preston Pearson), much of Pittsburgh's own pre-game talk was about how to take out guys on the other team. And their play showed it.

Yeah, Harrison is the worst. Good player, but damn. Though at least he has come forward to sort of defend Burfict's hit. Which I guess keeps him from being a hypocrite. Fwiw Deion Sanders did not think the hit was terribly avoidable. Ironically he took Burfict to task for fluffing off the media after the game instead.

Deion Sanders has no room to criticize about fluffing the media.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 10, 2016, 04:07:28 PM
I WANT THAT MINNESOTA KICKER INVESTIGATED FOR RIGGING THE GAME!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 10, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Hahahaha... we didn't earn that one at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 10, 2016, 05:52:15 PM
Deion Sanders has no room to criticize about fluffing the media.

No disagreement on that. It is not the same thing, but.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO9jo8XkOfA
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 10, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
God dammit how many times do they have to be told laces out.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 11, 2016, 04:41:29 AM
I WANT THAT MINNESOTA KICKER INVESTIGATED FOR RIGGING THE GAME!!!!!

Yeah it he shouldn't have missed it that wide that close when it's your only job.  But it was really cold and LACES OUT.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 11, 2016, 10:51:28 AM
BigJayStud must be on suicide watch for his own protection right now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 11, 2016, 01:27:23 PM
Well there's no better example of addition through subtraction... :)

And to be fair to the kicker, AP screwed up first by turning the ball over and letting the Seahawks get ahead.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 14, 2016, 09:03:49 AM
Coach McAdoo...hee hee. That's gonna be fun to say.

And Hue Jackson is now the Browns head coach. Who, once again, defy logical thinking and go coach before GM. And a few weeks earlier they hired the guy in charge of the Mets player to be their planner. WTF is it with this franchise? And again, my state has had a Haslam as a gov. It's like if I were a Brown and had to play losing games every week of the year...an no proper health plan.

...

I hate the Haslams. Each crooked one.


And I'm sad for Hue Jackson because...seriously, The Browns is the best he can do!!?

And for the Titans the three main coach candiates are Coach Mularky (god no), Doug Moron (The guy who threw a hissy fit with the Bills and quit like a ninny) and Josh McDaniels.

I'd be cool with McDaniels because...how the heck has he built a winning offensive team with what he's got?! Yeah, they have Tom Brady but they have third and worse stringers on their O-line and most of their weapons hurt.

Plus the man understood how awesome Tebow was. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 14, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Well, I get why Coughlin was so angry during his press conference. They got rid of him and kept everyone else on his staff? "Thanks for the two super bowls--NOW GET OUT!"

And Chip Kelly is the 49ers head coach. To all 49er fans--darn do you guys have it rough. I mean, I can honestly say everything sucks about your team, owner to GM to players, and I wouldn't be lying. Got a good kicker though. :)

Of course the Titans are not much better off. Apparently, during the GM search, any GM who said they did not want Mularky was disqualified. THE GUY IS NOT GOOD. The guy's surname literally tells you what he is. Hell, that's right up there with Dennis Hopeless. And for the record, I gave him a chance with Avengers Arena. NEVER. AGAIN. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 16, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
Carolina Advances

The Chiefs advance

The Cardinals Advance

Denver Advances

The LORDOFFOOTBALL has spoken!!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on January 16, 2016, 08:15:58 PM
Strike one!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 16, 2016, 10:47:38 PM
And the coaching search ends as The Titans...keep Mularky.

...

This is hell. Repeating the exact same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That's what hell is. I am in hell. Just up and down the circles of hell. That's what it is to be a Titan fan.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 16, 2016, 11:45:53 PM
Cards/Packers... what a crazy fucking 4th Quarter and OT.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on January 16, 2016, 11:50:59 PM
Would it had been better to go for 2 at the end of regulation?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 16, 2016, 11:52:38 PM
Would it had been better to go for 2 at the end of regulation?

Hindsight is 20/20. Playing for OT was the right call. Can you imagine the backlash if the conversion failed?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 17, 2016, 01:11:24 PM
Well.

This game has started as poorly as possible.


EDIT: Haha... then it got worse.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on January 17, 2016, 01:23:47 PM
Well.

This game has started as poorly as possible.


EDIT: Haha... then it got worse.

Two touchdowns in the first 5 minutes, I love it.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 17, 2016, 02:15:12 PM
Damn Seattle's getting destroyed.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on January 17, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
When was the last time the Seahawks got their asses kicked like this?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 17, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
When was the last time the Seahawks got their asses kicked like this?

They have only lost by double digits once since Wilson was drafted, and that was 27-17 against Green Bay earlier this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 17, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
And what do you know... that's still the only time we've lost by double digits.

You can spot your opponent a 9-0 halftime. You can spot your opponent a 16-0 halftime. Ya can't spot your opponent a 31-0 halftime, Seattle.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 17, 2016, 05:38:48 PM
Darn it! NOT BAMF! Your stupid team ruined my should have been flawless playoff predictions and...they didn't wear the right cleats?!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LordofBrooklyn on January 24, 2016, 01:59:53 PM
Carolina wins.

The Patriots win.

THE LORDOFFOOTBALL has spoken!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 24, 2016, 06:39:19 PM
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Good

At least I am guaranteed someone to root for in two weeks. Now if the Cards can just come through, it is can't miss either way.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 24, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
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Good

At least I am guaranteed someone to root for in two weeks. Now if the Cards can just come through, it is can't miss either way.

I have nothing against Carolina, but now I feel compelled to cheer for Arizona so we get the Feel Good Bowl. Can-Manning-Retire-With-A-Championship vs Can-Larry-Win-One. Good game.

Also, if Arizona makes it and wins, the NFC West will become the first division where all 4 teams have at least one title.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 24, 2016, 07:03:00 PM
Go Cardinals
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 24, 2016, 07:26:42 PM
Cards getting rolled.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 24, 2016, 07:28:52 PM
Cards getting rolled.

Yep, the minute I said something I knew I should not have.

God that coverage was fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 24, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
But damn would it be cool to see a four corners state Super Bowl.

Some people in AZ feel as much of a rivalry toward Colorado as they do toward California.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 24, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
Cards getting rolled.

Yep, the minute I said something I knew I should not have.

God that coverage was fucking pathetic.

Now would be a good time for Larry to just start taking over this game.

If Carolina does win, I feel awful for Peyton because he's going to get destroyed in a Superbowl AGAIN.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 24, 2016, 08:22:58 PM
Fucking Carson Palmer

Your defense just sets you up at the other guys twenty at a time when you badly need points................So you throw into double coverage and get picked off on first down.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 24, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Cards left their good football in 2015.

Two horrible losses sandwiching an ot win over a mediocre Packers squad.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 24, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
Well, they got more out of Carson Palmer than I thought they ever could.

But yeah...he played horrible. I mean, Hoyer doesn't look that bad anymore. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on January 25, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
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Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on January 25, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
Panthers are probably going to demolish Denver.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 25, 2016, 07:17:53 PM
Panthers will probably win, possibly convincingly. But I'm hoping for an upset.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 26, 2016, 03:28:50 AM
The Panthers were favorite to win the last time they went to the super bowl too if I recall
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 26, 2016, 04:04:40 AM
Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

Odds don't always mean much. I mean Denver was a slight favorite over Seattle iirc. And that game was a Seahawks slaughter. Though this unit's defense is quite a bit better than the one from two years ago.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 26, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

Odds don't always mean much. I mean Denver was a slight favorite over Seattle iirc. And that game was a Seahawks slaughter. Though this unit's defense is quite a bit better than the one from two years ago.

But the offense is A LOT worse. I think Carolina will obliterate them, but it would be nice to see Peyton retire on top. Also, hard to picture his being 1-3 in Suoerbowls.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 26, 2016, 12:16:13 PM
The Panthers were favorite to win the last time they went to the super bowl too if I recall
Nope. Patriots were favored by 7 in most sportsbooks.

Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

That Carolina team was not weak at all. They had the best defensive line in football with Kris Jenkins in his prime, a young Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker. Stephen Davis rushed for a Panthers franchise record in rushing yards, and had Deshaun Foster as his backup. Not to mention they had a young Steve Smith and Mushin Muhammad. That was a really good team with plenty of elite players.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 26, 2016, 04:01:37 PM
Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

Odds don't always mean much. I mean Denver was a slight favorite over Seattle iirc. And that game was a Seahawks slaughter. Though this unit's defense is quite a bit better than the one from two years ago.

But the offense is A LOT worse. I think Carolina will obliterate them, but it would be nice to see Peyton retire on top. Also, hard to picture his being 1-3 in Suoerbowls.
It was the Rams they were the underdogs against I'm thinking of
Any Denver's defense will keep it from being a slaughter like the Seahawks one was hopefully.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on January 26, 2016, 05:48:49 PM
The Panthers were favorite to win the last time they went to the super bowl too if I recall
Nope. Patriots were favored by 7 in most sportsbooks.

Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

That Carolina team was not weak at all. They had the best defensive line in football with Kris Jenkins in his prime, a young Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker. Stephen Davis rushed for a Panthers franchise record in rushing yards, and had Deshaun Foster as his backup. Not to mention they had a young Steve Smith and Mushin Muhammad. That was a really good team with plenty of elite players.

Which is why I prefaced the statement by saying "By Super Bowl standards." Jake Delhomme was their QB. During the entire regular season they had only two wins by more than a touchdown and outscored their opponents by just twenty one points for the season iirc.

They played better in the playoffs and are obviously not a weak team by league standards. But on a list of Super Bowl only teams, they would be a lot closer to the bottom than the top.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 27, 2016, 09:06:23 AM
The Pats fire their O-line coach. ...Why? I mean, yeah it was horrible the last game but--christ, everyone was hurt and kept getting hurt! Brady not being out for the year much less being in the championship game and walking out is a miracle.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 27, 2016, 12:41:47 PM
Probably because Brady got hit a record of 25 times.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 27, 2016, 12:43:32 PM
The Panthers were favorite to win the last time they went to the super bowl too if I recall
Nope. Patriots were favored by 7 in most sportsbooks.

Against the Patriots? Pretty sure they were a solid underdog there. Unlike this Carolina squad, that team was seen as weak, by Super Bowl standards. Though they did take that game to the wire, to their credit.

That Carolina team was not weak at all. They had the best defensive line in football with Kris Jenkins in his prime, a young Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker. Stephen Davis rushed for a Panthers franchise record in rushing yards, and had Deshaun Foster as his backup. Not to mention they had a young Steve Smith and Mushin Muhammad. That was a really good team with plenty of elite players.

Which is why I prefaced the statement by saying "By Super Bowl standards." Jake Delhomme was their QB. During the entire regular season they had only two wins by more than a touchdown and outscored their opponents by just twenty one points for the season iirc.

They played better in the playoffs and are obviously not a weak team by league standards. But on a list of Super Bowl only teams, they would be a lot closer to the bottom than the top.

Ahhh ok, that makes more sense. Although I'd argue they were more average as far as SB teams go. They were pretty stacked everywhere but QB, at the time Delhomme was good starter. Not a game manager by any stretch.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 27, 2016, 12:49:38 PM
The Pats fire their O-line coach. ...Why? I mean, yeah it was horrible the last game but--christ, everyone was hurt and kept getting hurt! Brady not being out for the year much less being in the championship game and walking out is a miracle.
Somewhat of a knee jerk type deal, but he wasn't that good of a coach. The starting LT Soldier's play started to tail off with his hiring, and the Line as a whole hasn't been able to run block well AT ALL, and the team has been heavily reliant on Brady making quick throws to aid with pass pro. Some of it is Belichick taking Brady for granted, and some of it was the Pats former assistant head coach/Oline coach Dante Scarnecchia's retirement. Belichick has drafted an offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds like twice in the past 10 years. Basically he knew that between Brady's ability to go through his reads fast and throw accurately and quickly, and Scar coaching up whatever lineman he got...it would work out. But now Scar is gone and it's showing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 08, 2016, 06:54:50 AM
Maybe it deserves its own topic, but Peyton Manning is ending his career.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on March 08, 2016, 07:55:49 AM
And the Eagles are scrubbing all signs of Chip Kelley away from their roster, having traded away Murray, Maxwell, and Alonso.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 08, 2016, 09:09:48 AM
Fuck the Eagles.  Lets talk about how the Lions are going to blow it even worse this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 08, 2016, 09:50:34 AM
Isn't Megatron retiring? That's how.

And the Titans finally have a running back! Yay! And before anyone talks about Murray's numbers...he's still easily better than what we got. :)

Now get Alex Mack and maybe a RT! Protect Mariota. He is our salvation. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LiquidSailor on March 08, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
We don't know for sure what he's going to do yet.

If we lose him, we are extra fucked.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on March 09, 2016, 10:34:15 AM
Calvin Johnson officially retired. Golden Tate and a freshly inked Marvin Jones are the Lions top 2 WR's now
Title: Osweiler to Texans
Post by: Imperial on March 09, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/texans-land-brock-osweiler--leaving-broncos-without-starting-qb-201703008.html

Texans land Brock Osweiler, leaving Broncos without starting QB

Trevor Siemian, Denver Broncos starter?

Likely not, but the Super Bowl champions now have lost both their starter, the retired Peyton Manning, and their backup, Brock Osweiler. That's because NFL Network is reporting that Osweiler is now a member of the Houston Texans. The deal is reportedly for four years, $72 million.

[NFL free agency starts Wednesday. Here are Shutdown Corner's free-agent rankings for offensive players and for defensive players and specialists. Here are the top needs for all 32 NFL teams.]

The Texans have been desperate to land a QB, and team owner Bob McNair indicated — twice — this offseason that the team would need to upgrade the position. They used four different players at the position last season, finishing 9-7 and winning the AFC South but losing at home in the wildcard round to the Kansas City Chiefs, highlighting the team's limitations at the position. Neither of these men will be taking a snap for the Broncos for the 2016 season. (AP)

Osweiler stepped in for Manning this season, starting seven games and throwing for 10 TDs and six interceptions while Manning's foot healed...................
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Imperial on March 09, 2016, 05:41:39 PM
There goes virtually any chance the Broncos had to repeat.

If Brock did not play decently enough, Denver would not have gotten home field. Without that, they don't get to the big game. Though I get why Denver was reluctant to match or better those dollars.

Knee and all, Andy Reid and company must be pretty happy in KC right about now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 10, 2016, 05:45:26 PM
Actually they got caught tampering with Maclin's contract and lost two draft picks. Very sad.

And it took more than Brock, the entire frickin' AFC was injured. The Broncos were the healthiest. Because no way in hell do I believe the Broncos beat the Steelers if Antonio Brown can play...since the destroyed them a few weeks prior.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 14, 2016, 09:40:20 AM
Titans trade the #1 pick to the Rams. Rams also get a 4th and a 6th. Titans get the 15th pick this year, two 2nd rounders this year, a 3rd rounder this year, and the Rams' first and third next year.

It will be great if the Rams just RG3'ed themselves, especially since they were on the other end of the previous such trade.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 14, 2016, 09:41:11 AM
Also, the NFL is obviously creaming themselves that the #1 pick is going to be playing in LA, right? And they say sports aren't fixed.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on April 14, 2016, 12:08:18 PM
less to do with the NFL and more with the Ram wanting to make a splash going to LA.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 14, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah!  Zip-A-Dee-A! My, oh my, what a wonderful day! Trading draft picks, building a team! Zip-a-dee-doo-dah! Zip-A-Dee-A!!!

Man, I hoped that the Titans could get a deal like this, but I never thought a team would be dumb enough to actually do it. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on April 15, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
Definitely not for that QB.  You lucked out with the Ram's suffering from temporary insanity.  Hope your GM does a better draft job with the picks they receive than the Ram did four years ago.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 16, 2016, 10:33:21 PM
Well, we got a new guy, so I have hope. I like what he's done so far. Especially getting Murray pretty cheap.

But we still got Mularky as our coach so...either he takes his one chance to shine or...well, everyone was right in cutting him short every other time.

I feel much better about this upcoming season now! :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 17, 2016, 03:39:31 PM
Also, the NFL is obviously creaming themselves that the #1 pick is going to be playing in LA, right? And they say sports aren't fixed.

The Rams probably fucked up here. Not a sign of anything being fixed. Time will tell, but as it stands none of these QBs are worth the 1st pick overall.  It's a reach, which you shouldn't do more often than not. But hey, the Falcons traded up for Julio Jones and they were right, so what do I know?

Jalen Ramsey should have been the 1st pick in this draft based on talent and college tape.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 18, 2016, 04:32:17 AM
Yeah, I think he's not going to make it past the Chargers. Denying the Cowboys, which is hilarious.

And it looks like the Rams have the third hardest schedule.

http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-16/2016-los-angeles-rams-football-schedule.php

Okay, taking into account the Rams will be starting a rookie QB, they'll already finish below five hundred because Jeff Fisher...

The Titans might get a top three pick in next year's draft. Damn crappy 49ers might ruin things.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 18, 2016, 08:05:11 PM
Yeah, I think he's not going to make it past the Chargers. Denying the Cowboys, which is hilarious.

And it looks like the Rams have the third hardest schedule.

http://www.fbschedules.com/nfl-16/2016-los-angeles-rams-football-schedule.php

Okay, taking into account the Rams will be starting a rookie QB, they'll already finish below five hundred because Jeff Fisher...

The Titans might get a top three pick in next year's draft. Damn crappy 49ers might ruin things.

Not necessarily. Cleveland is kind of a wild card of sorts. They may draft Tunsil to be Joe Thomas' heir apparent, but they might not. If Tunsil makes it to the Chargers at 3, I'd think they would take him because of all the Offensive Line issues they have had over the past several years. That means Ramsey makes it to 3 where the Cowboys would take him for sure. Unless they are beyond stupid that is. The Browns MIGHT take Ramsey themselves, but they drafted Justin Gilbert (who looks like a spectacular bust) already and they have Joe Haden...so i don't know. If I were the Browns I'd take either take Ramsey or Tunsil or auction off the pick to the highest bidder who wants one of those two. Because no way in hell do they make it past the Chargers and Cowboys.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on April 18, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
Honestly I think the Browns will take Ramsey if there smart
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 19, 2016, 09:31:06 AM
If I was the Browns, I'd pick up Tunsil. You just got RGIII, who still might be a franchise QB, you lost so much on the offensive line because...I have no idea what the Browns were doing in free agency.

And...let's be honest, the QB class just stinks this year. The Browns are not going to win jack this year, not in that division and they have the least talent of any team in the NFL. They'll once again draft high, and they'll be able to get a better QB next year. You give RGIII a chance to do something, if he stinks...hey, brighter future next year.



I don't know about anyone else...I wouldn't draft any of the QBs in this year's draft in the first round. Maybe at the very end. I'm just not a fan of any of them.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 20, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
With the Browns trading their pick to the Eagles, I think the Chargers draft Tunsil, and Ramsey goes to the Cowboys.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 20, 2016, 03:42:09 PM
Goff and Wentzel better both be amazing, or there are going to be some really pissed-off fanbases.

The funny thing is, if you look at the history of QBs going 1/2 (and in some cases, 1/2/3), almost always at least one of them is a complete bum.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 20, 2016, 04:13:05 PM
...Am I the only one who thinks the Eagles are idiots? You're giving up that much...for the Rams' sloppy seconds? Especially when next year's class is so much better.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 22, 2016, 07:29:17 PM
...Am I the only one who thinks the Eagles are idiots? You're giving up that much...for the Rams' sloppy seconds? Especially when next year's class is so much better.

Eagles will be garbage for a good 3 to 5 years.

Also watch the Browns fuck up this draft just watch. Choke Artists
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 22, 2016, 08:30:41 PM
Washington just overpaid for Josh Norman.  $75 mil. $50 guaranteed?!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 22, 2016, 08:38:11 PM
It's Washington. It's what they do.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 23, 2016, 03:45:29 AM
Got to thinking about the Eagles/Browns trade... this has to be the best trade ever for Eagles fans, right? Because even if you think you gave up far too much, you have to remember that Cleveland is the most cursed franchise ever. So what are the odds the QB they passed on after having gone through so many other bad ones ISN'T the next Peyton Manning?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 23, 2016, 09:59:30 PM
God does seem to hate The Browns... :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 25, 2016, 12:20:55 PM
A higher court has ruled that Tom Brady will serve out his four game suspension for cheating.

This may change if someone important drafts Tom Brady on his fantasy team. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 25, 2016, 01:12:38 PM
A higher court has ruled that Tom Brady will serve out his four game suspension for cheating.

This may change if someone important drafts Tom Brady on his fantasy team. :)

really?! HAHAHAHAHAHA fuck the Pats
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 26, 2016, 12:19:06 AM
Yo Prime where you at?! Get your ass in here so I can mock you
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 26, 2016, 01:24:52 AM
Permaban.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 26, 2016, 09:23:35 AM
That's an abuse of power--like Roger Goodell. You are now what you hate most...which you probably loved the most year ago when he destroyed all the spygate evidence for your team. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 26, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
1) I have consistently always hated Roger Goodell.
2) Science proved that no one did shit to the balls
3) Even IF someone had done something to the balls, the punishment was draconian and way overboard
4) Stop being jealous that your franchise can't do anything right and backstabs it's legendary players.
5) Brady losing almost certainly ensures there will be a lockout in 2020 that will probably go on longer than the last one. So I'd rein in the cheering if I were you.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 26, 2016, 11:53:03 AM
People are confused here. The court's ruling was not "Brady deflated footballs". Their ruling was "Roger Goodell has the authority to suspend a player". This doesn't prove that Brady did anything wrong. It doesn't even imply it. This decision was strictly based on what the commissioner of the NFL has power to do.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 26, 2016, 12:39:07 PM
Yeah. I know. I heard Stephen A Smith bring up that valid point every day for several months last year. I just enjoy messing with Prime. Heck, it's something me and him can talk about until Friday when the NFL Draft is on and we can compare our team's first round--oh wait. :)



Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on April 26, 2016, 12:44:18 PM
I'm not a football fan at all and only read about it when stories like Deflate-gate make it to mainstream media. That being said, why the fuck would the Commissioner of the NFL have such a hard-on to ban one of the best and most popular quarterbacks in NFL history? Especially when the "evidence" seems so shitty? Is Goodell a fucking moron? He seems like a spiteful prick.

Every professional NFL player should be backing Brady.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 26, 2016, 02:28:20 PM
You think Deflate Gate is bad? Look up Spygate. He actually destroyed evidence!

The best one is Bounty Gate where he sabotaged the Saints. That one should have gotten him fired, but like DiDio, Snyder, and several others...he kisses the right butt and gets a pay raise and job security. Sucks, but that's the way the world works. Especially now that we can't have President Sanders. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 26, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
so the Patriots still lose a draft pick and Brady for 4 games. Good luck getting back to the Super Bowl
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 26, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
...

They probably will go back soon. I mean, looking at their first four games, the worst I can see them doing is 3-1 and the AFC East is just the Pats and three of their favorite punching bags.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on April 26, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
I'm not a football fan at all and only read about it when stories like Deflate-gate make it to mainstream media. That being said, why the fuck would the Commissioner of the NFL have such a hard-on to ban one of the best and most popular quarterbacks in NFL history? Especially when the "evidence" seems so shitty? Is Goodell a fucking moron? He seems like a spiteful prick.

Every professional NFL player should be backing Brady.

Matt Miller from Bleacher Report had anonymous sources from 10 separate NFL teams straight up say the consensus around the league now is that the Patriots actually didn't do anything to the balls. Which has also been confirmed by independent scientists who weren't being paid by the League to prove the opposite. Anyone cheering for this is an idiot.

Pats maybe go 2-2, but when Brady gets back he is going to be in full pissed of super sayin mode. So the Pats will probably run the table or maybe lose 2 more. That's 12-4. They'll make the playoffs and maybe go all the way if all the important team members stay healthy.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on April 26, 2016, 09:53:02 PM
Maybe Goodell feels he can't back down now because he'd lose face.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 26, 2016, 10:55:38 PM
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Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 26, 2016, 11:44:17 PM
You could've just linked us to your dad's Facebook page instead of linking all those.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 28, 2016, 08:59:26 PM
No surprises so far
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on April 28, 2016, 09:14:47 PM
Haha... that Tunsil guy was considered as a possible #1 pick when Tennessee had the pick, and he still hasn't gone after 8 picks.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 28, 2016, 09:18:03 PM
Haha... that Tunsil guy was considered as a possible #1 pick when Tennessee had the pick, and he still hasn't gone after 8 picks.

well that weed video and Domestic Violence charge didn't help.

Plus there are some people that didn't rank him number 1. I've come across a few articles like this


http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on April 28, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
Ok now I feel bad for Tunsil somebody fucking hates this dude hacking his twitter and instagram
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 29, 2016, 03:13:22 AM
Hate that we had to give up a second next year, but we needed a RT so Mariota isn't killed. And he was my second best RT. ...Tunsil...you broke my heart. :(

Wow, if the Browns pick QB, The Titans should get Myles Jack. It's insane how far he fell. A lot of good players are in the early second round. Tomorrow should be fun.

And...so the Browns, out of all the WRs, draft the one guy who knows only four routes? ...dammit Browns.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 04, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
So how'd everyone do? I hated that the Titans had to give up a second round next year to get a RT because next year's draft class is SOOOO much better, but I understand why. There are maybe eight players worth a flip (ten not counting injuries) and the Titans got one and he was needed because Mariota was getting killed because we had no RT. It was brutal. Now we got that covered.

And I liked the Titans pick. They got some really good talent. I like that we got Derrick Henry. And I'm glad we didn't reach for one of the later CBs because...not impressed by them. It's just nice that the Titans have an actual idea what they want to be.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 04, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
We won't know till the end of the season or really two seasons from now. I always find these draft grades hilarious.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 04, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
On paper it looks like the Jags took some significant steps forward, that's for sure. And I liked what Cleveland did, trading back and stockpiling future picks. Well done by the new regime there.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on May 05, 2016, 04:53:03 PM
EVERYBODY is picking the Jags to be a force next year, and really... they have no excuse not to be (unless injuries come). An offense of Bortles, Yeldon, Ivory, Robinson, Hurns, and Thomas? That's deadly. They drafted a bunch on defense and have Gus Bradley coaching them up, too, so that side has to improve.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 05, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
Eh, I don't buy it. There offensive line is bad and it's kind of hard for me to believe that the defense improves that much when they let the injured and depleted Titans with a fired coach beat them in a shoot out.

And Bortles...I just don't buy into him. He throws a great long ball. I have to admit that--but dear lord why does he struggle with every other pass? It's weird as hell.

And they had better win for Bradley's sake because they spent an insane amount of money in free agency.

And I think the AFC South is going to be much more competitive this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 05, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Bottles hasn't shown me shit. I say they will be mediocre at best and possibly squeak into a wildcard spot.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 05, 2016, 08:45:26 PM
EVERYBODY is picking the Jags to be a force next year, and really... they have no excuse not to be (unless injuries come). An offense of Bortles, Yeldon, Ivory, Robinson, Hurns, and Thomas? That's deadly. They drafted a bunch on defense and have Gus Bradley coaching them up, too, so that side has to improve.

I didn't say they'd be a force, just that they look like they really improved on paper. Offense is trending up, Bortles just needs to cut down on his turnovers but usually by year 3 it comes together. Allen Robinson is the real deal. As is Hurns. Julius Thomas has talent. Defensively? Odrick, Fowler, Jack, Ramsey, Amukamara, Jackson. That's steps towards improvement made at all 3 levels of that defense. Good potential, but we'll see.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 23, 2016, 03:51:52 PM
Good grief Tom Brady appealing again
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 23, 2016, 06:06:41 PM
He didn't do it, why wouldn't he appeal?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on May 23, 2016, 06:35:32 PM
So ppl will stop talking about it and move on.  He just dragging the story out and will most likely lose.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 23, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
He didn't do it, why wouldn't he appeal?

The Wells report begs to differ.

And this is just a make up for Spygate anyway.

Not that I really care since my team isn't playing the Pats this year.

The only positive that potentially comes out of this in the unlikely scenario Brady wins is it strips some power from Goodell and the owners.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 23, 2016, 08:36:59 PM
He didn't do it, why wouldn't he appeal?

The Wells report begs to differ.

And this is just a make up for Spygate anyway.

Not that I really care since my team isn't playing the Pats this year.

The only positive that potentially comes out of this in the unlikely scenario Brady wins is it strips some power from Goodell and the owners.

If you believe the Wells report was remotely fair or unbiased...you're nuts.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 23, 2016, 08:37:57 PM
Straight up pure SCIENCE from an independent source proved deflategate is bullshit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 23, 2016, 08:58:47 PM
(http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/UPDATED-Patriots-Fumble-Rate-Histogram-Comparison-00-06-v-07-141.png)


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Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on May 24, 2016, 07:45:38 AM
I'm on the same side as Prime in regards to the DeflateGate stuff--I don't think anything really went down and the whole thing is overblown--but Prime is such a damn whiny baby about it that I want Brady to get suspended anyway.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 24, 2016, 10:29:34 AM
(http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/UPDATED-Patriots-Fumble-Rate-Histogram-Comparison-00-06-v-07-141.png)


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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bzu7Pn78FB8/Vdd6HuCmMcI/AAAAAAAATUU/iHRQsArMipM/s1600/shrug.gif)

The Patriots low fumble rates STILL haven't changed. And Belichick tends to bench people who fumble, even if they are good players. Like Stevan Ridley, who fumbled a LOT when the Pats were supposedly using deflated balls. Maybe other teams should do better jobs emphasizing ball security. Patriots football over the years has generally been about avoiding mistakes and turnovers.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 24, 2016, 10:34:34 AM
I'm on the same side as Prime in regards to the DeflateGate stuff--I don't think anything really went down and the whole thing is overblown--but Prime is such a damn whiny baby about it that I want Brady to get suspended anyway.

I don't get how it's whining when my team is getting railroaded by a piece of SHIT commissioner who commissioned an investigation to fit a narrative he clearly wanted it to. Science proved that the balls used by the Pats in that Colts game were not deflated beyond what they would have been due to the weather conditions. This whole thing is bullshit and Goodell trying to fuck the Pats over a perceived slight that never actually happened.


Fuck Roger Goodell. I hope the US government files criminal charges against him and his co-conspirators for trying to fuck yet ANOTHER independent study on concussions.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 24, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
ah Bernard Pollard the best weapon against under-inflation

(http://cjzero.com/gifs/RidleyHitPollard.gif)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2043799/ridley.gif)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 24, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
seriously Prime you know good and well right or wrong the NFL is going to win this.

Tom Brady did all the right shit appealed appealed and appealed and finally won. And the NFL turned around and was like nope. End of the day most fans don't give a shit they just want to watch football on Sunday. Not to mention the NFLPA is a joke.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 24, 2016, 03:57:53 PM
seriously Prime you know good and well right or wrong the NFL is going to win this.

Tom Brady did all the right shit appealed appealed and appealed and finally won. And the NFL turned around and was like nope. End of the day most fans don't give a shit they just want to watch football on Sunday. Not to mention the NFLPA is a joke.

Probably, at the very least most NFL franchises have come around to the fact that the Patriots actually didn't do anything and Goodell is fucking them only to save face. But I'd rather Brady fight to the bitter end to protect his name rather than just cave to the League's bullshit. That's 4 games he'll want to get in tune with new additions like Bennett and such. Brady has a real shot to be the first Qb with 5 rings this season. The Pats are only going to have Bennett for one season.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 25, 2016, 02:44:09 PM
...

Dude, he doesn't need the four games. He's Tom Brady. I mean, yeah. He's a cheat, but he's probably the best QB the NFL ever had. And he's made a lot of players look way better than they are. The O-line is what should be the thing Brady is worried about.

And honestly, looking at the first four games, I think the Pats go 3-1. And the Cardinals is possible if Palmer pulls the same garbage he did in the playoffs.

And yeah, Goodell needs to be fired. He needed to be fired for sabotaging the Saints entire season.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 25, 2016, 04:22:41 PM
Brady isn't a cheat. We've gone over this several times.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 25, 2016, 06:01:10 PM
only people I know who destroy their phones are criminals
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on May 25, 2016, 06:50:09 PM
only people I know who destroy their phones are criminals

Utter bullshit. Unless Brady is being investigated by a law enforcement agency with a court-ordered warrant, Brady shouldn't have to turn his phone over to anyone, least of all a kangaroo court like the one the NFL is running. Just about everyone in the Western world keeps very sensitive info on their phone that is nobody's business but their own. He has plenty of reasons to not want a stranger looking through his personal information that have nothing to do with football inflation. What if Brady had info on the phone that showed he'd been unfaithful to his wife? Should he turn his phone over and risk it getting leaked? What about sensitive financial information? Or just pictures of his family? Because if you think that shit wouldn't be taken from the phone, I have a bridge to sell you.

If my boss asked to see my phone, I'd ask for a legal warrant signed by a judge. And on the off chance he had one, my phone might accidentally fall out of my pocket and get run over. I'd say most people would do the same.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 25, 2016, 11:31:21 PM
*thunderous applause*

The fact that no one understands this is hysterical. NO ONE would willingly just hand over there cell in a situation like this. NO ONE. To think anyone would, regardless of guilt or innocence, is absurd. He gave them his emails and the relevant texts between himself and the equipment guys. And people STILL were pouring through it for personal info (for instance, him saying Manning was done in 2 years...and he was right).
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on May 26, 2016, 04:11:07 AM
Honestly Prime I think most of them as going on with this because your acting so butt hurt over the whole thing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 26, 2016, 10:14:46 AM
No, PTF is really that ridiculous and gullible.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 26, 2016, 03:51:20 PM
only people I know who destroy their phones are criminals

Utter bullshit. Unless Brady is being investigated by a law enforcement agency with a court-ordered warrant, Brady shouldn't have to turn his phone over to anyone, least of all a kangaroo court like the one the NFL is running. Just about everyone in the Western world keeps very sensitive info on their phone that is nobody's business but their own. He has plenty of reasons to not want a stranger looking through his personal information that have nothing to do with football inflation. What if Brady had info on the phone that showed he'd been unfaithful to his wife? Should he turn his phone over and risk it getting leaked? What about sensitive financial information? Or just pictures of his family? Because if you think that shit wouldn't be taken from the phone, I have a bridge to sell you.

If my boss asked to see my phone, I'd ask for a legal warrant signed by a judge. And on the off chance he had one, my phone might accidentally fall out of my pocket and get run over. I'd say most people would do the same.


Not handing over your phone and smashing it to a million pieces are two very different things
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on May 27, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
Who cares?

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 27, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
No, PTF is really that ridiculous and gullible.

And Tom Brady is that dishonest and a cheat. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 28, 2016, 07:06:31 AM
I honestly believe in Mettenburger.

I think he can be the Titans' franchise QB.

I just don't see how Mariota fits The Titans system. And I still say Manziel can bounce back. Especially if he gets cut by the Browns

And I like Mettenburger

Just a few examples of why your opinion is completely worthless. Lol.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 28, 2016, 12:41:47 PM
Who cares?

Prime apparently
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 28, 2016, 04:29:03 PM
My hatred of Roger Goodell is everlasting and well documented.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on May 28, 2016, 04:33:59 PM
This is one of the reason I never got into following professional sports. People become so wrapped up in meaningless rivalries they let it override their sense of logic. It's like how soccer fans overlook the ridiculous flops seen in the typical match. They're fine with it - as long as it helps their team. I'd be embarrassed. The same goes for Brady's suspension. Hey, if it helps my team make the playoffs, it's justice!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 30, 2016, 09:34:40 AM
I honestly believe in Mettenburger.

I think he can be the Titans' franchise QB.

I just don't see how Mariota fits The Titans system. And I still say Manziel can bounce back. Especially if he gets cut by the Browns

And I like Mettenburger

Just a few examples of why your opinion is completely worthless. Lol.

Manziel did have talent....but he's also an addict who ruined everything. I just didn't think he was THIS bad. And it's a shame because he did much better than I thought with what the Browns had. But he's a bust because he refused to address his demons.

Mettenburger I did think he could be something, but he got David Carred by Whisenhunt. I mean...he kept FIVE frickin' TEs. And he sure as hell didn't use any of them to help the right side of the O-line because Mett and Mariota got destroyed. He did not give help to his QBs.

And Mariota was so underutilized in Whis's system. He hardly even ran. It was just these...ugh, damn just thinking about last season. I've never seen any coach who never adjusted at all. At anything before in my life. Mariota should have been allowed to move around instead of stay in a pocket where the right side just sucked and no running game.

Mett showed talent, but there's not much anyone can do when you're thrown to the wolves with hardly any WRs and no running game at all. And a RT who is a third round rookie who was a G in college. Yeah. That happened.

I have my doubts about Mularky but at least GM Robinson seems to have an idea on what the team should be. Beats the hell out of the other guy.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 30, 2016, 10:19:28 AM
Manziel is done
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 30, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
There is literally no one (except maybe Quan) who is more often dead wrong about QBs than PTF. No one.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Ditto on May 30, 2016, 12:43:03 PM
Not even skip bayless?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on May 30, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
He and PTF are about dead even. So no. Sadly PTF believes in Tebow just as much, if not more than Skip.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on May 30, 2016, 06:13:24 PM
bwahahahaha Tebow?! what?!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 01, 2016, 01:36:47 AM
Yeah, I said he'd get the Broncos into the playoffs when he took over. Mainly because...damn near every remaining team in the last nine games had their star player hurt. So I got the right record.

And I just think Tebow didn't get a chance. I mean, he had no TE and the play calls for the Broncos until the fourth quarter were run two times and then throw the ball. Can't exactly build up a rhythm like that. And he was never going to be a super all time player, just maybe an OK one. I mean, if you have the right breaks ( mainly key injuries) and defense like the Broncos did this time and have a questionable QB, you can still win.

Plus...I like Tebow because he annoyed the hell out of John Elway whenever he found a way to win. :)


And what other QB have I been wrong about? Yeah, Manziel is a bust but...c'mon, the Browns? I'd drink too. And he actually did look okay in what games he played, considering the talent. Unfortunately, he's an arrogant little rich prick who won't seek help.

The only recent QB I really haven't liked is Andrew Luck because he's a turnover machine and overrated.

But at least he's not a cheater like Tom Brady. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on June 01, 2016, 10:46:47 AM
Again, clearly PTF's opinion is worthless.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 01, 2016, 12:30:23 PM
You're the one who spent the time and effort to go back at my posts from months and years ago, so they have to have some value. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on June 01, 2016, 12:39:01 PM
I knew if I posted them, you'd go on a rant that would only serve to support what I've been saying.


Thank you for being so cooperative.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Ditto on June 01, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
Oh shit. Prime just zemo'd you.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 01, 2016, 08:54:38 PM
Oh shit. Prime just zemo'd you.

Oh god. The Winter Soldier killed my parents ?!? :)

Did he deflate Tom Brady's footballs, too!??!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on June 01, 2016, 11:30:18 PM
Have the mentioned PTF was SURE that Cardale Jones was a 1st round pick when he almost declared for the draft after Ohio state won the national championship two season back?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 02, 2016, 09:14:48 AM
Yeah. He really should have that year
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on August 24, 2016, 07:35:24 PM
wtf is up with Joey Bosa?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on August 24, 2016, 08:02:18 PM
Fighting the good fight, refusing to allow the Chargers to fuck him over.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 25, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
Yeah, I'm on Bosa's side on this. The Chargers are trying to put the screws to him.

Besides, Bosa seems like he's well off so maybe he can get traded or just go into the draft next year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on August 25, 2016, 03:25:19 PM
feel like he is missing out on a lot of money tho. Will see.

But I'd love if my team picks him up
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on August 25, 2016, 10:45:45 PM
Tony Romo aka "The Glass Man!"
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on August 25, 2016, 11:19:04 PM
He is done within the next 2 years. Body is just broken.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on August 26, 2016, 02:11:50 AM
hopefully he last long enough for Prescott to transition
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on August 27, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Romo out 6 to 10 weeks omg.

I love how everyone was saying he was fine after the hit and could have gone back in. The fuck. Seriously is that just the Cowboys spinning things to get fans to calm down or is it just bad reporting.


Romo is done. DONE
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on August 27, 2016, 09:14:32 PM
Yup
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on August 30, 2016, 03:42:52 PM
Bridgewater just destroyed his knee based on reports.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on August 30, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
Yup.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on August 31, 2016, 07:11:39 AM
The Denver Broncos' heads just whipped around like a cat hearing a can open. "HEYWHATWILLYOUGIVEUSFORMARKSANCHEZ???"
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on August 31, 2016, 07:36:03 AM
Very very little
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 01, 2016, 09:36:55 AM
Everyone knows there gonna get rid of him anyway why pay Denver for him.  Dude couldn't even take a job from rookies.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 01, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Here's thing. He can play okay for awhile, but if he turns the ball over once--it avalanches into turnovers throughout the game.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 03, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Holy shit, the Vikings just traded a first round pick AND a fourth round pick for Sam Bradford.

Potentially a top ten worst trade ever?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 03, 2016, 03:24:55 PM
Yeah you don't give up a first round for Sam Bradford.  A second maybe but not a first.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 03, 2016, 04:14:54 PM
And a week before the season starts. Yeah, this is just stupid. Has any QB been given so much while doing so little to earn it?

And the Titans don't have any of their draft picks from 2012-2015. So yeah, that explains a lot.

Sanchez was released by the Broncos.

Justin Gilbert traded to the Steelers for a sixth round pick.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 03, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
Cowboys just signed Sanchez hahahahaha
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 03, 2016, 10:13:10 PM
I won't cost us much unless he actually has to play a lot.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 04, 2016, 10:22:40 PM
I wonder how all the people in Boston are coping now that pretty boy Brady is gone for 4 games
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 05, 2016, 03:41:33 PM
Eh, I'm sure the Pats will find other ways to cheat.

Eh, normally I give altoon a long talk about The Cowboys sucking, Jerry Jones is an egotistical moron who should spend his days with his hookers instead of trying to run a team, and Romo is a broken back up QB...but I don't deserve the effort this year.

And I would love for Sanchez to play a few games this year. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 06, 2016, 05:47:04 PM
Dammit Rams and 49ers you are doing your game all wrong.

49ers start Kap! And Rams I demand you start Goff! And I say this as someone who has nothing to gain one way or the other by the outcome of this match...

And Fisher why aren't you picking up all those Titan players we dumped?!! Most of those second and third rounders are on practice squads now!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 06, 2016, 09:09:45 PM
How the fuck does Fisher still have a job as a head coach?
Damn ppl need to stop fucking with Brady's shit without his permission.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 06, 2016, 10:56:34 PM
Word is Fisher is going to get an extension. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 07, 2016, 01:44:07 AM
When the last time he had a winning season? And we know he won't have one this year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 07, 2016, 08:12:24 AM
Off the top of my head? Maybe when Vince Young saved his job by getting the Titans to nine or ten wins?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 07, 2016, 11:52:35 AM
I liked Fisher back when he had Eddie George than Chris Johnson.

Always felt they should have won that Super Bowl against the Rams

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 07, 2016, 03:11:57 PM
Vince Young was incredibly overrated and wasn't any good.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 07, 2016, 04:45:55 PM
Vince Young was incredibly overrated and wasn't any good.

(http://i.imgur.com/1j70CTR.gif)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 08, 2016, 03:22:23 PM
Vince Young was incredibly overrated and wasn't any good.

(http://i.imgur.com/1j70CTR.gif)

"Would you like to see my Young jersey?"
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 08, 2016, 04:51:26 PM
It's not like I'm wrong.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 08, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
But you are!

VY had the physical tools, but mentally...yeah. And it didn't help that Jeff Fisher went out of his way to sabotage him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 09, 2016, 12:32:52 AM
Jeff Fisher didn't want him, and Jeff Fisher was right. As mediocre as he is, he was right.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 09, 2016, 12:34:11 AM
There are going to be some serious fines coming from the League office for Broncos defenders. Wow. Teed the fuck OFF on Cam Newton's head.


Besides that, great game. What a way to kick off the season.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on September 09, 2016, 01:15:52 AM
Jeff Fisher didn't want him, and Jeff Fisher was right. As mediocre as he is, he was right.

Jeff Fisher can't put together a winning season with 22 years as a HC.  Clearly he doesn't know shit.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 09, 2016, 01:11:13 PM
Jeff Fisher didn't want him, and Jeff Fisher was right. As mediocre as he is, he was right.

Jeff Fisher wanted Jay Cutler. We've seen how well that's worked out.

His rookie year showed that he could win and he won a lot of those games on his own. The problem was he was mentally able to deal with the preassure plus dealing with a coach who is making your life hell.

And yeah, the refs sucked last night as I thought Cam was going to be KOed before the game was over. And that mars the game for me because--there's nearly 100 yards of penalty that wasn't called in a one point game!!

And Simean looked okay. Not great, but servicable. And it looks like the Panthers defense took a massive hit because they were all sorts of bad at points. I'm surprised they didn't leave a mint with all of that cushion.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Sarcastic Cat on September 09, 2016, 04:00:35 PM
With the Teams Jeff Fisher's coached he should have at least two Super Bowls. He lost the SB to the Rams where he got outreached.

Than in 2008 to 2009 the Titans had a great team should have won the Super Bowl, but the Ravens defense just annihilated them in the playoffs. One of the most physical games of the last 10 years.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 13, 2016, 04:15:29 AM
Wow. The Rams are horrible. I mean...I can't think of one thing they did right. Except Donald for getting thrown out of the game. That wasn't a punishment, that was mercy.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 13, 2016, 09:49:51 AM
Wow. The Rams are horrible. I mean...I can't think of one thing they did right. Except Donald for getting thrown out of the game. That wasn't a punishment, that was mercy.

He likely did it solely to get kicked out. "This is an embarrassing loss... but how can I get a head start on my post-loss drinking with all this time left on the clock?"

I thank the Rams for my week 1 fantasy win, as I had a slim lead with my opponent having Gurley and the Rams D left to play. But seriously, 28-0? Rams better get that new QB some play time quick and sort out this abysmal showing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 13, 2016, 01:10:48 PM
Well, the problem is Gurley's their only weapons, their offensive line sucks, QB can't throw at the first down marker and their best WR is only good for screens and balls thrown at the line of scrimmage. And the defense, save for that one guy, sucks.

I had Coty Sensabaugh on the Titans. He's the guy who Johnny Football abused. He was a back up.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on September 13, 2016, 03:04:30 PM
Jeff Fisher has to go. That and they need to make some serious investments at the skill positions
 Maybe get a GM who knows how to draft offensive lineman. Their line is trash, their receivers are trash, their QB is trash. It's basically just Gurley and everyone knows he is coming.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 14, 2016, 03:06:52 PM
Actually, I think the Rams should stay the course until the season is over. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 15, 2016, 10:22:38 PM
Jets pass game is legit, but they just keep giving up big plays to the Bills.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 16, 2016, 08:43:23 AM
Yeah, they have recievers but the Jets had to bring in everyone to get pressure because of all the injuries on the D-line and left the corners on their own.

But still...anyone remember when Rex's long hair brother used to be good at his job?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 16, 2016, 03:06:33 PM
And with that the offensive coordinator got fired.

I'm sorry, but Rex needs to take more control of that defense. I've seen Rex take practice squad guys and coach them up and put them in position to give the Pats problems. Rob has not been good at his job for years now.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 17, 2016, 01:41:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hIskJ9q.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 17, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
That's a shame. Dude had such a good rookie year.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 17, 2016, 09:49:00 PM
Yeah. But he keeps doing dumb things--like running into a guy.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Average John on September 18, 2016, 07:15:14 PM
The Rams own the Seahawks. Simple as that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 18, 2016, 07:42:33 PM
Yeah...and it's messing with the Titans draft position! Darn it, NOT BAMF! Why does your team always lose to the Rams--and they don't even have a QB or WR!!  And they have Jeff Fisher as a coach!

Also, Cousins stinks. Let's be honest. The guy just stinks. He's either throwing balls too low or getting intercepted.

Ezekiel might be a tad overrated. But hey, I got Derrick Henry so all is good.

Black Bortles...can we please stop pretending he's going to be great now? I admit he throws a nice deep ball--but I'll be damned if that's all he's got.

Well, I heard some people, Stephen Smith, talk about how Winston is great and how he rallies and is better than Mariota. Well, what about now that he played a defense?

Colts are 0-2. I am happy.

Texans are 2-0. I am not happy. And I'm even more upset that they get the Pats after the Giraffe got injured!! And as for Oisweilder--all they did was pick up the next Matt Schaub.

Raiders vs Falcons: The Battle of no defense! :)

Once again the Bengals prove how they are the Steelers rival by losing to them again.

Stupid Ravens. Let the BROWNS WIN!!! I want that first pick in the draft! I already know the Rams will win at least two games--SINCE THE SEAHAWKS WILL **** UP LIKE ALWAYS!!!

That crew that reffed the Titans-Lions game should be fired. I'm not joking. They were horrible. They cost the Lions a touchdown and missed two clear fumbles the Titans recovered. Even the commentators decided to spend a few seconds to explain how each call was bad.

Andrew Luck = OVERRATED. Peyton would have won that game and filmed a Direct TV commercial during half time.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on September 19, 2016, 09:33:38 AM
Everyone is going to own us this year. We barely beat the Dolphins and then got beat by St Louis. Seattle finishes no better than 6-10 this year. We may have the worst offensive line in NFL history.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on September 20, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
<——— 49ers fan

Stop your whining
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on September 20, 2016, 06:29:25 PM
Guys, guys, guys! You can BOTH be the worst.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clownprince23 on October 02, 2016, 03:09:23 PM
The panthers are stinking up this game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 02, 2016, 04:38:02 PM
Well, I guess Rex finally found a way to be Billecheck....just have him start a third string QB. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on October 03, 2016, 04:02:42 AM
Well, I guess Rex finally found a way to be Billecheck....just have him start a third string QB. :)
That's injured. Don't forget that.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 03, 2016, 06:48:53 PM
Oh yeah.

Man, are these Sundays rough. I think I actually would prefer it if The Titans got blown out if they were going to lose. I mean, I could save time and watch something else instead of keeping my hopes up only to be dashed back down to the valley.

...

That and the NFL channel really sucks now. I used to be able to watch four of the best games a week. Now it's one plus all the horrible prime time games.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on October 09, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
The Texans are pure hot garbage. Vikings are raping them.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on October 12, 2016, 04:04:23 PM
I need to see the Pats two TE set against a better D than Cleveland. But when Dion Lewis gets back? Lawd.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 06, 2016, 07:06:02 PM
So Golden Tate keeping the Lions alive and Gore with the second nice TD.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on November 07, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Has Goodell slit his wrists yet at the fact that the Patriots currently have the best record? If not, I can lend him a spoon.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 07, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
You know what I want, a NFL game where the flags aren't flying every other play. It's not even fun watching the NFL because of that garbage.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 07, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
You know what I want, a NFL game where the flags aren't flying every other play. It's not even fun watching the NFL because of that garbage.

Yea,  I've been seeing b the Hawks are catching more flags of late 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 07, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
Hey, try having the Charges out on downs and then--FLAG. Giving them I think it was three first downs in one session. UGGHHHH

Isn't it bad enough I have Coach Crap ruining Marcus Mariota? Can't I at least have some parts of the game enjoyable?

Oh and also--CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ****ING COWBOYS ALL THE TIME?! I get that they are doing well, but they are the Donald Trump of the NFL with all the nonstop talk I hear about them. First Take, Undisputed--all the sports show talk about them nonstop! I really miss when every team at least got a mention. Now if you're not the Cowboys or Patriots, you only get nothing.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 08, 2016, 06:01:32 PM
After last night...can Seahawk fans please stop talking about how refs are unfair--and can we please, NFL, please hire full time refs!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: JookDukem on November 08, 2016, 06:14:10 PM
Stafford is the GOAT.

STAFFDADDY IS THE ONLY NICKNAME TO GIVE HIM. IT'S SO DOPE.

LIONS 2017 SUPERBOWL CHAMPS.

#FACTS+BALLDONTLIE+BOTHTEAMSPLAYEDHARD+YOUPLAYTOWINTHEGAME+THEYAREWHOWETHOUGHTTHEYWERE+I'MBOUTTHATACTIONBOSS+HINKIEWASRIGHT+BALLGAME+ANYTHINGISPOSSIBLE+LALAMIGHTREALLYTASTELIKECHEERIOSTHOUGH+DUNCAN>>KOBE+CUBSSTILLSUCK+HAHAHATHEBROWNS+THEY'RESOBAD+HAHAHAHAHA+BUTSTILLNOTASASSASTHEENTIRESTARWARSAGA
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on November 09, 2016, 10:32:10 PM
Lol
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 10, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
The Lions are doing pretty good so far.


But as a fan, I know how fast that can change.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 20, 2016, 07:15:52 PM
I'm not a Dallas fan.   But  muthafuckin Dak!



The Hawks are working the fuck out of the Eagles! 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 20, 2016, 07:21:56 PM
Yeah, I think Wentz might have been anointed prematurely...

And my worst fear has come to pass. The Dallas Cowboys have realized that Romo is no better than a back-up and found a better QB!! :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on November 21, 2016, 02:15:42 AM
9-1 baby
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 12, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
Waaaa they actually fired Jeff Fisher
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on December 16, 2016, 12:25:26 AM
Hawks got in the Rams' ass.  Balls deep. 

 :o :o  :o

they should have kept the coach so that he could earn that losing record.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 26, 2016, 09:22:57 AM
Well, my nightmare has finally happened...The Cowboys benched Tony "Backup QB" Romo and got a decent QB now. Curse you Stephen Jones and your ability. But I still have faith in Jerry Jones being a moron and screwing everything up somehow. :)

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 27, 2016, 03:11:23 PM
And will still be better than the Titans. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on December 29, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
So who do you think is gonna be stupid enough to give New England a 1st and 4th pick for there back-up QB?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2016, 09:05:13 AM
When in doubt...The Browns. :)

Honestly, if I'm The Browns, I'd try trading the first pick for more because--I got to see a large number of Browns game for some unholy reasoning I don't get and--they suck at everything. Every position. Well, save Joe Thomas. They just need so much help it's insane.



Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 02, 2017, 04:52:31 AM
Fuck no. They should keep the pick and draft Myles Garrett first overall. Then they should either trade their second 1st rounder to NE for Garoppolo and NE's 1st round pick, or draft the best QB available.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 03, 2017, 10:34:57 AM
Shit I forgot they had two first round picks.  That actually a smart move for the Brown cause we know they sure as hell don't know how to draft a QB.  Still a suckers trade for whoevers dumb enough to take it.  Your most likely ending up with Osweiler and NE playcalling made him look better than he really is.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2017, 03:41:41 PM
Fuck no. They should keep the pick and draft Myles Garrett first overall. Then they should either trade their second 1st rounder to NE for Garoppolo and NE's 1st round pick, or draft the best QB available.

Dammit, Prime! Stop taking advantage of really stupid NFL Teams! :)

I still think the Browns should try and trade the first pick because...they had to be the worst team I've ever seen. I mean, yeah, the Lions lost all their games, but they were in a good majority and had a tough schedule. At least with them I saw stuff you could build on. The best the Browns have is a QB turned WR. You need some draft picks to build up the foundation (The o and d lines) so your team will always have at least a shot at victory.


Anyway, focus on the Titans who also have two first round picks. 5 and 18! (Damn Rams, overachieved by two games)

5th pick: Mike Williams. Mariota needs a number one WR and I really like Mike Williams. He's probably my favorite player in this draft...and I'm an SEC guy admitting that. Taking him with the first Titans pick because I don't think he'll last until the 18th pick.

18th: Whatever top CB you want. This is actually pretty good for the Titans. It's heavy on what the Titans really need! Seriously, after Perrish Cox and Valentino Blake, I'll take anyone! I think the Alabama guy and Florida CB might still be here so either one.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 15, 2017, 08:05:47 AM
Wow. Good thing the Texans don't have a competent QB or the Pats would have lost that game last night.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 15, 2017, 03:49:22 PM
Not necessarily true at all.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 16, 2017, 05:38:30 PM
Well, it seems a few teams didn't want those wins.  I told my girl not to underestimate  Aaron Rodgers and GB.  He put work in last week.  I knew he was going to win.  Atlanta I wasn't sure about.  Their fucking De was what did it for them. Both good games. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on January 19, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
Aaron Rodgers is the most skilled QB of all time.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 20, 2017, 02:09:30 AM
Dear lord, am I sick of Aaron Rodgers. He made a pass against a crappy secondary against a team with an idiot head coach who can't set an alarm clock much less manage the clock of a game.

I can't wait for Atlanta to curbstomp the Packers so this garbage stops.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on January 21, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
Dear lord, am I sick of Aaron Rodgers. He made a pass against a crappy secondary against a team with an idiot head coach who can't set an alarm clock much less manage the clock of a game.

I can't wait for Atlanta to curbstomp the Packers so this garbage stops.
Aaron makes throws no one else can.  His team isn't anything special and he's the best.  That throw was amazing on a 3rd and 20.  Atlanta clearly has the super team but so did Dallas.  Look what happened to Dallas.  Rodgers has no weaknesses.  No QB has his combined skills in the history of the game.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on January 22, 2017, 06:23:47 PM
This time the super team looks to prevail. Didn't help that GB's defense couldn't force a turnover those 3 times they easily could have in the first half.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 22, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
So, it's the Pats and Atlanta this year. 

Totally, unexpected. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on January 23, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
This time the super team looks to prevail. Didn't help that GB's defense couldn't force a turnover those 3 times they easily could have in the first half.
GB's defense was putrid.  Those dbs should off themselves.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: DarthAlani on January 24, 2017, 04:07:56 PM
Rodgers is clearly one of the best QB's of all-time but Matt Ryan has clearly been the best this year.

Unfortunately he is going against the best of all-time in the SB. It's going to be a great game.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on January 25, 2017, 10:08:04 AM
So am I alone in thinking NE is going to win this by at least two TDs?
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 25, 2017, 11:09:39 AM
Yes. It's a toss up to me.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: DarthAlani on January 25, 2017, 11:35:51 AM
Going to come down to whatever defense makes more stops.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: thetruth on January 25, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
I think ATL will make close...But ultimately, I think NE has just done it too often.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on January 25, 2017, 07:32:54 PM
*remembers NE losing two Super Bowls to the less talented Giants* Can't imagine how the Pats could lose this one guys.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Panthergod on January 25, 2017, 09:13:43 PM
*remembers NE losing two Super Bowls to the less talented Giants* Can't imagine how the Pats could lose this one guys.
Eli has no power here.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on January 25, 2017, 10:49:23 PM
*remembers NE losing two Super Bowls to the less talented Giants* Can't imagine how the Pats could lose this one guys.

Silver bullet. Giants matched up well to the Patriots, so they won.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Panthergod on January 25, 2017, 11:22:46 PM
And the Pats receivers choked at pivotal moments.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on January 26, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
I want the Pats to win. Then Brady hands the game ball to Goodell on national TV and whispers in his ear, "It was my privilege." Goodell slits his wrists as Brady hops on a LOTR eagle and flies off into the sunset.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Master on January 26, 2017, 02:40:37 PM
LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 05, 2017, 04:17:37 AM
Today is the big dance.  I think Atlanta's Defense takes it to them. It's definitely what helped them to cut the Seahawks down. 
Offense is strong.  They will make a battle out of this and take it to The Pats. 
I can honestly see ATl getting their first ring here. 
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: scourge on February 05, 2017, 08:27:18 PM
It's looking that way at the half
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 05, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Ya, I'm peeping that.  So, far is been Atl's game. 

Horrible onside kick.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 05, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
And the moral to take from this Superbowl...Jerks always win in life.

Well, that and Matt Ryan will give you one good play followed by four awful ones.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Panthergod on February 05, 2017, 10:32:43 PM
Greatest Quarterback of All Time. Cry more.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
Brady should tell Goodell to check his balls for him. Get fucking wrecked, Roger.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: DarthAlani on February 05, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
Tom Brady is the best player in NFL history.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Ditto on February 05, 2017, 10:57:23 PM
Hahahahaha. This game went from unwatchable to instant classic in less than half an hour. I dislike both teams but anyone denying Brady at this point is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 05, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
Well, i really didn't have a team here. Figured, Odds were in Atl's favor.  When they got RKO'd and this suddenly became a WWE match.

Here enjoy my boy Jay Hollingsworth's tweets for the game.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BigIrishJay
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2017, 09:34:07 AM
Yeah, Tom Brady's the best of all time. And The Falcons...man, did they get dumb in the second half. They are in field goal range with time winding down...Matt Ryan takes another stupid sack and the holding call. They should have just ran the ball and got the easy fieldgoal.


Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: pittfox on February 06, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
They also did a 5 step drop on 3rd and 1 deep in their own territory when Ryan got sacked and fumbled.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2017, 10:51:15 AM
That's the Patriots real strength. Teams get dumb playing them.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Not BAMF on February 06, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
I went to bed at 28-3. That final score is crazy.

Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Panthergod on February 06, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
Brady>Joe Montana. Perriod.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Hulkster on February 06, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/top-nfl-quarterbacks-all-time/?page=15
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Clock on February 07, 2017, 07:36:21 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/top-nfl-quarterbacks-all-time/?page=15

It hasn't been updated since it only mention six SB's for Brady.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: skyrider on February 07, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
Tom Brady is the GOAT
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on February 08, 2017, 02:17:26 AM
Brady>Joe Montana. Perriod.
It was up for debate until Sunday. Tom is the fucking GREATEST. Not just greatest QB; greatest PERIOD.

He SHOULD be 7-0. The 2 he lost, if I remember correctly, he'd led the team on a game-winning drive. Fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on February 14, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Brady>Joe Montana. Perriod.
It was up for debate until Sunday. Tom is the fucking GREATEST. Not just greatest QB; greatest PERIOD.

He SHOULD be 7-0. The 2 he lost, if I remember correctly, he'd led the team on a game-winning drive. Fucking ridiculous.
No..the 2 he lost were because the Giants scored game winning drives!he's still the GOAT doe
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on February 15, 2017, 03:33:05 AM
I'm aware the Giants won, doofus. What I'm saying is he'd led his team on a game-winning drive both times, and then had to sit on the bench while his defense blew the lead (and game).
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: INDRA THUNDERER on February 15, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
I'm aware the Giants won, doofus. What I'm saying is he'd led his team on a game-winning drive both times, and then had to sit on the bench while his defense blew the lead (and game).
Don't hate on the only team to beat him wench!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on February 16, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
Brady>Joe Montana. Perriod.
It was up for debate until Sunday. Tom is the fucking GREATEST. Not just greatest QB; greatest PERIOD.

He SHOULD be 7-0. The 2 he lost, if I remember correctly, he'd led the team on a game-winning drive. Fucking ridiculous.

You're correct Skelton. Led a late 4th quarter drive to take the lead in both Super Bowls against the Giants...and then watched the defense give up that lead from the bench. Also, I still think that if Gronk didn't have that high ankle sprain that needed surgery that basically nerfed him for that 2011 Super Bowl, the Patriots win that game HANDILY.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on March 11, 2017, 03:28:50 AM
The Patriots should have lost the last 2 superbowls but apparently team forget what run plays are at the end of the 4 quarter
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 11, 2017, 09:34:51 AM
That's not true...The Falcons forgot for the entire second half.

And yeah...team's just get dumb when playing that Pats for reasons that vex me. I mean...who throws the damn ball at the two  yard line with a time out and Lynch? But hey, the Pats do take advantage of their idiocy like they should.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: MTL76 on March 11, 2017, 09:54:29 AM
People panic in the presence of greatness.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 11, 2017, 03:03:11 PM
People panic with giant leads going into the second half or two yards away from winning the superbowl with a time out and a RB who has been shredding the Pats D?

That's like finding Dracula's coffin at about four PM, having the stake pressed against his heart...and waiting until sunset before you reach for the hammer.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Ditto on March 11, 2017, 03:34:18 PM
I think it's just a case of them trying to "outcoach" or catch bellichick by surprise, which is rarely possible.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 11, 2017, 11:04:28 PM
Yeah, but those are cases where you have it won. I mean, Atlanta, you run the ball, you've one. Instead they kept making stupid long passes and tired their defense out. Seattle, you run Lynch, you probably win. Hell, Tom Brady knew he lost that Super Bowl. But Pete Carroll is an idiot who had problems with Lynch during the season.

I mean, that ain't going to happen this season. Pats have won. I mean, The Colts gave them their best TE and the Saints gave them their best WR. It's over. So...another lackluster season. The only way this becomes competitive is if some team catches the Pats napping in a playoff game...and doesn't coach like morons or Tom Brady gets hurt.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 07, 2019, 01:13:52 AM
Well, this round of the playoffs has taught me two things.

1. Never count out the underdog.

2. Don't play against the Dallas Cowboys when Walt Anderson is the ref--well, that's more of a reaffirming of something I knew. Sorry NOT BAMF. You and your fanbase may continue to throw garbage at refs as you like. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 07, 2019, 01:41:10 AM
So throwing a WR to the ground shouldn't get a pass interference call?.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 07, 2019, 03:55:23 AM
What Beasley...he fell!

Let's see if I remember right...

Dallas got away with a PI when the defender didn't turn around and plowed into the Seahawk.
A blatant face mask
That Amari Cooper catch which wasn't because he never had control and it was clearly moving in his hands when he hit the ground.
Those two back to back pass interferences one where there was no hook or pull and the other were Beasley fell the the ground because of his ankle.
And a BS hold.

Face it, the only reason you're team won their division because all the other teams suffered major injuries while your team managed to stay healthy...and the other team in your division is the Giants. :)

But I'm happy your team won. That just means Jerry Jones will keep one of the worst coaches in the NFL for at least five more years.

Oh, and maybe you can help me with something. They keep saying the Cowboys only lost one home game--who was that one home lost by? :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on January 07, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
Well it appears we beat the Eagles because they played the wrong QB.  And Washington wasn't going to win because there waay more dysfunctional than my team anyway.

I'm hoping Stephen A comes back to Dallas this week.  It almost seems they win after his visits just to spite him.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 07, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
The Eagles have a great back-up, which my team did. But we settled for Joe Dirt. And to all Titan fans who told me to shut up about Kapernick and Gabbert would be fine--dumbasses. All of you. :)

And Washington has, what, over twenty players on IR. A good portion of their starting o-line. And yeah, there was some dysfunction because--that safety shouldn't have got cut because he was right. Gabbert can't read zone coverage. 8 years and a multitude of coaches and he can't get the basics. I was shocked as hell when they kept going man to man.

...

And disappointed because the Colts are idiots. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 04, 2019, 09:15:20 AM
Well, last night sucked.

The Superbowl was boring.

Obviously, the wrong team went in on the NFC side

...And The Bud Knight died by way of crossover with a horribly overrated show.

A horrible, terrible night. :(
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Prime on February 04, 2019, 01:51:26 PM
I liked the game, enjoyed watching the chess match with both defenses. Of course the Pat's getting Lombardi no 6 also helps. I mean it had been a whole 99 days since Boston had felt championship glory. I was starting to get itchy.

City of Champions!
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Panthergod on February 04, 2019, 02:43:00 PM

Well, last night sucked.

The Superbowl was boring.

Obviously, the wrong team went in on the NFC side

...And The Bud Knight died by way of crossover with a horribly overrated show.

A horrible, terrible night. :(
Cry. More.

I'll be enjoying the parade tomorrow. 8)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 05, 2019, 04:32:19 AM
I liked the game, enjoyed watching the chess match with both defenses. Of course the Pat's getting Lombardi no 6 also helps. I mean it had been a whole 99 days since Boston had felt championship glory. I was starting to get itchy.

City of Champions!

Well, it was about as exciting as a chess match. Honestly, when the Saints got screwed, I stopped caring. It was just tainted by the usual NFL ref incompetence--oh yeah, I'm talking to Pats fans about the refs. :)


Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 22, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
https://www.wcvb.com/article/patriots-owner-robert-kraft-charged-in-florida-prostitution-sting/26429577

Have fun guys. :)
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on February 22, 2019, 07:50:58 PM
I'm surprised you figure he has mistresses like other billionaires.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: ProjectCornDog on February 23, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
Anyone else here doesn't give a rat's ass about Robert Kraft?

Dude is single, old, and was in a consensual situation with adults. I see zero issue.
Title: Re: NFL General Talk
Post by: altoon on February 23, 2019, 11:43:37 PM
Don't think it was consensual.