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Members' Corner => Hall of Fame => Topic started by: gokenadams on August 28, 2018, 06:41:21 PM
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616 spidey
can he tank a point blank grenade?
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Nuke, no, grenade, yes. Doesn't he tank those fairly often against the goblins?
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Fuck no he can't tank a nuke.
You're even worse than the poster who is literally just an FBI artificial intelligence.
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What?
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How does Spidey tank a grenade, I can see him dealing with the concussive burst of a Goblin bomb but grenade implies shrapnel, he can't dodge all of that.
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616 spidey
can he tank a point blank grenade?
Do you think Spider-man can tank a nuke?
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What a scene that would be.
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Spider-Man obviously can't tank a nuke. I don't think he could tank a point blank grenade either on average. The Punisher rocked him pretty hard with a grenade a few years ago, and was able to steal one of his web-shooters and escape because of it.
As far as pumpkin bombs go, Ben Reilly once shielded Flash Thompson from a pumpkin bomb blast with his body, and had to bandage his torso immediately afterwards, but he wasn't put down by it.
There's another instance which comes to mind where Macendale Hobgoblin tossed a pumpkin bomb at Peter while he was floating in water, and somewhat groggy due to having been gassed not long before that, and it was implied that the bomb would've killed him, had Moon Knight not detonated it prior to impact with one of his throwing weapons.
Come to think of it, there's another instance from the Silver Age where it was explicitly stated that a direct hit from a pumpkin bomb would've been fatal to Peter, and although he was able to avoid a direct hit by parrying the incoming bomb with his webbing, he was still knocked unconscious by it going off near him.
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Spider-Man obviously can't tank a nuke. I don't think he could tank a point blank grenade either on average. The Punisher rocked him pretty hard with a grenade a few years ago, and was able to steal one of his web-shooters and escape because of it.
As far as pumpkin bombs go, Ben Reilly once shielded Flash Thompson from a pumpkin bomb blast with his body, and had to bandage his torso immediately afterwards, but he wasn't put down by it.
There's another instance which comes to mind where Macendale Hobgoblin tossed a pumpkin bomb at Peter while he was floating in water, and somewhat groggy due to having been gassed not long before that, and it was implied that the bomb would've killed him, had Moon Knight not detonated it prior to impact with one of his throwing weapons.
Come to think of it, there's another instance from the Silver Age where it was explicitly stated that a direct hit from a pumpkin bomb would've been fatal to Peter, and although he was able to avoid a direct hit by parrying the incoming bomb with his webbing, he was still knocked unconscious by it going off near him.
you should brush on some spidey comics, Spider-Man cantank a point blank grenade explosion
(https://s8.postimg.cc/x1a40x9fl/sww.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x1a40x9fl/)
this is a warhead missle that still clearly hits peter
(https://s8.postimg.cc/fnztm4r01/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fnztm4r01/)
fully conscious with again, minimal damage
(https://s8.postimg.cc/i5bktgns1/fcy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i5bktgns1/)
An actual grenade level explosion, hitting peter
(https://s8.postimg.cc/m1owphqs1/wse.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m1owphqs1/)
Zero damage, except for a torn suit
(https://s8.postimg.cc/3m4fs4f8h/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3m4fs4f8h/)
^Scan blatantly explains that the doombot explosion is equal to that of a m67 grenade BTW
I recall one where Electro blew up a portion of building top with Peter in it and it didn't even knock Pete down.
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
learn how to read
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Learn how to post a topic. The subject you ask about a nuke the body you ask about a grenade.
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No he can't tank a nuke.
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When the hell did Herochat become a Special Education class where we have to teach this Down Syndrome patient the difference between nukes and grenades?
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you should brush on some spidey comics, Spider-Man cantank a point blank grenade explosion
(https://s8.postimg.cc/x1a40x9fl/sww.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/x1a40x9fl/)
This scene doesn't show Spidey tanking a grenade.
this is a warhead missle that still clearly hits peter
(https://s8.postimg.cc/fnztm4r01/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fnztm4r01/)
fully conscious with again, minimal damage
(https://s8.postimg.cc/i5bktgns1/fcy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/i5bktgns1/)
You're not giving the full picture here. We see in the previous issue that the missile detonates in the sea, some distance away from Peter.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-523?id=4704#24
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Fuo_B_vAumvle4ZD06DYNzvnIDn9zgzW-WtHJ8R8QFS5pskzGDdCoT04OKSN7Q20xH8lUbiiQBya=s1600)
And he was unconscious for two days after that. Maybe you have a different notion of what it means to 'tank' something than I do, because merely surviving something isn't the same as tanking it in my book. Tanking something suggests to me that you were able to stand up to that thing, like a human tank.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-524?id=4705#5
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/fKNfcZ2SYM8OpHWOGOEAdU6UyjF-_RLsb73gk-L7KWPsMXFDEaBqsjtlH-TO13XgzMCF-ORw2c0Z=s1600)
An actual grenade level explosion, hitting peter
(https://s8.postimg.cc/m1owphqs1/wse.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/m1owphqs1/)
Zero damage, except for a torn suit
(https://s8.postimg.cc/3m4fs4f8h/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3m4fs4f8h/)
^Scan blatantly explains that the doombot explosion is equal to that of a m67 grenade BTW
Yeah, but he appears to be dodging the explosion in that panel (it goes off somewhere behind or beside him, not on him). He doesn't dodge the one on the following page, but that wasn't point blank, as the Doombot exploded on Colossernaut's fist, and Spidey was some distance away from him.
I recall one where Electro blew up a portion of building top with Peter in it and it didn't even knock Pete down.
There are instances where Spidey has arguably withstood force equivalent to a grenade going off, but I've never seen him tank an actual grenade point blank.
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
learn how to read
Learn how to post a topic. The subject you ask about a nuke the body you ask about a grenade.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/17413ad88f36b991f98c69d29be3eb67/tumblr_oby5brV38Q1vbe7guo1_1280.jpg)
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
learn how to read
Try reading the title of your thread, it asks "Can Spiderman tank a nuke?"
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If he can walk off a building falling on him, he can walk off a grenade
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If he can walk off a building falling on him, he can walk off a grenade
That's not how grenades work. Do you know anything at all?
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Gokenadams may be the single most retarded poster in HC history.
Screw it, he definitely is.
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I still vote dlb because this kid can at least type complete sentences and I'm pretty sure goken is like 13 or so, but he's definitely a runner up
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webbing doomsday bunker ftw
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He can tank a nuke grenade
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He can tank a Nuka-Cola
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How good is Spiderman healing these days? More like Cap's accelerated healing or some kind of slight healing factor.
Now I wonder if someone like Daken or Deathstroke could tank a grenade.
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Spidey definitely heals faster than normal people, mentioned quite a few times over the years. Not sure quite how fast Cap's healing is to compare the two.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/5w6LcYwAHpFt7oKcEIT1-vwD9OhvxXI0iyrH48FtofqYleRobLPnCBYM80sB2-lql40qKGgURmE0=s1600)
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He can tank a Nuka-Cola
(https://vorpalbunnyranch.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/vaultboythumbsup1.jpg)
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
learn how to read
I upvoted goken because after having the audacity to make such a retarded thread he still found the balls to insult someone who didn't deserve it whatsoever. This is the entertainment I was looking for.
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Are we talking about nukes or grenades here? Because those are two very different explosions.
learn how to read
I upvoted goken because after having the audacity to make such a retarded thread he still found the balls to insult someone who didn't deserve it whatsoever. This is the entertainment I was looking for.
And my hat's off to him for still refusing to edit his own thread title or at least accept responsibility. That shows a level of stubbornness that is just impressive.
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Can a grenade tank Spider Man?
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Can a tank tank a grenade?
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Not if you toss it down the muzzle
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Not sure if a made in China Tank can tank a made in China grenade.
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If Spider-Man is driving around in a tank, and you throw a grenade at a nuke, what happens?
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Do you know what happens when a toad is struck by lightning?
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Can a tank full of grenades Spider-Man a nuke?
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How many tanks could Spider-Man tank, if Spider-Man could tank tanks?
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If you nuke a tank with Spider-Man in it does he make a sound?
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Spidey should be 'almost' bullet proof as regards standard handgun rounds.
Going by the POM Spidey punches harder than a point-blank grenade blast so he should be able to take several grenades before being concussed (unless someone shoves the grenade into his mouth).
A single attack capable of killing Spidey would need to be in the range of a Wonder Man punch; which I rate as multiple tons of TNT.
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Grenades don't harm you by the impact. It harms you by shrapnel and piercing damage is not the same as blunt damage.
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Spidey should be 'almost' bullet proof as regards standard handgun rounds.
Going by the POM Spidey punches harder than a point-blank grenade blast so he should be able to take several grenades before being concussed (unless someone shoves the grenade into his mouth).
A single attack capable of killing Spidey would need to be in the range of a Wonder Man punch; which I rate as multiple tons of TNT.
That's not how grenades work.
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POM is the dumbest shit. FoH with POM
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Yeah it is.
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I can understand where Upper Krust is coming from, comparing Spidey's toughness to the minimum range of Stainless steel's compressive, impact, tensile, and yield would exceed all of it collectively making him funxtionally bulley proof.
That's what should happen, but unfortunately that's not how comics works or portrays it in Spidey's case who's flesh seems no more durable to tear and wear than a normal human when it comes to slice/pierce damage.
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His skin isn't like steel. It's like dense rubber. It can withstand blunt impact but you can still stab and slice it.
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I can understand where Upper Krust is coming from, comparing Spidey's toughness to the minimum range of Stainless steel's compressive, impact, tensile, and yield would exceed all of it collectively making him funxtionally bulley proof.
That's what should happen, but unfortunately that's not how comics works or portrays it in Spidey's case who's flesh seems no more durable to tear and wear than a normal human when it comes to slice/pierce damage.
That doesn't make any sense and isn't supported by 50 years of appearances. He doesn't have an exoskeleton or the kind of skin you're describing.
His endoskeletal structure is capable of withstanding large amounts of blunt force trauma, but can still be pierced. Marvel editorial actually went over this a couple of times in letters pages. I think Stan himself did in Stan's Soapbox, also.
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In comics, being able to take a punch is a function of strength, but being able to take piercing/cutting damage requires having the hard-skin power. We often think of durability going hand in hand with strength because most massively super-strong characters also have the hard-skin power. But it is not, in the minds of writers, an automatic thing. If a character hasn't been specifically stated as having skin as hard as steel or diamond or whathaveyou, you can't assume they have it, even if they have massive superstrength.
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Taking a punch does not have to be related to strength. I can name multiple characters who's damage soak is unrelated to their strength.
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That doesn't make any sense and isn't supported by 50 years of appearances. He doesn't have an exoskeleton or the kind of skin you're describing.
It makes perfect sense, you're just not keeping up :P
I'm fully aware the way Spidey is portrayed in the comics doesn't match what he would actually be capable of, I'm not contesting that, what I am saying is that his toughness is realistically inconsistent or paradoxical to what it shoild actually be.
Like him technically being capable of jumping over 1/7th of a mile, but no writer actually protrays him anywhere near that level.
A 9mm caliber bullet is 1/10th the surface area of a human fist per square inch, yet Spidey is pierced through these same bullets no different than any normal human being which suggests his skin, muscles, and tendons are identical across his entire body to normals humans which makes zero sense.
That suggests the same force spreaded out in a human fist would do serious damage to him which is only 1,387.071 lbs in force, yet Spiderman has endured forceds10-20 times (many levels passed the threshold zone) that with minor to no injuries.
In order for Spidey to punch through, shatter or bend sturdy material like iron/steel with his bare hands his flesh would have to have similar yield, tensile, yield, and Young's modulus to it or higher, otherwise he would end up completely rupturing his flesh on contact.
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That doesn't make any sense and isn't supported by 50 years of appearances. He doesn't have an exoskeleton or the kind of skin you're describing.
It makes perfect sense, you're just not keeping up :P
I'm fully aware the way Spidey is portrayed in the comics doesn't match what he would actually be capable of, I'm not contesting that, what I am saying is that his toughness is realistically inconsistent or paradoxical to what it shoild actually be.
Like him technically being capable of jumping over 1/7th of a mile, but no writer actually protrays him anywhere near that level.
A 9mm caliber bullet is 1/10th the surface area of a human fist per square inch, yet Spidey is pierced through these same bullets no different than any normal human being which suggests his skin, muscles, and tendons are identical across his entire body to normals humans which makes zero sense.
That suggests the same force spreaded out in a human fist would do serious damage to him which is only 1,387.071 lbs in force, yet Spiderman has endured forceds10-20 times (many levels passed the threshold zone) that with minor to no injuries.
In order for Spidey to punch through, shatter or bend sturdy material like iron/steel with his bare hands his flesh would have to have similar yield, tensile, yield, and Young's modulus to it or higher, otherwise he would end up completely rupturing his flesh on contact.
So it's more that you're overanalyzing comics vs reality than anything that has actually taken place in the books?
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So it's more that you're overanalyzing comics vs reality than anything that has actually taken place in the books?
No, what I'm stating is that his durability does not accurately match his actual shown and stated super strength because "comics yo", that's different.
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So it's more that you're overanalyzing comics vs reality than anything that has actually taken place in the books?
No, what I'm stating is that his durability does not accurately match his actual shown and stated super strength because "comics yo", that's different.
DIGUSTING
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Grenades don't harm you by the impact. It harms you by shrapnel and piercing damage is not the same as blunt damage.
I'm talking about overall power and damage.
Or can we not (under the Neo, Xerx, Wyntyr alliance of buffoons) compare Superman's Heat Vision to his punches in overall capability!? Can we not compare Thor's lightning to a blow from his hammer!? Can we not compare Hulk's Thunderclap to one of his punches, etc.
Obviously we can so feel free to stop talking rubbish while patting each other on the back.
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I can understand where Upper Krust is coming from, comparing Spidey's toughness to the minimum range of Stainless steel's compressive, impact, tensile, and yield would exceed all of it collectively making him funxtionally bulley proof.
Good to know sensible people still exist on these forums.
That's what should happen, but unfortunately that's not how comics works or portrays it in Spidey's case who's flesh seems no more durable to tear and wear than a normal human when it comes to slice/pierce damage.
I agree with you here. They usually treat Spidey as more or less human from some forms of damage.
However, his amazing strength would almost certainly require far tougher skin, tendons, muscles and bones to withstand the rigors of his activities, lifting feats and fights.
By my (love em or hate em) calculations Spidey should almost be bullet-proof (for typical hand guns). Such gunshots may well break his skin but I doubt they would penetrate areas of muscle.
Just as Superheroes can battle foes vastly stronger and survive their attacks, by a similar capacity Spidey should be able to survive large explosions we otherwise THINK would kill him.
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Yes, a person who can press 10-15 tons should be bullet proof theoretically but Spidey has shown that he is not bullet proof. Comics can be like that. Hell, there was a debate as to whether or not Thor was bulletproof and AFAIK, it's never been 100% settled.
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Why would they need to be bullet proof? They would just need an interior frame (bones, muscles, tendons) to support the weight. Their skin really isn't doing much.
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Why would they need to be bullet proof? They would just need an interior frame (bones, muscles, tendons) to support the weight. Their skin really isn't doing much.
Well, bullet resistant is probably a better word. A bullet will break the skin but I doubt it would go through the body and cause any major harm. Ultimately, my point is that comics is comics and we shouldn't worry about it.
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Yes, a person who can press 10-15 tons should be bullet proof theoretically but Spidey has shown that he is not bullet proof. Comics can be like that. Hell, there was a debate as to whether or not Thor was bulletproof and AFAIK, it's never been 100% settled.
Problem with someone like Thor is that even going by bios he weights 3X the weight a human being of the same height\build would.
That's because of his increased density.
That said, these are comics and I wouldnt be happy to see Spidey or Cap soaking bullets.
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That said, these are comics and I wouldnt be happy to see Spidey or Cap soaking bullets.
Would that make Spidey in your eyes too powerful if he was shrugging off bullets and jumping 1/3rd a mile above skyscrapers?
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That said, these are comics and I wouldnt be happy to see Spidey or Cap soaking bullets.
Would that make Spidey in your eyes too powerful if he was shrugging off bullets and jumping 1/3rd a mile above skyscrapers?
that would make him the Grey Hulk
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Grenades don't harm you by the impact. It harms you by shrapnel and piercing damage is not the same as blunt damage.
I'm talking about overall power and damage.
Or can we not (under the Neo, Xerx, Wyntyr alliance of buffoons) compare Superman's Heat Vision to his punches in overall capability!? Can we not compare Thor's lightning to a blow from his hammer!? Can we not compare Hulk's Thunderclap to one of his punches, etc.
Obviously we can so feel free to stop talking rubbish while patting each other on the back.
Grenades cause damage with a small concussive blast and a considerable amount of shrapnel that rips through a general area.
That's not the same way a punch damages. That's not the same way a nuke damages.
I was regretfully assuming even you were smart enough to know what the hell a grenade is.
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HOF This shit.
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Seconded
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You guys don't understand. It's not the shrapnel that kills you it's the concussion.
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Going by the POM
No one does that
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HOF confirmed.