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Title: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 26, 2018, 01:40:04 AM
Example, the Riddick character from PITCH BLACK to CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK.
In the original he was no doubt badass, but got captured and recaptured, and had believable competition w. one bounty hunter.
In the sequel he was taking out bounty hunters left and right, trained necro soldiers and leaders, killing ppl w. tea cups, to say nothing of the light not seeming to bother his eyes, when it was a major weakness in the original.

The third movie seemed to have settled somewhere in between the two renditions.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 26, 2018, 07:46:22 AM
No one?
Okay, got a few more, but didnt want to take anyone’s:

Bruce Campbell in the EVIL DEAD franchise. He spent the original cowering and/or hiding in fear. The sequel had him as the star, cutting off his own hand fighting the darkness 1 on 1. By the third he was a basically unstoppable (if dumb af) killing machine, and dont even get me started on how awesome he is in the series.

Rambo. In the original he was highly trained yes, but the movie was more about a flawed human being, where the sequel was pure wish fulfillment, and he became the stereotypical one man army ppl still parody today.

All the recurring FAST & FURIOUS characters.
Watching the first, there’s zero hint these guys are going to end up on the world stage, chased by/working for clandestine agencies, fighting international terrorists, preventing nuclear armageddon.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 26, 2018, 08:29:41 AM
Iron Man pretty remained at one level for almost all of his appearances but then came Infinity War where he has a nano suit that can fight Thanos for a bit.  Same goes for Dr Strange: one movie, the guy is a low key Green Lantern with some portal abilities.  Then in Infinity War, he can give Thanos trouble without needing the Time Stone.

John McClane started off being more of an everyman compared to the other action heroes around that time but in the fourth movie, he's ramping cars into helicopters and stuff.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 26, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
Good ones.
McClane is glaringly obvious, as his shtick was being the ‘everyman’ of action heroes. Give Willis credit though, he opened the action genre up to a lot more actors.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 26, 2018, 09:05:45 AM
Rocky Balboa
El Mariachi
Sarah Connor
Laurie Strode (Halloween)
Ben Grimm/The Thing
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 26, 2018, 09:08:03 AM
El Mariachi is a great example.

1st movie: Just a dude trying to survive.

2nd movie: Action hero who can take a beating.

3rd movie: Legendary badass with superhuman aim and damage soak.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 26, 2018, 09:09:28 AM
Also, as it is with Sarah Conner, Ellen Ripley turned into an action hero between the first and second movie.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 26, 2018, 09:35:39 AM
I had Ripley listed, but removed her, which I probably shouldn't have. If you count her clone in the fourth film as Ripley too (which she kind of was in spirit), then that's another big bump right there.

Adding a few more...

Luke Skywalker
Neo
Jason Voorhees
Harry Osborn
Shuya Nanahara (Battle Royale)


I assume Harry Potter underwent significant progression between his films, although I've not watched any of them.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 26, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
Yeah, on Harry & Company but that made sense. They were students, learning throughout the series.

Really good picks, especially the females. Jason, too.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
Kick-Ass
Gandalf
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Gree on July 26, 2018, 06:59:11 PM
Cap had a good bump from First Avenger to now
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Bandido on July 26, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
Cap went from it being a big deal for him to leap over a fence and barely turning Loki's head with a punch, to brawling with Ultron and Iron Man. He's the most noticable case so far!

Ga dalf I felt actually got nerfed from being the Grey to the White. The biggest stuff he did was in Fellowship.

Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 08:14:43 PM
We saw a direct comparative increase in power. He treated Saruman like nothing.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 27, 2018, 12:57:06 AM
Cap had a good bump from First Avenger to now
Yeah, like Bandido pointed out.
That is some impressive boosting.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Gree on July 27, 2018, 07:54:39 AM
We saw a direct comparative increase in power. He treated Saruman like nothing.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: MPagar on July 27, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Not sure if Legolas was mentioned, but he certainly deserves a place here.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 27, 2018, 04:36:12 PM
Not sure if Legolas was mentioned, but he certainly deserves a place here.

Yeah, the last Hobbit movie had that weird mid-air stepping stone thing.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 28, 2018, 01:39:32 PM
so in a way he went backwards.... :)
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 28, 2018, 07:55:00 PM
so in a way he went backwards.... :)

Old age, I guess.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 28, 2018, 08:14:23 PM
younger older age.....?

I'm Ron Burgundy?
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 28, 2018, 11:27:37 PM
^^^lol

You guys are nuts.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 29, 2018, 12:01:39 AM
younger older age.....?

I'm Ron Burgundy?

Yes, when he got older, he became physicaly younger but not as powerful.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Bandido on July 29, 2018, 05:46:42 PM
George Chambers from Undisputed I > II.
Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 29, 2018, 07:00:17 PM
I think I have one.


Godzilla.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: DarthAlani on July 29, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Dom from Fast and Furious.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Gree on July 29, 2018, 07:49:52 PM
True
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on July 30, 2018, 12:32:27 AM
^^^all the F&F recurring characters.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: DarthAlani on July 30, 2018, 01:30:43 AM
Dom would probably solo the MCU Avengers. MCU Dom would be faster than the Bifrost, stronger than a power gem user and be able to deflect the effects of the finger snap by doing doughnuts in his Dodge Charger on  the Yggdrasil.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on July 30, 2018, 07:49:33 AM
Dom would probably solo the MCU Avengers. MCU Dom would be faster than the Bifrost, stronger than a power gem user and be able to deflect the effects of the finger snap by doing doughnuts in his Dodge Charger on  the Yggdrasil.

*Thanos blasts Dom with the Infinity Gauntlet*

*Dom is a little dirty but otherwise unharmed*

Thanos: Da fuq?

Dom: Family will always be more powaful.

*Someone runs Thanos over with a muscle car*
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: DarthAlani on July 30, 2018, 03:13:16 PM
Pretty much what would happen. Maybe Jack Jack could take him.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on August 02, 2018, 02:22:59 AM
Pretty much what would happen. Maybe Jack Jack could take him.
Dom's kid would be there, quick as a hiccup, and serve Jack Jack DA BIDNESS. You know goddamn well that kid has a Power Wheel that will drag the shit out of anybody ride. Even those goons from the 405.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Wyntyr on August 02, 2018, 03:43:08 AM
...but *I'm* from the 405
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on August 02, 2018, 05:51:04 AM
You’re the exception that proves the rule.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on August 23, 2018, 01:51:20 AM
...but *I'm* from the 405
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 28, 2018, 10:26:27 AM
I'm taking the spirit of this thread as meaning a totally unrealistic or unexplained, even contradictory, boost in power or skill.

Luke Skywalker's progress was insanely quick; nevertheless, he was uniquely gifted with the Force, so it does make some sense.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on August 28, 2018, 11:19:47 AM
I'm taking the spirit of this thread as meaning a totally unrealistic or unexplained, even contradictory, boost in power or skill.

Luke Skywalker's progress was insanely quick; nevertheless, he was uniquely gifted with the Force, so it does make some sense.

It wasn't as quick as people think:

In the first movie, he continually has to be saved by other characters.  We don't see him even win a fight until he's on the Deathstar, shooting some Stormtroopers beside Han and Chewie.  Even at the end, Han has to save his life and is the one to ultimately defeat Vader in that movie.  Luke's entire arc was basically making a nearly impossible shot.  He never moved anything with his mind, used a mind trick, or got into a lightsaber duel (he barely even picked one up).

The next movie starts with him being nearly mauled to death within the first ten minutes or so.  He uses the Force to move a lightsaber, but struggles to do so.  Then eh needs Han to come back and save him ("Remember, kid, that's two you owe me.")  It firmly sets up his need for training.  Then he goes off and trains with Yoda and can move things a little bit better and presumably, learns how to fight with a lightsaber off screen.  Then he goes off to fight Vader... and gets utterly stomped, loses a hand, and once again needs other people to save his life.

The third movie starts with him as a Jedi and the build up is mostly the climax with Vader where he finally manages to beat the guy but starts off that fight on the losing end, hides in the shadows for a bit, then when Vader mentions his sister, he goes into a berserk rage to finally knock Vader down and chop off a hand.  Of course, Palpatine then starts to kill Luke and Vader saves his life and dumps Palpy down a shaft.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on August 28, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
^^^damn. That's really good. Yeah, i agree, thats realistic progression for a character, especially in sci fi.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 28, 2018, 11:50:45 PM
Nevertheless, based on the standards expressed for Jedi training, Luke has put in a truly small number of training hours, combined with starting at an age way beyond when Jedi's normally start. And yet he's hanging with Vader by RotJ. Luke's progress is much, much faster than Anakin's, whose progress was already way faster than that of any other Jedi in history.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Riv1 on August 29, 2018, 01:06:29 AM
Seems more like he started, and  operated/operates, at an ungodly high level, so, not really a -boost- in power.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: AP on August 29, 2018, 08:13:28 AM
To me, Luke seemed like one of the least skilled Jedi/Sith onscreen.  He gets by on his family being uber-powerful and the fact that Vader was conflicted.  I generally think ROTJ Luke gets beaten by most named Jedi and Sith in the movies.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 29, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
It's hard to scale him since Vader is the benchmark, and there are conflicting ideas about how formidable Vader was.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Uhtceare on August 29, 2018, 10:55:59 AM
Darsksiders draw their power from anger and hate. Vader didn't have any of that towards Luke. It seems unlikely that he was anywhere near full power in that final fight.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 29, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
There's definitely a composite problem of (a) scaling ROTJ Luke to Vader, and then (b) scaling ROTJ Vader to other Jedi and Sith. Both are at least somewhat problematic, but I think the latter is more of an issue. I'm fairly comfortable treating Vader and Luke as at least comparable at that time, even if Vader has an edge, particularly when neither are channeling raw Dark side anger. Luke certainly has more potential power than Vader by that point.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on September 01, 2018, 09:44:29 PM
Vader should also be severely diminished as he's half-cybernetic at that point, once Midochlorians became a physical representation of Force potential, instead of an esoteric, spiritual connection to it.

Goddamn, the prequels fucked up so, so much.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: MTL76 on September 02, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Vader should also be severely diminished as he's half-cybernetic at that point, once Midochlorians became a physical representation of Force potential, instead of an esoteric, spiritual connection to it.

Goddamn, the prequels fucked up so, so much.

It’s a good excuse for why Vader never was able to surpass Palpatine.

I recently rewatched Revenge of the Sith and it’s grown in me.
Title: Re: Biggest boost in power or skill from movie to movie
Post by: wowie on October 02, 2018, 06:28:04 PM
Wolverine