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Title: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 15, 2018, 05:58:59 PM
First, you have to decide if you’re going to be known as a ‘specialist’ (brick, speedster, blaster, fighter) in one of the first four categories, thats why the hefty price tag to go w. the overwhelming power in each (you’ll be forced to skimp on the other categories), OR, are you going to be more even across the board.
 
Questions that might pop up:
-yes, you have to choose one power/skill from each category, to include miscellaneous.
-yes, the character’s invulnerability’s included w. each of the strength picks.
-no, you are not connected to the speed force so you dont get speed steal or any of his other esoteric powers, just flash level speed.
-cyclops’ eye beams are in control, no need for a visor.

STRENGTH
$10 Superman
$5 Hercules (Marvel)
$4 Ben Grimm
$3 Luke Cage
$2 Spider-man

SPEED
$10 Flash
$5 Quicksilver
$4 Speed Demon
$3 Blur (Supreme Power)
$2 Triathlon

ENERGY ATTACK
$10 Omega Beams
$5 Cyclops optic beam
$4 Havok plasma blast
$3 Starfire starbolts
$2 Spider-woman bio electric blast

FIGHTING SKILL
$10 Karate Kid
$5 Shang Chi
$4 Wildcat
$3 Batroc
$2 punisher

MISC.
$5 Flight (Carol Danvers level)
$4 Telekinesis (Vance Astro Justice level)
$3 Teleportation (Nightcrawler level)
$2 Pliability (Reed Richards level)
$1 Intuitive intelligence (Forge level)

Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 15, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
$4 Ben Grimm
$3 Blur (Supreme Power)
$2 Spider-woman bio electric blast
$5 Shang Chi
$1 Intuitive intelligence (Forge level)
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 15, 2018, 06:49:12 PM
^^^nice!

Oh. Still working out the bugs.

The only exception to having to pick from each category is, if you choose a $10 power, you have $5 to spend as you wish.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: scourge on July 15, 2018, 08:44:30 PM
$3 Luke Cage
$5 Quicksilver
$3 Starfire Starbolts
$3 Batroc
$1 Intuitive Intelligence 
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Thorne on July 15, 2018, 09:15:04 PM
$2 Spiderman
$2 Triathlon
$3 Starfire starbolts
$5 Shang Chi
$3 Teleportation (Nightcrawler level)
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 15, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
$3 Luke Cage
$5 Quicksilver
$3 Starfire Starbolts
$3 Batroc
$1 Intuitive Intelligence 
^^^Also nice.
Forge is gonna benefit i think, from being in the $1 bargain bin.

Surprised you and Snake eyes went across the board; i was expecting $10 picks, TBH.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 15, 2018, 10:03:39 PM
Some questions not already answered:

1) Are we picking powers for the real world, or a comicbook universe?
2) Can the Flash level speed be used to perform non-Speed Force-related tricks, like the infinite mass punch, or vibrating intangible?
3) Does the Justice level TK include the power to self-levitate (I assume it does, but just want to confirm that).

Also FYI, you forgot to price the Nightcrawler level teleportation, although I assume it's a $3 power.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 15, 2018, 10:23:11 PM
1. However you’d like, there’s no set standard on that.

2. No.

3. Yes, nice catch.

FYI...fixed, thanks! :P
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 15, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
2) Can the Flash level speed be used to perform non-Speed Force-related tricks, like the infinite mass punch, or vibrating intangible?

2. No.

You know those things I mentioned have nothing to do with the Speed Force, right? Superman has performed a version of the infinite mass punch, and the Whizzer from Squadron Sinister has been shown to vibrate intangible. You're the rule maker of course, just wanted to point that out.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Pillow Biter on July 15, 2018, 11:20:17 PM
Skill, strength, and durability tend to be favored abilities in the comics. Superman Str/Dur. + Shang Chi skills would be a pretty good comics power set, though top tiers tend to not get fully rewarded for their HtH skills.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 15, 2018, 11:26:00 PM
^^^if Supes had that kind of skill in continuity he might actually get WW to stop bullying him!

2) Can the Flash level speed be used to perform non-Speed Force-related tricks, like the infinite mass punch, or vibrating intangible?

2. No.

You know those things I mentioned have nothing to do with the Speed Force, right? Superman has performed a version of the infinite mass punch, and the Whizzer from Squadron Sinister has been shown to vibrate intangible. You're the rule maker of course, just wanted to point that out.
I know, just keeping things simple.
Running at light speed should be more than enough of a reason to pick speed.
Its why i stayed away from mental powers for example.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Pillow Biter on July 15, 2018, 11:32:56 PM
Depending on how much stronger one thinks Superman is than Herc, Karate Kid+Herc might be better than Supes + Shang-Chi. Depends upon how highly one rates KK as well. More recent versions have seemed less ridiculous.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 15, 2018, 11:42:10 PM
I'm definitely drawn to the Forge level engineering ($1). It's the best-value power on the list, incredibly useful for both the real world and a comicbook universe.

I'm probably still inclined to take the Flash level speed ($10), even without the ability to vibrate intangible or whatnot, as it synergises wonderfully with the engineering power, massively increasing it's potential productivity, and is just generally very useful in both the real world and a comicbook universe. Another reason for taking the Flash level speed is that the purchase of a $10 power means I don't have to pick a power from every category, and there are some (like energy attacks and skill) which don't hold as much appeal to me as the higher level speed.

That leaves me with $4 to spend, and the freedom to spend it on just one or two powers if I like, but I'm somewhat torn between the Thing level strength and the Justice level TK. On the one hand, the TK gives you a more rounded power set, adding flight, durability (TK shields), and long range attacks to your arsenal. It might even aid your ability to build stuff with the Forge level engineering. On the other hand, the engineering power could allow you to build tech that'd fulfill most of those functions anyway, and the Thing level strength would probably be more useful in a straight fight.

For real world purposes, I'm inclined to go with the Justice level TK, as the power to fly or shield myself without relying on tech is very appealing, and I wouldn't have to worry about encountering any superpowered opponents. If I had to live in a comicbook universe though, then the possibility of having to fight other superpowered beings increases dramatically, in which case the Thing level strength becomes very attractive.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Pillow Biter on July 16, 2018, 12:07:24 AM
I agree with SD's overall assessment of the strategic considerations. In a real-world universe, you will be the only person with powers. This lowers the threat level, allowing one more freedom to prioritize other factors than raw formidability in battle, when choosing one's power set. In a comics universe, not only does what makes you formidable change, but the need to be formidable increases.

I had some trouble with my reading comprehension, SD. For both the comics and the real world universes respectively, what would be your specific goal(s) when assembling a power set, and then precisely which combination would you pick to best achieve that goal.

For myself, in a comics universe, I would try to be as formidable and high up the food chain as possible. Shit is going to go down, and I want to be standing after it does. As raw strength and durability are probably the powers most valued in the comic universe, I'd start there. Speed is very undervalued, especially in top tier battles. So is versatility--having a secondary energy attack doesn't really add that much, unless that energy attack is more powerful than your fists. I'm assuming that a comics universe somehow still works the way it works, even with me in it--as illogical as that ultimately may sound. 

As for a realistic universe, my priorities change. I don't crave power; I crave keeping the good times going as long and reliably as they can. So I'd probably pick Superman for the durability and the possibility of a longer lifespan as a side-effect of that durability. Hercules might be sufficient, and could also lend itself to an increased lifespan; however, the rules seem to indicate that you must pick one from every category unless you choose a 10 pt power. I don't want to waste points on some categories, so I might have to choose something like Superman + Speed Demon + Forge. This is a great combination to ensure that you live a long, secure, and prosperous life. Forge tech + Speed make you rich. Superman's invulnerability makes you hard to kill and ensures you perfect health and possibly a longer (or even much longer) life. In addition to being generally useful, Speed Demon's speed makes you hard to corner or trap if the government ever decides to really go after you. With this kind of power set, you might never even reveal your enhancements to the public. Just invent lots of crazy shit that makes you rich and then party likes it's 1999 for the rest of a very long life.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 03:15:21 AM
The Forge level intuitive intelligence power is the only one needed, all the others are just for flavor. We are not hampered by comic pis/cis.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 05:34:40 AM
The Forge level intuitive intelligence power is the only one needed, all the others are just for flavor. We are not hampered by comic pis/cis.

How so? His power isnt without limits.

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Forge is a mutant with a superhuman intuitive talent for inventing mechanical devices, backed up by the ability to visually perceive mechanical energy in action. This power allows him to instinctively recognize the potential and functional uses of any machine or technological device in his visual range, a skill that combined with his natural intelligence gives him the ability to conceive, design and build highly advanced mechanical devices; and operate, modify and disassemble existing technology or create countermeasures for it. Forge's superhuman talent for invention does not mean that he is of a superhuman intellect.....even a genius at invention must for the most part consciously work out the theoretical principles behind the invention and then the design of the invention itself through a series of logical steps. In Forge's case, however, many of these logical steps are worked out by his subconscious mind. Hence, Forge himself might not be entirely aware of exactly how he figured out how to create an invention of his. Sometimes, he must disassemble a device he has made to even figure out how it works.

You’re still working w. your own intelligence here, so, hopefully you’re already pretty good at inventing shit, and designing machines.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 08:02:43 AM
So what level are you limiting our effectiveness compared to Forge if we choose his ability. 100%, 80%, 60%, 1% etc etc etc?
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 08:13:48 AM
(https://preview.ibb.co/jjaDDd/08323114_EE6_F_4_F5_E_9_A60_1_FF0_E4870315.jpg)

Went across the board for mine:

$3 Luke Cage strength
$2 Triathlon speed
$4 Havok plasma blast
$2 Punisher h2h
$4 Vance Astro TK
Cage gives me a nice strength to invulnerability ratio, leaving money for other things i want.
Triathlon speed is less than nothing compared to the rest of the speed list, but running (and reacting) at 100mph in itself is no joke, and very useful.
Havok’ plasma blast is powerful, and honestly just looks hella cool.
Punisher h2h is just to go by my own rules, as fighting skills arent a priority.
Astro’s TK i’d use mostly to fly (and who doesnt want to fly?). Its applications i’d keep under my hat, for emergencies.

RW applications werent really a concern, as i wouldnt want to be the only meta on earth.
I also opted not to ‘set up’ at DC, as their strict power heirarchy would pigeonhole me as a C lister off the bat, and even if given the chance, i wouldnt want to be anywhere near the JLA as its currently being written.
Marvel’s much more appealing right now, but i wouldnt be a huge player there either, and i have enough ego to -want- to be.
So, looking somewhere in between RW and The Big Two. Settled on the Mystery Men (film) reality, where i could be a huge fish in a small pond.
It was shown to actually have super powered individuals, but the levels were so low, my power set would be seen as off the charts.
There’s also an established, if dinky, superero community, which i could fall into easily.
I’d basically be on vacation w. super powers.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 08:16:45 AM
So what level are you limiting our effectiveness compared to Forge if we choose his ability. 100%, 80%, 60%, 1% etc etc etc?
100% of what you can do w. it.
I hadnt made a point of it, but i forgot how his power is often misunderstood until i saw your post.
I mean, its a GOOD power, no matter your intelligence, but there’s a reason it only costs a dollar.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
So eventually 100% of Forge's effectiveness, thank you.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 08:52:20 AM
However you need to try and spin it so you can believe you’ll be at genius level, guy, despite not being one.

As long as i get your pretend money, up front. :D
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 16, 2018, 02:39:37 PM
I had some trouble with my reading comprehension, SD. For both the comics and the real world universes respectively, what would be your specific goal(s) when assembling a power set, and then precisely which combination would you pick to best achieve that goal.

For the real world, I'm drawn to powers which enhance my health and wealth, allow me to travel the world quickly and easily, and powers which generally make life easier or more pleasurable in one way or another. I wouldn't want to reveal my powers publicly, so I'd favour inconspicuous powers over conspicuous ones. And I wouldn't be looking to get into fights, so powers that are primarily geared for offense don't hold much appeal for me, unless they come with other fringe benefits like an increased lifespan or healing.

In the case of this thread, I assumed you didn't get such fringe benefits with the super-strength, just strength & durability. I may've assumed incorrectly, and if I have, that'd greatly increase the appeal of the Superman level strength, and perhaps the Hercules level strength even moreso, if it comes with his immortality. (Come to think of it, I didn't consider whether I'd get Flash level accelerated healing along with Flash level speed.)

As for my priorities in a comicbook universe, I'd still ideally want all the same enhancements I'd choose for the real world, but I'd have to balance that with the potential need to defend myself against superpowered beings, hence the increased appeal of innate super-strength & durability. I wouldn't necessarily make maximum formidability my absolute top priority though, since my preferred lifestyle would be one where I'm out of the action as much as possible, rather than in the thick of it and having to endure it.

Regarding your point on the currency of various powers in comicbook battles, I'm assuming that as an autonomous being, I wouldn't be bound by things like PIS and CIS. If I'm right about that, then my Thing/Flash/Forge combo may actually make me more formidable than you with your Superman/Speed Demon/Forge combo. But even if I'm wrong, I wouldn't be looking to fight you or anyone else anyway, and if you wanted to fight me for whatever reason, I'd probably just run off and leave you eating my dust. :)
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
However you need to try and spin it so you can believe you’ll be at genius level, guy, despite not being one.

As long as i get your pretend money, up front. :D

Forge isn't a genius either, even with his ability his intelligence is only listed at a 4(gifted).
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 05:30:46 PM
And what are YOU listed at? Cuz thats what you’ve got to work with.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
And what are YOU listed at? Cuz thats what you’ve got to work with.

Based on their rankings; 3 and that is without intuitive intelligence, so with it I should be at least a 4, maybe a 5.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 16, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
hahaha whatever guy, you are a mad genius and will rock w. your $1 pick.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 16, 2018, 06:03:21 PM
My understanding of Forge's power is that it doesn't really have much to do with his general intelligence. So if you get that power, you should probably be able to build anything he could with it, regardless of whether your general intelligence is as high as his or not.

There was a Marvel UK character called Killpower who possessed a similar affinity for technology, allowing him to rebuild the Death's Head II cyborg after it was blown to bits, but his general intelligence was that of an average 10-year-old.

Few more questions for you, Riv:

1) Does Superman level strength come with other fringe benefits of his physiology, like his enhanced healing and possible extended lifespan?

2) Does Hercules level strength come with his immortality?

3) Does the Flash level speed come with their ability to heal at an accelerated rate?
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 07:44:52 PM
hahaha whatever guy, you are a mad genius and will rock w. your $1 pick.

Marvel's scale was 1.Slow/Impaired  2.Normal 3.Learned 4.Gifted. 5.Genius 6.Super-genius 7.Omniscient even with his ability Forge was only at a 4, which means without it he's at best a 3, maybe even a 2.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 09:00:06 PM
My understanding of Forge's power is that it doesn't really have much to do with his general intelligence. So if you get that power, you should probably be able to build anything he could with it, regardless of whether your general intelligence is as high as his or not.

There was a Marvel UK character called Killpower who possessed a similar affinity for technology, allowing him to rebuild the Death's Head II cyborg after it was blown to bits, but his general intelligence was that of an average 10-year-old.

That was my thought as well, as I imagine the whole point of offering it as a choice was to give people access to comic book level super-science. Riv just didn't appreciate how broken that would be in practice, so he's trying to gimp it.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 16, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
I checked the OHOTMU Master Edition, and Forge's intelligence was rated as superhuman there, the second highest ranking on a ten point scale. The only other humans I've seen ranked that high were the High Evolutionary, MODOK, and Mr. Fantastic (the first two of whom have had their intelligence explicitly enhanced). The likes of Doom, Pym, Stark, etc were all ranked lower.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on July 16, 2018, 10:54:30 PM
$3 Luke Cage
$3 Blur
$3 Starfire
$2 Punisher
$4 Telekinesis

Cage’s strength and durability is more than adequate, and TK gives me enhanced durability (as well as pseudo-flight). While TK has the abilith to attack from a distance, Starfire’s starbolts or whatever they’re called are a damn sight more potent. I’m not sure how fast Blur actually is, but faster than 3x peak (Triathalon) is pretty damn good. Punisher is a solid C+ to B level fighter, so that will work for me.

Definitely more of an “all-around” build.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 16, 2018, 11:30:53 PM
I checked the OHOTMU Master Edition, and Forge's intelligence was rated as superhuman there, the second highest ranking on a ten point scale. The only other humans I've seen ranked that high were the High Evolutionary, MODOK, and Mr. Fantastic (the first two of whom have had their intelligence explicitly enhanced). The likes of Doom, Pym, Stark, etc were all ranked lower.

Don't have the OHOTMU so I just googled him and http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Forge_(Earth-616) has his intelligence listed as 4.

Either way, I'm treating "Forge level" to mean you can invent things on the same level as Forge.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 17, 2018, 01:10:30 AM
^^^you can treat it however strokes your ego best, guy. ;D

$3 Luke Cage
$3 Blur
$3 Starfire
$2 Punisher
$4 Telekinesis

Cage’s strength and durability is more than adequate, and TK gives me enhanced durability (as well as pseudo-flight). While TK has the abilith to attack from a distance, Starfire’s starbolts or whatever they’re called are a damn sight more potent. I’m not sure how fast Blur actually is, but faster than 3x peak (Triathalon) is pretty damn good. Punisher is a solid C+ to B level fighter, so that will work for me.

Definitely more of an “all-around” build.
Pretty close to mine, though i opted for a more powerful energy attack over greater speed.
In the Mystery Men universe i’m still gonna basically be Superman, and, i really like Havok’s energy efeects visually.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Pillow Biter on July 17, 2018, 02:01:13 AM
Regarding your point on the currency of various powers in comicbook battles, I'm assuming that as an autonomous being, I wouldn't be bound by things like PIS and CIS. If I'm right about that, then my Thing/Flash/Forge combo may actually make me more formidable than you with your Superman/Speed Demon/Forge combo. But even if I'm wrong, I wouldn't be looking to fight you or anyone else anyway, and if you wanted to fight me for whatever reason, I'd probably just run off and leave you eating my dust. :)

Your other points make sense, and I'm essentially in agreement with them.

As for the degree of PIS/CIS in a comic book universe, well that is the key point. I don't like terms such as PIS or CIS, as I feel they don't accurately represent what is happening. That said, I get your point about them. However, if you get to turn of 'CIS' and 'PIS' in a comic book universe, then so will everyone else. And that means the comic book universe one would join would in fact look very different from the universe in the actual comics. Flash might be the #1 hero in the DCU, for example. Everything would be strange.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 17, 2018, 08:01:33 AM
Your other points make sense, and I'm essentially in agreement with them.

As for the degree of PIS/CIS in a comic book universe, well that is the key point. I don't like terms such as PIS or CIS, as I feel they don't accurately represent what is happening.

How do you see it then?

That said, I get your point about them. However, if you get to turn of 'CIS' and 'PIS' in a comic book universe, then so will everyone else. And that means the comic book universe one would join would in fact look very different from the universe in the actual comics. Flash might be the #1 hero in the DCU, for example. Everything would be strange.

I don't view it as turning off PIS and CIS, because for real people like you and I, they were never applicable in the first place. If we were to physically enter the Marvel or DC universe, we'd be anomalies there, able to think in ways that actual comicbook characters simply can't.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 17, 2018, 08:10:40 AM
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we'd be anomalies there, able to think in ways that actual comicbook characters simply can't.
That level of genre savviness is something i’ve often thought about in threads where relocating to a fictional universe is an option.   
Honestly it’d be almost like another super power.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 17, 2018, 08:51:53 AM
I imagine a real world comicbook fan entering the Marvel or DC universe would be a bit like that kid in Last Action Hero entering the world of Jack Slater. That kid went in armed with knowledge of all the action movie tropes and cliches which Slater himself was completely oblivious to.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 17, 2018, 09:06:36 AM
^^^exactly. And that would come in SO handy!

The only thing we’d need to be careful of would be our own genre -blindness-.
There was a part in the movie, for example, where the kid’s rushing headlong into danger when he exclaims “wait, i’m not the hero, i’m the comedy relief!”
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on July 17, 2018, 05:07:47 PM
Another build...going for more of a top-tier character...

Strength: $5 Hercules
Speed: $2 Triathalon
Blast: $2 Bio-Electric Blast
Skill: $5 Shang-Chi
Misc: $1 Intuitive Inventiveness

My thought is that top-tier strength and A-list skill, coupled w/ 3x peak human speed is a very potent combo. Reminiscent of old-school Wonder Woman IMO. Bio blasts are a good offensive option/distraction, and I figure I can enhance them, my speed or give myself some method of travel with an invention.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 17, 2018, 06:31:03 PM
As far as an across-the-board power set goes, I'd probably take this if I were to live in a comicbook universe and be an actual superhero type. I was tempted to go with Quicksilver level speed and Spider-Woman level blasts, but I don't think I'd have much use for the blast power at anything less than Havok's level, hence the compromise on speed which would still be useful at Blur's level:

$5 Hercules level strength/durability
$3 Blur level speed
$4 Havok level blasts
$2 Punisher level fighting skill
$1 Forge level engineering


And if I had total freedom to spend the $15 any way I wanted, I'd go with this:

$5 Hercules level strength/durability
$5 Quicksilver level speed
$4 Justice level telekinesis
$1 Forge level engineering
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on July 17, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
You know, Riv, I think you actually have the Havok and Cyclops level blast powers priced the wrong way round. Havok's blasts have generally looked more powerful to me over the years.

Also, I don't think Luke Cage level strength/durability is the best midway point between Spider-Man and Thing level strength/durability, considering that Luke is knocking on the Thing's door in strength these days, and was always closer to the Thing in durability than Spidey. A better pick for that slot would be someone like Valkyrie or Sabra IMO, who at 45 and 50 tons level respectively are more of a genuine midway point between Spidey and the Thing in strength and durability.

Finally, I think the Nightcrawler level teleportation is probably a little overpriced, which may be partly why nobody's picked it. You could lower it to the $2 level and put something else in the $3 slot, or alternatively, I'd suggest putting more powerful teleportation at that level. Jumper level teleportation, say, that'd allow a person to easily 'port around the globe. Or you could use Azazel or Vanisher's teleportation, if you want to stick to Marvel/DC characters. I believe they're both somewhat superior to Kurt in that respect.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 12:37:21 AM
I agree w. a lot of what you pointed, but when filling out the categories, i went with characters that are generally accepted as being at a certain level, seen a certain way, to hopefully not have the thread turn into a pissing contest on who’s character was better, who should be where, jobber this and that.

I really just wanted ppl to pick some power sets, at least initially, before discussions broke out, if any happened to!

I mean, you wouldnt believe how these things can segue.
From Snake-eyes rating himself a RL genius just below Forge, to over at KMC, a guy overthinking the hell out of super speed, wanting me to guarantee he wouldnt splat himself running into things, because i cut IMP/speed force tricks from the Flash’s power set.

That same guy actually picked teleportation, BTW, going at it w. another poster, basicslly assuring us its an instant-win ability.

I can only imagine if i’d added any type of TP as a choice... :o
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 01:42:01 AM
I never rated myself a real life genius, you either have a reading comprehension problem or you're a liar.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 01:49:06 AM
Or you're just WAY too anal about this entire subject:

However you need to try and spin it so you can believe you’ll be at genius level, guy, despite not being one.

As long as i get your pretend money, up front. :D

Forge isn't a genius either, even with his ability his intelligence is only listed at a 4(gifted).

And what are YOU listed at? Cuz thats what you’ve got to work with.

Based on their rankings; 3 and that is without intuitive intelligence, so with it I should be at least a 4, maybe a 5.

Its amazing what’ll get ppl wound up on a fucking comic book message board.

Look, guy, you said some stupid shit, and if i wanna bring it up in conversation w. someone else, suck it the fuck up, ‘genius’.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 01:56:31 AM
Thank you for proving my point; I rated myself at a 3 which is only above-average, genius on their scale is a 5.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 05:26:35 AM
Thank you for proving my point; I rated myself at a 3 which is only above-average, genius on their scale is a 5.

Sure thing genius, looks like you rated yourself a 4 or 5 to me.

Did you really think these powers (discounting the one category that is actually skill transference) come w. insta-knowledge or some shit? That you’ll know how to use whatever you choose as well as the character?
Thats not the point of the thread, genius.
The point is discussing how YOU would use the powers, to the best of YOUR abilities.

As an example, Cyclops’ optic blast isnt going to let you clear a pool table on day one:
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/jidLz.jpg)
You’d have to learn to control the blast so as to be that precise, you’d have to learn geometry, you’d have to apply that precision and that knowledge accordingly.

As to this intuitive knowledge thats gotten your panties so twisted up, this is how it’d work.

You and Forge (both having intuitive knowledge) get told to make the same device, and taken to a room of high tech components.
Forge is gonna look at something and think, “Ah, a high density induction coil, i’ll need that!”. 
You’re gonna look at the same thing and think, “Ah! What the shit is that?!?”.

Why the difference?
Because Forge is fucking SMART. He has the technical knowledge and education to use his mutant power to a high degree.
And you, genius, are a guy on a message board who has trouble following simple instructions.

So, unless you post a pic of yourself w. a shoe on your head holding a diploma from MIT, you rating yourself a 3, just under Forge’s gifted 4, without his power, and then a 4 maybe a 5, with his power, is complete crap, and just some odd fixation you seem to have w. this ability.

Mind you, its complete HILARIOUS crap, but still crap.

Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 06:35:37 AM
Then you can't read.
Based on their rankings; 3 and that is without intuitive intelligence,

I clearly rated myself at a 3.

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so with it I should be at least a 4, maybe a 5.

This part is me saying what I think I'd be with Forge's ability.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 06:38:08 AM
Guess you thought wrong, genius.

Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 06:39:19 AM
From Snake-eyes rating himself a RL genius just below Forge,

Based on their rankings; 3 and that is without intuitive intelligence,

Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 08:05:24 AM
^^^Man you are dense.
Bottom line, genius, you wont be as smart as Forge WITH the power, cuz you’re nowhere near as smart as Forge WITHOUT the power.

Hell, after this exchange, i’m starting to think you may be borderline oxygen deprived.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Thorne on July 18, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
15 dolla too boocoo, 1 dolla each you sell.

Thor
Professor X
Doctor Strange
Mystique
Karate Kid
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
^^^Man you are dense.
Bottom line, genius, you wont be as smart as Forge WITH the power, cuz you’re nowhere near as smart as Forge WITHOUT the power.

Hell, after this exchange, i’m starting to think you may be borderline oxygen deprived.

Bottom line, you lied.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on July 18, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
Something different...

Strength: $2 Spider-Man
Speed: $3 Blur
Skill: $10 Karate Kid

I don’t know where I’d peg this character. Legit super-speed & strength with the combat prowess of KK would be monstrous.

Riv...have you considered $1 options for some of the other categories?
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
^^^I did, but opted not to. For the life of me i cant remember why, though! :o

Bottom line, you lied.
Bottom line, you’re not a fucking genius, though you were at least smart enough not to pursue this at KMC as well.
Those posters actually have some respect for you. Seeing you in full whiny bitch mode would have changed that.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Snake-eyes on July 18, 2018, 05:43:44 PM
^^^I did, but opted not to. For the life of me i cant remember why, though! :o

Bottom line, you lied.
Bottom line, you’re not a fucking genius, though you were at least smart enough not to pursue this at KMC as well.
Those posters actually have some respect for you. Seeing you in full whiny bitch mode would have changed that.

I never claimed to be.
Title: Re: $15 Hero Builder
Post by: Riv1 on July 18, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
Okay, genius.