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Title: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 09, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
A sort of rematch form the first flick.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 09, 2018, 06:00:28 PM
He receives a more decisive ass-kicking.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 09, 2018, 06:27:23 PM
Falcon's newer gadgets in Civil War and Infinity War don't make a difference?
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 09, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
I don't see him doing well against her. She's going to disable his equipment and kick his ass.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: Uhtceare on July 09, 2018, 06:56:02 PM
I dunno. Falcon comes across as hella skilled and agile. I get the feeling that he's at least one weightclass higher in effectiveness than he is in power. Maybe that's not enough to give him the win, but he's a live underdog at least.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: Ditto on July 10, 2018, 08:50:46 AM
Wasp beats him probably every time.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 10, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
I'd probably give Ant-Man odds against most everyone else except the top rank. Wasp would do just as good if not better.

So yeah Falcon loses.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 10, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
I'd probably give Ant-Man odds against most everyone else except the top rank.

To be fair, Black Widow had his number in Civil War.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 11, 2018, 12:44:13 PM
Honestly I think most of the streets would do better than the mid tier guys against the two. This is because all the mid tiers rely on tech which opens them up for exploitation by shrinkers. If Ant-Man decided to get vicious he could have shrunk down And punched her in the ovaries. Now Wasp probably would take BW because she actually has weapons.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: Red Exodus on July 12, 2018, 01:12:26 AM
To be fair, Black Widow had his number in Civil War.

....Are you serious?

They had all but 14 seconds of directly fighting each other. She kicked him, got
him in an arm bar that he instantly reversed on her and even had her pinned to
that ground, until she used her wrist taser to knock him away.

How does ANY of that sound like "having his number." Come on AP.

Anyway, as for the fight, Scott was actually a fairly impressive for a guy with not
as much intensive HtH training as the other streets in his 1st movie (his 2nd one,
not so much), so Scott gave Falcon a decent fight all things considered.

Wasp, who seemed to be better than Scott in every way if we go by the 2nd film,
should make this a lot closer, if not outright beat him faster than Scott, who had
to use a lot of hit and run to fight Sam. She has flight, stingers, shrinking, and
is a respectable hth fighter. She has all the advantage here, other than sheer
firepower. But that's not too much of a problem for her.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 12, 2018, 04:31:49 AM
Most of Scott's problems in the second weren't caused by own lacking skills but because his new suit kept malfunctioning.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 12, 2018, 07:27:22 AM
To be fair, Black Widow had his number in Civil War.

....Are you serious?

They had all but 14 seconds of directly fighting each other. She kicked him, got
him in an arm bar that he instantly reversed on her and even had her pinned to
that ground, until she used her wrist taser to knock him away.

How does ANY of that sound like "having his number." Come on AP.

They fought twice.  The first was the more one-on-one fight and the second was in the big team mashup.  In the background, you can see Widow kicking the crap out of Scott.  She was apparently predicting where he'd pop up next as well.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: Not BAMF on July 12, 2018, 07:48:30 AM
If Falcon was prepared for a fight, he should really have Ant-Man's number. Honestly, Wasp flying and being a better fighter bridges that gap a bit. I would they are 50/50, maybe slight edge to Wasp.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 12, 2018, 08:36:03 AM
If Falcon was prepared for a fight, he should really have Ant-Man's number. Honestly, Wasp flying and being a better fighter bridges that gap a bit. I would they are 50/50, maybe slight edge to Wasp.

Yeah, I'm seeing this the same way.  Now that Falcon has had experience with shrinking people and has better gear, it might compensate for Wasp's flight, stingers, and hth abilities.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: 80sBaby on July 12, 2018, 12:12:00 PM
If Falcon was prepared for a fight, he should really have Ant-Man's number. Honestly, Wasp flying and being a better fighter bridges that gap a bit. I would they are 50/50, maybe slight edge to Wasp.

Yeah, I'm seeing this the same way.  Now that Falcon has had experience with shrinking people and has better gear, it might compensate for Wasp's flight, stingers, and hth abilities.

I don't think his gear is any better. He's wearing the same suit in Ant-Man as he is in CW.

I say Wasp wins 7/10, at least. She can do everything Scot did but has more offensive capabilities.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 12, 2018, 12:38:38 PM
If Falcon was prepared for a fight, he should really have Ant-Man's number. Honestly, Wasp flying and being a better fighter bridges that gap a bit. I would they are 50/50, maybe slight edge to Wasp.

Yeah, I'm seeing this the same way.  Now that Falcon has had experience with shrinking people and has better gear, it might compensate for Wasp's flight, stingers, and hth abilities.

I don't think his gear is any better. He's wearing the same suit in Ant-Man as he is in CW.

I say Wasp wins 7/10, at least. She can do everything Scot did but has more offensive capabilities.

He had different gear in CW and IW.

In CW, he folded the wings in front of him as a shield and it also had computer guided rockets.  CW gave him his Redwing drone as well, which helped him against Spider-Man.

https://youtu.be/gfNEwhPxeGM?t=2m59s (https://youtu.be/gfNEwhPxeGM?t=2m59s)

In IW, he fired a bunch of those drones and had them explode, but I can't find the footage.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: 80sBaby on July 12, 2018, 01:11:13 PM
If Falcon was prepared for a fight, he should really have Ant-Man's number. Honestly, Wasp flying and being a better fighter bridges that gap a bit. I would they are 50/50, maybe slight edge to Wasp.

Yeah, I'm seeing this the same way.  Now that Falcon has had experience with shrinking people and has better gear, it might compensate for Wasp's flight, stingers, and hth abilities.



I don't think his gear is any better. He's wearing the same suit in Ant-Man as he is in CW.

I say Wasp wins 7/10, at least. She can do everything Scot did but has more offensive capabilities.

He had different gear in CW and IW.

In CW, he folded the wings in front of him as a shield and it also had computer guided rockets.  CW gave him his Redwing drone as well, which helped him against Spider-Man.

https://youtu.be/gfNEwhPxeGM?t=2m59s (https://youtu.be/gfNEwhPxeGM?t=2m59s)

In IW, he fired a bunch of those drones and had them explode, but I can't find the footage.

His gear looks the same in all 3 movies. He had the drones explode in CW, too. Sam just didn't use any of those things against Scott but since the suits look the same, I don't see why we'd assume he didn't have the capability. I don't think Sam is going to just drone strike people off top. Did he even use his guns against Scott?

EDIT: I just looked at a clip of their fight and Sam does shoot at Scott (who's on the gun itself.) He also tries to end the conflict when he punches Scott and says "That's enough!" So I still don't see him using his missiles against Hope.
Title: Re: MCU Wasp vs MCU Falcon
Post by: AP on July 12, 2018, 01:19:56 PM
The dialogue in CW showed that Redwing was a new addition.  We certainly didn't see it on Sam's back in Ant Man.  We also didn't see him folding up his wings as weapons/defense.  It seems as if he had upgrades, which makes sense as all the tech-based heroes get something extra in each movie.