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Title: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: altoon on July 05, 2018, 09:34:28 PM
Since no one else did one.  I just want to say the last 3 movies marvel has done an amazing job with the villians.  Each one you can see there side of the situation and understand why there doing what there doing and it not just a hahahah I'm evil and want to rule type of thing.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on July 05, 2018, 10:49:11 PM
Cool. How were Ghost’s powers?
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Ditto on July 05, 2018, 11:19:54 PM
Ghost looked phenomenal and the fight scenes between her and Wasp were amazing to watch. Both utilized their powers incredibly well in combat.

Also

That mid credit scene though
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: altoon on July 06, 2018, 12:08:55 AM
Yeah so we know where that going.  Someone should just tell Thor to aim for the arm.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Bandido on July 06, 2018, 02:33:43 AM
For those interested.
https://nerdist.com/how-ant-man-and-the-wasp-fits-into-infinity-war-spoilers/
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Not BAMF on July 06, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
The movie did way too much telling about Ghost's powers hurting her without actually SHOWING it. She looked badass and awesome, but occasionally said some shit like "Oh, my powers hurt". There was no sympathy there at all because it wasn't believable. That really bothered me the whole time. Visually, she was fascinating, but as a character, she was nothing.

Paul Rudd is a god damn treasure. Evangeline Lilly and Michael Pena were both great. The girl that plays Cassie Lang is delightful. Hell, give her her own movie; I'd watch it.

Aside from that, it was good, not great. It was funny and charming, but really kind of empty. Nowhere near as good as the first one. With the understanding that the MCU no longer makes movies that are worse than "good", I would say it was the worst MCU flick since Iron Man 3.

B- (upon first viewing; I will see it again, and that may well move up)
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Red Exodus on July 07, 2018, 09:35:29 AM
Really disappointed with this one.

Ghost looked cool and had cool powers, but her role in the story was so
fucking nonexistent. She felt more like an afterthought or an annoyance
as opposed to an actual antagonist. Even though he sucked as well,
Yellow Jacket was a far better villain than she was. And continuing with
the MCU tradition, Ghost had 0 character to her.

Wasp stole the show. She had the best action sequences by far.
Ant-Man himself on the other hand, kinda sucked in this. He was
completely outstaged by her/action scene wise.

The humor was still strong in this, much like the 1st one. Luis' truth
serum moment was probably the funniest part of the movie.

Laurence Fishburne played a great Bill Foster, Randall Park was endearing
as Jimmy Woo, and the original cast was still solid.

And also, Janet's Deus Ex Machina power to heal Ghost was so laughably
bad. It was like damn, just write off Ghost already with this shit.

This was a disappointment. Been awhile since Marvel had one of these.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Thanos6 on July 08, 2018, 08:41:02 AM
I thought it was as good as the first one. Absolutely hilarious in some parts.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: altoon on July 08, 2018, 09:19:19 AM
I actually liked it more than the first until someone point out a flaw in the movie and ruined it for me. Still enjoyed it just not as much.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 08, 2018, 11:23:31 AM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Bandido on July 08, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Lol "...unclear..." In other words my mountain of grievances, may or may not be legitimate. What joke, if anything, that's the pseudo science.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 08, 2018, 03:20:30 PM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."
As soon as The Daily Beast pointed this out to altoon the movie was ruined for him.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 08, 2018, 07:24:04 PM
I just got back:

The Good

It's funnier than the last one.  Even when they reused jokes form the previous one (Luis telling stories, Scott making up pun-names for ants, etc), it works as the jokes are running gags for the characters themselves, so it doesn't come off as forced (I usually hate it when comedy sequels reuse jokes).  Walter Goggins and Randall Park's characters were pretty funny, too.

The action sequences are also better.  These movies keep finding ways to make shrinking/growing powers look interesting.  Ghost's phasing power was also a nice contrast to their abilities which made for fun action scenes.  That chase scene was insane as well.

The first after credits scene was predictable but still pretty damn awesome.  As for the second... anyone else notice that they showed the giant ant playing drums in one of the trailers?  Seems kinda weird that they showed an after credits scene in a trailer.  Not that it took anything away from it.

The Quantum Realm was cool, especially in 3D.  I would've been okay if they just had an entire movie where the heroes float through the Quatum Realm like a modern day Fantastic Voyage.

I like the little bit of the Sokovia Accords we saw in this movie as well as how the Civil War affected not only Scott but also Hope and Hank.  The MCU is doing a great job of showing how the Accords/Civil War affected the world.

The Bad:

Ghost and Foster's plan makes no sense whatsoever.  They want Hank to go to the Quantum Realm to get his wife back, so why not go to Hank and say "Hey, if you go to this dimension and get your wife back, everyone wins".  I know they don't like Pym too much, but it's obvious he would want to get his wife back just as much as they would.  To make matters worse, they soon find out that's EXACTLY what Pym is trying to do but they then proceed to... try to stop them?  I mean, at the end of the movie, Ghost is outright trying to keep the heroes from doing the exact thing she wants them to do.  You'd think she'd team up with them against the arms dealers at point.  But no, she goes about trying to kill the very people she shouldn't want to die.

Hank and Hope get pissed at Scott for bailing on them to make sure the FBI doesn't find out he left his house.  That's on them.  They kidnapped Scott and put him in a position where he could go to prison for a very long time.  He had every right to ditch them for an hour or two so that he won't get in trouble.  I get it that they would be pissed he went off to Germany without telling them, but they had no case against him this time.

I would have liked to see more Giant Man.  We got a glimpse of him in Civil War and he was all over the trailers, but he didn't do anything besides walk through some water and faint.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: altoon on July 08, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."
As soon as The Daily Beast pointed this out to altoon the movie was ruined for him.

Nah nothing that complex.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Thanos6 on July 09, 2018, 12:02:07 AM
Ghost and Foster's plan makes no sense whatsoever.  They want Hank to go to the Quantum Realm to get his wife back, so why not go to Hank and say "Hey, if you go to this dimension and get your wife back, everyone wins".  I know they don't like Pym too much, but it's obvious he would want to get his wife back just as much as they would.  To make matters worse, they soon find out that's EXACTLY what Pym is trying to do but they then proceed to... try to stop them?  I mean, at the end of the movie, Ghost is outright trying to keep the heroes from doing the exact thing she wants them to do.  You'd think she'd team up with them against the arms dealers at point.  But no, she goes about trying to kill the very people she shouldn't want to die.

Well, Foster admits that their plan involving Janet has a good chance of killing her, which obviously Hank and co. don't want to happen. Also, Ghost was able to start siphoning off part of Janet's quantum energy before they even returned to the "real world," so they didn't need her back.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on July 10, 2018, 10:08:50 AM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."

I like how the argument here switches gears from the cure looks like “white science” to the cure looks like “tent revival preachers”. Healing by laying hands is not a white phenomenon, and you can see versions of it across cultures and religions. But uh... the word quantum is used, so it’s science... and a white person healed someone, so WHITE SCIENCE!

I also like the take that curing a dying person is somehow worse than helping them cope.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 10, 2018, 10:16:49 AM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."

I like how the argument here switches gears from the cure looks like “white science” to the cure looks like “tent revival preachers”. Healing by laying hands is not a white phenomenon, and you can see versions of it across cultures and religions. But uh... the word quantum is used, so it’s science... and a white person healed someone, so WHITE SCIENCE!

I also like the take that curing a dying person is somehow worse than helping them cope.

Yeah, so if you are a white doctor, you are apparently supposed to let non-whites die.  That's how you fight racism!
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 10, 2018, 05:33:51 PM
There is a lot of flaws to this movie but in spite of all of that I still really enjoyed it. The actors and action sequences really made this movie a fun ride.

Ghost and Foster's plan makes no sense whatsoever.  They want Hank to go to the Quantum Realm to get his wife back, so why not go to Hank and say "Hey, if you go to this dimension and get your wife back, everyone wins".  I know they don't like Pym too much, but it's obvious he would want to get his wife back just as much as they would.  To make matters worse, they soon find out that's EXACTLY what Pym is trying to do but they then proceed to... try to stop them?  I mean, at the end of the movie, Ghost is outright trying to keep the heroes from doing the exact thing she wants them to do.  You'd think she'd team up with them against the arms dealers at point.  But no, she goes about trying to kill the very people she shouldn't want to die.

Well, Foster admits that their plan involving Janet has a good chance of killing her, which obviously Hank and co. don't want to happen. Also, Ghost was able to start siphoning off part of Janet's quantum energy before they even returned to the "real world," so they didn't need her back.

I don't think they wanted to go get her. They wanted to syphon off her the quantum energy using her as conduit. When they start the process Janet isn't out of the quantum realm yet.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 10, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Hm, I got the impression they wanted to bring her back and siphon her energy.  I missed where they said they could kill her.  Considering the ending, it seems like Janet can just go all Green Mile, so that made me think their mission was all for naught and they could have chilled the fuck out for a day or two to see if Janet had the energy they needed.  Made all the worse by the post-credit scene where apparently Ant Man can just hop into the Quantum Realm and capture the energy in a jar.  Granted, Foster didn't know all this but it seems like he could have approached the situation in a more intelligent way.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 10, 2018, 07:27:08 PM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."

I like how the argument here switches gears from the cure looks like “white science” to the cure looks like “tent revival preachers”. Healing by laying hands is not a white phenomenon, and you can see versions of it across cultures and religions. But uh... the word quantum is used, so it’s science... and a white person healed someone, so WHITE SCIENCE!

I also like the take that curing a dying person is somehow worse than helping them cope.


It's why I posted it  ;D
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 10, 2018, 10:06:38 PM
Hm, I got the impression they wanted to bring her back and siphon her energy.  I missed where they said they could kill her.  Considering the ending, it seems like Janet can just go all Green Mile, so that made me think their mission was all for naught and they could have chilled the fuck out for a day or two to see if Janet had the energy they needed.  Made all the worse by the post-credit scene where apparently Ant Man can just hop into the Quantum Realm and capture the energy in a jar.  Granted, Foster didn't know all this but it seems like he could have approached the situation in a more intelligent way.

Well Pym did think he was a bit of a twit.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: altoon on July 13, 2018, 01:41:08 AM
Well Ben and Ghost had legitimate beef with Pym so they weren't going to consult with him
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 13, 2018, 06:46:33 AM
Well Ben and Ghost had legitimate beef with Pym so they weren't going to consult with him

And yet they still needed his tech and knowledge.  They proved they weren't really the villain types when Foster thought Hank was having a heart attack or when they decided not to go after the Lang family.  At the end, when they realized the Pyms can easily help them out, they were pretty damn quick to forget any beef they had.  It seemed like the villains were tacked on just for the sake of having villains.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 13, 2018, 12:40:50 PM
I don't know what point you are talking about. They didn't have a change of heart until Ghost was pretty much out of time and Janet said she can help her. Do you mean the end credit scene? I'm guessing in between Hank apologized and stopped being such a dick since Janet is back.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 13, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Yeah, the end credit scene.  Maybe Hank stopped being a dick or they just decided "This dick can help us" and accepted his help.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 13, 2018, 01:52:42 PM
We don't really know how much Ghost and Foster has forgiven them since we don't see them. We just know the family is helping them and even if Ghost and Foster are holding a grudge I don't see why they wouldn't accept their help or why Scott and crew wouldn't help them.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 13, 2018, 02:55:00 PM
We just know the family is helping them and even if Ghost and Foster are holding a grudge I don't see why they wouldn't accept their help or why Scott and crew wouldn't help them.

Exactly.  There's no reason for them not to accept their help nor why the Pyms wouldn't be willing to help.  It makes them look idiotic.  We know both Ghost and Foster are intelligent and they're not crazy (Ghost is desperate and kinda unhinged due to chronic pain and her looming death, but she isn't that unhinged).  So it makes me wonder why they didn't come to a more rational conclusion.  Certainly the writers could have come up with something better.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 13, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Well I can see why Foster wouldn't want to ask directly since he and Pym didn't work well together, Foster was pretty sure he had to siphon off Janet's quantum energy, and he knew Pym would just try and stop him. None of that got resolved until Janet showed up and fixed everything. Basically the problem is that Foster put Ghost ahead of Janet and vice versa.

Granted the writers could have probably come up with something better but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that being the reason for the conflict.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Thanos6 on July 14, 2018, 04:22:47 AM
It was certainly much better handled than the second "Pirates Of The Caribbean" movie, where there was absolutely no reason Jack and Will couldn't work together.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: AP on July 14, 2018, 06:01:01 AM
Well I can see why Foster wouldn't want to ask directly since he and Pym didn't work well together, Foster was pretty sure he had to siphon off Janet's quantum energy, and he knew Pym would just try and stop him. None of that got resolved until Janet showed up and fixed everything. Basically the problem is that Foster put Ghost ahead of Janet and vice versa.

Granted the writers could have probably come up with something better but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that being the reason for the conflict.

When I bring up the writers, I feel like they could have thrown in some initial misunderstanding or something early on.  They initially set things up as a mystery with the heroes trying to figure out who Ghost works for, but that mystery only lasts for a few minutes, so they could have used that time to set things up differently.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on July 14, 2018, 08:01:10 AM
It was certainly much better handled than the second "Pirates Of The Caribbean" movie, where there was absolutely no reason Jack and Will couldn't work together.

Yeah, the writers wanted that three-way sword fight.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Thanos6 on July 17, 2018, 02:09:48 AM
It was certainly much better handled than the second "Pirates Of The Caribbean" movie, where there was absolutely no reason Jack and Will couldn't work together.

Yeah, the writers wanted that three-way sword fight.

Jack: "I want the heart of Davy Jones so I can kill him and take over the Flying Dutchman!"
Will: "I want the heart of Davy Jones so I can force him to release my father from being enslaved on the Flying Dutchman!"

And never, NOT ONCE, did they discuss the possibility of Jack killing Davy Jones, taking over the Flying Dutchman, and then releasing Will's father and anyone else who didn't want to be there; which you know he would do, since Jack's whole thing is freedom and he can't stand seeing people be slaves.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: 80sBaby on July 17, 2018, 10:02:31 AM
They wanted to play it like Will didn't trust Jack but that's stupid considering he was loyal, to the point of risking death to protect Sparrow, in the beginning of the movie.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on July 17, 2018, 03:00:30 PM
Yeah, but THREE WAY SWORDFIGHT. Did I mention a chunk takes place on a water wheel? THAT BREAKS LOOSE AND TRAMPLED THROUGH THE JUNGLE!?
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on July 18, 2018, 09:19:38 PM
THAT BREAKS LOOSE AND TRAMPLED THROUGH THE JUNGLE!?

Let's not forget the bank in the last one that was designed with wheels so you can drag the whooole building down the street...
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Uhtceare on July 26, 2018, 12:10:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyKUsW08yw
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: scourge on July 26, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
Just watched it and damn do they know what they’re doing at Marvel. They keep the brand strong as to the “white” science—it doesn’t bother me. This isn’t an exclusive idea in Marvel the last movie they put out, the super scientist everyone went to for help was a black woman from Africa.

The relationships were good, the tension was good. Yes Ghost was making “dumb” moves in a way in that open communication would been better but Mercury is in retrograde and she also wasn’t in her right mind. Bill didn’t go to Hank bc he didn’t trust him and there was no relationship there at first.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on July 28, 2018, 07:20:56 AM
Yep. Ghost and Bill didn’t trust Hank, so they made a plan based on stealing from him.

When Hank learned of the plan, he refused to help because it could kill Janet.

Bill slowly changes his mind, but Ghost is dying and not acting rationally. So she continues attacking and moving forward with the plan.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: scourge on July 28, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
I’ll be honest—the only thing where I was like, “really?!” And couldn’t suspend disbelief was that Janet’s make-up was perfect after 30 years in the quantum zone. I know it gave her powers and all but she should be a stinky mess
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Insane Titan on August 02, 2018, 05:22:09 PM
The quantum energy Scott was gathering will surely be used in Avengers 4 in some way.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 02, 2018, 09:12:32 PM
I’ll be honest—the only thing where I was like, “really?!” And couldn’t suspend disbelief was that Janet’s make-up was perfect after 30 years in the quantum zone. I know it gave her powers and all but she should be a stinky mess

Would she smell though? Isn't most of our stench caused by bacterial growth and if so wouldn't she we would much smaller than the bacteria.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Master on August 04, 2018, 03:03:54 PM
I’ll be honest—the only thing where I was like, “really?!” And couldn’t suspend disbelief was that Janet’s make-up was perfect after 30 years in the quantum zone. I know it gave her powers and all but she should be a stinky mess

Would she smell though? Isn't most of our stench caused by bacterial growth and if so wouldn't she we would much smaller than the bacteria.

I’d imagine some bacteria was naturally on her inside her suit when she shrunk.

Interesting part is that she evolved beyond needing the suit apparently. As Hank has said, you need that suit to avoid going nutso from the Pym Particle energies.

Also, some people have said a distant city may be in the background as they start ascending out of the quantum realm. Janet has likely seen insane shit for decades.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: -K-M- on August 05, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
How did Scott mail the suit back home? He was captured at the airport

When he got the old suit back why did he keep using the glitchy new suit?
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 05, 2018, 11:46:32 PM
They used the one part of the old suit to build the tracker. I assumed they never had a chance to out the suit back together.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: -K-M- on August 06, 2018, 10:55:37 AM
Didn’t seem to take them long to build the tracker, so wouldn’t have taken them long to disssemble it

Later Pymmade a new way to track the lab, so he didn’t need the old suit anymore. Movie ruined.

Actually I liked it, just those two points made me scratch my head
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: ProjectCornDog on August 06, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
Great film, I loved how much Hank Pym we got!
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on November 22, 2018, 07:56:32 AM
Finally got to watch this.

A totally fun & enjoyable popcorn ride.

I was cringing when they finally brought Janet back. I was seriously waiting for that cliched & "unexpected" death scene.
Even as the end of the film neared, I was expecting her to be tragically killed & I'm glad for the syrupy sweet ending...even if it doesn't fit the Marvel norm.

Only thing I kept scratching my head over was why did the lab have to be stored inside a ten storey building?
The lab itself looked to only take up at least 2 maybe 3 storeys.
Or why they didn't keep it miniaturised the whole time whilst working inside...instead of constantly taking up an entire neighbourhood block???

The seagulls had me in hysterics!
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 22, 2018, 10:03:33 AM
Each individual probably wasn't designed to be miniaturized.

The math and science involved with doing the experiment while mini would probably be drastically different and they were already way ahead the other way.
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 22, 2018, 05:57:02 PM
from The Daily Beast

"Instead of helping Ava find a way to cope (and not necessarily eradicate) her disability, the film seeks to provide a cure. It does so with its own version of “white science,” a term coined by author Carol Clover in her psychoanalytic exploration of horror films, Men, Women, and Chainsaws. It refers to anything considered to be “Western traditional medicine,” usually dispensed or controlled by a white man. The quantum realm functions as this film’s white science, a magical but wholly scientific world discovered by Hank Pym. Once she is freed from the realm, Janet offers to save Ava by transferring her quantum energy into her. She lays her hands on Ava—a technique often associated with tent revival preachers who “cured” poor, afflicted people by touch—and saves the woman through scientific technology.

One could say Janet’s benevolence absolves Hank of his sins [of white privilege], or posits her as a white savior for this disabled woman of color, but it’s unclear whether any of that is directly coded into the film."

Wow!  Totally wasn't looking at that angle of the movie. 
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Riv1 on November 23, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
^^^Because its retarded.

So, good for you, really. :P
Title: Re: Ant-man and Wasp (spoilers) discussion
Post by: Bandido on November 24, 2018, 06:26:50 PM
Holy balls, combined the Charlie Brown fiasco the strawman argument has ascended to new heights.