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Title: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Insane Titan on June 16, 2018, 02:36:22 AM
Thoughts on this?

I was really disappointed
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: HalloweenJack on June 16, 2018, 08:25:47 AM
there's a reviewer from the UK who saw it, Mr. H who felt the same way. like it was two movies crammed into one.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Insane Titan on June 16, 2018, 01:29:33 PM
Is it not out in the US yet?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: AP on June 16, 2018, 03:38:23 PM
there's a reviewer from the UK who saw it, Mr. H who felt the same way. like it was two movies crammed into one.

I got that impression by the trailer, honestly.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: HalloweenJack on June 16, 2018, 09:58:42 PM
Is it not out in the US yet?

it may have come out this weekend, but it shows how little i actually care since i don't know
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: altoon on June 16, 2018, 10:14:56 PM
It looked like Jurassic Park 2 and that movie was shit mostly.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 23, 2018, 06:55:32 PM
I liked it. Triceratops stomps someone the fuck out in this.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 23, 2018, 10:19:56 PM
I liked it too. Dino's went on a rampage.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Bandido on June 27, 2018, 04:11:20 AM
The first hour of this was awesome, then it slowly crashed from there. It really wasn't that bad, but the writing got exceptionally lazy. And the plot twist of Maysie being a clone jumped 40 sharks and then was just sweapt under the rug. And freeing the dinosaurs at the end condems millions to die, but, "They're alive, just like me." - so it's okay?

That being said, Pratt is a clap and cheer for, two-fisted adventurer! Your kids just may have a new, "Dr. Jones" to root for!
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Insane Titan on June 27, 2018, 05:01:54 AM
The first hour of this was awesome, then it slowly crashed from there. It really wasn't that bad, but the writing got exceptionally lazy. And the plot twist of Maysie being a clone jumped 40 sharks and then was just sweapt under the rug. And freeing the dinosaurs at the end condems millions to die, but, "They're alive, just like me." - so it's okay?

That being said, Pratt is a clap and cheer for, two-fisted adventurer! Your kids just may have a new, "Dr. Jones" to root for!
Yeah I agree , Pratt does come off as a great Indy type of guy.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 27, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
The first hour of this was awesome, then it slowly crashed from there. It really wasn't that bad, but the writing got exceptionally lazy. And the plot twist of Maysie being a clone jumped 40 sharks and then was just sweapt under the rug. And freeing the dinosaurs at the end condems millions to die, but, "They're alive, just like me." - so it's okay?

That being said, Pratt is a clap and cheer for, two-fisted adventurer! Your kids just may have a new, "Dr. Jones" to root for!
How does it condemn millions to die? They only rescued like 25 animals and almost all of them were herbivores.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Ditto on June 27, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
The first hour of this was awesome, then it slowly crashed from there. It really wasn't that bad, but the writing got exceptionally lazy. And the plot twist of Maysie being a clone jumped 40 sharks and then was just sweapt under the rug. And freeing the dinosaurs at the end condems millions to die, but, "They're alive, just like me." - so it's okay?

That being said, Pratt is a clap and cheer for, two-fisted adventurer! Your kids just may have a new, "Dr. Jones" to root for!
Yeah I agree , Pratt does come off as a great Indy type of guy.

There‚Äôs probably  a reason they recreated the scene of him running down the hill the way they did
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 27, 2018, 11:42:42 AM
The first hour of this was awesome, then it slowly crashed from there. It really wasn't that bad, but the writing got exceptionally lazy. And the plot twist of Maysie being a clone jumped 40 sharks and then was just sweapt under the rug. And freeing the dinosaurs at the end condems millions to die, but, "They're alive, just like me." - so it's okay?

That being said, Pratt is a clap and cheer for, two-fisted adventurer! Your kids just may have a new, "Dr. Jones" to root for!

I'm glad they had the kid who just found out she is a clone instead of Bryce's character.  Im cool with them not dwelling on the revelation. I actually hate scenes when people stand around processing their feelings when chaotic shit is going down around them. If I found out I was a clone while Dinos were running around eating people I'd still be more concerned about the dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Uhtceare on June 27, 2018, 02:05:26 PM
Yeah, it just seems bizarre that she's suddenly on the dinosaurs side because she finds out she's a clone. If I found out I was a clone, I wouldn't give a fuck. I certainly wouldn't side with people-eating monsters just because we were created by the same process. Hell, I am created by the same natural process that creates tigers, but I'm not gonna root for tigers to run amuck because of that.

Hell, if I found out I was a clone, my concerns would be mostly practical. Will I develop the sort of health problems animal clones have in the real world? Is there some way I can parlay my clone status into money, like charging for interviews and autographs? Maybe gain some celebrity status by writing a book about my life as a clone, and the "trauma"(which would be mostly faked) of discovering I was a clone? My first thought wouldn't be, "I am must side with my fellow clones, for even if they are people-eating monsters, we are united in clonehood!" The fuck?

I suspect that there was a philosophical issue in the minds of the writers that doesn't exist in the minds of the general audience. In their minds, questions like "are clones truly alive? Do clones have souls?" and that sort of thing was something they thought was a real issue. In the minds of the general audience, that sort of thing is a "duh". As in, duh, yeah they're obviously alive. As for souls: I don't believe in souls. Even those people who do believe in souls often don't think animals, regardless of origin, have souls. Humans they just tend to assume have souls, and clones of humans they tend to just assume have souls, same way they assume people created by in vitro fertilzation do, without giving it much thought.

So it's not some big issue weighing on the mind of the general audience. And without that issue weighing on ours minds the way it clearly did the writers, her actions just seem completely nutty and our of left-field.

TLDR version: Jurassic Park is not the place for Blade Runner themes.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 27, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
Yeah, it just seems bizarre that she's suddenly on the dinosaurs side because she finds out she's a clone. If I found out I was a clone, I wouldn't give a fuck. I certainly wouldn't side with people-eating monsters just because we were created by the same process. Hell, I am created by the same natural process that creates tigers, but I'm not gonna root for tigers to run amuck because of that.

Hell, if I found out I was a clone, my concerns would be mostly practical. Will I develop the sort of health problems animal clones have in the real world? Is there some way I can parlay my clone status into money, like charging for interviews and autographs? Maybe gain some celebrity status by writing a book about my life as a clone, and the "trauma"(which would be mostly faked) of discovering I was a clone? My first thought wouldn't be, "I am must side with my fellow clones, for even if they are people-eating monsters, we are united in clonehood!" The fuck?

I suspect that there was a philosophical issue in the minds of the writers that doesn't exist in the minds of the general audience. In their minds, questions like "are clones truly alive? Do clones have souls?" and that sort of thing was something they thought was a real issue. In the minds of the general audience, that sort of thing is a "duh". As in, duh, yeah they're obviously alive. As for souls: I don't believe in souls. Even those people who do believe in souls often don't think animals, regardless of origin, have souls. Humans they just tend to assume have souls, and clones of humans they tend to just assume have souls, same way they assume people created by in vitro fertilzation do, without giving it much thought.

So it's not some big issue weighing on the mind of the general audience. And without that issue weighing on ours minds the way it clearly did the writers, her actions just seem completely nutty and our of left-field.

TLDR version: Jurassic Park is not the place for Blade Runner themes.
She was on the dinosaurs' side throughout the entire movie. That was a key part of her character, completely independent of finding out she was a clone.


She spent entire days pretending she was living asking dinosaurs. That's why she ran to tell her Grandpa when she discovered the guy was going to sell them. She was being raised to care about dinosaurs, and she's from the generation that always had them alive in the world.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 27, 2018, 02:52:31 PM
Also shes like 12. Health concerns are probably less on her mind then the type of existential crisis she's young through and neither has the time it mental maturity to process.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Bandido on June 27, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
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Hell, if I found out I was a clone, my concerns would be mostly practical. Will I develop the sort of health problems animal clones have in the real world? Is there some way I can parlay my clone status into money, like charging for interviews and autographs? Maybe gain some celebrity status by writing a book about my life as a clone, and the "trauma"(which would be mostly faked) of discovering I was a clone? ?

That's the most beautiful over analyitical critique of a movie I've read.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Master on June 27, 2018, 11:41:43 PM
So anyway, why did they need to rescue the dinosaurs on the island when they can just whip up batches with their crazy DNA tech?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Master on June 27, 2018, 11:43:26 PM
And why wait until volcano event to try and smuggle dinosaurs?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 28, 2018, 12:12:29 AM
So anyway, why did they need to rescue the dinosaurs on the island when they can just whip up batches with their crazy DNA tech?
It's dramatically cheaper to breed them or use blood from dinosaurs already alive. Creating them from DNA doesn't always work, which is why BioSyn ("Dodgson! Dodgson! We've got Dodgson here!") tried to steal the viable embryos in the book and first movie.

For Henry Wu it's much easier because he refined the process, but it's still no guarantee.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Bandido on June 28, 2018, 04:53:55 AM
I also feel like he went from eager beaver scientist, to evil meglomaniac for no real reason.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 28, 2018, 08:22:25 AM
I also feel like he went from eager beaver scientist, to evil meglomaniac for no real reason.
The Indian guy, Mizrani, was going to blame him for everything after the I-Rex escaped. At first he was like "Why are you blaming me? We've been making changes to them since day 1." "Yeah, but not like this! You're going down!"

If Mizrani didn't die in the helicopter crash, Wu probably would have been successfully blamed for everything.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Whiskeyclone on June 28, 2018, 11:03:30 AM
I watch each one sooner or later, but honestly, I don't think any since the excellent original have been worth much other than the basic fun of seeing dinosaurs on screen.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: AP on June 28, 2018, 11:36:09 AM
I watch each one sooner or later, but honestly, I don't think any since the excellent original have been worth much other than the basic fun of seeing dinosaurs on screen.

Yeah, the first one is the only one I really loved.  JP2 had a lot of goofy things about it and I forgot JP3 the moment I stopped watching it.  Jurassic World was a fun romp but still didn't wow me the way the original did.  I'll give this one a shot eventually, but I'm not in a rush.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Bandido on June 28, 2018, 03:34:27 PM
The more I think about that twist the weaker it seems, the ability to clone humans would be worth so much more than the ability to clone dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 28, 2018, 04:22:57 PM
How was that a twist instead of a plot development leading into a third film?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 28, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
Yeah I didn't see it as a twist either.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on June 28, 2018, 08:03:21 PM
There was a rumour a couple of years ago of cloning dinosaur & human DNA to produce a "super soldier army."

-shrug-
This could potentially be the next movie...
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: HalloweenJack on June 30, 2018, 01:14:09 PM
https://uproxx.com/hitfix/jurassic-world-2-jurassic-park-franchise-plot-holes/

felt the urge to throw this out here, because I was wondering about Isla Sorna myself
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: scourge on July 09, 2018, 09:53:30 PM
SPOILERS IF YOU CONTINUE


Was this the darkest one yet?
That one dino wailing in the smoke and ash? The old man getting pillow smothered and his "grand daughter" finding his body?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 09, 2018, 11:04:21 PM
https://uproxx.com/hitfix/jurassic-world-2-jurassic-park-franchise-plot-holes/

felt the urge to throw this out here, because I was wondering about Isla Sorna myself
You were wondering why they didn't move to the island whose power source was almost exclusively geothermal?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Thanos6 on July 10, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Overall, I liked it, but one thing that bugged me was just how glaringly inaccurate the portrayal of the volcanic eruption was. I mean, I'm no geologist, but there is absolutely no way they should have survived what they did on Isla Nublar.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 10, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
Overall, I liked it, but one thing that bugged me was just how glaringly inaccurate the portrayal of the volcanic eruption was. I mean, I'm no geologist, but there is absolutely no way they should have survived what they did on Isla Nublar.
Running or driving through a pyroclastic flow is pretty standard for movies featuring volcanos. I think Dante's Peak is the only one that was even close to portraying those accurately.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: HalloweenJack on July 13, 2018, 05:59:47 PM
https://uproxx.com/hitfix/jurassic-world-2-jurassic-park-franchise-plot-holes/

felt the urge to throw this out here, because I was wondering about Isla Sorna myself
You were wondering why they didn't move to the island whose power source was almost exclusively geothermal?

no, just why there was no reference to the other island. I was wondering if they were ignoring the Lost World and 3 and starting on a new continuity
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 13, 2018, 09:19:13 PM
https://uproxx.com/hitfix/jurassic-world-2-jurassic-park-franchise-plot-holes/ (https://uproxx.com/hitfix/jurassic-world-2-jurassic-park-franchise-plot-holes/)

felt the urge to throw this out here, because I was wondering about Isla Sorna myself
You were wondering why they didn't move to the island whose power source was almost exclusively geothermal?

no, just why there was no reference to the other island. I was wondering if they were ignoring the Lost World and 3 and starting on a new continuity
There's actually a bunch of stuff on the website and will probably be in extra content. A lot of people forgot (or didn't know) a few things even aside from the volcanic activity at Site B.

Part of the problems on the island stem from prion infections. Dinosaurs were dying for shit they didn't even do.


The lysine contingency in earlier generations was passed down to some of the dinosaurs. If they didn't get lysine in their diet, they would die.

The other problem was the spinosaurus. They didn't realize it would be so territorial. It wasn't as bad as the Indominus Rex, but it was fucking up the ecosystem they let develop on Isla Sorna.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Accel on July 16, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
How was that a twist instead of a plot development leading into a third film?
It can be both, the two aren't mutually exclusive. 

If they play up the human cloning angle in the next one, fine, but why reveal it in the third act of THIS film if it doesn't play into anything at all aside from her letting the dinosaurs go?
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Accel on July 16, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
So anyway, why did they need to rescue the dinosaurs on the island when they can just whip up batches with their crazy DNA tech?
It's dramatically cheaper to breed them or use blood from dinosaurs already alive. Creating them from DNA doesn't always work, which is why BioSyn ("Dodgson! Dodgson! We've got Dodgson here!") tried to steal the viable embryos in the book and first movie.

For Henry Wu it's much easier because he refined the process, but it's still no guarantee.
The first Jurassic World gave the impression that it wasn't too difficult for them, they were literally creating whatever hybrids they wanted just because people were actually getting bored with regular dinosaurs.

And did they try an alternative first?  If not, it was reckless to have people to go to an island full of dinosaurs with an active volcano as their first resort.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 16, 2018, 09:41:30 PM
So anyway, why did they need to rescue the dinosaurs on the island when they can just whip up batches with their crazy DNA tech?
It's dramatically cheaper to breed them or use blood from dinosaurs already alive. Creating them from DNA doesn't always work, which is why BioSyn ("Dodgson! Dodgson! We've got Dodgson here!") tried to steal the viable embryos in the book and first movie.

For Henry Wu it's much easier because he refined the process, but it's still no guarantee.
The first Jurassic World gave the impression that it wasn't too difficult for them, they were literally creating whatever hybrids they wanted just because people were actually getting bored with regular dinosaurs.

And did they try an alternative first?  If not, it was reckless to have people to go to an island full of dinosaurs with an active volcano as their first resort.
The first Jurassic World had an active park and as much blood as they needed. The dinosaurs were alive and plentiful.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: Accel on July 17, 2018, 08:51:19 AM
They weren't taking blood samples from the dinosaurs already living in the in the park.  They still had all that on hand, whether the dinosaurs lived or not.
Title: Re: Jurassic World 2
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 09:21:28 AM
They weren't taking blood samples from the dinosaurs already living in the in the park.  They still had all that on hand, whether the dinosaurs lived or not.
Yeah, they had blood and embryos. Whichever they needed at any time.