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Title: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 12, 2018, 08:02:37 PM
Who are the strongest and most powerful characters Spider-Man in original Earth 616 comics continuity that he defeated. Cosmic powered Spider-Man does not count as it has to be the normal version of Spider-Man.

This is about what superheroes and villains in the Marvel Universe he defeated with his original powers or using technology to win.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 12, 2018, 08:30:10 PM
Who are the strongest and most powerful characters Spider-Man in original Earth 616 comics continuity that he defeated. Cosmic powered Spider-Man does not count as it has to be the normal version of Spider-Man.

This is about what superheroes and villains in the Marvel Universe he defeated with his original powers or using technology to win.

Well, Guess that would be a herald level.  He did knock Firelord the fuck out. I don't think the symbiote suit really amped ones strength at that point either.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: AP on May 12, 2018, 10:45:29 PM
On average?  Probably The Rhino.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 13, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
On average?  Probably The Rhino.

Sinse you mentioned it, what comic had angry Spider-Man throwing punches to overwhelm Rhino into knocking him out.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: AP on May 13, 2018, 10:27:04 AM
On average?  Probably The Rhino.

Sinse you mentioned it, what comic had angry Spider-Man throwing punches to overwhelm Rhino into knocking him out.

There was an old issue of Spectacular Spider-Man where he got pissed and beat him down due to Harry Osborn's mind games.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 13, 2018, 07:17:43 PM
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There was an old issue of Spectacular Spider-Man where he got pissed and beat him down due to Harry Osborn's mind games.

The Rhino must have got on Spider-Mans badside.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Not BAMF on May 13, 2018, 08:12:22 PM
I love that issue. Spidey just DESTROYS Rhino mercilessly. He had been hounded by Harry Osborn's mind games for months, and when he thought Harry told Rhino his secret identity, he went NUTS o him. Great stuff.

Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 14, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
Did Spider-Man defeat Iron Man in a fight before in a comic?.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Not BAMF on May 14, 2018, 01:47:18 PM
He HAS, yes, but I don't think anyone believes that's the majority out of 10.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 14, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
He's just asking for wins, not majorities.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Not BAMF on May 14, 2018, 01:50:49 PM
I saw AP's reply starting with "On average?" and got it stuck in my head we were looking at who he could beat 5.1/10. Don't mind me.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: AP on May 14, 2018, 02:21:13 PM
Yeah, I was just bringing up averages as someone already mentioned Firlord.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Sick Nick on May 14, 2018, 04:42:13 PM
Firelord definitely

Also Iron Man 2020 who was supposed to be more powerful than the regular IM of the same era. Peter smashed his armour up with his blows

Spidey takes a majority over Rhino but mainly thanks to smarts and webbing. That Spectacular beat down was a real outlier and for every issue where Spidey can take Rhino down with his fists, there’s another where Rhino can barely feel his punches

Thing’s a possibility. He’s obviously a much better fighter than Rhino but not much more powerful, if at all. Spidey’s generally performed pretty well against Benjy.

Also, Titania, although she isn’t as strong as Thing or Rhino.

In an Acts of Vengeance follow up, Pete best Goliath by webbing his ankles together but that was a bit of a stretch.

Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Sick Nick on May 14, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
Peter brought Eric Thorsterson to his knees with a speed blitz but was taken out by lightning
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on May 14, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
Spidey has a clean win over the Hulk and he's the strongest one there is so that's your answer if you're looking for a one-off underdog possibility rather than an average showing.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 14, 2018, 06:06:33 PM
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Also Iron Man 2020 who was supposed to be more powerful than the regular IM of the same era. Peter smashed his armour up with his blows.

What about Iron Man/Tony Stark, Has Spider-Man defeated him in the comics before?.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: AP on May 14, 2018, 06:15:53 PM
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Also Iron Man 2020 who was supposed to be more powerful than the regular IM of the same era. Peter smashed his armour up with his blows.

What about Iron Man/Tony Stark, Has Spider-Man defeated him in the comics before?.

Yes, but he didn't use raw strength.  He just wrapped him in a cocoon.  Tony got out of it, though, so it's more like he won via pin.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 14, 2018, 06:23:57 PM
What comic story was this from?, as I just found this while searching a random comic gallery.

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141134/3869365--049.jpg)
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 10:40:37 AM
The above scan is from Amazing Spider-Man: Who Am I? Infinite Digital Comic #3. The most powerful beings Spider-Man has beaten with his standard powers/gear would include the Hulk, Firelord, Goliath and Quasar.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 10:55:17 AM
The above scan is from Amazing Spider-Man: Who Am I? Infinite Digital Comic #3. The most powerful beings Spider-Man has beaten with his standard powers/gear would include the Hulk, Firelord, Goliath and Quasar.

So that came from a digital Spider-Man comic. He beaten Quasar before, thats very interesting he was able to do that.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 11:07:40 AM
Wendell was mind-controlled and pursuing Spider-Man through Project Pegasus, and Spidey ambushed him with a web-line/web-ball combo which knocked him out. Presumably, he didn't have any shielding up at the time, but this took place before his solo series, so he wasn't that experienced yet.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Marvel-Team-Up-1972/Annual-5?id=34728#28
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 11:26:32 AM
Wendell was mind-controlled and pursuing Spider-Man through Project Pegasus, and Spidey ambushed him with a web-line/web-ball combo which knocked him out. Presumably, he didn't have any shielding up at the time, but this took place before his solo series, so he wasn't that experienced yet.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Marvel-Team-Up-1972/Annual-5?id=34728#28

Funny how that web ball just knocked him out. that comic looks like it came from the 60's/70's era.

Has Spider-Man ever beaten members of the X-Men, Fantastic Four or other members of the Avengers. plus what version of Thor did he defeat and what story was that from?.

Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Not BAMF on May 15, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
The Thor he beat was Masterson Thor.

And Spidey famously defeated the ENTIRE X-Men in Secret Wars.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 11:44:52 AM
The Thor he beat was Masterson Thor.

And Spidey famously defeated the ENTIRE X-Men in Secret Wars.

What storyline had him defeating Masterson Thor. Damn impressive he beaten the entire X-Men in the secret wars!.

Did Spider-Man in the comics defeat characters as fast as The Flash?.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
Funny how that web ball just knocked him out. that comic looks like it came from the 60's/70's era.

It was published in 1982, and written by Mark Gruenwald, the author of his solo series.

Has Spider-Man ever beaten members of the X-Men, Fantastic Four or other members of the Avengers.

He's had the upper hand against Reed on the two or three occasions that they've fought, and two or three wins over the Human Torch, mostly using environmental factors. You could say he beat the Thing in their first fight, since he managed to trap him in a cocoon of electrified webbing (Ben only got free when Sue unplugged the webbing from the mains). Whilst possessed by the mutant, Karma, Spidey also slapped Sue unconscious once, although Sue explicitly held back against him, since he'd recently saved Franklin's life.

plus what version of Thor did he defeat and what story was that from?.

I wouldn't say he's ever really beaten Thor. He blitzed Masterson Thor till he was down on one knee, but Eric took the wind out of his sails with a lightning burst. This happened in THOR #448. The real Thor was briefly KOed or stunned while attacking Spider-Man along with several other heroes during Infinity Crusade, but it appeared that he was brought down by friendly fire rather than by Spider-Man himself, and he wasn't down for long. Kang's Spider-Man robot (which was designed to be a duplicate of Spider-Man in terms of it's powers) managed to beat Thor in the '60s by separating him from Mjolnir and spamming him with webbing till he reverted to Donald Blake.

Damn impressive he beaten the entire X-Men in the secret wars!.

He didn't truly beat them, he just made them look bad by running rings around them then escaping.

Did Spider-Man in the comics defeat characters as fast as The Flash?

No. He's beaten Quicksilver and Speed Demon, but not easily. Flash should wreck him on paper, although Barry and/or Wally have lost to Batman and Deathstroke, so...
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 12:00:22 PM
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He's beaten Quicksilver and Speed Demon, but not easily.

How did Spider-Man fair against these speedsters in the comics?, What did he do to defeat them.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
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He's beaten Quicksilver and Speed Demon, but not easily.

How did Spider-Man fair against these speedsters in the comics?, What did he do to defeat them.

Clotheslines worked pretty well against both, although Spidey took some lumps first.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-71?id=4041#20

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-280?id=4515#12


Didn't fully address your question as to whether Spidey has beaten members of the X-Men or the Avengers. He famously has a win or two over Wolverine, although Logan didn't use his claws in one of those, and it was Superior Spider-Man. He has a couple of wins over classic Iceman, and one over classic Quicksilver. He beat Iron Man in the digital comic your scan came from. He slapped an inexperienced Monica Rambeau unconscious during her debut appearance. He pinned classic Power Man with webbing, and came out looking better during a fight with '90s Cage. He defeated the Beast and Domino during separate fights in the second Contest of Champions.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 12:33:57 PM
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Clotheslines worked pretty well against both, although Spidey took some lumps first.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-71?id=4041#20

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-280?id=4515#12


Didn't fully address your question as to whether Spidey has beaten members of the X-Men or the Avengers. He famously has a win or two over Wolverine, although Logan didn't use his claws in one of those, and it was Superior Spider-Man. He has a couple of wins over classic Iceman, and one over classic Quicksilver. He beat Iron Man in the digital comic your scan came from. He slapped an inexperienced Monica Rambeau unconscious during her debut appearance. He pinned classic Power Man with webbing, and came out looking better during a fight with '90s Cage. He defeated the Beast and Domino during separate fights in the second Contest of Champions.

So it was the very classic Quicksilver and Speed Demon that were beaten by Spider-Man, any modern comic rematches against the speedsters?. As for the X-Men and Avengers , according to what you mentioned he defeated each of them in separate battles. I've forgot to mention if Spider-Man fought Silver Surfer.

Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 02:11:29 PM
So it was the very classic Quicksilver and Speed Demon that were beaten by Spider-Man, any modern comic rematches against the speedsters?.

Quicksilver tackled him through a wall in a Marvel Knights issues a while before Civil War, but Spidey didn't fight back on that occasion, so the fight in the '60s is the only real fight they've had.

Spidey has had several fights with Speed Demon over the years, usually getting the better of him in the end. Most recent fight I saw was when Superior Spidey took on the Sinister Syndicate (including Speed Demon) and won, although he made use of tech and prep, like coating the ground with a substance designed to make it frictionless before the fight.

As for the X-Men and Avengers , according to what you mentioned he defeated each of them in separate battles.

He's defeated individual members of those teams, but never the whole teams at once. He has held his own against multiple X-related teams though, and Superior Spidey briefly held his own against an Avengers line-up including Cap, Thor and Wolverine, until he was distracted by Peter Parker's consciousness talking in his head, at which point he was quickly put down.

I've forgot to mention if Spider-Man fought Silver Surfer.

He has, although he's never really beaten him, and has lost to him. The closest Spidey came to a win over the Surfer was flooring a Carnage symbiote-possessed Surfer with a barrage of blows, although the Surfer wasn't KOed.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
Were there times Spider-Man was so mad he just punched out Speed-Demon quickly in rematches no matter how fast he was, like from 90's/2000's comics.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Sick Nick on May 15, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
The Thor he beat was Masterson Thor.

And Spidey famously defeated the ENTIRE X-Men in Secret Wars.

Saying he defeated them is a stretch. He achieved his objective, which was to escape, although they said he handled them like amateurs.

Likewise he didn’t actually beat Masterson but had him on the ropes until Eric summoned lightning.

He’s also flattened She-Hulk with a punch and went to a standstill with Wonder Man. Think he’s done OK against Namor too.

Beat Juggernaut with outside help

Defeated Sandman several times, who might be the most powerful guy in his rogues gallery
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 15, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
Were there times Spider-Man was so mad he just punched out Speed-Demon quickly in rematches no matter how fast he was, like from 90's/2000's comics.

No. The issue I posted was the cleanest physical win Spidey has over Speed Demon. The last fight Speed Demon had with with regular Spidey that I recall was when the Avengers fought the Thunderbolts (at which point Speed Demon was supposed to be faster than before), and it was quite even before Radioactive Man interrupted by draining the radiation from Spider-Man's blood, weakening him.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 15, 2018, 06:14:28 PM
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Saying he defeated them is a stretch. He achieved his objective, which was to escape, although they said he handled them like amateurs.

Likewise he didn’t actually beat Masterson but had him on the ropes until Eric summoned lightning.

He’s also flattened She-Hulk with a punch and went to a standstill with Wonder Man. Think he’s done OK against Namor too.

Beat Juggernaut with outside help

Defeated Sandman several times, who might be the most powerful guy in his rogues gallery


So Spider-Man was able to solo She-Hulk, even a standstill against Wonderman!. Juggernaut lives up to being the unstoppable.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Sick Nick on May 16, 2018, 02:58:22 AM
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Saying he defeated them is a stretch. He achieved his objective, which was to escape, although they said he handled them like amateurs.

Likewise he didn’t actually beat Masterson but had him on the ropes until Eric summoned lightning.

He’s also flattened She-Hulk with a punch and went to a standstill with Wonder Man. Think he’s done OK against Namor too.

Beat Juggernaut with outside help

Defeated Sandman several times, who might be the most powerful guy in his rogues gallery


So Spider-Man was able to solo She-Hulk, even a standstill against Wonderman!. Juggernaut lives up to being the unstoppable.

He didn’t beat Shulkie but one of his punches knocked her flying
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 16, 2018, 12:20:49 PM
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He didn’t beat Shulkie but one of his punches knocked her flying

Ok it was just a punch that sent her flying.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: Hulk Victorious on May 16, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
The topic tile should be who has Spidey defeated
He has two shotted Crimson Dynamo in a team up annual with Hulk IIRC
Superior apparently beat Dr Strange
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: ultrabender on May 16, 2018, 06:14:27 PM
The topic tile should be who has Spidey defeated
He has two shotted Crimson Dynamo in a team up annual with Hulk IIRC
Superior apparently beat Dr Strange

When Spider-Man beat Dr.Strange, was he holding back his magic so he would not use it at full power on Spider-Man?.
Title: Re: Strongest characters Spider-Man can defeat
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on May 16, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
If he's referring to the instance I think he is, there's no way to tell whether Strange was holding back or not, or whether SpOck won or not, since all we saw was one panel of SpOck punching Strange in the mouth. It was part of a montage of SpOck fending off attacks from various heroes in separate fights. He apparently wasn't defeated by Strange, but he may have just escaped rather than actually beating him.

There was an earlier instance in the '70s where a sort of mind-controlled Spidey KOed a Strange who did hold back against him though. And there was a third instance a few years later, where Strange had Spidey on the ropes, but was distracted by Clea, giving Spidey the opportunity to knock him out again. So Spidey does have two KO wins against Strange with caveats. And that's not counting the time he knocked Strange out after Strange had been turned into a werewolf.

Regarding the Crimson Dynamo win, Crimson Dynamo had tangled with the Hulk earlier in the issue, and it was implied that some of his weapons systems may have been disabled in that exchange, since he only fought Spidey HtH.