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Title: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: ultrabender on January 12, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
The classic movie trilogy X-Men are trying to protect the X-Mansion from Man of Steel version of Zods wrath. who wins!.

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Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: HalloweenJack on January 12, 2018, 11:49:00 AM
as always, it comes down to telepathy
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 12, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Mags & Charles got this!
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Riv1 on January 12, 2018, 04:49:48 PM
as always, it comes down to telepathy
Comics wise, thst would be very helpful.
I cant see it being an auto win cinematic version-wise.
Zod likey wins this, killing most of them.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Almighty Tallest on January 12, 2018, 05:05:06 PM
as always, it comes down to telepathy
Comics wise, thst would be very helpful.
I cant see it being an auto win cinematic version-wise.
Zod likey wins this, killing most of them.
Until Kryptonians show some sort of telepathy resistance, Zod is as vulnerable as everyone else is to Xavier's telepathy.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 05:38:30 PM
as always, it comes down to telepathy
Comics wise, thst would be very helpful.
I cant see it being an auto win cinematic version-wise.
Zod likey wins this, killing most of them.

Yeah, there were several instances in which the X-Men's telepathy did them no good.  In the first movie, Jean couldn't take down Toad, for instance.  In the newer movies, Stryker's equipment mucked around with Jean's telepathy, which made her nearly useless.  She doesn't do much when she isn't in Phoenix mode.  As for Charles, it's the same thing.  He can freeze people, but if his concentration is broken, it's anyone's game.  Considering Zod's speed, he could very well kill Xavier and/or Jean before they know what to do.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Riv1 on January 12, 2018, 05:40:50 PM
Until Kryptonians show some sort of telepathy resistance, Zod is as vulnerable as everyone else is to Xavier's telepathy.
See APs post above.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: HalloweenJack on January 12, 2018, 05:58:48 PM
as always, it comes down to telepathy
Comics wise, thst would be very helpful.
I cant see it being an auto win cinematic version-wise.
Zod likey wins this, killing most of them.

Yeah, there were several instances in which the X-Men's telepathy did them no good.  In the first movie, Jean couldn't take down Toad, for instance.  In the newer movies, Stryker's equipment mucked around with Jean's telepathy, which made her nearly useless.  She doesn't do much when she isn't in Phoenix mode.  As for Charles, it's the same thing.  He can freeze people, but if his concentration is broken, it's anyone's game.  Considering Zod's speed, he could very well kill Xavier and/or Jean before they know what to do.

I didn't think Jean TP on Toad, just TK. there was a whole thing on her TP not being as powerful as Xavier's.


and while we're criticizing X-Men telepathy I'd like to throw out my personal favorite instant where Xavier doesn't know Magneto's plans in the first movie because he can't read his mind due to the helmet.....but he's also in Toad and Sabretooth's minds who totally know Magneto's plan.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 06:06:59 PM
I didn't think Jean TP on Toad, just TK. there was a whole thing on her TP not being as powerful as Xavier's.

That's my point.  Jean wasn't just going around TPing people.


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and while we're criticizing X-Men telepathy I'd like to throw out my personal favorite instant where Xavier doesn't know Magneto's plans in the first movie because he can't read his mind due to the helmet.....but he's also in Toad and Sabretooth's minds who totally know Magneto's plan.

True.  He also had Sabertooth holding Magneto by the throat.  What's to stop him from raising his hand and slapping the helmet off his head?
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Master on January 12, 2018, 06:59:13 PM
If telepathy affects Zod, the fight is over instantly. He freezes Zod. Done.

Considering Xavier is in a wheel chair, he’d be the last person Zod would target for attack.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
If telepathy affects Zod, the fight is over instantly. He freezes Zod. Done.

Considering Xavier is in a wheel chair, he’d be the last person Zod would target for attack.

I kinda picture Zod just plowing into the lot of them at subsonic speed, so the order in which they die wouldn't make a difference.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Commander on January 12, 2018, 07:17:02 PM
Lol. I agree. Zod just like in the comic will just dive bomb their asses. Then proceeds to burn anyone still alive.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
If telepathy affects Zod, the fight is over instantly. He freezes Zod. Done.

Considering Xavier is in a wheel chair, he’d be the last person Zod would target for attack.

I kinda picture Zod just plowing into the lot of them at subsonic speed, so the order in which they die wouldn't make a difference.

Zod will make a speech about it because he thinks all humans are beneath him. Xavier will have more than enough time to fry his brain.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 08:40:46 PM
Lots of x-villains make speeches and Charles never stopped them.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:50:11 PM
Well maybe he'll stop this one.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
Well maybe he'll stop this one.

Why?

If the characters are all acting in-character, Zod will say something about humans and then plow the field.  The X-Men will listen, get ready to attack, likely by letting Wolverine go out first, and then get stomped.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 09:02:02 PM
Well maybe he'll stop this one.

Why?


I don't know, I just have a feeling.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Commander on January 12, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Of the X-Men getting mutilated?
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Seriously, people forget how much Wolverine carried the team and how little of a part Xavier played in the original trilogy.

X1: Wolverine is the one who beats Mystique, fights Sabertooth solo while the team is captured, then sets Cyke and Jean up for the kill shot against Sabertooth and frees the entire team.  Then comes the climax which revolves around the team working together to get Logan up to the top of the Statue of Liberty to bust Magneto's machine, then he finishes it all off by saving Rogue.  Toad is the only bad guy that Wolverine doesn't confront.  Also, Xavier spent most of the time in a coma.

X2: Wolverine leads the escape from the mansion, kills Deathstrike, then captures Stryker.  Jean does have the big save at the end and there's some stuff with Storm, but Wolverine is still the MPV.  Oh, and Cyclops and Xavier spend the entire movie captured.

X3: Cyclops and Xavier die at the beginning, Rogue leaves the story to get rid of her powers, and Jean turns evil.  Wolverine becomes the de-facto leader, confronts Magneto in the woods, formulates the strategy for the final battle, distracts Magneto long enough for Beast to hit him with the mutant cure, then kills Jean.  Colossus exists only to throw Wolverine when he needs it.  To be fair, Kitty, Storm, and Iceman all took out a major enemy each, so there's that.
Title: Re: X-Men vs General Zod
Post by: Riv1 on January 13, 2018, 01:44:22 AM
^^^you've nailed this.
There's really no reason to go against Zod here.