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Title: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 22, 2017, 01:19:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks)

Is it time to declare this a witch hunt yet?
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 22, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
This has always been a BS witchhunt by the neoliberal elites as revenge for their agent  Clinton being defeated by the rabble.

Now true honest progressives--who have always been their enemy-- are on the chopping block.

Only willful fools buy this nonsense.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 22, 2017, 03:37:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks)

Is it time to declare this a witch hunt yet?


naa compared to other investigations they been discovering stuff pretty faster. There just investigating every lead.

So far the things they got
Got Session on Perjury if they wanted to press it
Probally got trump son on collusion
Got Trump on obstruction if they want to press. Since you know he keeps admiting to it

Got two indictment
And got two guilty pleads


Not to mention all the various lies, and shady dealings

He seem to have launderd money in the passed. And I am not even kind small crimes that was broken like the logan act. I am giving him the he didnt know that was a thing excuse.


To me it simple. Trump did Deals with the Russian in the passed. Owed them money..so Russia figure they have someone in office who owe them favor. No nothing big like take like turn us all into communist.  But maybe lift sanctions  that cost them big.  This shown to him trying his dammnest to stop said sanction. But they gave hima veto proof vote. So he sign...but still havent implemented it for some odd reasons..months later. Yes it may not be a spy movie. But that because most epsionage of spycraft is boring ass shit like this. it not some femme fatlae who poison they drink. It more like

"Oh you own a car dealship. Well I like to talk about you about lifting flight restriction and maybe not talk about my humans right violation.  Oh wait is tha a Chevy in your car dealership parking lot. Yes I like to pat 60 million dollar for that car while we talk"


Again if people think this bias. Put any other president in this..be it dem (Which would result in the republicans burning down the white house) or republican or indepents..and have them do the exact same shit. It would STILL be a news story. And it would STILL be an investigation
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 22, 2017, 03:41:31 AM
Also this the senate probe
Not the mueler (who lets not forget a republicans) investgation

Not saying you said they were the same
But they are seperate
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 22, 2017, 04:04:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks)

Is it time to declare this a witch hunt yet?

Um, didn't the crazy eyed lady have Jullian Assange as a guest speaker at her convention? I'm surprised she hasn't been investigated before now.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 22, 2017, 04:15:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks)

Is it time to declare this a witch hunt yet?

Um, didn't the crazy eyed lady have Jullian Assange as a guest speaker at her convention? I'm surprised she hasn't been investigated before now.

Yeah, people who are anti-establishment and like to expose corruption need to be thrown in prison.  Great idea!
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 22, 2017, 09:56:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxKCaVpI6bk&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks)

Is it time to declare this a witch hunt yet?

Um, didn't the crazy eyed lady have Jullian Assange as a guest speaker at her convention? I'm surprised she hasn't been investigated before now.
..looks like the globalist fake progressive neoliberal statists have spoken, then.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 22, 2017, 08:32:49 PM
As I've said before, Trump is a shady asshole, but the Dems are distracting people and turning it into a witch hunt.  I've already seen "theories" that Bernie Sanders was a Russian plant and now Jill Stein is apparently colluding with Russia because she was in the same room as Putin once.  They are going after their opponents.  Tulsi Gabbard is next, I bet.  Shit, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see them going after Gary Johnson.  That's how desperate they are.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 22, 2017, 11:00:13 PM
As I've said before, Trump is a shady asshole, but the Dems are distracting people and turning it into a witch hunt.  I've already seen "theories" that Bernie Sanders was a Russian plant and now Jill Stein is apparently colluding with Russia because she was in the same room as Putin once.  They are going after their opponents.  Tulsi Gabbard is next, I bet.  Shit, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see them going after Gary Johnson.  That's how desperate they are.


It's especially hilarious considering how liberals were the original targets of the McCarthy witchhunt. Now they are the new statist globalist elitist lapdogs to protect their idol Wall st/police state/warmonger whore Killary Clinton.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 22, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
..These retards are also giving Trump all the ammo he needs to utterly invalidate their coordinated CIA Deep State propaganda campaign.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 23, 2017, 01:06:53 AM
As I've said before, Trump is a shady asshole, but the Dems are distracting people and turning it into a witch hunt.  I've already seen "theories" that Bernie Sanders was a Russian plant and now Jill Stein is apparently colluding with Russia because she was in the same room as Putin once.  They are going after their opponents.  Tulsi Gabbard is next, I bet.  Shit, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see them going after Gary Johnson.  That's how desperate they are.

Whitewater was bullshit, but they got Ken Starr to investigate it.  He didn't find anything aside from the Monica Lewinski angle, which they used to impeach Clinton.


Trump clearly has shit to hide, so who cares if the Russia angle is bullshit when its digging up dirt, especially considering four people on his team have been charged with crimes already.  With more to come.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 23, 2017, 03:22:17 AM
As I've said before, Trump is a shady asshole, but the Dems are distracting people and turning it into a witch hunt.  I've already seen "theories" that Bernie Sanders was a Russian plant and now Jill Stein is apparently colluding with Russia because she was in the same room as Putin once.  They are going after their opponents.  Tulsi Gabbard is next, I bet.  Shit, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see them going after Gary Johnson.  That's how desperate they are.

Whitewater was bullshit, but they got Ken Starr to investigate it.  He didn't find anything aside from the Monica Lewinski angle, which they used to impeach Clinton.


Trump clearly has shit to hide, so who cares if the Russia angle is bullshit when its digging up dirt, especially considering four people on his team have been charged with crimes already.  With more to come.

If they start randomly going after anyone who happened to be in the same room as Putin at some point, the whole thing will just end up looking like a wild goose chase and whatever dirt they finally dig up on Trump's team will probably be buried under heaps of bullshit.  This is looking exactly like McCarthyism.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2017, 03:35:24 AM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

And the only plant I'd associate Gary Johnson with is weed. :)
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 23, 2017, 03:39:15 AM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 23, 2017, 12:43:31 PM
As I've said before, Trump is a shady asshole, but the Dems are distracting people and turning it into a witch hunt.  I've already seen "theories" that Bernie Sanders was a Russian plant and now Jill Stein is apparently colluding with Russia because she was in the same room as Putin once.  They are going after their opponents.  Tulsi Gabbard is next, I bet.  Shit, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see them going after Gary Johnson.  That's how desperate they are.

unless those theories are from people in charge of the investigation and not some random dudes on the internet dont think it matters

So far mueler been getting a lot of evidence on the Russian investiation.  They deffintly got trump on obstruction it seems unless where all going to decide obstruction not a crime. Since I dont see how what he did not onstruction of justice. And you only commit these acts of obstruction or Perjury if you got something hide. Every thing Trump and his people done scream suspicious. And it would be weird if they DIDNT investigate

It seem to be enough evidence to show Russia did they hack to warrant an investigation. Not only that they tried to hack our registration database which actully an issue if they succeed next time. People forget how slow watergate took. And the publicly wasnt really into it. With the Russian thing the excuse to ignore it

1) Well we do bad shit to. Yea we  drone people, torture people. But if our city got Drone still like to know who did it, and if it was an inside Job.  And like to avoid it in the future

2) Trump would of won anyway. Yea nixon might of won anyway.  Chris Christy was going to win anyway without bridgegate. Still and investigate

3) Hillary a cunt. Ok....thank goodness she not president.  Still need an investigate

4) Dems just wants excuses. Sure...but Muelr not a Dem. Either he finds something or he doesnt

5) Media have to much focuse on this. Sure..ummm doesn't mean the investigation wrong

6) Your trying to start world war 3.  Got agree to disagree if this will lead to nukler armagadon. But if someone think that guess that one of the legitamte reason to drop it...even if he did it. But seem what kind of an overly fearfull response.

7) Impeach him if and you get pence. Only way he get impeach and removed...is because Trump actully did something. You have repubublicans controling all branches and dems being pussies. Only way Trump get kicked out if their HUGE amount of evidence.  So the question is do we ignore it if pence might become president. because that an unlimited amount of get out of Jail free cars for Trump if we take that stance. If their not a lot of evidence...then no pence
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 23, 2017, 12:57:11 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.


Well if they did give it to him. Shows he was full of shit with the denials

And saying it was all made up by the goverment agencies

Also make that Seth Rich theory he floated out more fuck up. Since he would of KNEW it was bullshit

Also this would mean if he got it from Russian, then yea Russian hack the dnc. Think the emails recently showed Assange not this unbias treat both sides equally no angenda having guy he claims to be
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 23, 2017, 01:15:12 PM
How is this the Dems when it's the Republican run Senate committee going after her?
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 23, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

And the only plant I'd associate Gary Johnson with is weed. :)

Prove any of those CIA deep state run propaganda claims.

But thanks for showing that the statist worshipping plebs still worship the corrupt Wall st owned plutocrats who pretend to be Progressive because all they care about is power, exclusively.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 23, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.


Well if they did give it to him. Shows he was full of shit with the denials

And saying it was all made up by the goverment agencies

Also make that Seth Rich theory he floated out more fuck up. Since he would of KNEW it was bullshit

Also this would mean if he got it from Russian, then yea Russian hack the dnc. Think the emails recently showed Assange not this unbias treat both sides equally no angenda having guy he claims to be

It doesnt matter if he's biased. It only matters if the emails are false.

Prove that they are false, in order to justify defending the warmongering whores you still claim unwavering allegiance to.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 23, 2017, 01:25:09 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

And the only plant I'd associate Gary Johnson with is weed. :)

Prove any of those CIA deep state run propaganda claims.

But thanks for showing that the statist worshipping plebs still worship the corrupt Wall st owned plutocrats who pretend to be Progressive because all they care about is power, exclusively.
Do you actually say these hilarious run-on sentences in real life?
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 23, 2017, 01:39:16 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.


Well if they did give it to him. Shows he was full of shit with the denials

And saying it was all made up by the goverment agencies

Also make that Seth Rich theory he floated out more fuck up. Since he would of KNEW it was bullshit

Also this would mean if he got it from Russian, then yea Russian hack the dnc. Think the emails recently showed Assange not this unbias treat both sides equally no angenda having guy he claims to be

It doesnt matter if he's biased. It only matters if the emails are false.

Prove that they are false, in order to justify defending the warmongering whores you still claim unwavering allegiance to.


Didnt say it was false. But prove it was Russian who hack the dnc

Prove he knew it was Russia who hack the DNC..and was lying. And floated out a murder story that he knew was false

Dont see what the other stuff you said, have to do with my point
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 23, 2017, 01:40:39 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

And the only plant I'd associate Gary Johnson with is weed. :)

Prove any of those CIA deep state run propaganda claims.

But thanks for showing that the statist worshipping plebs still worship the corrupt Wall st owned plutocrats who pretend to be Progressive because all they care about is power, exclusively.

Just because you think you name called indirectly doesn't mean you didn't violate the first rule.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 23, 2017, 01:49:42 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.


Well if they did give it to him. Shows he was full of shit with the denials

And saying it was all made up by the goverment agencies

Also make that Seth Rich theory he floated out more fuck up. Since he would of KNEW it was bullshit

Also this would mean if he got it from Russian, then yea Russian hack the dnc. Think the emails recently showed Assange not this unbias treat both sides equally no angenda having guy he claims to be

It doesnt matter if he's biased. It only matters if the emails are false.

Prove that they are false, in order to justify defending the warmongering whores you still claim unwavering allegiance to.


Didnt say it was false. But prove it was Russian who hack the dnc

Prove he knew it was Russia who hack the DNC..and was lying. And floated out a murder story that he knew was false

Dont see what the other stuff you said, have to do with my point

Aside from the fact that you have zero evidence for your Deep state CIA propaganda, prove how it's possible for a guy holed up in an Embassy in Europe to be able to conclusively know the Seth Rich claim was false.

.. and it has everything to do with your laughable stance. For you, partisan politics>>>verifiable truth about your party's proven corruption from their own words.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 23, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Yes, all those guilty people are being persecuted because they committed a crime!  It's shameful. :)

Look, it's bad enough you had Assange as a guest speaker. But when he's the one who Russia gave the e-mails to and your part of the 2016 campaign. Yeah, I think you warrant some looking into.

You say this like it's a bad thing.


Well if they did give it to him. Shows he was full of shit with the denials

And saying it was all made up by the goverment agencies

Also make that Seth Rich theory he floated out more fuck up. Since he would of KNEW it was bullshit

Also this would mean if he got it from Russian, then yea Russian hack the dnc. Think the emails recently showed Assange not this unbias treat both sides equally no angenda having guy he claims to be

It doesnt matter if he's biased. It only matters if the emails are false.

Prove that they are false, in order to justify defending the warmongering whores you still claim unwavering allegiance to.


Didnt say it was false. But prove it was Russian who hack the dnc

Prove he knew it was Russia who hack the DNC..and was lying. And floated out a murder story that he knew was false

Dont see what the other stuff you said, have to do with my point

Aside from the fact that you have zero evidence for your Deep state CIA propaganda, prove how it's possible for a guy holed up in an Embassy in Europe to be able to conclusively know the Seth Rich claim was false.

.. and it has everything to do with your laughable stance. For you, partisan politics>>>verifiable truth about your party's proven corruption from their own words.


Well either Seth Rich was his informant or not. And that he wasn't saying it..because he dont reveal his informanet...which applies he would know. If Seth rich was or not he would know. The whole idea is because he was an informent..hillary sent her pizzagate assassins to do. Plus he said he KNOWS it wasnt Russian.  So this would prove that bullshit if it was Russia. . And the question came from prop mentioning what if russia gave it to him..and then AP ask if it was bad thing


Dnc can be corrupt and the Russian story could not be bullshit. Dont know why people think it mutal excluse

people like to say it ZERO evidenc. But they confuse evidence with SMOKING GUN PROOF

Thier tons of evidence. The cyber trails, there the languge they used. The code they used that match with other Russia hacks, where the hack generated from. The multiple secret meetings. the fact people commited perjury over it, the timing of the leaks. The lies about said meetings. All stuff if you were investigating you would put in the evidence

Now could this be the CIA planting evidence. sure it could be. ANY evidence could be that...but it still fucking evidence till you know it planted.  You cant just ignore

But saying ZERO evidence has more impact then saying it no 100 percent proof.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 23, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
How is this the Dems when it's the Republican run Senate committee going after her?

I think it's more of an establishment thing.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 24, 2017, 11:26:30 PM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 25, 2017, 02:00:56 AM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.

True, I guess the GOP would be glad to shift the focus onto Stein or someone other than Trump and his team.  I am annoyed with Dems since they could stand their ground better and go after Trump himself but choose to waste time.  I think there's something petty here.  I highly doubt Stein has anything to do with anything.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 25, 2017, 02:26:06 AM
Well they seem to be MOSTLY going after Trump and his crew
Least the media is

If anything, they doing wrong is not focusing on other crimes while focused on Russia

Like he pretty much broke the ammendment clause the first month. Pretty blantantly

And the obstruction...yea that the important one. Because if he cant be charged for that...then he cant be charge for anything. Because if you can just fire the investigator...then your above  most laws. Guess their waiting , hoping he actully crazy enough to fire Mueler
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 25, 2017, 06:53:35 AM
Well they seem to be MOSTLY going after Trump and his crew
Least the media is

If anything, they doing wrong is not focusing on other crimes while focused on Russia

Like he pretty much broke the ammendment clause the first month. Pretty blantantly

And the obstruction...yea that the important one. Because if he cant be charged for that...then he cant be charge for anything. Because if you can just fire the investigator...then your above  most laws. Guess their waiting , hoping he actully crazy enough to fire Mueler

This too.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Not BAMF on December 27, 2017, 10:57:51 AM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.

True, I guess the GOP would be glad to shift the focus onto Stein or someone other than Trump and his team.  I am annoyed with Dems since they could stand their ground better and go after Trump himself but choose to waste time.  I think there's something petty here. I highly doubt Stein has anything to do with anything.

Well of course you do because you are a fan of hers. Lots of Trump supporters highly doubt Trump has anything to do with Russia, too. :)
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 27, 2017, 02:19:57 PM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.

True, I guess the GOP would be glad to shift the focus onto Stein or someone other than Trump and his team.  I am annoyed with Dems since they could stand their ground better and go after Trump himself but choose to waste time.  I think there's something petty here. I highly doubt Stein has anything to do with anything.

Well of course you do because you are a fan of hers. Lots of Trump supporters highly doubt Trump has anything to do with Russia, too. :)

The Dems are revealing themselves to be easily manipulated CIA/FBI worshipping warmongers thirsting for nuclear war. They are no different than the Neocon warmongers at this point. And it's quite pathetic.

Let's for arguments sake, say it WAS Russia who hacked the DNC.

...SO WHAT?

Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: MTL76 on December 27, 2017, 02:34:28 PM
Russia did not “hack the election.” They didn’t alter voting machines. They likely engaged in a campaign of political propaganda through social media and hacking into theDNC e-mails.

If so, the response should not be to declare war as some of my IRL friends are calling for. Get a grip. This is a wake-up call to tighten up our cybersecurity and come up with strategies to prevent this from happening again. Any retaliation should be measured and not driven by lunatic Clinton supporters crying for blood. It should NOT prevent us from cooperating with Russia when its in our best interest, such as defeating ISIS... which we’ve made great headway with. Realpolitik.

Not of this would constitute Trump colluding with Russia, btw, unless he paid them to do so. They pulled off a brilliant operation and we need to calmly learn from it.

Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Panthergod on December 27, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
I don't see the Killary worshipping Russia warmongers whining about US colllusion with terrorist states like Saudi Arabia..and Al Qaeda. Not to mention installing Neo Nazi regimes on Russia's doorstep.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 27, 2017, 03:32:42 PM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.

True, I guess the GOP would be glad to shift the focus onto Stein or someone other than Trump and his team.  I am annoyed with Dems since they could stand their ground better and go after Trump himself but choose to waste time.  I think there's something petty here. I highly doubt Stein has anything to do with anything.

Well of course you do because you are a fan of hers. Lots of Trump supporters highly doubt Trump has anything to do with Russia, too. :)

The Dems are revealing themselves to be easily manipulated CIA/FBI worshipping warmongers thirsting for nuclear war. They are no different than the Neocon warmongers at this point. And it's quite pathetic.

Let's for arguments sake, say it WAS Russia who hacked the DNC.

...SO WHAT?

Well the so what...answer is various things

1) Did anyone in the admistration help. If so they are open to black mail. And it basicly watergate. That like say..so so what if Nixon did have people break in...SO WHAT. This is just a cyber break in.  Just like hacking into someone bank account, and sneaking into a vault..is still stealing.  Yes the stuff was true. Just like any dirt Nixon would of dug up would be true

2) They going to do it again and it be nice to avoid it. And if the president going to pretend it didnt happen..then it much harder to find ways to avoid it and put things in place to do some

3) The president may of onstructed Justice to cover it up. Which an important crime. Because if you can do that and get away with it then it way easier to get away with other crimes because you just fire people against you


4)  It looks like they tried to hack the registration machines.  If we ignore this..NEXT time they may succeed. Wjich will be a huge deal. because then thats it. They decided the election for the forseeable future


5) And if there no differnce between the Dems and the neo warmongers...shouldnt you be raging agianst both equally. Since both in power. And if one obstructing justice then that should be conerning for you..  I mean fuck learn how to multi task. You can shit on Shillary Clinton, the dems..or obama and their genocidal, neo nazi, white supremancy, pedofile, neoliberal...or what ever the fuck agenda your talking about and still not ignore the bad shit this adminstration in doing. You know the one who president.

Dems...being peices of shit...does not make Trump stuff and the Russian thing ok



Russia did not “hack the election.” They didn’t alter voting machines. They likely engaged in a campaign of political propaganda through social media and hacking into theDNC e-mails.

If so, the response should not be to declare war as some of my IRL friends are calling for. Get a grip. This is a wake-up call to tighten up our cybersecurity and come up with strategies to prevent this from happening again. Any retaliation should be measured and not driven by lunatic Clinton supporters crying for blood. It should NOT prevent us from cooperating with Russia when its in our best interest, such as defeating ISIS... which we’ve made great headway with. Realpolitik.

Not of this would constitute Trump colluding with Russia, btw, unless he paid them to do so. They pulled off a brilliant operation and we need to calmly learn from it.




here the thing.  Even if your IRL friend saying that...does not negate the actuly investigation

My issue with the other side is they made

"Hey we should investigate this"

To

"I WANT WAR WITH RUSSIA..I WANT TO BATHE IN RUSSIAN BLOOD"


which I humbly feel that not the case

They make the fact

"Hey there no smoking gun let"

and inflate that

"The ZERO evidence or smoke..any suggestion that they even a small smoke to this fire or anything supscious at all mean you swallowing the consiprcy let"


Which to me is not the case. All ready 2 convction, and 2 charge so far. Perjury charge whenever they want it, and Obstruction charge whenever they want


Or they ta

This shouldnt be a partisan thing. Put in othe president in this posistion..the same shit would be happening. If not worst. It would be a huge news story either way. Do they talk about it to much. Yea.  But sometime people feel it shouldnt be brought up at all. And doing so would lead us to RED DAWN scenario. Listen if it new info..then people got to talk about it

Putin is not voldermort. Brining his name up will not lead to an army of dementors killing us all.   And to get smart on securtiy...we got to admit..the security breach happen..and who it was done by. So far the people in charge pretending it didnt happen. So how the heck will we put up our security

To me the story is probally simple.  The Sanction costing Russians money. And they want an oil deal and dont like nato. They have a guy who may owe them a shit ton of money. Him becoming president fascilate that. Doesnt mean they want the us to become the UNITED states of Russia. But it does show they think they can steer a policy or two

He tried to lift said sanction. The house and senate stop them but he still have to impliment them. Also anti nato, also tried to do a back channel,  also put tilison on board. It not James bond..because most espinoage is boring shit like this. But it still espionage.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 27, 2017, 06:48:03 PM
OK. I just had to check since Jelly is tossing around "neoliberal" and you specifically said "dems". Personally, I think its the reps trying to muddy up the Mueller investigation in the eyes of the people but we all got our conspiracy ideas.

True, I guess the GOP would be glad to shift the focus onto Stein or someone other than Trump and his team.  I am annoyed with Dems since they could stand their ground better and go after Trump himself but choose to waste time.  I think there's something petty here. I highly doubt Stein has anything to do with anything.

Well of course you do because you are a fan of hers. Lots of Trump supporters highly doubt Trump has anything to do with Russia, too. :)

Except Jill Stein is a good person who hasn't really had a history of corruption.  She also has little to no connection to US leaders, let alone foreign leaders.  The only thing they have to go off of is that she was once in the same room as Putin.  That.  Is.  It.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 28, 2017, 03:28:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGyWnGYhCs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGyWnGYhCs)

Stein gave an interview about the investigations.  She's pretty chill about it and they haven't really even called her in front of the Senate yet and they might not even do it.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 28, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
So basically it's probably an overblown story?
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 28, 2017, 06:27:25 PM
So basically it's probably an overblown story?

Yup
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2017, 02:44:16 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 30, 2017, 03:09:20 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2017, 04:34:16 AM
Mostly her thinking Jullian Assange is a great human being and a champion of justice...which Neo says he isn't.

Also the WI-FI....And the crazy eyes. I'm not kidding. My aunt had the same look in her eyes Stein always has before her nervous breakdown. That was a very sad Thanksgiving/birthday. :(
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 30, 2017, 07:50:08 AM
Reporters leak the truth, its what their job is.  We appreciate them for it.  Hating Assange for doing the exact same thing is retarded.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 30, 2017, 08:30:00 AM
Mostly her thinking Jullian Assange is a great human being and a champion of justice

I agree with that.  Were you okay when Assange was exposing the Bush administration by any chance?

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Also the WI-FI....

Wi-fi?

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And the crazy eyes. I'm not kidding. My aunt had the same look in her eyes Stein always has before her nervous breakdown. That was a very sad Thanksgiving/birthday. :(

I didn't notice any crazy eyes but I'm sure she's not as crazy as your aunt.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 30, 2017, 09:52:01 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

Mostly her thinking Jullian Assange is a great human being and a champion of justice...which Neo says he isn't.

Also the WI-FI....And the crazy eyes. I'm not kidding. My aunt had the same look in her eyes Stein always has before her nervous breakdown. That was a very sad Thanksgiving/birthday. :(


Hold up now. I don't think I've really stated my opinion on him. Wikileaks for the most part seems to be a legit leak source even if Assange seemed to have decided to ally himself with people he also should be targeting. He's the Steve Jobs of hacktivist when people like Snowden and Manning should be the ones that get held up as heroes.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 30, 2017, 10:04:07 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

She said she isn't anti-vac.  She just wants more transparency with the FDA.  People like John Oliver spun it into something else.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 30, 2017, 10:12:45 AM
Neo wants our children to be autistic.  Confirmed.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 30, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

She said she isn't anti-vac.  She just wants more transparency with the FDA.  People like John Oliver spun it into something else.
She said she doesn't have an "official stance" on the subject just a personal one. She also said it was unheard of for a country to not have medical exemptions for vaccines implying that the US doesn't when we really do. She also talked about dropping vaccination rates to get at the issue of mistrust of the medical industry which is like saying we should make seat belts optional so people can trust the car industry.

Like I said she wants to have it both ways without taking a stance.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 30, 2017, 10:46:47 AM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

She said she isn't anti-vac.  She just wants more transparency with the FDA.  People like John Oliver spun it into something else.
That's literally wanting it both ways.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: therock on December 30, 2017, 01:30:07 PM
Jill lost a lot of people with her VP pick. And lost any chance she got. You dont win Bernie voters over by comparing them to white superemist. You dont win a lot of obama voters over by calling him an uncle tom

And for all the complains about close primaries..she was against open ones.  Thrid party primaries pretty damm close. Voters have even less say on who they pick


Assange lost some credibility with the kutsner emails.  He basicly said if trump lose he should fight the result. Note he didnt say fight it..if it appears to be some crookedness going on.  Of if it appears to be cheating. Nope it seem to be fight it just to cause chaos.  And if you get the emails from Russia and want to leak it. Find. But dont make up some murder conspircy on how you leak it. Or lie about you saying you KNOW it wasnt from Russia...and claim the groups that say it is part of the conspircy.  Now if turns on by some shock it wasnt Russia, find he owed an applogie.  But if it is..then he was full of shit

I myself have no issue with snowden. Guy may of did what had to be done. Manning a little iffy on given he wasnt as carefull as Snowden with how he leaked it. But think his charge was to much,
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: AP on December 30, 2017, 06:16:51 PM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

She said she isn't anti-vac.  She just wants more transparency with the FDA.  People like John Oliver spun it into something else.
That's literally wanting it both ways.

It isn’t.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on December 30, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
Saying you have a personal stance but not an official one is trying to have it both ways.
Title: Re: Russian investigators are going after Jill Stein
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 30, 2017, 08:23:58 PM
Yay. The crazy lady can run again. I'd hate for someone else to get a chance for the Green Party. :(

What exactly is crazy about her?  You don't believe the lie that she's anti-vac do you because she's not.

I don't think she is anti-vac but she wants to have it both ways on the subject and won't really take a stance.

She said she isn't anti-vac.  She just wants more transparency with the FDA.  People like John Oliver spun it into something else.
That's literally wanting it both ways.

It isn’t.
It most definitely is. Her specific stance was that vaccines are good but then she started down the antivax talking points.
https://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/

The falsehood is that she is completely anti-vaccination. The fact is she supports vaccinations and for some unknown reason decided to pretend the US hasn't been allowing for exemptions for decades.

You can't tout your 17 years of experience and then suddenly forget easily citable facts on a high profile topic. Well... You shouldn't be able to. Trump conclusively proved you can be ignorant wealthy white trash and still get elected.