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Title: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 18, 2017, 10:21:07 PM
Episode 10 might be my favorite.  I liked the Rashomon style narrative of the story.  The resolution to PTSD guy’s villain turn had a satisfying conclusion and it was good to see Karen in action.  I also like how Madani started suspecting Russo the moment she saw the former Anvil guys were involved in the shootout.  She wasn’t stupid about it.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 03:58:52 AM
Episode 11 has the massive shootout with Punisher killing the shit out of everybody.  If Liquid sees this sequence and still hates Berenthal, then he's just a Gaara-level hater.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 06:38:41 AM
I finished the first season.  Damn fine show.  I'll wait for the rest of you guys to catch up.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on November 19, 2017, 01:19:55 PM
Just finished 11. That was awesome. It’s a slow burn show but I like it. The secondary actors are good too. Like compare the characters to iron fist? This is like a breath of fresh air
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on November 19, 2017, 02:06:52 PM
Damn show is ending super strong. Just finished 12

Seeing his wife in the blood was tragic visual
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on November 19, 2017, 02:33:28 PM
Pretty much hated the ending but loved everything else.

The brutality in the last couple of episodes really escalated and it was glorious.


Cheers.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on November 19, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
All done. Ending was a little weak but overall really liked the season

But how the hell did she survive that bullet shot?
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 06:43:35 PM
All done. Ending was a little weak but overall really liked the season

But how the hell did she survive that bullet shot?

People have survived bullets to the head.  It didn't look like a direct shot anyway.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on November 19, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
All done. Ending was a little weak but overall really liked the season

But how the hell did she survive that bullet shot?

People have survived bullets to the head.  It didn't look like a direct shot anyway.

They have sure. It was a direct shot. Entry point was a few inches above her left eye which would have been the frontal lobe. Possible the skull stopped the bullet too. as now I recall I don’t think there was a wound on the back of her head??? just front part poured blood when Frank lifted the head

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.scienceabc.com/humans/gunshot-to-the-head-does-this-mean-instant-death.html%3fisamp=1 (https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.scienceabc.com/humans/gunshot-to-the-head-does-this-mean-instant-death.html%3fisamp=1)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bal-te.brain05oct05-story.html)
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 08:12:25 PM
Yeah, her wound looked like it went across the side of her head.  She probably would have died if she didn't get help right away, but it's not exactly out of the question.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 20, 2017, 12:39:52 AM
Episode 11 has the massive shootout with Punisher killing the shit out of everybody.  If Liquid sees this sequence and still hates Berenthal, then he's just a Gaara-level hater.

Yea him growling like a caveman/idiot is fantastic.  Pure Punisher.  Exactly how I picture the Punisher.


No, fag.  Both Stevenson and Jane do it better.  They literally do everything better than Bernthal.  But this isn't all on him.  This season is lackluster from what I'd expect.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 20, 2017, 01:10:17 AM
Episode 11 has the massive shootout with Punisher killing the shit out of everybody.  If Liquid sees this sequence and still hates Berenthal, then he's just a Gaara-level hater.

Yea him growling like a caveman/idiot is fantastic.  Pure Punisher.  Exactly how I picture the Punisher.


No, fag.  Both Stevenson and Jane do it better.  They literally do everything better than Bernthal.  But this isn't all on him.  This season is lackluster from what I'd expect.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I9MlJJxbWH8/UP7routh3sI/AAAAAAAAGp0/esEVB5E3EbM/s1600/mr-t-crying.gif)
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Prime on November 20, 2017, 02:31:19 AM
Just finished 11. That was awesome. It’s a slow burn show but I like it. The secondary actors are good too. Like compare the characters to iron fist? This is like a breath of fresh air
Episode 11 was nuts. When he went for dudes eyes in 12 I had to turn away. Brutal.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on November 20, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
So on reflection I've decided that it's a genuinely brilliant TV series, but not necessarily a brilliant Punisher TV series. It's a pretty radical re-imagining of the character as we know him in the comics. Which is absolutely fine and made for a really engaging 13 hours or so, but the people who didn't like the level of humanity and emotion that Castle was given in Daredevil are going to hate this series even more.

I do really, really hate how they set up his status quo at the end too. It does actually make perfect sense with his new origin (as I mentioned before, with the conspiracy angle it wouldn't make much sense to start a never-ending war on organised crime so this was the logical consequence of the origin change). But it means we'll have to waste time in the inevitable season 2 setting him up as the Punisher again rather than launching right in to the good stuff. Could really do without that TBH as they covered all that ground at the start of this series. It also sort of undermines the big climactic scene at the end of episode 12 - "I am home" - which is unfortunate as that's the best scene in the whole series I think.

One other thing I hated - the scenes with Karen. Just doesn't make sense that he'd have that level of attachment to her. Doesn't help that I don't like Netflix Karen much at all...


Cheers.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 20, 2017, 05:00:07 PM
So on reflection I've decided that it's a genuinely brilliant TV series, but not necessarily a brilliant Punisher TV series. It's a pretty radical re-imagining of the character as we know him in the comics. Which is absolutely fine and made for a really engaging 13 hours or so, but the people who didn't like the level of humanity and emotion that Castle was given in Daredevil are going to hate this series even more.

I do really, really hate how they set up his status quo at the end too. It does actually make perfect sense with his new origin (as I mentioned before, with the conspiracy angle it wouldn't make much sense to start a never-ending war on organised crime so this was the logical consequence of the origin change). But it means we'll have to waste time in the inevitable season 2 setting him up as the Punisher again rather than launching right in to the good stuff. Could really do without that TBH as they covered all that ground at the start of this series. It also sort of undermines the big climactic scene at the end of episode 12 - "I am home" - which is unfortunate as that's the best scene in the whole series I think.

Here's my take on the ending: remember in the first episode when he thought his war was over, but then he just sort of stopped living until the night he heard his co-workers discussing a crime?  Then he just went full Punisher mode on them AND members of the Gnucci family?  He could have called the cops or ignored the situation as there was no personal involvement.  Instead, he just went out and killed bad guys and it was obvious that it was a psychological drive and not just something he felt responsible for.  At the end of episode 13, he tells the support group that he doesn't know what he will do without a war and that he's scared.  I think it's a hint that he'll just start going out to find more criminals to kill.  They could have made that connection stronger, though.  I think it would have been more dramatic is he caught wind of some criminal activity and started to get a far away look in his eye.

I think the Punisher we get in this series is still early Frank Castle.  He hasn't fully given up his emotions yet, which I think is the right way to go.  As I said in another thread, we can't just start off with cold, emotionally dead Punisher from Garth Ennis.  We can start with the somewhat sympathetic, traumatized war vet we saw in his early Spider-Man and Daredevil appearances, work our way to a the driven man on a mission we saw from Chuck Dixon and other writers form the 80's and 90's, and then come to the Ennis' version who is almost a complete psychopath.  It's similar to people who complained about the violent and unstable Danny Rand in season one of Iron Fist, not remembering that he acted like that in his first few appearances.  Netflix likes their slow burns and so do I.

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One other thing I hated - the scenes with Karen. Just doesn't make sense that he'd have that level of attachment to her. Doesn't help that I don't like Netflix Karen much at all

Why wouldn't he feel an attachment?  Before he went full Punisher, she was the one who had sympathy for him and, in a way, helped him get revenge for his family.  I think for this version of Frank at least, that would mean a lot to him.  In Daredevil, he came off as just a psychopath but softened up once Karen looked into his path and started talking to him about his family.  I think he feels an emotional connection to her.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on November 21, 2017, 10:40:25 AM
I think the Punisher we get in this series is still early Frank Castle.  He hasn't fully given up his emotions yet, which I think is the right way to go.  As I said in another thread, we can't just start off with cold, emotionally dead Punisher from Garth Ennis.  We can start with the somewhat sympathetic, traumatized war vet we saw in his early Spider-Man and Daredevil appearances, work our way to a the driven man on a mission we saw from Chuck Dixon and other writers form the 80's and 90's, and then come to the Ennis' version who is almost a complete psychopath.  It's similar to people who complained about the violent and unstable Danny Rand in season one of Iron Fist, not remembering that he acted like that in his first few appearances.  Netflix likes their slow burns and so do I.

I agree, and I really, really liked it too for the most part. But people who weren't overly enamoured by the portrayal in Daredevil s2 are going to hate it because if anything he is even more human and emotional here than he was there.

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Why wouldn't he feel an attachment?  Before he went full Punisher, she was the one who had sympathy for him and, in a way, helped him get revenge for his family.  I think for this version of Frank at least, that would mean a lot to him.  In Daredevil, he came off as just a psychopath but softened up once Karen looked into his path and started talking to him about his family.  I think he feels an emotional connection to her.

I'm not saying he shouldn't feel an attachment to her at all. Obviously he would. But it was all a bit... much, wasn't it? The scene with Micro where he loses his shit and compares his relationship with Karen to how Micro feels about his wife and kids? Hmm. The "maybe if things were different..." head touching and moist eyes in the elevator... nah, not having it. He should consider her an ally and someone that he owes a debt too, absolutely. But basically calling her a member of his family and an implied love interest (despite him telling Micro that he has no interest in any other woman) just felt incredibly forced to me.


Cheers.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: scourge on November 21, 2017, 11:31:59 AM
Show was one of the better ones. Good job Marvel.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 21, 2017, 11:42:29 PM
I think the Punisher we get in this series is still early Frank Castle.  He hasn't fully given up his emotions yet, which I think is the right way to go.  As I said in another thread, we can't just start off with cold, emotionally dead Punisher from Garth Ennis.  We can start with the somewhat sympathetic, traumatized war vet we saw in his early Spider-Man and Daredevil appearances, work our way to a the driven man on a mission we saw from Chuck Dixon and other writers form the 80's and 90's, and then come to the Ennis' version who is almost a complete psychopath.  It's similar to people who complained about the violent and unstable Danny Rand in season one of Iron Fist, not remembering that he acted like that in his first few appearances.  Netflix likes their slow burns and so do I.

I agree, and I really, really liked it too for the most part. But people who weren't overly enamoured by the portrayal in Daredevil s2 are going to hate it because if anything he is even more human and emotional here than he was there.

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Why wouldn't he feel an attachment?  Before he went full Punisher, she was the one who had sympathy for him and, in a way, helped him get revenge for his family.  I think for this version of Frank at least, that would mean a lot to him.  In Daredevil, he came off as just a psychopath but softened up once Karen looked into his path and started talking to him about his family.  I think he feels an emotional connection to her.

I'm not saying he shouldn't feel an attachment to her at all. Obviously he would. But it was all a bit... much, wasn't it? The scene with Micro where he loses his shit and compares his relationship with Karen to how Micro feels about his wife and kids? Hmm. The "maybe if things were different..." head touching and moist eyes in the elevator... nah, not having it. He should consider her an ally and someone that he owes a debt too, absolutely. But basically calling her a member of his family and an implied love interest (despite him telling Micro that he has no interest in any other woman) just felt incredibly forced to me.


Cheers.

Yeah, essentially calling Karen family is a touch too far, granted.  They had a little bit of PDA going on, too.  By the trailers, I was afraid they were going to have Karen as a love interest, so I'm glad he didn't have one.  For the most part, I was okay with how they interracted.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: MTL76 on November 22, 2017, 07:26:15 AM
I'm really surprised this show is getting such high praise here, especially from people whose reviews I put a lot of stock in. I thought it was almost unwatchable. There weren't just cringe-worthy scenes, there were cringe-worthy plot lines. Frank acted like a Jersey Shore guido having a roid rage ("What's I tell you? what'd I fucking tell you?!?") instead of the Punisher. Frank spending so much time with Micro's wife. Frank and Micro arguing like an old married couple. Frank mooning over Karen. The ridiculous PTSD soldier storyline. The whole major plot line which was as uninteresting as possible. On a show like Agents of SHIELD it would have been two episodes tops.

I hated this show. Nobody had a drop of charisma. I think it was the scene where the PTSD soldier was watching the Foreman-Ali fight with his dad. The dad's dialogue was so bad, so cliched, it just broke me.

Even the choices of music were awful. Either boring or distracting. Watch The Young Pope or The Leftovers and you'll see how music is supposed to be used.

If this show wasn't a Punisher show, and the lead was just a random vigilante, but NOTHING else changed, I think it would get panned.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 08:15:47 AM
And that Pearl Jam country song!  Amirite?
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 22, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
I'm really surprised this show is getting such high praise here, especially from people whose reviews I put a lot of stock in. I thought it was almost unwatchable. There weren't just cringe-worthy scenes, there were cringe-worthy plot lines. Frank acted like a Jersey Shore guido having a roid rage ("What's I tell you? what'd I fucking tell you?!?") instead of the Punisher. Frank spending so much time with Micro's wife. Frank and Micro arguing like an old married couple. Frank mooning over Karen. The ridiculous PTSD soldier storyline. The whole major plot line which was as uninteresting as possible. On a show like Agents of SHIELD it would have been two episodes tops.

I hated this show. Nobody had a drop of charisma. I think it was the scene where the PTSD soldier was watching the Foreman-Ali fight with his dad. The dad's dialogue was so bad, so cliched, it just broke me.

Even the choices of music were awful. Either boring or distracting. Watch The Young Pope or The Leftovers and you'll see how music is supposed to be used.

If this show wasn't a Punisher show, and the lead was just a random vigilante, but NOTHING else changed, I think it would get panned.

Agreed.  Bernthal sucks and overall the show wasn't that great.  Microchip, Russo, and Punisher were all changed drastically from their comic counterparts.


And I remember all these faggots complaining about the 04 Punisher movie for far less. 
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on November 22, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
If this show wasn't a Punisher show, and the lead was just a random vigilante, but NOTHING else changed, I think it would get panned.

I think I'd have liked it even more if it was a new character actually. The only bits I didn't really enjoy were because I was predisposed to think that Castle would act in a certain way rather than the way Netflix Castle does.

For the record I thought the music was brilliant throughout the series.


Cheers.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
I'm really surprised this show is getting such high praise here, especially from people whose reviews I put a lot of stock in. I thought it was almost unwatchable. There weren't just cringe-worthy scenes, there were cringe-worthy plot lines. Frank acted like a Jersey Shore guido having a roid rage ("What's I tell you? what'd I fucking tell you?!?") instead of the Punisher. Frank spending so much time with Micro's wife. Frank and Micro arguing like an old married couple. Frank mooning over Karen. The ridiculous PTSD soldier storyline. The whole major plot line which was as uninteresting as possible. On a show like Agents of SHIELD it would have been two episodes tops.

I hated this show. Nobody had a drop of charisma. I think it was the scene where the PTSD soldier was watching the Foreman-Ali fight with his dad. The dad's dialogue was so bad, so cliched, it just broke me.

Even the choices of music were awful. Either boring or distracting. Watch The Young Pope or The Leftovers and you'll see how music is supposed to be used.

If this show wasn't a Punisher show, and the lead was just a random vigilante, but NOTHING else changed, I think it would get panned.

Agreed.  Bernthal sucks and overall the show wasn't that great.  Microchip, Russo, and Punisher were all changed drastically from their comic counterparts.


And I remember all these faggots complaining about the 04 Punisher movie for far less.

The Thomas Jane Punisher is well liked around here.  I loved it.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on November 24, 2017, 07:35:00 AM
So where exactly did Frank's wife & kids get killed in this series?

Frank has two dreams...one where a lone marine walks into his bedroom & shoots his wife in bed. Then there's the 2nd one where they're all at the dinner table & a group of marines surround them.

Then in the end, you have Russo wanting the final confrontation at the merry go-round for "old time's sake."
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on November 24, 2017, 08:27:20 AM
They still got killed at the merry-go-round. The other scenes were his mental state finding peace and then getting it torn away when he least expected it. They were just false memories made by his guilt and loss

“The ponies” is where his family died
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Uhtceare on November 24, 2017, 09:12:33 AM


The Thomas Jane Punisher is well liked around here.  I loved it.

Eh, scenes like Janisher rubbing ice-scream on a guys back and pretending it was a blowtorch made me roll my eyes and diminished the movie a lot for me.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 24, 2017, 09:18:43 AM
So where exactly did Frank's wife & kids get killed in this series?

Frank has two dreams...one where a lone marine walks into his bedroom & shoots his wife in bed. Then there's the 2nd one where they're all at the dinner table & a group of marines surround them.

Then in the end, you have Russo wanting the final confrontation at the merry go-round for "old time's sake."

Dude, how is it you didn’t tell those were dreams.  I mean... Frank is the “lone marine” who killed his own wife and that other dream involved Micro’s family.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on November 24, 2017, 08:18:48 PM
I watched some episodes distracted by a room full of people who weren't interested.
Thus I didn't catch on it was Micro's family in the dream.

Just don't know why they didn't show the actual killings in flashback.
Losing his family is pretty pivotal like Bruce always reliving his parents shot in the alley.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: AP on November 24, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
I watched some episodes distracted by a room full of people who weren't interested.
Thus I didn't catch on it was Micro's family in the dream.

Just don't know why they didn't show the actual killings in flashback.
Losing his family is pretty pivotal like Bruce always reliving his parents shot in the alley.

'm guessing for budget reasons.  They kinda do this with a lot of Netflix shows.  They have to say how and why Luke Cage went to prison, for instance, other than being framed.  Then there's Iron Fist where we only get glimpses of K'un L'un and no dragon.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Panthergod on November 25, 2017, 01:48:01 PM
Louis was a Taxi Driver thematic allusion dealing with the current military ptsd issue and Rightwing extremists that Punisher has become an avatar for IRL. Berenthal looks like DeNiro's illegitimate child. Etc. Pretty obvious.

Great show.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Not BAMF on November 28, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
The back half of this series really made up for a lackluster first half dozen episodes. Ended up being great whe it started so poorly.

Like an inverted Luke Cage season one.

Overall, I really dug it.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: -K-M- on December 12, 2017, 06:48:47 PM
Not surprising but season 2 is announced

http://www.superherohype.com/news/409339-the-punisher-renewed-for-second-season#/slide/1 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/409339-the-punisher-renewed-for-second-season#/slide/1)
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: therock on December 12, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
The back half of this series really made up for a lackluster first half dozen episodes. Ended up being great whe it started so poorly.

Like an inverted Luke Cage season one.

Overall, I really dug it.

Inverted luke cage is my go to sex move


Ask the ladies how the like it



They say they arent a fan.
Title: Re: The Punisher Eps 10-13
Post by: Bandido on March 02, 2018, 11:54:29 PM
Refreshing to see some change in political commentary in a show, especially relevant in the US now.