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Title: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 18, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
What say you?

And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Speed
Duarbility
Skill
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: nu-safado on November 18, 2017, 03:10:20 PM
I don't know stats but I do know Superman wins :-)

Seriously though - at this piont he's a speed peer to Flash and stronger than Hulk. I'm temporarily satiated

I think Wonder Womans strength is understated - she's at least as strong as Thor if not a butit more

Essentially its the comics with Hulk a little less dynamic than usual
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 18, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Any new feats for the other non main characters - Like Aquaman, relative to Thor or Cyborg to Iron Man?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: beatboks on November 18, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
Strength

Supes 100

Steppenwolf 75

Hull ,Thor, WW  60-65

Aquaman 50 ish maybe 45

Speed

Supes 100

Flash 90

WW 80

QS 75

Aquaman 70 in water 50 or so on land

Durability

Supes 100

Hulk 85-90

Thor 80

WW (without god mode shield vs ares) 75 with it 90

Cybig didnt have anything to rate him physically but his technopathy was f#$ing high as shite
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 18, 2017, 09:34:03 PM
WWs durability was insane. She took shots from every high being. Doomsday, Ares, and Step. Nerve got knocked out. Superman's head butt was an all out and he only dazed her.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2017, 02:26:25 AM
Superman maybe got a relative buff here - I just got back from seeing it and my stances:

Batman looked far more vulnerable than I was expecting, even against the parademons, though it's a little hard to rank them

Flash was noticeably faster than Clark, which was nice. He was incredibly green in this movie and didn't know how to handle someone who wasn't a statue or fight at all.

Aquaman was a good fighter, stats wise seem maybe a bit above the average Asgardian level? Less than Wonder Woman, but tough as nails.

Wonder Woman looked great, black Widow's skill and stats that would bother any of the other A-Listers.

Cyborg looked like Iron Man stat wise, less resourceful, but more McGuffin-y.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 02:48:15 AM
Strength

Supes 100

Steppenwolf 75

Hull ,Thor, WW  60-65

Aquaman 50 ish maybe 45

Speed

Supes 100

Flash 90

WW 80

QS 75

Aquaman 70 in water 50 or so on land

Durability

Supes 100

Hulk 85-90

Thor 80

WW (without god mode shield vs ares) 75 with it 90

Cybig didnt have anything to rate him physically but his technopathy was f#$ing high as shite

Seems more or less right.  Although I'm not sure about Steppenwolf.  Aquaman and Wonder woman were both able to give him a decent fight solo, even if they were losing.  At one point, Arthur punches him across a room and into a wall.  Then again, he was holding his own against both at the same time and pulled Cyborg's leg off.  But then, he's unable to fight off Parademons, apparently.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure Flash is faster than Supes.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 19, 2017, 05:45:59 AM
Strength

Supes 100

Steppenwolf 75

Hull ,Thor, WW  60-65

Aquaman 50 ish maybe 45

Speed

Supes 100

Flash 90

WW 80

QS 75

Aquaman 70 in water 50 or so on land

Durability

Supes 100

Hulk 85-90

Thor 80

WW (without god mode shield vs ares) 75 with it 90

Cybig didnt have anything to rate him physically but his technopathy was f#$ing high as shite

How do you think Flash is slower than Superman?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Uhtceare on November 19, 2017, 05:59:25 AM
Yeah, Flash is clearly faster than Supes. Supes misses a ton of punches against him. That said, Flash seems to be faster by about as much as Muhammed Ali was faster than average boxers, rather than being on another level completely.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: DarthAlani on November 19, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Superman could definitely keep up with the Flash but Barry is faster and I expect the advantage to only increase.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Ditto on November 19, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
I’d say Superman in this film was a step above Hulk and Thor.

Wonder Woman is probably a bit below both strength wise.

I’d honestly peg aquaman as roughly drax level. Him and Wonder Woman came across like gamora  and drax fighting steppenwolf.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 19, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
I’d say Superman in this film was a step above Hulk and Thor.

Wonder Woman is probably a bit below both strength wise.

I’d honestly peg aquaman as roughly drax level. Him and Wonder Woman came across like gamora  and drax fighting steppenwolf.
WW is def as strong as Hulk. Maybe stronger. Nobody has Kod her. Nobody.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2017, 04:51:30 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 04:56:20 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 19, 2017, 05:00:43 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.
Um. Hell no. She was clearly the point before Superman.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Arthur sent Steppenwolf off his feet with a punch and also sent him spinning with a headbutt.  That was about as well as the few times Diana managed to knock Steppenwolf around.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 19, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Arthur sent Steppenwolf off his feet with a punch and also sent him spinning with a headbutt.  That was about as well as the few times Diana managed to knock Steppenwolf around.
After being softened up by Diana. Ecen Steppenwolf Saw Diana as his biggest threat. She's mine. Ding bat. And Diana was way more effective  agaist Superman. Aquaman might as well not been there. He was useless.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.

She fought Steppenwolf on in the reactor by herself and yes, lost but her skill let her hang, she also tackled through some walls. Arthur Speared him with the Trident and landed a punch, but that was after Superman beat him down.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.

She fought Steppenwolf on in the reactor by herself and yes, lost but her skill let her hang, she also tackled through some walls. Arthur Speared him with the Trident and landed a punch, but that was after Superman beat him down.

Even underwater, he knocked for a loop with a headbutt.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on November 19, 2017, 07:58:09 PM
I’d say Superman in this film was a step above Hulk and Thor.

Wonder Woman is probably a bit below both strength wise.

I’d honestly peg aquaman as roughly drax level. Him and Wonder Woman came across like gamora  and drax fighting steppenwolf.
Both Hulk and Thor would beat Superman.  Don't fool yourself the parademons did more damage to Steppenwolf than the Justice league. 
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Ditto on November 19, 2017, 08:57:04 PM
I’d say Superman in this film was a step above Hulk and Thor.

Wonder Woman is probably a bit below both strength wise.

I’d honestly peg aquaman as roughly drax level. Him and Wonder Woman came across like gamora  and drax fighting steppenwolf.
Both Hulk and Thor would beat Superman.  Don't fool yourself the parademons did more damage to Steppenwolf than the Justice league.

Yes, we all get it, you enjoy trolling DC fans. Nobody cares, bud. It’s old.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on November 19, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
I’d say Superman in this film was a step above Hulk and Thor.

Wonder Woman is probably a bit below both strength wise.

I’d honestly peg aquaman as roughly drax level. Him and Wonder Woman came across like gamora  and drax fighting steppenwolf.
Both Hulk and Thor would beat Superman.  Don't fool yourself the parademons did more damage to Steppenwolf than the Justice league.

Yes, we all get it, you enjoy trolling DC fans. Nobody cares, bud. It’s old.
I don't care what you feel I care about the facts.  Superman fought a team holding back since they just brought him back to life.  WW despite him attacking is still saying don't make me do this.  She took his first headbutt and retaliated.  He gained speed and used leverage to deliver a more powerful one.  The Justice league who had no time to work together as a team to take on someone they just brought back to life to help them. 

Hulk isn't someone who is just going to calm down and despite the speed advantage he's going to eventually tag Superman.  This fantasy of him going out of character and trying to kill everyone in the first millisecond got old ten years ago. Despite him attacking the Justice league the only one with any physical damage post fight was the human Batman.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 19, 2017, 11:17:46 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.

She fought Steppenwolf on in the reactor by herself and yes, lost but her skill let her hang, she also tackled through some walls. Arthur Speared him with the Trident and landed a punch, but that was after Superman beat him down.

Even underwater, he knocked for a loop with a headbutt.

Yeah, but the "Even" part of that statement is important. Aquaman is better underwater; I would expect him to put up a better fight there, than on land.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 19, 2017, 11:57:01 PM
I see Aquaman being close to Drax maybe,  or Spider-Man, who ever you think is stronger.

Arthur seemed to be on the same level as Diana as they were both able to do as well against Steppenwolf and Superman.

She fought Steppenwolf on in the reactor by herself and yes, lost but her skill let her hang, she also tackled through some walls. Arthur Speared him with the Trident and landed a punch, but that was after Superman beat him down.

Even underwater, he knocked for a loop with a headbutt.

Yeah, but the "Even" part of that statement is important. Aquaman is better underwater; I would expect him to put up a better fight there, than on land.

Perhaps.

One other thing that surprised me was when Steppenwolf got on top of Batman's vehicle (I think he called it Nightcrawler), he seemed to be punching his way inside and never got through.  He was really inconsistent.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 20, 2017, 12:52:31 AM
The movie was inconsistent in power showings. I know they don't sit at a board when editing these things and think, gee, how would this play out on a battleboard, but there are serious inconsistencies. Like, Flash runs after that truck with the Slavic family for a few scenes before Superman hears that civilians need help and then instantly catches up to him in order to help.

Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Prime on November 20, 2017, 02:39:03 AM
Superman is CLEARLY top dog post Justice League. Flash is faster than Superman, but not significantly so. They are in the same "weight class" speed wise. Barry is just a step or two faster. I think Diana is clearly above Aquaman, who is still pretty tough regardless.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 20, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
Some like skill are extremelly hard to judge, but this is my  best estimate.




Strength

Supes 100

DD (at birth) 75 (after nuclear explosion) 110

Steppenwolf 70

HulK ,Thor, WW  60-65

Aquaman 50 ish maybe 45

Iron Man 40

Spiderman 30




Speed



Flash 100

Supes 96

QS 75

WW 70

Aquaman 65 in water 50 or so on land



Durability

Supes 100

Hulk 80-85

Thor 75

WW (without god mode shield vs ares) 70 with it 85

Iron Man 65 (with Hulkbuster suit) 75

Aquaman 65

Cyborg 40



Skill


WW 90

Stephenwolf 82

Batman/ Cap 80

Black Panther 75

Winter Soldier 70

Thor 65

Aquaman 60

Iron Man/Superman 50




Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 09:58:16 AM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70

Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 20, 2017, 11:12:27 AM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70
:o :-[ Please! Please!! Put the pipe down.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 12:09:18 PM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70
:o :-[ Please! Please!! Put the pipe down.
Shut the fuck up. This is an opinion ranking. No one here ia right.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 20, 2017, 01:06:37 PM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70
:o :-[ Please! Please!! Put the pipe down.
Shut the fuck up. This is an opinion ranking. No one here ia right.
I know it's an opinion piece. But it should be based on facts not wish list.  The only reason you rated Stephenwolf so high is to make WW showing against him look more respectable.  Also WW hasn't demonstrated any of the 3 DCCU movies to be close to Hulk in STR or Durability, at best she's a close to Thor but even that is speculative. As for Speed your listing is also based on wishful thinking, outside of her showing against some no name german soilders and doging some bullets from some terrorist that QS could easily surpass with ease there's nothing to indicate she's up there in SPD. I'm not claiming she doesn't have SS all I'm saying no way as of the 3 DCCU movies she stared in can anyone imply she's faster than QS.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 01:41:46 PM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70
:o :-[ Please! Please!! Put the pipe down.
Shut the fuck up. This is an opinion ranking. No one here ia right.
I know it's an opinion piece. But it should be based on facts not wish list.  The only reason you rated Stephenwolf so high is to make WW showing against him look more respectable.  Also WW hasn't demonstrated any of the 3 DCCU movies to be close to Hulk in STR or Durability, at best she's a close to Thor but even that is speculative. As for Speed your listing is also based on wishful thinking, outside of her showing against some no name german soilders and doging some bullets from some terrorist that QS could easily surpass with ease there's nothing to indicate she's up there in SPD. I'm not claiming she doesn't have SS all I'm saying no way as of the 3 DCCU movies she stared in can anyone imply she's faster than QS.
You are fucking stupid.

She showed she was stronger than Thor when she casually knocked Doomsday off his feet. She also took Doomsday's best punches and Superman's all out head butt and was never kod u idiot. Which means her durability is exactly where I put it. And MCU Quick silver was put down by the very same machine gun fire type Diana effortlessly blocked and even moved someone out of the way of. Dummy.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 20, 2017, 03:16:08 PM


And for fun, Steppenwolf in stats as well.

Strength
Superman/Steppan Wolf-100
Hulk/Wonder Woman-90
Vision-85
Thor-80
Giant Man-75
Aquaman-50
Iron Man-40
Cyborg-35
Spiderman-30
Captain America-20
Black Panther-15



Speed
Flash100
Superman-90
Wonder Woman-75
Quick Silver-50
Spiderman-40
Aquaman-35
Black Panther-20
Steppanwolf-5


Duarbility
Superman-100
Steppan Wolf-95
Hulk/Wonder Woman/Thor-90
Cyborg-75
Black Panther-70
Iron Man-65

Skill
Wonder Woman-100
Steppanwolf-95
Batman-90
Black Panther-90
Captain America-90
Thor-75
Superman-70
:o :-[ Please! Please!! Put the pipe down.
Shut the fuck up. This is an opinion ranking. No one here ia right.
I know it's an opinion piece. But it should be based on facts not wish list.  The only reason you rated Stephenwolf so high is to make WW showing against him look more respectable.  Also WW hasn't demonstrated any of the 3 DCCU movies to be close to Hulk in STR or Durability, at best she's a close to Thor but even that is speculative. As for Speed your listing is also based on wishful thinking, outside of her showing against some no name german soilders and doging some bullets from some terrorist that QS could easily surpass with ease there's nothing to indicate she's up there in SPD. I'm not claiming she doesn't have SS all I'm saying no way as of the 3 DCCU movies she stared in can anyone imply she's faster than QS.
You are fucking stupid.

She showed she was stronger than Thor when she casually knocked Doomsday off his feet. She also took Doomsday's best punches and Superman's all out head butt and was never kod u idiot. Which means her durability is exactly where I put it. And MCU Quick silver was put down by the very same machine gun fire type Diana effortlessly blocked and even moved someone out of the way of. Dumny.
Did you watch the same movie everyone else watched? or do you have a special lithium induced copy that only WW fans like you have? WW didn't punch or kick DD down using STR, what she did is a skill based attack using a shield to bash DD lower leg which caused him to fall down. Any competent 15 yr old with a metal shield could knock down a 6+ bodybuilder or weightlifter with that technique. No way does that imply they're anywhere close to that weighlifter in STR. As for her durability WW had  her shield to cushion DD blows.  This the reason people hate debating you since context is always a foreign concept with you.

1. QS dodge several thousand rounds b4 failing
2. One of the reason QS failed was he was carrying an  innocent  person away from the bullets it can be argued he wasn't at his best,
3. QS was using his SPD non stop for a while, it could also be argued he was exhausted
4. WW parries more than dodge, it could also be argued had QS  a pair of bulletproof bracers to parry with he would be alive also.

Why do I've to constantly explain to you the obvious,  this is something only retard or blind person couldn't figure out. When the truth of my statements are self evident.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 03:29:05 PM
Shut your faggot ass up. A fucking skill move? How come Batman didn't do it then? And no where does it show Diana blocking his blows with a shield. Amd she certainly didnt block Superman's blows qith a shield u super faggit. It actually takes morr speed to parry tham dodge fool. Spiderman can dodgr a hail of  bulleys. As for protecting innocents, dmFia a was protecting many at once. So shut up.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Shut your faggot ass up. A fucking skill move? How come Batman didn't do it then?

Bruce had a shield?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
Shut your faggot ass up. A fucking skill move? How come Batman didn't do it then?

Bruce had a shield?
So the shield adds to her strength? How else does one sweep someone who was firmly planted against their will off thier feet? I cant sweep a 190 poind off his feet with one arm. Shield or not. Especially if he is planted and resisting. Dummy 
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2017, 04:08:42 PM
So the shield adds to her strength? How else does one sweep someone who was firmly planted against their will off thier feet? I cant sweep a 190 poind off his feet with one arm. Shield or not. Especially if he is planted and resisting. Dummy
Shadowknight is specifically arguing that strength ISN'T a factor, but the shield is. So your question about Bruce is pointless, unless he had a shield. His strength is immaterial to the point you're trying to refute.

Your 2nd statement has already been countered by shadowknight's example. Dude, you suck at this lol
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: beatboks on November 20, 2017, 04:20:33 PM
The movie was inconsistent in power showings. I know they don't sit at a board when editing these things and think, gee, how would this play out on a battleboard, but there are serious inconsistencies. Like, Flash runs after that truck with the Slavic family for a few scenes before Superman hears that civilians need help and then instantly catches up to him in order to help.

It was pretty clear he ran the wrong direction apparently more than once.

"I hope this is east"
"Now THIS is east"

He literally only just started heading the right direction after superman started toward him so not much of a head start.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: beatboks on November 20, 2017, 04:39:21 PM
Strength

Supes 100

Steppenwolf 75

Hull ,Thor, WW  60-65

Aquaman 50 ish maybe 45

Speed

Supes 100

Flash 90

WW 80

QS 75

Aquaman 70 in water 50 or so on land

Durability

Supes 100

Hulk 85-90

Thor 80

WW (without god mode shield vs ares) 75 with it 90

Cybig didnt have anything to rate him physically but his technopathy was f#$ing high as shite

How do you think Flash is slower than Superman?

The fact that he caught up to flash after Flash was finally heading innthe right direction

He wasnt far behind flash who pushed a truck that had already been headimg out of the area  (so had a head start) while carrying a building that wouldnt havenleft the area so had to go further with much more weight.

The fact that he reacted to Flash whrn fighting the JL.

He called him a slow poke
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2017, 04:40:51 PM
He called him a slow poke

Really? C'mon now. You know that was said in jest and not a serious determination of speed, right?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 04:59:10 PM
So the shield adds to her strength? How else does one sweep someone who was firmly planted against their will off thier feet? I cant sweep a 190 poind off his feet with one arm. Shield or not. Especially if he is planted and resisting. Dummy
Shadowknight is specifically arguing that strength ISN'T a factor, but the shield is. So your question about Bruce is pointless, unless he had a shield. His strength is immaterial to the point you're trying to refute.

Your 2nd statement has already been countered by shadowknight's example. Dude, you suck at this lol
You are missing the God damned point. If batman had a shield, he still wouldn't be able to do it. The shield means nothing. It is the STRENGTH behind the push that matters. She could have did the same with her fucking arm. She simply had a  shield in her hand.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2017, 05:06:13 PM
You are missing the God damned point. If batman had a shield, he still wouldn't be able to do it. The shield means nothing. It is the STRENGTH behind the push that matters. She could have did the same with her fucking arm. She simply had a  shield in her hand.

Wrong. As sk said, a weaker opponent can certainly knock a heavier, stronger opponent off their feet using a shield in the manner Diana did, using leverage.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 20, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
Y'know, I'm used to fangirl's meltdowns by now, but this time around, it seems like she's having 5-6 of them in pretty much every thread dealing with the Justice League movie.  That movie broke that poor girl.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: beatboks on November 20, 2017, 06:26:35 PM
He called him a slow poke

Really? C'mon now. You know that was said in jest and not a serious determination of speed, right?

So your goingnto focus on only 1 of tje 4 points I made in exclusion???

On 2 separate occasionsin the film Superman caught up to Flash ehrb Flash had a slight head start. One of thosewas while pushing (lifting) much greater mass.

Then theres the fight where Supes reacted to Flash JUST.

travel speed is definitely favoring Supes, I can see a case can be made for reactions favoring Flash but given the times he was tripped/ knocked down there isnt much in that.

Still 2 separate occasionsin the same fight sequence we see Supes travel faster than flash as the make the same point at the same (or almost same in building carrying case) while Flash started from closer to the finish point.

I dont know another way to interperet that than Supes being faster (based on current showings which will likely change as more movies come out)
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 20, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
He called him a slow poke

Really? C'mon now. You know that was said in jest and not a serious determination of speed, right?

So your goingnto focus on only 1 of tje 4 points I made in exclusion???

On 2 separate occasionsin the film Superman caught up to Flash ehrb Flash had a slight head start. One of thosewas while pushing (lifting) much greater mass.

Then theres the fight where Supes reacted to Flash JUST.

travel speed is definitely favoring Supes, I can see a case can be made for reactions favoring Flash but given the times he was tripped/ knocked down there isnt much in that.

Still 2 separate occasionsin the same fight sequence we see Supes travel faster than flash as the make the same point at the same (or almost same in building carrying case) while Flash started from closer to the finish point.

I dont know another way to interperet that than Supes being faster (based on current showings which will likely change as more movies come out)

Flash straight-up outperformed a Superman who was not holding back.

Flash was lost when rescuing the people at the end, hence why Clark was able to catch up. He couldn't even find East.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: nu-safado on November 20, 2017, 07:00:11 PM
Flash was a touch faster but the film made sure to argue that it was close. The whole point of Flas's speed scene when he returns is that he is moving so fast that everyone is standing still ala QS when he runs - and Superman can see and follow him. he can't quite catch him, but its close enough to make it exciting.

And they race at the end?!? That was the whole point of the scene

Flash should be a litle nit faster now and it should gow as he is fleshed out, but for now he's still learning how to run without tripping
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 20, 2017, 07:08:44 PM
Y'know, I'm used to fangirl's meltdowns by now, but this time around, it seems like she's having 5-6 of them in pretty much every thread dealing with the Justice League movie.  That movie broke that poor girl.
The problem with FG is he never admits when he's wrong and makes up facts that fly on the face of history and biology. Case point it takes more speed to block than dodge where does he come up with such tripe.

               Any halfway competent Boxer, MA, MMA, Physicist or Specialist in sports medicine would laugh at that statement. Usain Bolt the world record sprinter has gone as fast 28 mph, science estimates a perfect  human specimen could go 40 mph. Fastest Recorded Kick with Knockout- .72 M.P.H as of 1980. Most people can punch 15% faster than they can kick, which would bring a  world record punch at roughly 83 mph.

              Any Physics 101 course will tell you it takes more energy to move a large object such as a human body, than a smaller object like an arm. Yet according to FG the laws of Physics or Anatomy don't matter. Since anything that cause his false idol WW to look bad must be disregarded
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: beatboks on November 20, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
He called him a slow poke

Really? C'mon now. You know that was said in jest and not a serious determination of speed, right?

So your goingnto focus on only 1 of tje 4 points I made in exclusion???

On 2 separate occasionsin the film Superman caught up to Flash ehrb Flash had a slight head start. One of thosewas while pushing (lifting) much greater mass.

Then theres the fight where Supes reacted to Flash JUST.

travel speed is definitely favoring Supes, I can see a case can be made for reactions favoring Flash but given the times he was tripped/ knocked down there isnt much in that.

Still 2 separate occasionsin the same fight sequence we see Supes travel faster than flash as the make the same point at the same (or almost same in building carrying case) while Flash started from closer to the finish point.

I dont know another way to interperet that than Supes being faster (based on current showings which will likely change as more movies come out)

Flash straight-up outperformed a Superman who was not holding back.

Flash was lost when rescuing the people at the end, hence why Clark was able to catch up. He couldn't even find East.

He found east just before Supes caught up to him that was my point. It wasnt much of but was a head start (though a small one)

Flash jad to grab a truck and push Superman had to lift a building possibly (though this cant be confirmed) gatjer people into it. It takes longer to lift a building than get a grip on a truck. It takes more thrust to move the mass of a few hundred ton building at speed than to a 3 ton truck and they arrived withinnseconds of each other.

Also we didnt see the endnof the flash Supes Race but Supes was in front.

Flying Superman had a slight but noticeable travel speed over Flash. Not the case in reactions but definitely in travel speed.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 08:11:04 PM
Y'know, I'm used to fangirl's meltdowns by now, but this time around, it seems like she's having 5-6 of them in pretty much every thread dealing with the Justice League movie.  That movie broke that poor girl.
The problem with FG is he never admits when he's wrong and makes up facts that fly on the face of history and biology. Case point it takes more speed to block than dodge where does he come up with such tripe.

               Any halfway competent Boxer, MA, MMA, Physicist or Specialist in sports medicine would laugh at that statement. Usain Bolt the world record sprinter has gone as fast 28 mph, science estimates a perfect  human specimen could go 40 mph. Fastest Recorded Kick with Knockout- .72 M.P.H as of 1980. Most people can punch 15% faster than they can kick, which would bring a  world record punch at roughly 83 mph.

              Any Physics 101 course will tell you it takes more energy to move a large object such as a human body, than a smaller object like an arm. Yet according to FG the laws of Physics or Anatomy don't matter. Since anything that cause his false idol WW to look bad must be disregarded
Idiot. More energy means nothing with speed force and with superstrength. Besides, she clearly moves her body in the way of bullets AND blocks. Two speed feats at once.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 20, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 20, 2017, 11:49:21 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85
You arw clearly dumb. Thor above Superman? Fail.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 21, 2017, 01:28:07 AM
He did survive the blast large enough to destroy a city.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 21, 2017, 01:35:16 AM
He did survive the blast large enough to destroy a city.

But then I get the feeling it's easier to cut Thor than it is to cut Superman.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 21, 2017, 02:05:38 AM
Also probably true. Thor is difficult to rate because of much he's use Mjolnir until this past film.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 21, 2017, 02:49:40 AM
Yeah, I can easily see Thor having relatively lower slashing and piercing defenses than he would blunt force durability. I also wouldn’t be against the idea that his resistance against energy would arguably surpass his others although there’s only few cases that might even support this.

I think I have Cyborg on a similarly ‘fluctuating’ defenses if I were to possibly over analyze his scenes that I can remember. Steppenwolf managed to slice through but not completely severe his shoulder and arm with his axe, but Victor also succeeded in surviving through an energy explosion that managed to hurt Superman.

Aquaman, on the other hand, might have his durability far above his strength. It wasn’t completely clear to me, but if I had to guess I’d place it between Wonder Woman on her movie debut to how she looked in modern times.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 21, 2017, 02:54:54 AM
Cyborg complained his leg hurt after the explosion or something.

Also, does anyone else get the idea Thor has some accelerated healing?  He’s been stabbed multiple times but it never seems to be a problem or leave a mark.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 21, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
Yup, they played up the joke that Cyborg was hurt so bad that his (amputated) toes were in pain. Still, the dude survived a blast that also hurt Kal, which at the very least was a nice showing. 

Strength-wise, I’m still at a lost between Arthur or Diana. I want to say Wonder Woman, but I’d be lying it I said that my perception of their comic versions weren’t at least partly responsible for making me think so. Arthur tackled an unaware Steppenwolf, did he not? And he didn’t get much distance from the strike. In comparison, when Diana slammed into him, she smashed him through a wall and noticeably farther. That could also have been a mix of her superior speed mixed with her strength.

Later on, we have Arthur slamming the big bad away using his trident with a bigger distance than what Wondy had accomplished without her bracer strike. He also managed to pierce Step’s armor with a big throw, followed by punch that sends his target flying back again. Diana had multiple sword strikes across her encounters with Steppenwolf that seemed to have limited visual injury, though if I were to overthink this, it could also be the nature of their armor. Didn’t Wonder Woman also score a direct shield hit on him or am I imagining that?

As of right now, without constructive feedback from the less...blatantly biased members of the forum, I’d think that Arthur might actually be stronger than she is, and obviously more capable in a fight underwater. He might also have a very slight durability edge. Not certain. Dinana, on the other hand, possesses her gear which allows her more range with added defensive and offensive capabilities. Slamming her vambraces together looks like her most powerful strike; one that’s hes not matching any time soon. She’s also ridiculously much faster. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 21, 2017, 04:41:19 AM
I'd also look at how they matched up to Kal - Arthur never made an impression with strikes (He didn't get to connect with his leap) or grappling, WW was able to slow him down with the lasso struggle and piss him off with the headbutt.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 21, 2017, 04:52:51 AM
Okay, managed to find a clip of the final fight. She definitely connected with her shield, and it looked like she struck him on the side and not his axe with no noticeable effect. If I did see that accurately, then it gives a bit of weight to my initial thoughts.

Her mix of tools and skill definitely gave her a bigger advantage against Kal. Her lasso attacks have been consistently fast, she’s got that speed Aquaman lacks, plus whatever skill gap is between the two.

Fortunately this movie had a fair number of similar actions taken by several of the characters that makes these comparisons easier. Punch results, Diana taking a hit with her shield, overall movement showings and so on. I’m a little more hesitant to do so, but there are also enough of these between movies that can be used for more comparisons, namely casual shoves from Diana and Clark as well as visual effort displayed when doing lifting.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 21, 2017, 05:08:38 AM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 21, 2017, 06:55:07 AM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.

His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.

This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.

Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).

Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 21, 2017, 07:44:28 AM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 21, 2017, 07:18:26 PM
Thor does now have the ability to amp all his stats now.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 21, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
Not really.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 21, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Thor does now have the ability to amp all his stats now.

He can definitely amp his striking power, but I’m not sure if his lifting strength amps.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 21, 2017, 10:57:33 PM
Thor does now have the ability to amp all his stats now.

He can definitely amp his striking power, but I’m not sure if his lifting strength amps.

I got the impression his charged punches are about as hard as his hammer swings.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 21, 2017, 11:03:09 PM
Possibly even more so, judging by how far it knocked Hulk backward. But yes, for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 21, 2017, 11:08:57 PM
Possibly even more so, judging by how far it knocked Hulk backward. But yes, for all intents and purposes.

When Thor hit him with Mjolnir in Avengers, it knocked Hulk into two fighter jets and stunned him for a second.

Heck, even before discovering his hidden power, Thor was smacking Hulk around with a "normal" battle hammer.  I think he is just strong enough to send Hulk flying if he hits him with something solid but not so strong to send him flying with regular punches.  The charged punches make up the difference.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 22, 2017, 12:03:25 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
SM didn't spit blood with his fight against them. Having just watched the JL again last night somethings are abudantly clear.

1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 22, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
SM didn't spit blood with his fight against them. Having just watched the JL again last night somethings are abudantly clear.

1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.
Let's not forget Diana took blows from Doomsday as well as Superman. So you fail in saying AM is tuffer.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 22, 2017, 02:55:30 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
SM didn't spit blood with his fight against them. Having just watched the JL again last night somethings are abudantly clear.

1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.
Let's not forget Diana took blows from Doomsday as well as Superman. So you fail in saying AM is tuffer.
Please I watched the movie BvsS extended version a few days ago on my PC just to respond to your inane suggestions,  at least 90% if not 99% of all the blows WW took from DD landed on her shield which cushioned the attacks. IF you want I can go and rewatch again and list every blow WW took on her shield and which one hit her directly, if I do you won't like the results since I could come the conclusion she took ALL of the hits on her shield instead of over 90% of them.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 22, 2017, 03:41:50 PM
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1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

I was thinking that striking prowess leaned on Aquaman, though his preferred weapon could enhance that. The trident is about piercing but also used as blunt weapon when swung around as opposed to Diana’s sword, which is all about slicing and stabbing.
The two big things that stuck to mind which still makes me think of Arthur having an edge was the shield strike and the big punch- only one threw Steppenwolf back. I have no doubt Diana can replicate that, but I think it’ll require some speed on her part.

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2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.

The shield definitely gives her an advantage in durability, though I doubt that was in question. Her running in to protect him from the debris made that clear. Without that, I think it’s a little uncertain.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 22, 2017, 04:48:52 PM
And even thinking about that, not all that much debris threatening them seems like a low showing.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on November 22, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.

The obedience disks are a plot device designed to bypass inherent durability or strength you moron. His hair? Lol. And yes, Thor prefers to dodge rather than tank, it's called being a warrior. OMG, Superman dodge Steppenwolf's punch because he was afraid he'd be hurt. You're so fucking dumb.

Where did Surtur's fire cause any damage to Thor?

Thor was completely fine from Hulk's beatdown. Now PG ratings matter? Wow, desperation.

It was a giant Frost Giant, and he was completely unhurt. That's like saying Wonder Woman staggered Superman with a headbutt. GTFO with that nonsense. You need to stop drinking water that people urinate in.

Thor's durability feats shit on Superman's when we take into account the Aether, Sokovia and the Bifrost explosion. Now I don't think that means Thor is much more durable than Superman but that's because I'm reasonable.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 06:11:08 PM
I love how Abhi mentioned Marvel’s PG13 settings as if all DC movies haven’t been given PG13 ratings as well.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: 80sBaby on November 22, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
Logan and Deadpool solo both universes.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 22, 2017, 07:31:10 PM
And even thinking about that, not all that much debris threatening them seems like a low showing.

Probably. He might have handled it fine, but I tend to usually take scenes like that at face value unless it’s covered later on in the story. When there’s enough focus on a ‘hero in trouble’ scene, such as Thor falling from that SHIELD Hulk cell in the first movie, or Wonder Woman trapped under fire in No Man’s Land, it would have been pointless if there were no actual threat so I need to work with the idea that they were treated as in peril for a reason, even if it’s a situation we feel they should be able to survive or escape.

With that said, for the time being, I’d take it as the debris either flat out killing Arthur or at least causing significant injury.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: fangirl101 on November 22, 2017, 08:02:56 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
SM didn't spit blood with his fight against them. Having just watched the JL again last night somethings are abudantly clear.

1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.
Let's not forget Diana took blows from Doomsday as well as Superman. So you fail in saying AM is tuffer.
Please I watched the movie BvsS extended version a few days ago on my PC just to respond to your inane suggestions,  at least 90% if not 99% of all the blows WW took from DD landed on her shield which cushioned the attacks. IF you want I can go and rewatch again and list every blow WW took on her shield and which one hit her directly, if I do you won't like the results since I could come the conclusion she took ALL of the hits on her shield instead of over 90% of them.
You can do so if you like. The shield redirects pointed attacks. It's not vibranium. It does not absorb the force of the blow. Moron. Oh amd any attack she took directly still shows she is more fucking durable than Aquaman or Hulk. Since Hulk cant take shots from Thor or Iron Man.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
And even thinking about that, not all that much debris threatening them seems like a low showing.

Probably. He might have handled it fine, but I tend to usually take scenes like that at face value unless it’s covered later on in the story. When there’s enough focus on a ‘hero in trouble’ scene, such as Thor falling from that SHIELD Hulk cell in the first movie, or Wonder Woman trapped under fire in No Man’s Land, it would have been pointless if there were no actual threat so I need to work with the idea that they were treated as in peril for a reason, even if it’s a situation we feel they should be able to survive or escape.

With that said, for the time being, I’d take it as the debris either flat out killing Arthur or at least causing significant injury.

To be fair, Thor did hit the ground after falling from the Hellicarrier, he just broke out of the Hulk-cell before doing it.  Also, falling out of Sokovia and hitting the water should be just as bad but movies don't usually take into account that falling from a great height into water could be deadly.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
Since Hulk cant take shots from Thor or Iron Man.

Except when he did.  Multiple times.

I'll take some of that back.  Hulk never took Iron Man's standard punches because Iron Man never fought him without using the Hulkbuster armor.  That said, Hulk took multiple punches form the Hulkbuster armor.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: MPagar on November 22, 2017, 09:08:44 PM
To be fair, Thor did hit the ground after falling from the Hellicarrier, he just broke out of the Hulk-cell before doing it.  Also, falling out of Sokovia and hitting the water should be just as bad but movies don't usually take into account that falling from a great height into water could be deadly.

I personally don’t think the fall alone was sufficient; I always thought the cage getting crumpled up on impact was supposed to be key in killing the prisoner, or at least a ‘just to be sure’ measure.
But I agree with the sequel scene. Likely used in the typical soft water trope.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: shadowknight on November 22, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.
SM didn't spit blood with his fight against them. Having just watched the JL again last night somethings are abudantly clear.

1. It's hard to place where  DCCU WW and Aquaman stand compared to  MCU Thor in STR. They both did equally well against Stephenwolf. The major difference is WW speed edge on land and Aquaman agility and speed edge on water. Forced to choose which one is stronger I would pick WW but I'd be lying if I said the comics didn't influence my decision.

2. Watching WW and Aquaman take on Stephenwolf in the final fight, it seems clear to me Aquaman is the tougher of the 2. WW had her shield to somewhat lessen SW blows, while Aquaman took the blows directly on his body. Yet both got back up the same way.
Let's not forget Diana took blows from Doomsday as well as Superman. So you fail in saying AM is tuffer.
Please I watched the movie BvsS extended version a few days ago on my PC just to respond to your inane suggestions,  at least 90% if not 99% of all the blows WW took from DD landed on her shield which cushioned the attacks. IF you want I can go and rewatch again and list every blow WW took on her shield and which one hit her directly, if I do you won't like the results since I could come the conclusion she took ALL of the hits on her shield instead of over 90% of them.
You can do so if you like. The shield redirects pointed attacks. It's not vibranium. It does not absorb the force of the blow. Moron. Oh amd any attack she took directly still shows she is more fucking durable than Aquaman or Hulk. Since Hulk cant take shots from Thor or Iron Man.
Do you ever do any research b4 posting your crap online? Medieval swords weren't stainless steel sword, nor for that matter were Greek or Roman swords. They did most of their damage from impact. But even if they were extremely sharp, there were Maces,  Maul, Large Hammers, Flail, Ball and Chain which all work and did their damage through impact. When storming a castle, fortress or walled city defenders would often throw large rocks at the attackers if the attackers had shield more often than not they could take 1 or 2 rock attack b4 falling senseless or dead. Guess how many they could take without a shield? Answer: none. Ask anyone who studies Medieval History or Ancient History shields were life savers because they absorb damage while it'd true they were better against cutting attacks they also protected against impact damage,
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
To be fair, Thor did hit the ground after falling from the Hellicarrier, he just broke out of the Hulk-cell before doing it.  Also, falling out of Sokovia and hitting the water should be just as bad but movies don't usually take into account that falling from a great height into water could be deadly.

I personally don’t think the fall alone was sufficient; I always thought the cage getting crumpled up on impact was supposed to be key in killing the prisoner, or at least a ‘just to be sure’ measure.
But I agree with the sequel scene. Likely used in the typical soft water trope.

Yeah, I was pointing out that the fall wasn't what was dangerous.  Both Thor and Hulk survived the drop.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 22, 2017, 10:50:48 PM
Strength

Evolved Doomsday - 120
Superman - 100
Kurse - 95
Hulk / Doomsday - 85
Steppenwolf - 80
Thor - 65
WW - 60

Durability

Kurse - 110
Thor - 100
Superman / Doomsday / Hulk - 90
WW - 85

Other than "sokovia busting feat" which is highly suspect as it is, Thor has no showings which suggest he is even close to Superman in durability.


He is also shown less durable than Hulk.

Outside of getting stabbed by Loki’s Asgardian knives (and Asgardian weapons being super good at piercing), Thor has held up consistently well to all manner of attacks.


Not really. Even a control chip easily pierced his skin and Dr Strange could pluck his hair (comedic scene but still). He also dived away from falling debris on skaar.

He had welts from Surtur's fire and said a shield throw from Hulk could've killed him.

Superman is invulnerable in the movie. Even a nuke didn't puncture his skin. Thor isn't.
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His biggest feat (Sokovia explosion) looks better than Superman getting weakened by a nuke. Thor was definitely KOed temporarily, but no lasting injury was shown. Superman was temporarily incapacitated by the nuke and physically injury. Not a HUGE difference, but I’m putting Thor above Supes.


Then you've to show us Thor taking the entire "blast" of the attack. It wasn't literally a big explosion that destroyed the city either.

Further Friday said that if Thor hits the vibranium with Tony doubling it, it would've vaporized everything and everyone. That itself calls this showing as a durability feat in question.
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This is a case of Thor being WAY more durable than strong. He’s been smashed around by Hulk and Kurse to little effect. Took a huge explosion on the Bifrost to no effect. Got rammed by a Leviathan to apparently no effect.



Thor was hinted to be on verge of defeat hence the hallucinations of meeting Odin like it was against Hela. It was supposed to be a brutal beat down hence the crowd becoming uncomfortable. It wasn't to show Thor taking several punches to the head without any issue.




TBH, it's more of a PG 13 setting than anything else. Captain America surviving Iron Man's bloodlusted punches comes to the mind while in the second movie he was koed by a rocket launcher even though he had his shield take the majority of the blast.

Thor can't no sell blasts which vaporizes buildings like Doomsday did or even the Congress bomb attack which destroyed the building.

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Thor did get a slight nose bleed from a Hulk punch. That’s a low showing for sure, considering he’s taken other attacks/hits from Hulk later (including multiple head shots during a ground-and-pound without any noticeable damage).


He was also staggered back by a headbutt from a frost giant in the first movie.
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Superman was spitting up blood during his Non/Faora fight, and neither of them had Superman as defenseless or pounded Superman like Hulk did to Thor. Again, this is not a massive durability gulf here, but I do think Thor excels in durability in the movies. But Superman outclasses him in strength huuuuuuuge.
I don't think Superman spit blood anytime from Faora or Nam-Ek  And Nam was stronger than Superman.

Thor doesn't approaches Superman in durability much less exceeds him.

The obedience disks are a plot device designed to bypass inherent durability or strength you moron.

This isn't comics ragey boy. Was the control disk on Hulk?
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His hair? Lol. And yes, Thor prefers to dodge rather than tank, it's called being a warrior.


Yeah, his hair. Do you think a human could pluck Superman's hair?

And that falling debri was a mighty warrior indeed.
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OMG, Superman dodge Steppenwolf's punch because he was afraid he'd be hurt. You're so fucking dumb.


That was to show his speed. Superman effortlessly curbstomped Steppenwolf.

Did Thor beat those mighty warriors "falling debris"?
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Where did Surtur's fire cause any damage to Thor?


In the same scene ragey boy.
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Thor was completely fine from Hulk's beatdown. Now PG ratings matter? Wow, desperation.


That's why he was getting checked by nurses and had bruises eh?

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It was a giant Frost Giant, and he was completely unhurt. That's like saying Wonder Woman staggered Superman with a headbutt. GTFO with that nonsense. You need to stop drinking water that people urinate in.


That was a "giant frost giant"? He blocks Thor's attack, headbutts him and sends Thor flying with one punch.

Are you suggesting a random frost giant was as strong as Diana?
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Thor's durability feats shit on Superman's when we take into account the Aether, Sokovia and the Bifrost explosion. Now I don't think that means Thor is much more durable than Superman but that's because I'm reasonable.
Haha, right. Come back to us when Thor fights and doesn't dodges "mighty bullets".
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 22, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.

I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 22, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.


But it was shown that he could take the bullets. Thor wasn't.
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I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Maybe.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 22, 2017, 11:28:38 PM
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.


But it was shown that he could take the bullets. Thor wasn't.
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I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Maybe.

It’s been shown that Asgardians can take bullets. Thor himself got strafed by Ultron’s bullet storm in Avengers 2.

Your point was that his desire to dodge reflected poorly on durability... when in fact Superman did the same. You are a sham, sir. AN ENORMOUS SHAM.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 22, 2017, 11:33:26 PM
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.


But it was shown that he could take the bullets. Thor wasn't.
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I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Maybe.

It’s been shown that Asgardians can take bullets. Thor himself got strafed by Ultron’s bullet storm in Avengers 2.

Your point was that his desire to dodge reflected poorly on durability... when in fact Superman did the same. You are a sham, sir. AN ENORMOUS SHAM.

Yeah, it's been proven Asgardians are bullet proof.

And Superman dodged Cyborg's missile.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Commander on November 23, 2017, 02:00:27 AM
"Stepan Wolf"

Ha!
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 23, 2017, 02:44:10 AM
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.


But it was shown that he could take the bullets. Thor wasn't.
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I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Maybe.

It’s been shown that Asgardians can take bullets. Thor himself got strafed by Ultron’s bullet storm in Avengers 2.


Where none of the bullets hit him?
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Your point was that his desire to dodge reflected poorly on durability... when in fact Superman did the same. You are a sham, sir. AN ENORMOUS SHAM.
Except Superman was shown to be able to tank the bullets. Thor wasn't, not on panel at least.
Superman attempted to dodge jet gunfire in MoS. One of the bullets clips him, but he still attempted a dodge. Namek attempted to tank it and gets drilled backwards with sounds of pain.


But it was shown that he could take the bullets. Thor wasn't.
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I know this because I watched that horrid fight sequence to see if Superman spit blood as I remembered. He did not. But I swear I saw it. Maybe a trailer/commercial scene that got cut?
Maybe.

It’s been shown that Asgardians can take bullets. Thor himself got strafed by Ultron’s bullet storm in Avengers 2.

Your point was that his desire to dodge reflected poorly on durability... when in fact Superman did the same. You are a sham, sir. AN ENORMOUS SHAM.

Yeah, it's been proven Asgardians are bullet proof.
   


Where?
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And Superman dodged Cyborg's missile.
That can be chalked up to his confused state of mind.

Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Bandido on November 23, 2017, 02:56:41 AM
Thor and Superman were conscious to avoid Jet Fire.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Master on November 23, 2017, 07:03:51 AM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: AP on November 23, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?

Yep.  You should've seen the time when he claimed Flash didn't let Superman win a race while showing a scan of Flash letting Superman win a race.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 23, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?
Kindly show us where I was lying? And show us where Superman spit blood against Faora and Nam Ek.


I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?

Yep.  You should've seen the time when he claimed Flash didn't let Superman win a race while showing a scan of Flash letting Superman win a race.
Amusingly enough, nobody showed any proof of that.

"Need to win" suddenly became "I let him win".
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Snake-eyes on November 23, 2017, 11:19:30 AM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?
Kindly show us where I was lying? And show us where Superman spit blood against Faora and Nam Ek.

Here you go

http://herochat.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=5
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on November 23, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?
He is frequently caught lying and misrepresenting comic scans to movie scenes.  He uses double standards and when you point it out he attempts to change the subject and say something ridiculous like Thor's hair can be ripped out.  He isn't a serious poster.  He just scan dumps.  He's a guy with time on his hands but with an intellect so small just smile because retardation is his sword and he wants to swing it.
Title: Re: Rank the Post JL DCcu relative to the MCU Avengers
Post by: Abhilegend on November 23, 2017, 10:05:45 PM
I usually skip Abhi’s walls of text. Does he normally lie and misrep scenes this much?
Kindly show us where I was lying? And show us where Superman spit blood against Faora and Nam Ek.

Here you go

http://herochat.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=5
Oh snake eyes, regurgitating the same shit over and over again doesn't makes something true.