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Title: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 14, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
Name a character, and the poster next has to name someone who is totally a bad match. Like devastatingly so. Think Colossus vs Dr. Polaris. The character after must be able to beat the previous character without being far more powerful over all. Just a bad match.

I'll start with a character.

Iceman.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 14, 2017, 01:37:04 PM
So someone who would get beaten badly?

If I’m to understand that correctly than:

Hydro
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 14, 2017, 03:32:59 PM
So someone who would get beaten badly?

If I’m to understand that correctly than:

Hydro
Hydro-Man? He would stomp Wolverine.

Wolverine has no way to cut him, and would just suffocate or get knocked out from Lack of Oxygen as he is filled with no way to get the water out.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Captain on November 14, 2017, 04:15:02 PM
Magneto  ;D
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: AP on November 14, 2017, 04:56:18 PM
Magneto  ;D

VS

Colossus
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 14, 2017, 05:40:53 PM
Punisher


Bullets aren’t going to do the trick against Colossus. IIRC he can even take a shotgun shell to the eye and be perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Not BAMF on November 15, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
I feel like there is no consistency here in the replies. Are we picking people who would trash the last guy or who would get killed by him?
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: AP on November 15, 2017, 08:00:38 AM
I feel like there is no consistency here in the replies. Are we picking people who would trash the last guy or who would get killed by him?

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Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 15, 2017, 08:03:08 AM
I feel like there is no consistency here in the replies. Are we picking people who would trash the last guy or who would get killed by him?

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Should be who would trash the last guy if you look at yhe first 3 posts or so.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 15, 2017, 09:57:22 AM
It does appear to go either way here.

Iceman trashes Hydro-man trashes Wolverine trashed by Magneto trashes Colossus trashes Punisher.

So on balance I think we’ve been posting guys who’d do very poorly against the previous. So keeping that trend...
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 15, 2017, 09:58:51 AM
Sunspot.

Strong AF but no superhuman durability to go with it (nor speed, agility, some kind of projectile of his own or incredible skill) means Punishers bullets should really do a number on him.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 15, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Sunspot trashes

Batgirl with no effort.

Sunspot gets trashed by

The Thing with no effort.

Take your pick of who's next.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 15, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
Megatron just lights Grimm up. 
Reducing him to a smoldering pile of pebbles.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 15, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
So now a character that beats the beater? This thing is off the rails.

Madison Jeffries
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: AP on November 15, 2017, 04:45:39 PM
It does appear to go either way here.

Iceman trashes Hydro-man trashes Wolverine trashed by Magneto trashes Colossus trashes Punisher.

So on balance I think we’ve been posting guys who’d do very poorly against the previous. So keeping that trend...

Yeah, the imbalance started before my post, so I just went with it.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 15, 2017, 05:51:36 PM
Megatron just lights Grimm up. 
Reducing him to a smoldering pile of pebbles.
Madison Jefferies turns Megatron into a Tonka toy.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 15, 2017, 06:50:14 PM
See 2 posts up, Jeffries is who you’re responding to
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 15, 2017, 08:18:37 PM
See 2 posts up, Jeffries is who you’re responding to

Fangirl can't even follow his/her rules!  😂😂😂
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 16, 2017, 09:30:31 AM
To be fair, this thread is pretty chaotic at the moment with half the posts talking about the thing and the other half doing it, and a few, including the one where I put forth Jeffries, doing both, so I could seee how someone would miss a post in here.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 16, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
New round.

Superman. Who would kick his ass to the point where it was just not a good match up for him.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Dlbiininja on November 16, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
New round.

Superman. Who would kick his ass to the point where it was just not a good match up for him.

Exitar the Executioner.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on November 16, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
fangirl, you should add a new rule that people must try to name a relatively weak character who can own the previous one, because when people simply name a much more powerful character, like Dlb just did, it steers the thread toward a dead end. I thought the same thing when Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

My pick for someone who can own Superman, without resorting to a Celestial level character: Dracula
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 16, 2017, 05:50:35 PM
fangirl, you should add a new rule that people must try to name a relatively weak character who can own the previous one, because when people simply name a much more powerful character, like Dlb just did, it steers the thread toward a dead end. I thought the same thing when Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

My pick for someone who can own Superman, without resorting to a Celestial level character: Dracula
DLB is the class moron.

Yes. I agree on Dracula.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 17, 2017, 11:17:55 AM
Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

I obv disagree, and even went on to name Sunspot who'd get owned by Punisher. The reason Punisher is such a bad match up for Colossus is that one of Colossus' defining features is his impervious skin, specifically to things like bullets. The reason Sunspot is a bad match up for Punisher... well you can go back and read both posts where I provided reasons for both. It was based on the specific nature of the character, not simply "this guy is less powerful so loses". Most would probably view Sunspot as more powerful than Punisher yet... more words are not necessary here, I think the point I'm making has  been made.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: fangirl101 on November 17, 2017, 11:26:17 AM
fangirl, you should add a new rule that people must try to name a relatively weak character who can own the previous one, because when people simply name a much more powerful character, like Dlb just did, it steers the thread toward a dead end. I thought the same thing when Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

My pick for someone who can own Superman, without resorting to a Celestial level character: Dracula
Dracula would get owned so hard by The Ray. He would fuck him and his momma too. Concentrated Sun light steing enough to help heat the Earth during that suneater story a few years ago.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on November 17, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

I obv disagree, and even went on to name Sunspot who'd get owned by Punisher.

The fact that you had to come back and name a character who'd get owned by your previous pick says something in itself though. The thread was stalled for a while at that point, because no one else could think of one.

The reason Punisher is such a bad match up for Colossus is that one of Colossus' defining features is his impervious skin, specifically to things like bullets. The reason Sunspot is a bad match up for Punisher... well you can go back and read both posts where I provided reasons for both. It was based on the specific nature of the character, not simply "this guy is less powerful so loses". Most would probably view Sunspot as more powerful than Punisher yet... more words are not necessary here, I think the point I'm making has  been made.

Part of the reason the Punisher is a heavy underdog against Colossus is because he's way less powerful. Yes, Colossus has particularly impervious skin for someone in his class, but the likes of the Thing or She-Hulk would also be terrible match-ups for Castle.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 17, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
Scourge named the Punisher as someone who'd get owned by Colossus; hard to take the thread forward from there.

I obv disagree, and even went on to name Sunspot who'd get owned by Punisher.

The fact that you had to come back and name a character who'd get owned by your previous pick says something in itself though. The thread was stalled for a while at that point, because no one else could think of one.

I refuse to believe people have that little imagination around here.

I mean if, as you say, people just want to go for someone who's less powerful then there are countless picks. Especially once you get outside the realm of "comics only" which no one limited this to. Someone could say, John Wick, and give the rationale that Wick is what Punisher could be on screen but can't hold a candle the comic portrayal or some such. Y'see? I went a different route. I could name 50 characters the punisher could beat if you really wanted... granted many would be shitty for the purposes of this thing, but it's not like the Punisher can't take plenty of people.

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The reason Punisher is such a bad match up for Colossus is that one of Colossus' defining features is his impervious skin, specifically to things like bullets. The reason Sunspot is a bad match up for Punisher... well you can go back and read both posts where I provided reasons for both. It was based on the specific nature of the character, not simply "this guy is less powerful so loses". Most would probably view Sunspot as more powerful than Punisher yet... more words are not necessary here, I think the point I'm making has  been made.

Part of the reason the Punisher is a heavy underdog against Colossus is because he's way less powerful. Yes, Colossus has particularly impervious skin for someone in his class, but the likes of the Thing or She-Hulk would also be terrible match-ups for Castle.

I was trying to think of particularly poor suited characters. I mean I could have just said Mr. Hyde or something, as I think Colossus could over power him, but that lacks any kind of flavor to me. The thread seemed about exploiting potential weakness or being tailor made to give a certain character a challenge for a particular reason or set of reasons, not just being more or less powerful which seems less interesting.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on November 17, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
The fact that you had to come back and name a character who'd get owned by your previous pick says something in itself though. The thread was stalled for a while at that point, because no one else could think of one.

I refuse to believe people have that little imagination around here.

I mean if, as you say, people just want to go for someone who's less powerful then there are countless picks. Especially once you get outside the realm of "comics only" which no one limited this to. Someone could say, John Wick, and give the rationale that Wick is what Punisher could be on screen but can't hold a candle the comic portrayal or some such. Y'see? I went a different route. I could name 50 characters the punisher could beat if you really wanted... granted many would be shitty for the purposes of this thing, but it's not like the Punisher can't take plenty of people.

It's not just a matter of naming characters who match up badly against the Punisher. If you want to keep the thread alive for as long as possible, then you need to name characters who not only match up badly against him, but also don't lead the thread closer toward a dead end. And John Wick is a perfect example of a character who does precisely that; he loses to Castle not because Castle is a uniquely bad match-up for him, but because he's just plain less formidable.

Part of the reason the Punisher is a heavy underdog against Colossus is because he's way less powerful. Yes, Colossus has particularly impervious skin for someone in his class, but the likes of the Thing or She-Hulk would also be terrible match-ups for Castle.

I was trying to think of particularly poor suited characters. I mean I could have just said Mr. Hyde or something, as I think Colossus could over power him, but that lacks any kind of flavor to me. The thread seemed about exploiting potential weakness or being tailor made to give a certain character a challenge for a particular reason or set of reasons, not just being more or less powerful which seems less interesting.

I agree with that last sentence. And that just picking a weaker brick would've a dull choice. But still, the Punisher is way less powerful than Colossus.

I'll grant you this: Colossus is a tricky character to follow up in terms of picking someone who matches up badly against him without being a lot less powerful. But still, the Punisher wasn't the best choice available. Personally, I would've gone with someone like Wolverine. He's significantly less powerful, but he's also a giant killer, so he's much easier than the Punisher to follow-up with another relatively powerful character, like the Thing, for example.

And now that we've swung the dynamic around, we should be looking to pick relatively weak characters who match up great against the last character named. So while I could've picked Dormammu or Cytorrak as terrible match-ups for Superman (since they're both more powerful and capable of exploiting his weakness to magic), Dracula was a much better choice in terms of helping to keep the thread alive.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: scourge on November 17, 2017, 05:06:47 PM
Oh, I agree, Drac was a great pick for the thread. I see the Wolverine case, and he crossed my mind, but he had already been picked. I also think of Punisher as someone who can at times "Kill the MU" so while generally not the biggest power player out there, it's possible to find types that are more powerful than him who lose simply bc bullets are bad news for them.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Not BAMF on November 17, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
Also, would anyone give Punisher 6/10 against Sunspot unless specific circumstances are dictated? I sure as hell wouldn't say Sunspot is a bad matchup against someone just because he isn't bulletproof.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: Not BAMF on November 17, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Anyway, on topic, wouldn't Monica Rambeau just obliterate Dracula?
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on November 17, 2017, 05:24:09 PM
If it's true that Sunspot doesn't have superhuman durability (news to me), then yes, I'd probably make the Punisher a favourite against him. Although Punisher would avoid using lethal methods against a hero, so he'd be forced to use mercy bullets or knockout gas. Personally, I was trying to think of villains to follow up Scourge's Punisher pick, since Castle wouldn't need to hold back against them.

Incidentally, fangirl already picked the Ray as someone who'd own Dracula, so now we need to think of a relatively weak character whom the Ray matches up badly against. And by relatively weak, I simply mean the weakest character you can think of, i.e. don't go further up the power scale than you need to. My knowledge of the Ray isn't great though, so Ill defer to someone else on this one.
Title: Re: Bad Match Up!!
Post by: The Shuruku Demon on November 17, 2017, 06:52:25 PM
How about the Marvel god, Artemis, as a bad match-up for the Ray? She was able to take out Monica Rambeau in light form with one of her mystical arrows. She can also take the shape of animals, and possibly other forms, so he'd probably have a harder time spotting her than the reverse in a city environment.