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Title: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 02, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/economy/house-tax-reform-bill-individuals/index.html

big tax breaks to the rich
Corparate comes from 35 percent to 20.  Now that BEFORE you add in the loop holes and writes off. 

It also cuts the estate tax ending it in 6 years

now to be fair there are some stuff for the middle class. Their taxes will be cut in a lot of places. Not a big cut as the rich but a cut

Like the child tax credit middle class can use. Lower class not really

other places they might get hurt

Like the student loan deduction no longer there  fuck students I guess
Eliminate exemtion for dependents in a lot of places
Medical dedutions...fuck the sick I guess


Seem like a lot of red states get breaks, and a lot of blue states get some deduction lessen...hmmm imagine that.

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 02, 2017, 04:21:26 PM
Paul Ryan thinks 1000 bucks is what the average family spends on gas in an entire year  ::)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 02, 2017, 04:58:46 PM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 02, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.

man given the stuff you mention these passed couple of months, trump really seem to have it in for you.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2017, 05:04:50 AM
To be fair to Trump, who doesn't he hate or has screwed over in some way. Russia, maybe?

And it looks like the tax bill is close to not passing the house, which surprised me, so no way in hell does this make it through the senate. And yeah, this bill's pretty bad.

...Seriously, "Cut Cut Cut" Paul Ryan, WTF did you think would happen when you asked him to name it?
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 03, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.

man given the stuff you mention these passed couple of months, trump really seem to have it in for you.

To be fair, I thought the tax plan would end up pushing me up the tax bracket but it will actually push me down so I will benefit from it.

I just think it's bullshit they took away the one tax benefit that almost exclusively helps single parents in the hardest position.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 16, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/house-tax-plan-vote/index.html

It passed the house.

The senate next, and trying to sneak in a repeal of obamacare mandate. Got to pay for those 1 percent tax cuts somehow

Hope tasting those libtards tears were worth it..because it will hurt trump voters a lot.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on November 17, 2017, 04:15:43 AM
Making America Great Again, one plutocratic giveaway at a time! When is this trickling down to non-billionaire everyday vehicle owners?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360785-senate-tax-bill-includes-tax-break-for-private-jets

Senate bill includes tax break on private jets

The latest version of the Senate Republican tax reform bill includes a break for companies that manage private jets.

A measure in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act would lower taxes on some of the payments made by owners of private aircraft to management companies that help maintain, store and staff those planes for owners.

The language would exempt owners or leasers of private aircraft from paying taxes on certain costs related to the upkeep and maintenance of the jets, according to a description from the Joint Committee on Taxation.

.........

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
Man, they're not even trying to hide how damn evil they are at this point. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/360906-murkowski-signals-she-can-support-tax-bill-if-alexander-murray-is-part-of
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 28, 2017, 01:56:22 AM
And here we are. With Republicans trying to give more money to the rich and take away healthcare for the poor.  How is it going?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/senate-republicans-tax-plan-261088

Anyway, we already have two, Collins will probably be a no, McCain will be a no. Murkowski...well, they promised to let her drill for more oil as a bribe so she'll be a yes, but it looks like this could be another failure.

At least there is one good thing about Trump as president--he makes Mitch McConnel's every waking moment miserable. And I approve of that. Not as much as I would a approve a jet engine landing on McConnell's head, but take what you can get. I didn't expect that birthday wish to come true anyway... :(
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: altoon on November 28, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
I guess they said fuck the deposit .  Even though they constantly complained about it for 8 years.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 08:44:02 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362249-trump-opens-gop-eyes-on-tax-reform

"Yes, this is how I saved over 900 million...and now I can save more if you do this."

Is there any reason to vote Republican? I mean, if you're super rich, hell yeah. I can get that, but your average american?
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/362553-mccain-a-yes-on-tax-reform-boosting-republicans

Well, we're ****ed.

And note to self: Stop believing in this asshole! He does this to you every single time!!!
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
Well, it fell through and now the Republicans have decided to do hearings, bring in groups of experts for input, and put petty differences aside to work with the democrats for a bipartisan bill.


...

Nah, they're just rushing and putting in whatever they can and try to vote tonight on a bill no one will know what the hell is in it.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 01, 2017, 09:10:21 AM
Democrats tried to put a provision in saying businesses would need to allocate a percentage of the funds saved on taxes toward paying their employees more.

Every Republican voted no.

https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/936325726948741120
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
Yeah. These guys don't even try to hide they are the bad guys.

And it looks like Flake and Corker are a no and Collins is a maybe but now...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the

I would love them to vote this universally unpopular tax reform now after this.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 01, 2017, 01:41:52 PM
well look like this passing. Of course they made it so it cant be filibustered...because republica bring a gun to a fight while Dems bring a nerf gun

It going to fuck up obama care
It going to fuck up the debt
Students loans
if your poor your fucked


their like reverse robin hoods

Reason they all going to vote is they worried about trump being impeach. Bet they turn agaisnt trump after they got what they wanted now.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 01, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
they adding ammennments to this thing

ammendments that they probally wont read
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 04:03:40 PM
Don't worry the lobbiests know.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362829-mccaskill-lobbyists-gave-dems-a-list-of-gop-amendments-to-tax-bill

...Every single person responsible should be voted out for just how they are doing this alone.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: altoon on December 02, 2017, 08:50:43 AM
And once this goes through there gonna turn on Trump but it won't matter cause he and the GOP has already fucked us.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 02, 2017, 01:29:36 PM
Then we must vote out the Republicans and have people who will draft new tax reform!

...

Seriously, it would be really hard to make it worse than what the Republicans did. The Dems would have to use post use toilet paper to write the damn law on for it to come close to being as bad as what The Republicans did.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 02, 2017, 05:42:27 PM
The Democrats better learn something from this. When they get in power, they try to be pragmatic compromising centrists with what amounts to a right leaning by first world standards view. But when the GOP does, they go balls to the wall hard right.

The next Democratic candidate, and Dem congressional leadership, must be willing to aim for things like universal healthcare, higher wages/living standards, major federal infrastructure investments, and addressing the spiralling costs of higher education. If not, then please step aside.

Whether you have a Bernie type platform or a Tim Kaine level one, the GOP will cast you as an unamerican socialist anyway. And probably get enough sheep to believe them sometimes. So there is no incentive to go for the little pieces.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 02, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
The Democrats better learn something from this. When they get in power, they try to be pragmatic compromising centrists with what amounts to a right leaning by first world standards view. But when the GOP does, they go balls to the wall hard right.

The next Democratic candidate, and Dem congressional leadership, must be willing to aim for things like universal healthcare, higher wages/living standards, major federal infrastructure investments, and addressing the spiralling costs of higher education. If not, then please step aside.

Whether you have a Bernie type platform or a Tim Kaine level one, the GOP will cast you as an unamerican socialist anyway. And probably get enough sheep to believe them sometimes. So there is no incentive to go for the little pieces.

and ignore the media at times remember people saying

"if only obama played golf with them more or had dinner with them they listen"

also the filibuster seem kind of dead now

the fact the republicans were able to pull that shit with the supreme court was amazing

now part of the issue dem voter want compromise and washintin working together then the republican voters

fortunlly that changing a bit.

hell im guilty of it. like the team of rival ideas when obama first present, and working together

now like fuck it

didnt like the idea of going around the filibuster to get our noms. now like fuck it should of did it earlier
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Thanos6 on December 02, 2017, 07:05:47 PM
Agreed, that was part of Obama's problem. He kept trying to compromise long after the Republicans made it obvious they weren't interested.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Master on December 03, 2017, 10:49:48 PM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 02:24:57 AM
You mean the fact that it's universally unpopular and that by the standards the republicans set, the Dems could write their tax plans during lunch on napkins and it would be acceptable? :)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 04, 2017, 03:57:52 AM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.

If Alabama elects the child rapist, I'm pretty sure that's a sign that no matter what happens, morons will still vote against their interests.

Trump retards still scream MAGA and parrot bullshit lines about him doing more than any other president by this time, even though they have no clue what he's even done.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 06, 2017, 10:03:37 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363642-ryan-pledges-entitlement-reform-in-2018

Well, the tax bill won't pay for itself. It actually costs more.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/chuck-grassley-women-booze-movies

Yes, drones! Your life is but to work and give your money to the rich! Fuck you, Grassley.

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 07, 2017, 12:02:04 AM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.

If Alabama elects the child rapist, I'm pretty sure that's a sign that no matter what happens, morons will still vote against their interests.

Trump retards still scream MAGA and parrot bullshit lines about him doing more than any other president by this time, even though they have no clue what he's even done.

Paul Ryan is already licking his chops at the thought of cutting medicare, medicaid, social security, and various other social programs. Meanwhile the war funding increases. As does the endless feeding of the military industrial complex.

Get ready for a vision of America that is functionally little more than a right wing version of the USSR.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 08, 2017, 01:13:13 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trumps-richest-friends-are-asking-about-changes-to-gop-tax-bill-and-hes-listening/2017/12/07/49d70e1a-db65-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

Thank god. I'd hate for there to be some rich people who don't get what they want for Christmas.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363891-collins-considers-changing-vote-on-tax-bill-over-amendments

Oh it's too late for that.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 08, 2017, 02:35:41 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trumps-richest-friends-are-asking-about-changes-to-gop-tax-bill-and-hes-listening/2017/12/07/49d70e1a-db65-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

Thank god. I'd hate for there to be some rich people who don't get what they want for Christmas.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363891-collins-considers-changing-vote-on-tax-bill-over-amendments

Oh it's too late for that.

The Arizona duo (McCain, Flake) could have prevented this. Neither is ever going to be a Senator beyond their current reigns. Yet they talked big and then sided with Trump and the oligarchy anyway.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 09, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
Because John McCain's wife is rich. I mean, seriously, that's it.

Jeff Flake is a bitch.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364026-man-with-als-confronts-flake-on-plane-over-tax-bill-vote?__twitter_impression=true

If you think that will change his mind or the GOP going back on Collin's ammendments and they change their vote. You out of your mind.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 15, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
Well it seem the one republican hold on is voting for this. Corker
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2017, 03:21:18 AM
Yeah. No kidding. He's an asshole. Seriously, I know from all the lies he's done for my state.

And if everyone is wondering. Yeah, if you're rich--you just got a hell of a lot richer. A corporation--well, you have more money than you will ever do anything with. Like invest.

The middle class gets slammed, but if you live on the east or west coast--damn do you get it.

Sucks being a doctor or teacher.



http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/15/news/economy/gop-tax-plan-details/index.html


Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 17, 2017, 03:20:22 AM
Remember Bob Corker. He hasn't read the bill he said he'd never vote for if it increased the deficet...

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365284-corker-says-he-hasnt-read-tax-bill-after-saying-hed-vote-for-it-ib-times

But we all know why he loves it now. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/365287-last-minute-provision-in-gop-tax-bill-would-benefit-trump-corker-ibtimes

Cue the Million Dollar man theme music. :)