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Title: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 02, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/economy/house-tax-reform-bill-individuals/index.html

big tax breaks to the rich
Corparate comes from 35 percent to 20.  Now that BEFORE you add in the loop holes and writes off. 

It also cuts the estate tax ending it in 6 years

now to be fair there are some stuff for the middle class. Their taxes will be cut in a lot of places. Not a big cut as the rich but a cut

Like the child tax credit middle class can use. Lower class not really

other places they might get hurt

Like the student loan deduction no longer there  fuck students I guess
Eliminate exemtion for dependents in a lot of places
Medical dedutions...fuck the sick I guess


Seem like a lot of red states get breaks, and a lot of blue states get some deduction lessen...hmmm imagine that.

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 02, 2017, 04:21:26 PM
Paul Ryan thinks 1000 bucks is what the average family spends on gas in an entire year  ::)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 02, 2017, 04:58:46 PM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 02, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.

man given the stuff you mention these passed couple of months, trump really seem to have it in for you.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 03, 2017, 05:04:50 AM
To be fair to Trump, who doesn't he hate or has screwed over in some way. Russia, maybe?

And it looks like the tax bill is close to not passing the house, which surprised me, so no way in hell does this make it through the senate. And yeah, this bill's pretty bad.

...Seriously, "Cut Cut Cut" Paul Ryan, WTF did you think would happen when you asked him to name it?
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on November 03, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
This screws any single parent households with 3 or more kids. Basically my family growing up.

man given the stuff you mention these passed couple of months, trump really seem to have it in for you.

To be fair, I thought the tax plan would end up pushing me up the tax bracket but it will actually push me down so I will benefit from it.

I just think it's bullshit they took away the one tax benefit that almost exclusively helps single parents in the hardest position.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on November 16, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/house-tax-plan-vote/index.html

It passed the house.

The senate next, and trying to sneak in a repeal of obamacare mandate. Got to pay for those 1 percent tax cuts somehow

Hope tasting those libtards tears were worth it..because it will hurt trump voters a lot.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on November 17, 2017, 04:15:43 AM
Making America Great Again, one plutocratic giveaway at a time! When is this trickling down to non-billionaire everyday vehicle owners?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360785-senate-tax-bill-includes-tax-break-for-private-jets

Senate bill includes tax break on private jets

The latest version of the Senate Republican tax reform bill includes a break for companies that manage private jets.

A measure in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act would lower taxes on some of the payments made by owners of private aircraft to management companies that help maintain, store and staff those planes for owners.

The language would exempt owners or leasers of private aircraft from paying taxes on certain costs related to the upkeep and maintenance of the jets, according to a description from the Joint Committee on Taxation.

.........

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 17, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
Man, they're not even trying to hide how damn evil they are at this point. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/360906-murkowski-signals-she-can-support-tax-bill-if-alexander-murray-is-part-of
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 28, 2017, 01:56:22 AM
And here we are. With Republicans trying to give more money to the rich and take away healthcare for the poor.  How is it going?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/senate-republicans-tax-plan-261088

Anyway, we already have two, Collins will probably be a no, McCain will be a no. Murkowski...well, they promised to let her drill for more oil as a bribe so she'll be a yes, but it looks like this could be another failure.

At least there is one good thing about Trump as president--he makes Mitch McConnel's every waking moment miserable. And I approve of that. Not as much as I would a approve a jet engine landing on McConnell's head, but take what you can get. I didn't expect that birthday wish to come true anyway... :(
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: altoon on November 28, 2017, 03:45:41 PM
I guess they said fuck the deposit .  Even though they constantly complained about it for 8 years.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 08:44:02 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362249-trump-opens-gop-eyes-on-tax-reform

"Yes, this is how I saved over 900 million...and now I can save more if you do this."

Is there any reason to vote Republican? I mean, if you're super rich, hell yeah. I can get that, but your average american?
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 30, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/362553-mccain-a-yes-on-tax-reform-boosting-republicans

Well, we're ****ed.

And note to self: Stop believing in this asshole! He does this to you every single time!!!
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
Well, it fell through and now the Republicans have decided to do hearings, bring in groups of experts for input, and put petty differences aside to work with the democrats for a bipartisan bill.


...

Nah, they're just rushing and putting in whatever they can and try to vote tonight on a bill no one will know what the hell is in it.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: XerxesTWD on December 01, 2017, 09:10:21 AM
Democrats tried to put a provision in saying businesses would need to allocate a percentage of the funds saved on taxes toward paying their employees more.

Every Republican voted no.

https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/936325726948741120
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 11:50:04 AM
Yeah. These guys don't even try to hide they are the bad guys.

And it looks like Flake and Corker are a no and Collins is a maybe but now...

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the

I would love them to vote this universally unpopular tax reform now after this.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 01, 2017, 01:41:52 PM
well look like this passing. Of course they made it so it cant be filibustered...because republica bring a gun to a fight while Dems bring a nerf gun

It going to fuck up obama care
It going to fuck up the debt
Students loans
if your poor your fucked


their like reverse robin hoods

Reason they all going to vote is they worried about trump being impeach. Bet they turn agaisnt trump after they got what they wanted now.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 01, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
they adding ammennments to this thing

ammendments that they probally wont read
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 04:03:40 PM
Don't worry the lobbiests know.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362829-mccaskill-lobbyists-gave-dems-a-list-of-gop-amendments-to-tax-bill

...Every single person responsible should be voted out for just how they are doing this alone.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: altoon on December 02, 2017, 08:50:43 AM
And once this goes through there gonna turn on Trump but it won't matter cause he and the GOP has already fucked us.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 02, 2017, 01:29:36 PM
Then we must vote out the Republicans and have people who will draft new tax reform!

...

Seriously, it would be really hard to make it worse than what the Republicans did. The Dems would have to use post use toilet paper to write the damn law on for it to come close to being as bad as what The Republicans did.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 02, 2017, 05:42:27 PM
The Democrats better learn something from this. When they get in power, they try to be pragmatic compromising centrists with what amounts to a right leaning by first world standards view. But when the GOP does, they go balls to the wall hard right.

The next Democratic candidate, and Dem congressional leadership, must be willing to aim for things like universal healthcare, higher wages/living standards, major federal infrastructure investments, and addressing the spiralling costs of higher education. If not, then please step aside.

Whether you have a Bernie type platform or a Tim Kaine level one, the GOP will cast you as an unamerican socialist anyway. And probably get enough sheep to believe them sometimes. So there is no incentive to go for the little pieces.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 02, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
The Democrats better learn something from this. When they get in power, they try to be pragmatic compromising centrists with what amounts to a right leaning by first world standards view. But when the GOP does, they go balls to the wall hard right.

The next Democratic candidate, and Dem congressional leadership, must be willing to aim for things like universal healthcare, higher wages/living standards, major federal infrastructure investments, and addressing the spiralling costs of higher education. If not, then please step aside.

Whether you have a Bernie type platform or a Tim Kaine level one, the GOP will cast you as an unamerican socialist anyway. And probably get enough sheep to believe them sometimes. So there is no incentive to go for the little pieces.

and ignore the media at times remember people saying

"if only obama played golf with them more or had dinner with them they listen"

also the filibuster seem kind of dead now

the fact the republicans were able to pull that shit with the supreme court was amazing

now part of the issue dem voter want compromise and washintin working together then the republican voters

fortunlly that changing a bit.

hell im guilty of it. like the team of rival ideas when obama first present, and working together

now like fuck it

didnt like the idea of going around the filibuster to get our noms. now like fuck it should of did it earlier
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Thanos6 on December 02, 2017, 07:05:47 PM
Agreed, that was part of Obama's problem. He kept trying to compromise long after the Republicans made it obvious they weren't interested.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Master on December 03, 2017, 10:49:48 PM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 02:24:57 AM
You mean the fact that it's universally unpopular and that by the standards the republicans set, the Dems could write their tax plans during lunch on napkins and it would be acceptable? :)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 04, 2017, 03:57:52 AM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.

If Alabama elects the child rapist, I'm pretty sure that's a sign that no matter what happens, morons will still vote against their interests.

Trump retards still scream MAGA and parrot bullshit lines about him doing more than any other president by this time, even though they have no clue what he's even done.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 06, 2017, 10:03:37 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363642-ryan-pledges-entitlement-reform-in-2018

Well, the tax bill won't pay for itself. It actually costs more.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/chuck-grassley-women-booze-movies

Yes, drones! Your life is but to work and give your money to the rich! Fuck you, Grassley.

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 07, 2017, 12:02:04 AM
Dems need to win big in the next elections... and the GOP has paved the way for a relatively easy repeal of their tax plan.

If Alabama elects the child rapist, I'm pretty sure that's a sign that no matter what happens, morons will still vote against their interests.

Trump retards still scream MAGA and parrot bullshit lines about him doing more than any other president by this time, even though they have no clue what he's even done.

Paul Ryan is already licking his chops at the thought of cutting medicare, medicaid, social security, and various other social programs. Meanwhile the war funding increases. As does the endless feeding of the military industrial complex.

Get ready for a vision of America that is functionally little more than a right wing version of the USSR.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 08, 2017, 01:13:13 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trumps-richest-friends-are-asking-about-changes-to-gop-tax-bill-and-hes-listening/2017/12/07/49d70e1a-db65-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

Thank god. I'd hate for there to be some rich people who don't get what they want for Christmas.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363891-collins-considers-changing-vote-on-tax-bill-over-amendments

Oh it's too late for that.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 08, 2017, 02:35:41 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trumps-richest-friends-are-asking-about-changes-to-gop-tax-bill-and-hes-listening/2017/12/07/49d70e1a-db65-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

Thank god. I'd hate for there to be some rich people who don't get what they want for Christmas.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363891-collins-considers-changing-vote-on-tax-bill-over-amendments

Oh it's too late for that.

The Arizona duo (McCain, Flake) could have prevented this. Neither is ever going to be a Senator beyond their current reigns. Yet they talked big and then sided with Trump and the oligarchy anyway.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 09, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
Because John McCain's wife is rich. I mean, seriously, that's it.

Jeff Flake is a bitch.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364026-man-with-als-confronts-flake-on-plane-over-tax-bill-vote?__twitter_impression=true

If you think that will change his mind or the GOP going back on Collin's ammendments and they change their vote. You out of your mind.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 15, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
Well it seem the one republican hold on is voting for this. Corker
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2017, 03:21:18 AM
Yeah. No kidding. He's an asshole. Seriously, I know from all the lies he's done for my state.

And if everyone is wondering. Yeah, if you're rich--you just got a hell of a lot richer. A corporation--well, you have more money than you will ever do anything with. Like invest.

The middle class gets slammed, but if you live on the east or west coast--damn do you get it.

Sucks being a doctor or teacher.



http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/15/news/economy/gop-tax-plan-details/index.html


Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 17, 2017, 03:20:22 AM
Remember Bob Corker. He hasn't read the bill he said he'd never vote for if it increased the deficet...

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365284-corker-says-he-hasnt-read-tax-bill-after-saying-hed-vote-for-it-ib-times

But we all know why he loves it now. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/365287-last-minute-provision-in-gop-tax-bill-would-benefit-trump-corker-ibtimes

Cue the Million Dollar man theme music. :)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 19, 2017, 08:58:56 AM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16791174/republican-tax-bill-congress-conference-tax-policy-center

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 19, 2017, 02:07:53 PM
It's really hard to listen to these faggots like adult Eddie Munster Paul Ryan lie blatantly in the face of reality.

Worse yet is all the braindead #MAGAots buy into it.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: superlurker on December 19, 2017, 04:47:31 PM
The next step in their brilliant plan: "Oh no, the deficit is so yuge! We need to cut entitlements and welfare! They didn't bother finding work with all those awesome tax cuts we gave them, so now we'll snip their SNAP. It's sure to get the economy going, and everyone will be better off for it!"

(https://i.imgur.com/mOfIUha.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 19, 2017, 07:43:41 PM
The next step in their brilliant plan: "Oh no, the deficit is so yuge! We need to cut entitlements and welfare! They didn't bother finding work with all those awesome tax cuts we gave them, so now we'll snip their SNAP. It's sure to get the economy going, and everyone will be better off for it!"

(https://i.imgur.com/mOfIUha.jpg)

Applauded

As I said elsewhere :

Quote
It's an endless con game by the GOP. Huge giveaways to the wealthy and corporations that fail to deliver the promises. Followed by denial they failed by Republicans. Followed by huge defense increases. Followed by another giveaway to their corporate donors. Followed by "We have to address debt by cutting SS, Medicare, Health Care, Infrastructure, Education, etc.

The modern GOP's goal is a nation of poor, sick, ignorant sheep that will vote for their rulers."
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 19, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
Here why they will always get away with this

Big Taxes cuts to the rich. That hurt the poor in the wrong one. People hate the poor even if they are the poor. Because most people like to think they arent poor...or just going to be rich sooner or later. And dont want their imaginary weatlh taxes

The taxes need to be paid for. So they cut programs. Because they cut them. These programs become slowly shitty over times.  Thus making people think these goverment programs cut


So when it times to FIX things....they take away some of the tax cuts..NEVER all of them. So dems in office...trying to make up the money that was lost. They never go full hog..like the republicans. That just lower it somewhat out of a need to comromise


Republcains get in office again....and they go buck wild...and the pattern repeats


Now the republcians never gone this level of insane. But it may still end up being popular. Because a lot of people will get some money tossed at them in the middle class temporarly. In 10 years they be fucked...but they see it as 10 years them promblem...and by that time a dem would be in office and thus take the blame. Also people generaly hate taxes. Very rarely has anyone lost because the lower taxes...even if on the rich.

if a progressive get in office to get taxes at what they should be. Not only will they have sale raising the taxes up to where they are after this, but then they got to raise the tax rate to where it always should have been. Which would be sold as a double tax raise by the republicans

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 19, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
also the tax cuts for the middle class runs out after a couple of years
Lot of the taxes for the rich..permanent

That should show most people what their priorites are

They doing it...because when the middle class tax cuts runs out..what little they get. In order for the middle class not to get thier taxe raised, they will add more tax cuts for a rich. And then say people against it are anti middle class tax cuts
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: altoon on December 20, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
I don't understand how the Dem aren't jumping all over this the way the GOP did with the ACA or Obama Care as they liked to call it.  They need to come up with a catchy name and constantly remind everyone who's behind it.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 20, 2017, 01:47:41 PM
Well Aca is dead

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/20/politics/tax-bill-latest/index.html
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 20, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
Not really. Though it is significantly weakened.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-falsely-claims-tax-174320774.html

Quote
President Donald Trump on Wednesday heralded Republicans’ tax bill for its provision repealing the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate by incorrectly asserting that the health care law as a whole had been repealed.

“When the individual mandate is being repealed, that means Obamacare is being repealed,” Trump said at a Cabinet meeting that seemed to double as his airing of grievances before the holidays. “We have essentially repealed Obamacare, and we will come up with something much better.”

This is demonstrably false. The law still remains, after Republicans’ failed efforts to repeal it earlier this year. Republicans have devised ways to fundamentally weaken Obamacare’s provisions because they have not yet figured out how to repeal it outright, as HuffPost’s Jonathan Cohn reported.

This sums it up pretty well imo :

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/19/obamacare-repeal-tax-bill-trump-243912

Quote
Obamacare survived the first year of President Donald Trump, but it’s badly damaged.

The sweeping Republican tax bill on the verge of final passage would repeal the individual mandate in 2019, potentially taking millions of people out of the health insurance market. On top of that, the Trump administration has killed some subsidies, halved the insurance enrollment period, gutted the Obamacare marketing campaign, and rolled out a regulatory red carpet for skimpy new health plans that will change the insurance landscape in ways that are harmful to former President Barack Obama’s signature health care law.

None of these individually represent a death blow. But in aggregate, the past year adds up to a slow, stealthy erosion of the law.

“They obviously couldn't kill it, so they're trying to starve it slowly," said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), who sits on the House Ways and Means Committee, which helped write the original law.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 20, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
meawhile

http://whnt.com/2017/12/19/84000-alabama-children-will-impacted-by-pending-loss-of-all-kids-program/

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 20, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/one-potential-loser-in-the-new-gop-tax-bill-puerto-rico/2017/12/20/cdf4324a-e5c9-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html?utm_term=.0f577f62a6f9

Ok that shit is just being petty bitches
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 20, 2017, 09:46:40 PM
And yet there are still clueless people that want Dems to nominate a bland corporate centerist

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/20/how-to-beat-trump-2020-elections-generic-democrat-216121

How exactly is the nation ever supposed to return to sanity if the GOP moves things to the far right while the Democrats start in the middle or middle-right?
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 21, 2017, 12:12:17 AM
And yet there are still clueless people that want Dems to nominate a bland corporate centerist

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/20/how-to-beat-trump-2020-elections-generic-democrat-216121

How exactly is the nation ever supposed to return to sanity if the GOP moves things to the far right while the Democrats start in the middle or middle-right?

yea that dumb.  Moore was a racist , sexist, homophonic pedofile..and he BARELY lost

Only due to a huge black turn out to...who energize for obvious reason. So you need to pick guys that enegize it. And that bold movementr

For instance I am not for 15 across the board. Think it depends on the area. Sometimes that under 15 sometimes that more. Since its a living wage..nothing more nothing less.  But clearly that not where the base headed. So they be fools not to argue for minum wage to be 15 across the board. argue over the damm particualrs later

Like I am not really anti free trade. For some free trade. Maybe not TPP but some kind of deal But Shit I would be touting that shit if I ran. Go more populaist canidate. You got to go where your base is

Hell would even cut off some social warrior stuff with in reason. Like monumnets. I think a lot of them if you read when they were actully put up were put up for "Settle down negro this is our country" sorts of reasons. But taking them down wouldnt be my focused if I running in a reddish state. If their particapation trophies mean that much to them..find.  Same with statue of George Washington (aka if HH holmes had a time machine and traveled to 1492)

Althought some stuff like that social issues are also eccnomic issues..so they should let the right lump everything together. And some of just conentutional and just let not do horrible shit to people issues..that shoildnt be ignore either.

That said that vote did show. if someone you dont 100 percent agree with...go against a racist who may of fuck kids, think anything after the 10th ammenment a mistake...maybe hold your nose and vote for the lesser evil in that one. That said why put voters in that position and vote for someone who consider

I would go BIG next chance. If I was a the dems  I would go hard. Because when ever the republcians get power they go a 100 percent ham on their insane stances.  I would star filibustering. If we needed 60 votes to pass the smallest of thing...they need to as well. If they go "But we only have 51"  my response "Fuck you figure it out"

if they go. "Well we just end the filibuster then assholes"
Find make it easier to passed left wing stuff when we get in power, and they cant say shit because we be playing with in the rules they set. What the point of having filibuster power if you never lose. Becuase they second we do for something really want, you know they going to end it anyway

Would do major stuff once they get power...in a way it going to be hard to change. used ever legal trick in the book. None of this olive branch shit. This bill is HORRIBLE...they dont give a shit.  The olive branch is pointless. It always get slapped out of their hand. And used to beleave in that eam of rivals. Figure come on there sane republicans in office...they keep voting for these things that the country hate, add to deficet and ruin people lives

Shit their voter almost voted for a pedofile..and open racist.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 21, 2017, 02:48:58 AM
Yeah. I think for districts you pick the best fit. Nationally, I want the far left guy.

And yeah, it's a lost cause to work with the current GOP leadership. They are all evil shitheads. Mitch McConnell is a piece of monkey crap, Ryan is a lying SOB, and Grassley is a miserable jackass who thinks the poor should just work, give their money to the rich, and shut the hell up and not enjoy anymore moment of the day with a cold beer or a movie. And he's the good one!

And here's the thing. Beating Trump shouldn't be that hard. Nominate anyone but Hillary should just about do it at this point.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 21, 2017, 02:58:10 AM
And I'm sick of these articles on "How the GOP got taxes done."

Here let me tell you how. Not giving a damn. Straight up not giving a damn. They know they're doomed in 2018 and beyond so they went, "well, crap, let's put in big breaks for all the stuff we own and for our donors so they give us more money." Boom and here we are. Like people talking about McCain--he's rich!!! Of course he wouldn't oppose this. Sure he's dying, but hell, might as well go out richer.
 
And Susan Collins--you think not showing up to the big celebration is going to save you?! "Oh, they didn't do what you wanted and took out your subsidies" NO KIDDING! Anyone with a brain knew that--and I'm assum
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: LiquidSailor on December 21, 2017, 05:24:27 AM
Some retards are touting the recent announcements from AT&T, Comcast, and Wells Fargo about giving their employees bonuses or pay raises as a sign the tax bill is what they were waiting for.  Probably was part of the payoff to get them the tax breaks in the first place, as a final thank you to the republicans to make them look good.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 21, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Bet they wont even stick to raising their pay. May get a little raised for some people. But for the msot part they wont

issue with this..is some of the bad stuff will be felt quickly.  Like health care will be help. There premiums will increase.  People who got help with Chip will be hurt right away. A lot.  Bring up chip because they said they couldnt afford it. Let they can afford these tax cuts

If the Dems have any intlegence they would push that fact in red and purple states that effected by that

The fact the individual tax rate sunset
But the coprate tax cuts dont...that here to state

That should show where the republicas

The dems just got to push that idea with out making a Trump voters who brought his bullshit  feel like they calling them dumb  (although a good portion totally are)






Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: therock on December 22, 2017, 05:44:23 PM
Also turn out the AT&T raise, was talk to happen like months before. Unions were pushing for it. So they probally were going to do it anyway

Got to say republicans way better at messaging

Under obama lot of workers got some extra cash, due some taxes.  Similar to what they getting here. Now not saying that because I like Obama. Saying that because even though I like Obama I didnt know about that...because the dems are shitty shitty messangers
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Imperial on December 22, 2017, 06:01:58 PM
Got to say republicans way better at messaging

They truly are.

The GOP tells lies flat out more effectively than many Democrats relate basic facts. And when the Dems finally get someone that does truth tell efficiently, the corporate side of the party does whatever it can to smear them. Tulsi Gabbard, beware.

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2017, 03:24:35 AM
Today Trump was asked if he was going to campaign for the bill--but he said no. Because, apparently, that would involve him having to work a weekend or two. :)

Oh, and something I forgot. Trump, Ivanka, Jared messed up their vote for mayor of NY. Trump by getting his own birthday wrong. Yep. America is a sitcom.

Even more bad news.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/22/trump-voter-fraud-committee-democrat-access-318433

Yep. Gotta include the Dem. It's bad enough we live in a world where a filthy liberal is a better choice than an insane, racist, child molester--but a dem is allowed to participate in this highly important office to find all those illegal votes of immigrants. Must be hidden behind all the republican voter fraud. :)

Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Panthergod on December 23, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
Today Trump was asked if he was going to campaign for the bill--but he said no. Because, apparently, that would involve him having to work a weekend or two. :)

Oh, and something I forgot. Trump, Ivanka, Jared messed up their vote for mayor of NY. Trump by getting his own birthday wrong. Yep. America is a sitcom.

Even more bad news.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/22/trump-voter-fraud-committee-democrat-access-318433

Yep. Gotta include the Dem. It's bad enough we live in a world where a filthy liberal is a better choice than an insane, racist, child molester--but a dem is allowed to participate in this highly important office to find all those illegal votes of immigrants. Must be hidden behind all the republican voter fraud. :)



Yes, a flthy liberal MIGHT be a better choice than Killary.
Title: Re: Trump and GOP Tax Plan
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2017, 02:43:09 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/international/china/366752-china-to-offer-tax-breaks-to-foreign-companies-after-gop-tax-bill

Well...

Crud.