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Title: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
I mean, I'm pretty sure he's going to lock up worst modern day president by the end of the year, but can he ever unseat James Buchanan as the worst president ever?

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 13, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
We'll see how he compares to Jackson.  As far as mordern presidents go, I think he has it in the bag.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: scourge on October 13, 2017, 10:14:17 AM
We'll see how he compares to Jackson.  As far as mordern presidents go, I think he has it in the bag.

Agreed

W. is sitting somewhere painting himself bathing with dogs and every 10 mins saying "fuck yeah" out loud to no one in particular, occasionally giggling while he sips his mint tea.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on October 13, 2017, 10:55:58 AM
People act like they actually like Dubya now. Posting pics of him laughing with Michelle, talking about "This is how friendship looks" and the like.

That's says it all.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.

How do you have James Buchanan not the worst? The guy let the Civil War happen!! Look, I get that Andrew Jackson was a racist and he is probably in hell for what he did but he did take the power that was the rich and elite and give it to the common man. Was a war hero. He thought against government corruption. Nearly beat his assassin to death. Told South Carolina to screw off when they first talked about splitting from the union.

Do I think he deserves to be on a dollar bill? No. But he shouldn't be recognized as the worst president.

Nixon. Hm, that one I can see because it is more modern with different norms than Jackson and Buchanan. But I still think Buchanan takes it as worse president.  Again he actually did do a few good things.

Buchanan was just horrible all the way around. The guy was a screw-up that was given a position far away and easy...and then somehow people thought that meant he was talented and qualified. In other words, he was a less jackass Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Wyntyr on October 13, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
If Trump somehow manages to last all 4 years, then yes, he will
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.

How do you have James Buchanan not the worst? The guy let the Civil War happen!! Look, I get that Andrew Jackson was a racist and he is probably in hell for what he did but he did take the power that was the rich and elite and give it to the common man. Was a war hero. He thought against government corruption. Nearly beat his assassin to death. Told South Carolina to screw off when they first talked about splitting from the union.

Do I think he deserves to be on a dollar bill? No. But he shouldn't be recognized as the worst president.

Nixon. Hm, that one I can see because it is more modern with different norms than Jackson and Buchanan. But I still think Buchanan takes it as worse president.  Again he actually did do a few good things.

Buchanan was just horrible all the way around. The guy was a screw-up that was given a position far away and easy...and then somehow people thought that meant he was talented and qualified. In other words, he was a less jackass Trump.

Probably because I don't know as much about Buchanan.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 13, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

Yeah, if I have Buchanan as number one, Johnson has to be in my top five somewhere. Anyone see that movie on TMC about Johnson, yeah, I'm from Tennessee and I admit it's pretty much all garbage.

Actually, come to think of it alot of the presidents from that time, like Pierce should easily be in the top ten. 

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 13, 2017, 10:01:11 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

Yeah, if I have Buchanan as number one, Johnson has to be in my top five somewhere. Anyone see that movie on TMC about Johnson, yeah, I'm from Tennessee and I admit it's pretty much all garbage.

Actually, come to think of it alot of the presidents from that time, like Pierce should easily be in the top ten.

You're not kidding. No wonder the 1800's were rather shitty.

Before Pierce you had Fillmore, who was useless too. And was there anyone good between Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 13, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Jackson was considered racist even by the standards of the 1800's.  Let that shit sink in.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 13, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

yea nixon could be pretty progressive at times


it just he was a crazy paranoid bastard.  Oddly enough with watergate he was pretty ahead of the dems so it was unneeded  as fuck
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Yeah. I can't think of a good one. In fact, looking at a list of presidents and...damn, we have not a good track record when I go, "The lecheous Hillbilly might crack the top ten." :)

And yeah, Jackson was racist, but he did do a lot of good too...compared to people ahead and behind him. I mean, wow.

Nixon was actually okay, weird, but okay, until Kennedy and his cheap ass tricks ruined him and made him what we got as president.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Uhtceare on October 14, 2017, 02:07:56 PM
Yeah. I can't think of a good one. In fact, looking at a list of presidents and...damn, we have not a good track record when I go, "The lecheous Hillbilly might crack the top ten." :)

And yeah, Jackson was racist, but he did do a lot of good too...compared to people ahead and behind him. I mean, wow.

Nixon was actually okay, weird, but okay, until Kennedy and his cheap ass tricks ruined him and made him what we got as president.

There was actually a pretty long stretch of time when the President was almost irrelevant. America was basically ruled by Congress from roughly just after the Civil War until WWI. After that the Executive branch gradually gained more power, becoming massively powerful once the era of the Military Industrial Complex kicked in. That's why do few Presidents from that chunk of history are remembered.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 14, 2017, 04:35:11 PM
Well, at least not remembered for anything good. :)


And I got news. Looks like Trump, after his excecutive order on healthcare, Iran, The California fires, and the current problems in Puerto Rico, is working hard with congress to find solutions!!!

...


Yeah. He's golfing again. :)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355445-trump-heads-to-his-virginia-golf-course

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 15, 2017, 05:30:14 AM
Didn't someone figure out that Trump has gone golfing more often than Obama did in his first year despite Trump's "I won't have time to golf" bullshit?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on October 15, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
Nixon overall wasn't a bad president; his legacy is just so caught up with the Watergate stuff that it's hard to see past it sometimes. Reagan was a terrible piece of shit, though.

Comparing Trump to other unsuccessful presidents is also very contingent on historical circumstances. If Trump had been president in Buchanan's place, it's entirely possible the final outcome would have been worse than it was. Trump just hasn't had the opportunity to screw up that badly yet, but not for lack of trying -- he seems keen to get millions of Koreans killed, to blow up the Middle East, to destroy the U.S. and the world economy, to alienate traditional U.S. allies, and possibly even get into a war with China or something if he's able to. And if all else fails, he might just multiply the U.S. nuclear arsenal by a factor of ten and fire it all.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 15, 2017, 10:20:36 PM
Didn't someone figure out that Trump has gone golfing more often than Obama did in his first year despite Trump's "I won't have time to golf" bullshit?
http://trumpgolfcount.com/#services

Yeah, it's an objectively higher golf count.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 17, 2017, 06:58:04 AM
But how does he have time when he's the only president to ever call the families of fallen soldiers?

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/355728-trump-faces-blowback-after-claim-about-calls-to-families-of-the-fallen

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 17, 2017, 07:17:47 PM
But how does he have time when he's the only president to ever call the families of fallen soldiers?

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/355728-trump-faces-blowback-after-claim-about-calls-to-families-of-the-fallen

Trump clearly cant admit her wrong

This came from people attacking him for not reaching out to war familes. So of course he attack obama. And when confronted about this instead of say "Yea I mispoke"   he double down with saying Obama never called Kelly when his son died

turn out Obama had a dinner for four star familes..where kelly was invited to sit at his table next to michelle and him


Listen he doesnt even have to applogizes..just acknowledge reality sometimes
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 17, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
https://www.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

Wow.

Also, watching Don Lemon, and the White House response. Damn. I mean, I know I shouldn't be shocked by how evil these people are but how brazen they are just...damn.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on October 18, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
But I guess it not as disrespectful as not standing for the national anthem
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 18, 2017, 06:08:28 AM
After what he said to that grieving soldier's wife I think he solidified it yesterday.  Even with what else he said it's like just shut the fuck up!  Obama even showed up to receive & salute those that fell.  Trump hasn't said one damn thing until what Sunday or Monday.  Cause, he was to busy tweeting about what the nfl needs to do.  I'm hoping Melania turns on his ass. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on October 18, 2017, 06:19:54 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 18, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.

Once again it's him minimizing their service. As he did when he did avoiding stds was his personal Vietnam, or when he said he likes soldiers who weren't captured. 

And I think the wife even later verified it later last night. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on October 18, 2017, 11:09:44 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.

The wife verified it and also claimed he didn't even know her husband's name.

What I find most interesting is the number of people who continue to apologize for him, as though he has somehow earned the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Red Exodus on October 18, 2017, 12:45:27 PM
Trump? Absolutely.

Sure, we've had other presidents who've made the most bone-headed of mistakes,
were racist, owned slaves, cheated on their wives, illegal activities, etc., but the
Donald is every bit as bad and possibly worse.

The list goes on and on for Donald, and has it even been a year into his presidency yet?
And look at all the shit this idiot gets himself and others into. That says a lot.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 18, 2017, 01:06:49 PM
Again I put this by how I would react if someone else did it. like someone like who I voted for like an Obama or Hillary

not going to say how the republicans would react..which is basicly burn the white house to the ground. But how I would personaly react


I think if Obama tried to make the crazy ass claim..they were the only ones who every contacted a fallen solider family..I would say that was an easily provable load of bullshit. Hell I might give them a benifit of the doubt and say it was a slip of the tongue. If they then DOUBLE DOWN on it..and the insane claim they never called a person family..when it  clear proof they were at the person Dinner table...I would start questioning their sanity


Somehow Trump given a speacial passed to bullshit due to bullshitting so much. Where if you have to call him out on his bullshit so much...you start looking like the asshole. When really that shouldnt be the case. Can see why it tiring because he keeps doing crazy shit. But if the president..the most powerfull man in the world keep doing crazy ass shit...then the media will report on it

Currently he saying he has proof that the congresswoman was lying. Any other president the media would hound the guy for the proof he said he has. But they will drop this..and move on to Trump next crazy ass shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 20, 2017, 06:15:49 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356444-white-house-defends-kelly-as-above-reproach

And John Kelly has given in to the dark side. Oh you don't you stare into the abyss, without it staring back at you! MMMYYAHHHHAAA.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on October 21, 2017, 08:34:51 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 21, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.

Um.... You DON'T want that.  Ever.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on October 22, 2017, 02:16:50 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.

Um.... You DON'T want that.  Ever.

Don't you tell me what I want and don't want! Next you'll be telling me I don't really want radium in my toothpaste!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Wyntyr on October 22, 2017, 02:21:07 AM
Show us ur dick tho
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 22, 2017, 12:23:15 PM
would say something about thanos

but got to make sure he not a four star general before I debate him.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on October 25, 2017, 05:25:35 AM
Trump hasn’t dragged us into any unnecessary wars yet. He hasn’t put people into internment camps. He hasn’t sold weapons to Mexican cartels, or slaughtered Native Americans. He’s kept us out of war with Syria (for now.) He’s childish on Twitter and oftentimes an ass, but I don’t see how this makes him the worst President so far.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 25, 2017, 09:57:57 AM
It really comes down to the long term effects of how divisive he's made people. Hopefully people will come to there senses. If not the ramifications could be pretty dire for the people within the country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 25, 2017, 10:45:22 AM
Trump hasn’t dragged us into any unnecessary wars yet. He hasn’t put people into internment camps. He hasn’t sold weapons to Mexican cartels, or slaughtered Native Americans. He’s kept us out of war with Syria (for now.) He’s childish on Twitter and oftentimes an ass, but I don’t see how this makes him the worst President so far.
He has specifically continued wars he insisted he was pulling America out of for years. Just one of his many, many, many documented lies.

He has also signed an executive order to force military pilots out of retirement at his discretion. He needs someone to fly those shitty jets we keep wasting billions on. Billions he personally claimed as a "win for Trump".

He has antagonized world powers publicly and behind closed doors, unquestionably weakening our stance and leverage for any attempts at diplomacy.

He disrespects the troops repeatedly, and has done so for the entirety of his "political career" with no signs of slowing down.

He sold 12 billion worth of fighter jets to Qatar right after publicly declaring them a terrorist state.

Trump insisted the Saudis were responsible for 9/11 and should be held accountable. Naturally, he sold them 110 billion worth of weapons.

Meanwhile, he cried like an incompetent little bitch about providing South Korea with resources while completly failing to understand an enormous part of their "payment" is us continually having bases and shit there for OUR strategic needs.

It REALLY seems like you're denying the things he's openly done, or you are completely unaware of anything outside of his Twitter account over the last 9 months.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 25, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
Almost anyone that likes Trump or the GOP at this point either :

 1. Supports a neo-feudal type of system      or
 2. Has been effectively fooled or lulled by those that do.

I'm not at all convinced that this will be easy to rebound from either. There are simply too many dedicated redneck idiots in the U.S. The good ole boys southern philosophy of making it job one to check the ascent of people that look different even at one's own expense is too prevalent.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 25, 2017, 10:58:06 PM
Trump somewhat Bulletproof

Since the he can always paint the media as sensationlist and bashing Trump. After all there an anti trump story every week

But part of that is he KEEPS doing and saying Crazy shit.  Shit that would be a scandal with any other president. But it happesns so frequently..it gets lump together and has an appearance the media just tossing shit at the wall

But what the meida to do...if he proposes something unconstitutional on Wednesday..do you not talk about it because he did something similar on tuesday.


And the bashing works for Trump

A suprising amount of people not only think the media making it up
or agree with taking away media licencees

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/poll-republicans-back-power-pull-news-media-licenses/169444

fourthly that wont happen because our founding fathers put in checks and balances just in case the public went full retard

but its still disturbing

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: scourge on October 27, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
Has anyone mde the “until Kid Rock becomes president” joke yet? (Pls let this only be a joke)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 27, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
Has anyone mde the “until Kid Rock becomes president” joke yet? (Pls let this only be a joke)

Fuck, Kid Rock might be better by comparison.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 27, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Mike Pence is a false teacher. He clutched that bible to his heart and used it as a weapon to get what he wanted, and then when the chance for power came, he threw it away and shook hands with the devil. People like Mike Pence are why churches grow more and more empty.

Also just read this and just...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-halloween-children-244255

Stop being a fucking asshole for a few minutes!!!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 27, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Jesus Christ. Do you think in Trump's presidential library there will be a news article about the time he set a little girl down the road of having body issues?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2017, 01:14:16 AM
Don't make me think about that. It reminds me every tweet the tangerine tumor has ever made is recorded in the archives. :(

And I'm going to make a wild guess about Saturday...Trump will be at a golf course. Which I'm starting not to mind, since he doesn't disgrace this country too bad...well, except those damn see through white shorts of his.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-utah-national-monument-shrink-sacred-bears-ears-mining-drilling-a8024121.html

He really is a fan of Jackson.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2017, 04:32:03 PM
Our president is a cartoon villain.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/357598-puerto-rico-says-nearly-1000-people-died-of-natural-causes-after-hurricane

There are a lot more dead post Hurricane that are not being included in the numbers.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 28, 2017, 11:59:22 PM
Our president is a cartoon villain.

Virtually the whole elected GOP function as a sort of Legion of Doom. Complete with brainwashed followers as zombies/hand ninjas. It has become a real life Bizarro world.

(https://s6.postimg.org/vxoig99up/TMW2017-10-25color.png) (https://postimg.org/image/wzyoyssnx/)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2017, 02:42:50 AM
It's an even bigger Council of Doom because they're also going after Captain Planet too. :)

I mean, seriously, is there one person in any position that is actually qualified for their job? The best I can come up with is Sarah Hucklebee is a much better liar than the other guy. Probably comes with being more evil. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 29, 2017, 03:32:06 AM
It's an even bigger Council of Doom because they're also going after Captain Planet too. :)

I mean, seriously, is there one person in any position that is actually qualified for their job?
The best I can come up with is Sarah Hucklebee is a much better liar than the other guy. Probably comes with being more evil. :)

There is the new Ambassador to Canada, Kelly Craft. I mean, she is the wife of a coal magnet. If that is not qualified, I don't know what is. She understands there are two sides to every issue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t6EYrkt-9c&t=0s

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/kelly-craft-doesnt-understand-clouds-or-climate-change-at-all/

Yesterday, Kelly Knight Craft, newly named U.S. ambassador to Canada, appeared to channel one of this country’s finest songwriters during her nonsensical remarks about “both sides of the science” of climate change. It was the wondrous Joni Mitchell, recall, who sang of looking at clouds, and their magical ability to transform, from “both sides now” in her 1969 song Clouds. Mitchell concluded: “It’s cloud illusion I recall. I really don’t know clouds at all.”

Neither, judging from her comment, does Craft. She doesn’t understand the enigmatic role clouds play in climate change, nor does she comprehend global warming’s effect on glaciers, or rising sea levels or the rising incidence of “floods, droughts and heat waves” noted in communications from the U.S. government before the election of an anti-science ideologue whose administration has taken positions against human-induced climate change, evolution, vaccines, stem cell research—and on and on.

We could deplete precious oxygen dissecting Kelly Craft’s motivation, even her attempt to appear, in her equivocation, conciliatory with the Canadian government (or, for that matter, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers). Certainly there’s much to discuss: Craft’s husband, Joe Craft, a major Trump supporter, made his billions off the backs and health of Kentucky coal miners.........
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 06, 2017, 05:15:46 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/358897-trump-urged-native-american-leaders-to-extract-resources-from-their

Yeah, Obama isn't here anymore. You're now dealing with an evil reckless narcissist jackass.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Red Exodus on November 07, 2017, 01:42:26 PM
But he's not racist. Donald fucking loves Mexican food. He even tweeted it himself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 07, 2017, 04:01:06 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/358897-trump-urged-native-american-leaders-to-extract-resources-from-their

Yeah, Obama isn't here anymore. You're now dealing with an evil reckless narcissist jackass.

Wasn't this the plot of one of the Three Ninjas movies?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 11, 2017, 03:26:31 AM
Actually...yeah. I think it's part II, the one before Mega Mountain with Hulk Hogan.

...

I miss video rental stores. :(
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 11, 2017, 02:28:05 PM
Actually...yeah. I think it's part II, the one before Mega Mountain with Hulk Hogan.

...

I miss video rental stores. :(
3 Ninjas Knuckle Up? Or 3 Ninjas Kick Back?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on November 13, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Knuckle Up I think.  Kick Back was my fav.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 13, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
We need a 3 Ninjas Netflix series.

Also...CONSPIRACY!!!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/360189-trump-tweeted-about-podesta-emails-15-minutes-after-wikileaks-asked

Oh, also Trump wants Republicans to give a tax cut for the rich using money for health care insurance for lower income americans.


Seriously, The 3 Ninjas here how an evil dictator is trying to take the healthcare from a friend with a horrible disease and go to confront him. It would be amazing!!! :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 13, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

And greater detail. So Don Jr should be in jail, right?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on November 15, 2017, 10:42:12 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

And greater detail. So Don Jr should be in jail, right?

i am shock because wikileaks as i been told 100 percent unbias
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on November 15, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
I've returned to this topic just to talk about 3 Ninjas.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 16, 2017, 04:15:13 AM
Three Ninjas vs The Leprechaun.

Good idea or the greatest idea? :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on November 16, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Nah I want a complete reboot.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 22, 2017, 04:05:40 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-end-provisional-residency-protection-for-50000-haitians/2017/11/20/fa3fdd86-ce4a-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html

Sorry, guys, but you all look too much like Obama for Trump's liking.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/21/trump-roy-moore-accusers-doubt-257454

Yep. So this Thanksgiving week, he's kicking out thousands of people whose home has been wrecked and sides with a child molester. I wonder what he's going to do for Christmas?

But seriously--what a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 25, 2017, 02:51:35 AM
And let's just look to see how one of Trump's appointees is doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html

That seems about right.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Master on November 27, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
And let's just look to see how one of Trump's appointees is doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html

That seems about right.

This looks like a catastrophe in waiting.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 28, 2017, 01:51:25 AM
Yep. And he's still not taking meetings or...y'know just doing his job.

And as for Trump...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/trump-navajo-code-talkers-pocahontas-260989?lo=ap_d1

Has there been a single day, not a golf day, when he hasn't just--not been a jackass or at least kept his mouth shut?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 08:39:55 AM
Another day another opportunity to be a crappy human being...and super early!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362279-trump-weighs-in-on-matt-lauer-firing

I wish the damn GOP was like Comcast, at least they have some fucking standards.

Oh and if you think that's all and he's done after being racist...nope.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362278-trump-retweets-videos-muslim-migrant-beats-up-dutch-boy-on-crutches

Yep.

And let's not forget yesterday when he tweeted and the Dems said, "screw it" and didn't go to a stupid meeting, which he then did a remake of the Apprentice. Normally, I'd be POed at Pelosi and Chuck for this--but hell, I wouldn't want to deal with a snotty man child either!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/362434-usda-delays-healthy-school-lunch-requirements

Well, I think we all saw this one coming.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the

So...worst president ever?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 02, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
Sorry, looks like ABC is wrong/jumped the gun.

And in other stupidity.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/362935-ex-obama-doj-official-trump-just-admitted-to-obstruction-of


Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 02:22:05 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363014-us-pulls-out-of-global-compact-on-migration

Just another week, just another week to start doing more horrible things and making the world a worse place.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/363149-trump-slashes-utah-land-protections

Well, native americans, you fought long and hard to protect your land--and Trump does away with that in less than a year.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 06, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/homeless-veterans-benefits-trump-207781

Don't worry, vets. You're the only person Trump has lied to recently.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/06/investing/coal-tax-cuts-robert-murray-trump/

Well, you're in an exclusive club of people Donald Trump has lied to. It's called THE WORLD.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 12, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/364405-trump-slams-gillibrand-in-tweet-a-total-flunky-for-chuck-schumer

WTF is wrong yout?!!? Okay, I know what's wrong with you--but HTF did the people screening your tweets miss this one?!!?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 14, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/14/trump-cut-red-tape-business-regulations-296834?lo=ap_b1

Yes, look at all the regulations that helped the environment and kept people safe during dangerous jobs. And of course, gold scissors.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 14, 2017, 05:05:47 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/364679-watchdog-trump-administration-improperly-withheld-funds-for

Oh well that's one thing that probably in those stupid papers from the above link.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2017, 03:22:45 AM
http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/healthcare/365204-trump-admin-bans-cdc-from-using-evidence-based-and-science-based

The war on Christmas is BS but the war on intelligence and facts is very real. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on December 16, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
http://www.wistv.com/story/37076931/trump-reconsiders-rules-protecting-miners-from-black-lung

Quote
President Donald Trump's mining regulators are reconsidering rules meant to protect underground miners from breathing coal and rock dust -- the cause of black lung -- and diesel exhaust, which can cause cancer. An advocate for coal miners said Friday that this sends a "very bad signal."

The Mine Safety and Health Administration has asked for public comments on whether standards "could be improved or made more effective or less burdensome by accommodating advances in technology, innovative techniques, or less costly methods."

How's that Trump support sounding now, coal miners?

More proof that these are the people who're really in charge of this administration:

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/2066cc8ded7fa1f3d2bd917fc16a1b76/tumblr_oggd0clrkC1rsdeiko1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 17, 2017, 03:17:08 AM
Hey, hey, that's not a fair representation.

Sly Sludge and Hogish Greedly turned good. No one on Team Trump is redeemable. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on December 20, 2017, 10:36:40 PM
There are so many links here (head spins.)  Anything covering this yet? ( Trump : We need more corruption. )

 https://trofire.com/2017/12/20/trump-embraces-corruption-pulling-us-global-anti-corruption-pact/

Quote
Trump Embraces Corruption By Pulling US Out Of Global Anti-Corruption Pact

Donald Trump has decided to pull the United States out of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative which is more commonly known as the Anti-Corruption Pact. This pact forbade countries from doing business with companies that exploited and bribed government officials around the world in the name of resource extraction. Trump is fully embracing corruption, and as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins points out, he isn’t shy about how corrupt he wants this country to be.

Transcription:

Donald Trump is trying to make it as clear as humanly possible to the American public that not only does he not have a problem with corruption, but that he wants the United States to engage in even more corruption all around the globe. Recently, Donald Trump announced that he was pulling the United States out of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, which is also known as the Anti-Corruption Pact.

This is a pact that started in 2002 by former UK prime minister Tony Blair, and 52 other countries have signed on to this pact. It basically, here’s what it says. It says that if you are an extraction company, like Exxon Mobil or any other oil extraction company in the planet, if you go to another country and you bribe foreign officials with money or gifts or whatever it is, you have to disclose that to the public in that area and the rest of the world so that the people can make an informed choice on whether or not they even want you in their country so that the public gets a say, or at least is informed, about the corruption that’s taking place in their country.

Donald Trump recently decided that that’s no good. The United States doesn’t want to take part of that. We don’t care if companies like Exxon or Chevron are going to other countries, bribing government officials, kicking indigenous people off their lands to extract some oil, things that have happened in the last decade. We don’t care about that. We want these extraction companies to just make more and more money. To hell with everybody else. To hell with this Anti-Corruption Pact.

It is absolutely insane that this particular story has flown under the radar here in the United States. The president literally pulled us out of something called the Anti-Corruption Pact because he wants to help boost the profits of fossil fuel companies all over the planet.

Now, I’m sure Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State and former CEO of Exxon Mobil had absolutely no problem with this. Unfortunately for him, he’s going to be the guy that has to go around all these other countries and explain why the United States suddenly decided that corruption is just fine in our book.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 21, 2017, 02:31:45 AM
No. Sorry. It's hard covering everything this evil shithead does. I mean, just today he screwed over millions upon millions of people--and made it a little worse for PR because--well, might as well. And yeah, it doesn't surprise me Trump would do this considering where a lot of his businesses are.

Here's another one to the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/20/trump-un-vote-jerusalem-response-308242

Do as I saw or I'll let people starve and suffer.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on December 21, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
No. Sorry. It's hard covering everything this evil shithead does. I mean, just today he screwed over millions upon millions of people--and made it a little worse for PR because--well, might as well. And yeah, it doesn't surprise me Trump would do this considering where a lot of his businesses are.

Here's another one to the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/20/trump-un-vote-jerusalem-response-308242

Do as I saw or I'll let people starve and suffer.



Whelp now we know who actually own him. Israel, not Russia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Hey it could be worse. For example.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366304-report-trump-suggested-haitian-immigrants-to-us-all-have-aids

Also, if anyone is wondering, yes, Trump went to golf today.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 24, 2017, 05:26:17 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366318-trump-needles-fbi-deputy-amid-news-of-retirement

FBI, totally unfair. Their wives are stupid and mothers fat. Impossible to be fair.

And to think the FBI leans way more Republican. Of course, that might change now. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 26, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366461-trump-democrats-and-republicans-will-eventually-develop-a-great-new

It's just after Christmas. Can't you wait and be a total prick until at least Friday? Go play golf or something and stay off your damn phone and leave us alone!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 27, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/366529-cnn-cameras-capture-video-of-trump-golfing-in-florida

Well, I did say go play golf...

"I'll get back to work." That's a good one.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/366873-trump-campaign-aide-prompted-russia-investigation-in-drunken

Drunk on power. Also, this makes Trump being a prick to the Australian President an interesting new twist. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on December 31, 2017, 09:59:45 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/366873-trump-campaign-aide-prompted-russia-investigation-in-drunken

Drunk on power. Also, this makes Trump being a prick to the Australian President an interesting new twist. :)

Prime Minister.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2018, 01:58:07 AM
Eh, my one mistake of last year. :)

Anyway, to catch up.

Trump took credit for airline planes not crashing, but not the doubling of coal mining related deaths.

He also started the new year by going super nuts on twitter.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/02/trump-north-korea-nuclear-war-320232

Yep. Any hope of 2018 being an improvement is quickly going down the drain pipe. :(
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on January 03, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
Just some more speculation on what everyone knows: He's an idiot and getting dumber by the hour.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/01/trump-cog-decline/548759/
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 04:29:42 AM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html)

This book coming out proves what a lot of people have been thinking.  Trump's administration never wanted to win the election.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2018, 09:14:11 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367348-5-surprising-allegations-from-the-new-book-about-trumps-presidency

So Melania kicked him out and he has three TVs in his bedroom. And he's an asshole to the white house staff.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on January 04, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 05:05:04 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.

Yeah, he started walking that back a little even within the first month or so in office.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.

Yeah, he started walking that back a little even within the first month or so in office.

But he's also continued to talk about the wall.  Even as recent as last week. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 06:12:37 PM
He’s not the type to just admit he was wrong.  He’ll talk it up a bit more before quietly shutting up.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he started denying the whole thing all together.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 04, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
A wall isn’t needed to reduce illegal immigration. Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them, and streamline the deportation process. That would take real political will, though.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Uhtceare on January 04, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them,

That would mean targeting the rich and businesses. That's not going to happen. This is America.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 04, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them,

That would mean targeting the rich and businesses. That's not going to happen. This is America.

Agreed. That’s why weed isn’t legal, and why I can’t own a sugar glider. The fucking hamster and gerbil lobby have the pet rodent legislation on LOCK.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 05, 2018, 02:37:11 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-called-hope-hicks-the-best-piece-of-tail-corey-lewandowski-will-ever-get-book/article/2644893

Well least I can agree with him on that

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5a26eaf9f914c357018b8047/hope-hicks-went-from-mimicking-ivanka-trumps-style-to-ripping-off-melania-trumps--and-it-could-reveal-a-building-drama-inside-the-white-house.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/10/18/4631E39100000578-5070881-Kicking_off_the_trip_Hope_was_one_of_the_staffers_who_traveled_t-m-31_1510337221675.jpg)

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59e7aba52cf5042e35429e77/master/h_590,c_limit/Ivanka-Modeling-Years-SS13.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 05, 2018, 11:00:12 AM
He’s right. Corey fucked up.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on January 05, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
He’s not the type to just admit he was wrong.  He’ll talk it up a bit more before quietly shutting up.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he started denying the whole thing all together.

You're psychic.

Posted on Twitter:
"Thank you to the great Republican Senators who showed up to our mtg on immigration reform. We must BUILD THE WALL, stop illegal immigration, end chain migration & cancel the visa lottery. The current system is unsafe & unfair to the great people of our country - time for change!
---
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 06, 2018, 02:37:42 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367640-fusion-gps-gop-request-for-a-criminal-investigation-is-an-attempt-to

Yes, yes this who they go after first--well, Hillary too because damn if we don't do another fifty investigations something will turn up.

Ah, Chuck Grassley, the guy who thinks the poor should not drink beer or see movies and just give their money to the rich and spends his down time going after The History Channel for having Pickers on instead of a two hour auto biography on George Washington. Go to hell. And take McCain's impy little pal with you.

But hey, anything to distract for President Evil Orange.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 08, 2018, 08:42:40 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/trump-end-salvadorans-protected-status-327570?lo=ap_d1

It's like Trump wakes up each morning and goes "what can I do to be a worse human being?" That evil piece of human shit McConnell waddles to him and gives him a list of evil things to do.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/trump-agriculture-farmers-tennessee-nafta-270000

Yeah, he's going to screw them over.
 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2018, 07:31:33 AM
Well, I think everyone knows about the shithole comment and him not knowing WTF he believes in on the surveillance bill but what else has President Moron done?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368654-trump-says-he-canceled-trip-to-london

Y'know when he's having it bad, he blames Obama for something. Normal stuff he just goes after Hillary or some random person, but when he super ****ed up it's back to Obama.  God, I wish we could go back to Obama. :(



Sadly, the people of London will be denied the honor of being visited by Trump. They really love him over there from what I hear. :)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/trump-peter-strzok-treason-337918

Yeah, Mueller will go after those guys right after he brings in known conspirator code named: Agent Orange. :)

Remember all those jobs Coal got? Yeah, those are gone and then some. Also, corporations are cutting employees even after their massive tax breaks/cuts/handouts/robbing the american working class.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/trump-special-election-pennsylvania-pittsburgh-336502

How bad is it for Republicans when every district looks like it's a fight now?

Huh I've been thinking maybe Trump is the chosen one like how IDW Starscream was the chosen one: an individual people hate so much that it unites everyone to oppose him. Of course Starscream confessed to all his wrongdoings, plead guilty, all so a caring leader could take over. I don't see Trump doing that. Yes, STARSCREAM is a better human being than Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on January 12, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
One thing that puzzled me a bit about the whole shithole thing was when Trump said the U.S. should get more people from Norway and fewer from shithole countries. But why would Norwegians want to move to a shithole like the U.S. now?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 12, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
One thing that puzzled me a bit about the whole shithole thing was when Trump said the U.S. should get more people from Norway and fewer from shithole countries. But why would Norwegians want to move to a shithole like the U.S. now?
Yeah, he definitely knows nothing about Norway or Europe in general. He just knows they have a lot of white people.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2018, 05:03:16 PM
I'm loving the fact that every anchor and guest on MSNBC is jumping at the chance to say "shithole" on the air.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
Because if the exact quote ("why are we taking people from these shithole countries") it implies that the people are as shitty as the countries they come from. The idea gets more emphasized when he seems more welcoming to countries like Norway.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 06:07:54 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.

I not like he just some random dude who said it at a bar

He was in a meeting with fellow polticians..working on policy, talking about policy. And this directly reflect said policies and matches some other stuff he allegeged of saying. Then how he pushed some of his policies.

This not just picking on Trump. Any other presidents saying this.  If Obama said "I dont want anyone from those cracker ass countries to come here" And his policy seem to reflect that it would be an issue.  Hell other people running got shit for stuff they said behind close doors.  And normaly the leaks  here tend to be other republicans..or his people. So maybe if you pick cabinet of total assholes...they may do assholes things like leak shit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 07:09:35 PM
AAaaand, they just made it easier for Trump to spy on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_rqWI6N5s8&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_rqWI6N5s8&feature=share)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
Libel laws is next

If he expands them hope people sue the shit out of him under those new libel laws

Hell he may be broke our current libel
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 12, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.
Are you serious?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:21:02 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/trump-analyst-of-korean-heritage-should-negotiate-with-north-korea-nbc.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

Trump told an expert analyst on Pakistani intelligence she should be a negotiator for North Korea because shes pretty and Korean.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
Are you serious?

Our government's been caught spying on every country in the world, as well as our own population. We've been drone striking the Middle East for the past 16 years. We've meddled in the internal affairs of countless countries, almost always to their detriment, and our own. Invaded Irag on a lie, then caused the deaths of 500,00 children because of an embargo. We arm violent groups of people who then get turned loose to do our bidding. We've allowed guns to be sold to the worst drug cartels in the world. We've blackmailed civil rights leaders. This is just off the top of my head.

A President calling a country a shithole in a private conversation does not get my jimmies rustled.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?

Did this statement change your opinion of Trump? Are you surprised he speaks crudely in meetings? Are you surprised Trump has a negative view of Haiti? I'm assuming the answer to the above is no.

My larger concern is the inability of Democrats and Republicans to work together on everything. Every fucking issue is a deadlock. If I'm pissed about something, it's that this is another distraction from our government hammering out a point-based immigration system that prioritizes desired skills, educational level, language ability, relative youth and health, and ability to find employment of applicants like EVERY OTHER FUCKING MODERN COUNTRY HAS.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:52:18 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?

Did this statement change your opinion of Trump? Are you surprised he speaks crudely in meetings? Are you surprised Trump has a negative view of Haiti? I'm assuming the answer to the above is no.

My larger concern is the inability of Democrats and Republicans to work together on everything. Every fucking issue is a deadlock. If I'm pissed about something, it's that this is another distraction from our government hammering out a point-based immigration system that prioritizes desired skills, educational level, language ability, relative youth and health, and ability to find employment of applicants like EVERY OTHER FUCKING MODERN COUNTRY HAS.

Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:53:41 PM
And seeing how one Dem and 2 reps have already confirmed that what he said it seems like both sides can actually find common ground.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:58:40 PM
Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.

Would you rather Trump's comments not have been leaked if it made a solid immigration deal more likely? Or would you prefer that they were leaked, even if it means making a deal less likely?

I'd be a lot more upset if he were talking about American citizens. And I mean about the actual people, not a city or region. Because I routinely refer to places like Detroit and Binghamton as shitholes.

But fuck it, what did Ted Cruz say about New Yorkers? They have shitty values? I didn't mind, he's absolutely right. New Yorkers are by and large bitter assholes and I curse every day I wake up in this fetid pit of a city.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
I'm guessing it was leaked because people involved didn't think they can reach an agreement with him.

And if the quote is accurate he did comment on the people. His question equates the people to the "shithole" country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 09:17:40 PM
Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.

Would you rather Trump's comments not have been leaked if it made a solid immigration deal more likely? Or would you prefer that they were leaked, even if it means making a deal less likely?

I'd be a lot more upset if he were talking about American citizens. And I mean about the actual people, not a city or region. Because I routinely refer to places like Detroit and Binghamton as shitholes.

But fuck it, what did Ted Cruz say about New Yorkers? They have shitty values? I didn't mind, he's absolutely right. New Yorkers are by and large bitter assholes and I curse every day I wake up in this fetid pit of a city.


Yes and new York told him to go fuck himself and voted against him.  Because they might feel the hatred for them may effect how he govern

Just like Trump dislike for people from a certain region may effect his polices



Listen I get wanting both sides to agree.  But at some point...The guy at the head of the country got to help with that.  If the head of the country activly going against people uniting people...that going to be a huge road block


at some point the president hold some responbility in the division. Becuase he is the president.  Meeting people half way is nice

But if its

person 1- I am going to beat you to death

Person 2- What no

Person 1- Find I will only beat you HALF to death

That not the meeting people half  I want.  If one side pushes stuff to such an extreme...it makes even the half way mark an extreme mark
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 10:14:32 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

I mean bombing are not a good thing

Neither having a guy who clearly and lot of the times openly racist, and might be a mad man..at the heard of the worlds most powerfull country. Namely when some connected

Disliking trump doesnt mean you cant dislike the people in the passed. People like to pretend the media just picking on Trump just because he Trump. Yea party it becausr the media dont like him.  On the other hand it just holding him to the same standard

I mean lets say if it was president Hillary and in a middle of the media she stop to say

"Hey we all hate the jews right"

That would be a story worth telling in the news. Wouldnt make any other bad stuff she did not worth telling. But if your a news reporter..your going to give that some news. You be well in your right. And you can replace any person with that.
 Because that shit effect our relatontions around the world. I may effect how jewish people see the president..and may make them worried for the future. Namely when its a pattern of it.

And it not like he shouldnt expect this to come out. His shit always leak. That among his cabinet.  People he hired. Let alone meeting with people who directly against  his policies.  He should know at some point to stop blurting crazy shit out loud by now.  It leaks all the damm time.  First few...find give you a mulligan. But now you should know the deal
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

They're not.  That's the problem.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 10:54:06 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

They're not.  That's the problem.

Well this just happen so yea it going to be in the news
Again if the president saying openly racist that going to be the news story for a bit


But not like they reporting on other stuff
Today saw them talking about the iran deal
Daca
North Korea
The crazy ass judge who running for senator

This week news talk about taxe
Puetro Rico
Taxes


Now could they adjust how much they talk about each. Yea. But they talk about. Just because the media doesnt focused on those other issue enough...doesnt mean this issue that does relate to policy not worthy of being talked about
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 11:19:27 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/MV9Uc

Almost two hours between the tweets before he realized he now benefits. There was also an unrelated tweet between the two.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 13, 2018, 03:00:19 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/trump-medicaid-work-requirement-kentucky-164638

I actually approve of this. Kentucky gave us Mitch McConnell. They deserve their fate. And to be lit on fire. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 10:05:32 AM
I mean lets say if it was president Hillary and in a middle of the media she stop to say

"Hey we all hate the jews right"

If she said that about American Jews, yeah it would be f'ed up.

If she said something crude about Israel in a private meeting, I wouldn't care, and would wounder why the President's private meetings are being aired out in public.

If she said something crude about Israel in a public forum, I'd question her judgement and diplomatic skills.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 10:08:48 AM
Why are you more bothered if he said that about Americans over non-Americans?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
Because I’m an American, and because the American President governs over, is elected by, and is responsible to my fellow citizens. In America.



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 10:32:40 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 11:15:23 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
Again he's not just calling Haiti a shithole. He's equating the people to the quality of the country. He's questioning why we should take anyone from that country and that seems one step away from creating anti-shithole country policies.

And the thing is we can focus on everything since we actually can't actively change them. We can just make a list of grievances and use that as an argument as part of why he should be impeached/voted out.

And this IMHO is pretty good evidence to anyone who claims he isn't racist/xenophobic.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 13, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Because I’m an American, and because the American President governs over, is elected by, and is responsible to my fellow citizens. In America.

Yes but he makes foreign policy and this effect foreign policy. And saying that shit at a meeting discussuin forieng policy effect it...since ideally your suspose to be working shit out


Also guess it depends on what he consider Americans
Does he he consider the Daca people Americans. Past comments about anchors babies and stuff make me question that
Which by the way part of what they were talking about in the meeting. It not like he was with his friend at a Buffolo wild wings shooting the shit..and there for it has no stakes

Does he view Puetro Rico as Americans. His comment and response  to the crisis makes me question that


And as neo said this one more thing to ad to this guys probally a xenophone and racist.   Which going to affect how he govern Americans.

now it make some people say "meh we know he racist...whats a big deal"

Well then that just normalizing insane behavoir and that will effect presidents in the future.. I am holding this guy to the same standard as we would any other president
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 13, 2018, 02:56:51 PM
Are you serious?

Our government's been caught spying on every country in the world, as well as our own population. We've been drone striking the Middle East for the past 16 years. We've meddled in the internal affairs of countless countries, almost always to their detriment, and our own. Invaded Irag on a lie, then caused the deaths of 500,00 children because of an embargo. We arm violent groups of people who then get turned loose to do our bidding. We've allowed guns to be sold to the worst drug cartels in the world. We've blackmailed civil rights leaders. This is just off the top of my head.

A President calling a country a shithole in a private conversation does not get my jimmies rustled.


You have got to be joking. Absolutely nothing you just listed somehow validates or justifies what he said in any way, shape or form. Those things are independently shitty, and it's overwhelmingly reasonable to think "Hey, here is yet ANOTHER shitty thing." They're all worth caring about and calling a world leader out about.


Pretending otherwise is laughable, at best.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 13, 2018, 03:04:26 PM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.

You keep saying "There are so many more important things!" like all the other things don't matter at all. They all matter. Words and actions all matter on the world stage.


When you get elected President, everything you say matters in some way because you are the figurehead of the US. If you say something stupid, it makes America look stupid. If you say something racist, it makes America look racist. If you say something to unite it tends to unite. If you say something to divide, it tends to divide.

Pretending "They're behind closed doors in a 'professional setting' so this is stuff that should be a secret!" is ridiculous. In what way should immigration reform be a secret?

Did you consider what you were saying at all or did you just get mad and type out random shit?

This isn't nuclear protocols or escorting a world leader from the airport to a military base where we're bombing somebody. This is stuff that most definitely belongs in the public eye and since the President is OUR EMPLOYEE, it's odd you want immigration reform kept secret in the first place. There is no national security justification involved here.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 14, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?_r=0&mtrref=www.advocate.com&referer=

Apparently even before this he commented that Haitians all have AIDS.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 14, 2018, 01:17:40 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?_r=0&mtrref=www.advocate.com&referer=

Apparently even before this he commented that Haitians all have AIDS.

Everybody got AIDS and shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 14, 2018, 01:58:35 AM
Say what you will but Trump is really reaching his base...and the gallows they build.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/368934-far-right-group-built-gallows-tried-to-arrest-london-mayor-over
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 14, 2018, 02:09:55 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.

I think you need a new scale.  https://www.google.com/search?q=what+other+countries+think+of+Trumps+comments&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab  The reaction by the rest of the World very much says otherwise. 

But, neo-nazis are glad to see he's on the same page as them.  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-neo-nazis-white-supremacists-celebrate-more-or-less-same-page-racist-a8157796.html

These guys are in total disagreement with you.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577599691/racist-and-shameful-how-other-countries-are-responding-to-trumps-slur


And Norway says Nah. Get a new president though and it might happen. 
http://www.dw.com/en/norwegians-decline-president-donald-trumps-offer-to-move-to-us/a-42129986

And Der Spiegel is pretty much right on the nail with this cover regarding Trump. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-age-of-fire-and-fury-latest-der-spiegel-trump-cover-explained-a-1187633.html

I think it's important that we have a competent diplomatic leader who knows better.  And it's quiet relevant as it's very much a racist statement. He's focused on trying to keep Mexicans and Muslims out of the country. And despite the condition of Haiti The US has actually has a role in keeping it poor. 

Here's some things to check out.

http://faculty.webster.edu/corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

http://www.newsweek.com/reasons-behind-haitis-poverty-70801

http://www.nathanielturner.com/howusimpoverishedhaiti.htm

https://fee.org/articles/how-us-crop-dumping-keeps-haiti-poor-and-dependent/

And regardless of where he's at he shouldn't have said it at all.  Especially, when the US has had a large role in fucking over that country as we've done for other countries.  Trump recently asked a Korean female what she is.  Then said why don't we have her talk to the Koreans.  Just on the merit of her being Korean. 



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 14, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
You're skipping over the sexist part of that exchange. She is an analyst and Trump said she should be an negotiator because she's pretty.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 15, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368945-trump-rips-the-media-i-never-said-i-have-a-good-relationship-with-kim

Stupid fake news and their real evidence. :)

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on January 16, 2018, 05:37:38 AM
I just enjoy the fact that Trump's personal lawyer paying off a pornstar (to keep her quiet about an alleged encounter in 2006) just before the election is like, the 3rd biggest story of the week.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 16, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
I just enjoy the fact that Trump's personal lawyer paying off a pornstar (to keep her quiet about an alleged encounter in 2006) just before the election is like, the 3rd biggest story of the week.

And forgottne now

The only good thing,  is maybe will stop giving a shit about sex stuff. At least the one that consensual

But sadly think this may be a trump only passed. Where they just let it slide becuase "Shit its trump...got bigger fish with him to worry about?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 16, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
Yeah personally don't care that that's getting buried. That's some personal issues him and his wife need to deal with.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 16, 2018, 08:52:39 PM
Although that said.

if Obama had an affair with Cherokee D Ass or something it be 24/7 news


so Hopefully thats the news norm. If someone other then trump gets into a similar sex scandal it handle with just as little fair fair
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 17, 2018, 02:42:52 AM
Yeah personally don't care that that's getting buried. That's some personal issues him and his wife need to deal with.

You mean how she should divorce him?

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369275-dems-flip-wisconsin-state-senate-seat

I'm starting to think think people who normally stay home have decided "enough of this crap."

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
So he threw Acosta out of a press conference because he didn't like the question he asked. Trump is the white house equivalent of a power hungry MB mod.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 03:34:51 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/porn-star-detailed-alleged-affair-with-trump-in-2011-interview/

Quote
She also recalls Trump comparing her to his daughter, Ivanka.

“He told me once that I was someone to be reckoned with, beautiful and smart just like his daughter,” Daniels said.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 17, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/porn-star-detailed-alleged-affair-with-trump-in-2011-interview/

Quote
She also recalls Trump comparing her to his daughter, Ivanka.

“He told me once that I was someone to be reckoned with, beautiful and smart just like his daughter,” Daniels said.

Just keeps getting creepier.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
We can all agree that he wants to fuck his daughter right? Like we can debate if he's racist or xenophobic or whatever but him fucking his daughter, we are all on the same page there?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 17, 2018, 06:16:08 PM
We can all agree that he wants to fuck his daughter right? Like we can debate if he's racist or xenophobic or whatever but him fucking his daughter, we are all on the same page there?

Yeah, at this point, there's no longer any need for speculation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 03:53:23 AM
Hey, just check out the Republican convention, he felt up his daughter's ass. Or maybe that was an accident and he misjudged hand placement because apparently he grew and inch...in his seventies. :)



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 03:55:55 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/trump-fake-news-awards-345482

It's what we all waited for. Glad he took time out of his busy schedule of not doing his damn job to half ass something.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 18, 2018, 05:50:43 AM
Hey, just check out the Republican convention, he felt up his daughter's ass. Or maybe that was an accident and he misjudged hand placement because apparently he grew and inch...in his seventies. :)

We've all done the accidental ass touch and have had it done to us but with Trump and Ivanka... well, it's suspect.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
Eh, I never minded. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/369654-steele-dossier-firm-suspected-trump-russia-money-laundering

Yeah, I kinda figured that one.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2018, 01:36:46 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/370076-trump-known-to-use-indian-accent-to-imitate-indias-prime-minister

At least he's racist towards everyone.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 30, 2018, 02:30:51 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371271-trump-told-mccabe-to-ask-his-wife-how-it-felt-to-be-a-loser-report

Such a classy human being.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371333-state-dept-tells-congress-no-additional-russia-sanctions-necessary-at

And to be fair, he is going to need Russia's help come the next presidential election.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/371280-house-intel-votes-to-make-nunes-memo-public

And thus the Republican Party finally made the full heel turn. Seriously, you're going to release a memo that you won't let the Justice department look through--hell David "bitchcakes" Nunes hasn't even bothered to read it...and you're not going to let the Dems rebuttal.

Seriously, to all the Republicans out there, I don't have a problem with your party. I believe that we need to have contrasting views and that some issues you are right on--but look at who you have elected. It's like you've elected multiple Lex Luthors--I'm talking Dark Metal DC Universe style!! Doesn't there come a point where you look at these people and go "damn WTF happened? Let's start over?"

Are the Dems perfect, no. They're dumb and pathetic--but at least the majority of them have some sort of moral compass to them!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on January 30, 2018, 03:31:02 AM
If the memo is what it seems to be.. Lmaooo.. Stop pretending you have a moral high ground here. That's over.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2018, 01:14:03 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 01, 2018, 01:34:12 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 01, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit

Hmmm...

Quote
Jack Langer, the spokesman for Nunes, said in a statement that Schiff's letter amounted to another "strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo."

"In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," Langer said.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 01, 2018, 10:41:22 AM
Yeah, this is desperate and pathetic. They are TERRIFIED. And that's a great sign. Letters is likely right here.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 01, 2018, 12:52:54 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit

Hmmm...

Quote
Jack Langer, the spokesman for Nunes, said in a statement that Schiff's letter amounted to another "strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo."

"In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," Langer said.


Well one thing that would clear it up, is to release the original memo with it,  Grammer mistake and all

Looks supsicious as hell namely coming from nunes who pulled this shit before

Replace spokesperson for nunes says, with spokeperson Debbie Schultz,  or Donna Brazile, or Obama..or any other person..and see how much grain of salt that statement would be taken with. Be enough salt to give your heart issues


It also telling Dems ask  "Well lets us release our memo then" and that shit was voted down by the republicans
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 01, 2018, 04:10:13 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 01, 2018, 05:01:29 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.

This almost certainly WILL blow up in the Dems face, utterly destroying their narrative to excuse their inherent corruption as the reason they lost, and will embolden Trump, maybe even guaranteeing him reelection. The Russia narrative is a red herring and it's laughable that people are falling for it. America does not give a shit about 'Democracy" "fair elections" and election tampering. Never has.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 01, 2018, 05:32:53 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.

This almost certainly WILL blow up in the Dems face, utterly destroying their narrative to excuse their inherent corruption as the reason they lost, and will embolden Trump, maybe even guaranteeing him reelection. The Russia narrative is a red herring and it's laughable that people are falling for it. America does not give a shit about 'Democracy" "fair elections" and election tampering. Never has.
What will blow up in their faces, specifically?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on February 02, 2018, 12:28:24 AM
It will clearly blow up in their faces just like those reveals about that pro-Hillary FBI agent Mueller had on his team showing their clear bias.

...

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/958816979103764480
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 02, 2018, 12:31:47 AM
I've lost track whether the FBI was supposedly for Hilary or for Trump.  It seems it changes every few weeks.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2018, 02:30:54 AM
I'm pretty sure they're anti Trump now. :)

Yeah, I'm really sweating the memo the White House wrote for Nunes. :)

And don't think Trump has forgotten about poor people...and how much he hates them.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371895-justice-dept-sidelines-office-dedicated-to-expanding-legal-aid-to

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:51:42 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:53:24 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 02:28:46 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 02:31:35 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.

So the Steele memo is true, then. That's your argument. Don't even pretend to run away from that
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 02:44:23 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937)
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.

So the Steele memo is true, then. That's your argument. Don't even pretend to run away from that
First: Steele wrote a dossier. Not a memo. They're entirely different types of aggregated information. Dossiers are longer and much more in depth.

Second: YOU are the one asserting the memo is 100% false.

Third: the Nunes memo specifically asserts Steele had proved reliable in the past, they just don't think what he provided this time was true. Why? Because he doesn't like the individual the dossier was about(Donald Trump). This is a critically stupid foundation to build on when you try and discredit something from an individual you are actively admitting is reliable IN THE SAME DOCUMENT. Writing a dossier requires information. It does not require objectivity.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 02, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
Isn’t the problem with Steele’s dossier that:

-it has not been corroborated by any other sources?
-it was paid for by the DNC?
-it was used as the justification to obtain the warrant to spy on a member of Trump’s campaign?
-the court issuing the warrant was not made aware that the dossier was the only reason the warrant was being sought?

These aren’t rhetorical questions, I’m legitimately asking. It seems like each media outlet has a diffferent spin on things.

Trump clearly has made poor choices in picking people to work for him, and there may be legitimate reasons why they were being watched. But the FBI withholding the source of their suspicions from the court shows that maybe they didn’t think they’d get their warrant if they were more forthcoming. It may have been sheer laziness on their part. There’s no evidence someone like Obama or Clinton ordered them to do anything.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 02, 2018, 04:16:16 PM
apprent the steele dossier wasnt the only thing that got them a warrant

it just the gop memo written by apparently the white house may of left that out

remember these trump picks saying this

the issue is this may start a prescident of leaking these memos without going through the normal process. and if this going to be the prescident stepping forwards

because dems will want to leak theres. and that back and fourth will be bad.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Isn’t the problem with Steele’s dossier that:

-it has not been corroborated by any other sources?
The reason the dossier was taken seriously in the first place was because it corroborated intelligence that would most likely not have been shared with Steele. Somebody with a reputation of reliability comes up to you and says starts telling you shit you already had some supporting evidence for, you are likely to listen. Like virtually every dossier around, not all of it is accurate. Some extrapolations are made when dossiers are created because they are often built off interviews, recordings you only have one side of, out of context conversations, photographs, rumors, etc.

When Donald Trump's own children, the ones he claims are running his entire "multi-billion-dollar" corporate empire right now, repeatedly assert their family and holdings have specific financial and personal ties to Russia over the course of several years, you have to consider the following about their connections to Russia:
Were they lying then to try and impress everyone? Possibly.
Were they telling the truth then to try and impress everyone? Probably.

Are they lying now about connections to Russia? Probably.
Are they telling the truth now about connections to Russia? Possibly.


-it was paid for by the DNC?
FusionGPS was contracted in February 2015 by a Republican website called Washington Free Beacon, financed by a GOP megadonor/superdonor Paul Singer. After Trump wound up beating the establishment candidates, they were going to drop the research. In April 2016, the DNC and Clinton campaign continued funding the research.

Unethical, certainly. Does that inherently make any of it untrue? I think doubting is fair, but asserting it's untrue simply because the DNC kept the ball rolling is patently ridiculous. Dossiers are aggregated information. You are going to aggregate what is being sought.

SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats), personal connections, financial connections, etc. are all fair game when you are building a dossier. There is bias in every dossier ever written. Just because the author of this one disliked Trump it's automatically false? While in the same memo they're saying Steele has a proven history of reliable information?

One of Steele's informants, a high-rank Russian general, was killed. It is speculated (and asserted specifically to Congress by FusionGPS) he was killed for contributing to the dossier.

Oddly, the same people jumping on board with every conspiracy theory around are claiming THIS death is a coincidence, but every other death is somehow the doings of a Globalist mastermind somewhere.


-it was used as the justification to obtain the warrant to spy on a member of Trump’s campaign?
It was used as additional justification to spy on a guy they were already watching for a couple years.


-the court issuing the warrant was not made aware that the dossier was the only reason the warrant was being sought?
He was already being watched. The dossier was used as additional support for the spying.



These aren’t rhetorical questions, I’m legitimately asking. It seems like each media outlet has a diffferent spin on things.
I think they're fair questions and agree we're getting all kinds of stories. Anybody on any side pretending this is an all-or-nothing situation is just engaging in partisan nonsense. Not everything Trump (or his associates/kids) has done was out of malice, stupidity, etc.


Trump clearly has made poor choices in picking people to work for him, and there may be legitimate reasons why they were being watched. But the FBI withholding the source of their suspicions from the court shows that maybe they didn’t think they’d get their warrant if they were more forthcoming. It may have been sheer laziness on their part. There’s no evidence someone like Obama or Clinton ordered them to do anything.
The Nunes memo only includes some information. They cherrypicked a lot of documents. That's what the Democrat memo is/was asserting. It says Nunes' memo looked for specific info to fit an agenda and excluded the rest of the intelligence other members of the SAME INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE saw to build his case against the Russia investigation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 02, 2018, 04:58:32 PM
The Nune's Memo is basically hearing just the defense attorney and never getting to hear the  prosecutor or seeing the evidence yourself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 02, 2018, 11:48:34 PM
Apparently he didn't read the FISA applications himself either.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2018, 08:06:30 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/372190-former-trump-adviser-called-himself-adviser-to-kremlin-in-2013

Yep.

And just because I hate this sack of human garbage.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372189-paul-ryan-deletes-tweet-touting-150-pay-hike-after-backlash
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
People like to make fun of Jeb and "Please clap."

Today at one of his rallies, Trump literally said if you don't clap for him it should be treason.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 05, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
People like to make fun of Jeb and "Please clap."

Today at one of his rallies, Trump literally said if you don't clap for him it should be treason.

Yes, yes he did.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 06:04:08 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason or anti-Americanism to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 05, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.

There's a distinct difference between claiming that a politician committed actual treasonous acts and trying to make not clapping into an actual treasonous act.

Don't "same thing, both sides" this.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 06:07:39 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason or anti-Americanism to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.
That's not even CLOSE to accurate.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 05, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 05, 2018, 06:51:07 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 06:52:52 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Are you in the right thread?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 05, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
I don't think he's in the right thread.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Agreed. At this point it would probably take a war to get people to come together, but I'm not sure we can afford another one.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 05, 2018, 07:35:41 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

And it aint like people didnt give him shit.  trump for one did, with the whole he an illegal immigrant


here the thing. sure you can find some left wing bloggers saying shit like that or maybe..MAYBE a few high pundints


But here the thing people forgetting. Trump is the PRESIDENT!!!!.  He not some dude talking shit at a bar, or commenting on youtube.  If a fellow herochat says shit like that, I dont care.  If some comedian..or reddit guy by the name of Hillaryhasasmellcunt4....I dont care. Hell even Ann coulter of the world..only give so much of a shit. That he job to talk shit. Or people on the left like Bill mhare and Jezebell


but Trump the president. What he says matters. Dont get this idiot standard where holding him by. He held to zero standard.

You cant be threating to take people media licence
Calling people who dont praise you traitors
Or falsely claiming our Allies spying on us
Or tweating threatening to world leaders


if your the god damm president
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

I wasn't referring to Obama, but to things like this:

https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456 (https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html)

http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/ (http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/)

It doesn't justify Trump's comments.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

I wasn't referring to Obama, but to things like this:

https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456 (https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html)

http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/ (http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/)

It doesn't justify Trump's comments.
Those are nowhere near the same thing.

They're citing specific acts that would be considered treasonous if Obama and his family did them.

Trump is actually saying with his own mouth if you don't clap for him, it should be treason.

You said something like this in another thread, too. Maybe it was this thread a few pages back. They're false equivalencies.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 05, 2018, 07:58:30 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Are you in the right thread?

Nope.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 05, 2018, 08:04:36 PM
if they use stolen info and wrre colluding with s foreien nation who goal to manipulate our election then that

a lot different then not clapping or being mean to the president

that why calling obama an illegal immigrant a dick move but most dont see it as treason

no said screamibg you lie is treason

and if you dont think the stuff u link to were treason replace obama or hillary in trump place

hell that to easy white house would be burn to the groud

instead replace trump with any normal politician. it be considered as bad or worse because there not held to as low a standard
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/372468-drop-in-dow-futures-point-to-stock-opening-with-1000-point-drop

I liked it when he was giving a speech and they showed the Dow dropping.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 11, 2018, 01:38:24 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/27459857_10156006437181838_1545394398169577008_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=0c24fa6c0f796fe1304004f05ec63fec&oe=5AD98086)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 11, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Just out of curiosity, have any of the accusations that Trump collaborated with the Russians to win the election - not benefitted from their propaganda, but collaborated - been proven yet?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 11, 2018, 11:59:30 AM
well no smoking gun but some decent evedincr like thosr emails and secret meetings

if he didnt think his people did
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 11, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/09/trump-rob-porter-abuse-allegations-401367

Also he won't release the Dem memo because he say sit has classified info even though the FBI sent out a statement saying the Nunes memo shouldn't be out since it did have classified information...and Trump didn't even read the memo before he decided to release it.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/373280-survey-analysts-expect-13-percent-of-business-tax-cut-savings-to-go-to-workers

Well, that is better than what I thought.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 05, 2018, 03:54:37 AM
Okay, it's been awhile and...let's be honest, every day this nutsack is going to do something horrible. Like my tax returns. Up yours Trump.

Anyway, this week he'll be doing tariff's on steel and aluminum. Which nearly everyone who doesn't hold a can of soup like a jackass agrees will hurt the economy. And by hurt I mean, hitting it with your car, and then backing over it a few times.

Hey, gun nuts, remember when you were worried about someone taking your guns? Trump just admitted he wants to and take away your due process.

Hope Hicks has left the administration because Trump got made at her for admitting she's told white lies. So basically, if you thought Trump was insane before, watch out. His handler is gone.

And to be fair, Trump isn't the only person who sucks.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/376541-republicans-waiting-out-trump-on-gun-control

Yep, let's wait until Trump's attention is lost...and rinse and repeate when the next mass shotting happens. Seriously, doesn't there come a point where even a piece of human garbage like McConnel goes "wow, people are dying. That's bad."

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on March 06, 2018, 04:44:36 AM
Yep, let's wait until Trump's attention is lost...and rinse and repeate when the next mass shotting happens. Seriously, doesn't there come a point where even a piece of human garbage like McConnel goes "wow, people are dying. That's bad."

When people are dying, it's time for thoughts and prayers and to stop politicizing tragedy.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on March 12, 2018, 09:14:55 PM
It's like nothing can be left untouched by his and his supporters filth and depravity. Meanwhile China of all places has banned ivory.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-elephants-africa-trump-trophy-20180307-story.html

Quote
Trump’s cave to elephant and lion hunters


Well, some people do want to shoot elephants, for reasons that are all but impossible to fathom. Their meat doesn’t appeal to Western palates; they aren’t so abundant that their numbers must be reduced; and taking part in a guided hunt costs tens of thousands of dollars. But the Trump administration, after some delay, has sided with the shooters against the prey.

Elephants are unusually intelligent creatures with rich social lives and elaborate means of communication. They are also under unending siege. In the past three decades, the number in Africa has plummeted by two-thirds, leaving just 400,000. About 20,000 are killed each year for their tusks.

Some African governments allow them to be taken by trophy hunters. One of those sportsmen is Donald Trump Jr., who in 2012 was photographed holding the bloody tail of a slain elephant.

Under President Barack Obama, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service tried to discourage this macabre pastime by outlawing imports of elephant trophies from specified countries. African elephants are listed as “threatened” under the Endangered Species Act, and the law says their body parts may be brought in only if “the killing of the trophy animal will enhance the survival of the species.”

In Zambia and Zimbabwe, the agency was not convinced that the governments’ policies served the purpose of conserving elephants. So Americans who wanted to shoot an elephant so they could bring back its head to hang on the wall were out of luck.

Last year, the agency announced it would lift the ban. But the decision sparked furious criticism, even from some conservative commentators — and prompted President Donald Trump to block it temporarily.

The president tweeted that he would be “very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants or any other animal.”

Now, however, his administration has quietly given its sanction to the practice — not just for elephants but also for lions. Instead of forbidding trophies from Zambia and Zimbabwe, the FWS said it would grant permits on a case-by-case basis, under criteria it has yet to state.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on March 12, 2018, 09:21:07 PM
Farm animals and the people that use their products are not getting off either

http://www.newsweek.com/animal-welfare-factory-farms-usda-organic-841753

Quote
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ELIMINATES ANIMAL WELFARE RULE

The Trump administration officially withdrew an Obama-era rule that would set higher standards for the treatment of animals whose meat could be sold as organic.

The rule, created under the United States Department of Agriculture, would require poultry to be housed in spaces large enough to move freely and fully stretch their wings. Livestock would be required to have some access to outdoor space year round.

The USDA officially overturned the rule Monday, after delaying its implementation three times. It was first created in 2016 and built on seven years of deliberation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on March 12, 2018, 10:55:00 PM
man he really attacking obama era rules

it as if the guy told a Joke about him and Trump to much of a maniac to get over it

But that would be crazy

wouldnt it?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on March 13, 2018, 12:33:23 AM
man he really attacking obama era rules

it as if the guy told a Joke about him and Trump to much of a maniac to get over it

But that would be crazy

wouldnt it?

He never got over the Nfl not letting him get a team & Rosie O'Donnell roasting his ass.  He's the king of butt-hurt.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 13, 2018, 02:22:17 AM
https://www.politico.com/video/2018/03/12/today-in-trumpworld-betsy-devos-stumbles-on-education-questions-065259?lo=ap_b1

Sad thing is, that's one of her better showings. :)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/12/house-panel-russia-investigation-trump-457560

Sure all the intelligence agencies say Russia helped Trump, Russia met with Don Jr, Trump actually asked for their help multiple times during his campaign rallies...but I'm sure Nunes has a blank sheet of paper somewhere he can pretend their is evidence that Russia didn't. It's nice to know the legacy of Benedict Arnold is being honored today.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 13, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
Trump actually did something I 100% back. Him blocking Singapore company Broadcom from pulling a hostile takeover of Qualcomm is absolutely in the best interest of the US and American people.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 13, 2018, 05:20:16 PM
Trump actually did something I 100% back. Him blocking Singapore company Broadcom from pulling a hostile takeover of Qualcomm is absolutely in the best interest of the US and American people.
I'll be genuinely surprised if he doesn't "re-authorize" the deal in coming weeks and take credit for them building a factory over here or something because Qualcomm doesn't manufacture in-house. They outsource an overwhelming amount of their supply chain and rely on suppliers with excellent core competencies. Only specific tasks are performed internally.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 13, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
If he does then he fucked up the whole point. An American company controlling the 5G standard has a much bigger benefit overall then more factories.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 13, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
If he does then he fucked up the whole point. An American company controlling the 5G standard has a much bigger benefit overall then more factories.

You know this is the "worst president ever" thread, right? This is the guy that wants our carriers returning to STEAM power instead of electromagnetics for launching. He has NO CLUE how technology works and is proud of that fact.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 13, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TIVPXCQ.png)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on March 13, 2018, 10:51:41 PM
If Trump actually gets a "Space Force" started, he'll be in the running for Best POTUS.

One step closer to Gundam.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 14, 2018, 03:42:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pa1oNXX.png)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on March 15, 2018, 03:13:16 AM
wasnt there susposed to be a suicide pact if tilerson was fired. Where a few people would quit. Guess thats done
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on March 15, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^

Get ready for the electorate to become deflated again when they realize that many mainstream Dems only stand for being against Trump, but not with the average person.

Medicare for All? 
Free College / Addressing student debt?
Ending the ridiculous wars and empire building?
Update America's grade D sub-first world infrastructure?
A higher minimum wage / living wage?
Addressing climate change?

Fuck all that shit! Lets help McConnell and Ryan deregulate banks!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 16, 2018, 12:38:18 AM
Trump fired McMaster just after he criticized Russia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 16, 2018, 03:54:35 PM
Oh I guess he actually hasn't been fired yet but its possible he might be really soon.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 17, 2018, 01:16:01 AM
Well, the thing is Rex Tillerson is the worst secretary, probably ever.

Also, just in McCabe got nearly two days before he could earn his pension. But y'know Trump wouldn't be a total prick and revel in someone else's misfortune he probably orchestrated...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378903-trump-takes-victory-lap-on-mccabe-firing-a-great-day-for-democracy

Yeah. Seriously, he does know this could be a little something called "evidence", right?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 19, 2018, 03:18:20 AM
Hm, Trump has been going on twitter and doing the usual lies. Does anyone know if he mentioned all the bombings that are going on in Texas lately?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on March 20, 2018, 12:50:28 AM
Hm, Trump has been going on twitter and doing the usual lies. Does anyone know if he mentioned all the bombings that are going on in Texas lately?

I don't think he has from what I've seen.  Seems to be targeting well to do African-Americans.  The one that was sent to a Hispanics was delivered to the wrong place I saw them say. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 22, 2018, 10:18:49 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/379683-trump-fires-back-at-crazy-joe-biden-he-would-go-down-fast-and-hard

Anyone here think Trump can take Biden?

And
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 22, 2018, 02:01:17 PM
Donald Trump definitely could not take Joe Biden. He MIGHT be able to take down Mitch McConnell, supposing Mitch doesn't engage him with that toad style made famous in Kung Fu Hustle.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 22, 2018, 08:42:40 PM
McMaster has resigned. Pro Iraq invasion/war in general John Bolton is in.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 22, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
Trump always saw what he called "my generals" as an accessory. If he loses Mattis, he will most likely lose 75% of his active duty and war veteran military support.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 23, 2018, 02:31:48 AM
Well, he put tariffs on China and now they're hitting back and the stocks plunged over seven hundred points.

Looks like Glucifer has been confirmed as Russian so that means Roger Stone was in contact with The Russians. Um, isn't that colluding? Seriously, I'm not Mueller but I'm pretty sure most rational people can put the dots together on this one. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Regar on March 23, 2018, 03:22:39 PM
Trump is a great President.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 23, 2018, 03:38:31 PM
Nah
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on March 23, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
Trump is a great President.
He couldn't even be a great leader of his own companies. He wasn't kidding when he said he was going to run the US like one of his companies. You have to give him that.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 24, 2018, 01:24:15 AM
Well, he got rolled on the spending bill. I mean, wow, Obama couldn't have gotten anything that good. Seriously, when Chuck and Nancy roll you like that--you have failed big time.

And I guess he's decided to take on out on the trans gender people as they can't serve now.

Oh and it looks like the Trump campaign encouraged puopulatoulatias (I think that's how you spell his name) to go ahead with the foreign contacts.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on March 26, 2018, 02:42:32 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380226-army-veteran-deported-to-mexico

Take that, war hero! Don't worry, you won't be lonely as a bunch of Dreamers will be joining you.

Seriously, remember when ICE was seen in a positive light? Where they actually went after drug dealers and pretty much the worse people instead--well, EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Regar on March 27, 2018, 09:05:12 AM
And I guess he's decided to take on out on the trans gender people as they can't serve now.

Well of course not .......they are crazy people
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 01, 2018, 01:50:12 AM
https://411mania.com/movies/donald-trump-reportedly-spent-27000-tax-payer-money-tracking-media-stories-stormy-daniels-sued/

All you do is watch TV!!! Heck, you hire people off of TV--why are you spending so much money.

Also, he's going after Amazon...again.

Apparently a majority of people are not seeing a pay increase after Trump's tax plan was in effect--no kiddin'. The guy who always lies to you lied to  you? All the economic experts and business people saying it wouldn't help you--were right?? WOW.

He recently congratulated Rosanne on her ratings. Rosanne then went on twitter to promote an insane conspiracy theory to repay him. Seriously, I don't get Roseanne. I never found her funny or a good actress. And I live in the south. And I like the majority of Last Man Standing! (well, not seasons two and three...lazy ass seasons).
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 02, 2018, 02:15:45 PM
And the attack on the first amendment continues. Oh and the usual suspects of the DOJ, Amazon, and Mexico.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/02/trump-tweets-sinclair-is-far-superior-to-cnn-and-even-more-fake-nbc.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/02/trump-twitter-criticism-targets-494990

And if anyone wonders, today the Dow is down over 650 points and most agree it's because of Trump's attack on Amazon and the China tariffs.

Okay may that down 750 by the time I wrote this. Cripes.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on April 02, 2018, 05:00:33 PM
A citizen, including the President, criticizing mainstream media outlets is not an attack on the First Amendment. In fact, it is protected by the First Amendment.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 02, 2018, 05:32:24 PM
This is a little deeper than just criticism. Its a full on smear campaign on the ones he doesn't like and endorsement and law changes for the ones that support him. He's even trying to fuck with Amazon only because he doesn't like the Washington Post.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 03, 2018, 01:29:35 AM
Don't forget Sinclair has ties to the Trump campaign.

And something else about Easter I forgot--shut the hell up, Trump and let the kids just have fun looking for eggs!! And that Easter Bunny...that is the perfect facial expression for that speech he gave to the kids.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on April 03, 2018, 12:40:37 PM
A citizen, including the President, criticizing mainstream media outlets is not an attack on the First Amendment. In fact, it is protected by the First Amendment.

The POTUS isn't a private citizen. The same rules don't apply to that position as it does to other citizens. His words carry far more weight/consequences.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on April 03, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
This is a little deeper than just criticism. Its a full on smear campaign on the ones he doesn't like and endorsement and law changes for the ones that support him. He's even trying to fuck with Amazon only because he doesn't like the Washington Post.

Not to mention Sinclair about the own a shit load of media outlets. Some would say monopolizing them. So this is pretty bad.  reather or not they have the right to pull this crap it still fucked up
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 03, 2018, 04:12:44 PM
Continually targeting media as 'fake news' is definitely an attack on the Media. 
If anything anyone what he says is fake news going back as far as the Central Park incident, he spent
6 years broadcasting the fake news of Obama's birth certificate, and his claim about Amazon not paying as much as they should in taxes and to the post office is pure bullshit. 

And then there's this also.


Richard W. Painter
‏ @RWPUSA

If you lost money today trading in Amazon stock or any other security, and you know of anyone who knowingly or recklessly made a false public statement about that company or its stock, causing your losses, you should contact a securities lawyer today.


https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/980873317317038080


And I could have sworn their was something regarding Federal Employees attacking or showing favoritism or speaking out against companies. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 06, 2018, 05:44:09 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/381925-trump-asked-cia-official-why-drone-strike-didnt-also-kill-targets

Trump couldn't care less about civilian casualties.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on April 07, 2018, 11:00:57 AM
The way Trump is going about trade has the potential to be the worst thing for the average American yet in the medium term.

Somehow, he either doesn't realize, or doesn't care, that the way the trade structure is going is allowing the U.S. to live above its means. "Here, have some fantasy dollars while we get real stuff in exchange" is an amazing deal. Trump is aiming to blow that up to keep more of the fantasy dollars.

So, the end result will be that a lot of consumer products will get more expensive, which will make living conditions less tolerable for the poor and the middle class. Meanwhile, the Chinese will be squeezing the exports that are crucial to his own constituency in particular.

On the current course, he'll be losing the trade war while making life worse for Americans and making China great again.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on April 07, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
wasnt one of the few good things about the TPP, is they had controls on china  bit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 07, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
The way Trump is going about trade has the potential to be the worst thing for the average American yet in the medium term.

Somehow, he either doesn't realize, or doesn't care, that the way the trade structure is going is allowing the U.S. to live above its means. "Here, have some fantasy dollars while we get real stuff in exchange" is an amazing deal. Trump is aiming to blow that up to keep more of the fantasy dollars.

So, the end result will be that a lot of consumer products will get more expensive, which will make living conditions less tolerable for the poor and the middle class. Meanwhile, the Chinese will be squeezing the exports that are crucial to his own constituency in particular.

On the current course, he'll be losing the trade war while making life worse for Americans and making China great again.
He already conclusively proved he doesn't understand the enormous value we get by countries allowing us to have bases on their soil.

He's trying to turn it into some shitty Brooklyn protection racket, shaking them down for money when the strategic value of these locations is way too big to walk away from.


Trump's constant failure in his personal and professional life makes even more sense than it did over the past 30 years when everybody could see it happening live.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 08, 2018, 08:10:31 AM
So...Trump's just going to give Russia Syria?

And, after this week, I can see why no one wants to be Trump's lawyer. "I didn't know about the payment." Sheesh.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on April 08, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
if Russia has the means and desire to end the Syrian civil war, we should let them. Our goals in Syria should be:

1. No deployment of American troops
2. Regional stability
3. Regional stability
4. Regional stability

The Assad regime is likely the best bet for regional stability. That doesn’t make him a nice guy, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on April 08, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
Thing is what area would Russia want next. And will it be a nato Ally. Just taken it over could cause instability to the entire regions
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 11, 2018, 09:38:41 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984020136255541248?s=19

Did Trump just admit to obstruction?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on April 11, 2018, 12:20:09 PM
Thing is what area would Russia want next. And will it be a nato Ally. Just taken it over could cause instability to the entire regions

Who is America to criticize Russia? NATO expansion already violates the agreement that ended the USSR. America is a terrorist supporting invading power in Syria.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 11, 2018, 02:24:00 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984020136255541248?s=19

Did Trump just admit to obstruction?

Stable Genius.  And if he means by firing or asking to end the investigation.  Which, would and could be seen as obstruction.  Absolutely!  But, lets see them bring up Hillary's e mail's instead as a deflection tactic for the nth time.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 11, 2018, 06:48:13 PM
Love how he tweeted what he was going to do militarily. SMART.

And he's probably going to fire Mueller. You have The Republicans going "It's suicide." Bull. They don't care. Not one damn bit. Not about the people or what's best for the country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 11, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprise if he did that on purpose to give Assad and Putin time to GTFO. So he can have his show of force without an actual show of force. Just like last time.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 12, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
Wouldn't that make him a traitor?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 13, 2018, 01:28:16 AM
Wouldn't that make him a traitor?

You would think.  But, unfortunately they didn't even hit Geraldo with treason when he told troop movements on air while he was attached to troops.  They did send his simple ass back though.

And something should happen to Trump for potentially endangering troops or telegraphing potential plans.  China stated earlier they'd back Russia. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 13, 2018, 02:41:40 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/382909-ex-doorman-i-wasnt-allowed-to-criticize-trumps-housekeeper-because

Yep. He pulled an Arnold. Maybe.

And he also plans on pardoning Scooter Libby. Take that FBI!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on April 13, 2018, 11:03:05 PM
At this rate, I just hope he isn't the last president.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 14, 2018, 05:23:55 AM
Yeah, I remember when I used to think "can't do worse than Dubya."


http://thehill.com/homenews/news/383123-mueller-can-prove-cohen-made-secret-trip-to-prague-before-the-election-report?__twitter_impression=true

Don't worry, Cohen. You may have lied to the FBI--but Trump will pardon you. So how many times does the dossier have to be proven correct before we finally admit Trump had prostitutes pee on him?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 21, 2018, 06:57:19 PM
Hm, attending the funeral of First Lady Barbara Bush...or playing golf.  Decisions, decisions--GOLF.  :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on April 21, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
Hm, attending the funeral of First Lady Barbara Bush...or playing golf.  Decisions, decisions--GOLF.  :)

To be fair, he's not the first.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/21/president-trump-isnt-barbara-bushs-funeral-and-thats-not-unusual/539077002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/21/president-trump-isnt-barbara-bushs-funeral-and-thats-not-unusual/539077002/)

"Trump's absence isn't unusual for a sitting president. The last president to attend a first lady's funeral was John F. Kennedy, who went to Eleanor Roosevelt's service in 1962.

Former president Barack Obama did not attend Nancy Reagan's funeral in 2016 or Betty Ford's in 2011, and Bill Clinton did not attend the funeral of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Clinton did speak at a graveside service for her at Arlington National Cemetery in 1994."
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 22, 2018, 01:40:11 AM
I know. Being president is hardwork. Most presidents have a lot on their plate. Unless you're the laziest president there has ever been who decided to go to his home in Florida, play golf, and watch the funeral on TV. Oh, wait. I forgot about him taking the time to go on twitter an attack whoever it was.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 27, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
And apparently he has time to go on thirty minute rants and call in Fox and Friends and significantly damage his legal cases.

And Ryan, before he goes back to the shadows like the little piss ant coward he is, has decided "eh, why not go after Catholics.?"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/385280-religious-tensions-flare-after-chaplains-ouster

Well, the Republicans have turned on everyone--I guess it's time the religious people got a dose of it. :)

HUD sleepy eyed doctor wants to raise the costs on low income family...possibly to buy more expensive furniture.

Macron--dude, that was cold what you did to Trump. Pretending your his friend and then just going off on everything he's about like that. He thought he had a friend, his own Balkie.

But in good news for Trump, North and South Korea seem to be on the road to peace--I'm pretty sure it's a trap but we'll see.

And in even greater news for Trump, A Dreamer got deported.

Also this.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/385156-lawyer-from-trump-tower-meeting-had-closer-ties-to-russia-than
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Regar on April 28, 2018, 09:00:48 AM
Former president Barack Obama did not attend Nancy Reagan's funeral in 2016 or Betty Ford's in 2011, and Bill Clinton did not attend the funeral of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Clinton did speak at a graveside service for her at Arlington National Cemetery in 1994."

Scumbag leftist will ignore this
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 28, 2018, 09:28:43 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/989650212380692480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F5256932%2Fdonald-trump-world-cup-2026-bid-mexico-canada%2F&tfw_site=TIME

He's now threatening other countries for the World Cup... What kind of freedom loving American gives a shit about the world cup?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 28, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
This kind of guy.

http://time.com/5258664/trump-paralympic-games-tough-watch/
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on April 28, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
This kind of guy.

http://time.com/5258664/trump-paralympic-games-tough-watch/

I took this as a clumsy way of saying “I don’t have the time to watch as much as I’d like”, but then again Carmine Lupertazzi Jr. was one of my favorite characters on the Sopranos, so clearly I’m amused by malapropism.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 30, 2018, 09:55:02 PM
Hm, so what do you guys think about Trump winning the Nobel Prize.

Me? I think South Korea's Moon deserves it because, y'know, doing all the hard work. That and--there is over 19 pages of horrible stuff and policies Trump has done. I mean...isn't Trump trying to bully other countries so that we can have some sort of sports event?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on April 30, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385530-trump-asks-african-nations-to-back-us-world-cup-bid-despite-fifa

There it is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 01, 2018, 04:26:08 PM
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2018, 11:47:05 AM
Gulianni is either and idiot or secretely hates Trump. On Hannity he says Trump did know about the payout. Then on Fox and friends he says it was to protect the campaign.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 03, 2018, 12:00:48 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/991773452888563712?s=19

Dan Rather with a quad kill
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on May 03, 2018, 12:17:53 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/991773452888563712?s=19

Dan Rather with a quad kill

..so more white liberal racism. Typical.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 03, 2018, 12:34:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/991773452888563712?s=19

Dan Rather with a quad kill

..so more white liberal racism. Typical.

What specifically did Dan Rather say that was racist?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on May 03, 2018, 12:44:26 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/991773452888563712?s=19

Dan Rather with a quad kill

..so more white liberal racism. Typical.

What specifically did Dan Rather say that was racist?
..other than pretending to have anything valid to say about Kanye's recent statements as a transparently racist liberal virtue signal? We dont need utterly disgraced embarassments like Rather outside of our community pretending to have anything to say about our own. If you're a so called ally, shut the fuck up about our business when it comes to salvaging your destroyed reputation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 03, 2018, 01:00:32 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/991773452888563712?s=19

Dan Rather with a quad kill

..so more white liberal racism. Typical.

What specifically did Dan Rather say that was racist?
..other than pretending to have anything valid to say about Kanye's recent statements as a transparently racist liberal virtue signal? We dont need utterly disgraced embarassments like Rather outside of our community pretending to have anything to say about our own. If you're a so called ally, shut the fuck up about our business when it comes to salvaging your destroyed reputation.
It sounds like you have a lot to say regarding Kanye's assertions about slavery. Do you want to start another thread? I think it would easily sidetrack this one.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on May 03, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/05/01/trumps-former-doctor-says-presidents-bodyguard-lawyer-raided-his-office-took-presidents-medical-file/569612002/


https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/harold-bornstein-donald-trump-health/index.html

I am starting to think this trump guy...not a straight shooter
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2018, 09:34:12 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-appointing-dr-oz-to-his-sport-fitness-and-nutrition-council/ar-AAwLvWu

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on May 05, 2018, 12:01:41 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-appointing-dr-oz-to-his-sport-fitness-and-nutrition-council/ar-AAwLvWu

Why does the President need a council on sport, fitness and nutrition?

EDIT: I agree Dr. Oz is a quack, and I would not be nominating him to any legitimate medical body. My point is that this council probably isn't a legitimate medical body.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2018, 12:42:51 PM
so basically a waste of tax payer money all the way around.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on May 05, 2018, 02:47:33 PM
so basically a waste of tax payer money all the way around.

Yes. Trump is (inadvertently) drawing attention to this through his poor candidate selections. He’s like Ron Swanson without the intent.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 06, 2018, 07:16:09 AM
Hey, and let's not forget everything with Rudy. Let's see Trump new about the payments about ten months ahead of time and Cohen had taken nearly 750,000 dollars in credit to handle scandals during the campaign.

Oh, and Trump and Isreal and their jackass leader trying to lie about Iran not keeping their end of the Nuclear deal.  Even with the "has" to "had" typo.

Wouldn't let the teacher of the year read her speech because she talked about all the migrant children she taught.

Oh, and this...

http://thehill.com/policy/international/386393-trump-aides-hired-israeli-private-intelligence-firm-to-dig-up-dirt-on


And...isn't amazing, thinking back to Obama at how little scandal there was? It's like Obama was a good person and hired other good people...who had talent or was skilled at their job. Weird. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on May 07, 2018, 11:03:57 AM
IT shows what ever you think of the goverment..being running goverment is a skill just like other Jobs. Learn skills. You have to know policy, you have to know the ins and outs of congress and Senate.  You have to have some understanding of ecconomics, trade, foreign affairs, and use diplmancy

Not only doesnt Trump knows that but he has no desire to. Which is why I never got the draw of a total outside with no experence. Even the left version of an outside bernie..is a dude who been in govermenent for decades

Nor can you get things done just on pissing off libtards, cuck, snowflake or whatever. You got to work with people
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 08, 2018, 12:58:01 AM
This kind of guy.

http://time.com/5258664/trump-paralympic-games-tough-watch/

I took this as a clumsy way of saying “I don’t have the time to watch as much as I’d like”, but then again Carmine Lupertazzi Jr. was one of my favorite characters on the Sopranos, so clearly I’m amused by malapropism.
The sacred and the propane

"You know it's common knowledge the guy's retarded?"
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on May 08, 2018, 08:58:30 AM
“I am reminded of Louis the Whatever's finance minister. The something. He built this Chateau... It even outshone Versales.”
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 11, 2018, 09:02:27 PM
So much to go on about. Trump praising Kim when the hostages came home--seriously WTF. And dude, Obama, never did anything like that. Shut the hell up, get out of the way, and let those people go home to their families!!

And for something new to talk about.

http://thehill.com/latino/387365-trump-close-to-extinguishing-tps-program-for-immigrants
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 11, 2018, 10:20:42 PM
So much to go on about. Trump praising Kim when the hostages came home--seriously WTF. And dude, Obama, never did anything like that. Shut the hell up, get out of the way, and let those people go home to their families!!

And for something new to talk about.

http://thehill.com/latino/387365-trump-close-to-extinguishing-tps-program-for-immigrants


Trump needs his recognition.  Anything, that'll stroke that who he's on it.  He'd fuck a porcupine if it'd get his name mentioned in the news.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 12, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
So much to go on about. Trump praising Kim when the hostages came home--seriously WTF. And dude, Obama, never did anything like that. Shut the hell up, get out of the way, and let those people go home to their families!!

And for something new to talk about.

http://thehill.com/latino/387365-trump-close-to-extinguishing-tps-program-for-immigrants
He's busy lying about the fact that 2 of those 3 were captured while HE was president.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 15, 2018, 04:48:16 PM
Trump is now trying to save a Chinese company, ZTE, that violated sanctions and was developing phones considered huge security risk. This is obviously unrelated to the fact China is going to loan 500 million to Trumps company to develop a project in Indonesia.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/yep-that-500-m-from-china-to-trump-project-looks-like-a-pretty-big-deal
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on May 15, 2018, 05:15:08 PM
If this guy wasnt a multie billonare before (which a good chance he wanst)

He will be when his presidency is over
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 15, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
He was almost definitely worth much less than a billion dollars.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 15, 2018, 05:48:12 PM
If this guy wasnt a multie billonare before (which a good chance he wanst)

He will be when his presidency is over

He's either going to cash our bigly or go to jail.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on May 15, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
If this guy wasnt a multie billonare before (which a good chance he wanst)

He will be when his presidency is over

He's either going to cash our bigly or go to jail.

As for the Jail thing, I dount it. Since the only way you can prosecute is Impeachment. And already the dems say they shouldnt talk about that and back out of fear it may energize the trump base. No talk of enegizing the Dems base.  Which misses the point...republicans always come on big in the mideterms..and at some point you got to get the left to come out


And it not like The Russia thing is the only crime Trump did. So even if people want to dimiss the russian thing out of fear of cause WORLD WAR 3...there crimes he kind of did in peopel face, with the conflcts of interest, breaking the emmoulments clause multiple times, and sorts of crooked shit

Only hope if trump done his crime so blatant..that it FORCES the dems to grow a spine

But dont know if they have the staying power. Because they already asking..how long can the dems push this case

Now the snide answer...is "Well how long did the right push bengazi" How long would they be pushing this if it was a Dem. Answer "To the END OF TIME!!"

But the best answer...well at least as long as watergate or till the case over
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 16, 2018, 03:18:12 AM
Well, the new embassy's going fine with having numerous deaths going on and the US not getting a damn thing out of it.

And let's see how North Korea is going.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/387800-north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-meeting-with-trump-report

Hm. Just like every time NK wants to talk peace they pull this...and the Trump administration was surprised. But hey, let's give this man a Nobel Peace Prize. :)


Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Clownprince23 on May 16, 2018, 07:23:00 AM
Well, the new embassy's going fine with having numerous deaths going on and the US not getting a damn thing out of it.

And let's see how North Korea is going.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/387800-north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-meeting-with-trump-report (http://thehill.com/policy/international/387800-north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-meeting-with-trump-report)

Hm. Just like every time NK wants to talk peace they pull this...and the Trump administration was surprised. But hey, let's give this man a Nobel Peace Prize. :)


It wouldn't surprise me if North Korea set up fake peace talks just so they could pull out later because of Trump and damage him even more internationally.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on May 16, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
Well, the new embassy's going fine with having numerous deaths going on and the US not getting a damn thing out of it.

And let's see how North Korea is going.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/387800-north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-meeting-with-trump-report (http://thehill.com/policy/international/387800-north-korea-threatens-to-cancel-meeting-with-trump-report)

Hm. Just like every time NK wants to talk peace they pull this...and the Trump administration was surprised. But hey, let's give this man a Nobel Peace Prize. :)


It wouldn't surprise me if North Korea set up fake peace talks just so they could pull out later because of Trump and damage him even more internationally.

Damage him internationally? He just launched a torpedo to the potential for negotiating with North Korea by proving that the U.S. can't be trusted by pulling out of the deal with Iran (that Iran was upholding). Then the U.S. exercise along with South Korea is making a show of force.

From a negotiating perspective, that means that North Korea has little reason to trust Trump, while he's obviously trying to bully them around. That's a way of pushing them to the table to negotiate if that's their safest option, but it's also a good way to push them away from the table, to procrastinate and delay, or to stick to symbolic measures over real ones, just to give Trump some nice photo opportunities.

And in another international deal, Trump is proving he's not afraid of being the cause of bloodshed, with dozens killed and hundreds wounded thanks to moving an embassy to satisfy a bunch of true believers.

No one needs to "damage" Trump internationally, he's doing that fine on his own. The U.S. is actually threatening to sanction European countries for *not* breaking a deal that everyone else was upholding. The U.S. is threatening to launch an idiotic trade war with both China and the EU.

Now that John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are in, we're likely to see a lot more stuff like that. At this rate, at the end of the Trump regime, he'll probably have succeeded at making China the leading world power in international affairs solely by making the U.S. look completely untrustworthy and irresponsible.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 18, 2018, 01:40:17 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388261-fbi-working-to-soften-potential-blow-if-top-secret-informant-is

Um, is that obstruction of justice?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 19, 2018, 02:08:31 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/388460-trump-jr-met-with-emissary-to-saudi-uae-before-election-report

Yep. Russia wasn't alone.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 23, 2018, 04:42:55 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/fbi-informant-meeting-doj-gop-democrats-white-house-603275

Y'know, I knew Trump as President would be bad--but damn, I didn't think we'd get this bad.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/388895-pruitt-spent-at-least-9600-on-office-decor-restored-desks-email

And he also kicked out media outlets in an open forum.

I swear to god, if Obama did just one thing, JUST ONE, of what Trump has done, The Republicans would barge into the White House and throw him out on the street...in front of a mack truck.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on May 23, 2018, 05:22:48 PM
This was a pretty neat summary of just how awful Trump's economic policies are.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/23/how-trumps-obsession-with-china-could-turn-america-into-japan-218320

Quote
Today, Japan muddles along, thanks to a high-savings culture and deep social safety nets. But could most U.S. households withstand 10 to 20 years of negligible growth and flat wages? The United States might have a hard time keeping it together in the event of a lost decade. Taxes have already been slashed, and there’s little scope to cut borrowing costs. The risks would seem less dire if Trump weren’t dragging America back to 1985 to beat a China gearing up for 2025. The way Trump is going, “great” is destined to refer to America’s debt burden, the magnitude of the asset-market correction to come, and the gap between the 1 percent and everyone else. We’ve seen this movie before. It doesn’t require Japanese subtitles to know it could end badly for Trump’s America.

He's basically made an economic program composed of the worst of both parties, along with the terrible he brings on his own.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 25, 2018, 02:56:05 AM
Darn it! No Nobel Prize for Trump. Oh well. At least the produced the most evil looking coin ever.

And to anyone who went "You never give Trump a chance when he does something right." When he does something right, I'll be sure to bring it up. Like maybe not going into a summit like a moron, or actually laying in real work, building the foundation...or just knowing about the key thing you wanted out of North Korea!!!

Also they held meetings on the consultant (Not A SPY) and Trump let one of his attornies Flood in on them. And guess what...nothing turned up.

But in other news.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/389320-trump-nominates-anti-illegal-immigration-advocate-for-state-depts-top

Yep. Another piece of garbage.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/389212-trump-signs-dodd-frank-rollback

Yeah, let's just speed along the recession you're going to create....

And could tell him how big of a jackass he looks. He looks like some dumb kid who got all C's and D's and thinks he's on the honor roll. Oh, and an F in writing.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 26, 2018, 01:21:47 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/389486-trump-appears-to-confirm-deal-on-chinese-telecom-giant-zte

Making China Great Again. Or just make yourself more money and put the country at risk...but that later thing is just every other day at this point.

And in case you're wondering, he's still saying a spy was in his campaign even though there was no evidence at all. Because he's a terrible person.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 27, 2018, 01:38:20 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/389440-pro-hunting-trump-officials-take-ax-to-wildlife-protections

Stupid Obama. Protecting wildlife and land. There will be more endangered animals. That's what MORE means!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389526-audio-revealed-from-source-trump-claimed-doesnt-exist

Well, apparently, how this works is if Trump say something enough time it becomes true. For example.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389503-trump-calls-for-end-to-immigrant-family-separation-blames-democrats

See Dubya signed that bill but if Trump says the Dems are responsible even though he pretty much telling everyone he can to make immigrants...and y'know anyone not white miserable, it becomes true. Because people are stupid.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on May 28, 2018, 04:32:02 PM
Ok it one thing to say you cant peform an abortion if your funded

But you cant even recommend a place to get it. How that even legal. Your not recomending anything illegal. What about the whole doctor patient thing
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on May 30, 2018, 01:29:50 AM
Huh. Trump didn't talk about Rosanne at his latest rally. Instead he commented on Jay Z and the concert two years ago...because he's a racist.

Also at the rally, besides lying about his campaign being infiltrated, said Mexico would pay for the Wall.

Mexican President, your reply.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/389818-mexicos-president-fires-back-at-trump-we-will-never-pay-for-your-wall

Fair enough.


Oh, and about Trump's campaign and the meeting last week.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/gowdy-fbi-informant-spygate-trump-611600

And this is Trey Gowdy who probably is up to his 1000 investigation into Benghazi saying this!

And the dow dropped 400 because Trump wants his trade war...and totally screwing over Ross.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/trump-china-tariffs-610042

Seriously, why would you work for Trump. I'd hate to be his private pilot. "Well, good news...I drained your tank before you took off. MAGA."

And in other news with typical Trump trying to obstruct the probe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/us/politics/trump-sessions-obstruction.html


Oh, and am I the only one who thinks North Korea is about to get the sweetest deal a tyrant can get?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 10, 2018, 01:09:35 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/09/trump-g7-allies-clashes-trade-tariffs-russia-635006

Yep.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 10, 2018, 09:32:23 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/06/10/trump-routinely-rips-up-papers-that-need-to-be-preserved/

Trump compulsively destroys documents.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on June 11, 2018, 06:36:05 PM
Trump's stolen Supreme Court Nomination is actively doing the work of the devils

https://thinkprogress.org/neil-gorsuch-sveen-v-malin-most-radical-opinion-yet-233125a182f6/


The original Constitution forbids states from enacting a “law impairing the obligation of contracts.” According to Gorsuch’s lone dissent, this means that any law that prevents an already-existing contract from being enforced is invalid. Gorsuch’s rule, moreover, is quite unforgiving — “any legislative deviation from a contract’s obligations, ‘however minute, or apparently immaterial,’ violates the Constitution.”

Were this rule to become the law, it would have staggering consequences across many areas of the law. Suppose that Joe agrees to pay Ali $10 an hour to work in Joe’s factory. Now suppose that the state legislature passes a law increasing the minimum wage to $12 dollars an hour. Under Gorsuch’s rule, Joe and Ali’s employment contract preceded the state minimum wage law, so the minimum wage law could not, in this instance, apply to Ali.

Or imagine that a power plant, which uses an extraordinary dirty method to produce power, contracts with a power company to provide a certain amount of energy to the power company’s customers. Then imagine that a state passes a law banning this very dirty form of energy production, effectively requiring power plants to adopt less polluting technology. Under Gorsuch’s rule, that state law would impair an existing contract, and thus would be unconstitutional as applied to this power plant.

Or imagine that a crop-duster contracts with a local farmer to spray a highly toxic pesticide on the farmer’s crops. After several scientific studies reveal that even trace amounts of this pesticide cause severe brain damage in children, the state bans the use of the pesticide. Under Gorsuch’s rule, this state law would impair the existing contract between the farmer and the crop duster, and thus the farmer could continue to poison nearby children
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on June 12, 2018, 01:24:00 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391773-trump-i-told-kim-he-could-have-the-best-hotels-in-the-world

:-|
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 13, 2018, 01:13:34 AM
Elections have consequences and McConnell can drink bleach.

And on the summit, so North Korea gets to look great with the American President, gets the war game practices done with...and North Korea media is saying Trump will lift the sanctions put on them.

And we didn't even get a time table.

And that video.

...

This is something you would see in a bad comedy with a doofu becoming president. This should not be reality!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on June 13, 2018, 11:36:37 AM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on June 13, 2018, 12:10:00 PM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?

North Korea has had peace talks multiple times in the past.  Typically, after they get what they want, they go right back to being assholes.  It remains to be seen if anything comes of this.

Also, South Korea has had a larger role than Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on June 13, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?

North Korea has had peace talks multiple times in the past.  Typically, after they get what they want, they go right back to being assholes.  It remains to be seen if anything comes of this.

Also, South Korea has had a larger role than Trump.

I disagree since Trump is the major authority at the summit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 13, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?
He absolutely did NOT "accomplish peace with NK". Not even close to accurate.


What he did is exactly what he spent the better part of a decade blaming Obama for. He made a bad deal because he can't wrap his head around any kind of actual strategy. He doesn't even want to know, he just likes the idea of a photo op. That's why he had a coin minted.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on June 13, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
So if there was no peace deal, what was accomplished?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 13, 2018, 01:20:41 PM
So if there was no peace deal, what was accomplished?
A photo op and Trump proving he's as bad at negotiation as people have been saying for decades. That's it.

He wanted talking points, not an actual real deal.


Actual peace takes several meetings to broker. You really think DONALD TRUMP can go that long without doing something to ruin it?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on June 13, 2018, 03:44:26 PM
So if there was no peace deal, what was accomplished?

I don’t think anyone (AFAIK) is calling this a finalized peace deal, including the current administration. What it is, is an important early step. Not the first step, as a lot of groundwork was laid prior to this meeting, which is mostly symbolic. However that doesn’t mean it’s a pointless exercise. It might all lead to nothing, but I’m cautiously optimistic. A real, lasting treaty is going to take time. A lot of time, most likely several years. People seem to want immediate results and that simply isn’t going to happen.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on June 13, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
War with NK will be less likely as time goes on. I'd say it's a major step toward peace.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 13, 2018, 04:40:33 PM
War with NK will be less likely as time goes on. I'd say it's a major step toward peace.
I'll be extremely surprised if Trump can keep his cool since NK TV is saying Kim controlled the conference and forced the US to cancel all joint training war games.

Trump also recognized, praised and gave credibility to the leadership of North Korea. Do you understand what that means?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on June 13, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
War with NK will be less likely as time goes on. I'd say it's a major step toward peace.
I'll be extremely surprised if Trump can keep his cool since NK TV is saying Kim controlled the conference and forced the US to cancel all joint training war games.

Trump also recognized, praised and gave credibility to the leadership of North Korea. Do you understand what that means?

Would you expect the North Korean media to say anything else? I’m cognizant of the chance of Trump’s Tweeting in anger sabotaging things, but we’ll see. His name is being floated as a contender for the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s may be enough to keep him focused on making nice.

Suspending war games with South Korea is nothing. They are clearly provocative to the North Koreans, they can always be reinstated, and they’re somewhat useless since everyone knows that if war breaks out, there’s no way South Korea will avoid being devastated. They’re designed to intimidate Nirth Korea, but that’s not helpful right now. Bill Clinton suspended them temporarily during his presidency for the same reason. It’s a small gesture for us to give to the North Koreans.

As for praising North Korea’s leadership... What’s your point? These are the things one says when thawing out relations with a country you’ve technically been st war with for decades. Everyone knows what the North Koreans are, Trump’s compliments aren’t going to change that. It’s harmless flattery and a way to give face to North Korea. I realize it’s unpalatable, but that’s diplomacy. I don’t think the North Koreans would be too eager to proceed if we told them what assholes they were.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 13, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
War with NK will be less likely as time goes on. I'd say it's a major step toward peace.
I'll be extremely surprised if Trump can keep his cool since NK TV is saying Kim controlled the conference and forced the US to cancel all joint training war games.

Trump also recognized, praised and gave credibility to the leadership of North Korea. Do you understand what that means?

Would you expect the North Korean media to say anything else? I’m cognizant of the chance of Trump’s Tweeting in anger sabotaging things, but we’ll see. His name is being floated as a contender for the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s may be enough to keep him focused on making nice.
I doubt anything can actually keep him focused. Trump is demonstrably stupid on a DAILY basis. He was talking shit before and after that nomination occurred.

Suspending war games with South Korea is nothing. They are clearly provocative to the North Koreans, they can always be reinstated, and they’re somewhat useless since everyone knows that if war breaks out, there’s no way South Korea will avoid being devastated. They’re designed to intimidate Nirth Korea, but that’s not helpful right now. Bill Clinton suspended them temporarily during his presidency for the same reason. It’s a small gesture for us to give to the North Koreans.
Suspending war games in South Korea is part of Trump's incredibly misinformed plan to vacate South Korea and eventually Japan altogether. He's flat-out not intelligent enough to even understand the value we get from having a presence there and has cemented that fact repeatedly over the past 3 years.

As for praising North Korea’s leadership... What’s your point?
I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Do you actually know anything about North Korea? Your arguments indicate you do not.

These are the things one says when thawing out relations with a country you’ve technically been st war with for decades. Everyone knows what the North Koreans are, Trump’s compliments aren’t going to change that. It’s harmless flattery and a way to give face to North Korea. I realize it’s unpalatable, but that’s diplomacy. I don’t think the North Koreans would be too eager to proceed if we told them what assholes they were.
Trump's compliments will bolster Kim's actions. He's horrible at negotiation, as he has conclusively proven since the 1970's, and he's horrible at diplomacy. He can't wrap his head around why it exists because he wants the bully pulpit. As soon as he feels he is not being praised, he will throw another tantrum.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on June 13, 2018, 06:00:17 PM
Would you expect the North Korean media to say anything else? I’m cognizant of the chance of Trump’s Tweeting in anger sabotaging things, but we’ll see. His name is being floated as a contender for the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s may be enough to keep him focused on making nice.

Trump getting the Nobel Peace Prize for this would be even worse than when Obama got it. And given the people who sit on that committee, he's extremely unlikely to get it given what he's done so far. Since the prize winner for the year is announced in early October, that's about four months' worth of motivation to play nice, at best.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on June 13, 2018, 06:10:26 PM
^^^ I agree with you on it being both unlikely and undeserved, but I did read that it was mentioned.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on June 13, 2018, 06:30:44 PM
^^^ I agree with you on it being both unlikely and undeserved, but I did read that it was mentioned.

It was in the news here today, actually. A couple of the most right-wing politicians in our most right-wing party (which would probably put them somewhere left of center in the U.S.) were making that suggestion, and pretty much everyone else was either saying they didn't think the results warranted the prize, or basically laughing at it.

It's basically just politicians trying to back up similar politicians. Rather like I doubt anyone that isn't already a Trumpist in the U.S. would mention nominating him for it for this. If anything, considering that he's doing a good job breaking down traditional alliances and international relations in general, he should get the anti-peace prize.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 13, 2018, 06:33:51 PM
Obama got it for not physically being George W. Bush. The ideas behind the reasoning were good, but the justification was pretty much nonexistent.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on June 13, 2018, 09:44:21 PM
So if there was no peace deal, what was accomplished?
A photo op and Trump proving he's as bad at negotiation as people have been saying for decades. That's it.

He wanted talking points, not an actual real deal.


Actual peace takes several meetings to broker. You really think DONALD TRUMP can go that long without doing something to ruin it?

His business practices have proven that how good of a negotiator he his or lack thereof Lol!

And letters Trump hasn't done any lifting.  And if you look at the hypocrites who opposed when Obama spoke of doing this it was an issue then.  Why such high praise now?   
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on June 14, 2018, 04:59:39 PM
^^^ I agree with you on it being both unlikely and undeserved, but I did read that it was mentioned.

It was in the news here today, actually. A couple of the most right-wing politicians in our most right-wing party (which would probably put them somewhere left of center in the U.S.) were making that suggestion, and pretty much everyone else was either saying they didn't think the results warranted the prize, or basically laughing at it.

It's basically just politicians trying to back up similar politicians. Rather like I doubt anyone that isn't already a Trumpist in the U.S. would mention nominating him for it for this. If anything, considering that he's doing a good job breaking down traditional alliances and international relations in general, he should get the anti-peace prize.

because 'traditional alliances and international relations' have been conducive to peace. Right.

It's hilarious watching the fake left partisans openly call for continued slaughter of innocents because they dont want Trump to get a win though.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 16, 2018, 01:35:00 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/trump-tells-fox-news-wants-americans-obey-like-north-koreans-obey-kim-jong-un/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/trump-tells-fox-news-wants-americans-obey-like-north-koreans-obey-kim-jong-un/)

I'm sure this is just part of his mastermind strategy to "thaw relations with North Korea" and not the latest in his long pattern of praise and hero-worship toward authoritarian regimes.

Video clip:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1007607479348363265 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1007607479348363265)

Quote
“He’s the head of the country — and he’s the strong head, don’t let anyone think anything different,” Trump said during the interview. “He speaks and his people sit up in attention. I want my people to do the same.”

Kim Jong-un runs a totalitarian dictatorship in which people face imprisonment or execution if they criticize him. According to human rights watchdog Amnesty International, North Korea has imprisoned an estimated 120,000 people based on political grounds across four separate camps dedicated to imprisoning political dissidents.

The organization further says that people living in these camps are “subjected to forced labor as well as torture and other ill-treatment.”

Despite this, the president has praised Kim for being a “very tough” leader who “loves” the people of his country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on June 16, 2018, 02:24:02 PM
because 'traditional alliances and international relations' have been conducive to peace. Right.

Yes, exactly! After all, we are currently living in the most peaceful era in human history, but Trump is acting to undermine some of the institutions that made that peace possible. He's pretty much taking the 1920s approach to international relations.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 17, 2018, 02:54:26 AM
Wow. So it takes children being taken from the parents for the evangelists to go..."okay, maybe this is a little too far."

And man, I hate these Trump supporters and their "Well, Manafort's separated from his family." The SOB was under house arrest, with two ankle monitors, and he still tried to contact people to obstruct the investigation. Yes, he deserves to be in jail.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Regar on June 18, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?

Liberals will never give him credit for anything.

I cannot wait to see the reaction when he wins again next time.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 18, 2018, 01:37:09 PM
What peace? It's the same darn agreement NK had with SK, he just jumped in and gave them a bunch of stuff with no timetable or even a real promise.

I will give him this. Soldiers who died in the Korean War will have their bodies returned (hopefully). And I would have mentioned it...but then he had to make up a lie the parents wanting their kids home. They'd be about ninety or so.

And he's also doubling down on separating families.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392788-trump-defends-immigration-policy-us-will-not-be-a-migrant-camp

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thorne on June 18, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
How has this migrant thing become such a big issue, nobody gave a rat spit just a few years ago about any of them people.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on June 19, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
So now that Trump has accomplished peace with NK, something good no other president has even ever tried to do, that's pretty good right?

Liberals will never give him credit for anything.

I cannot wait to see the reaction when he wins again next time.

Obama's deal with Iran was a much more substantial deal than what Trump got out of North Korea. Republicans were still mad about that. If Obama had made a deal with Iran as terrible as the one Trump did with North Korea, Republicans would have had their heads explode or something.

Just imagine: The U.S. withdraws stuff from the Middle East and agrees to stop bothering Iran, Iran agrees to "work towards" not acquiring nukes. As the cherry on top, Obama would salute a member of the Republican Guard, and laud the ayatollahs as great people.

By your definition, that's a win.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on June 20, 2018, 01:03:54 AM
How has this migrant thing become such a big issue, nobody gave a rat spit just a few years ago about any of them people.

Because Trump
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on June 21, 2018, 08:13:57 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

Very mature. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 01, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
North Korea is continuing their nuclear program. Trump stopped drills with South Korea, even though he's currently insisting he made NO concessions during his "big negotiation". Classic Trump incompetence.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 01, 2018, 10:09:51 PM
That's not true. NK has continued its denuclearization.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 01, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
That's not true. NK has continued its denuclearization.
Not even John Bolton and Trump believe that.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 01, 2018, 11:21:55 PM
Has he made a statement or something?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 01, 2018, 11:54:27 PM
Has he made a statement or something?
They both did over the past few days.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 02, 2018, 12:02:57 AM
Link? Can't seem to find anything
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 03, 2018, 02:23:03 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/02/politics/north-korea-denuclearization/index.html

And no talk on giving back the bodies from the Korean war.

And in other news China, this Friday, is going to hit us with their tariffs and Canada--flippin' Canada, is not going at  us.

http://thehill.com/homenews/395253-trump-denies-request-to-lower-us-flags-to-honor-capital-gazette-shooting-victims

Well, they are enemies of the state, unlike Putin, Kim, and The Devil himself.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 03, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
Cnn? Really
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 03, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
Yes. A news organization.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 03, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
A CIA mockingbird operation
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 03, 2018, 07:56:11 PM
Are the blogs filled with "inside sources" not covering public, easily located statements from Trump and Bolton?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 03, 2018, 10:25:32 PM
No proof then?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on July 03, 2018, 11:17:04 PM
Reversing Obama's order regarding oceans. Drill, baby, drill!

https://earther.com/climate-change-is-out-drilling-is-in-with-trumps-new-o-1826983390

Climate Change Is Out, Drilling Is in With Trump's New Ocean Policy

The language changes are striking, though. Stewardship, conservation, resiliency, climate change, and ocean acidification were all words that showed up in the Obama order. They’re all gone from Trump’s.

The Trump administration is in the midst of a deregulatory frenzy, including a push to open some 90 percent of U.S. coastal waters to offshore drilling. While rank and file Republicans support this idea, the policy has garnered major pushback from everyone from Republican governors to men and women of the cloth weren’t really feeling it. And with good reason.

When Obama signed off on his oceans policy, the nation was still reeling from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, which covered Gulf of Mexico beaches and waters in a slick veneer of oil in 2010. Since then, BP has spent a whopping $65 billion to deal with the spill’s environmental and legal aftermath. The spill could cause up to $8.5 billion in damage to fisheries alone by 2020. It was and is still a nightmare for the Gulf Coast.

Jane Lunchenco, an ocean scientist who ran the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration under Obama, told Science the change in policy amounts to “a shift from ‘use it without using it up’ to a very short-sighted and cavalier ‘use it aggressively and irresponsibly.’”
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 04, 2018, 01:22:55 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/drugmakers-trump-drug-prices-668260

Wow. Trump's plan of not having a real plan...isn't working? HOW?! He spends so little time and effort at being a leader. :)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/03/trump-got-a-dose-of-dutch-bluntness-from-visiting-prime-minister/?noredirect=on



I
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 04, 2018, 02:54:06 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/drugmakers-trump-drug-prices-668260

Wow. Trump's plan of not having a real plan...isn't working? HOW?! He spends so little time and effort at being a leader. :)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/03/trump-got-a-dose-of-dutch-bluntness-from-visiting-prime-minister/?noredirect=on



I

https://www.justice.gov/opa/video/2018-national-health-care-fraud-opioid-takedown
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 04, 2018, 03:19:47 PM
Yes. A news organization.

lmaooooo where are the weapons of mass destruction?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 04, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
And babies in the incubators
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 06, 2018, 01:12:01 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mocks-metoo-movement-in-montana-rally/2018/07/05/fad40ce2-80b3-11e8-b660-4d0f9f0351f1_story.html?noredirect=on

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 06, 2018, 01:44:33 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mocks-metoo-movement-in-montana-rally/2018/07/05/fad40ce2-80b3-11e8-b660-4d0f9f0351f1_story.html?noredirect=on

Because, no means yes to him and those like him.  But, I'm sure the impeach Trump tees are the worse things they could find this week. Even though the 3rd party site also had Anti-Obama and Hillary stuff on their site.   Hypocritical morons. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 06, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
VERY stupid, as he can easily tie me too to the Clintons and pizzagate.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 07, 2018, 12:29:05 AM
Lol what?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 10, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/09/obamacare-insurance-rate-hikes-675525

Yep. Because it has "Obama" in it and must therefore suffer.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/09/donaldtrump-personal-driver-sues-for-back-wages-674606

And another person Trump has cheated out of money.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 10, 2018, 04:59:17 PM
VERY stupid, as he can easily tie me too to the Clintons and pizzagate.

Your lucky this is debate because that sentence is just being begged to be mocked.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on July 10, 2018, 05:47:04 PM
https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1016688260691709952

Makes sense. They're patriots, after all. Not like those football players kneeling.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 10, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
You shouldn't go to jail for crisis fires.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 11, 2018, 01:20:03 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/10/trump-migrant-families-separated-706144

Y'know, I used to think movies or shows that had a super evil person as president were stupid--not anymore. Nope. You could have Pennywise as president and it's now a believable concept to me. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: SmeaGog on July 11, 2018, 01:49:06 AM
Kinda amazed no one's posted this:


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-trump.html
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 13, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
12 indictments in Dnc Russian hack. 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-rosenstein-russia-indictments/

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1017805342011461633?s=19

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1017802960812769281?s=19
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 13, 2018, 05:12:53 PM
Dems are worried that Putin has the Uranium 1 files, as well as a treasure trove of Obama and Hillary corruption all over Syria, Libia and Afghanistan. These indictments will be used to pressure Trump to not go to the summit or sabotage it.

Coincidental timing with these indictments. Won't work tho
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on July 13, 2018, 07:35:24 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/10/trump-migrant-families-separated-706144

Y'know, I used to think movies or shows that had a super evil person as president were stupid--not anymore. Nope. You could have Pennywise as president and it's now a believable concept to me. :)

Because a lot of Americans are silly enough to not think it could happen here.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 13, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
12 indictments in Dnc Russian hack. 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-rosenstein-russia-indictments/

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1017805342011461633?s=19

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1017802960812769281?s=19

Also, how can the fbi indict them when they refuse to examine hillary's email server? That's the biggest piece of evidence. This is clearly a political stunt with no evidence.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 14, 2018, 03:02:18 AM
12 indictments in Dnc Russian hack. 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-rosenstein-russia-indictments/

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1017805342011461633?s=19

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1017802960812769281?s=19

Also, how can the fbi indict them when they refuse to examine hillary's email server? That's the biggest piece of evidence. This is clearly a political stunt with no evidence.


Roflmao!  They already did that.  And what does that have to do with Russian indictments regarding their attempt to hack Hillary once trump asked for it to be done on national television?  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/russians-hillary-clinton-email-server-trump-indictment.

And since you brought up Hillary's email.  What about his admin's private email accounts? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/private-email-trump-kushner-bannon.html   
His unsecure Iphone  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/trumps-unsecured-iphones-make-clintons-basement-server-look-like-fort-knox 

Don't be a hypocrite now!

Here Cnn has the pdf file for the indictment.  https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/read-mueller-indictment-dnc-hacking/index.html 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on July 14, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/10/trump-migrant-families-separated-706144

Y'know, I used to think movies or shows that had a super evil person as president were stupid--not anymore. Nope. You could have Pennywise as president and it's now a believable concept to me. :)

Because a lot of Americans are silly enough to not think it could happen here.

Well we currently having a movie the Siege happening with immigration

And I am sure there some movie where a 5 year old becomes president

12 indictments in Dnc Russian hack. 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-rosenstein-russia-indictments/

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1017805342011461633?s=19

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1017802960812769281?s=19

Also, how can the fbi indict them when they refuse to examine hillary's email server? That's the biggest piece of evidence. This is clearly a political stunt with no evidence.

Your right. We should treat both things the same. Want Trump to be in front of Capitol and testifying for 11 hours

Also if they got any new evidence...days before an election...Even if it turns out later to be kind of meanignless...I want the FBI to release. You know for shits and giggles. Or makes a speech about it

Oh and Session should be up for perjury charges. And Hope...Trump supreme court picks consistent when it comes to if your can charge the president as he was with Clinton
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 16, 2018, 08:22:36 AM
Y'know, I think today is the day that Trump stands up to Putin and shows the leadership of a true president.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/397146-trump-rips-obama-hours-before-summit-with-putin

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/397124-trump-putin-begin-summit-amid-global-tensions

Eh, I was drinkin' the night before. B 4. Heh heh...
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 16, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/trump-russia-putin-summit-722418

Well, that went pretty much how I expected.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 16, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
I'll give trump credit for resisting the insane proven terrorist warmongers within the Neocon and Neoliberal establishment.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 16, 2018, 07:44:26 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 16, 2018, 08:16:38 PM
I wonder if Russia and the America would be closer to war if Trump went at Putin aggressively, accusing him of rigging elections and other things. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 16, 2018, 09:39:35 PM
I wonder if Russia and the America would be closer to war if Trump went at Putin aggressively, accusing him of rigging elections and other things. What do you guys think?
He's going to make a lot more headway saying what his master Putin told him to say so the absolute dumbest Americans will eat it up and defend it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 16, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
Ah. So the opposite of that. Cool
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 16, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
Ah. So the opposite of that. Cool
Ya prolly

U fink maybe Trump is so good at the words?


Give an in depth defense of Trump's actual words he spoke today. Or do you have to wait until Alex Jones and Hannity tell you what to say and "think"?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on July 16, 2018, 10:25:21 PM
U fink maybe Trump is so good at the words?

Trump has the best words.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 16, 2018, 10:26:02 PM
I haven't been able to see much of it. What did he say?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 16, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
I haven't been able to see much of it. What did he say?
If you don't even know what he said, it's even more pathetic that you're blindly defending it. That's creepy as fuck.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 16, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
I heard some of the stuff he said. What did you hear that's such a big deal?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 16, 2018, 11:27:35 PM
I heard some of the stuff he said. What did you hear that's such a big deal?
Pay attention. This isn't obscure research.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 16, 2018, 11:59:15 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 12:40:15 AM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 17, 2018, 02:38:10 AM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 17, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
Well, Trump's not getting a lot of praise, but there is one person who says he did a great job.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/397371-david-duke-praises-trump-for-putin-press-conference

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on July 17, 2018, 10:11:42 AM
well guess where going to get cyber attack again from Putin

They tried to attack the machines. went to hack the voter database. Now they didnt succeed in that attack. But since doing NOTHING to prevent it, they may do it next time

But Trump will get into the bottom of Hillary emails
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 11:52:00 AM
Trump went out of his way twice yesterday to talk about how strong and powerful Putin is and was. Putin's the real victim here!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.

No we are aware you're trying to deflect for Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/irs-will-no-longer-force-kochs-and-other-groups-to-disclose-donors.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 17, 2018, 01:41:43 PM
Because--EVILLLLLL. Man, what the heck has the Republican Party become? I mean, they are now a heel wrestling stable.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397448-house-conservatives-criticize-media-not-trump-for-putin-furor

Yeah, especially the tea party.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on July 17, 2018, 02:38:51 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.

No we are aware you're trying to deflect for Trump.

I was speaking to the established government operative, Paco. I don't blame you for your laughable utter ignorance of American politics beyond your myopic concern about immigration.

But yeah. This is the objective best thing Trump has done so far. It's refreshing seeing fake psuedo Progressives actively support mass murder for their globalist masters, though. Good to see fake liberals support terrorist warmongers who murdered Kennedy for this exact same possibility, too.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on July 17, 2018, 03:36:47 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.

No we are aware you're trying to deflect for Trump.

I was speaking to the established government operative, Paco. I don't blame you for your laughable utter ignorance of American politics beyond your myopic concern about immigration.

But yeah. This is the objective best thing Trump has done so far. It's refreshing seeing fake psuedo Progressives actively support mass murder for their globalist masters, though. Good to see fake liberals support terrorist warmongers who murdered Kennedy for this exact same possibility, too.

So how do you feel now that Trump is saying he meant to say that it was Russia?

And are you also saying that Putin and Erdogan are NOT warmongers or fascist dictators?

These are pretty simple and straightforward questions, so please respond without deflecting to Obama, the Clintons, etc. I already know your thoughts on them.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on July 17, 2018, 03:41:53 PM
Because--EVILLLLLL. Man, what the heck has the Republican Party become? I mean, they are now a heel wrestling stable.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397448-house-conservatives-criticize-media-not-trump-for-putin-furor

Yeah, especially the tea party.

Republicans are heels and Democrats are jobbers.  That's how our system works.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Not BAMF on July 17, 2018, 03:56:43 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.

No we are aware you're trying to deflect for Trump.

I was speaking to the established government operative, Paco. I don't blame you for your laughable utter ignorance of American politics beyond your myopic concern about immigration.

But yeah. This is the objective best thing Trump has done so far. It's refreshing seeing fake psuedo Progressives actively support mass murder for their globalist masters, though. Good to see fake liberals support terrorist warmongers who murdered Kennedy for this exact same possibility, too.

This is the Debate forum, right? Knock it off with the name-calling.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 04:00:09 PM
Nothing says resisting warmongers like getting chummy with Putin and fist bumping Erdogan.

Well, YEAH, considering that the warmongers like McCain, the Bushes, Obama and the Clintons all support their proxy terrorists in order to advance US Hegemony.
That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Still pretending like you don't know, eh? uh-huh.

No we are aware you're trying to deflect for Trump.

I was speaking to the established government operative, Paco. I don't blame you for your laughable utter ignorance of American politics beyond your myopic concern about immigration.

But yeah. This is the objective best thing Trump has done so far. It's refreshing seeing fake psuedo Progressives actively support mass murder for their globalist masters, though. Good to see fake liberals support terrorist warmongers who murdered Kennedy for this exact same possibility, too.

The only person defending warmongers is you since your one hundred person cool with Trump rolling over showing the presidencies belly to Putin.

But I'm gonna give you a bit of a golf clap with your name calling tactic. Skirt the rules just enough you can get a ban so you can duck out of the conversation and then come back claiming your being unfairly targeted. I'd be careful with that though since you're probably scratching at a permaban at this point.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 17, 2018, 04:29:49 PM
Trump backpedaled so hard today.  Wtf?  Can we just get rid of that whole fucking admin? 

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Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 17, 2018, 04:31:38 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 04:33:15 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?
You really can't do better than that?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 04:45:47 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?

Are you saying two world leaders getting along is a sign they aren't warmongers? Because I can flip to a random page in a high school history text book and just point at proof on how wrong that assertion is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 17, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?

Unlike his invasion of Crimea I'm sure.  Or Russia's aggressive posture towards American military.
And their relationship is one marred with Russian inteference in our electoral process and the attempt to have affected the outcome in some manner.  Which, would be through the hacking and the dissemination of that info that they acquired which benefited Trump.  Alongside with the possibility that there's other things that Russians may have over trump.  That's not peaceful.  This Trump is Putin's submissive bitch and Putin his his pimp.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 17, 2018, 06:28:39 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?

Are you saying two world leaders getting along is a sign they aren't warmongers? Because I can flip to a random page in a high school history text book and just point at proof on how wrong that assertion is.

Well ya, that is what I'm saying. Would you agree that if Trump went in aggressively like the Democrats wanted we would be closer to war than what we are now?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 06:32:58 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?

Are you saying two world leaders getting along is a sign they aren't warmongers? Because I can flip to a random page in a high school history text book and just point at proof on how wrong that assertion is.

Well ya, that is what I'm saying. Would you agree that if Trump went in aggressively like the Democrats wanted we would be closer to war than what we are now?
Aggressively in what way specifically?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
Remember you're talking about Donald Trump. The guy who threw a tantrum and got into a name-calling contest and LOST against North Korea after they openly attacked our ally and launched missiles toward another. He goes into name-calling fits on a daily basis for ANY perceived slight from allies or "enemies".

Putin (whose name can easily be PUT INto any number of stupid nicknames) has miraculously gone unchallenged or admonished by Trump in any way. Instead, he's constantly praised for "strength" and "power".

Oddly... The same goes for Erdogan... And Duterte...

This is truly puzzling!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 07:14:16 PM
He also had no issue whatsoever attacking our longtime allies publicly on the same day.

So I'm eager to see what you come up with to support your "aggressive Democrats" talking point.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 07:38:17 PM
Trump and Putin seem to be getting along. That's not the behavior of war mongers. Trump and Putin want peace. How is that warmongering?

Are you saying two world leaders getting along is a sign they aren't warmongers? Because I can flip to a random page in a high school history text book and just point at proof on how wrong that assertion is.

Well ya, that is what I'm saying. Would you agree that if Trump went in aggressively like the Democrats wanted we would be closer to war than what we are now?

If Trump told Putin stop his shit and Putin kept instigating it would he on Putin. Defending your country isn't warmongering.

But hell if saying stop hacking our shit is warmongering then all the shit he's been pulling with every other country definitely is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 17, 2018, 09:01:53 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 09:20:18 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?
You're going to have to do SO much better to actually support this one. Try again.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 10:05:07 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?

Only if Putin is a warmonger so I'm glad you agree with me.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 17, 2018, 10:24:39 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?

Only if Putin is a warmonger so I'm glad you agree with me.

Then why are you criticising Trump for going the peaceful route?

You're not happy when Trump stands up to North Korea saying "he's trying to start a war" and you aren't happy when he's gracious and diplomatic with Putin. I believe those are signs of MSM brainwashing.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?

Only if Putin is a warmonger so I'm glad you agree with me.

Then why are you criticising Trump for going the peaceful route?

You're not happy when Trump stands up to North Korea saying "he's trying to start a war" and you aren't happy when he's gracious and diplomatic with Putin. I believe those are signs of MSM brainwashing.
Your beliefs are clearly built on childlike oversimplification.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on July 17, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
So, we would be closer to war then we are now, right?

Only if Putin is a warmonger so I'm glad you agree with me.

Then why are you criticising Trump for going the peaceful route?

You're not happy when Trump stands up to North Korea saying "he's trying to start a war" and you aren't happy when he's gracious and diplomatic with Putin. I believe those are signs of MSM brainwashing.

1: Name calling isn't standing up to North Korea. Especially when they haven't directly acted against us.
2: Rolling over for Russia when you know they acted against us isn't being diplomatic. It's being a bitch.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 17, 2018, 11:01:23 PM
There's no evidence Russia did anything in the election. The fbi still refuses to investigate the email server. Trump stood strong with NK because homie was threatening nukes.

Putin has done nothing like that, has offered to help with the election investigation and wants to work with America for peace. Putin is not the bad guy here. The only warmongering he could be perceived as doing is single handily keeping ISIS from conquering Syria...for years.

You have a lot to learn son.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 17, 2018, 11:14:29 PM
There's no evidence Russia did anything in the elecrion. The fbi still refuses to investigate the email server. Trump stood strong with NK because homie was threatening nukes.

Putin has done nothing like that, has offered to help with the election investigation and wants to work with America for peace. Putin is not the bad guy here. The only warmongering he could be perceived as doing is single handily keeping ISIS from conquering Syria...for years.
This latest post of yours isn't even good enough to call trolling. It's just sad.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 18, 2018, 12:00:48 AM
We all know how much I value your opinion Xerxes
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 18, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
We all know how much I value your opinion Xerxes
It was a statement of fact with cited evidence, actually.

Your trolling character isn't really working anymore.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on July 18, 2018, 10:07:53 AM
has offered to help with the election investigation[/b] a

And what a generous offer that is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 18, 2018, 04:07:19 PM
And seems Trumps already backpedaled on his backpedal from yesteday.

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1019622563708747776

Jamil Smith
‏Verified account @JamilSmith

Just now in a Cabinet meeting, Trump was asked if Russia is still targeting the U.S. Contradicting the intelligence community’s findings and common sense, he said, “No.” That is as insane as anything he said in Helsinki, and evidence he is in dereliction of his duties as @POTUS

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 18, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
Seems the FBI has obtained secret wiretaps of Trump Jr. meeting with a Putin ally.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-son-concerned-wiretaps-show-trump-jr-met-putin-ally-231215529.html

he FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of Russia’s Central Bank who has forged close ties with U.S. lawmakers and the National Rifle Association, that led to a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the gun lobby’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., in May 2016, a top Spanish prosecutor said Friday.

José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.

“Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI,” Grinda said in response to a question from Yahoo News during a talk he gave at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. Asked if he was concerned about Torshin’s meetings with Donald Trump Jr. and other American political figures, Grinda replied: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”


More in the article.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on July 18, 2018, 04:14:43 PM
Trump apparently rides a bicycle backwards, he backpedals so hard.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 18, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
It's hilarious that certain people spent YEARS insisting Barack HUSSEIN Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim hell-bent on taking down our democracy by first taking away our guns...

But these exact same people openly praise Trump, the conspicuously obese Manchurian candidate that actually has multiple direct ties to foreign agents. Trump has openly stated very specifically he thinks the government should be allowed to take away guns from US Citizens first and ask questions later.

These people are hypocritical and fundamentally stupid, but they sure love perpetuating those conspiracy theories across Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. A large chunk of them are actually foreign intelligence programs designed to affect social change, but some of them are just stupid, vulnerable Americans.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 18, 2018, 04:22:18 PM
And seems Trumps already backpedaled on his backpedal from yesteday.

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1019622563708747776

Jamil Smith
‏Verified account @JamilSmith

Just now in a Cabinet meeting, Trump was asked if Russia is still targeting the U.S. Contradicting the intelligence community’s findings and common sense, he said, “No.” That is as insane as anything he said in Helsinki, and evidence he is in dereliction of his duties as @POTUS


His administration is already trying to backpedal on THAT.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 18, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
And seems Trumps already backpedaled on his backpedal from yesteday.

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1019622563708747776

Jamil Smith
‏Verified account @JamilSmith

Just now in a Cabinet meeting, Trump was asked if Russia is still targeting the U.S. Contradicting the intelligence community’s findings and common sense, he said, “No.” That is as insane as anything he said in Helsinki, and evidence he is in dereliction of his duties as @POTUS


His administration is already trying to backpedal on THAT.

Roflmao!  I've been calling this the admin of lowered standards.  Now, I'll have to call it the admin of backpedaling on backpedals.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Master on July 18, 2018, 07:28:52 PM
An American president saying that poor relations with Russia has been the US’s fault? Because the United States is foolish? And rebuked the findings of US intelligence agencies based on the word of Putin’s alone... on international TV... during a summit with Putin?

All the while, Trump has been talking down NATO, calling the US news media the enemy, Democrats the enemy, and getting into hissy fits with the European Union.

Yikes. All pro-Putin stances. For any prior modern president, Congress and the US public would be going nuts. Trump is facing some outrage, but not nearly enough. For a guy trying to deny collusion, his actions paint a picture.

If it turns out that he truly has been influenced by the Russians, it’s a big blow for American democracy.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 18, 2018, 10:47:46 PM
Meanwhile, Trump has known all along about Putin's orders & Russia's attacks. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=https://t.co/bJjYgvwEDH

#worsepresidentever.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 19, 2018, 02:38:59 AM
Here's the thing.

1. I believe Trump is just horrible enough to have colluded with Russia because he cares about no one but himself.

2. I can believe that Russia has something on Trump (pee pee tape) and he would jeopardize the country to not be embarrassed because he's a narcissist.

3. He could just be a horrible president because he's stupid and because he's lazy.



And something else

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397783-democrats-slam-trump-for-considering-putins-absurd-request-to-question

I don't normally like to tell other people how to live their lives or what to do but--McFaul, RUN! Run to Canada!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on July 19, 2018, 11:36:40 PM
And something else

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397783-democrats-slam-trump-for-considering-putins-absurd-request-to-question

I don't normally like to tell other people how to live their lives or what to do but--McFaul, RUN! Run to Canada!

That would just lead to the U.S. invading the enemy nation protecting the traitor.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 20, 2018, 08:40:40 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/397905-trump-administration-introduce-proposal-to-roll-back-endangered

Ah, back to normal...Trump trying to kill the earth and all the creatures on it. :)

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Not BAMF on July 23, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
Some more sage words from our not-at-all-warmongering President, who always does what he does so that we can live in peace.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98never-ever-threaten-the-united-states-again%e2%80%99-trump-tweets-in-warning-to-iran%e2%80%99s-rouhani/ar-BBKXHke?ocid=ientp
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on July 23, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
Some more sage words from our not-at-all-warmongering President, who always does what he does so that we can live in peace.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/%e2%80%98never-ever-threaten-the-united-states-again%e2%80%99-trump-tweets-in-warning-to-iran%e2%80%99s-rouhani/ar-BBKXHke?ocid=ientp

We live in a time where a president threatens another country in public, online, and in all caps.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 23, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Also, seems there's 12 tapes that were seized from Cohen.  He's using the Iran thing and anything else as a deflection.  Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is actually the nuclear threat to America.  Could have sworn we had fucked up their program.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398409-federal-prosecutors-received-12-audio-tapes-seized-from-cohen
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 23, 2018, 08:06:15 PM
Since Russia us a nuclear threat, I guess it's a good idea Trump and Putin are getting along huh?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 23, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
Since Russia us a nuclear threat, I guess it's a good idea Trump and Putin are getting along huh?
Trump working for Putin is not a good thing. I'm not remotely surprised you're happy with their little arrangement.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 23, 2018, 09:28:39 PM
Trump has more leverage on Putin than you would believe.

Since Putin is considered a nuclear threat, isn't it better they are getting along?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Rynox on July 23, 2018, 09:37:27 PM
It's definitely better to get along, but trump rollled on his back and showed him his big orange belly when they met.

He was easily cowed, and even other republicans were saying wtf.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 23, 2018, 09:43:33 PM
Trump controls Putin's German pipeline. NATO gave Trump 33 billion in one afternoon showing Putin that Trump doesn't have to fund an arms race. Putin has to play ball now. And what do you know?

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/trump-putin-soccerball-gty-ps-180716_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg)

"The ball is in your court Mr. President."

LOL!

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 24, 2018, 09:50:55 AM
Trump has more leverage on Putin than you would believe.

Trump has no leverage on Putin. Putin is holding all the cards when it comes to dealing with Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 24, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
This post disagrees with you.

Trump controls Putin's German pipeline. NATO gave Trump 33 billion in one afternoon showing Putin that Trump doesn't have to fund an arms race. Putin has to play ball now. And what do you know?

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/trump-putin-soccerball-gty-ps-180716_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg)

"The ball is in your court Mr. President."

LOL!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on July 24, 2018, 12:22:58 PM
That doesn't prove leverage. That's you posting words without any proof.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 24, 2018, 01:09:14 PM
That's a picture of Putin giving Trump a soccer ball exactly the way an absentee father would give a token birthday present he picked up on the way over to his dumbass kid who has openly spent the last several years hero worshipping him. Trump begged Putin to be his friend. In public. Before this.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 24, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
This is what leverage looks like letters. 
CNN has obtained one of the tapes.  One discussing Kate McDougal and their attempt to cover it up. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape/index.html
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 25, 2018, 09:21:44 AM
Seth Abramson big thread regarding the release of the trump tape.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1021944349167427584?s=19
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 02:34:40 AM
So it looks like Trump may or may not have paid cash or check to someone or something somewhere, and they were talking about something.

Yes. Excellent detective work Dlb
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 02:35:25 AM
And it looks like Trump just won the trade war.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 11:28:54 AM
Trump backed down on his tariff threats after the EU signed exclusive deals with China.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 11:33:53 AM
Trump got 0 tariffs which is exactly what he wanted. No point in threatening people once your demands are met. Supersayin?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 11:43:22 AM
Trump got 0 tariffs which is exactly what he wanted. No point in threatening people once your demands are met. Supersayin?
That's definitely not what happened at all.

Trump agreed to hold back the proposed auto tariffs. The EU agreed to hold off on their planned retaliation.

Trump is moving forward with tariffs on steel and aluminum. The EU was already going to buy our soybeans since China drove up the price in Brazil by moving their procurement there. They'll buy our liquid gas if the price is competitive with what they already produce locally. Basically, Trump is lying because most of his followers don't know shit about macroeconomics.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 01:32:50 PM
Trump got 0 tariffs which is exactly what he wanted. No point in threatening people once your demands are met. Supersayin?
That's definitely not what happened at all.

Trump agreed to hold back the proposed auto tariffs. The EU agreed to hold off on their planned retaliation.

Trump is moving forward with tariffs on steel and aluminum. The EU was already going to buy our soybeans since China drove up the price in Brazil by moving their procurement there. They'll buy our liquid gas if the price is competitive with what they already produce locally. Basically, Trump is lying because most of his followers don't know shit about macroeconomics.

That's what Trump wanted. How is this deal bad for America?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
Trump got 0 tariffs which is exactly what he wanted. No point in threatening people once your demands are met. Supersayin?
That's definitely not what happened at all.

Trump agreed to hold back the proposed auto tariffs. The EU agreed to hold off on their planned retaliation.

Trump is moving forward with tariffs on steel and aluminum. The EU was already going to buy our soybeans since China drove up the price in Brazil by moving their procurement there. They'll buy our liquid gas if the price is competitive with what they already produce locally. Basically, Trump is lying because most of his followers don't know shit about macroeconomics.

That's what Trump wanted. How is this deal bad for America?
I definitely agree Trump wanted to, and definitely did, exploit the uneducated by getting them to vote for him.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
How is this trade deal bad for America tho?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 01:49:09 PM
How is this trade deal bad for America tho?
Tariffs are still on the table for both sides.

His actions have already driven billions of dollars of business away from the US to China. We have little to no relevant rare Earth minerals of our own. Africa and China have like 80% of the ones we actually use for technological advancement. Driving our longtime allies into the arms of China weakens the US not only in the short term but critically in the long term. Trump's inability to comprehend the interwoven nature of our political and socioeconomic policies was apparent going back to the 90's, minimum.

Now he can actually permanently damage our country's potential to make actual deals, not the pretend deals he crows about on Twitter. Trust in the US has never been lower. Companies and Nations are looking elsewhere. You can't count on America to be a nation of consumers when you give fake tax breaks that only benefit the wealthy.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 01:55:42 PM
“But the thing is that he has challenged a very powerful system….thus, Trump might face the same consequences as many American politicians when they fought against the elites….”as in John Kennedy’s case,” said Shakhnazarov, referring to JFK’s assassination.

Read more at: http://www.neonnettle.com/news/4616-russian-tv-trump-will-be-assassinated-for-ruining-the-elites
© Neon Nettle

Uh oh. Looks the the elites also known as the Deep State may try to assassinate our great President. Let's all say a prayer for Jesus to protect him.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.
Steel is not rare Earth. Not even close. Steel is a combo of iron and carbon.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 26, 2018, 03:33:29 PM
Um, he's probably going to go back on his deal with the EU anyway.

Especially when people start making fun of him for this:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/international-taxes/399042-eu-official-used-colorful-simplified-cue-cards-to-explain

Like how you would teach a six year old how to read. Amazing. Not surprising, but still amazing. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 26, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.

You sure about that.  We're doing a 12 billion dollar bail out for farmers.  Because, they're fucked on the market for other countries, & they also have to deal with the labor shortage due to the immigration policy & Americans aren't Rushing to feel those jobs.  I need more dets on the oil & steel industry.  But, I could've sworn we imported a lot of both.  And I don't think we have the avenues in place to export oil as readily as we do to import it.

Hell, rare earth metals are a lot of metals imported From certain countries in Africa & I believe China.  With both being important to many electronic components and the like.  Hell, I remember a nickel shortage world wide in 07-08.  That had affected the price of alot of shit around that time.   
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 26, 2018, 04:31:23 PM
Oh and Trump is getting another lawsuit for possible constitutional  violations by doing business with foreign govts.

http://radio.wosu.org/post/federal-lawsuit-against-president-trumps-business-interests-allowed-proceed#stream/0


Let's see what that Trump org is really about. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.
Steel is not rare Earth. Not even close. Steel is a combo of iron and carbon.

Ya I know. Not sure what America is short on. You said we hardly have rare metals so what do we not have that we need from other countries?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 05:06:35 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.
Steel is not rare Earth. Not even close. Steel is a combo of iron and carbon.

Ya I know. Not sure what America is short on. You said we hardly have rare metals so what do we not have that we need from other countries?
North America has very few relevant rare Earth minerals.


I'm not going to take the time to teach you about macroeconomics and modern engineering, let alone the supply chain repercussions being felt across multiple industries because he runs his uninformed mouth.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 26, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
America can self sustain with steel, oil, and food. I'm not sure what else it would need or what you think the rare minerals are that we don't have. Care to elaborate?

Also, this no tariff deal looks to save America at least 150 billion annually but also boost American industry. Doesn't seem so bad to me.
Steel is not rare Earth. Not even close. Steel is a combo of iron and carbon.

Ya I know. Not sure what America is short on. You said we hardly have rare metals so what do we not have that we need from other countries?

Then we shouldn't want or need to trade with anyone if that were true.  Why don't you try googling some shit for once and getting the answers?  You'll research the fuck out of these bullshit stories and claims.  But, aren't willing to educate yourself on some shit that actually matters. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 06:19:58 PM
If you guys can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 06:25:37 PM
If you guys can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough.
You thought steel was a rare Earth material. Nobody is stopping you from going back to school and learning things. Well, Republicans are TRYING to, but that's an additional flaw in their philosophy.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 26, 2018, 08:49:32 PM
You can't seem to list 1 thing America needs from other countries. That shows how little understanding you have about the topic.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 26, 2018, 09:44:26 PM
You can't seem to list 1 thing America needs from other countries. That shows how little understanding you have about the topic.
I listed "rare Earth minerals". That encompasses no less than a dozen "things". You know so little about this topic, you keep focusing on trying to sidetrack it into your usual nonsense. The only rare Earth mine in the US filed for bankruptcy because we get ours from overseas.

If you couldn't be bothered to learn anything about the most critical elements used in the majority of modern technology, that's just one more thing you're proudly ignorant about. You need to be better than this.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on July 26, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
You can't seem to list 1 thing America needs from other countries. That shows how little understanding you have about the topic.

The U.S. obviously *could* pursue a Juche policy. Since Trump is already fond of running things communist-style, that would fit him well. Of course, the American people might not appreciate it very much, having to take a substantial cut in standard of living because Trump doesn't like getting manufactured goods and actual physical stuff in exchange for the promise of phantom paper pieces.

So yeah, "need" is quite different from "want." When it really comes down to it, all people really *need* is enough food to subsist, and possibly some occasional shelter. That'd surely be making America great again.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 27, 2018, 12:13:34 AM
Now Trump's a communist?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 27, 2018, 12:14:57 AM
You can't seem to list 1 thing America needs from other countries. That shows how little understanding you have about the topic.
I listed "rare Earth minerals". That encompasses no less than a dozen "things". You know so little about this topic, you keep focusing on trying to sidetrack it into your usual nonsense. The only rare Earth mine in the US filed for bankruptcy because we get ours from overseas.

If you couldn't be bothered to learn anything about the most critical elements used in the majority of modern technology, that's just one more thing you're proudly ignorant about. You need to be better than this.

I honestly don't know. That's why I was asking
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 27, 2018, 01:17:41 AM
You can't seem to list 1 thing America needs from other countries. That shows how little understanding you have about the topic.
I listed "rare Earth minerals". That encompasses no less than a dozen "things". You know so little about this topic, you keep focusing on trying to sidetrack it into your usual nonsense. The only rare Earth mine in the US filed for bankruptcy because we get ours from overseas.

If you couldn't be bothered to learn anything about the most critical elements used in the majority of modern technology, that's just one more thing you're proudly ignorant about. You need to be better than this.

I honestly don't know. That's why I was asking

Hell, I'd already made a statement on the uses of rare earth metals being in electronics.  They're used in many military applications as well.  You can find a lot of this shit in everything from your car, cellphone, tablets, computers, and gaming consoles as just a few things.  The thing is is the US is a major consumer I think we use like 25% of resources world wide.  We take and take and take and for a long time without giving back.  And Trump is more interested in emphasizing on fossils vs renewable energy sources.  And we have seen the results of things like coal mining, strip mining, the oil spills, contaminated land and water.  And Trump's ignored the research on global warming. I think recyclables come in as a big plus overall.  When say our electronics and other things die on us.  Where America was of the mind state of just buy another vs save the environment.  We are coming around to be more aware of what we've done to the environment. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 27, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399166-devos-to-repeal-obama-era-rule-penalizing-for-profit-colleges-that

Because she's horrible.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/399184-wheeler-obama-jumped-the-gun-on-strict-vehicle-fuel-standards

Because he'll be horrible too.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on July 27, 2018, 12:09:09 PM
Now Trump's a communist?

Yeah, haven't you been paying attention? He's putting tariffs in place and then compensating by communist subsidies. And self-sufficiency without trade is a classic communist policy, since you're asking about what the U.S. "needs".
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 27, 2018, 01:10:38 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 27, 2018, 03:10:20 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?

Obama didn't take office till Jan 20th 2009! 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 27, 2018, 03:14:11 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?
You're trying really hard to have it both ways when your assertions don't pan out. Can you actually defend any of Trump's actions and/or policies without using whataboutisms?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 27, 2018, 04:36:33 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?

Obama didn't take office till Jan 20th 2009!

Whenever he did the banks and AIG bailout then. So does that make him a communist?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 27, 2018, 04:39:42 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?
You're trying really hard to have it both ways when your assertions don't pan out. Can you actually defend any of Trump's actions and/or policies without using whataboutisms?

We're trying to figure out if Trump is the worst president ever, shouldn't we compare him to other presidents?

I'm just trying to figure out the rules here. Trump's a commie because he bails out the farmers, Idk why this is a bad thing btw.

Obama bails out big business, how does that compare to Trump?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 27, 2018, 05:01:01 PM

Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?
You're trying really hard to have it both ways when your assertions don't pan out. Can you actually defend any of Trump's actions and/or policies without using whataboutisms?

We're trying to figure out if Trump is the worst president ever, shouldn't we compare him to other presidents?
To a point. If his stuff can't stand on its own, it's not worth defending.

It shouldn't have to be "Well ____ did ___ !" to make a case for someone you think is making good decisions for 300 million people.

I'm just trying to figure out the rules here. Trump's a commie because he bails out the farmers, Idk why this is a bad thing btw.
You didn't break a rule. It's just a very poor way to defend something you support. That's why when children do that, adults correct them. When adults do it, they're called childish because the argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny and we expect adults to know better.
We already subsidize farmers to begin with. Now thanks to his policies, we're dumping another 12 billion into the pockets of wealthy farm companies. He's very good for large corporations. He is bad for the worker. The median wage has actually DECREASED since the "tax cuts."


Obama bails out big business, how does that compare to Trump?
Obama had two options because he inherited a massive recession: save those companies or let them die and deal with tens of millions out of work. He made the right choice, even though it sucked. The market has conclusively proven it cannot be trusted to self-regulate. Trickle-down has been proven to not work.

Trump did not inherit a recession at all. He's riding high on growth from the previous administration and his decisions are having negative repercussions already. You jump on the Fox News soundbites like they're gospel, but the mistakes he's making now will take years to recover from.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 28, 2018, 04:18:18 AM
GDP up 4.1 percent. Trump keeping his promises. Seems like everything Trump has done is really paying off.

He's investing in American industry instead of big bankers like Obama.

He defunded the moderate rebels and ISIS has disappeared, as opposed to Obama who couldn't do anything about Isis for years.

His deals with Nato and the EU and backing out of Iran has saved hundreds of billions of dollars. Even CNN can't complain about the GDP.

Is there any other president that has done so much good for America in so little time? Perhaps Trump will end up being the best president ever.

Once he checkmates the deepstate it will be undeniable.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 28, 2018, 10:56:30 AM
(https://i.redd.it/uu7hwb3ivic11.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 28, 2018, 10:57:46 AM
GDP up 4.1 percent. Trump keeping his promises. Seems like everything Trump has done is really paying off.

He's investing in American industry instead of big bankers like Obama.

He defunded the moderate rebels and ISIS has disappeared, as opposed to Obama who couldn't do anything about Isis for years.

His deals with Nato and the EU and backing out of Iran has saved hundreds of billions of dollars. Even CNN can't complain about the GDP.

Is there any other president that has done so much good for America in so little time? Perhaps Trump will end up being the best president ever.

Once he checkmates the deepstate it will be undeniable.



Aside from him antagonizing Iran to distract from his numbers criminal connections, everything you listed is largely due to the previous administration.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 28, 2018, 01:26:48 PM
That's not true. Trump was behind all of the points I listed. The only thing Obama is good for is bailing out bankers, funding isis, and tripling the debt.

So far there is no proof of any criminal wrong doing from Trump.

Responding to Iran's threat is a distraction huh? Would it have been better if he would have let them threaten us with no response?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 28, 2018, 02:06:14 PM
That's not true. Trump was behind all of the points I listed. The only thing Obama is good for is bailing out bankers, funding isis, and tripling the debt.

So far there is no proof of any criminal wrong doing from Trump.

Responding to Iran's threat is a distraction huh? Would it have been better if he would have let them threaten us with no response?
He's definitely not behind the things you listed.


And pretending Trump was responding to aggression from Iran is comical and goes directly against Trump's own words on the matter.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 28, 2018, 02:47:27 PM
Yes he is.

What would you call it when Iran threatened us?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 28, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
Yes he is.

What would you call it when Iran threatened us?
I would call it "You definitely haven't been paying attention to the conversation."
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 28, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
If I didn't know you were a disinformation agent I'd say the same about you
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 28, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
If I didn't know you were a disinformation agent I'd say the same about you
You've been completely ignorant of numerous well known facts directly from Trump's own mouth and actions. There's no way you are objective or correct in your assertions. He's playing you and it's incredibly odd to watch how easily he does it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 28, 2018, 08:45:43 PM
It's funny how you say I'm being manipulated when you're repeating what 90% of the news media is saying. CBS ABC CNN msnbc Washington post new York post and the hill are all anti trump. Msm brainwashing is a powerful tool huh Xerxes.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 28, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Since he's a communist now shouldn't the socialist left like him now?

And does that mean Obama is a communist when he did the bank bail out in 2008?

Obama didn't take office till Jan 20th 2009!

Whenever he did the banks and AIG bailout then. So does that make him a communist?

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 28, 2018, 11:57:58 PM
It's funny how you say I'm being manipulated when you're repeating what 90% of the news media is saying. CBS ABC CNN msnbc Washington post new York post and the hill are all anti trump. Msm brainwashing is a powerful tool huh Xerxes.

Yet! They're more reputable than sights and YouTube's you throw our way. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 29, 2018, 12:14:11 AM
It's funny how you say I'm being manipulated when you're repeating what 90% of the news media is saying. CBS ABC CNN msnbc Washington post new York post and the hill are all anti trump. Msm brainwashing is a powerful tool huh Xerxes.
I'm talking about direct quotes and actions from the administration and Trump himself. If you're not paying attention to these things, you're further behind than I thought.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 29, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
I'm talking about those things as well
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on July 29, 2018, 01:53:59 PM
I'm talking about those things as well
You're definitely not because we've talked about  words and actions of this admin and president that were extremely common knowledge  WORLDWIDE. On those occasions, you either feigned ignorance to spam the board or you had no clue what was happening in the world for the nth time.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 29, 2018, 02:32:55 PM
I disagree
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on July 29, 2018, 04:26:03 PM
I'm talking about those things as well
You're definitely not because we've talked about  words and actions of this admin and president that were extremely common knowledge  WORLDWIDE. On those occasions, you either feigned ignorance to spam the board or you had no clue what was happening in the world for the nth time.

He wasn't able to use his library card at those times to access the interwebz.  That or the jail guards had him on laundry all those times.  But, he knows all about the truth of pizzagate and other mythical claims against the previous admin.   
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Rynox on July 30, 2018, 12:25:32 AM
It's funny how you say I'm being manipulated when you're repeating what 90% of the news media is saying. CBS ABC CNN msnbc Washington post new York post and the hill are all anti trump. Msm brainwashing is a powerful tool huh Xerxes.

(https://i.imgur.com/QV6DdhJ.png)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on July 31, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-wants-to-unilaterally-give-the-rich-another-tax-cut.html

Anyone else not surprised? :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on July 31, 2018, 11:14:14 PM
Good read about fbi collusion against Trump

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion?amp
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on August 01, 2018, 02:07:53 AM
Quote
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

FILE - In this file July 7, 2016, photo then-FBI Director James Comey testifies before the House Oversight Committee to discuss Hillary Clinton's email investigation, at the Capitol in Washington.
Our media’s valiant efforts to distract us notwithstanding, information continues to seep out that underscores how badly a housecleaning is needed in Washington, D.C.

Last week saw the release of the applications used to obtain warrants from the FISA court to spy on Carter Page, an adviser to the Trump presidential campaign. Obtained by Judicial Watch, the 400-plus pages of (heavily redacted) documents support the conclusions earlier drawn by the House Intelligence Committee (and denounced by Democrats as hysteria): the FISA warrants were obtained through obfuscation and deceit.

As various commentators predicted would be proven, the bulk of the information that formed the basis for the FISA warrant applications was the “dossier” of allegations about Donald Trump’s activities in Russia. This dossier was provided to the FBI by British spy Christopher Steele. Steele was hired during the 2016 presidential campaign by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, who was paid by Hillary Clinton’s law firm Perkins Coie, who was paid by the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The allegations were scandalous and completely unverified, in violation of federal statutes and FISA court rules.

In other words, the FBI used oppo research paid for by the Democrats as justification for government spying on a political opponent and other Americans.

But there’s more. In another incredible coincidence, Fusion GPS had hired scholar and professor Nellie Ohr as a “paid Russian expert.” Nellie Ohr happens to be married to Bruce Ohr, deputy attorney general in the Justice Department. Bruce Ohr is alleged to have passed his wife’s anti-Trump research to the FBI. He was demoted for failing to disclose not only his wife’s employment with Fusion GPS, but also his own meetings with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson.

The FISA court was never told any of that. They were never supposed to know. None of us was ever supposed to know.


It gets worse:

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_e...lusion?amp
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Not BAMF on August 01, 2018, 08:43:48 AM
Good read about fbi collusion against Trump

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion?amp

I could swear I just heard someone say there is nothing wrong with collusion...
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 01, 2018, 09:11:55 AM
Good read about fbi collusion against Trump

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion?amp
She must think nobody else in the entire world read FISA documents. This is laughable.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Registered Sex Offender on August 01, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
Quote
https://vault.fbi.gov/d1-release

a 412 page document

Contrary to the impression one would get from the msm, or reading at some sh!thole forum where good comments are reported by truth-haters and deleted, there are actually patriots thoughtfully examining documents and evidence and sharing information,

Page 6 - tells the story "speculation in the media" - which was leaked by the FBi to the media and then they used that for this warrant. What a joke.

Pg 63-65 has our list of usual suspects, they knew about this FISA warrant. Comey, Brennan, Kerry, Clapper, Susan Rice, Ash Carter, Loretta Kynch and Sally Yates.
They're all up to their neck in this scheme, no wonder they've been yelling so loudly about Trump.

How many times they reference 'news articles' as reliable sources for this crap. Then consider how many of those articles were written based on leaks from the very people using them for the warrant. What a circlejerk. These guys were at times, creating the evidence to investigate.


Day & time redacted. Possibly to cover up the fact here are different versions of this document. Obviously, to muddy timelines,

Released on a Summer Saturday by the FBI - a summer weekend...nothing strikes you odd about that? The fbi didn’t want this information out there so they dump it when no one is looking.
___________________ _

Even with the redactions, the FISA warrant verifies everything in the Nunes Memo. It proves that the FISA warrant on Carter Page was, in the words of Representative Nunes, '100% fraudulent'.

The fraud is perpetrated in Footnote 9 (page 15) and Footnote 18 (page 23).

Footnote 9 (page 15) is where the FBI/DOJ circumvents rules of evidence regarding hearsay testimony.

According to the rules of evidence, 'Source #1' can only testify that they have reliably communicated the hearsay testimony they provided. The reliability of 'Source #1' does not extend to the reliability of the hearsay testimony they are providing.

In order for the hearsay testimony to rise to the level of evidence, corroboration of the hearsay testimony would be required. 'Source #1' is Christopher Steele. The hearsay testimony in the Steele dossier regarding illegal activities has never been corroborated.

Furthermore, Footnote 9 includes the following statement: '[T]he FBI is unaware of any derogatory information pertaining to Source #1.' But since the exact date in October of the FISA warrant is redacted, we cannot know the exact day the warrant was submitted. However, as of October 31, 2016, the FBI terminated its 'relationship' with Christopher Steele because he lied to FBI agents regarding talking to the media. We know from internal citations of dates of media reports that the FISA warrant includes media reports from September 26, 2016 (page 26).

Thus, after October 31, 2016 the FBI was aware of 'derogatory information' regarding 'Source #1' but the warrant was never amended and was renewed three more times after that date (January 2017, April 2017, and June 2017).

Which brings us to Footnote 18 (page 23) where the following statement appears: 'The FBI does not believe that Source #1 directly provided information to the press.'

By at least October 31, 2016, the FBI terminated its relationship with Christopher Steele precisely because they determined that he was speaking to 'the press' and lied to the FBI about doing so. Whether or not the FBI/DOJ was aware of Christopher Steele's communications with the media in September 2016, they did know by October 31, 2016, but the warrant was never amended and the warrant was renewed three more times after that date (January 2017, April 2017, and June 2017).

A few more issues.

(1) There is a question as to whether the warrant needed to be issued at all. The normal reason for issuing a warrant for surveillance is that the warrant is required to gather evidence on an individual who is not cooperating with the investigation. However, on page 25, the warrant specifically states that Carter Page contacted the FBI on September 26, 2016 and offered to 'discuss' with the FBI any 'questions' they might have.

(2) On page 13, the warrant discusses Evgeny Buryakov. It appears Buryakov is mentioned to verify attempts by Buryakov and other Russian agents 'to recruit New York City residents as intelligence sources for Russia.' In Footnote 6 (page 14), the warrant notes that Buryakov was tried, plead guilty and received a 30 month sentence for his activities. Omitted from the footnote is the fact that Carter Page -- the target of the warrant -- cooperated with the FBI to gather evidence to convict Buryakov.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 04, 2018, 03:52:47 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2789465-sports-world-reacts-to-donald-trump-ripping-lebron-james-intelligence

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 05, 2018, 08:23:20 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400430-pastor-at-trump-rally-prays-to-shield-trump-from-jungle-journalism

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400433-trump-attacks-reporters-as-enemy-of-the-people-says-they-cause-wars

Am I the only one who thinks someone is seriously going to get hurt at a Trump Rally one day?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on August 05, 2018, 10:52:16 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/celebs-journalists-reacting-president-trumps-tweet-lebron-james-no-ones-happy-172855389.html

So far his daughter and wife against him


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400430-pastor-at-trump-rally-prays-to-shield-trump-from-jungle-journalism

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400433-trump-attacks-reporters-as-enemy-of-the-people-says-they-cause-wars

Am I the only one who thinks someone is seriously going to get hurt at a Trump Rally one day?


our finest news agency weighs in

https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-proudly-stands-with-the-media-as-the-enemy-1828068740
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 05, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
Trump was not temperamentally fit to be President, nor did he have the experience required as an administrator. His entire team was unprepared to govern.

However, I think we've (hopefully) seen the worst of his team's gross incompetence. In fact, Trump seems to be finding his feet in some ways by focusing on issues where he is not wrong: issues about America's place in a world that has changed. America can't really afford to, or sees no reason it should try to, be an Empire in name only, with few of the benefits. Essentially, why should America be the Empire only when the rest of the world wants one, paying the costs, while not getting the tribute and plunder a real Empire would?

Trump's one great strength is that he actually believes he can make significant change in a short period with the relatively weak powers of a President. This could also be his greatest weakness as there are many reasons to doubt this can be done. Furthermore, Trump may or may not be adept at the tactics of actually effecting this change. But he is trying. For all his bullshit, he has a puncher's chance at straightening some things out that nobody thought could/would be straightened out.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on August 05, 2018, 11:24:41 AM
I am not sure he lessening empire. We just added more billions to the millitary, bombing even more countries, and we may get into some shit with Iran. It some VERY hawkish guy on his team

Yea with Russia he nice and may go against Nato(reather that good or bad is up to debate). But other that he as Hawkish as the other president if not more.

And dont think we seen the worst of his incompetence.  The whole kids being reunited with their parents thing. You know part of the reason they having so much trouble. They didnt take a lot of these parents name. That not an ideology thing. That just a simple fuck up. What ever you think of immigration..that a basic fuck up because he rush into it. And that recent

So is his trade thing he fucking up. You need infranstructure before you go that hard
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on August 05, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
Trump was not temperamentally fit to be President, nor did he have the experience required as an administrator. His entire team was unprepared to govern.

However, I think we've (hopefully) seen the worst of his team's gross incompetence. In fact, Trump seems to be finding his feet in some ways by focusing on issues where he is not wrong: issues about America's place in a world that has changed. America can't really afford to, or sees no reason it should try to, be an Empire in name only, with few of the benefits. Essentially, why should America be the Empire only when the rest of the world wants one, paying the costs, while not getting the tribute and plunder a real Empire would?

Trump's one great strength is that he actually believes he can make significant change in a short period with the relatively weak powers of a President. This could also be his greatest weakness as there are many reasons to doubt this can be done. Furthermore, Trump may or may not be adept at the tactics of actually effecting this change. But he is trying. For all his bullshit, he has a puncher's chance at straightening some things out that nobody thought could/would be straightened out.

You're entire last paragraph is objectively wrong.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 05, 2018, 02:24:36 PM
Yeah, I don't see stealing children and caging them as improvement.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 05, 2018, 02:27:14 PM
I'm talking mostly about the big geopolitical stuff: international trade, the NATO alliance, etc. Not so much about immigration.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on August 05, 2018, 10:50:43 PM
I'm talking mostly about the big geopolitical stuff: international trade, the NATO alliance, etc. Not so much about immigration.

His international diplomacy has been abysmal, though.


Oh and I should be banned for misusing "You're." Apologies
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 06, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
I'm talking mostly about the big geopolitical stuff: international trade, the NATO alliance, etc. Not so much about immigration.


You can't be serious.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 06, 2018, 01:13:12 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/08/05/trump-just-made-2-problematic-admissions-about-the-trump-tower-meeting/?noredirect=on

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on August 06, 2018, 06:23:12 PM
How is Trump going to top Woodrow Wilson?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 07, 2018, 08:54:07 AM
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/Trump-Administration-Limit-Citizenship-Legal-Immigrants-490225671.html

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on August 07, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
Trump was not temperamentally fit to be President, nor did he have the experience required as an administrator. His entire team was unprepared to govern.

However, I think we've (hopefully) seen the worst of his team's gross incompetence. In fact, Trump seems to be finding his feet in some ways by focusing on issues where he is not wrong: issues about America's place in a world that has changed. America can't really afford to, or sees no reason it should try to, be an Empire in name only, with few of the benefits. Essentially, why should America be the Empire only when the rest of the world wants one, paying the costs, while not getting the tribute and plunder a real Empire would?

Trump's one great strength is that he actually believes he can make significant change in a short period with the relatively weak powers of a President. This could also be his greatest weakness as there are many reasons to doubt this can be done. Furthermore, Trump may or may not be adept at the tactics of actually effecting this change. But he is trying. For all his bullshit, he has a puncher's chance at straightening some things out that nobody thought could/would be straightened out.

The U.S. is objectively getting plenty of booty and plunder from its imperial status. It's just that Trump, ironically, is angry at that -- that the U.S. is giving away dollars for physical stuff is "losing" somehow. If Trump has his way, the U.S. will be seeing a lot less imported stuff, which will make the population overall less well off. Of course, for the world as a whole, that's not necessarily a bad thing -- but if Trump manages to change trade patterns as he sees it, it's going to impoverish the U.S., with a lot more sweatshop jobs and a lot less cheap stuff from China.

At the same time, the trade balance isn't nearly as bad as numbers indicate; it's just that the numbers conceal some very real issues, particularly related to large multinational companies that keep their profits and money in places where they don't have to pay much taxes at all. Apple is perhaps the finest example of this -- an American company that makes its products with Chinese workers they pay slave wages, sells its products around the world, and stashes the profit in tax paradises. Essentially, that money is American, but it isn't reflected in the balance of trade, because it's sitting in some nebulous legal limbo.

Meanwhile, the biggest problem with trade isn't that the U.S. is losing, it's that the benefits are so poorly distributed -- benefiting mostly the top 10% of the population, and the top 0.01% most of all. And Trump is enacting policies that will make that *worse*, not better, such as the tax cuts, which is basically the richest people robbing the state and hiding behind a smokescreen of some minor temporary cuts to everyone else. Most recently, the Trump administration was actually looking at ways to give the rich even more cuts by means of a regulatory redefinition that doesn't have to go through Congress.

Trump isn't addressing the real issues at all. He's making them worse, robbing the state on behalf of the wealthy while throwing blame everywhere else except where it actually belongs; with the wealthy elite that is turning the U.S. into Brazil or worse.

Of course, that is also par for the course -- Trump made his fortune by making messes and letting other people pay the bills, or by getting massive tax exemptions, essentially siphoning money off of the government and the people. He really doesn't understand business or trade, because, contrary to his image, he was never involved in actual business. He understands how to leech off of others, though.

There is also, of course, his incredibly outdated focus on the industries of the past. Like steel and coal. Meanwhile, the Chinese for one are very focused on moving up the value chain and becoming world leaders in high tech fields like AI and computing, renewable energy and advanced manufacturing, but Trump is doing fuck all to stop that. No, he's being a useful idiot that focuses on 19th century technology, starting trade wars over steel and making sure coal mines can pollute more and kill their workers faster. Which makes it very clear he's an old man who doesn't understand shit about how the world works today, and he probably never did.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 07, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-wilbur-ross-stole-millions-20180807-story.html

Trump only picks the best people to work for him. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 07, 2018, 02:46:09 PM
He wants to bring back ASBESTOS because he thinks it's actually a mafia conspiracy.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 07, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
And maybe because there is a Russian asbestos company that has the Trump brand on it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on August 07, 2018, 03:37:50 PM
He wants to bring back ASBESTOS because he thinks it's actually a mafia conspiracy.

Holllleeeeee shiiiiiiit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: HalloweenJack on August 07, 2018, 05:32:05 PM
I had to look that one up.


Hell's bells.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on August 07, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
That will show those libs
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 07, 2018, 10:36:42 PM
If you or a loved one have misothelioma you might be entitled to compensation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 07, 2018, 11:58:33 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/400838-three-mar-a-lago-insiders-provided-input-on-va-policy-personnel-decisions

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on August 08, 2018, 08:06:34 AM
The U.S. is objectively getting plenty of booty and plunder from its imperial status. It's just that Trump, ironically, is angry at that -- that the U.S. is giving away dollars for physical stuff is "losing" somehow. If Trump has his way, the U.S. will be seeing a lot less imported stuff, which will make the population overall less well off. Of course, for the world as a whole, that's not necessarily a bad thing -- but if Trump manages to change trade patterns as he sees it, it's going to impoverish the U.S., with a lot more sweatshop jobs and a lot less cheap stuff from China.

At the same time, the trade balance isn't nearly as bad as numbers indicate; it's just that the numbers conceal some very real issues, particularly related to large multinational companies that keep their profits and money in places where they don't have to pay much taxes at all. Apple is perhaps the finest example of this -- an American company that makes its products with Chinese workers they pay slave wages, sells its products around the world, and stashes the profit in tax paradises. Essentially, that money is American, but it isn't reflected in the balance of trade, because it's sitting in some nebulous legal limbo.

Meanwhile, the biggest problem with trade isn't that the U.S. is losing, it's that the benefits are so poorly distributed -- benefiting mostly the top 10% of the population, and the top 0.01% most of all. And Trump is enacting policies that will make that *worse*, not better, such as the tax cuts, which is basically the richest people robbing the state and hiding behind a smokescreen of some minor temporary cuts to everyone else. Most recently, the Trump administration was actually looking at ways to give the rich even more cuts by means of a regulatory redefinition that doesn't have to go through Congress.

Trump isn't addressing the real issues at all. He's making them worse, robbing the state on behalf of the wealthy while throwing blame everywhere else except where it actually belongs; with the wealthy elite that is turning the U.S. into Brazil or worse.

Of course, that is also par for the course -- Trump made his fortune by making messes and letting other people pay the bills, or by getting massive tax exemptions, essentially siphoning money off of the government and the people. He really doesn't understand business or trade, because, contrary to his image, he was never involved in actual business. He understands how to leech off of others, though.

There is also, of course, his incredibly outdated focus on the industries of the past. Like steel and coal. Meanwhile, the Chinese for one are very focused on moving up the value chain and becoming world leaders in high tech fields like AI and computing, renewable energy and advanced manufacturing, but Trump is doing fuck all to stop that. No, he's being a useful idiot that focuses on 19th century technology, starting trade wars over steel and making sure coal mines can pollute more and kill their workers faster. Which makes it very clear he's an old man who doesn't understand shit about how the world works today, and he probably never did.

I have studied economics, and trade in particular, as an amateur for many years. The only definitive conclusion I've come to is that economics are incredibly complex, especially on the global scale that currently exists. I am extremely humble in the face of this complexity, and I wish more leaders (Trump included) could publicly share this humility. But humans like certainty from their leaders...

All of your points have merit. GDP is inherently flawed, and the current metrics for trade are also deeply flawed. There are ways in which a trade deficit could be a problem, and ways in which it might not. Nevertheless, on the whole, I do believe that the US current account deficit is a problem as it is currently construed. Mercantilist trade policies are also very dangerous, as you are to a great extent at the mercy of your customers. When the going is good, mercantilism can be very good for a country indeed. There's a reason so many countries pursue such policies. However, at some point the party tends to end, for a variety of reasons. And transforming from an export-based economy to one based on domestic consumption is extremely tricky. If you aren't careful, you can basically undo all the benefits you accrued from years of mercantilism, and you can undo them very quickly over a short, disastrous period. I'm also aware of US hypocrisy on this issue--a hypocrisy the Chinese, who actually study history, are very aware of. When the US needed to to develop, it pretty much did everything to the UK and Europe that China does to the US.

That said, I believe (without undo certainty and while being open to changing my opinion), that the current US trade deficit is a problem. I have no great faith that Trump's approach is the best way to address this issue--it may be the worst. But he is trying. That's something, in my mind.

I also think there is a legitimate debate to be had as to whether the US gets more out of its Imperial status than it puts in to maintaining it.

But all of these are extremely complex issues, and this thread is probably not the best place to go into them all. Or maybe I just lack the gumption at the moment. International trade analysis often makes my head hurt.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 10, 2018, 10:38:20 AM
Y'know, funny thing. I had an old computer and one of my idiot cousins, who had no idea what he was doing, thought he could fix it. The damn thing caught on fire. Sometimes doing something when you have no idea what you are doing or have no plan is even worse.

Anyway back to more current Trump doings.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/09/texas-daca-trump-lawsuit-771014

I wonder what's worse, stealing other people's children or trying to deport your own citizens from the only home they ever knew?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/09/melania-trump-parents-us-citizens-770378

So Chain Migration is bad...except for this? No because family based migration is not.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/10/trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests-771427

Yep.

And I have two questions? WTF has Trump done to deserve a vacation and how is it his vacation seems like he's still not on vacation? :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 10, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/russian-state-tv-warns-trump-say-want-support-elections/#.W22iy4NPHms.twitter

This is the catch 22 of catch 22s. The fact Russian state run media is saying they control Trump is pretty damning. At the same time if you use that in an argument someone can say, "well why do you believe Russian state run media."
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 10, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-threatens-to-suspend-protesting-nfl-players-without-pay

Three key points here.

1: this is a good example of the government trying to violate the 1st amendment

2: last time I checked the president isn't in charge of the NFL so this is either new levels of dumb for him or

3: it's to draw attention away from the Mueller investigation heating up
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 10, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-murphy-yemen-war-school-bus-bombing-2018-8

Or it could be to distract from the US involvement it what certain is not warmongering
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 10, 2018, 05:05:25 PM
Maybe the White House could offer a bribe?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401285-omarosa-says-she-was-offered-hush-money-to-stay-quiet-about-time-at

NFL Player makes valid point about Trump not being upset a frickin' white nationalist rally being held in DC.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401248-nfl-player-blasts-trump-for-speaking-out-against-player

Yes, it really is a burden protecting animals so they exist.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/401250-trump-administration-calls-current-endangered-species-protections-a

And just so you don't forget everyone in the Trump administration is horrible...

https://www.businessinsider.com/wilbur-ross-120-million-grift-allegations-in-bombshell-forbes-report-2018-8

Again, if Obama did one thing in this message or hell, this topic, he would be dragged out and beaten with rocks by The Republicans.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 11, 2018, 10:59:24 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pc-case-maker-caselabs-latest-news-bankrupt-liquidated-us-tariffs-a8487416.html

Caselabs files for bankruptcy due to tariffs.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 12, 2018, 02:01:40 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/401400-bikers-for-trump-founder-says-he-sells-trump-shirts-made-in-haiti

Eh, I just think it's funny.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/11/trump-fbi-sessions-manafort-justice-department-ohr-773546

Don't feel bad for Sessions...he's human garbage. Also he gets to discriminate against races and religions to his heart content and all he as to do is tolerate the temper tantrums of an orange manchild.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 13, 2018, 01:19:19 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/401501-mattis-defends-reversing-his-stance-on-trumps-space-force

Nothing can stop SPAAAACEEE FOOOORCCCEEE

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 13, 2018, 08:14:06 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/omarosa-manigault-newman-releases-purported-recording-of-her-white-house-firing/2018/08/12/004d7cc6-9e46-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?noredirect=on

Maybe there is a tape about SPPPPPAAACCCEEE FOR--holy crap what did the Russians get when they visited the white house if security is that bad?!?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on August 13, 2018, 12:36:50 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/omarosa-manigault-newman-releases-purported-recording-of-her-white-house-firing/2018/08/12/004d7cc6-9e46-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?noredirect=on

Maybe there is a tape about SPPPPPAAACCCEEE FOR--holy crap what did the Russians get when they visited the white house if security is that bad?!?


Seriouly ANY other president...people would be going nuts they keeps neaking this many recordings

Not even saying if this was Hillary or Obama (which would result with trump burning down the whitehouse
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 13, 2018, 01:33:41 PM
Stuff happens when one party sells out all their morals and betrays every single one of their principles.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401536-trump-lashes-out-at-wacky-omarosa

See, if he had just a shred of maturity, this would all die down in about a few days. But because he's a manchild...here we go.

And about the FBI guy getting fired. That's crap. So he sent anti-Trump messages to a friend? So. Quick survey, who here has had to work with or work under someone they didn't like and still did it? I'm pretty sure just about everyone on the planet. And do you know why you can not like someone and still do your best job--BECAUSE YOU'RE AN ADULT!

Maturity. Something Trump wouldn't know about.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on August 13, 2018, 03:01:19 PM
sure anyone who said something anti about Hillary Obama or any other dem being let go to
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 13, 2018, 06:26:56 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401622-trump-hits-the-media-in-speech-to-troops

Because he can't not be a total a-hole.

And for the record, the economy is glacier. It takes about three or four years to see any changes brought on by a new administration.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on August 13, 2018, 11:02:43 PM
Trump team wants to let payday lenders rip off military service members

https://shareblue.com/trump-cfpb-mulvaney-payday-lenders-rip-off-military/

Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau works hard to fail at its job of protecting consumers — and now it's failing our military service members.

Trump’s Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) plans to abandon its most effective means of protecting military service members from being ripped off by payday lenders — part of Trump budget chief Mick Mulvaney’s mission to gut the agency from the inside.

According to The New York Times, a CFPB draft proposal shows that Mulvaney, the agency’s interim director, wants to scrap proactive oversight and enforcement of the Military Lending Act.

Mulvaney’s plan calls for the CFPB to stop performing “supervisory examinations,” which proactively look for patterns of abuse by lenders against members of the military.

Former CFPB officials told The Times that these examinations are the agency’s “most powerful tool for proactively uncovering abuses and patterns of illegal practices by companies suspected of wrongdoing.”

VoteVets, a veterans organization with over half a million members, slammed the move in a statement to Shareblue Media.

“This is Donald Trump giving a huge smile and thumbs up to slimy payday lenders ripping off our troops. There is no depth to which this guy won’t go to help lowlifes make money, at the expense of honorable Americans,” said Will Fischer, director of government relations at VoteVets.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 14, 2018, 07:49:44 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401693-trump-fires-back-at-omarosa-good-work-by-kelly-for-firing-that-dog

To be fair, I thought he'd say something worse.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401807-white-house-cant-guarantee-no-tape-of-trump-using-n-word

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401799-white-house-calls-it-common-for-government-employees-to-sign-ndas



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on August 14, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
Which version of the n-word did he use is what I want to know. Hard r? Ga? Old-timey -gra? Social media niqqa?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 14, 2018, 11:44:06 PM
I'd be extremely surprised if he wasn't the hard-r kind of racist.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 16, 2018, 08:48:10 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/15/trump-pulls-security-clearance-of-ex-cia-director-brennan-778791

Take that guy who helped end Bin Laden. You think you were going to get off by Trump. Trump is so petty he wouldn't even name McCain in the defense bill named after him and then insulted him later--he's a war hero dying of cancer!


http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/business/ct-biz-illinois-layoffs-stack-on-tariffs-0815-biz-20180814-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=14

Okay, now we need to build a wall to keep people in america! Good work, Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 23, 2018, 04:01:51 AM
Okay quick recap

Trump took the intelligence clearance of some guy because he said bad things about Trump, Manafort got found guilty on eight counts of federal crimes, Cohen turned himself in and is going to give dirt on Trump...and Cohen is horrible and Manafort deserves a pardon going by the Fox interview.

I forget anything?

https://411mania.com/movies/donald-trump-starts-petition-get-espn-play-national-anthem-monday-night-football/

Oh yeah. Typical BS distractions.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 28, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/trump-news-google-search-results-twitter-rigged-us-president-a8510736.html

Tldr:
(http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/g/2016/06/old-man-yells-at-cloud.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 28, 2018, 10:37:39 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-violence-gop-loses-midterm-elections-control-of-house-2018-8

Tldr: Trump told Christian conservatives Dem/libs are violent people.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 29, 2018, 09:42:46 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/business/housing-prices-tax-law.html

Yeah, that's what everyone said before they did the stupid tax plan. Well, at least we have our health...

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/404089-gop-eyes-another-shot-at-obamacare-repeal-after-mccains-death

Because we can't even live marginally well.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/trump-andrew-gillum-ron-desantis-florida-election-801420

You better believe a black person winning is not going to go unchecked with Trump!  Not when poor white south africans are suffering.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on August 30, 2018, 03:23:52 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/business/housing-prices-tax-law.html

Yeah, that's what everyone said before they did the stupid tax plan. Well, at least we have our health...

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/404089-gop-eyes-another-shot-at-obamacare-repeal-after-mccains-death

Because we can't even live marginally well.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/trump-andrew-gillum-ron-desantis-florida-election-801420

You better believe a black person winning is not going to go unchecked with Trump!  Not when poor white south africans are suffering.



Seems that's white nationalist propaganda regarding South Africa.  Many people have responded to Trump's claim regarding that. 
And when did we Annex south Africa?  And where was Trump when Black south Africans were being slaughtered for their lands?  Probably avoiding his std landmines.   
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 30, 2018, 03:34:46 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404300-trump-has-personally-discussed-firing-sessions-with-senators-report

It's weird because...Sessions should be fired. He's a corrupt evil racist--but Trump wants to fire him for the only good thing he did: Mueller.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/trump-says-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn-to-exit-in-the-fall-801587

Man, for a guy who is know as the "You're fired" guy, he sure does love taking the wuss way out and firing people over twitter.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 30, 2018, 03:43:10 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/07/30/trump-intervenes-fbi-headquarters-project/?noredirect=on

I love how he doesn't even bother hiding how evil and corrupt he is. I guess if I was an outlaw and entire law enforcement of a town was my kin, I'd go nuts too.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 30, 2018, 01:25:36 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404300-trump-has-personally-discussed-firing-sessions-with-senators-report

It's weird because...Sessions should be fired. He's a corrupt evil racist--but Trump wants to fire him for the only good thing he did: Mueller.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/trump-says-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn-to-exit-in-the-fall-801587

Man, for a guy who is know as the "You're fired" guy, he sure does love taking the wuss way out and firing people over twitter.

He also only talks shit about Jeff Sessions on Twitter and to other people. He doesn't say the stuff to Jeff's face because Trump is a known coward.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on August 31, 2018, 01:27:38 AM
Oh I know that. That's just behind "crybaby" in words the describe Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/mcccain-trump-washington-indiana-rally-805492

I love how those nimrod Trump Supporters go "Lock Her Up" When it's people from the Trump orbit who are all going to jail. Hopefully a certain orange racist and his traitor kid.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-pay-raises-federal-workers-804574

Saving up so he can have that military parade he always wanted.

And earlier Trump said China hacked Hillary's server. The FBI said no...so Trump wants to get his hands in the Justice Department. Well that and for all his other crimes and evil deeds he's done.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 02, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/01/politics/papadopoulos-sessions-putin-campaign-meeting/index.html

Anyone know what sentence perjury has, I can't seem to recall. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 03, 2018, 09:30:24 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/03/trumps-worker-safety-regulations-protections-unions-806008

It's amazing I can post an article like this and know Trump is horrible for what he's done--and yet it's like a one or two on the Trump scale at best.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 03, 2018, 08:38:17 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/international/404796-netanyahu-asked-trump-admin-to-halt-funding-or-un-palestinian-refugee

From one evil SOB who sponges off his people to another.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/03/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-tweet-806298

I don't get why people think he's obstructed justice with tweets like this. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on September 04, 2018, 05:54:33 PM
Trumps convo with Bob Woodward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW5B_1OafO0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 04, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404933-woodward-gary-cohn-pulled-letters-off-trumps-desk-withdrawing-us-from

I don't know if this is illegal but it is certainly hilarious.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on September 05, 2018, 11:26:33 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404933-woodward-gary-cohn-pulled-letters-off-trumps-desk-withdrawing-us-from

I don't know if this is illegal but it is certainly hilarious.

It's probably illegal, but he probably just stole the letters where Trump ordered an investigation of the mail theft in his office too.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on September 05, 2018, 11:32:38 AM
Quote
“We must maintain efforts to put our nation on a fiscally sustainable course, and federal agency budgets cannot sustain such increases,” the president wrote in a letter to congressional leaders.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-pay-raises-federal-workers-804574

I thought this story was hilarious. First, hooj massive tax cuts, tremendous, going to get the economy going. But now it's time to balance the budget, because there's this massive fiscal hole in it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 06, 2018, 04:35:06 AM
So he nearly ended a trade deal with South Korea (which someone had to steal from his desk to stop him...and he forgot because he's as dumb as he's petty)

And he wanted to assassinate someone with Matthis just ignoring him.

And then there's this.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/05/trump-official-comes-out-against-the-president-in-anonymous-times-op-ed-808714

I don't know what could be worse for Trump then all this news of a resistance inside the white house. Oh wait. I know.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/05/trumpnikekaepernick-ad-807177

Yeah this. A black man with a message for social justice getting a Nike deal!!

And to all those morons who are burning and cutting your nike shoes and socks.

1. You already bought them. They have your money.

2. You're just idiots. I mean, point one should have emphazied that for you, but...you're dumb. Really dumb. I just need to make sure you get how dumb you are. You're dumb. Wait. UR Dum. There that should do it.

3. While Nike has this going on, Catholic priests have been molesting children. Maybe we could do something about that? I don't know. Oh wait. I forgot, when the kid's born, conservatives no longer care. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 06, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/06/donald-trump-inauguration-crowd-size-photos-edited

You'd think he'd be used to small things at this point.

Oh yeah. Trump is doing a rally tonight so...brag about winning election, Crooked Hillary, idiot jackasses chant "lock her up" even though everyone on their side are the ones going to jail, Trump will say something racist probably since football season is starting. Also "fake news" and something about Obama probably.

He might take a swipe at McCain because most human beings wouldn't.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 06, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Brett Kavanaugh referred to birth control as an abortion inducing drug during his confirmation hearing.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on September 07, 2018, 01:13:03 AM
Brett Kavanaugh referred to birth control as an abortion inducing drug during his confirmation hearing.

If the Senators from Maine and Alaska are true to the spirit of their words, that should be it for him.

Not holding my breath though.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 07, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/07/obama-says-trump-has-pushed-america-to-a-pivotal-moment-810650

Wow. I almost forgot what it was like having a leader...well, just a leader.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 08, 2018, 12:27:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/americas/donald-trump-venezuela-military-coup.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fpolitics&action=click&contentCollection=politics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront

I was told Trump wasn't a warmonger?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on September 08, 2018, 12:40:06 PM
Never got the not a war mongering thing

Yes he said some anti stuff in a speech or two. But I can only buy the not a warmonger thing is if after he said that, people immedetedly shut off the TV, blindfolded your eyes, and plug your ears, and then move into a cave the whole election

because if they waited like 5 minutes into sometimes the same speech..he would say some of most hawkish shit ever

I mean he said

Bomb the shit out of them
Take their oil- How the fuck you going to take their oil Donald
Rip up the iran deal
Said we shouldnt have gotten out iraq
Go after people familes
Ask why cant we used
Bring back torture and worst
Wouldnt rule out nukes

I get people dont have time to look up his past statment...but this a lot of the time in the same speech where he says somethign Dovish

Like when he said he would draw down. But also said He going to wipe out Isis...in a week. Well that would include some drawing up of the attack. Watch that and was like "Oh he full of shit then"

And that  was not searching through hours and hours of stuff. That was a contradiction was like span of a minute.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 08, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/405682-plaid-shirt-guy-ejected-from-trump-rally-says-secret-service

Secret Service removes a guy from a Trump rally because his facial expressions were wrong.

If you watch it they also try to sneak in a perking blonde crisis actor behind him later.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on September 08, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/405682-plaid-shirt-guy-ejected-from-trump-rally-says-secret-service

Secret Service removes a guy from a Trump rally because his facial expressions were wrong.

If you watch it they also try to sneak in a perking blonde crisis actor behind him later.

This is what they’re supposed to do.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 08, 2018, 06:10:52 PM
You think the SS is supposed to kick people out of rallies for the facial gestures?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on September 08, 2018, 06:39:54 PM
They’re supposed to protect the President’s safety, and that includes shielding him from anyone who seems to be acting out of the ordinary, so yeah, if a person at one of his rallies is behaving in a manner not consistent with the standard attendee it’s not surprising that they’d move him away from the President. Not just to prevent a violent attack, but any activity that could be a threat to the President in any way.

“But that’s crazy! They’re being paranoid!”

Well, yeah. They’re the Secret Service. It’s their job to be a bit paranoid. The guy wasn’t just making faces, either, he was also wearing a sticker with the symbol for the DSA. They’re being cautious.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 08, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
They didn't just move him away from the president. They kicked him out. And at what point did being part of the DSA make you a threat? If he was wearing a DNC sticker should he still be treated as a threat?

I agree it is the SS to remove people considered a threat but if facial expressions and stickers are the line for being considered a threat then.

A: The president is thin skinned and paranoid
B: The president's message is completely off the reservation if everyone else is a threat
C: The president is trying to control how the crowd looks during his speech.
D: All of the above.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on September 08, 2018, 07:34:50 PM
I’m not disagreeing about the President being thin-skinned. All I’m saying is the Secret Service being proactive about removing someone who is acting out of the ordinary from the presence of the President would not surprise me, and is part of their job. And yes, making funny faces and wearing a DSA sticker at a Trump rally is out of the ordinary. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this guy was removed before Trump realized he was even there.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on September 09, 2018, 10:56:54 PM
They’re supposed to protect the President’s safety, and that includes shielding him from anyone who seems to be acting out of the ordinary, so yeah, if a person at one of his rallies is behaving in a manner not consistent with the standard attendee it’s not surprising that they’d move him away from the President. Not just to prevent a violent attack, but any activity that could be a threat to the President in any way.

“But that’s crazy! They’re being paranoid!”

Well, yeah. They’re the Secret Service. It’s their job to be a bit paranoid. The guy wasn’t just making faces, either, he was also wearing a sticker with the symbol for the DSA. They’re being cautious.

So,  what Mtl is saying is that if you're not behaving like raving mad butt-munchers, that have a flag colored dildo pile-driving themselves in the back 40, then you're probably not welcome at a Trump Rally. 

And if acting strange is a qualifier then they should remove everyone at his rallies.  We could then have a sad Trump meme! 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 10, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
Trump claimed today he has a magic wand, but doesn't know the difference between 3 and 12.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on September 10, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
He also doesn't realize that quote wasn't from Obama. Obama was talking about manufacturing jobs, not the GDP.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on September 11, 2018, 09:58:11 AM
THE ECONOMY IS GREAT GUYS.

Just don't look at the debt, deficit, inflation, average wages over time, the failing wars, the failing mass surveillance, or the endless corruption and investigations.

Controversial opinion time: The tax cuts are a good idea ONLY in conjunction with cutting spending. Otherwise, tax cuts are stupid. Example, imagine a household making 100,000 a year. They open a credit card and spend 300,000 a year. They APPEAR to be doing well, but are they? In reality, they are screwing their future for the short-term.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Not BAMF on September 11, 2018, 10:09:06 AM
The economy is great except when we want a reason to cut the pay of federal workers, then we have to because the economy is so bad.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 13, 2018, 03:56:07 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/12/us/politics/us-mexico-deportation-funds.html

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 13, 2018, 01:13:51 PM
THE ECONOMY IS GREAT GUYS.

Just don't look at the debt, deficit, inflation, average wages over time, the failing wars, the failing mass surveillance, or the endless corruption and investigations.

Controversial opinion time: The tax cuts are a good idea ONLY in conjunction with cutting spending. Otherwise, tax cuts are stupid. Example, imagine a household making 100,000 a year. They open a credit card and spend 300,000 a year. They APPEAR to be doing well, but are they? In reality, they are screwing their future for the short-term.

I don't think that's very controversial. Most people would love to see spending cut. The problem is no one fan agree where to cut it. And by no one I mean the voters.

The reps have convinced a significant amount of people it is social programs that are the problem when anyone with half a brain realize it's all the unnecessary military spending. But if you dare say that people will twist it into you saying your trying to hurt our soldiers and just shout over you.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on September 13, 2018, 01:45:43 PM
Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
15m15 minutes ago

3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
4m4 minutes ago

.....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040217897703026689
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040220855400386560


JFC!! This dude smh
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on September 13, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
fir the military cuts I wish they explain what there cutting in the military then force the other side why need cold war era tanks that the military keep asking us to stop making
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 13, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
15m15 minutes ago

3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
4m4 minutes ago

.....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040217897703026689
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1040220855400386560


JFC!! This dude smh

#alphaasfuck
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on September 13, 2018, 05:48:17 PM
THE ECONOMY IS GREAT GUYS.

Just don't look at the debt, deficit, inflation, average wages over time, the failing wars, the failing mass surveillance, or the endless corruption and investigations.

Controversial opinion time: The tax cuts are a good idea ONLY in conjunction with cutting spending. Otherwise, tax cuts are stupid. Example, imagine a household making 100,000 a year. They open a credit card and spend 300,000 a year. They APPEAR to be doing well, but are they? In reality, they are screwing their future for the short-term.

Well, Trump is on it! He declared that federal wages would be frozen and changed to be performance-based, arguing that it would be necessary to do so to balance the budget.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-pay-raises-federal-workers-804574
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on September 15, 2018, 04:08:38 AM
THE ECONOMY IS GREAT GUYS.

Just don't look at the debt, deficit, inflation, average wages over time, the failing wars, the failing mass surveillance, or the endless corruption and investigations.

Controversial opinion time: The tax cuts are a good idea ONLY in conjunction with cutting spending. Otherwise, tax cuts are stupid. Example, imagine a household making 100,000 a year. They open a credit card and spend 300,000 a year. They APPEAR to be doing well, but are they? In reality, they are screwing their future for the short-term.

Well, Trump is on it! He declared that federal wages would be frozen and changed to be performance-based, arguing that it would be necessary to do so to balance the budget.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-pay-raises-federal-workers-804574

Having worked in govt. & having a girlfriend currently in federal.  Issue is it can be subjective as Fuck!  She's dealt with it also & has gone after them in regards to it.   They'd score her to low.   And they tend to score certain areas higher.   Favoritism is an issue too.
Title: Trump's EPA proposes weaker methane rules for oil and gas wells
Post by: Imperial on September 16, 2018, 12:40:43 AM
Increasing Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere is not enough. They have to take spite and destruction several levels higher.

 
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(Reuters) - The Trump administration on Tuesday proposed weakening requirements for testing and repairing methane leaks in drilling operations, among other measures, in a step toward rolling back an Obama-era policy to combat climate change.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said the changes will save the industry $75 million a year in regulatory costs between 2019 and 2025, while increasing methane emissions.

Methane, the primary component of natural gas, leaks from oil and gas wells during drilling. It accounts for 10 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions and has more than 80 times the heat-trapping potential of carbon dioxide in the first 20 years after it escapes into the atmosphere.

Under the new proposal methane gas emissions will increase by a total 380,000 short tons between 2019 and 2025 compared with the EPA’s 2018 baseline estimate. Obama’s updates to the EPA’s New Source Performance Standards envisioned preventing emissions of 300,000 short tons of methane in 2020, rising to preventing 510,000 short tons of methane emissions in 2025.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 18, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Been a while so what has happened...

Manafort is going to cooperate with Mueller and made a deal.

While Carolina was flooding and people were suffering, President Orange Idiot was tweeting about PR and his Orange Idiot Jr was talking about conspiracies about Anderson Cooper.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/18/china-trump-trade-war-tariffs-794392

Yep. Still doing this and this one is going to affect everyone.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/17/trump-declassification-fisa-documents-comey-texts-826304

Nunes Memo 2.0.

Oh, and it looks like Trump's supreme court nominee may have gotten drunk with some friends and assaulted a girl at a party. Well, now I definitely see what Trump likes about him.

And more environmental regulations shot to hell.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 18, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
The flaws of Trump are so obvious that I think reasonable people should now start on the other side: what is RIGHT about Trump?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 18, 2018, 11:32:53 AM
I've asked that EXACT question and it always comes back to Hillary and/or Obama. I've never seen a reasoned defense or support of Trump or his actions that didn't include an unnecessary tirade about them.


If you can't support an idea or person on their own merits, you're just grasping at straws out of willful ignorance and insecurity.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 18, 2018, 11:49:39 AM
If, in the indefinite future, we look at Trump, I think, provisionally, the best thing about him will be that he started to look at China as just another country.
It's understandable that China wants to rise. But to the extent that it wants to rise against our interests, why should we help them? And I say that as someone who LIVES in China now.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 18, 2018, 11:54:56 AM
If, in the indefinite future, we look at Trump, I think, provisionally, the best thing about him will be that he started to look at China as just another country.
It's understandable that China wants to rise. But to the extent that it wants to rise against our interests, why should we help them? And I say that as someone who LIVES in China now.
Looking at any country as "just another country" is extremely short-sighted. Looking at CHINA that way is objectively stupid.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 18, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
I've asked that EXACT question and it always comes back to Hillary and/or Obama. I've never seen a reasoned defense or support of Trump or his actions that didn't include an unnecessary tirade about them.


If you can't support an idea or person on their own merits, you're just grasping at straws out of willful ignorance and insecurity.

The only thing I've seen people tote as positive about Trump is that he says what's on his mind. But that's not a positive trait. At best it's a neutral trait.

And it seems like the only people who consider that as a positive are people who dont spend and don't want to spend more brain energy on any innitial knee jerk thought.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 18, 2018, 12:11:11 PM
I've asked that EXACT question and it always comes back to Hillary and/or Obama. I've never seen a reasoned defense or support of Trump or his actions that didn't include an unnecessary tirade about them.


If you can't support an idea or person on their own merits, you're just grasping at straws out of willful ignorance and insecurity.

The only thing I've seen people tote as positive about Trump is that he says what's on his mind. But that's not a positive trait. At best it's a neutral trait.

And it seems like the only people who consider that as a positive are people who dont spend and don't want to spend more brain energy on any innitial knee jerk thought.
Apparently, people who use that argument get upset if they're immediately called stupid and ugly and suddenly "name-calling is childish and accomplishes nothing!"

What a fucking SURPRISE, dipshits!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 18, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Yeah also you can see how thin skinned people are when you try to engage them in a conversation and they have to think through their innitial thought. Just look at Trump's, "then who is doing all the raping" comment. Instead of taking a second to try and give his comments a little more nuance he got angry and double downed.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 20, 2018, 08:05:05 AM
Looking at any country as "just another country" is extremely short-sighted. Looking at CHINA that way is objectively stupid.

I expressed this poorly. What I meant was that since (and before) WTO entry, the West (and the USA in particular) has taken it easy on China. The basic idea was that if we let China abuse the rules, they would eventually become more democratic and more 'like us'. The value proposition was that this would cost us in the short-to-mid term, but ultimately save tons of money by avoiding a second Cold War type situation, which is of course extremely expensive as well as dangerous.
Well, it looks like that strategy did not pan out; so now it's time to take a different approach.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 20, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
Looking at any country as "just another country" is extremely short-sighted. Looking at CHINA that way is objectively stupid.

I expressed this poorly. What I meant was that since (and before) WTO entry, the West (and the USA in particular) has taken it easy on China. The basic idea was that if we let China abuse the rules, they would eventually become more democratic and more 'like us'. The value proposition was that this would cost us in the short-to-mid term, but ultimately save tons of money by avoiding a second Cold War type situation, which is of course extremely expensive as well as dangerous.
Well, it looks like that strategy did not pan out; so now it's time to take a different approach.
That conflicts with what you were saying before. Trump's policies directly help China grow their economy and their diplomatic relations with other countries. They're more than happy to fill in the gap on the bridges Trump is desperately burning because of his insecurities and ignorance. He's genuinely surprised you can't just threaten to bomb people who don't comply with your wishes.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 20, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
We'll see. Trump has the right idea here, but given Trump be Trump, his may turn out to leave a lot to be desired. He could end up doing the right thing in such a bad way that it would have been better to do nothing at all.
And I can't even put the good stuff all on Trump. History is re-starting again. Even without Trump, it was probably just a matter of time before the USA gave up on treating China with kid gloves, even if we'd had another President.
I'm Canadian and we love to pretend we hate the US, but it's childish. For all the world's complaining about US dominance, there has long been a legitimate question as to whether the US gets as much as it gives in running the world; and I'm sure other President's would have had to face that question, too. Perhaps later than Trump, but maybe with better execution.
Look, I have a huge contrarian streak. It can be a weakness. I'm not trying to defend the Trump presidency on the whole. It's just that at this point there have been so many obvious things to criticize that I find the more interesting question to be "what, if anything, has been GOOD about Trump's Presidency?".
It's more than possible that "Nothing!" really is the answer, but I feel it's a question worth answering. I mean even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 20, 2018, 11:38:25 AM
We'll see. Trump has the right idea here, but given Trump be Trump, his may turn out to leave a lot to be desired. He could end up doing the right thing in such a bad way that it would have been better to do nothing at all.
And I can't even put the good stuff all on Trump. History is re-starting again. Even without Trump, it was probably just a matter of time before the USA gave up on treating China with kid gloves, even if we'd had another President.
I'm Canadian and we love to pretend we hate the US, but it's childish. For all the world's complaining about US dominance, there has long been a legitimate question as to whether the US gets as much as it gives in running the world; and I'm sure other President's would have had to face that question, too. Perhaps later than Trump, but maybe with better execution.
Look, I have a huge contrarian streak. It can be a weakness. I'm not trying to defend the Trump presidency on the whole. It's just that at this point there have been so many obvious things to criticize that I find the more interesting question to be "what, if anything, has been GOOD about Trump's Presidency?".
It's more than possible that "Nothing!" really is the answer, but I feel it's a question worth answering. I mean even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Why are you saying "We'll see." Like it isn't happening right now? You can see it with Japan, Australia, Brazil, the EU, MULTIPLE African Nations...

His policies are BAD for long term success, just like they've been bad for businesses named after him for the past 40 years.

I honestly don't care if you defend Trump. As much as he fucks up, I am positive there are some good things somewhere in his administration. Getting NATO to contribute more is one of them, but vilifying and alienating them will have long term repercussions Russia and China will GLADLY capitalize on.

So long as it doesn't come back to something about Obama and or Hillary(for the billionth time), I'm actually searching for more people with reasoned defenses of his policies.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on September 20, 2018, 11:54:48 AM
He's definitely the dumbest. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6183915/Trump-mocked-saying-Hurricane-Florence-wettest-weve-seen-standpoint-water.html

"...Trump has been mocked after saying that Hurricane Florence was 'one of the wettest we have seen from the standpoint of water'."
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 20, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
The best words
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 20, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
I'm saying these things are hard to judge IMO. Will NATO really contribute more in the end? I don't know. If they do contribute more, was Trump's bombastic approach necessary? We may never know. Trade needed to be tackled, for sure. Did Trump need to pick a fight with everyone, at the same fucking time, I don't know.
I'm not bringing up Obama or Hillary. I'm not even sure what they have to do with this, though I haven't followed the entire thread. Anyways, I'm not really up for a higher octane, aggro-style debate. There's a lot of complexity in trade, economics, and geopolitics; and I'm feeling pretty humbled by it. Nobody has perfect information, and we have much less than those in the know. So for me, I'm waiting to see.
But it's time for nations to gut check and decide where their true interests lie, and to sort out priorities when they have competing interests. I don't think Western Europe or Japan want China to dominate AI, Robotics, or any other of the industries they plan to try to dominate with their China 2025 plan.
And it's time for the major players to reassess what kind of rules we really want to play by; or do we throw out the rulebook altogether? There's something to be said for the strengths of decentralized, bottom-up capitalism over the centralized, state-run approach. But we can't take it on blind faith that the US approach will automatically win out in any situation, especially with the potential stakes of winning the AI race being so high.
Chinese companies are arms of the state. They rarely do anything that is not in China's long-term interest, or at least what China thinks is in their interest. Meanwhile, US companies not only go against the US interest, but they even go against their own long-term interests just to make a nice quarter and pump the CEO's bonus. Even our allies, Japan and South Korea, are neo-mercantilist in their own way, and their companies coordinate more with their governments. And Germany thinks it can export 50% of it's GDP while Southern Europe burns, trapped by the bonds of their own stupidity due to having joined the Euro.
Russia's on the way down, but they can cause a lot of pain as they flounder, though I'm not sure they will ever really be able to fully cooperate with the Chinese.
Maybe we don't need a NATO, a Euro, or an EU. Maybe it's time for new arrangements. History is on the march again.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 20, 2018, 12:05:42 PM
I'm saying these things are hard to judge IMO. Will NATO really contribute more in the end? I don't know. If they do contribute more, was Trump's bombastic approach necessary? We may never know. Trade needed to be tackled, for sure. Did Trump need to pick a fight with everyone, at the same fucking time, I don't know.
I'm not bringing up Obama or Hillary. I'm not even sure what they have to do with this, though I haven't followed the entire thread. Anyways, I'm not really up for a higher octane, aggro-style debate. There's a lot of complexity in trade, economics, and geopolitics; and I'm feeling pretty humbled by it. Nobody has perfect information, and we have much less than those in the know. So for me, I'm waiting to see.
But it's time for nations to gut check and decide where their true interests lie, and to sort out priorities when they have competing interests. I don't think Western Europe or Japan want China to dominate AI, Robotics, or any other of the industries they plan to try to dominate with their China 2025 plan.
And it's time for the major players to reassess what kind of rules we really want to play by; or do we throw out the rulebook altogether? There's something to be said for the strengths of decentralized, bottom-up capitalism over the centralized, state-run approach. But we can't take it on blind faith that the US approach will automatically win out in any situation, especially with the potential stakes of winning the AI race being so high.
Chinese companies are arms of the state. They rarely do anything that is not in China's long-term interest, or at least what China thinks is in their interest. Meanwhile, US companies not only go against the US interest, but they even go against their own long-term interests just to make a nice quarter and pump the CEO's bonus. Even our allies, Japan and South Korea, are neo-mercantilist in their own way, and their companies coordinate more with their governments. And Germany thinks it can export 50% of it's GDP while Southern Europe burns, trapped by the bonds of their own stupidity due to having joined the Euro.
Russia's on the way down, but they can cause a lot of pain as they flounder, though I'm not sure they will ever really be able to fully cooperate with the Chinese.
Maybe we don't need a NATO, a Euro, or an EU. Maybe it's time for new arrangements. History is on the march again.

Why the fuck would you type out an essay that equates to "_____, but I don't know" over and over?

If you don't want to discuss something, don't discuss it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 21, 2018, 01:11:53 AM
I felt there were lots of areas to discuss in my post, just not many to debate with absolute certainty. At any rate, clearly my current mood and contributions (or non-contributions, as you say) are not suited to the mood and approach of this thread. So I'll move on for now.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 24, 2018, 02:02:59 AM
Huh. Apparently Trump told the PM of Spain he should build a wall...for the Sahara Desert.

...Yeah, I don't have a problem with Rosenstein wanting to wear a wire--Trump is insane!!! Not to mention quite possibly the most evil person to ever be president. :)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/22/poor-immigrants-green-cards-trump-836456

Yep. Because he has minorities. How sad is it I read this and go, "well, it's better than locking up children or throwing out refugees who have lost their home?"

https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/408033-grassley-panel-will-attempt-to-evaluate-new-kavanaugh-allegations

Damn Democrats. It's the Republican's job to withhold information. This is getting in the way of Grassley tweeting about the History Channel not having enough History on it. Seriously. He does that.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 24, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/408062-john-oliver-trump-tweet-attacking-kavanaugh-accuser-was-one-of-the

Anyone surprised he would tweet something like this? :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 25, 2018, 12:51:28 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-laughed-united-nations-un-1137481

Nothing more alpha than having world laugh at you.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on September 25, 2018, 01:10:55 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-laughed-united-nations-un-1137481

Nothing more alpha than having world laugh at you.

Please tell me it's only Trump who goes up on stage to boast about their own country. If we're going to pay into the United Nations shouldn't the only goal to be to resolve conflict around the world?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 25, 2018, 01:55:15 PM
He didn't boast about the country. He boasted about himself and his administration. He's been preaching to the choir for so long he forgot he wasn't at one of own rallies.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 25, 2018, 01:56:14 PM
Also getting on stage and talking about how great you are isn't going to resolve any world problems.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 25, 2018, 06:06:53 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/408285-trump-blasts-democrats-for-playing-a-con-game-with-kavanaugh

Because cause attacking victims is what we want in presidents.

And I don't know what he's upset about. That human piece of crap McConnell will confirm their stupid pick because he'd give the devil a blowjob and spit on baby Jesus if it meant he could get his way.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on September 25, 2018, 06:35:04 PM
Also getting on stage and talking about how great you are isn't going to resolve any world problems.

On the contrary, it helps unite the world in a good, hearty laughter. Everyone came together in a beautiful, global moment.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Rufio on September 26, 2018, 09:50:09 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/408285-trump-blasts-democrats-for-playing-a-con-game-with-kavanaugh

Because cause attacking victims is what we want in presidents.

And I don't know what he's upset about. That human piece of crap McConnell will confirm their stupid pick because he'd give the devil a blowjob and spit on baby Jesus if it meant he could get his way.

Trump is a shitshow as always.

But why are you assuming that Deborah Ramirez is a victim before she or any other alleged witness has given a sworn statement?

According to the New Yorker story, several people she says were witnesses to the incident say it never happened. These are not just denials that they saw Kavanaugh there; these are denials that they were at a party where anyone did what Ramirez claims. Ramirez has suggested that some of the people she claims were witnesses are lying and have “betrayed” her. A woman who claimed to be Ramirez’s best friend in college also said she never heard of this incident and believes it’s a political accusation.

Wouldn't you agree it’s premature to conclude that Ramirez is telling the truth and the other alleged eyewitnesses are all lying or misremembering? She might be a victim. Or she might be committing slander. It depends on who’s telling the truth.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 26, 2018, 10:13:20 AM
Trump's approach is such a boys will be boys bullshit approach.

But allegations aside there should have been a full stop on Kavenaugh before any of this with all the other shady shit coming out like the baseball ticket nonsense.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Rufio on September 26, 2018, 11:35:19 AM
Trump's approach is such a boys will be boys bullshit approach.

But allegations aside there should have been a full stop on Kavenaugh before any of this with all the other shady shit coming out like the baseball ticket nonsense.

Preet Bharara had a guest on his podcast making a reasonable argument that far more of Kavanaugh’s documents should be released and discussed before his confirmation. The unreasonable handling of his documents is the fault of the Republicans and their push to confirm. They played politics with the timing in that regard.

However, the decision to spring these new allegations after the confirmation hearings is the fault of Diane Feinstein. And it sets an extremely nasty precedent. It’s also coincided with Democrats like Mazie Hirono making ridiculous Trump-like statements of their own.

Feinstein could’ve brought up the Ford allegation in private months ago, allowing the alleged witnesses to give sworn statements before it went public. She chose to wait. Apparently, Democrats were also looking into the Ramirez allegation before the New Yorker story came out. But they chose to sit on it as well. On September 22, it was reported that Ford’s friend, who was allegedly at the party where Ford says the incident occurred, denied ever having met Kavanaugh. The very next day, the New Yorker story went public. It quoted Ramirez as saying that she hopes her allegation bolsters Ford’s. So far, Ramirez has avoided giving a sworn statement to the Senate.

I understand the desire not to have Kennedy replaced by a Scalia imitator. I share that desire.

But the timing of this means there was no opportunity to privately gather sworn statements and evaluate any inconsistencies. If the allegations appeared strong, they should’ve been raised in private before the confirmation hearings. If Kavanaugh was guilty, he probably would’ve rejected the nomination to avoid this process. Trump would’ve nominated someone else. And if the allegations were really strong, he probably would’ve also resigned from the DC Circuit, just as Judge Kozinski of the 9th Circuit recently resigned. But if the accusations turned out to be uncorroborated and contradicted by other alleged witnesses, as it appears right now, that should’ve been known before this turned into trial by media.

I understand that by waiting this long, Democrats reduced Trump’s time to pick a replacement. And they increased their chances of retaking the Senate and insisting on a more centrist judge. But by waiting, they forced Kavanaugh into a position where if he’s innocent, it’s too late to back down. He can’t go back to his day job without bringing public shame to his family.

This is a bad precedent that’s led to virtually everyone making assumptions that fit their political biases before we know the relevant facts.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on September 26, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
anyone see the clip of Trump getting laughed at during the un

The thing that pop into mind is not the laughter..is why does he feel the need to spend time at the UN basicly sucking his own dick. Does he always have to suck himself constantly

Also what will he do. This a dude who ran for president because Obama made fun of him. And then proceeded to try to ruin everything the president done. If Obama did it...who would try to undo it. really it no need for it...you WON. Enjoy the win. Stop trying to fuck things up out of spite. Stop sucking your own dick.

He does crazy thing when he laughed at. Even though he shit on everyone else. Dude has Zero sense of humor about himself


Also is the UN the best place to push his isolationist..America first other countries suck stuff. Kind of goes against the whole concept of the UN
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on September 30, 2018, 08:57:44 AM
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/409039-republicans-accelerate-efforts-to-overhaul-endangered-species-act

Don't worry. They'll always be more endangered animals and plants. That's what more means. If not, the rest of Trump's environmental laws will make sure even more animals and plants are endangered to replace the others. :)


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/29/trumps-tax-returns-midterms-democrats-853456

RED LINE! RED LINE!

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 30, 2018, 09:47:46 AM
(An aside: Rufio, what was your first forum name. It's been so long.)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on September 30, 2018, 12:28:00 PM
(An aside: Rufio, what was your first forum name. It's been so long.)

He was Jimmy-San.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Pillow Biter on September 30, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
Thanks. That was it. Fucking nearly 20 years on Herochat lol
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 01, 2018, 02:18:31 PM
Twenty years? It can't be that long just yesterday I--holy crap I got old!!!

And how do I have more gray hairs than my dad? He's seventy! :(

And to make this on topic, Trump said the press were Dems...and I'm starting to look like Anderson Cooper with this hair!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on October 01, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
Twenty years? It can't be that long just yesterday I--holy crap I got old!!!

And how do I have more gray hairs than my dad? He's seventy! :(

And to make this on topic, Trump said the press were Dems...and I'm starting to look like Anderson Cooper with this hair!

You can borrow my cane anytime.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 01, 2018, 08:18:29 PM
I'm not old! Does someone who has over 736 dollars in coins in coffee cans sound like someone who is old?! Or how about someone who records his shows on dvds?! And why do they call them 2d or 3ds when they're really game boys??

Oh, and Trump belittled a female reporter.

...Like I'm belittled by stupid kids and they're wi-fii and they're phones that have internet with their twitter and hashtags! :)

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Rufio on October 01, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Doesn't know which staffer was crazy enough to say Congressional midterms are as important as election starring him:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/trump-susan-b-anthony-campaign-for-life-gala-2018-05-22/

Is in love with mad dictator, which is just awesome due to entertainment value:

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/409104-trump-kim-jong-un-and-i-fell-in-love

Not planning to read Woodward's new book, but he says Trump was repeatedly corrected on his claim that the US always get screwed over at the WTO. Every time he was told the statistics, he refused to believe them.

Trump is basically a 14-year old internet troll.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 02, 2018, 11:27:18 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/01/trump-presidential-alerts-to-phones-857287

You've gotta be kidding me.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/1/17924532/nafta-usmca-trade-trump

The Canadians weren't even in...they were negotiating in the corner--how the hell did they manage to win out?! ...Well, besides our president is a moron. :(
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 02, 2018, 06:20:02 PM
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

so much for only getting 1 million
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 02, 2018, 07:34:45 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/409522-trump-gained-millions-from-questionable-tax-strategies-new-york-times

It's all fake news, rock!


Plus, duh.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/02/when-will-senate-vote-brett-kavanaugh-861232

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 03, 2018, 02:40:53 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/02/trump-mocks-kavanaugh-accuser-863146

...Y'know, when I made this thread, the topic was a joke. Because James Buchanan was the worse. He sucked at every job given to him to the point, Jackson sent him overseas to manage shippings...and he still messed that up. But people thought him being move to position after position meant, he was being promoted. Then he became president and let the country split into a civil war and let Abe deal with it. He even really supported the confederacy.

What I'm saying is...it should be no debate Buchanan is the worst president. Even with Dubya, he was worse but now--this is an actual debate. Trump is so horrible that the argument that I thought could never be taken seriously is real.

Just...wow.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 04, 2018, 06:10:16 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/410010-trump-considering-firing-air-force-secretary-over-space-force-position-report

Aw, what's not to love about SPPPPPACCCE FOOOOORCEEE!!!!

We also need something like G.I. Joe, y'know a military force to defend us.

And Real Ghostbusters! For all the ghosts of those horrible liberals--not to mention when the Clintons die and return as the hellspawns they were conjured as!

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 11, 2018, 04:50:07 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/trump-mocks-metoo-during-rally-892057

That's right during the fourth strongest hurricane in US history, he decided to do one of his usual boring rallies and made fun of the MeToo movement.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/negative-ads-florida-hurricane-889482

Yep. He is a Trumpie alright.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-sales-khashoggi-disappearance-892060

And this is why the world hates/laughs at you.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 12, 2018, 03:26:07 AM
So we went from throwing paper towels, to wondering how a boat got in some guys yard, holding another rally and then...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/trump-kanye-white-house-meeting-895342

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 12, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/411204-trump-administration-proposes-tough-rules-on-protests

Stupid people and free speech....

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 17, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
We gonna talk about him defending The Saudis?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on October 17, 2018, 05:48:47 PM
We gonna talk about him defending The Saudis?

At the risk of exposing my ignorance on most matters economic, aren't our financial and overall Middle Eastern interests intimately involved with the Saudis, for better or for worse? That being said, he is doing it in a clumsy way.

I'm amazed that they killed this reporter in such an amateurish fashion. You'd think they'd have the money and influence to hire real professionals for the planning and execution of an assassination. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on October 17, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
I am very much enjpying fake mainstream liberals pretending that they havent been supporting the known terrorist regime for decades along with their globalist neocons for decades.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 17, 2018, 06:17:12 PM
We gonna talk about him defending The Saudis?

At the risk of exposing my ignorance on most matters economic, aren't our financial and overall Middle Eastern interests intimately involved with the Saudis, for better or for worse? That being said, he is doing it in a clumsy way.

I'm amazed that they killed this reporter in such an amateurish fashion. You'd think they'd have the money and influence to hire real professionals for the planning and execution of an assassination.

For what I understand not to the point where we can't reverse course. Especially since the biggest part is the oil and we could ween ourselves off of it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 17, 2018, 09:07:47 PM
I am very much enjpying fake mainstream liberals pretending that they havent been supporting the known terrorist regime for decades along with their globalist neocons for decades.

😂😂😂  Meanwhile,  Trump blatantly admitted to an alleged 100 million arms sale to them.  Which,  he didn't want to jeopardize. 

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on October 18, 2018, 11:11:44 AM
A tweet for, literally, everything lol

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265925756956311552
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 18, 2018, 12:09:43 PM
Also not sure we should be selling Weapons to them anyway. Given what they may use those weapons for.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 18, 2018, 01:49:56 PM
Well, GOP must be worried about the election because they're going back to their favorite tactic--Racism--er, I mean immigration.

https://thehill.com/latino/411990-trump-threatens-military-action-at-border-if-mexico-doesnt-stop-immigration-onslaught

Trump and the Fed Building more info

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/412066-trump-more-involved-in-blocking-fbi-hq-sale-than-initially-thought-dems

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/411979-corker-administration-clamped-down-on-saudi-intel-cancelled

And that does not build confidence.

Again, Obama does just one random page of anything in this topic, The Republicans would burn the white house down just to get at him.