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Title: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
I mean, I'm pretty sure he's going to lock up worst modern day president by the end of the year, but can he ever unseat James Buchanan as the worst president ever?

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 13, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
We'll see how he compares to Jackson.  As far as mordern presidents go, I think he has it in the bag.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: scourge on October 13, 2017, 10:14:17 AM
We'll see how he compares to Jackson.  As far as mordern presidents go, I think he has it in the bag.

Agreed

W. is sitting somewhere painting himself bathing with dogs and every 10 mins saying "fuck yeah" out loud to no one in particular, occasionally giggling while he sips his mint tea.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on October 13, 2017, 10:55:58 AM
People act like they actually like Dubya now. Posting pics of him laughing with Michelle, talking about "This is how friendship looks" and the like.

That's says it all.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.

How do you have James Buchanan not the worst? The guy let the Civil War happen!! Look, I get that Andrew Jackson was a racist and he is probably in hell for what he did but he did take the power that was the rich and elite and give it to the common man. Was a war hero. He thought against government corruption. Nearly beat his assassin to death. Told South Carolina to screw off when they first talked about splitting from the union.

Do I think he deserves to be on a dollar bill? No. But he shouldn't be recognized as the worst president.

Nixon. Hm, that one I can see because it is more modern with different norms than Jackson and Buchanan. But I still think Buchanan takes it as worse president.  Again he actually did do a few good things.

Buchanan was just horrible all the way around. The guy was a screw-up that was given a position far away and easy...and then somehow people thought that meant he was talented and qualified. In other words, he was a less jackass Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: herochat on October 13, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
If Trump somehow manages to last all 4 years, then yes, he will
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 13, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
Trump is the best thing that happened to Dubya. That and not having to be president anymore.

But yeah Trump will probably be top three with Jackson and Nixon.

How do you have James Buchanan not the worst? The guy let the Civil War happen!! Look, I get that Andrew Jackson was a racist and he is probably in hell for what he did but he did take the power that was the rich and elite and give it to the common man. Was a war hero. He thought against government corruption. Nearly beat his assassin to death. Told South Carolina to screw off when they first talked about splitting from the union.

Do I think he deserves to be on a dollar bill? No. But he shouldn't be recognized as the worst president.

Nixon. Hm, that one I can see because it is more modern with different norms than Jackson and Buchanan. But I still think Buchanan takes it as worse president.  Again he actually did do a few good things.

Buchanan was just horrible all the way around. The guy was a screw-up that was given a position far away and easy...and then somehow people thought that meant he was talented and qualified. In other words, he was a less jackass Trump.

Probably because I don't know as much about Buchanan.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 13, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

Yeah, if I have Buchanan as number one, Johnson has to be in my top five somewhere. Anyone see that movie on TMC about Johnson, yeah, I'm from Tennessee and I admit it's pretty much all garbage.

Actually, come to think of it alot of the presidents from that time, like Pierce should easily be in the top ten. 

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 13, 2017, 10:01:11 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

Yeah, if I have Buchanan as number one, Johnson has to be in my top five somewhere. Anyone see that movie on TMC about Johnson, yeah, I'm from Tennessee and I admit it's pretty much all garbage.

Actually, come to think of it alot of the presidents from that time, like Pierce should easily be in the top ten.

You're not kidding. No wonder the 1800's were rather shitty.

Before Pierce you had Fillmore, who was useless too. And was there anyone good between Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 13, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Jackson was considered racist even by the standards of the 1800's.  Let that shit sink in.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 13, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
Has anyone mentioned Andrew Johnson yet? That guy has to be among the very worst ever. He did all possible to help the just defeated south restore and reinforce it's racial biases. Which helped foster a setting where bigoted organizations like the KKK could feel comfortable and thrive. His mistakes and outright bigotry continue to reverberate until this day. For worst ever, it's is probably between him and Buchanan imo. Who was every bit as much of a shit as Prop has described.

Trump certainly seems to be on a path to join them at the bottom of the barrel. He's already much worse than Nixon. Who obvious reasons aside, actually did some positive things of consequence in his time. Would we ever see Trump taking part in studying environmental problems and creating the EPA? Or fostering better relations with China? The Don is fine with inviting nuclear war, while undoing pollution standards on the homefront. And doing so in the name of "small businesses." Which is bullshit. The local deli, pizzeria, or gift store are not creating mass waste and engaging in dumping. The energy and chemical conglomerates are the ones doing that. With Trump executive order and crony appoint clearing the way for them to poison everyone else.

Reagan deserves a mention as being especially terrible among the modern group as well. All short term thinking and feel good symbolism. But he, more than any other President, helped create the blueprint for the modern GOP. Which has become a party of radicals that mass empire and military industrial complex build. While draining power and domestic resources from average citizens. Things might have been so much better if the elder Bush has won in 1980 instead.

yea nixon could be pretty progressive at times


it just he was a crazy paranoid bastard.  Oddly enough with watergate he was pretty ahead of the dems so it was unneeded  as fuck
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 13, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Yeah. I can't think of a good one. In fact, looking at a list of presidents and...damn, we have not a good track record when I go, "The lecheous Hillbilly might crack the top ten." :)

And yeah, Jackson was racist, but he did do a lot of good too...compared to people ahead and behind him. I mean, wow.

Nixon was actually okay, weird, but okay, until Kennedy and his cheap ass tricks ruined him and made him what we got as president.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Uhtceare on October 14, 2017, 02:07:56 PM
Yeah. I can't think of a good one. In fact, looking at a list of presidents and...damn, we have not a good track record when I go, "The lecheous Hillbilly might crack the top ten." :)

And yeah, Jackson was racist, but he did do a lot of good too...compared to people ahead and behind him. I mean, wow.

Nixon was actually okay, weird, but okay, until Kennedy and his cheap ass tricks ruined him and made him what we got as president.

There was actually a pretty long stretch of time when the President was almost irrelevant. America was basically ruled by Congress from roughly just after the Civil War until WWI. After that the Executive branch gradually gained more power, becoming massively powerful once the era of the Military Industrial Complex kicked in. That's why do few Presidents from that chunk of history are remembered.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 14, 2017, 04:35:11 PM
Well, at least not remembered for anything good. :)


And I got news. Looks like Trump, after his excecutive order on healthcare, Iran, The California fires, and the current problems in Puerto Rico, is working hard with congress to find solutions!!!

...


Yeah. He's golfing again. :)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355445-trump-heads-to-his-virginia-golf-course

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 15, 2017, 05:30:14 AM
Didn't someone figure out that Trump has gone golfing more often than Obama did in his first year despite Trump's "I won't have time to golf" bullshit?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on October 15, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
Nixon overall wasn't a bad president; his legacy is just so caught up with the Watergate stuff that it's hard to see past it sometimes. Reagan was a terrible piece of shit, though.

Comparing Trump to other unsuccessful presidents is also very contingent on historical circumstances. If Trump had been president in Buchanan's place, it's entirely possible the final outcome would have been worse than it was. Trump just hasn't had the opportunity to screw up that badly yet, but not for lack of trying -- he seems keen to get millions of Koreans killed, to blow up the Middle East, to destroy the U.S. and the world economy, to alienate traditional U.S. allies, and possibly even get into a war with China or something if he's able to. And if all else fails, he might just multiply the U.S. nuclear arsenal by a factor of ten and fire it all.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 15, 2017, 10:20:36 PM
Didn't someone figure out that Trump has gone golfing more often than Obama did in his first year despite Trump's "I won't have time to golf" bullshit?
http://trumpgolfcount.com/#services

Yeah, it's an objectively higher golf count.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 17, 2017, 06:58:04 AM
But how does he have time when he's the only president to ever call the families of fallen soldiers?

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/355728-trump-faces-blowback-after-claim-about-calls-to-families-of-the-fallen

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 17, 2017, 07:17:47 PM
But how does he have time when he's the only president to ever call the families of fallen soldiers?

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/355728-trump-faces-blowback-after-claim-about-calls-to-families-of-the-fallen

Trump clearly cant admit her wrong

This came from people attacking him for not reaching out to war familes. So of course he attack obama. And when confronted about this instead of say "Yea I mispoke"   he double down with saying Obama never called Kelly when his son died

turn out Obama had a dinner for four star familes..where kelly was invited to sit at his table next to michelle and him


Listen he doesnt even have to applogizes..just acknowledge reality sometimes
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 17, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
https://www.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

Wow.

Also, watching Don Lemon, and the White House response. Damn. I mean, I know I shouldn't be shocked by how evil these people are but how brazen they are just...damn.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on October 18, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
But I guess it not as disrespectful as not standing for the national anthem
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 18, 2017, 06:08:28 AM
After what he said to that grieving soldier's wife I think he solidified it yesterday.  Even with what else he said it's like just shut the fuck up!  Obama even showed up to receive & salute those that fell.  Trump hasn't said one damn thing until what Sunday or Monday.  Cause, he was to busy tweeting about what the nfl needs to do.  I'm hoping Melania turns on his ass. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on October 18, 2017, 06:19:54 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 18, 2017, 06:31:03 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.

Once again it's him minimizing their service. As he did when he did avoiding stds was his personal Vietnam, or when he said he likes soldiers who weren't captured. 

And I think the wife even later verified it later last night. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on October 18, 2017, 11:09:44 AM
One, the source of the conversation is a Democratic Congresswoman, so I’m a bit dubious. Two, people are taking these words out of context can make them sound like anything.

It’s like the media can’t go a day without becoming hysterical.

The wife verified it and also claimed he didn't even know her husband's name.

What I find most interesting is the number of people who continue to apologize for him, as though he has somehow earned the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Red Exodus on October 18, 2017, 12:45:27 PM
Trump? Absolutely.

Sure, we've had other presidents who've made the most bone-headed of mistakes,
were racist, owned slaves, cheated on their wives, illegal activities, etc., but the
Donald is every bit as bad and possibly worse.

The list goes on and on for Donald, and has it even been a year into his presidency yet?
And look at all the shit this idiot gets himself and others into. That says a lot.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 18, 2017, 01:06:49 PM
Again I put this by how I would react if someone else did it. like someone like who I voted for like an Obama or Hillary

not going to say how the republicans would react..which is basicly burn the white house to the ground. But how I would personaly react


I think if Obama tried to make the crazy ass claim..they were the only ones who every contacted a fallen solider family..I would say that was an easily provable load of bullshit. Hell I might give them a benifit of the doubt and say it was a slip of the tongue. If they then DOUBLE DOWN on it..and the insane claim they never called a person family..when it  clear proof they were at the person Dinner table...I would start questioning their sanity


Somehow Trump given a speacial passed to bullshit due to bullshitting so much. Where if you have to call him out on his bullshit so much...you start looking like the asshole. When really that shouldnt be the case. Can see why it tiring because he keeps doing crazy shit. But if the president..the most powerfull man in the world keep doing crazy ass shit...then the media will report on it

Currently he saying he has proof that the congresswoman was lying. Any other president the media would hound the guy for the proof he said he has. But they will drop this..and move on to Trump next crazy ass shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 20, 2017, 06:15:49 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356444-white-house-defends-kelly-as-above-reproach

And John Kelly has given in to the dark side. Oh you don't you stare into the abyss, without it staring back at you! MMMYYAHHHHAAA.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on October 21, 2017, 08:34:51 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 21, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.

Um.... You DON'T want that.  Ever.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on October 22, 2017, 02:16:50 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be opposed to the idea of a military coup at this point.

Um.... You DON'T want that.  Ever.

Don't you tell me what I want and don't want! Next you'll be telling me I don't really want radium in my toothpaste!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: herochat on October 22, 2017, 02:21:07 AM
Show us ur dick tho
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 22, 2017, 12:23:15 PM
would say something about thanos

but got to make sure he not a four star general before I debate him.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on October 25, 2017, 05:25:35 AM
Trump hasn’t dragged us into any unnecessary wars yet. He hasn’t put people into internment camps. He hasn’t sold weapons to Mexican cartels, or slaughtered Native Americans. He’s kept us out of war with Syria (for now.) He’s childish on Twitter and oftentimes an ass, but I don’t see how this makes him the worst President so far.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 25, 2017, 09:57:57 AM
It really comes down to the long term effects of how divisive he's made people. Hopefully people will come to there senses. If not the ramifications could be pretty dire for the people within the country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on October 25, 2017, 10:45:22 AM
Trump hasn’t dragged us into any unnecessary wars yet. He hasn’t put people into internment camps. He hasn’t sold weapons to Mexican cartels, or slaughtered Native Americans. He’s kept us out of war with Syria (for now.) He’s childish on Twitter and oftentimes an ass, but I don’t see how this makes him the worst President so far.
He has specifically continued wars he insisted he was pulling America out of for years. Just one of his many, many, many documented lies.

He has also signed an executive order to force military pilots out of retirement at his discretion. He needs someone to fly those shitty jets we keep wasting billions on. Billions he personally claimed as a "win for Trump".

He has antagonized world powers publicly and behind closed doors, unquestionably weakening our stance and leverage for any attempts at diplomacy.

He disrespects the troops repeatedly, and has done so for the entirety of his "political career" with no signs of slowing down.

He sold 12 billion worth of fighter jets to Qatar right after publicly declaring them a terrorist state.

Trump insisted the Saudis were responsible for 9/11 and should be held accountable. Naturally, he sold them 110 billion worth of weapons.

Meanwhile, he cried like an incompetent little bitch about providing South Korea with resources while completly failing to understand an enormous part of their "payment" is us continually having bases and shit there for OUR strategic needs.

It REALLY seems like you're denying the things he's openly done, or you are completely unaware of anything outside of his Twitter account over the last 9 months.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 25, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
Almost anyone that likes Trump or the GOP at this point either :

 1. Supports a neo-feudal type of system      or
 2. Has been effectively fooled or lulled by those that do.

I'm not at all convinced that this will be easy to rebound from either. There are simply too many dedicated redneck idiots in the U.S. The good ole boys southern philosophy of making it job one to check the ascent of people that look different even at one's own expense is too prevalent.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on October 25, 2017, 10:58:06 PM
Trump somewhat Bulletproof

Since the he can always paint the media as sensationlist and bashing Trump. After all there an anti trump story every week

But part of that is he KEEPS doing and saying Crazy shit.  Shit that would be a scandal with any other president. But it happesns so frequently..it gets lump together and has an appearance the media just tossing shit at the wall

But what the meida to do...if he proposes something unconstitutional on Wednesday..do you not talk about it because he did something similar on tuesday.


And the bashing works for Trump

A suprising amount of people not only think the media making it up
or agree with taking away media licencees

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/poll-republicans-back-power-pull-news-media-licenses/169444

fourthly that wont happen because our founding fathers put in checks and balances just in case the public went full retard

but its still disturbing

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: scourge on October 27, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
Has anyone mde the “until Kid Rock becomes president” joke yet? (Pls let this only be a joke)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on October 27, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
Has anyone mde the “until Kid Rock becomes president” joke yet? (Pls let this only be a joke)

Fuck, Kid Rock might be better by comparison.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 27, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Mike Pence is a false teacher. He clutched that bible to his heart and used it as a weapon to get what he wanted, and then when the chance for power came, he threw it away and shook hands with the devil. People like Mike Pence are why churches grow more and more empty.

Also just read this and just...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/27/trump-halloween-children-244255

Stop being a fucking asshole for a few minutes!!!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 27, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Jesus Christ. Do you think in Trump's presidential library there will be a news article about the time he set a little girl down the road of having body issues?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2017, 01:14:16 AM
Don't make me think about that. It reminds me every tweet the tangerine tumor has ever made is recorded in the archives. :(

And I'm going to make a wild guess about Saturday...Trump will be at a golf course. Which I'm starting not to mind, since he doesn't disgrace this country too bad...well, except those damn see through white shorts of his.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-utah-national-monument-shrink-sacred-bears-ears-mining-drilling-a8024121.html

He really is a fan of Jackson.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 28, 2017, 04:32:03 PM
Our president is a cartoon villain.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 28, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/357598-puerto-rico-says-nearly-1000-people-died-of-natural-causes-after-hurricane

There are a lot more dead post Hurricane that are not being included in the numbers.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 28, 2017, 11:59:22 PM
Our president is a cartoon villain.

Virtually the whole elected GOP function as a sort of Legion of Doom. Complete with brainwashed followers as zombies/hand ninjas. It has become a real life Bizarro world.

(https://s6.postimg.org/vxoig99up/TMW2017-10-25color.png) (https://postimg.org/image/wzyoyssnx/)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on October 29, 2017, 02:42:50 AM
It's an even bigger Council of Doom because they're also going after Captain Planet too. :)

I mean, seriously, is there one person in any position that is actually qualified for their job? The best I can come up with is Sarah Hucklebee is a much better liar than the other guy. Probably comes with being more evil. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on October 29, 2017, 03:32:06 AM
It's an even bigger Council of Doom because they're also going after Captain Planet too. :)

I mean, seriously, is there one person in any position that is actually qualified for their job?
The best I can come up with is Sarah Hucklebee is a much better liar than the other guy. Probably comes with being more evil. :)

There is the new Ambassador to Canada, Kelly Craft. I mean, she is the wife of a coal magnet. If that is not qualified, I don't know what is. She understands there are two sides to every issue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t6EYrkt-9c&t=0s

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/kelly-craft-doesnt-understand-clouds-or-climate-change-at-all/

Yesterday, Kelly Knight Craft, newly named U.S. ambassador to Canada, appeared to channel one of this country’s finest songwriters during her nonsensical remarks about “both sides of the science” of climate change. It was the wondrous Joni Mitchell, recall, who sang of looking at clouds, and their magical ability to transform, from “both sides now” in her 1969 song Clouds. Mitchell concluded: “It’s cloud illusion I recall. I really don’t know clouds at all.”

Neither, judging from her comment, does Craft. She doesn’t understand the enigmatic role clouds play in climate change, nor does she comprehend global warming’s effect on glaciers, or rising sea levels or the rising incidence of “floods, droughts and heat waves” noted in communications from the U.S. government before the election of an anti-science ideologue whose administration has taken positions against human-induced climate change, evolution, vaccines, stem cell research—and on and on.

We could deplete precious oxygen dissecting Kelly Craft’s motivation, even her attempt to appear, in her equivocation, conciliatory with the Canadian government (or, for that matter, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers). Certainly there’s much to discuss: Craft’s husband, Joe Craft, a major Trump supporter, made his billions off the backs and health of Kentucky coal miners.........
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 06, 2017, 05:15:46 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/358897-trump-urged-native-american-leaders-to-extract-resources-from-their

Yeah, Obama isn't here anymore. You're now dealing with an evil reckless narcissist jackass.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Red Exodus on November 07, 2017, 01:42:26 PM
But he's not racist. Donald fucking loves Mexican food. He even tweeted it himself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on November 07, 2017, 04:01:06 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/358897-trump-urged-native-american-leaders-to-extract-resources-from-their

Yeah, Obama isn't here anymore. You're now dealing with an evil reckless narcissist jackass.

Wasn't this the plot of one of the Three Ninjas movies?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 11, 2017, 03:26:31 AM
Actually...yeah. I think it's part II, the one before Mega Mountain with Hulk Hogan.

...

I miss video rental stores. :(
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on November 11, 2017, 02:28:05 PM
Actually...yeah. I think it's part II, the one before Mega Mountain with Hulk Hogan.

...

I miss video rental stores. :(
3 Ninjas Knuckle Up? Or 3 Ninjas Kick Back?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on November 13, 2017, 12:35:30 PM
Knuckle Up I think.  Kick Back was my fav.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 13, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
We need a 3 Ninjas Netflix series.

Also...CONSPIRACY!!!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/360189-trump-tweeted-about-podesta-emails-15-minutes-after-wikileaks-asked

Oh, also Trump wants Republicans to give a tax cut for the rich using money for health care insurance for lower income americans.


Seriously, The 3 Ninjas here how an evil dictator is trying to take the healthcare from a friend with a horrible disease and go to confront him. It would be amazing!!! :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 13, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

And greater detail. So Don Jr should be in jail, right?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on November 15, 2017, 10:42:12 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

And greater detail. So Don Jr should be in jail, right?

i am shock because wikileaks as i been told 100 percent unbias
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on November 15, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
I've returned to this topic just to talk about 3 Ninjas.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 16, 2017, 04:15:13 AM
Three Ninjas vs The Leprechaun.

Good idea or the greatest idea? :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: altoon on November 16, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Nah I want a complete reboot.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 22, 2017, 04:05:40 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-end-provisional-residency-protection-for-50000-haitians/2017/11/20/fa3fdd86-ce4a-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html

Sorry, guys, but you all look too much like Obama for Trump's liking.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/21/trump-roy-moore-accusers-doubt-257454

Yep. So this Thanksgiving week, he's kicking out thousands of people whose home has been wrecked and sides with a child molester. I wonder what he's going to do for Christmas?

But seriously--what a piece of shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 25, 2017, 02:51:35 AM
And let's just look to see how one of Trump's appointees is doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html

That seems about right.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Master on November 27, 2017, 09:16:29 AM
And let's just look to see how one of Trump's appointees is doing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html

That seems about right.

This looks like a catastrophe in waiting.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 28, 2017, 01:51:25 AM
Yep. And he's still not taking meetings or...y'know just doing his job.

And as for Trump...

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/trump-navajo-code-talkers-pocahontas-260989?lo=ap_d1

Has there been a single day, not a golf day, when he hasn't just--not been a jackass or at least kept his mouth shut?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 08:39:55 AM
Another day another opportunity to be a crappy human being...and super early!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362279-trump-weighs-in-on-matt-lauer-firing

I wish the damn GOP was like Comcast, at least they have some fucking standards.

Oh and if you think that's all and he's done after being racist...nope.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362278-trump-retweets-videos-muslim-migrant-beats-up-dutch-boy-on-crutches

Yep.

And let's not forget yesterday when he tweeted and the Dems said, "screw it" and didn't go to a stupid meeting, which he then did a remake of the Apprentice. Normally, I'd be POed at Pelosi and Chuck for this--but hell, I wouldn't want to deal with a snotty man child either!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on November 29, 2017, 05:32:52 PM
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/362434-usda-delays-healthy-school-lunch-requirements

Well, I think we all saw this one coming.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 01, 2017, 11:46:42 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the

So...worst president ever?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 02, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
Sorry, looks like ABC is wrong/jumped the gun.

And in other stupidity.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/362935-ex-obama-doj-official-trump-just-admitted-to-obstruction-of


Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 02:22:05 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363014-us-pulls-out-of-global-compact-on-migration

Just another week, just another week to start doing more horrible things and making the world a worse place.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 04, 2017, 03:08:11 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/363149-trump-slashes-utah-land-protections

Well, native americans, you fought long and hard to protect your land--and Trump does away with that in less than a year.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 06, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/homeless-veterans-benefits-trump-207781

Don't worry, vets. You're the only person Trump has lied to recently.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/06/investing/coal-tax-cuts-robert-murray-trump/

Well, you're in an exclusive club of people Donald Trump has lied to. It's called THE WORLD.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 12, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/364405-trump-slams-gillibrand-in-tweet-a-total-flunky-for-chuck-schumer

WTF is wrong yout?!!? Okay, I know what's wrong with you--but HTF did the people screening your tweets miss this one?!!?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 14, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/14/trump-cut-red-tape-business-regulations-296834?lo=ap_b1

Yes, look at all the regulations that helped the environment and kept people safe during dangerous jobs. And of course, gold scissors.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 14, 2017, 05:05:47 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/364679-watchdog-trump-administration-improperly-withheld-funds-for

Oh well that's one thing that probably in those stupid papers from the above link.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 16, 2017, 03:22:45 AM
http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/healthcare/365204-trump-admin-bans-cdc-from-using-evidence-based-and-science-based

The war on Christmas is BS but the war on intelligence and facts is very real. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Thanos6 on December 16, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
http://www.wistv.com/story/37076931/trump-reconsiders-rules-protecting-miners-from-black-lung

Quote
President Donald Trump's mining regulators are reconsidering rules meant to protect underground miners from breathing coal and rock dust -- the cause of black lung -- and diesel exhaust, which can cause cancer. An advocate for coal miners said Friday that this sends a "very bad signal."

The Mine Safety and Health Administration has asked for public comments on whether standards "could be improved or made more effective or less burdensome by accommodating advances in technology, innovative techniques, or less costly methods."

How's that Trump support sounding now, coal miners?

More proof that these are the people who're really in charge of this administration:

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/2066cc8ded7fa1f3d2bd917fc16a1b76/tumblr_oggd0clrkC1rsdeiko1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 17, 2017, 03:17:08 AM
Hey, hey, that's not a fair representation.

Sly Sludge and Hogish Greedly turned good. No one on Team Trump is redeemable. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Imperial on December 20, 2017, 10:36:40 PM
There are so many links here (head spins.)  Anything covering this yet? ( Trump : We need more corruption. )

 https://trofire.com/2017/12/20/trump-embraces-corruption-pulling-us-global-anti-corruption-pact/

Quote
Trump Embraces Corruption By Pulling US Out Of Global Anti-Corruption Pact

Donald Trump has decided to pull the United States out of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative which is more commonly known as the Anti-Corruption Pact. This pact forbade countries from doing business with companies that exploited and bribed government officials around the world in the name of resource extraction. Trump is fully embracing corruption, and as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins points out, he isn’t shy about how corrupt he wants this country to be.

Transcription:

Donald Trump is trying to make it as clear as humanly possible to the American public that not only does he not have a problem with corruption, but that he wants the United States to engage in even more corruption all around the globe. Recently, Donald Trump announced that he was pulling the United States out of the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, which is also known as the Anti-Corruption Pact.

This is a pact that started in 2002 by former UK prime minister Tony Blair, and 52 other countries have signed on to this pact. It basically, here’s what it says. It says that if you are an extraction company, like Exxon Mobil or any other oil extraction company in the planet, if you go to another country and you bribe foreign officials with money or gifts or whatever it is, you have to disclose that to the public in that area and the rest of the world so that the people can make an informed choice on whether or not they even want you in their country so that the public gets a say, or at least is informed, about the corruption that’s taking place in their country.

Donald Trump recently decided that that’s no good. The United States doesn’t want to take part of that. We don’t care if companies like Exxon or Chevron are going to other countries, bribing government officials, kicking indigenous people off their lands to extract some oil, things that have happened in the last decade. We don’t care about that. We want these extraction companies to just make more and more money. To hell with everybody else. To hell with this Anti-Corruption Pact.

It is absolutely insane that this particular story has flown under the radar here in the United States. The president literally pulled us out of something called the Anti-Corruption Pact because he wants to help boost the profits of fossil fuel companies all over the planet.

Now, I’m sure Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State and former CEO of Exxon Mobil had absolutely no problem with this. Unfortunately for him, he’s going to be the guy that has to go around all these other countries and explain why the United States suddenly decided that corruption is just fine in our book.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 21, 2017, 02:31:45 AM
No. Sorry. It's hard covering everything this evil shithead does. I mean, just today he screwed over millions upon millions of people--and made it a little worse for PR because--well, might as well. And yeah, it doesn't surprise me Trump would do this considering where a lot of his businesses are.

Here's another one to the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/20/trump-un-vote-jerusalem-response-308242

Do as I saw or I'll let people starve and suffer.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on December 21, 2017, 02:40:51 PM
No. Sorry. It's hard covering everything this evil shithead does. I mean, just today he screwed over millions upon millions of people--and made it a little worse for PR because--well, might as well. And yeah, it doesn't surprise me Trump would do this considering where a lot of his businesses are.

Here's another one to the list.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/20/trump-un-vote-jerusalem-response-308242

Do as I saw or I'll let people starve and suffer.



Whelp now we know who actually own him. Israel, not Russia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 23, 2017, 04:33:36 PM
Hey it could be worse. For example.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366304-report-trump-suggested-haitian-immigrants-to-us-all-have-aids

Also, if anyone is wondering, yes, Trump went to golf today.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 24, 2017, 05:26:17 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366318-trump-needles-fbi-deputy-amid-news-of-retirement

FBI, totally unfair. Their wives are stupid and mothers fat. Impossible to be fair.

And to think the FBI leans way more Republican. Of course, that might change now. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 26, 2017, 07:52:35 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/366461-trump-democrats-and-republicans-will-eventually-develop-a-great-new

It's just after Christmas. Can't you wait and be a total prick until at least Friday? Go play golf or something and stay off your damn phone and leave us alone!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 27, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/366529-cnn-cameras-capture-video-of-trump-golfing-in-florida

Well, I did say go play golf...

"I'll get back to work." That's a good one.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on December 30, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/366873-trump-campaign-aide-prompted-russia-investigation-in-drunken

Drunk on power. Also, this makes Trump being a prick to the Australian President an interesting new twist. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on December 31, 2017, 09:59:45 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/366873-trump-campaign-aide-prompted-russia-investigation-in-drunken

Drunk on power. Also, this makes Trump being a prick to the Australian President an interesting new twist. :)

Prime Minister.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 03, 2018, 01:58:07 AM
Eh, my one mistake of last year. :)

Anyway, to catch up.

Trump took credit for airline planes not crashing, but not the doubling of coal mining related deaths.

He also started the new year by going super nuts on twitter.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/02/trump-north-korea-nuclear-war-320232

Yep. Any hope of 2018 being an improvement is quickly going down the drain pipe. :(
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on January 03, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
Just some more speculation on what everyone knows: He's an idiot and getting dumber by the hour.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/01/trump-cog-decline/548759/
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 04:29:42 AM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html)

This book coming out proves what a lot of people have been thinking.  Trump's administration never wanted to win the election.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 04, 2018, 09:14:11 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367348-5-surprising-allegations-from-the-new-book-about-trumps-presidency

So Melania kicked him out and he has three TVs in his bedroom. And he's an asshole to the white house staff.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on January 04, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 05:05:04 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.

Yeah, he started walking that back a little even within the first month or so in office.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 04, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367458-trump-tells-gop-senators-that-2200-mile-border-wall-not-needed-in-immigration

Good news guys!  When Trump said he wanted to build a wall, he didn't REALLY mean a literal wall. Even though he repeatedly said he would build a literal wall and even had blueprints/architectural plans drawn up.

Yeah, he started walking that back a little even within the first month or so in office.

But he's also continued to talk about the wall.  Even as recent as last week. 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 04, 2018, 06:12:37 PM
He’s not the type to just admit he was wrong.  He’ll talk it up a bit more before quietly shutting up.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he started denying the whole thing all together.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 04, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
A wall isn’t needed to reduce illegal immigration. Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them, and streamline the deportation process. That would take real political will, though.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Uhtceare on January 04, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them,

That would mean targeting the rich and businesses. That's not going to happen. This is America.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 04, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Just have massive fines for people who hire or rent to them,

That would mean targeting the rich and businesses. That's not going to happen. This is America.

Agreed. That’s why weed isn’t legal, and why I can’t own a sugar glider. The fucking hamster and gerbil lobby have the pet rodent legislation on LOCK.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 05, 2018, 02:37:11 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-called-hope-hicks-the-best-piece-of-tail-corey-lewandowski-will-ever-get-book/article/2644893

Well least I can agree with him on that

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5a26eaf9f914c357018b8047/hope-hicks-went-from-mimicking-ivanka-trumps-style-to-ripping-off-melania-trumps--and-it-could-reveal-a-building-drama-inside-the-white-house.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/10/18/4631E39100000578-5070881-Kicking_off_the_trip_Hope_was_one_of_the_staffers_who_traveled_t-m-31_1510337221675.jpg)

(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59e7aba52cf5042e35429e77/master/h_590,c_limit/Ivanka-Modeling-Years-SS13.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 05, 2018, 11:00:12 AM
He’s right. Corey fucked up.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on January 05, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
He’s not the type to just admit he was wrong.  He’ll talk it up a bit more before quietly shutting up.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he started denying the whole thing all together.

You're psychic.

Posted on Twitter:
"Thank you to the great Republican Senators who showed up to our mtg on immigration reform. We must BUILD THE WALL, stop illegal immigration, end chain migration & cancel the visa lottery. The current system is unsafe & unfair to the great people of our country - time for change!
---
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 06, 2018, 02:37:42 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367640-fusion-gps-gop-request-for-a-criminal-investigation-is-an-attempt-to

Yes, yes this who they go after first--well, Hillary too because damn if we don't do another fifty investigations something will turn up.

Ah, Chuck Grassley, the guy who thinks the poor should not drink beer or see movies and just give their money to the rich and spends his down time going after The History Channel for having Pickers on instead of a two hour auto biography on George Washington. Go to hell. And take McCain's impy little pal with you.

But hey, anything to distract for President Evil Orange.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 08, 2018, 08:42:40 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/trump-end-salvadorans-protected-status-327570?lo=ap_d1

It's like Trump wakes up each morning and goes "what can I do to be a worse human being?" That evil piece of human shit McConnell waddles to him and gives him a list of evil things to do.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/trump-agriculture-farmers-tennessee-nafta-270000

Yeah, he's going to screw them over.
 
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 12, 2018, 07:31:33 AM
Well, I think everyone knows about the shithole comment and him not knowing WTF he believes in on the surveillance bill but what else has President Moron done?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368654-trump-says-he-canceled-trip-to-london

Y'know when he's having it bad, he blames Obama for something. Normal stuff he just goes after Hillary or some random person, but when he super ****ed up it's back to Obama.  God, I wish we could go back to Obama. :(



Sadly, the people of London will be denied the honor of being visited by Trump. They really love him over there from what I hear. :)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/trump-peter-strzok-treason-337918

Yeah, Mueller will go after those guys right after he brings in known conspirator code named: Agent Orange. :)

Remember all those jobs Coal got? Yeah, those are gone and then some. Also, corporations are cutting employees even after their massive tax breaks/cuts/handouts/robbing the american working class.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/trump-special-election-pennsylvania-pittsburgh-336502

How bad is it for Republicans when every district looks like it's a fight now?

Huh I've been thinking maybe Trump is the chosen one like how IDW Starscream was the chosen one: an individual people hate so much that it unites everyone to oppose him. Of course Starscream confessed to all his wrongdoings, plead guilty, all so a caring leader could take over. I don't see Trump doing that. Yes, STARSCREAM is a better human being than Trump.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on January 12, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
One thing that puzzled me a bit about the whole shithole thing was when Trump said the U.S. should get more people from Norway and fewer from shithole countries. But why would Norwegians want to move to a shithole like the U.S. now?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 12, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
One thing that puzzled me a bit about the whole shithole thing was when Trump said the U.S. should get more people from Norway and fewer from shithole countries. But why would Norwegians want to move to a shithole like the U.S. now?
Yeah, he definitely knows nothing about Norway or Europe in general. He just knows they have a lot of white people.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: LiquidSailor on January 12, 2018, 05:03:16 PM
I'm loving the fact that every anchor and guest on MSNBC is jumping at the chance to say "shithole" on the air.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 05:26:57 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
Because if the exact quote ("why are we taking people from these shithole countries") it implies that the people are as shitty as the countries they come from. The idea gets more emphasized when he seems more welcoming to countries like Norway.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 06:07:54 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.

I not like he just some random dude who said it at a bar

He was in a meeting with fellow polticians..working on policy, talking about policy. And this directly reflect said policies and matches some other stuff he allegeged of saying. Then how he pushed some of his policies.

This not just picking on Trump. Any other presidents saying this.  If Obama said "I dont want anyone from those cracker ass countries to come here" And his policy seem to reflect that it would be an issue.  Hell other people running got shit for stuff they said behind close doors.  And normaly the leaks  here tend to be other republicans..or his people. So maybe if you pick cabinet of total assholes...they may do assholes things like leak shit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 07:09:35 PM
AAaaand, they just made it easier for Trump to spy on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_rqWI6N5s8&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_rqWI6N5s8&feature=share)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
Libel laws is next

If he expands them hope people sue the shit out of him under those new libel laws

Hell he may be broke our current libel
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 12, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
Did Trump make this comment in public, or in a meeting behind closed doors (allegedly)?

If he said it in front of the UN or something, then yeah, that's pretty dumb.

If it was the latter... Who cares? Private conversations are private, and it's to be expected that language will be a bit rough in those types of meetings. My bigger concern is things like this being leaked. If our highest officials can't have meetings without every detail being leaked to the press, that's a big problem. The fact that this is even considered newsworthy shows how idiotic WE are.
Are you serious?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:21:02 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/trump-analyst-of-korean-heritage-should-negotiate-with-north-korea-nbc.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain

Trump told an expert analyst on Pakistani intelligence she should be a negotiator for North Korea because shes pretty and Korean.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
Are you serious?

Our government's been caught spying on every country in the world, as well as our own population. We've been drone striking the Middle East for the past 16 years. We've meddled in the internal affairs of countless countries, almost always to their detriment, and our own. Invaded Irag on a lie, then caused the deaths of 500,00 children because of an embargo. We arm violent groups of people who then get turned loose to do our bidding. We've allowed guns to be sold to the worst drug cartels in the world. We've blackmailed civil rights leaders. This is just off the top of my head.

A President calling a country a shithole in a private conversation does not get my jimmies rustled.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?

Did this statement change your opinion of Trump? Are you surprised he speaks crudely in meetings? Are you surprised Trump has a negative view of Haiti? I'm assuming the answer to the above is no.

My larger concern is the inability of Democrats and Republicans to work together on everything. Every fucking issue is a deadlock. If I'm pissed about something, it's that this is another distraction from our government hammering out a point-based immigration system that prioritizes desired skills, educational level, language ability, relative youth and health, and ability to find employment of applicants like EVERY OTHER FUCKING MODERN COUNTRY HAS.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:52:18 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

Not even if its during direct policy talks about that shows a bias that really alter those policies negatively?

Did this statement change your opinion of Trump? Are you surprised he speaks crudely in meetings? Are you surprised Trump has a negative view of Haiti? I'm assuming the answer to the above is no.

My larger concern is the inability of Democrats and Republicans to work together on everything. Every fucking issue is a deadlock. If I'm pissed about something, it's that this is another distraction from our government hammering out a point-based immigration system that prioritizes desired skills, educational level, language ability, relative youth and health, and ability to find employment of applicants like EVERY OTHER FUCKING MODERN COUNTRY HAS.

Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 08:53:41 PM
And seeing how one Dem and 2 reps have already confirmed that what he said it seems like both sides can actually find common ground.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 12, 2018, 08:58:40 PM
Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.

Would you rather Trump's comments not have been leaked if it made a solid immigration deal more likely? Or would you prefer that they were leaked, even if it means making a deal less likely?

I'd be a lot more upset if he were talking about American citizens. And I mean about the actual people, not a city or region. Because I routinely refer to places like Detroit and Binghamton as shitholes.

But fuck it, what did Ted Cruz say about New Yorkers? They have shitty values? I didn't mind, he's absolutely right. New Yorkers are by and large bitter assholes and I curse every day I wake up in this fetid pit of a city.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
I'm guessing it was leaked because people involved didn't think they can reach an agreement with him.

And if the quote is accurate he did comment on the people. His question equates the people to the "shithole" country.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 09:17:40 PM
Of course I'm not surprised nor does that change my opinion. Instead it backs my ideas he's a crude asshole that is going to shutdown any good policy that comes his way because he's already got biases about certain people. So yeah it would be great if Dems and Reps can sit down and iron it out but when the guy at the head of the table can't even be a little tactful and a policy meeting it doesn't really assure me its going to happen.

Would you rather Trump's comments not have been leaked if it made a solid immigration deal more likely? Or would you prefer that they were leaked, even if it means making a deal less likely?

I'd be a lot more upset if he were talking about American citizens. And I mean about the actual people, not a city or region. Because I routinely refer to places like Detroit and Binghamton as shitholes.

But fuck it, what did Ted Cruz say about New Yorkers? They have shitty values? I didn't mind, he's absolutely right. New Yorkers are by and large bitter assholes and I curse every day I wake up in this fetid pit of a city.


Yes and new York told him to go fuck himself and voted against him.  Because they might feel the hatred for them may effect how he govern

Just like Trump dislike for people from a certain region may effect his polices



Listen I get wanting both sides to agree.  But at some point...The guy at the head of the country got to help with that.  If the head of the country activly going against people uniting people...that going to be a huge road block


at some point the president hold some responbility in the division. Becuase he is the president.  Meeting people half way is nice

But if its

person 1- I am going to beat you to death

Person 2- What no

Person 1- Find I will only beat you HALF to death

That not the meeting people half  I want.  If one side pushes stuff to such an extreme...it makes even the half way mark an extreme mark
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 10:14:32 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

I mean bombing are not a good thing

Neither having a guy who clearly and lot of the times openly racist, and might be a mad man..at the heard of the worlds most powerfull country. Namely when some connected

Disliking trump doesnt mean you cant dislike the people in the passed. People like to pretend the media just picking on Trump just because he Trump. Yea party it becausr the media dont like him.  On the other hand it just holding him to the same standard

I mean lets say if it was president Hillary and in a middle of the media she stop to say

"Hey we all hate the jews right"

That would be a story worth telling in the news. Wouldnt make any other bad stuff she did not worth telling. But if your a news reporter..your going to give that some news. You be well in your right. And you can replace any person with that.
 Because that shit effect our relatontions around the world. I may effect how jewish people see the president..and may make them worried for the future. Namely when its a pattern of it.

And it not like he shouldnt expect this to come out. His shit always leak. That among his cabinet.  People he hired. Let alone meeting with people who directly against  his policies.  He should know at some point to stop blurting crazy shit out loud by now.  It leaks all the damm time.  First few...find give you a mulligan. But now you should know the deal
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 12, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

They're not.  That's the problem.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 12, 2018, 10:54:06 PM
I see what MTL is saying.  Continuing the illegal wars on these countries is a bit worse than calling them shitholes.

The fact he thinks they are shitholes is probably why he is OK with continuing them and also why he's against allowing immigrants in from those countries.

I think the same could be said with all previous presidents from Ronnie to Donnie, but my point is, people ignore the bombings and focus on the super racist thing he said.  Priorities are a little out of whack.

Why cant you do both

They're not.  That's the problem.

Well this just happen so yea it going to be in the news
Again if the president saying openly racist that going to be the news story for a bit


But not like they reporting on other stuff
Today saw them talking about the iran deal
Daca
North Korea
The crazy ass judge who running for senator

This week news talk about taxe
Puetro Rico
Taxes


Now could they adjust how much they talk about each. Yea. But they talk about. Just because the media doesnt focused on those other issue enough...doesnt mean this issue that does relate to policy not worthy of being talked about
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 12, 2018, 11:19:27 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/MV9Uc

Almost two hours between the tweets before he realized he now benefits. There was also an unrelated tweet between the two.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 13, 2018, 03:00:19 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/trump-medicaid-work-requirement-kentucky-164638

I actually approve of this. Kentucky gave us Mitch McConnell. They deserve their fate. And to be lit on fire. :)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 10:05:32 AM
I mean lets say if it was president Hillary and in a middle of the media she stop to say

"Hey we all hate the jews right"

If she said that about American Jews, yeah it would be f'ed up.

If she said something crude about Israel in a private meeting, I wouldn't care, and would wounder why the President's private meetings are being aired out in public.

If she said something crude about Israel in a public forum, I'd question her judgement and diplomatic skills.

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 10:08:48 AM
Why are you more bothered if he said that about Americans over non-Americans?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
Because I’m an American, and because the American President governs over, is elected by, and is responsible to my fellow citizens. In America.



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 10:32:40 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on January 13, 2018, 11:15:23 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 13, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
Again he's not just calling Haiti a shithole. He's equating the people to the quality of the country. He's questioning why we should take anyone from that country and that seems one step away from creating anti-shithole country policies.

And the thing is we can focus on everything since we actually can't actively change them. We can just make a list of grievances and use that as an argument as part of why he should be impeached/voted out.

And this IMHO is pretty good evidence to anyone who claims he isn't racist/xenophobic.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 13, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Because I’m an American, and because the American President governs over, is elected by, and is responsible to my fellow citizens. In America.

Yes but he makes foreign policy and this effect foreign policy. And saying that shit at a meeting discussuin forieng policy effect it...since ideally your suspose to be working shit out


Also guess it depends on what he consider Americans
Does he he consider the Daca people Americans. Past comments about anchors babies and stuff make me question that
Which by the way part of what they were talking about in the meeting. It not like he was with his friend at a Buffolo wild wings shooting the shit..and there for it has no stakes

Does he view Puetro Rico as Americans. His comment and response  to the crisis makes me question that


And as neo said this one more thing to ad to this guys probally a xenophone and racist.   Which going to affect how he govern Americans.

now it make some people say "meh we know he racist...whats a big deal"

Well then that just normalizing insane behavoir and that will effect presidents in the future.. I am holding this guy to the same standard as we would any other president
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 13, 2018, 02:56:51 PM
Are you serious?

Our government's been caught spying on every country in the world, as well as our own population. We've been drone striking the Middle East for the past 16 years. We've meddled in the internal affairs of countless countries, almost always to their detriment, and our own. Invaded Irag on a lie, then caused the deaths of 500,00 children because of an embargo. We arm violent groups of people who then get turned loose to do our bidding. We've allowed guns to be sold to the worst drug cartels in the world. We've blackmailed civil rights leaders. This is just off the top of my head.

A President calling a country a shithole in a private conversation does not get my jimmies rustled.


You have got to be joking. Absolutely nothing you just listed somehow validates or justifies what he said in any way, shape or form. Those things are independently shitty, and it's overwhelmingly reasonable to think "Hey, here is yet ANOTHER shitty thing." They're all worth caring about and calling a world leader out about.


Pretending otherwise is laughable, at best.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on January 13, 2018, 03:04:26 PM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.

You keep saying "There are so many more important things!" like all the other things don't matter at all. They all matter. Words and actions all matter on the world stage.


When you get elected President, everything you say matters in some way because you are the figurehead of the US. If you say something stupid, it makes America look stupid. If you say something racist, it makes America look racist. If you say something to unite it tends to unite. If you say something to divide, it tends to divide.

Pretending "They're behind closed doors in a 'professional setting' so this is stuff that should be a secret!" is ridiculous. In what way should immigration reform be a secret?

Did you consider what you were saying at all or did you just get mad and type out random shit?

This isn't nuclear protocols or escorting a world leader from the airport to a military base where we're bombing somebody. This is stuff that most definitely belongs in the public eye and since the President is OUR EMPLOYEE, it's odd you want immigration reform kept secret in the first place. There is no national security justification involved here.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 14, 2018, 01:08:12 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?_r=0&mtrref=www.advocate.com&referer=

Apparently even before this he commented that Haitians all have AIDS.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 14, 2018, 01:17:40 AM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?_r=0&mtrref=www.advocate.com&referer=

Apparently even before this he commented that Haitians all have AIDS.

Everybody got AIDS and shit.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 14, 2018, 01:58:35 AM
Say what you will but Trump is really reaching his base...and the gallows they build.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/368934-far-right-group-built-gallows-tried-to-arrest-london-mayor-over
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on January 14, 2018, 02:09:55 AM
OK but even if you prioritize Americans over others because your from the same country, there are a lot of immigrants who were US citizens before this president who can be directly effect by his xenophobia.

On a xenophobia scale of 1 to 10, Trump calling Haiti a shithole barely registers. Is Trump calling for sanctions against Haiti? Is he asking for permission to invade Haiti? Are we going to conduct drone strikes against Haiti? Are we cutting diplomatic ties with Haiti? 

Did Trump saying this shatter anyone's illusions of him as a great lover of Haiti?

I'm not defending what he said. It's crude and simplistic. And even if it was behind closed doors, he was still at work, with others, in a professional setting, not bullshitting with people in his personal life. But in the big picture on its own it is meaningless. There are so many more important things to focus time and energy on.

I think you need a new scale.  https://www.google.com/search?q=what+other+countries+think+of+Trumps+comments&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab  The reaction by the rest of the World very much says otherwise. 

But, neo-nazis are glad to see he's on the same page as them.  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-neo-nazis-white-supremacists-celebrate-more-or-less-same-page-racist-a8157796.html

These guys are in total disagreement with you.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577599691/racist-and-shameful-how-other-countries-are-responding-to-trumps-slur


And Norway says Nah. Get a new president though and it might happen. 
http://www.dw.com/en/norwegians-decline-president-donald-trumps-offer-to-move-to-us/a-42129986

And Der Spiegel is pretty much right on the nail with this cover regarding Trump. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-age-of-fire-and-fury-latest-der-spiegel-trump-cover-explained-a-1187633.html

I think it's important that we have a competent diplomatic leader who knows better.  And it's quiet relevant as it's very much a racist statement. He's focused on trying to keep Mexicans and Muslims out of the country. And despite the condition of Haiti The US has actually has a role in keeping it poor. 

Here's some things to check out.

http://faculty.webster.edu/corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm

http://www.newsweek.com/reasons-behind-haitis-poverty-70801

http://www.nathanielturner.com/howusimpoverishedhaiti.htm

https://fee.org/articles/how-us-crop-dumping-keeps-haiti-poor-and-dependent/

And regardless of where he's at he shouldn't have said it at all.  Especially, when the US has had a large role in fucking over that country as we've done for other countries.  Trump recently asked a Korean female what she is.  Then said why don't we have her talk to the Koreans.  Just on the merit of her being Korean. 



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 14, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
You're skipping over the sexist part of that exchange. She is an analyst and Trump said she should be an negotiator because she's pretty.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 15, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/368945-trump-rips-the-media-i-never-said-i-have-a-good-relationship-with-kim

Stupid fake news and their real evidence. :)

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on January 16, 2018, 05:37:38 AM
I just enjoy the fact that Trump's personal lawyer paying off a pornstar (to keep her quiet about an alleged encounter in 2006) just before the election is like, the 3rd biggest story of the week.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 16, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
I just enjoy the fact that Trump's personal lawyer paying off a pornstar (to keep her quiet about an alleged encounter in 2006) just before the election is like, the 3rd biggest story of the week.

And forgottne now

The only good thing,  is maybe will stop giving a shit about sex stuff. At least the one that consensual

But sadly think this may be a trump only passed. Where they just let it slide becuase "Shit its trump...got bigger fish with him to worry about?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 16, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
Yeah personally don't care that that's getting buried. That's some personal issues him and his wife need to deal with.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on January 16, 2018, 08:52:39 PM
Although that said.

if Obama had an affair with Cherokee D Ass or something it be 24/7 news


so Hopefully thats the news norm. If someone other then trump gets into a similar sex scandal it handle with just as little fair fair
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 17, 2018, 02:42:52 AM
Yeah personally don't care that that's getting buried. That's some personal issues him and his wife need to deal with.

You mean how she should divorce him?

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369275-dems-flip-wisconsin-state-senate-seat

I'm starting to think think people who normally stay home have decided "enough of this crap."

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
So he threw Acosta out of a press conference because he didn't like the question he asked. Trump is the white house equivalent of a power hungry MB mod.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 03:34:51 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/porn-star-detailed-alleged-affair-with-trump-in-2011-interview/

Quote
She also recalls Trump comparing her to his daughter, Ivanka.

“He told me once that I was someone to be reckoned with, beautiful and smart just like his daughter,” Daniels said.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 17, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/01/17/porn-star-detailed-alleged-affair-with-trump-in-2011-interview/

Quote
She also recalls Trump comparing her to his daughter, Ivanka.

“He told me once that I was someone to be reckoned with, beautiful and smart just like his daughter,” Daniels said.

Just keeps getting creepier.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on January 17, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
We can all agree that he wants to fuck his daughter right? Like we can debate if he's racist or xenophobic or whatever but him fucking his daughter, we are all on the same page there?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 17, 2018, 06:16:08 PM
We can all agree that he wants to fuck his daughter right? Like we can debate if he's racist or xenophobic or whatever but him fucking his daughter, we are all on the same page there?

Yeah, at this point, there's no longer any need for speculation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 03:53:23 AM
Hey, just check out the Republican convention, he felt up his daughter's ass. Or maybe that was an accident and he misjudged hand placement because apparently he grew and inch...in his seventies. :)



Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 03:55:55 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/trump-fake-news-awards-345482

It's what we all waited for. Glad he took time out of his busy schedule of not doing his damn job to half ass something.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on January 18, 2018, 05:50:43 AM
Hey, just check out the Republican convention, he felt up his daughter's ass. Or maybe that was an accident and he misjudged hand placement because apparently he grew and inch...in his seventies. :)

We've all done the accidental ass touch and have had it done to us but with Trump and Ivanka... well, it's suspect.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 18, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
Eh, I never minded. :)

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/369654-steele-dossier-firm-suspected-trump-russia-money-laundering

Yeah, I kinda figured that one.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 22, 2018, 01:36:46 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/370076-trump-known-to-use-indian-accent-to-imitate-indias-prime-minister

At least he's racist towards everyone.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on January 30, 2018, 02:30:51 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371271-trump-told-mccabe-to-ask-his-wife-how-it-felt-to-be-a-loser-report

Such a classy human being.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371333-state-dept-tells-congress-no-additional-russia-sanctions-necessary-at

And to be fair, he is going to need Russia's help come the next presidential election.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/371280-house-intel-votes-to-make-nunes-memo-public

And thus the Republican Party finally made the full heel turn. Seriously, you're going to release a memo that you won't let the Justice department look through--hell David "bitchcakes" Nunes hasn't even bothered to read it...and you're not going to let the Dems rebuttal.

Seriously, to all the Republicans out there, I don't have a problem with your party. I believe that we need to have contrasting views and that some issues you are right on--but look at who you have elected. It's like you've elected multiple Lex Luthors--I'm talking Dark Metal DC Universe style!! Doesn't there come a point where you look at these people and go "damn WTF happened? Let's start over?"

Are the Dems perfect, no. They're dumb and pathetic--but at least the majority of them have some sort of moral compass to them!
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on January 30, 2018, 03:31:02 AM
If the memo is what it seems to be.. Lmaooo.. Stop pretending you have a moral high ground here. That's over.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 01, 2018, 01:14:03 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 01, 2018, 01:34:12 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 01, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit

Hmmm...

Quote
Jack Langer, the spokesman for Nunes, said in a statement that Schiff's letter amounted to another "strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo."

"In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," Langer said.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 01, 2018, 10:41:22 AM
Yeah, this is desperate and pathetic. They are TERRIFIED. And that's a great sign. Letters is likely right here.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 01, 2018, 12:52:54 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo

Well it as if they were full of shit

Hmmm...

Quote
Jack Langer, the spokesman for Nunes, said in a statement that Schiff's letter amounted to another "strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo."

"In its increasingly strange attempt to thwart publication of the memo, the Committee Minority is now complaining about minor edits to the memo, including grammatical fixes and two edits requested by the FBI and by the Minority themselves," Langer said.


Well one thing that would clear it up, is to release the original memo with it,  Grammer mistake and all

Looks supsicious as hell namely coming from nunes who pulled this shit before

Replace spokesperson for nunes says, with spokeperson Debbie Schultz,  or Donna Brazile, or Obama..or any other person..and see how much grain of salt that statement would be taken with. Be enough salt to give your heart issues


It also telling Dems ask  "Well lets us release our memo then" and that shit was voted down by the republicans
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 01, 2018, 04:10:13 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 01, 2018, 05:01:29 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.

This almost certainly WILL blow up in the Dems face, utterly destroying their narrative to excuse their inherent corruption as the reason they lost, and will embolden Trump, maybe even guaranteeing him reelection. The Russia narrative is a red herring and it's laughable that people are falling for it. America does not give a shit about 'Democracy" "fair elections" and election tampering. Never has.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 01, 2018, 05:32:53 PM
They need to release EVERYTHING. Cut the BS out completely.

This almost certainly WILL blow up in the Dems face, utterly destroying their narrative to excuse their inherent corruption as the reason they lost, and will embolden Trump, maybe even guaranteeing him reelection. The Russia narrative is a red herring and it's laughable that people are falling for it. America does not give a shit about 'Democracy" "fair elections" and election tampering. Never has.
What will blow up in their faces, specifically?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: superlurker on February 02, 2018, 12:28:24 AM
It will clearly blow up in their faces just like those reveals about that pro-Hillary FBI agent Mueller had on his team showing their clear bias.

...

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/958816979103764480
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 02, 2018, 12:31:47 AM
I've lost track whether the FBI was supposedly for Hilary or for Trump.  It seems it changes every few weeks.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 02, 2018, 02:30:54 AM
I'm pretty sure they're anti Trump now. :)

Yeah, I'm really sweating the memo the White House wrote for Nunes. :)

And don't think Trump has forgotten about poor people...and how much he hates them.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371895-justice-dept-sidelines-office-dedicated-to-expanding-legal-aid-to

Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:22:14 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 01:51:42 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 01:53:24 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 02:28:46 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 02:31:35 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Panthergod on February 02, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.

So the Steele memo is true, then. That's your argument. Don't even pretend to run away from that
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 02:44:23 PM
The FBI colluded with the DNC to depose Trump with the fake Russia investigation via the Steele memo.

Trump at this point will certainly win reelection.

Thank the DNC for that.
What is the "fake Russia Investigation"?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937)
Do you know what a Congressional memo is?

Do you know what contempt of court is?
Yes.

I'll accept your attempt to change the conversation as a wholehearted agreement and concession that you do not, in fact, know what a Congressional memo is.

So more excuses to support dnc+fbi+establishment media deliberately lying to the public and the courts to overturn an election. That's who you are. Own it.
Now you're just spamming nonsense based on a memo filled with holes and objectively laughable leaps in logic.

Stop humiliating yourself.

So the Steele memo is true, then. That's your argument. Don't even pretend to run away from that
First: Steele wrote a dossier. Not a memo. They're entirely different types of aggregated information. Dossiers are longer and much more in depth.

Second: YOU are the one asserting the memo is 100% false.

Third: the Nunes memo specifically asserts Steele had proved reliable in the past, they just don't think what he provided this time was true. Why? Because he doesn't like the individual the dossier was about(Donald Trump). This is a critically stupid foundation to build on when you try and discredit something from an individual you are actively admitting is reliable IN THE SAME DOCUMENT. Writing a dossier requires information. It does not require objectivity.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 02, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
Isn’t the problem with Steele’s dossier that:

-it has not been corroborated by any other sources?
-it was paid for by the DNC?
-it was used as the justification to obtain the warrant to spy on a member of Trump’s campaign?
-the court issuing the warrant was not made aware that the dossier was the only reason the warrant was being sought?

These aren’t rhetorical questions, I’m legitimately asking. It seems like each media outlet has a diffferent spin on things.

Trump clearly has made poor choices in picking people to work for him, and there may be legitimate reasons why they were being watched. But the FBI withholding the source of their suspicions from the court shows that maybe they didn’t think they’d get their warrant if they were more forthcoming. It may have been sheer laziness on their part. There’s no evidence someone like Obama or Clinton ordered them to do anything.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 02, 2018, 04:16:16 PM
apprent the steele dossier wasnt the only thing that got them a warrant

it just the gop memo written by apparently the white house may of left that out

remember these trump picks saying this

the issue is this may start a prescident of leaking these memos without going through the normal process. and if this going to be the prescident stepping forwards

because dems will want to leak theres. and that back and fourth will be bad.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 02, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
Isn’t the problem with Steele’s dossier that:

-it has not been corroborated by any other sources?
The reason the dossier was taken seriously in the first place was because it corroborated intelligence that would most likely not have been shared with Steele. Somebody with a reputation of reliability comes up to you and says starts telling you shit you already had some supporting evidence for, you are likely to listen. Like virtually every dossier around, not all of it is accurate. Some extrapolations are made when dossiers are created because they are often built off interviews, recordings you only have one side of, out of context conversations, photographs, rumors, etc.

When Donald Trump's own children, the ones he claims are running his entire "multi-billion-dollar" corporate empire right now, repeatedly assert their family and holdings have specific financial and personal ties to Russia over the course of several years, you have to consider the following about their connections to Russia:
Were they lying then to try and impress everyone? Possibly.
Were they telling the truth then to try and impress everyone? Probably.

Are they lying now about connections to Russia? Probably.
Are they telling the truth now about connections to Russia? Possibly.


-it was paid for by the DNC?
FusionGPS was contracted in February 2015 by a Republican website called Washington Free Beacon, financed by a GOP megadonor/superdonor Paul Singer. After Trump wound up beating the establishment candidates, they were going to drop the research. In April 2016, the DNC and Clinton campaign continued funding the research.

Unethical, certainly. Does that inherently make any of it untrue? I think doubting is fair, but asserting it's untrue simply because the DNC kept the ball rolling is patently ridiculous. Dossiers are aggregated information. You are going to aggregate what is being sought.

SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats), personal connections, financial connections, etc. are all fair game when you are building a dossier. There is bias in every dossier ever written. Just because the author of this one disliked Trump it's automatically false? While in the same memo they're saying Steele has a proven history of reliable information?

One of Steele's informants, a high-rank Russian general, was killed. It is speculated (and asserted specifically to Congress by FusionGPS) he was killed for contributing to the dossier.

Oddly, the same people jumping on board with every conspiracy theory around are claiming THIS death is a coincidence, but every other death is somehow the doings of a Globalist mastermind somewhere.


-it was used as the justification to obtain the warrant to spy on a member of Trump’s campaign?
It was used as additional justification to spy on a guy they were already watching for a couple years.


-the court issuing the warrant was not made aware that the dossier was the only reason the warrant was being sought?
He was already being watched. The dossier was used as additional support for the spying.



These aren’t rhetorical questions, I’m legitimately asking. It seems like each media outlet has a diffferent spin on things.
I think they're fair questions and agree we're getting all kinds of stories. Anybody on any side pretending this is an all-or-nothing situation is just engaging in partisan nonsense. Not everything Trump (or his associates/kids) has done was out of malice, stupidity, etc.


Trump clearly has made poor choices in picking people to work for him, and there may be legitimate reasons why they were being watched. But the FBI withholding the source of their suspicions from the court shows that maybe they didn’t think they’d get their warrant if they were more forthcoming. It may have been sheer laziness on their part. There’s no evidence someone like Obama or Clinton ordered them to do anything.
The Nunes memo only includes some information. They cherrypicked a lot of documents. That's what the Democrat memo is/was asserting. It says Nunes' memo looked for specific info to fit an agenda and excluded the rest of the intelligence other members of the SAME INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE saw to build his case against the Russia investigation.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 02, 2018, 04:58:32 PM
The Nune's Memo is basically hearing just the defense attorney and never getting to hear the  prosecutor or seeing the evidence yourself.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 02, 2018, 11:48:34 PM
Apparently he didn't read the FISA applications himself either.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 03, 2018, 08:06:30 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/372190-former-trump-adviser-called-himself-adviser-to-kremlin-in-2013

Yep.

And just because I hate this sack of human garbage.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372189-paul-ryan-deletes-tweet-touting-150-pay-hike-after-backlash
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
People like to make fun of Jeb and "Please clap."

Today at one of his rallies, Trump literally said if you don't clap for him it should be treason.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 05, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
People like to make fun of Jeb and "Please clap."

Today at one of his rallies, Trump literally said if you don't clap for him it should be treason.

Yes, yes he did.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 06:04:08 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason or anti-Americanism to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: 80sBaby on February 05, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.

There's a distinct difference between claiming that a politician committed actual treasonous acts and trying to make not clapping into an actual treasonous act.

Don't "same thing, both sides" this.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 06:07:39 PM
Both parties have been accusing each other of treason or anti-Americanism to some level or another over the past year, minimum. This is the new normal.
That's not even CLOSE to accurate.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 05, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 05, 2018, 06:51:07 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 06:52:52 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Are you in the right thread?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on February 05, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
I don't think he's in the right thread.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Agreed. At this point it would probably take a war to get people to come together, but I'm not sure we can afford another one.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 05, 2018, 07:35:41 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

And it aint like people didnt give him shit.  trump for one did, with the whole he an illegal immigrant


here the thing. sure you can find some left wing bloggers saying shit like that or maybe..MAYBE a few high pundints


But here the thing people forgetting. Trump is the PRESIDENT!!!!.  He not some dude talking shit at a bar, or commenting on youtube.  If a fellow herochat says shit like that, I dont care.  If some comedian..or reddit guy by the name of Hillaryhasasmellcunt4....I dont care. Hell even Ann coulter of the world..only give so much of a shit. That he job to talk shit. Or people on the left like Bill mhare and Jezebell


but Trump the president. What he says matters. Dont get this idiot standard where holding him by. He held to zero standard.

You cant be threating to take people media licence
Calling people who dont praise you traitors
Or falsely claiming our Allies spying on us
Or tweating threatening to world leaders


if your the god damm president
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 05, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

I wasn't referring to Obama, but to things like this:

https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456 (https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html)

http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/ (http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/)

It doesn't justify Trump's comments.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: XerxesTWD on February 05, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
I dont recall obama ever saying anything close to people who clap is treason

I wasn't referring to Obama, but to things like this:

https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456 (https://twitter.com/sethmoulton/status/884812440936083456)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/tim-kaine-donald-trump-jr/index.html)

http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/ (http://floridanationalnews.com/blog/nancy-pelosi-warns-of-constitutional-crisis-if-trump-uses-nunes-memo-to-justify-firing-rosenstein-or-mueller/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/12/rep-brad-sherman-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/473495001/)

It doesn't justify Trump's comments.
Those are nowhere near the same thing.

They're citing specific acts that would be considered treasonous if Obama and his family did them.

Trump is actually saying with his own mouth if you don't clap for him, it should be treason.

You said something like this in another thread, too. Maybe it was this thread a few pages back. They're false equivalencies.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: AP on February 05, 2018, 07:58:30 PM
and if it is the new normal its important to point out it shouldn't be.

Lobbyists donating money to candidates is not the new normal.  It's the "old normal".  It's wrong but it's not like this is the first time it's ever happened.  Also, it has nothing to do with Russia.
Are you in the right thread?

Nope.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 05, 2018, 08:04:36 PM
if they use stolen info and wrre colluding with s foreien nation who goal to manipulate our election then that

a lot different then not clapping or being mean to the president

that why calling obama an illegal immigrant a dick move but most dont see it as treason

no said screamibg you lie is treason

and if you dont think the stuff u link to were treason replace obama or hillary in trump place

hell that to easy white house would be burn to the groud

instead replace trump with any normal politician. it be considered as bad or worse because there not held to as low a standard
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 06, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/372468-drop-in-dow-futures-point-to-stock-opening-with-1000-point-drop

I liked it when he was giving a speech and they showed the Dow dropping.
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 11, 2018, 01:38:24 AM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/27459857_10156006437181838_1545394398169577008_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=0c24fa6c0f796fe1304004f05ec63fec&oe=5AD98086)
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: MTL76 on February 11, 2018, 11:20:18 AM
Just out of curiosity, have any of the accusations that Trump collaborated with the Russians to win the election - not benefitted from their propaganda, but collaborated - been proven yet?
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: therock on February 11, 2018, 11:59:30 AM
well no smoking gun but some decent evedincr like thosr emails and secret meetings

if he didnt think his people did
Title: Re: Will Trump go down as the worst president ever?
Post by: Propeus The Fallen on February 11, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/09/trump-rob-porter-abuse-allegations-401367

Also he won't release the Dem memo because he say sit has classified info even though the FBI sent out a statement saying the Nunes memo shouldn't be out since it did have classified information...and Trump didn't even read the memo before he decided to release it.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/373280-survey-analysts-expect-13-percent-of-business-tax-cut-savings-to-go-to-workers

Well, that is better than what I thought.