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Title: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: scourge on August 29, 2017, 11:22:45 PM
What's the best X-Men run for someone who wants to read some X-Men? Where would you start them?
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Post by: Mightily Oats on August 30, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
What's the best X-Men run for someone who wants to read some X-Men? Where would you start them?
1975-1991 should just about cover it
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: herochat on August 30, 2017, 01:02:07 AM
Yup.  One of the best runs in comic history, imo
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: scourge on August 30, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
I'm also into that run, but I'm thinking of recommending a smaller chunk of it to get the person started. Maybe Dark Phoenix Saga?
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Kallor on August 30, 2017, 08:41:08 AM
I've found the Whedon run to work well for this scenario.
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Post by: Whiskeyclone on August 30, 2017, 08:59:14 AM
I've found the Whedon run to work well for this scenario.

Yeah, it's probably one of the most stylistically easy for non-comic readers to get into, and great modern-looking art, too. Plus it is very good.

If you go Claremont, the best run, I'd start them with when Mesmero makes them circus freaks through until they get back from fighting Alpha Flight in Canada (for a really concise 10 or 11 issues) or up through Dark Phoenix (for an obviously longer but still manageable stretch).
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Post by: Not BAMF on August 30, 2017, 09:22:59 AM
I've found the Whedon run to work well for this scenario.

I LOVE The Whedon run... LOVE it. It's one of my top 5 runs on ANY comic in history.

But "for someone who's never read comics"? I'm not so sure. There's a lot of history there that a new reader would feel lost in. Without context, it's a lot of "Wait, what? Wait... what? What's this? What is going on?" It references Cassandra Nova (that would probably be the hardest part for s non-reader to grasp), the massacre of Genosha, Jean's death, Emma's history, Colossus' death... lots of stuff.
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Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 30, 2017, 09:34:11 AM
IMHO that actually helps get people into it X-Men comics. I've suggested that run to a lot of people and they always come back saying they enjoyed the story and they want to know where they can read up on those references.
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Post by: Whiskeyclone on August 30, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
Bamf just reminded me - certain people could probably start with Morrison's New X-Men, too.
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Post by: altoon on August 30, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
His run may be too out there to start someone on.
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Post by: Tjackflash on August 30, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
   Morrison's run on X-Men is what stopped me from reading the series, and I started in kindergarten with X-Men # 27 "Enter The Mimic".
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Post by: Strawman Abridged on August 30, 2017, 11:25:55 PM
Chris Claremont oc

Claremont recaps everything the reader needs to know like every issue. It's probably the one benefit to his lengthy expository style.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: altoon on September 02, 2017, 06:58:30 PM
   Morrison's run on X-Men is what stopped me from reading the series, and I started in kindergarten with X-Men # 27 "Enter The Mimic".

Was it the story or the art that made you stop?
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Tjackflash on September 02, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
   I've never been a fan of Quietly's (I know I'm going to misspell these names) pouty-face leather butch boy artwork but I could have muddled through, but Morrissey's arbitrary rewrites of characters, histories & motivations sunk it for me.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Panthergod on September 03, 2017, 02:48:43 PM
   I've never been a fan of Quietly's (I know I'm going to misspell these names) pouty-face leather butch boy artwork but I could have muddled through, but Morrissey's arbitrary rewrites of characters, histories & motivations sunk it for me.
Name them.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Tjackflash on September 03, 2017, 08:57:20 PM
   I'll name two that I did not like. The idea of "Secondary Mutation" as a way of completely changing a character and introducing Xavier's twin sister to change the backstory.
   If you liked either or both of them good for you. All I said was that I didn't and I have no interest in debating over whose opinion was right. They both are.
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Post by: Mightily Oats on September 04, 2017, 02:16:51 AM
   I've never been a fan of Quietly's (I know I'm going to misspell these names) pouty-face leather butch boy artwork but I could have muddled through, but Morrissey's arbitrary rewrites of characters, histories & motivations sunk it for me.
Name them.
Magneto

I know you have a buzz word paragraph devoted to explaining it away, but

Magneto

Won't speak to anything else, but Morrison completely fucked up that character

And so have a lot of other writers, to be fair
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Red Exodus on September 04, 2017, 04:10:56 AM
Was not a fan of Whedon's run, likewise with Morrison.

Claremont all the way, there's no comparison.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Whiskeyclone on September 06, 2017, 08:53:09 PM
I overall like Morrison's run, but I definitely remember feeling like he played fast and loose with characterization.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Panthergod on September 06, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
   I've never been a fan of Quietly's (I know I'm going to misspell these names) pouty-face leather butch boy artwork but I could have muddled through, but Morrissey's arbitrary rewrites of characters, histories & motivations sunk it for me.
Name them.
Magneto

I know you have a buzz word paragraph devoted to explaining it away, but

Magneto

Won't speak to anything else, but Morrison completely fucked up that character

And so have a lot of other writers, to be fair

So nothing, as usual, then? Cool.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Not BAMF on September 07, 2017, 02:19:48 PM
Morrison's run is hard for me because I hate Quitely's art so very much. It's hard to enjoy anything that looks like that.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Whiskeyclone on September 08, 2017, 03:17:01 PM
It's also got what, Phil Jiminez & Chris Bachalo at some points? I think a 4th as well. But yeah the stories people remember most fondly are mostly Quitely-illustrated.
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Post by: Gree on September 09, 2017, 12:47:01 AM
Morrison's run is hard for me because I hate Quitely's art so very much. It's hard to enjoy anything that looks like that.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on September 09, 2017, 03:02:52 PM
Chris Claremont oc

Claremont recaps everything the reader needs to know like every issue. It's probably the one benefit to his lengthy expository style.

You don't need to know anything previously to jump on with Claremont. But you also probably need to have an appreciation for old school comic storytelling (which as you note is often extremely wordy and expository). Anyone who already likes comics will almost certainly enjoy Claremont's X-Men run, but someone who has never picked up a comic in their life might be put right the fuck off by 1970s/80s style dialogue/narration IMHO.

Honestly if I was introducing a complete comic virgin to a character I would probably be reluctant to give them anything older than a decade or two, at least initially. Even if the story quality isn't as good in the newer stuff.


Cheers.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: altoon on September 10, 2017, 06:21:36 AM
Morrison's run is hard for me because I hate Quitely's art so very much. It's hard to enjoy anything that looks like that.
And it got even worse as time went on.  I heard it was because they changed inker but at one point I needed an asprin after finishing an issue.
Title: Re: Best X-Men run to read for someone who's never read comics?
Post by: Tjackflash on September 10, 2017, 05:13:41 PM
   The best jumping on spot may be Whedon's first arc.  It's designed to be just that, and the storyline verbal style and John Cassidy's storyboard like art style would all be very familiar to action movie & TV watchers.