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Title: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on May 30, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
We're barely over a 100 days in Trump's administration but with the amount of 2020 talk, you would think it was a year away. I normally stray away from these type of conversations because you never really know whose going to run (for example, who would have thought people like Nikki Haley and Elizabeth Warren were not going to run in 2016?) and time really does matter, however for someone like Hillary Clinton I think it's a little different. In my opinion, if Hillary Clinton is going to run in 2020 then I think she already intends to. BIG "if."

Now, most of us acknowledge Hillary Clinton's ties with the establishment news. If she wants a talking point parroted, all she has to do is have her confidants make a few phone calls. When there was speculation she was running, no doubt a lot of it was based on her timing and her wishes. With that said here are a few recent headlines:

CNN anchor presses Rahm Emanuel to say whether he wants Hillary Clinton to run in 2020
http://www.businessinsider.com/rahm-emanuel-dodges-hillary-clinton-president-2020-2017-5
(of all the things to press on...remember CNN is dubbed the Clinton News Network)

Fine, Let’s Do This Again
Fine, Let’s Do This Again
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447428/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-2020-rematch

Hillary Clinton sounds like a presidential candidate
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-clinton-sounds-like-a-presidential-candidate/article/2624302

Free Beacon Special Report: Hillary Clinton Running for President in 2020
http://freebeacon.com/politics/free-beacon-special-report-hillary-clinton-running-for-president-in-2020/

Democrats divide on Bernie’s 2020 plans
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/bernie-sanders-democrats-2020-238425
(This just confirms that insiders are working on 2020 today.)

Hillary Clinton eyes the future as Democrats ponder her role
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/hillary-clinton-eyes-the-future-as-democrats-ponder-her-role-1.13683357

Video shows Hillary Clinton practicing avoiding Trump’s hugs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/19/video-shows-hillary-clinton-practicing-avoiding-trumps-hugs/?utm_term=.5fc0c4190385
(If you need further evidence that Hillary Clinton over plans)




Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 30, 2017, 12:25:15 PM
Well, the dem establishment and retard Hillary-bots are still smearing Sanders.  Human piles of shit like Joy Reid are doing the same on the news every chance they get.


I called it before that shitbag Hillary will run again.  It's still "her turn".
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Not BAMF on May 30, 2017, 12:39:08 PM
Jesus Christ, I hope not.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on May 30, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
naaa I dont think so. Think some people constantly worry about that idea, is people who WANT to keep that hate boner for her going

She gone for the most part. She doing speeches because she has some sway, but she not running.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 30, 2017, 12:46:24 PM
Considering your track record on issues of Hillary, I don't take your words as a sign of anything pointing toward Hillary not running.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on May 30, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
Considering your track record on issues of Hillary, I don't take your words as a sign of anything pointing toward Hillary not running.

Hey could be wrong

aint stopping you from enjoying that hate boner

But doubt she running.  Think they seem to be pushing for Warren.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 30, 2017, 05:06:38 PM
Not if the Democrats want to win the White House.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Thanos6 on May 30, 2017, 05:20:21 PM
I doubt it.  I think losing to this idiot sucked all the energy out of her.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on May 30, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
I think they'll run another corporate shill but it just won't be Hillary.  It'll probably be Kaine or someone else who barely has a pulse.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on May 30, 2017, 06:34:32 PM
Depends on what people consider a coparate Shill

I am thinking they should pick Warren..but that may pissed people off on both extremes
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on May 30, 2017, 06:58:21 PM
I think they'll run another corporate shill but it just won't be Hillary.  It'll probably be Kaine or someone else who barely has a pulse.

Guys like Cory Booker, etc.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: g-train on May 30, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
They should go for Tulsi Gabbard or Berny if they are smart.

Hell; even The Rock would be a better pick than Hillary or Warren at this point.

Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Uhtceare on May 30, 2017, 08:08:24 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking they will go with Cory Booker and Tim Kaine. Both are whores, but they will be the whores with the biggest establishment backing.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: g-train on May 30, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking they will go with Cory Booker and Tim Kaine. Both are whores, but they will be the whores with the biggest establishment backing.

And they'll lose.

Hell; Trump might even get to be president again.

Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Uhtceare on May 30, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking they will go with Cory Booker and Tim Kaine. Both are whores, but they will be the whores with the biggest establishment backing.

And they'll lose.

Hell; Trump might even get to be president again.

Most like it will be Mike Pence with a Kasich vp by the next election, but yeah I think the Dem establishment will blow this by insisting on whores.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Panthergod on May 30, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Personally I can't wait for the Den corporate globalist establishment to destroy themselves.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 31, 2017, 03:37:35 PM
This dumb cunt is on MSNBC speaking, as usual, blaming everyone but herself.

SEXISM!  COMEY!  THE RUSSIANS!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 31, 2017, 03:37:55 PM
Also ironic she is blaming bots when her campaign used bots as well.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on May 31, 2017, 10:00:20 PM
Or maybe she's blaming the Go Bots.  Stupid Transformer rip offs!  They ruined her campaign!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on June 01, 2017, 10:26:45 AM
Depends on what people consider a coparate Shill

I am thinking they should pick Warren..but that may pissed people off on both extremes

Be honest; If Hillary runs in 2020, you'll vote for her at least 4 times.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 01, 2017, 12:43:40 PM
Depends on what people consider a coparate Shill

I am thinking they should pick Warren..but that may pissed people off on both extremes

Be honest; If Hillary runs in 2020, you'll vote for her at least 4 times.

if she running against Trump..fuck yes I would

Hell I vote for you if you were running against trump


what do you think of a warren pick.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on June 01, 2017, 12:57:32 PM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: ProjectCornDog on June 01, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.

So only liberals who want war?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on June 01, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.

So only liberals who want war?

Why are you lumping all those people together under one banner?
 
I mean, some of them do not even agree with each other regarding issues like America's proper influence/presence in the Middle East.

To me, you ought to be generally populist in nature. That is the near future for the Democrats if they want to succeed. The corporate Dems serve no purpose.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on June 01, 2017, 04:21:49 PM
Wow, Hillary vs DWS? That is a toughie.

https://trofire.com/2017/05/31/clinton-throws-debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-bus-inherited-nothing/

Clinton Throws Debbie Wasserman Schultz, DNC Under the Bus: “I Inherited Nothing”

As it turns out, even when you rig a primary for a candidate and give her nothing but positive support, she may still turn on you.

In a tell-all interview conducted on Wednesday, former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton blamed the DNC structure, in part, for her presidential loss.

Clinton contended that when she joined the 2016 race as the Democratic nominee, she felt the DNC was sorely unprepared to run a competitive election. In the face of their apparent incompetence, Clinton said she and her team had to build their campaign from the ground up.

“So I’m now the nominee of the Democratic Party. I inherit nothing from the Democratic Party. I mean, it was bankrupt. It was on the verge of insolvency. Its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong. I had to inject money into it.”

Wow. I know of a certain Senator who would have been happy to have nothing as long as he had, I dunno, the nomination?

Moving on.

The blame may come as a surprise to those in the DNC whose dogged determination to support Clinton was the focus of criticism from the Progressive left. Many of us who supported Sanders and saw him mistreated by the DNC machine are left wondering, what more did she want?

As Clinton continued to explain, she felt that the organization of the DNC itself was pitiful compared to the “tried and true, effective foundation” given to Trump. Could Clinton have forgotten the DNC’s tried and true foundation used by Obama in 2008 and 2012?

Clinton’s blame about a lack of data is telling, especially because in some election postmortems, the Clinton campaign was accused of relying too much on data and not paying enough attention to reports from the field. As a result, Clinton lost some rural states that she could have possibly won had she made a stronger showing. Instead, Clinton trusted the data while the very states that Sanders won in the primary often went to Trump in November.

Truly, Clinton’s harsh words about the DNC should elicit conflicted feelings from any progressive. On one hand, criticism of the DNC and its former leader Debbie Wasserman Schultz are both warranted and necessary. On the other hand, Clinton’s failure to recognize how good she had it from the DNC is another sign of her continued blindness when it comes to 2016.

When you are given an all-but-rigged primary and are clearly the party favorite from the start, it’s never in good taste to later whine about how their devotion wasn’t really good enough. As they say, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, even if the horse doesn’t help you win the presidency.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 01, 2017, 04:29:29 PM
Maybe she expected the DNC to rig the national election as well?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on June 01, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
Depends on what people consider a coparate Shill

I am thinking they should pick Warren..but that may pissed people off on both extremes

Be honest; If Hillary runs in 2020, you'll vote for her at least 4 times.

if she running against Trump..fuck yes I would

Hell I vote for you if you were running against trump


what do you think of a warren pick.

You would vote for her regardless of who else is running. Not my first pick but better than who ran last time.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 01, 2017, 06:16:08 PM
well now, I would vote for Biden over her. Like Him. Like the what the obama admnistration did. Similar policies but has a better change

He got some populaist stance
Plays well with rural areas, urban area, minotiry area
Can get moderates
has both sides of the dem party


Dont think she should run again or will run again. But if you want to think she will to enjoy. Its to late for her now.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 01, 2017, 06:17:03 PM
Trump's​ legacy is going to be the opposite of what he thinks.

Hillary's legacy won't be far off. She's delusional.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on June 01, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
well now, I would vote for Biden over her. Like Him. Like the what the obama admnistration did. Similar policies but has a better change

He got some populaist stance
Plays well with rural areas, urban area, minotiry area
Can get moderates
has both sides of the dem party


Dont think she should run again or will run again. But if you want to think she will to enjoy. Its to late for her now.

So did Obama and you voted for Hillary over him.


Trump's​ legacy is going to be the opposite of what he thinks.

Hillary's legacy won't be far off. She's delusional.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 01, 2017, 07:17:12 PM
well now, I would vote for Biden over her. Like Him. Like the what the obama admnistration did. Similar policies but has a better change

He got some populaist stance
Plays well with rural areas, urban area, minotiry area
Can get moderates
has both sides of the dem party


Dont think she should run again or will run again. But if you want to think she will to enjoy. Its to late for her now.

So did Obama and you voted for Hillary over him.


Trump's​ legacy is going to be the opposite of what he thinks.

Hillary's legacy won't be far off. She's delusional.

Agreed.

Sure in the primary.  Figure there both the similar, why not voted for the person with the most expecrece. People of course disageed. Partly because Obama was for universal, and hillary was more pushing it slowly.

but I now think Obama not only better, but maybe one of the best presidents in history...better then Bill actully

And if it a choice between voting obama 3rd term..and any other person who ran in the primary...I would vote for obama in a heart beat
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 01, 2017, 11:43:55 PM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.

I'll take Bernie or Tulsi.  I don't know much about Khanna.

Warren is kinda iffy.  She isn't a corporate Democrat but she's okay playing ball with them.  She supported Hillary over Bernie and still defends her.  I gave up on her after that.

Biden is a corporate Democrat, though.  He's also the guy who wanted credit for drafting the Patriot Act.  The only real difference between him and Hillary is that he's charming.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 02, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.

I'll take Bernie or Tulsi.  I don't know much about Khanna.

Warren is kinda iffy.  She isn't a corporate Democrat but she's okay playing ball with them.  She supported Hillary over Bernie and still defends her.  I gave up on her after that.

Biden is a corporate Democrat, though.  He's also the guy who wanted credit for drafting the Patriot Act.  The only real difference between him and Hillary is that he's charming.

She didnt really support Hillary over bernie..she just didnt back anyone. She really only came out for Hillary when it was just about done
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 02, 2017, 02:16:19 AM
She didnt really support Hillary over bernie..she just didnt back anyone. She really only came out for Hillary when it was just about done

"I'm ready.  I'm ready to jump in this fight and make sure that Hillary Clinton is the next president of the United States and be sure that Donald Trump gets nowhere near the White House."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-backs-hillary-clinton-for-president/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-backs-hillary-clinton-for-president/)

Now sure, you can brush that off as her not wanting Trump as president, but that didn't stop her from recently going on The Young Turks and saying she thought the Democrat primaries went well.  And hell, the fact that she refused to endorse either until the smoke cleared tells me she's an opportunist, if anything.  Meanwhile, I don't think I've heard her criticize the party in a long time.  She might not be a CD as I mentioned before, but she doesn't really want to stand up against them, either.  She doesn't come off as sincere.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 02, 2017, 02:55:26 AM
She didnt really support Hillary over bernie..she just didnt back anyone. She really only came out for Hillary when it was just about done

"I'm ready.  I'm ready to jump in this fight and make sure that Hillary Clinton is the next president of the United States and be sure that Donald Trump gets nowhere near the White House."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-backs-hillary-clinton-for-president/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-backs-hillary-clinton-for-president/)

Now sure, you can brush that off as her not wanting Trump as president, but that didn't stop her from recently going on The Young Turks and saying she thought the Democrat primaries went well.  And hell, the fact that she refused to endorse either until the smoke cleared tells me she's an opportunist, if anything.  Meanwhile, I don't think I've heard her criticize the party in a long time.  She might not be a CD as I mentioned before, but she doesn't really want to stand up against them, either.  She doesn't come off as sincere.


But again what time did she say that..when the race was basicly over. You kind of admit as much. Which why Even Bernie ended up coming out for her. What she said really not that much different then what Bernie Said once he conceded.

From Bernie speech

"This election is about the single mom I saw in Nevada who, with tears in her eyes, told me that she was scared to death about the future because she and her young daughter were not making it on the $10.45 cents an hour she was earning. This election is about that woman, and the millions of other workers in this country who are falling further and further behind as they try to survive on totally inadequate wages.

Hillary Clinton understands that we must fix an economy in America that is rigged and that sends almost all new wealth and income to the top one percent. Hillary Clinton understands that if someone in America works 40 hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty.

She believes that we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage. And she wants to create millions of new jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. – our roads, bridges, water systems and wastewater plants.

But her opponent – Donald Trump – well, he has a very different view. He believes that states should have the right to lower the minimum wage or even abolish the concept of the minimum wage altogether. If Donald Trump is elected, we will see no increase in the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour – a starvation wage."

Our job now is to see that platform implemented by a Democratic Senate, a Democratic House and a Hillary Clinton president – and I am going to be in every corner of this country to make sure that happens.



and then later..try not to throw up in your mouth he said this..

"I have known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. We were a bit younger then. I remember her as a great first lady who broke precedent in terms of the role that a first lady was supposed to play as she helped lead the fight for universal health care. I served with her in the United States Senate and know her as a fierce advocate for the rights of children.

Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president
and I am proud to stand with her here today. Thank you all, very much!"


So dont see getting mad at Warren that much

Think the reason she didnt endorse anyone during the primary (even though she inline more with Bernie)..was for the same reason obama did back anyone during the primary (even though he more inline with Hillary) it because she didnt want negativly affect anyone. And when the dust settles she could back anyone. Even you admit she only came out when it was pretty much done

Now if that makes he unsincer. I say this.  Look at her record..then look more imporantly what she actully got passed. The cosumer protection act is a a great bill..that gave people back billons

if people want to vote Tulsa and Bernie over her..ok..wont argue with that. Hell I might once i learn more about Tulsa. But if Warren wins...she still a really good pick

People shouldnt put all there eggs in two baskets of Bernie and Tulsa. Because Bernie might not run. And Tulsa..just may get beat by Warren.

as for not going after dems..i know she critique Obama for taking money for paid speeches
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on June 02, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
As to the topic question, Hillary won't run again. But even if she did, she would not get far.

Too many people cannot stand her now.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Panthergod on June 02, 2017, 10:08:21 PM
Worthwhile candidates for the Dems in 2020 :

Bernie Sanders
Tulsi Gabbard
Liz Warren

Joe Biden would be acceptable to me.

Ro Khanna looks promising. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/   
Though it is early in the game there.

I'll take Bernie or Tulsi.  I don't know much about Khanna.

Warren is kinda iffy.  She isn't a corporate Democrat but she's okay playing ball with them.  She supported Hillary over Bernie and still defends her.  I gave up on her after that.

Biden is a corporate Democrat, though.  He's also the guy who wanted credit for drafting the Patriot Act.  The only real difference between him and Hillary is that he's charming.
He also drafted the 94 Crime Bill iirc... Meaning he's a racist piece of subhuman refuse.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 02, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Yeah, Biden is pretty rightwing but people don't seem to know that.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on June 03, 2017, 12:36:48 AM
Mean if signing the crime bill alone enough to brush someone away, that would mean Bernie wouldnt be elgible

I know people hate when I bring that up. He said he voted on it to get rid of assult weapons (voting on a version without said ban) but not only did he vote on it but brag about it when he ran in 2006

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/28/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-chuck-todd-debate-crime-bill-vote-a/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/10/podesta_sanders_voted_for_1994_crime_bill_bragged_about_it_as_late_as_2006.html

so lets not throw the baby out with the bath water here.

Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 03, 2017, 05:36:09 AM
Mean if signing the crime bill alone enough to brush someone away,

Literally no one in this thread said that.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on June 03, 2017, 08:20:23 AM
I feel what AP and Imperial do on all matters mentioned. Where they may disagree, split the difference.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 03, 2017, 11:37:48 AM
roc hate bowner for bwerny stronk wat u fink
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on June 03, 2017, 06:55:53 PM
Bernie and Tulsi would be my ideal 2020 ticket.

Liz Warren's tepid support of DAPL protesters did not sit well with me. But I still consider her a progressive. As of this moment, I would still vote for her rather than stray to a third party again. Barring Bernie or Tulsi being on that third party ticket, that is. Warren is subject to change if she sells out down the line.

I don't know much about Ro Khanna either. But much of his out of the usual box thinking echos things I believe in. He seems like someone worth keeping an eye on.

Quote
The way he sees it, Democrats have failed by not offering families a radical plan to end wage stagnation and bring prosperity to the middle class once again. He is working on a bill he believes will do just that, by boosting the Earned Income Tax Credit to provide as much as $6,000 a year for individuals and $12,000 for families. (That would roughly double the maximum payout for families, and increase it tenfold for childless workers.) The plan is being heralded as a move towards a universal basic income in the United States, and Khanna hopes to pair it with efforts to move federal jobs out of Washington, expand universities and colleges, and encourage investment in depressed communities.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
The fruits of the economy and all the advantages of technology and globalization have gone far more to the investor class and the professional class and not as much to the working class. Partly because of the loss of labor unions, partly because of things like a lack of antitrust enforcement, policies that have privileged shareholder returns.

How do we make up for that? That’s where this idea came of a trillion-dollar proposal came from. We would give a 20 percent raise to the bottom 20 percent of households in the income distribution, to compensate them for the stagnancy of wages since 1979.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
Maybe the four-year degrees aren’t as necessary. Maybe we need to have a more German-style apprenticeship model for some of these jobs—credentialing, ongoing technical training. We probably have to expand our thinking of what type of service jobs there will be.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
Look at the costs of broadband. The fact that there are only four [internet service providers] that really provide most of the service. That’s a direct consequence of our lack of antitrust enforcement. We need stronger Federal Trade Commission antitrust enforcement and protection, to make sure that companies don't have market power that provides an advantaged incumbency and does not allow new companies to come up.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
I think the FTC should be aggressive in antitrust enforcement regardless of industry, whether it's the tech industry, whether it’s ISPs, whether it’s airlines, whether it’s Wall Street banks. I don’t think just because something is technology that it’s exempt from strong antitrust protection. So we should beef up the FTC. We should beef up antitrust enforcement.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
I think the escalation in Afghanistan was a mistake. I think the interference in Ukraine in 2014—we shouldn’t have gotten as involved in the overthrow of the democratically elected leader there. I don’t think we should have gone into Libya. I think calling for regime change in Syria was a mistake. Not because Assad isn’t a terrible actor. But because American intervention has made things worse in many cases, and not made us more safe. I wish that there was a more non-interventionist foreign policy. I think we could have saved both a lot of money and had a safer world.

Quote from: Ro Khanna
The progressive wing of the party should not be afraid to lay out their vision of where do they want to take the country and what would an ideal society look like. Then we can negotiate the details. Right now we don’t even have a basic sense of what would we want if we had every branch of government.

Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Panthergod on June 04, 2017, 04:59:00 PM
Bernie is a blatant sheepdog selloua at this point.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: nu-safado on June 07, 2017, 11:16:46 PM
Good God Hillary shouldn't run again. How broken is the current Democratic party. They gotta get someone with a pulse nad some ideas
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 07, 2017, 11:48:37 PM
Good God Hillary shouldn't run again. How broken is the current Democratic party. They gotta get someone with a pulse nad some ideas

Yea, they had that with Bernie.  And I seem to recall you stroking off Hillary last election instead of him.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Rynox on June 08, 2017, 01:30:55 AM
But Hiwawe!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: g-train on June 08, 2017, 11:26:50 AM
But Hiwawe!

Yeah if they go with Hillary again; the fact the Democrats get paid to lose will be unfathomably obvious.

Either that or they are so incompetent that it's time to go with someone else regardless of intent.

Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: nu-safado on June 08, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on June 08, 2017, 03:01:11 PM
Have you considered seeking professional help?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 08, 2017, 06:06:35 PM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Panthergod on June 08, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on June 08, 2017, 08:33:22 PM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Are you applying that to both statements?

Hillary Clinton is garbage. You won't find any arguments here.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Mightily Oats on June 09, 2017, 01:06:13 AM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Hey

Remember when Hillary said she loved hot sauce and black people loved it?

Tacit concessions
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Panthergod on June 09, 2017, 01:15:57 AM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Hey

Remember when Hillary said she loved hot sauce and black people loved it?

Tacit concessions
She got clowned all over the internet. Try again...
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Mightily Oats on June 09, 2017, 01:17:34 AM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Hey

Remember when Hillary said she loved hot sauce and black people loved it?

Tacit concessions
She got clowned all over the internet. Try again...
yeah but not black internet

Which is empirically superior
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 09, 2017, 02:22:34 AM
I thought and still think Hillary would have made an excellent President. I underestimated  how bad of a politician she really is
Her political skill is what made her formidable in the first place. Her outright arrogance was her undoing.

Well, that, and her complete and utter evil that racist white liberals tacitly condoned and endorsed:
http://thegrio.com/2017/06/08/hillary-clinton-black-prison-labor/
Hey

Remember when Hillary said she loved hot sauce and black people loved it?

Tacit concessions
She got clowned all over the internet. Try again...
yeah but not black internet

Which is empirically superior

Did it ever go mainstream?  Seemed a lot of people didn't pick up on it and blame her for cultural appropriation or anything.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 09, 2017, 02:34:31 PM
She's been doing shit like that for years.  That's how she gets simple minded morons to vote for her.

Using Taylor Swift as her campaign song.  Why?  Because Taylor Swift is popular!

When asked what kind of music she likes?  She says Adele, because that's what's popular right now!

Prince dies, hey, lets change our campaign music to Prince for a day to show how hip we are!


And yes of course, hey blacks, I love hot sauce, and I know you do too!  Vote for me!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: 80sBaby on June 09, 2017, 03:10:29 PM
She's been doing shit like that for years.  That's how she gets simple minded morons to vote for her.

Using Taylor Swift as her campaign song.  Why?  Because Taylor Swift is popular!

When asked what kind of music she likes?  She says Adele, because that's what's popular right now!

Prince dies, hey, lets change our campaign music to Prince for a day to show how hip we are!


And yes of course, hey blacks, I love hot sauce, and I know you do too!  Vote for me!

The hot sauce was a nod to Beyoncé, just an FYI.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 09, 2017, 05:14:15 PM
I dont get the reference, but moving her operation to Harlem was obvious pandering.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on June 09, 2017, 07:57:36 PM
The Clinton's built their political careers on pandering. I'm just surprised that some people still haven't figured it out.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on June 09, 2017, 08:45:39 PM
Yeah, they seem very obviously fake.  Bill, at least, knows how to act naturally.  Hillary smiles like a robot who was programmed by aliens to mimic human emotions and one day, the robot will malfunction and bite someone's face off.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 09, 2017, 09:01:53 PM
Spoken like a true misogynist.  No wonder why you hate her.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: 80sBaby on June 09, 2017, 09:08:59 PM
I dont get the reference, but moving her operation to Harlem was obvious pandering.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on June 09, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
That link takes me to the youtube main page.  You have failed me and you have failed your race.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: 80sBaby on June 09, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
That may have actually been a blessing to you.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 27, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
http://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

Quote
Court Concedes DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schulz Rigged Primaries Against Sanders

In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, ““I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.” He added adding that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrongdoing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated.

On August 25, 2017, Federal Judge William Zloch, dismissed the lawsuit after several months of litigation in which DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to rig primaries and select their own candidate. “In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,” the court order dismissing the lawsuit stated. Though this assumption of a plaintiff’s allegation is inherently taken to be true in a class action lawsuit, the court’s decision reflects a dire state of democracy in this country where the DNC’s own rules in holding primary elections is out of the court’s hands, proving the DNC attorney’s claims that the DNC is within their right to rig primaries.

The order then explained why the lawsuit would be dismissed. “The Court must now decide whether Plaintiffs have suffered a concrete injury particularized to them, or one certainly impending, that is traceable to the DNC and its former chair’s conduct—the keys to entering federal court. The Court holds that they have not.” The court added that it did not consider this within its jurisdiction. “Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction, possessing ‘only that power authorized by Constitution and statute.'”

The order reaffirmed that the primaries were tipped in Hillary Clinton’s favor, but the court’s authority to intervene in a court of law is limited.

“The Court thus assumes that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz preferred Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate for president over Bernie Sanders or any other Democratic candidate. It assumes that they stockpiled information useful to the Clinton campaign. It assumes that they devoted their resources to assist Clinton in securing the party’s nomination and opposing other Democratic candidates. And it assumes that they engaged in these surreptitious acts while publically proclaiming they were completely neutral, fair, and impartial. This Order therefore concerns only technical matters of pleading and subject-matter jurisdiction.”

Jared Beck, one of the leading attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the lawsuit told The Observer, “The standard governing the motion to dismiss requires the court to accept all well-pled allegations as true for purposes of deciding the motion. Thus, the court recited the allegations of the Complaint that it was required to accept as true, and in so doing, acknowledged that the allegations were well pled. Indeed, if you look at the if you look at the Complaint, you will see that all of these allegations accepted by the Court specifically rely on cite materials that are readily available in the public record, and they support the inference that the DNC and the DWS rigged the primaries.”
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on August 27, 2017, 09:33:11 PM
But Hilary!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on August 28, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
It was sad watching the Hillary retards ignore that and do the usual BUT HE LOST DOE!  3 million votes!


That was their response to finding out the primary was rigged.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Wyntyr on August 28, 2017, 01:14:46 AM
Whoa gots mor boats, doe?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Wyntyr on August 28, 2017, 01:15:13 AM
HIWWAWEE, das hoo
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on August 28, 2017, 02:38:57 AM
It was sad watching the Hillary retards ignore that and do the usual BUT HE LOST DOE!  3 million votes!


That was their response to finding out the primary was rigged.

Oh, I've seen more than a few of these Kool-Aid drinkers flat out say it was within the DNC's rights to rig that shit.  Like, they had zero problem with primary rigging because... rights are overrated, I guess.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on August 28, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
Oh, by the way, the judge dismissed this anyway, probably because he was either paid off or threatened.

Cue Rock explaining that "Dems do no thing rong!"
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 28, 2017, 09:03:24 AM
As a Bernie Bro it's both reassuring and infuriating that she won the popular vote.

I hope Bernie runs one more time or at least goes out on the road as Tulsi's hype man.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on August 28, 2017, 09:08:43 AM
I was actually more annoyed that the DNC tried to pretend it was a neutral playing field and they weren't rigging anything. That's the problem I had with it.


If they had said "We needed the best candidate that fits our platform and Bernie is trying to change the platform!" I would have agreed with that reasoning.

Hillary and the DNC spent roughly 10 times what Trump spent and she lost decisively. Being unable to win your own primary without backdoor assistance does that.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on August 28, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
Oh, by the way, the judge dismissed this anyway, probably because he was either paid off or threatened.

Cue Rock explaining that "Dems do no thing rong!"

never said they didnt do anything wrong. Said they were bias

know that  because a response

"Well least you admit thier bias" from some of you guys in the less heated moments.  In fact called the debate the secret debates and said those fucked up. But guess that doesnt fit the narravite since I am the only pro hillary guy and it easier to rage against that way.

The times I disagreed with some people here is the claims they were making votes disssapear, or they change the voting rules. Since those rules were in place for a couple of elections. Or she only won close election because she won more open ones.  Or the wild ones where she was planting pedofiles pictures on Bernie faceook users, the Trump was a mole she planted, that the black lives matters were moles she planted, that google was working with her to only post posivtive Hillary stuff, that they murdered Seth Rich, or she was gleefully laughing about getting a rapist off, ...all shit that was brought up here

Think they played into Hillary winning, but Also Bernie not having a counter to Hillary southern wall did and the fact she does better with minorities.

Pointing that out not just true but something if people here TRULY want him to win next time they got to acknoweldge. Because Booker running. He may get a lot of the black votes which are strong. It may be smart for Bernie to try to get that vote away from him. May be smart to win southern states. Maybe smart to have better answers to how he will do some of the things he want in debates. Because him vs Cruz wasnt a blow out in debate. Biden currenty does better then him against Trump because of these thing. Be smart to fix some things up if he runs..and suck up some of his Rural votes.


Kind of Like the Russia thing. Russia influence  the election  but so did Hillary shitty stragedy with not runnig in the rural states


As for legalty. Sure MORALY their wrong. But by a pure legal matter. Yea they can say "Bernie not a democrat, he caucus with else but we want a full fledge democrat to represent the democrats". Now they shouldnt have pretended that wasnt what they were doing though
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 28, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
I really hope the DNC decides to change the status quo but I'm worry they will see the damage Trump is doing to the Reps and fight against people like Bernie again.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on August 28, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
I really hope the DNC decides to change the status quo but I'm worry they will see the damage Trump is doing to the Reps and fight against people like Bernie again.


Kind of Hope so to.

But what ever they change it to..if its a win for progressive, they need to know how to accept the win

Like if someone like Warren wins the primary...Hope people dont scream NEO LIBERAL...or fake progressive...and go "voting for Trump again to teach them a lesson"


or people come out and vote in 2018 because Bernie and Tulsa cant run for every seat
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on August 28, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
If vote for Warren over Trump but she's baby steps at most.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on August 28, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
I don't know she did some pretty good things and for most of the progressive stuff.  medicare for all, minimum wage, free college

got the consumer protections act

other then Say Tulsa, and Bernie...cant think of that many people more progressive then her.

This is what I would do if I was running the the dem party. Push hard for Bernie..with Tulsa as a VP. Or vice versa. If Bernie doesnt run. Tulsa or Waren.  Think Warren Good but not a hill I particully winning to die on if people think she a fake progressive.  So Warren 3rd.  Maybe her on the ticket. But two women might be a hard sale

Biden I like. Actully does better in a head to head match up. Does well with Rural voters and moderates. But then again not a Hill I am going to die on


As for lowers seats depends on the area. The Joe machins got to go.  But also have no issue with running a campaign differently in a red state then I would a Blue state.

Would understand there two kind of social issues.

One that effect people lives, pocket book and basic rights

other shit like fighting the word bossy, or Jump down people throats for honest mistakes

dont confused the two..and dont let your enemies confuse it either. Like I wouldnt be taking down the Washinton monumnets. But if  A nazi run over someone and the president doesnt call that out..it not being SJW to point that out
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 05, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
Looks like the dumb cunt is blaming Sanders and the "lasting effect of his attacks" on her as one of the many reasons she was a pile of shit who couldn't even beat Trump.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 05, 2017, 08:06:07 AM
By "attacks", she means "telling the truth".
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 05, 2017, 08:23:06 AM
Yea I love that her and her shitbag support can slam him left and right, but he cant actually call her out without it being a problem because SHES A WOMAN!
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on September 05, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
This is sad even by her standards. Hillary go back into, and stay in, the woods.

(https://s6.postimg.org/ficxoo1n5/DI6_Ygdq_Vw_AA5_Kuz.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 05, 2017, 02:57:33 PM
Hillary Clinton has to make some more money blaming everybody except herself for her epic loss. Her credibility on this matter is an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 05, 2017, 04:05:00 PM
Hillary Clinton has to make some more money blaming everybody except herself for her epic loss. Her credibility on this matter is an absolute joke.

Yes. Applaud. The above isn't the only passage from her book I've seen explaining how it was Bernie's fault she lost. "The DNC rigged that shit so good for me, but look at how Bernie still made me lose! Blame him! Not my fault!"

She is so damn awful, that she lost to Trump and that is on her, bc Trump is an absolute garbage person that a dick pic in a tie could have beaten him. Yet she still lost. Oh man, guys, I'm getting heated. Deep breathes. This is nothing new.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 05, 2017, 04:08:26 PM
Well I can't wait for Joy Reid to talk about this and get a fully black panel to come on and agree with her about how Sanders and his supporters are the worst.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 05, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
I've never seen any of Joy Reid's on air commentary, and this whole time, every time you've mentioned her, I always pictured Joy Behar. Just googled Reid and some of the things you've said  re: her now make a little more sense.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 05, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
Haha I did the exact same thing a while ago.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 05, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
That passage is so maddening.  It's false, passive-aggressive, and narcissistic as all get out.

Also, why is she referring to her own husband as "Clinton"?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 05, 2017, 06:13:17 PM
Probably because her name is also Clinton and she is low key trying to take some of the credit.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 05, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
I wonder who her ghost writer was for this.  Debbie Wasserman Schultz?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 05, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
Probably because her name is also Clinton and she is low key trying to take some of the credit.

I wouldn't put it past her.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Mightily Oats on September 05, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
what a fucking mess this stupid cunt is

how many hair weaves does rock have to make to keep this fat bitch in devil dogs anyways?
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Imperial on September 06, 2017, 12:45:20 PM
Another Hillary-ism

(https://s6.postimg.org/a17rgy6a9/DI5aqw_WXUAIELs_Z_1.jpg)

(https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/54c941d/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fb3%2Fae%2Fb327750740b385fa6703d0480330%2Fthumb-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 06, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
This confirms my suspicion that she hates Bernie more than she hates Trump.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 07, 2017, 12:00:58 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-verrit-hackers-hit-new-political-media-platform-ddos-attack-after-clintons-endorsement-1637966 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-verrit-hackers-hit-new-political-media-platform-ddos-attack-after-clintons-endorsement-1637966)

Hillary's people tried to create a social platform for Hillary.  It was hacked in an hour.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: XerxesTWD on September 07, 2017, 12:13:17 AM
She basically tried to start her own subreddit.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 07, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
I hope they get the site back.  That thing will be a troll heaven.  It'll be hit worse than Shia LeBouf's "He Will Not Divide Us" thing.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 07, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349598-warren-co-sponsoring-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill

Warren is now coming around just like Harris. Maybe Hillary saw this coming which is why she is acting so bitter.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 07, 2017, 07:52:56 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349598-warren-co-sponsoring-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill

Warren is now coming around just like Harris. Maybe Hillary saw this coming which is why she is acting so bitter.

I'm so glad.  It was concerning me that she was trying to play ball with corporate dems too much.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on September 08, 2017, 09:51:17 AM
http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-already-working-follow-book-casting-blame--56870?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 08, 2017, 01:13:51 PM
very good, onion. Neo gets your applause.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 09, 2017, 05:18:22 AM
Jimmy Dore demolishes her book in the most glorious ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj7jerlSML4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj7jerlSML4)

The key moment occurs when Dore points out that Clinton and Obama tried to obliterate all the Democrat successes she mentioned in her book.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 12, 2017, 08:06:26 AM
Ok, good news. She won't run again officially. Just speak poorly of Bernie and say how it's all his fault while cashing in. Very on-brand, HC
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 12, 2017, 08:10:09 AM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hillary-clinton-says-election-loss-still-very-painful-she-wont-run-again-2017-09-10

Quote
Hillary Clinton on Sunday described the lingering pain of being “gobsmacked” after losing the presidency 10 months ago to Donald Trump and said she wouldn’t be a candidate for office ever again.

Though she's not a very consistent person, so IDK. It looks clear though.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 12, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
Ok, good news. She won't run again officially. Just speak poorly of Bernie and say how it's all his fault while cashing in. Very on-brand, HC

That's some good news.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: LiquidSailor on September 12, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-i-beat-sanders-in-a-%E2%80%98landslide%E2%80%99/ar-AArOFlh?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-i-beat-sanders-in-a-%E2%80%98landslide%E2%80%99/ar-AArOFlh?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)

More blame on Sanders and his evil supporters.


She also mentions how she beat him "in a landslide" ignoring that she rigged the primaries and media coverage.  And voter purges, etc.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 12, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
There is this huge villainization of Sanders and his supporters by Clinton and hers. A lot of sweeping statements of righteous condemnation

1) "all msygonists" (you failed me spell check, twice now) -- this one seems to be a leading narrative, the legend of The Bernie Bro, which is almost undoubtedly something that exists as they are characterized but in no way represents the VAST majority of those who support Sanders. Though any critique of her is supposedly criticism of women. The Future is Female and all of that, but not liking one woman does not... well I think you all know where this is going. She is not every woman. No more than Sarah Pallen, or Carli Fiorini. They'd kill to be able to work the system for personal gain as well as she has. AKA hardly this embodiment of "every-woman" or even an "every, white, christian, woman" that she seems to get painted as by some of her supporters.

2) "Bernie didn't campaign for her " -- bullshit, obviously. He very much did. Much to the distaste of some his supporters. He lost some in the process, but those people aren't seeing the bigger picture. In part I didn't care for it, but I at least understood it. The simple math was either her or Trump and as bad as she is, well... Trump. Charles Manson looks pretty good as a candidate when Trump is in the running.

3) "Bernie wrote a book too and no one got upset." -- That of course leaves out that her book is about how it's all everyone else's fault, and how innocent she is and how she did nothing wrong, but see LS's post above, we know how untrue that is. And that's just the really egregious stuff. There was also simple plain missed opportunities. Choosing a running mate with leftish vales instead to court some of those who were feeling like their voices were being suppressed instead of that forgettable centrist piece of wonder bread, whats-his-face. How-bow-dat? Maybe spending time campaigning in the states where Trump was strong and Clinton was not? Something, apparently, Bill had mentioned to do, so it's not like the idea wasn't out there, but she was just so damn self-assured in the impossibility of her loss. Bringing it back to the book comparison, meanwhile Bernie's book had nothing but info on how to move forward given the circumstances. Two very different situations.

Don't see the fractures on the left healing anytime soon. For my part, I tend to be a little more reserved when talking about this in most places, bc I feel that those who backed her realized that she and what she represents are not right for this moment, and yeah, at some point her values where the way to go, but that point is gone and if the party means to carry on it will need to figure that out. She's always saying that people with the values on the left maybe aren't with the right group by being with dems, but the truth is a third party option just doesn't work right now. You want to cling to the past system, HRC, maybe it's time to figure out that the Democrats are not for you.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on September 12, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Think the book was a mistake. While I agree with some of the complaints (which I wont go into to avoid rage Bombs)  saying them really not helping. It dividing an already divide people and only just makes them angry. Dems dont need this in fighting

Reather the hate is fair or not..it best to avoid shit like this and lay low for a while and dissapear for a bit. Read some books, get into pottery, fuck an intern.  Which is why you dont see me commenting on this very much despite the multiple shout outs...since doing my part to heal the divide


Only things the worry me about some of the other side, is this whole word tossed around Fake progressive. The whole Warren is a fake progressive, multiple people are secret republicans. Obama was just Bush. issue with that is Bernie and Tulscan cant run for every seat in 2018.  Dont see how we winning that wiht that attitude.  I mean if in manchin..can see not coming out. But if it say Warren vs a Cruz and people like "I cant vote for either of them" then where fucked because there are that many people running to the left of Warren. Also dont see why if you running in a Red state vs a Blue state you shouldnt run those campaigns slightly differently. Because those 30 percent of Trump guys are guranteed voters.  They WILL come out. And the way our system set up...thier single voted counts more them multiples times of our single vote. Also if you fighting for progressive policies you do have to point out where it WORKED. If you paint any progressive post Bernie Revoltion as usleess...why would anyone go for them just because you added JUSITCE to them.. You can point out..yea the auto bailout work, consumer protetcion work, minum wage in these state work..without feeling like your sucking any coparate dems dick. Jus

You should still try to get someone as progressive as possible. But also know when to get to yes and dont make the climb to what consider progressive to high. For instance my personal stance on Minum wage, is it should depend on the area. Sometimes that less then 15, sometimes that MORE then 15. But that type of shit in considered neo liberal coprarist shit now a days


Also decided where we put Idenity poltics. Stuff about trigger warnings, and every dumb Tweet we shouldnt dog pile on. Saying extreme Islam, or more Boarder securty make you racist. Hell not even being agianst affirmitive action does. But sometimes Ecconomics and Sociol issues intersect. And some  peopel who want to ignore those in Hopes of playing smart politics..tend to be the ones not effected by those issue. And the ones who are may not have a choice to just ignore those things. And lot of people who seem progressive that I know can get pretty racist on the muslim shit. Surprisnly so. While saying extreme mulsim isnt racist...we cant go after thier famiiles or any crazy shit like that. The banned was wrong. Lets not become fucking savages here. Because rights that fuck with minorities..tend to fuck with everyone in a long run


Also cool it with the rioting, blocking traffics and general annoying shit

Also lastly while a lot of the book is making excuses. There are some stuff we got to keep an eye on. Trolls and the facebook stuff to divide the left(although the dems didnt help themselves). Some of the Bernie pro rap..was Some the Russians guys posing as them. Also they been messing with other left wing groups. So they not going to stop doing this shit once Hillary out. So best find a way to counter it

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-01/russia-linked-bots-hone-online-attack-plans-for-2018-u-s-vote


Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: scourge on September 12, 2017, 03:13:56 PM
Wow, I actually agree with several things you said. #healingthedivide
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: AP on September 12, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
I remember debating about Bernie Sanders on fb with some idiot and he thought I was a Russian spy.  Hilarious stuff.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: Snake-eyes on September 12, 2017, 07:01:22 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hillary-clinton-says-election-loss-still-very-painful-she-wont-run-again-2017-09-10

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Hillary Clinton on Sunday described the lingering pain of being “gobsmacked” after losing the presidency 10 months ago to Donald Trump and said she wouldn’t be a candidate for office ever again.

Though she's not a very consistent person, so IDK. It looks clear though.

Hillary has played the "I'm not going to/have no plans to run" game before.
Title: Re: Will Hillary Clinton run again in 2020?
Post by: therock on September 12, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
Wow, I actually agree with several things you said. #healingthedivide

well think most bernie fans and hillary fans if you sat them down would mostly agree. hell im left of you on some issues

for some reason this was one of the most emotionlt base elections ever

some hill fans were condescending  and played the gender

some bernie fans were ... going to be a bit overzealous ... to the point of offputting

sure some people accuse ap of   being russian spie

i got accuse of being a paid shill, house slave, sjw, who hates whites.. good Times

think people underestimated the or bust parts. since lot of hillary people like me who had no huge issue with bernie and would of voted for him. and probally would of got over any insults toward them. like i got over any chelsia insults pretty quick since know things can get heated. so least TRIED not to be insulting back didnt always succeed