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Title: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 03:17:28 AM
Screen Junkies seem to really dig it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwNWC7sHu4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwNWC7sHu4)

Collider and Verge say it's good but doesn't quite surpass the original.
http://collider.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-review/ (http://collider.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-review/)

http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/24/15394108/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-review-chris-pratt-marvel (http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/24/15394108/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-review-chris-pratt-marvel)
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 05:04:54 AM
91% on RT at the moment.

Some more reviews:

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/guardians-galaxy-vol-2/review/ (http://www.empireonline.com/movies/guardians-galaxy-vol-2/review/)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/apr/24/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-film-review-chris-pratt-baby-groot-vin-diesel (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/apr/24/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-2-film-review-chris-pratt-baby-groot-vin-diesel)
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on April 24, 2017, 06:46:51 AM
I expect a lot of reviews will say the soundtrack just isn't as good as the soundtrack in #1.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 08:33:24 AM
When is this out?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on April 24, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
Next week.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 09:01:50 AM
I expect a lot of reviews will say the soundtrack just isn't as good as the soundtrack in #1.

The soundtrack isn't quite as groovy, although there is a George Clinton Parliament song on it.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Insane Titan on April 24, 2017, 05:48:18 PM
When is this out?
this Thursday UK
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on April 24, 2017, 11:07:34 PM
I wonder if those of us for whom this was in the middle pack of the MCU will actually like it more than Vol 1...
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ditto on April 25, 2017, 06:35:46 AM
I wonder if those of us for whom this was in the middle pack of the MCU will actually like it more than Vol 1...

You mean people who were wrong?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on April 25, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
Eh, I'm not saying the movie sucked. Just never was my favorite.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on April 29, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
Saw it today, really liked it. Probably more than the first actually although I didn't love that quite as much as some.

Drags a bit around the middle act and some of the humour verges towards "a bit much" but overall it hits the right notes and is on occasion hilarious.

The credit scenes were a bit underwhelming mind you.


Cheers.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Strange on April 29, 2017, 12:46:18 PM
Your face is underwhelming, Liam.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 01:22:09 PM
Plain rude
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 30, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
Your face is underwhelming, Liam.
Liam's face is easily top tier
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on April 30, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
I'm seeing it on Wednesday or Thursday.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on April 30, 2017, 08:54:44 PM
Why not both?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on April 30, 2017, 09:24:48 PM
I just might.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: altoon on May 01, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
I heard they confirm Stan Lee is a Watcher in this?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 01, 2017, 01:14:31 PM
He was just hanging out with them.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 01, 2017, 01:20:43 PM
Also, the movie was pretty good.  Not sure if I'd say it was better than the first, but still good.

I was happy that Drax had a bigger role and got to speak more.

They had a lot of random cameos, but since I'm not super familiar with comics, I don't know who they were supposed to be.


Not getting into major plot spoilers since this isn't the thread for that, however for the end credits, I will spoil those:














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final warning


































First scene is some comical shit with Yondu's arrow getting stuck in Drax.


Second is a throwback to the original members of the Guardians of the Galaxy.  I don't know who they are.  A giant black guy, a chick, a red alien, and a talking helmet (Rom the Spaceknight?)  And their leader who was played by Stallone.





Third scene was the Sovern talking about shit, and she says they came up with the next highest form of evolution, and they wheel out a golden cocoon that she says "I think ill call it Adam"



4th scene shows that Groot is growing again.  He's tiny the whole movie, but this scene shows him in a roughly "teenage sized body"






5th scene is the Watchers walking away from Stann lee in his space suit, where Stan was asking how he was supposed to get home, and mentioning he has many more stories to tell.



And as the credits scroll you see random pictures of the Guardians, as well as others.  I was pleased to see Cosmo.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Fifthchild on May 02, 2017, 11:30:30 AM
Saw it on Sunday night:

Overall thought it wasnt quite as good as the first film but still pretty good. Like Liam says there are a few times when it pushes for jokes that fall flat - its probably best when its showing more heart - again like the first film.

The Good:

Most of the humour is well done - a lot of good lines/scenes. Drax in particular stands out here.

Stan Lee cameo is pretty cool.

Kurt Russell is perfectly cast. Mantis is good.

Effects are great. They pull out the Ant Man/Douglas de-ageing stuff on Russell and it looks seamless.

The Bad:

Feels slightly more formulaic - the music thing gets a bit old, a few Whedon-style jokes are very predictable. But it never gets too bad and the movie fortunately finds a fairly solid emotional core so that it survives these missteps.

Some early scenes of exposition with Yondu feels a bit clunky (to be honest i couldn't remember shit about his character though)

Other:

Stallone is in this for like 2 minutes tops.

A lot of end credit scenes as mentioned.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 02, 2017, 05:10:52 PM
Russell said his de-aging was mostly make up with only some CGI bits.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 03, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
I liked it.  I might have even liked it better than the first.

The Good:

- They managed to top the opening scene of the first movie.

- I laughed harder than I did watching the first one.

- It got me in the feels, especially the last half.

- I like that they get into the cosmic stuff with Ego and other things I don't wanna spoil.  With Thor and Dr. Strange nudging at it in the past, I'm glad this movie just goes balls deep.

- Kurt Russel

- It expands on everyone's backstories a lot more.  This includes Nebula.  We get a better feel for her character and her relationship with Gamora.

The Bad:

- There was some mood whiplash going on here.  The scene where Taserface starts killing Ravagers who were loyal to Yondu is pretty damn dark, but it comes smack dab in the middle of goofy shenanigans.  The final scene is a little uneven as well where the flick tries to be sad, funny, and uplifting at the same time.  It gets awkward.

- Most of the after credit scenes were just gags that were kinda "meh".  There was only one that set up future stuff.

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- I'm not digging the concept of the original GOTG being just a bunch of Ravagers.  I can't say that I was ever much of a fan of the original team, but I think it's a waste not to have room for a cosmic superteam from the future to show up some time.

- The Teenage Groot was the only funny after-credits gag.  But it was funny as hell.

- I'm looking forward to seeing Adam Warlock.

- I really dug Quill and Ego's fight.

- Did not expect David Hasselhoff.

- I'm guessing Stan Lee isn't a Watcher, but it's confirmed he's been the same dude each time.

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Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 03, 2017, 10:36:27 AM
Any idea who those two blue guys were when Rocket and Yondu started their warp jump?

The two blue guys fighting on that random planet?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 03, 2017, 10:54:20 AM
Any idea who those two blue guys were when Rocket and Yondu started their warp jump?

The two blue guys fighting on that random planet?

I wondered that too.  I'm guessing it was just some random shit to show while they were hoping through space.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 03, 2017, 11:00:10 AM
Yea but I feel nothing is done without purpose, and they might be some cameo of some kind.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 08:02:01 AM
Real fun movie. I think I liked it better than the first. It was surprisingly dense with character arcs but Gunn didn't seem to drop the ball on it. Ego reminded me of Kurt's character from Sky High.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 08:02:43 AM
Well at first anyways.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 05, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
He reminded me of Starman in the flashback.  The old Jeff Bridges movie, not the DC character, btw.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 05, 2017, 09:44:49 AM
Neither of you two have a clue who those two blue guys were?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 05, 2017, 10:51:03 AM
I think the internet would have found out by now if they were meant to be anything.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 11:19:46 AM
Yeah I think they were just random aliens.

(SPOILERS!)










 
I find it interesting that Ego was a Celestial but he acted like he was the only one but The Collector already explained their were other Celestials. Which means Ego was abandoned by the other Celestials.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Von Doom on May 05, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
Yeah I think they were just random aliens.

(SPOILERS!)




 
I find it interesting that Ego was a Celestial but he acted like he was the only one but The Collector already explained their were other Celestials. Which means Ego was abandoned by the other Celestials.

Yeah, that kind of bugged me. It honestly felt like an oversight of some kind. You would think when he told Peter he was a Celestial, Peter would've said something like "Oh, you mean those huge, ancient world destroyers that had the infinity stones?"

I guess Peter could have just forgotten about them, but that seems like a pretty weak explanation.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 11:40:14 AM
I think he was the last one before they vanished. He knew about the stones so I assume he knew how they were created. He probably knows that Knowhere was he head of a Celestial.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 05, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Ego's motivations didnt really add up either.

He basically wanted to find life.  He did, but said he didn't care for what he found.

But then he says he really liked Quill's mom and if he went back again, he would stay there.  So he had to give her the tumor.

That seems to contradict his statement of not caring for the life he found.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Von Doom on May 05, 2017, 11:52:26 AM
Yeah, that's true. I kind of saw it like how Gamora (was it Gamora, I don't remember) said Mantis was kind of like a puppy. If you wanted to find life, and all you found were puppies, you might be pretty upset by that. However, if you spent enough time with them, you might decide to stay with them and not kill them all. And fuck them, I guess.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 12:08:03 PM
Ego's motivations didnt really add up either.

He basically wanted to find life.  He did, but said he didn't care for what he found.

But then he says he really liked Quill's mom and if he went back again, he would stay there.  So he had to give her the tumor.

That seems to contradict his statement of not caring for the life he found.

I understood it as Starlords mom being the only thing he found worth anything in the Universe.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: g-train on May 05, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Ego's motivations didnt really add up either.

He basically wanted to find life.  He did, but said he didn't care for what he found.

But then he says he really liked Quill's mom and if he went back again, he would stay there.  So he had to give her the tumor.

That seems to contradict his statement of not caring for the life he found.

I understood it as Starlords mom being the only thing he found worth anything in the Universe.

Haven't seen the movie yet; probably should have before I read this thread but that's on me.

But you know; considering the Celestials basically work for God, Starlord's mom was actually kind of right when she said his dad was an "Angel from Heaven".
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 05, 2017, 08:28:08 PM
Yeah I think they were just random aliens.

(SPOILERS!)










 
I find it interesting that Ego was a Celestial but he acted like he was the only one but The Collector already explained their were other Celestials. Which means Ego was abandoned by the other Celestials.



















I got the impression that Ego came sometime after the previous Celestials died.





































Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 05, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
I think the implication was that what disappointed him about them was that they were mortal, and he wasn't. So he decided to create another immortal, and kill all the mortals who caused him pain by dying on him. He could have stayed with the mom, but he would have died because his mind would have been separated from his immortal true body for too long. He was really, really tempted to just abandon his plan, and live out one mortal life with his family, but he was too egotistical to give in to that temptation and choose his plan over family. And he killed the mom so he would never be tempted by mortality again. This makes him the dark reflection of Starlord, who ultimately chooses to be a mortal "just like everyone else" because he loves his family. There's a lot of foreshadowing about this, talking about how Starlord is "full of himself", i.e. egotistical, and of course the constant references to family. Starlord fantasizes about the perfect family, dissatisfied with the family he has now, composed of the Guardians plus his adoptive dad, but ultimately chooses the flawed by loving family he currently has. Ego fantasizes about having the perfect family, as immortal and godlike as he is, and so destroyed the family he already had, i.e. his mortal wife and many mortal children.

Basically the whole movie is an aesop about family. Which is more important, your own ego and fantasizes about the family you could have, or loving the family you have right here and now?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 05, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
Didn't read any of your bullshits and tricks. I'm in my seat waiting for it to start now.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 05, 2017, 09:35:26 PM
I think the implication was that what disappointed him about them was that they were mortal, and he wasn't. So he decided to create another immortal, and kill all the mortals who caused him pain by dying on him. He could have stayed with the mom, but he would have died because his mind would have been separated from his immortal true body for too long. He was really, really tempted to just abandon his plan, and live out one mortal life with his family, but he was too egotistical to give in to that temptation and choose his plan over family. And he killed the mom so he would never be tempted by mortality again. This makes him the dark reflection of Starlord, who ultimately chooses to be a mortal "just like everyone else" because he loves his family. There's a lot of foreshadowing about this, talking about how Starlord is "full of himself", i.e. egotistical, and of course the constant references to family. Starlord fantasizes about the perfect family, dissatisfied with the family he has now, composed of the Guardians plus his adoptive dad, but ultimately chooses the flawed by loving family he currently has. Ego fantasizes about having the perfect family, as immortal and godlike as he is, and so destroyed the family he already had, i.e. his mortal wife and many mortal children.

Basically the whole movie is an aesop about family. Which is more important, your own ego and fantasizes about the family you could have, or loving the family you have right here and now?

I am Groot*



*Vin Diesel monologue about family
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 05, 2017, 10:32:09 PM
Yeah, I thought F&F when he said that line.

This movie was fantastic! Best line: Yes Drax. I have a penis.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Average John on May 05, 2017, 11:28:11 PM
Just got out of the theater. No way was it better than the first. Everything that could have gone wrong in the first went wrong in the second. It was over written, a lot of the jokes fell flat. Kurt Russell was the bright spot. It wasn't terrible but i haven't been this disappointed in a marvel movie since Iron man 3.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 05, 2017, 11:58:49 PM
Wow, AJ coming out with the hate.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Hulk Victorious on May 06, 2017, 12:15:08 AM
Does Jeff Bridges and Kurt Russel resemble each other a bit?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2017, 12:53:21 AM
Does Jeff Bridges and Kurt Russel resemble each other a bit?
You'll have to post some pictures to support your comparison because I don't see it.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2017, 12:54:02 AM
This was great. I may see it again this weekend.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 12:55:13 AM
Haha a friend if mine on facebook thought it was Jeff Bridges. At first I thought he too was making a Starman reference.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
Does Jeff Bridges and Kurt Russel resemble each other a bit?

No, but that's not why the beginning reminded me of Starman.  It's the 80's setting with a human alien happily showing off alien stuff to an Earth chick.  It was just the general concept that did it for me.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 09:06:40 AM
Going back to the fighitng aliens for a bit.

According to Mr Sunday Movies, the two big aliens fighting were supposed to be Kronans (Korg's people), but they didn't look like them to me.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 06, 2017, 09:09:50 AM
There were rock monsters and another set of blue aliens. I thought the rock ones were Kronans.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
There were rock monsters and another set of blue aliens. I thought the rock ones were Kronans.

Yeah, I recall giant blue aliens fighting.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 06, 2017, 09:29:03 AM
There were rock monsters and another set of blue aliens. I thought the rock ones were Kronans.

Yeah, I recall giant blue aliens fighting.

The Kronans weren't fighting, iirc. Just standing around.

Also, how did Ayesha  (who is ridiculously hot, btw) know exactly how much blue cloth to bring when she first met with Yondu? Nitpick but it just stood out to me.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 09:47:34 AM
She didn't.  She ran out remember?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Average John on May 06, 2017, 09:48:13 AM
Wow, AJ coming out with the hate.

It's true. I did not like this movie very much.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 09:55:35 AM
There were rock monsters and another set of blue aliens. I thought the rock ones were Kronans.

Yeah, I recall giant blue aliens fighting.

The Kronans weren't fighting, iirc. Just standing around.

Also, how did Ayesha  (who is ridiculously hot, btw) know exactly how much blue cloth to bring when she first met with Yondu? Nitpick but it just stood out to me.

Because she is a perfect being.

She didn't.  She ran out remember?

She ran out as soon as he got to Yondu. She had the exact amount she needed.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
The cloth was moving with her. That's why there were 4 people doing it instead of 2. It was a loop.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
It seemed to be they ran out a few yards away.  Unless she was planning on speaking to him while standing a little ways off.  Considering her personality, that might be true.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 06, 2017, 10:52:33 AM
Also the music in this one was shit compared to the first.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 10:55:42 AM
It seemed to be they ran out a few yards away.  Unless she was planning on speaking to him while standing a little ways off.  Considering her personality, that might be true.

Yeah thats how I saw it. Or to force him to move closer.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2017, 10:57:28 AM
It seemed to be they ran out a few yards away.  Unless she was planning on speaking to him while standing a little ways off.  Considering her personality, that might be true.
Why would she want to get closer to dirty Yondu? She wanted to bang Starlord and stayed away from him, too.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
I really liked Yondu and Rockets interaction with each other. Especially when they started to fuck shit up. I'm a little disappointed we won't get more of that.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 06, 2017, 11:27:03 AM
Yeah, this movie had a few slow spots, but it was still pretty great.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 06, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
Its one of those flicks that you watch once and likely will never be able to sit through an entire viewing again. It was ok, had some funny scenes, but I felt like it was all fucking one lines, with like 12 mins of actually story plot. It got pretty tiresome after awhile.

Drax for example was painful to watch a lot of the time, but he also had some of the best lines. If they calmed down the fucking idiocy of the guy by 50% he would have been golden. Just shit like that on so many levels.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 06, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
It felt like a sitcom. It was the sort of writing that would be great as a ten minute video on youtube. But as a two hour movie you paid for, it was kind of bland.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Average John on May 06, 2017, 01:44:51 PM
These guys get it. Drax, the fighter of the team, never fought. He was a stand up comedian for 2 hours.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 06, 2017, 04:18:01 PM
In fact I'd say that superhero movies are increasingly written as if they were episodes in a show like Flash or such. This was basically a season finale episode plus the first episode of the next season. Season finale: Starlord meets someone claiming to be his father. Next season first episode: the rest of the movie.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
So the basically the movie introduced a plot line then resolved the plot line. Like most movies.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Kallor on May 06, 2017, 05:22:49 PM
Yeah, that's an odd criticism.  Not sure what he's even trying to say regarding the season finale stuff, honestly.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 06, 2017, 05:24:48 PM
Its like in the Matrix where the first half of the money is about how Neo might be the one. Then the second half of the movie is him realizing he really is the one. Just like tv.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 06, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Almost as if movies are broken up into acts. Weird.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 06, 2017, 06:27:55 PM
There's a different flavor to the way TV does this sort of thing compared to standard movies. Like in Matrix his becoming The One truly makes him a fundamentally different character than he started. In a TV show, the progress is far more incremental, and leaves him fundamentally the same person despite learning a small but valuable lesson.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 06, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
There's a different flavor to the way TV does this sort of thing compared to standard movies. Like in Matrix his becoming The One truly makes him a fundamentally different character than he started. In a TV show, the progress is far more incremental, and leaves him fundamentally the same person despite learning a small but valuable lesson.

I think Quill changed a bit.  He seemed to appreciate Yondu a lot more due to meeting Ego.

These guys get it. Drax, the fighter of the team, never fought. He was a stand up comedian for 2 hours.

What about jumping into the Abelisk and trying to stab him from the inside out?  He also tied himself to the ship and hung out in space so he can shoot some bad guys. 
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 06, 2017, 10:28:47 PM
Can we just make this the official spoiler thread?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Speed of Zound on May 07, 2017, 12:14:48 AM
Its one of those flicks that you watch once and likely will never be able to sit through an entire viewing again. It was ok, had some funny scenes, but I felt like it was all fucking one lines, with like 12 mins of actually story plot. It got pretty tiresome after awhile.

Drax for example was painful to watch a lot of the time, but he also had some of the best lines. If they calmed down the fucking idiocy of the guy by 50% he would have been golden. Just shit like that on so many levels.
Quoted for truth.

And did anyone else catch Ben Browder AKA John Creighton from Farscape as one of the Sovereign?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 07, 2017, 02:45:13 AM
The internet told me about it.

I did catch Jeff Goldblum dancing in the end credits, though.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 07, 2017, 01:13:57 PM

And did anyone else catch Ben Browder AKA John Creighton from Farscape as one of the Sovereign?

that was the best part of the movie.

Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 07, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
Can we just make this the official spoiler thread?

Eh. Honestly if you haven't seen the movie yet you probably should be banned from the board.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 07, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
Agreed.

Pac-Man was completely unexpected, hilarious and so Peter ("I'm gonna make some weird shit!")

Speaking of which, I was surprised at the amount of cussing in this movie.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 07, 2017, 03:29:57 PM
I was surprised by the amount of killing.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Dlbiininja on May 08, 2017, 01:49:01 AM
I think you should drink bleach of you didn't like this.  Thought it was pretty damn good.  Had more of an emoti a Impact to it as well.  Groot was funny as shot trying to beat Drax up.   The Yondu shit with Rocket was a total surprise.  Never expected that bonding moment from them.  Gamora and Nebula was a bit of an unexpected twist.  I didn't feel any reaching for the lines in the story.  Effects were nice.  I didn't like the Sovereign.  They felt out of place in the story to me.  Ego was unexpected.  I'd seen one of you guys post him earlier.  But, I'd forgotten about him by the time I saw it today.  I don't felt it fit right to use him.  Considering he'd have to seen a human or humanoid to create an be based upon the story he gave. 
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on May 08, 2017, 05:17:01 AM
I think you should drink bleach of you didn't like this.  Thought it was pretty damn good.  Had more of an emoti a Impact to it as well.  Groot was funny as shot trying to beat Drax up.   The Yondu shit with Rocket was a total surprise.  Never expected that bonding moment from them.  Gamora and Nebula was a bit of an unexpected twist.  I didn't feel any reaching for the lines in the story.  Effects were nice.  I didn't like the Sovereign.  They felt out of place in the story to me.  Ego was unexpected.  I'd seen one of you guys post him earlier.  But, I'd forgotten about him by the time I saw it today.  I don't felt it fit right to use him.  Considering he'd have to seen a human or humanoid to create an be based upon the story he gave.


Yondu and Rocket helping each other start and complete an emotional arc was my favorite and I believe, best part of the movie! The chemistry between them felt genuine without humor and humor was present without dialogue jokes. The Ravenger-prison breakout out was wondrous! RR's gorilla warfare tactics in the woods was a blast too.

Tom Green's character and the Ravenger funeral scene... - the feels bros. No Infinity Stone link was refreshing, I like how Small the film was, despite the stakes.

Movie loses points on overdoing every joke, to death, especially poor Drax. The bomb sequence shown in the trailer being a prime example - While Rocket explains the concept of a button to Groot, we pause to ask every character present for tape for a roll of tape - cutting your own tension. Nebula switching sides to save Gamora seconds after trying to kill her was unearned.

Also Stallone and Kurt Russel in this movie, yet no Tango and Cash reference?!!!!!
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ditto on May 08, 2017, 06:02:44 AM
Tom Green?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on May 08, 2017, 06:24:00 AM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 08, 2017, 08:41:05 AM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.

That was James Gunn's brother.  He was in the first movie too.

Tom Green was not in this thing and I have no idea what's wrong with you.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 08, 2017, 10:31:24 AM
I was surprised by the amount of killing.

Really? They killed a lot in the 1st one, too. Groot's brutal "stab and slam" comes to mind.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 10:37:56 AM
Yeah but those guys came off as mindless drone cannon fodder. The Ravagers seemed like a real group of people who we then see get vicious tossed out of an airlock then another group stabbed, shot and blown up.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 10:39:05 AM
So I guess I should say that I wasn't surprised by the killing and more surprised by how it didn't feel like collateral killing.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 08, 2017, 11:25:48 AM
Ah, gotcha. Yeah that is a bit of a difference.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Not BAMF on May 08, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.

That was James Gunn's brother.  He was in the first movie too.

Tom Green was not in this thing and I have no idea what's wrong with you.

The guy from Gilmore Girls is James Gunn's brother? Is that who we're talking about who isn't fucking Tom Green?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Not BAMF on May 08, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
Anyway, I really liked it, but I thought it was a fair shade less than the original. Which is no crime; the original is my favorite MCU flick to date.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.

That was James Gunn's brother.  He was in the first movie too.

Tom Green was not in this thing and I have no idea what's wrong with you.

The guy from Gilmore Girls is James Gunn's brother? Is that who we're talking about who isn't fucking Tom Green?

Yes Sean Gunn, who is James Gunn's brother and was a regular on Gilmore Girls, is not Tom Green.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: 80sBaby on May 08, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
I think Gunn's father was also in the film.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 08, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.

That was James Gunn's brother.  He was in the first movie too.

Tom Green was not in this thing and I have no idea what's wrong with you.

The guy from Gilmore Girls is James Gunn's brother? Is that who we're talking about who isn't fucking Tom Green?

Yes Sean Gunn, who is James Gunn's brother and was a regular on Gilmore Girls, is not Tom Green.

Also he is not fucking Tom Green as far as I know but I don't pay attention to celebrity couples.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 08, 2017, 09:52:06 PM
I think Gunn's father was also in the film.

Also, their father is not Tom Green.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 08, 2017, 11:11:06 PM
But what if they're fucking?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on May 08, 2017, 11:21:10 PM
Yeah holy balls I thought that's who the first mate was. Kinda disappointed now.

That was James Gunn's brother.  He was in the first movie too.

Tom Green was not in this thing and I have no idea what's wrong with you.

I get hit in the head a lot.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 09, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
https://twitter.com/kirkhamilton/status/861612920244903938
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So basically, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was about how Pac-Man is a better game than No Man's Sky
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: scourge on May 09, 2017, 11:38:51 PM
Was a solid B of a movie. Nothing earth shattering, but good.

Thought Ego was well done.

The emotional stuff didn't really move me here. At all. IDK why. Not like I'm cold to it. We are Groot from the first one got me a lot more than anything here.

Cool seeing the Watchers and more Howard the Duck
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Clock on May 11, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
I busted out laughing when Pac-Man showed up. I'm surprised to hear of Drax's legendary turds.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 11, 2017, 07:31:25 PM

The emotional stuff didn't really move me here. At all. IDK why.



Because it failed the show-don't-tell test. Too much of what should have been heartwrenching was done as exposition.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: scourge on May 11, 2017, 09:29:54 PM
Aaaaaaah, very good
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on May 13, 2017, 09:37:38 AM
These guys get it. Drax, the fighter of the team, never fought. He was a stand up comedian for 2 hours.

Cry about it.

Great film, not as good as first. Had people in my theater saying hey wanted to see it again. Would have loved to see some h2h bullshits from Mantis-who was great
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: scourge on May 13, 2017, 11:00:58 AM
Would have also enjoyed some HtH bullshit from her. Only real humanoids that ever tangled were the Ravagers against Rocket in the woods and then the Ravagers against Rocket and Yondu on the ship. Pretty damn impressive the way he prep destroyed them in the woods up till Yondu ended it. Also Yondu w/ the arrow feat from first movie got multiplied ten fold. From the first movie, I didn't get the sense that there were nearly that many Ravagers in Yondus crew let alone that there were other crews.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: MTL76 on May 13, 2017, 11:37:28 AM

The emotional stuff didn't really move me here. At all. IDK why.



Because it failed the show-don't-tell test. Too much of what should have been heartwrenching was done as exposition.

That's what I was expecting based on the first one, so I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on May 13, 2017, 12:42:32 PM
Would have also enjoyed some HtH bullshit from her. Only real humanoids that ever tangled were the Ravagers against Rocket in the woods and then the Ravagers against Rocket and Yondu on the ship. Pretty damn impressive the way he prep destroyed them in the woods up till Yondu ended it. Also Yondu w/ the arrow feat from first movie got multiplied ten fold. From the first movie, I didn't get the sense that there were nearly that many Ravagers in Yondus crew let alone that there were other crews.

Rocket and Yondu killed it
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on May 13, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
I thought the emotional stuff with Nebula and Gamora was done well
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 13, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
Agreed on both. I also liked the emotional moment between Mantis and Drax.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 13, 2017, 01:09:21 PM


The emotional stuff didn't really move me here. At all. IDK why.

probably because none of these were actually characters with any real personality.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 13, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
These guys get it. Drax, the fighter of the team, never fought. He was a stand up comedian for 2 hours.

Cry about it.

Great film, not as good as first. Had people in my theater saying hey wanted to see it again. Would have loved to see some h2h bullshits from Mantis-who was great

Go watch Big Bang Theory more, fgt
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 13, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
2 years from now Ramz is going to claim he never said anything bad about GotGV2 and I will pull up his comments.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Gree on May 13, 2017, 01:18:33 PM
lol big bang
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Average John on May 13, 2017, 02:29:23 PM
In the ballpark of Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2. It was probably better than those movies.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on May 13, 2017, 03:25:14 PM
The Dark World gets such a bad rap as an MCU, which I get, but I thought it was a cool fantasy sci Fi mvoie and still had one of the best endings fights Marvel's produced yet. Also, take away Hiddleston's performance from Thor 2 and most of his character arc goes away.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 13, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
Would have also enjoyed some HtH bullshit from her. Only real humanoids that ever tangled were the Ravagers against Rocket in the woods and then the Ravagers against Rocket and Yondu on the ship. Pretty damn impressive the way he prep destroyed them in the woods up till Yondu ended it. Also Yondu w/ the arrow feat from first movie got multiplied ten fold. From the first movie, I didn't get the sense that there were nearly that many Ravagers in Yondus crew let alone that there were other crews.

Taserface had his own people too, didn't he?  That might've been two crews they were killing.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 13, 2017, 09:20:02 PM
The Dark World gets such a bad rap as an MCU, which I get, but I thought it was a cool fantasy sci Fi mvoie and still had one of the best endings fights Marvel's produced yet. Also, take away Hiddleston's performance from Thor 2 and most of his character arc goes away.

The fight was ultra cool with all the portals and big hits and Mjolnir trying to find a way to Thor. But it lacks OOMPH because the villain was so generic.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 13, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
The Dark World gets such a bad rap as an MCU, which I get, but I thought it was a cool fantasy sci Fi mvoie and still had one of the best endings fights Marvel's produced yet. Also, take away Hiddleston's performance from Thor 2 and most of his character arc goes away.

The fight was ultra cool with all the portals and big hits and Mjolnir trying to find a way to Thor. But it lacks OOMPH because the villain was so generic.

Yeah, Dark World had some of the best fights in the MCU and the Loki/Thor/Odin dynamics are always great.  Otherwise, it's kind of a blah movie.

To this day, I really like Iron Man 2, though.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bandido on May 13, 2017, 10:39:08 PM
The Dark World gets such a bad rap as an MCU, which I get, but I thought it was a cool fantasy sci Fi mvoie and still had one of the best endings fights Marvel's produced yet. Also, take away Hiddleston's performance from Thor 2 and most of his character arc goes away.

The fight was ultra cool with all the portals and big hits and Mjolnir trying to find a way to Thor. But it lacks OOMPH because the villain was so generic.

This I agree, Malekith sucked. They should have given Kurse some personality.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Thanos6 on May 14, 2017, 01:10:59 AM
It seems that with Ego in this movie, they tried to throw in some old-school Beyonder, too; completely alone for millions of years, and both intrigued and repulsed by other "inferior" life forms.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 15, 2017, 08:15:11 PM
2 years from now Ramz is going to claim he never said anything bad about GotGV2 and I will pull up his comments.

Or you'll say that I said that everyone in Guardians looked like cosplay characters and I'll say no, I said the movie wasn't great.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Ramz on May 15, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
ps. seriously, do the consistent one liners not get super annoying to you idiots? I'm curious as to what you like about the 50% of the dialogue.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 15, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
In something like Avengers, the one-liners were over done because Joss Whedon has no other way to write dialogue.  There should have been a little more drama involved.

For Guardians of the Galaxy, it's kooky and weird enough not to bother me.  It fits the tone of the movie.  In fact, I have trouble believing the dramatic moments in Guardians, despite being few and far between.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 16, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
ps. seriously, do the consistent one liners not get super annoying to you idiots? I'm curious as to what you like about the 50% of the dialogue.

Not really but I enjoy Kevin Smith/Judd Appatow/Seth Rogen comedies and the humor is all one liners. Sometimes even one liners being tossed back and fourth for minutes on end.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 16, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
In something like Avengers, the one-liners were over done because Joss Whedon has no other way to write dialogue.  There should have been a little more drama involved.

For Guardians of the Galaxy, it's kooky and weird enough not to bother me.  It fits the tone of the movie.  In fact, I have trouble believing the dramatic moments in Guardians, despite being few and far between.

I felt the gags and quips in Avengers 1 were done perfectly (infrequent and fit the characters). In AoU, Whedon went too heavy in a few scenes, and it was either bad or distracting.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 20, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
There was a lot of great humour, Drax in particular, but way too many of the jokes fell flat

But I did still like it more than the first one

Also a lot of great character moments.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 20, 2017, 07:19:41 PM
Finally saw this today, and I agree about the humor. 50% was great. The other 50% was trying too hard... like the "it's not ripe" thing. That's just too silly and tossed in for a dumb laugh that distracted from three scenes.

But Peter geeking out after finding out he has godly powers on Ego's planet? That was funny because it felt natural to the character and the situation. "I'm gonna build some weird shit."

The emotional dramatic moments were really solid... but a few got cut short by dumb jokes or switching immediately to a light-hearted comedy scene.

Overall, good movie. A solid B.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 20, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
BTW, Ego has been around millions of years. He never met another Celestial? They can't have died out millions of years ago. People still know about them, some knowof their connection to the stones, and people are even mining through the one Celestial head at Nowhere.

I wonder if Ego just considered himself a general "Celestial-god-type" being while being unique from other such beings.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on May 20, 2017, 11:19:28 PM
The collector knew about them and he's supposed to be super old. My guess is that Ego is the last celestial created sometime after the others died/left. The Collector and others like him we're created about the time the other celestials disappeared.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Mightily Oats on May 21, 2017, 12:20:02 AM
Or movie Celestials don't = what we understand about comic book Celestials

And the Nowhere mining head thing was a nice easter egg for fans and not much more

I DUNNO THOUGH, GUYS, MAYBE PAUL MCCARTNEY HAS BEEN DEAD FOR FOURTY YEARS
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 21, 2017, 12:26:35 AM
The Celestial they showed in the first GotG or whatever during the flashback looked like a traditional one.  The one that had the power gem in his staff and killed stuff.

They might just refer to a vast number of people as Celestials.  Ego, the traditional Celestials, etc.  Maybe Thanos will be called a Celestial. 
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 21, 2017, 07:25:39 AM
The Celestial they showed in the first GotG or whatever during the flashback looked like a traditional one.  The one that had the power gem in his staff and killed stuff.

They might just refer to a vast number of people as Celestials.  Ego, the traditional Celestials, etc.  Maybe Thanos will be called a Celestial.

Yeah, that's a possibility. Celestial is just a term for any god-like being, so he is unique compared to the other God types. Still sucks he died. I wanted him there for Infinity Gauntlet.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: LiquidSailor on May 21, 2017, 10:10:16 AM
Well he did plant those seeds on other planets, so maybe if we are lucky they will use that as an excuse to bring him back. Like a bit of his essence survived.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Kallor on May 21, 2017, 10:14:27 AM
The Celestial they showed in the first GotG or whatever during the flashback looked like a traditional one.  The one that had the power gem in his staff and killed stuff.

They might just refer to a vast number of people as Celestials.  Ego, the traditional Celestials, etc.  Maybe Thanos will be called a Celestial.

I think you're right.  So who else have we seen that could be considered a Celestial under this idea?  Dormammu?
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: XerxesTWD on May 21, 2017, 04:43:47 PM
The Celestial they showed in the first GotG or whatever during the flashback looked like a traditional one.  The one that had the power gem in his staff and killed stuff.

They might just refer to a vast number of people as Celestials.  Ego, the traditional Celestials, etc.  Maybe Thanos will be called a Celestial.

I think you're right.  So who else have we seen that could be considered a Celestial under this idea?  Dormammu?
I've come to bargain.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 21, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
Well he did plant those seeds on other planets, so maybe if we are lucky they will use that as an excuse to bring him back. Like a bit of his essence survived.

I fucking hope so. Story-wise, Thanos defeating the cosmic host is a great moment. Not just for the fireworks display of weirdness and power. But when Thanos defeats the heroes, you think to yourself, "Damn, they almost had him." Then when he defeats the cosmic host, you realize, "Fuck... they never really had a chance."

Now sure, things will be scaled down a bit for the MCU, but Ego seemed like a no-brained if you have that scene. And without that type of scene, I think it will hard to convey Thanos as being a bigger threat than Ego or Ultron or Hela or Dormammu.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: AP on May 21, 2017, 09:12:14 PM
Well he did plant those seeds on other planets, so maybe if we are lucky they will use that as an excuse to bring him back. Like a bit of his essence survived.

I fucking hope so. Story-wise, Thanos defeating the cosmic host is a great moment. Not just for the fireworks display of weirdness and power. But when Thanos defeats the heroes, you think to yourself, "Damn, they almost had him." Then when he defeats the cosmic host, you realize, "Fuck... they never really had a chance."

Now sure, things will be scaled down a bit for the MCU, but Ego seemed like a no-brained if you have that scene. And without that type of scene, I think it will hard to convey Thanos as being a bigger threat than Ego or Ultron or Hela or Dormammu.

I'm wondering if we'll see Thanos take down Odin, Dormmy, and maybe whatever cosmic being that could be introduced in Captain Marvel.  They could throw in a few traditional Celestials too, I guess.  And maybe the Watcher.  It won't have the punch of seeing Thanos take down Galactus, Eternity, et al. but hopefully we will see something along those lines.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on May 22, 2017, 06:55:15 AM
Yeah, I think Ego would've given the scene some "punch" because we saw how powerful he was in Guardians 2, and audiences more easily associate "big" with "powerful" as well.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Uhtceare on May 23, 2017, 12:09:50 AM
Interesting that movie Yondu is a space-redneck when the comic version is clearly a space-indian.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on May 23, 2017, 04:05:18 AM
Finally saw it.

Kinda felt the Ego storyline dragged on a bit.

I'm seriously over yet another superhero movie with a "ticking bomb countdown" for its climax.
Title: Re: GOTG 2 reviews
Post by: Master on June 02, 2017, 02:12:12 PM
Here were some gripes I had:

1) Mantis can force a god-like being to sleep against its will? If the Sovereign hadn't messed her up, Guardians defeat a god in a fucking cakewalk.

2) The mining/vault cracking ship... defeats a shit ton of Sovereign drone ships. Crazy big cop out moment.

3) The one-inch-man joke was incredibly dumb and forced.