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Title: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Uhtceare on April 11, 2017, 09:22:02 PM
movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dalek on April 20, 2017, 02:11:41 AM
Thor he is still probably something like Thing level in strength and a skilled fighter. He also has a ton of options for area effect attacks or blowing Steve away with winds if Cap tries to use hit and run tactics to wear him down.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 21, 2017, 05:09:27 AM
Thor still beats that ass. Cap is awesome and all but he's still waaaaay outpowered here.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 21, 2017, 10:17:45 AM
Cap will crush him
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 21, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 21, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
Isnt MCU Cap pretty close to comic Cap?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 21, 2017, 02:39:26 PM
Isnt MCU Cap pretty close to comic Cap?

On average, yes.

But Comic Cap has some much higher highs, like punching out the Hulk.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 21, 2017, 02:43:09 PM
Isnt MCU Cap pretty close to comic Cap?

Physically yes, but nowhere near in skill, speed, agility, or Cap factor
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 21, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dalek on April 21, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.

Yeah but that is his very high end stuff I look much more at a characters average then absolute best and worst feats.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 21, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
Dalek thought he was dealing with movie Gree when instead he was dealing with comic book Gree.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 21, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.
Since when do we only go by extreme showings? Take that weak shit to CBR or some shitty Superman website.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 22, 2017, 12:31:08 AM
Cap's hits will have little to no effect on MCU Thor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 01:50:02 AM
Joke post? Joke post
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 01:51:47 AM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.
Since when do we only go by extreme showings? Take that weak shit to CBR or some shitty Superman website.

That's cute
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 22, 2017, 02:02:10 AM
My god this is mind numbing.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 02:04:40 AM
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.

Yeah but that is his very high end stuff I look much more at a characters average then absolute best and worst feats.



I was making a point, showing how Cap isn't outclassed.

The power and skill disparity is huge. I don't think Thor has anywhere near the feats in raw strength strength to be anywhere close to Thing level. Even on average level Cap can take on A much more powerful Iron Man than the cinematic version, Namor clones, The Rhino, Prodessor Hulk on multiple occasions, Asgardian trolls etc. He takes beatings from characters much stronger on a regular basis, the skill disparency is insane. He can drop him with pressure points if need be, though probably won't have to as we don't even know if this Thor is bulletproof. He's vastly more skilled and agile, his shield can block all of the hits and lightning attacks, have never seen Thor use wind like that. He's durable enough to take straight hits and strong enough to
Easily wear him down. Cap will put on a clinic.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 22, 2017, 11:00:31 AM
Cap will wind up in a clinic, kind of like Blonsky in Incredible Hulk.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 22, 2017, 11:05:16 AM
So I guess we'll just ignore all those times Cap gets fucked up by stuff like...bullets. And, hits from street levelers?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 22, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
What happens to people sometimes in threads? It's so odd.

This is on that Ali beating Drago level of absurdity.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
So I guess we'll just ignore all those times Cap gets fucked up by stuff like...bullets. And, hits from street levelers?

When has a hit from a street leveler "fucked up" Cap?

You guys see no difference in powerlevel between cinema and paper? Need to adjust ya glasses

Apparently people are ok with it when it's comic Ironman vs Movie Supes. But forget their own logic in this thread.

It's interesting as people would give comic Cap wins against Ultimate Thor, who is vastly more powerful than MCU Thor. Yet for some reason are now acting like movie Thor is comic Odin.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
What happens to people sometimes in threads? It's so odd.

This is on that Ali beating Drago level of absurdity.

What is exactly absurd about this when we have a character with an established history of beating more powerful opponents, while simultaneously being in an exponentially more powerful medium? GTFO of here
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 22, 2017, 01:51:15 PM
Movie Cap could barely affect Loki who is physically weaker than Thor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Great. This is comic Cap. You trying to say comic Cap "can't affect" Movie Thor now? Sure?

Movie Cap also had a steady and significant power increase from the first film. From not affecting Loki to taking on a vibranium Ultron and beating the shit out of Ironman who most would give odds on Loki physically.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 22, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
Great. This is comic Cap. You trying to say comic Cap "can't affect" Movie Thor now? Sure?

Movie Cap also had a steady and significant power increase from the first film. From not affecting Loki to taking on a vibranium Ultron and beating the shit out of Ironman who most would give odds on Loki physically.

Most people seem to agree Comic Cap and MCU are peers in strength. MCU Cap survived against non-vibranium Ultron.

He and Bucky eventually wore down Iron Man who was never out to kill Cap.

Comic Cap would dance around MCU Thor a bit and could win maybe 2/10 through superior fight skills.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 02:24:57 PM
Great. This is comic Cap. You trying to say comic Cap "can't affect" Movie Thor now? Sure?

Movie Cap also had a steady and significant power increase from the first film. From not affecting Loki to taking on a vibranium Ultron and beating the shit out of Ironman who most would give odds on Loki physically.

Eventually wore down? We see the same film? They were fucking up thenarmor

Most people seem to agree Comic Cap and MCU are peers in strength. MCU Cap survived against non-vibranium Ultron.

He and Bucky eventually wore down Iron Man who was never out to kill Cap.

Comic Cap would dance around MCU Thor a bit and could win maybe 2/10 through superior fight skills.

He did more than survive against a vastly stronger and more durable opponent in Ultron. Denying Caps power uptick now?

And while most agree they are close in strengths as of the later movies, comic Cap still has speed skill and durability which vastly affects how hard he hits.

Trying to say that comic Cap couldn't harm movie Loki or Thor now? Tread carefully. And I'm the crazy one.

Movie Thor has NEVER faced anyone near comic Caps skill level or combination of abilities and has minimal to no experience doing so. Comic Cap has a 60+ year comic history taking on people movie Thors level, often vastly more powerful, and sometimes taking them down.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 22, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
And he has also struggled to match or defeat significantly less powerful opponents. Just like every single upper tier street leveler with good showings out of their league.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 03:48:08 PM
Sure but if I had to hedge my bets I'd place it on the character with an extremely respectable history with thousands of appearances over 60 years, has a character shield/factor and is in an exponentially more powerful medium.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Negashen on April 22, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
What happens to people sometimes in threads? It's so odd.

This is on that Ali beating Drago level of absurdity.

Funny enough that did cross my mind reading this, some people go to extreme lengths to justify a character's chances, no matter how outclassed they are.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Negashen on April 22, 2017, 04:37:41 PM
What happens to people sometimes in threads? It's so odd.

This is on that Ali beating Drago level of absurdity.

Co-signed.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 04:45:14 PM
Your argument would have validity if Cap hasn't stood up to or beaten vastly more powerful opponents, you guys get that fundamental concept right?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 22, 2017, 04:46:29 PM
So Gree, let's put Comic Cap in the same instances as movie Thor like when he fought Hulk or Kurse. You see him doing okay in those fights? You see him living through those fights?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 04:50:03 PM
So Gree, let's put Comic Cap in the same instances as movie Thor like when he fought Hulk or Kurse. You see him doing okay in those fights? You see him living through those fights?

Hold up. I'm not agreeing with Gree but just because A beats B and B beats C, it doesn't necessarily follow that A beats C.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 22, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
So Gree, let's put Comic Cap in the same instances as movie Thor like when he fought Hulk or Kurse. You see him doing okay in those fights? You see him living through those fights?

Hold up. I'm not agreeing with Gree but just because A beats B and B beats C, it doesn't necessarily follow that A beats C.

Not always, but in this situation he's saying Comic Cap can beat Movie Thor for a heavy majority, to Gree seems it's a stomp in Cap's favor. Anyone who can stomp movie Thor, should at least put up a damn good fight against Hulk(which Thor did with his hammer and his fists). And at least last for a while with Kurse like Thor did.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
So Gree, let's put Comic Cap in the same instances as movie Thor like when he fought Hulk or Kurse. You see him doing okay in those fights? You see him living through those fights?


Firstly I was obviously initially hyperbolic.


Do you read comics?

You do realize that Cap has fought and survived against people much stronger than Movie ahulk or Kurse right? Also yes, I do believe Cap could survive against and fight movie Hulk or Kurse. Why? Because there are tons of comics of him doing so. He won't beat them for a majority-though.  Where is all the shock and awe coming from?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 05:06:10 PM
So Gree, let's put Comic Cap in the same instances as movie Thor like when he fought Hulk or Kurse. You see him doing okay in those fights? You see him living through those fights?

Hold up. I'm not agreeing with Gree but just because A beats B and B beats C, it doesn't necessarily follow that A beats C.

Where am I incorrect here? I value your opinion.

I think comic Bats or Cap would beat movie Thor. I think comic Cap would annihilate MCU IF, DD etc.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
I'm a big Cap fan but there's a noticable difference between "surviving long enough to escape/distract or delay the bad guy" and "beat."

Also, in comics writers use things like the environment to have the weaker character win. That doesn't work on battle boards unless specified.

Cap can certainly dance around Thor for a while but he has no real way of hurting him and even with the shield Thor will wear him down.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
Also, comic book Batman has a much bigger bag of tricks than Cap.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 05:11:32 PM
I'm a big Cap fan but there's a noticable difference between "surviving long enough to escape/distract or delay the bad guy" and "beat."

Also, in comics writers use things like the environment to have the weaker character win. That doesn't work on battle boards unless specified.

Cap can certainly dance around Thor for a while but he has no real way of hurting him and even with the shield Thor will wear him down.

Despite on panel evidence multiple times of Cap harming people a lot more durable? Nerve strikes shield strikes etc. what is going on man?

Cap wins 6/10 here

We've seen Thor dodge machine gunfire and minimal physical feats without mjolnir whose blows are nullified by the shield and a vastly more skilled opponent
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 05:15:04 PM
Am I overestimating movie Thor? Give me his comic book equivalents in terms of strength and durability.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
I would've said Rogue at absolute best. But he had no raw strength feats outside of class 25, or so I believe. A table turn, and overpowering Ironman who has caught a car.

He's hurt Hulk with punches so id place him between cl 10-60 without definite bulletproof invulnerability. Mjolnir hits a lot harder. A fall from the atmosphere was theorized to kill him, and he dodged jet fire
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 05:21:52 PM
That's a pretty big spread. I can see Cap hurting a Class 10, like Spider-Man (and he's done so.) An upper mid-tier, like Power Man? More of a stretch.

I can't recall Cap hurting someone like that with nerve strikes, not in the way Mantis did with Thor for example.

Who's a comic book brick who would go 50/50 with movie Thor? Question is open to anyone.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 05:37:17 PM
We've seen him hurt people stronger than powerman on multiple occasions 3-5 off the top of my head which is definitely enough to use them for debates.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 22, 2017, 05:41:17 PM
I'm blanking on examples but I'm a bit buzzed.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 22, 2017, 05:50:32 PM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 22, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
I mean you legitimatly threw out goddamned pressure points.

Fucking pressure points.

Really now.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 08:01:18 PM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 08:02:42 PM
I mean you legitimatly threw out goddamned pressure points.

Fucking pressure points.

Really now.

Tactics that Cap has used on multiple occasions as have other A listers against physically superior foes.

Please tell me how Thor beats Cap with his superior strength and awesome powa after flipping that table that one time. Cap will slap America in to him
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 22, 2017, 08:03:42 PM
I'm blanking on examples but I'm a bit buzzed.

Hulk on multiple occasions, Rhino, Mr. Hyde, Asgardian Rock Trolls, Fenris, etc.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 22, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
Comic Cap could make him work for it better than movie Cap, but I still don't see him winning.  Cap has the odd win against bricks, but more often than not, he doesn't put them down.  He has a few wins over Rhino and the like, sure, but then there are the stories where he has to lure the Wrecking Crew into a trap because they're too powerful or he does little more than annoy the Hulk during one of his rampages.

I'd also like to point out that movie Thor seems to be a more agile fighter than comic Thor.  Comic Thor mostly just punches and swings his hammer while movie Thor pulls off flying kicks and stuff.  He's probably more capable of landing a hit than a lot of the bricks Cap deals with.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 22, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?

Indeed most of what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you realize the corner you're posting yourself into?

You are trying to legitimately claim he consistently operates at a level in which he would hurt the Hulk or that class of Hero/Villain.

Why then do his fights with let's say, Daredevil, not end in one significant strike?

Surely if Cap can hurt Professor Hulk, who slugs it out with class 100 beings, a single strike would obliterate someone like Daredevil.

Your entire premise if flawed.

If you want to argue that Cap wins due to guile, cunning, tactical knowledge and overall greater skill, then do that. Instead you're literally cherry picking extreme outliers and running with them like they're gospel.

They are the exception, not the rule.

How many times has Captain America ever used pressure points? How many times has he fought bricks in the class 60-100 ton range? Certainly not nearly enough for you to make the outrageous claims you're making.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 22, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
MCU Thor completely overpowered MCU Iron Man in strength, even with Iron Man having a 400% boost in power. Him and Iron Man plowed straight through large trees to no effect. He waltzed through the Frost Giant forces like they were nothing... dozens of beings as strong (or stronger than) MCU Asgardians, and he was fucking obliterating them. Outside of Loki stabbing him with a sucker shot in Avengers, he took no noticeable damage from the Chitauri army. MCU Thor survived having an entire fucking city explode point blank in his face.

He is not losing to Comic Cap for anything near a 50/50 let alone a majority.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 22, 2017, 10:54:13 PM
Cap wins. he flat out KO'd the Hulk. 8)
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 12:01:01 AM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?

Indeed most of what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you realize the corner you're posting yourself into?

You are trying to legitimately claim he consistently operates at a level in which he would hurt the Hulk or that class of Hero/Villain.

Why then do his fights with let's say, Daredevil, not end in one significant strike?

Surely if Cap can hurt Professor Hulk, who slugs it out with class 100 beings, a single strike would obliterate someone like Daredevil.

Your entire premise if flawed.

If you want to argue that Cap wins due to guile, cunning, tactical knowledge and overall greater skill, then do that. Instead you're literally cherry picking extreme outliers and running with them like they're gospel.

They are the exception, not the rule.

How many times has Captain America ever used pressure points? How many times has he fought bricks in the class 60-100 ton range? Certainly not nearly enough for you to make the outrageous claims you're making.


Plenty of times the guy has been doing it for 60 years.

 You're operating on an insane assumption that Cap can't damage him and are throwing a fit when shown evidence otherwise. Battles against Daredefil and streets are near irrelevant as it's part of the medium, and Thor isn't a street level fighter, so out of context. Elite A list people hit out of their weight class it's an accepted part of the medium, and comics in general. Your own premise is clearly flawed.

Comparing how Cap fairs against bricks or flying bricks is relevant though. I'm not going to piece through Texcap or Sarutomes respect threads but Cap has taken Out physically superior foes a near innumerable amount of times and has used nerve attacks quite frequently. He isn't anywhere near hopeless in this scenario like you're playing him out to be, he's faced tons of people like Thor and more powerful whereas Thor has fought no one like Cap, is from a less fleshed out and less powerful medium. It's pretty clear.

Cap will win because of guile and skill and experience and etc. I was arguing that, but he's also strong and durable enough to put a hurt on MCU Thor which people are refusing to acknowledge despite significant evidence supporting his ability to do so.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 12:17:22 AM
MCU Thor completely overpowered MCU Iron Man in strength, even with Iron Man having a 400% boost in power. Him and Iron Man plowed straight through large trees to no effect. He waltzed through the Frost Giant forces like they were nothing... dozens of beings as strong (or stronger than) MCU Asgardians, and he was fucking obliterating them. Outside of Loki stabbing him with a sucker shot in Avengers, he took no noticeable damage from the Chitauri army. MCU Thor survived having an entire fucking city explode point blank in his face.

He is not losing to Comic Cap for anything near a 50/50 let alone a majority.

It being a sucker shot would have no effect on his durability.

He's also dodged gunfire to save his life and was going to be killed from a drop at 50,000 feet or whatever.

And what have the Frost Giants been shown to do physically? The MCU Asgardians? Plowed some trees with Iron Man...well holy shit. Hold the phone. Tell Galactus to run and hide the tree powers are coming to kick his ass

Survived a city exploding, while that is impressive It's a high showing. If we can't use Cap fighting King Thor as evidence because it's a one time high feat, the same should be true for MCU Thor.

Cap has fought many people more Powerful than Thor, he has the power, skill, guild and experience to take him down.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 23, 2017, 12:27:01 AM
We know the average Asgardian can move cars around and are bulletproof so if Thor is depicted as much stronger that is a good place to start.  Hell, Loki was shown to be out of movie Cap's league and Cap needed Bucky's help to defeat Iton Man.  We have seen Thor kick the crap out of both Loki and Iron Man.   Movie Cap is nothing to sneeze at in terms of raw strength himself.

Then there is the scene in the first Thor movie where he destroys a large area is the Frost Giant's land with a hammer slam.

He has also so far been one of only three beings who have been able to have any sort of fight with Hulk.  The others being Abomination and Hulkbuster IM.

His fight with Maleketh shouldn't be forgotten either.  Maleketh was powered by an Infinity Stone and blasted Thor but he was barely fazed.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 12:30:24 AM
Again people keep referencing Movie Cap against Loki like 1.)Movie Cap hasn't had a progressive power increase per film and 2.) Is indicative of how the stronger, faster, more experienced and vastly more skilled comic Cap would doz
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 12:34:09 AM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?

Indeed most of what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you realize the corner you're posting yourself into?

You are trying to legitimately claim he consistently operates at a level in which he would hurt the Hulk or that class of Hero/Villain.

Why then do his fights with let's say, Daredevil, not end in one significant strike?

Surely if Cap can hurt Professor Hulk, who slugs it out with class 100 beings, a single strike would obliterate someone like Daredevil.

Your entire premise if flawed.

If you want to argue that Cap wins due to guile, cunning, tactical knowledge and overall greater skill, then do that. Instead you're literally cherry picking extreme outliers and running with them like they're gospel.

They are the exception, not the rule.

How many times has Captain America ever used pressure points? How many times has he fought bricks in the class 60-100 ton range? Certainly not nearly enough for you to make the outrageous claims you're making.


Plenty of times the guy has been doing it for 60 years.

 You're operating on an insane assumption that Cap can't damage him and are throwing a fit when shown evidence otherwise. Battles against Daredefil and streets are near irrelevant as it's part of the medium, and Thor isn't a street level fighter, so out of context. Elite A list people hit out of their weight class it's an accepted part of the medium, and comics in general. Your own premise is clearly flawed.

Comparing how Cap fairs against bricks or flying bricks is relevant though. I'm not going to piece through Texcap or Sarutomes respect threads but Cap has taken Out physically superior foes a near innumerable amount of times and has used nerve attacks quite frequently. He isn't anywhere near hopeless in this scenario like you're playing him out to be, he's faced tons of people like Thor and more powerful whereas Thor has fought no one like Cap, is from a less fleshed out and less powerful medium. It's pretty clear.

Cap will win because of guile and skill and experience and etc. I was arguing that, but he's also strong and durable enough to put a hurt on MCU Thor which people are refusing to acknowledge despite significant evidence supporting his ability to do so.

You aren't even using words correctly when trying to convey your point.

I've never made any claim regarding Thor's durability.

"Plenty of times" is a clear avoidance of the question posed to you.

Name the examples.

You clearly have no rebuttal for Captain America not showing the same level of striking power when fighting against Daredevil level opponents as opposed to the Hulk, after all you literally state it's irrelevant despite the majority of this thread revolving around Cap's striking power.

Show me where you were arguing Cap wins through guile, tactical knowledge/application and strategy. Before your last post where I all but walked you into an actual reasonable stance on this fight.

I'm Kraft Singles and you're Greetrain. Your premise is absolutely terrible and you're so upset that everyone but you can understand that.

Terrible work here in this thread, Greetrain.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 23, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
Again people keep referencing Movie Cap against Loki like 1.)Movie Cap hasn't had a progressive power increase per film and 2.) Is indicative of how the stronger, faster, more experienced and vastly more skilled comic Cap would doz

True but even Avengers Cap was throwing logos 20 feet into the air and belly flopping on cars with no problem.

I am only pointing out the strength of Cap in comparison to Thor's btw.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 23, 2017, 12:56:06 AM
I guess this is also ignoring how movie Thor tends to not give a fuck.

What's to stop him from electrocuting Cap along with the shield? And Panther's suit, as well as Cap using a magnet to pull it back to him show that the shield is vulnerable to electrocution. Or just smashing the hammer on the ground, sending Cap flying helplessly dozens of feet in the air?

Both of which are moves he pulls out fairly often, and at the start of a fight by the way. Remember when the first thing he did to Cap was try and crush his skull? Well this time he'll know to avoid the shield.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 23, 2017, 01:09:24 AM
If there's any instances of Cap's shield being lightning proof, let me know.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Uhtceare on April 23, 2017, 01:16:49 AM
I remember him fighting Monica Rambeaux. She turned to lightning and tried to ram him. She bounced off the shield.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:22:36 AM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?

Indeed most of what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you realize the corner you're posting yourself into?

You are trying to legitimately claim he consistently operates at a level in which he would hurt the Hulk or that class of Hero/Villain.

Why then do his fights with let's say, Daredevil, not end in one significant strike?

Surely if Cap can hurt Professor Hulk, who slugs it out with class 100 beings, a single strike would obliterate someone like Daredevil.

Your entire premise if flawed.

If you want to argue that Cap wins due to guile, cunning, tactical knowledge and overall greater skill, then do that. Instead you're literally cherry picking extreme outliers and running with them like they're gospel.

They are the exception, not the rule.

How many times has Captain America ever used pressure points? How many times has he fought bricks in the class 60-100 ton range? Certainly not nearly enough for you to make the outrageous claims you're making.


Plenty of times the guy has been doing it for 60 years.

 You're operating on an insane assumption that Cap can't damage him and are throwing a fit when shown evidence otherwise. Battles against Daredefil and streets are near irrelevant as it's part of the medium, and Thor isn't a street level fighter, so out of context. Elite A list people hit out of their weight class it's an accepted part of the medium, and comics in general. Your own premise is clearly flawed.

Comparing how Cap fairs against bricks or flying bricks is relevant though. I'm not going to piece through Texcap or Sarutomes respect threads but Cap has taken Out physically superior foes a near innumerable amount of times and has used nerve attacks quite frequently. He isn't anywhere near hopeless in this scenario like you're playing him out to be, he's faced tons of people like Thor and more powerful whereas Thor has fought no one like Cap, is from a less fleshed out and less powerful medium. It's pretty clear.

Cap will win because of guile and skill and experience and etc. I was arguing that, but he's also strong and durable enough to put a hurt on MCU Thor which people are refusing to acknowledge despite significant evidence supporting his ability to do so.

You aren't even using words correctly when trying to convey your point.

I've never made any claim regarding Thor's durability.

"Plenty of times" is a clear avoidance of the question posed to you.

Name the examples.

You clearly have no rebuttal for Captain America not showing the same level of striking power when fighting against Daredevil level opponents as opposed to the Hulk, after all you literally state it's irrelevant despite the majority of this thread revolving around Cap's striking power.

Show me where you were arguing Cap wins through guile, tactical knowledge/application and strategy. Before your last post where I all but walked you into an actual reasonable stance on this fight.

I'm Kraft Singles and you're Greetrain. Your premise is absolutely terrible and you're so upset that everyone but you can understand that.

Terrible work here in this thread, Greetrain.

That's adorable.

Example of what, defeating opponents stronger than Thor or using nerve attacks? Both are abundant.

I mentioned multiple times that Cap would win via superior skill, yet I only engaged discourse regarding his strength and durability as people were saying that comic Cap couldn't harm MCU Thor, a ludicrous stance.

You realize A-lists hit out of their weight class and harm characters with enhanced durability, yet don't brutalize each other with their blows on a consistent basis? That it's an established fact in the medium? This is the most insane position in the thread that shows a fundamental lack of logic and massive gap in suspension of disbelief, something that's required in order to comprehend comics logically. "But Hulk break adamantium why he no kill everyone always" etc. This is what creates averages. Just because Cap has harmed the Hulk and hasn't murdered Daredevil it doesn't invalidate either showing. You get that right? You don't invalidate the high showings, you get his fundamental concept right?

You've walked yourself into a corner and are demonstrating a fundamental gap in literary comprehension. Of Cap hurts Hulk why doesn't he kill Daredevil? Is what you are really going for? Come on. My entire initial point was that there is clear evidence of Cap damaging Thor level opponents which is irrefutable fact. He HAS the ability to hurt and take down Thor. But please keep going.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 23, 2017, 01:23:00 AM
I remember him fighting Monica Rambeaux. She turned to lightning and tried to ram him. She bounced off the shield.

Impressive. So Thor only has to smash the ground in a mile radius around them to shit, sending Cap flying. Gotcha.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:23:41 AM
If there's any instances of Cap's shield being lightning proof, let me know.

His shield has vibranium and  has blocked tons of various forms of energy
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
I remember him fighting Monica Rambeaux. She turned to lightning and tried to ram him. She bounced off the shield.

Impressive. So Thor only has to smash the ground in a mile radius around them to shit, sending Cap flying. Gotcha.

Yep Thor does that in all his fights.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 23, 2017, 01:37:50 AM
I remember him fighting Monica Rambeaux. She turned to lightning and tried to ram him. She bounced off the shield.

Impressive. So Thor only has to smash the ground in a mile radius around them to shit, sending Cap flying. Gotcha.

Yep Thor does that in all his fights.


Yep Cap punches out Thor level opponents in all his fights.

See how easy that is?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:44:54 AM
At least Cap has punched out multiple Thor level opponents whereas Thor has never faced an opponent like Cap and only hit the ground once got an area attack.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 23, 2017, 02:06:29 AM
In Dark World and Age of Ultron, Thor used his hammer for area attacks even though they weren't on the level of his big hammer strike from the first film.  In Dark World, he took out a group of monsters at the beginning with a hammer strike to the ground.  In AoU, he zapped the ground with lightning and took out some Hydra goons.  I think Avengers was the only movie where he didn't do an area attack.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 23, 2017, 03:12:51 AM
In Dark World and Age of Ultron, Thor used his hammer for area attacks even though they weren't on the level of his big hammer strike from the first film.  In Dark World, he took out a group of monsters at the beginning with a hammer strike to the ground.  In AoU, he zapped the ground with lightning and took out some Hydra goons.  I think Avengers was the only movie where he didn't do an area attack.

In AoU he also showed he greatly understands Cap's shield. Once he used it to make a directed shockwave, the second time in Sokovia he used Mjolnir like a bat to whack it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 07:34:22 AM
In Dark World and Age of Ultron, Thor used his hammer for area attacks even though they weren't on the level of his big hammer strike from the first film.  In Dark World, he took out a group of monsters at the beginning with a hammer strike to the ground.  In AoU, he zapped the ground with lightning and took out some Hydra goons.  I think Avengers was the only movie where he didn't do an area attack.

Fare enough. But not like Cap isn't experienced with characters who can do AOE
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 23, 2017, 08:13:14 AM
Cap has 60 years of showings... so we know his average is elite street level. You can point to a few absolute freak instances of Cap hurting people like Hulk or Thanos... but he typically gets batted aside by such beings. Or spends the fight running and deflecting shots with his shield.

Now movie Thor has only a few movies of showings to make his average. Outside of a bloody nose from Hulk and a stab from Loki's Asgardian dagger, nothing has damaged the guy. Unlike Cap losing to or struggling with mid-tiers and street level people over the years.

Edit: Also the beating from Kurse hurt him a bit.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 23, 2017, 08:33:56 AM
Cap's also been tagged by guys less skilled than MCU Thor over the years.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 23, 2017, 08:45:06 AM
Cap's also been tagged by guys less skilled than MCU Thor over the years.

Yeah, like I mentioned earlier, MCU Thor probably displays more skill than most versions of the character.  He actually pulls off some decent fighting moves unlike the usual punch/smash fighting styles we normally see from the comic versions on average.  He's not even close to Cap's level, but he's more skilled than the likes of Rhino of the Wrecker.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 23, 2017, 09:45:12 AM
Also, can we stop saying MCU Cap got a power increase? He didn't. He just got more feats. There's a difference.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
Why are you focusing exclusively on those 3 to 5 instances when discussing a character with thousands and thousands of appearances?

Your selectivity is embarrassing.

You're sitting there citing comic Cap hurting the Hulk. Someone who can engage in a slugfest with the goddamn Juggernaut.

Do you understand how absurd it is to make that claim as if it's the rule and not the exception? With that level of striking power he's one-shotting most street level characters.

Except he doesn't because he's nowhere near the level you're claiming he is.

This is certainly one of the most embarrassing Gtrain levels of argument I've seen since Ali vs Drago.

3-5 instances of him affecting people more powerful than himself off the top of my head in a battle against someone more powerful then himself, golly gee? I focused on those examples because people are claiming that Cap couldn't hurt him so I cited multiple examples of him hurting more powerful people, but apparently that doesn't make sense.

So Caps blows are simply going to bounce of this crazy powerful Thor right?  0/10 wins here folks. Comic Cap has certainmy Never faced an opponent more powerful than himself right?

Indeed most of what you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you realize the corner you're posting yourself into?

You are trying to legitimately claim he consistently operates at a level in which he would hurt the Hulk or that class of Hero/Villain.

Why then do his fights with let's say, Daredevil, not end in one significant strike?

Surely if Cap can hurt Professor Hulk, who slugs it out with class 100 beings, a single strike would obliterate someone like Daredevil.

Your entire premise if flawed.

If you want to argue that Cap wins due to guile, cunning, tactical knowledge and overall greater skill, then do that. Instead you're literally cherry picking extreme outliers and running with them like they're gospel.

They are the exception, not the rule.

How many times has Captain America ever used pressure points? How many times has he fought bricks in the class 60-100 ton range? Certainly not nearly enough for you to make the outrageous claims you're making.


Plenty of times the guy has been doing it for 60 years.

 You're operating on an insane assumption that Cap can't damage him and are throwing a fit when shown evidence otherwise. Battles against Daredefil and streets are near irrelevant as it's part of the medium, and Thor isn't a street level fighter, so out of context. Elite A list people hit out of their weight class it's an accepted part of the medium, and comics in general. Your own premise is clearly flawed.

Comparing how Cap fairs against bricks or flying bricks is relevant though. I'm not going to piece through Texcap or Sarutomes respect threads but Cap has taken Out physically superior foes a near innumerable amount of times and has used nerve attacks quite frequently. He isn't anywhere near hopeless in this scenario like you're playing him out to be, he's faced tons of people like Thor and more powerful whereas Thor has fought no one like Cap, is from a less fleshed out and less powerful medium. It's pretty clear.

Cap will win because of guile and skill and experience and etc. I was arguing that, but he's also strong and durable enough to put a hurt on MCU Thor which people are refusing to acknowledge despite significant evidence supporting his ability to do so.

You aren't even using words correctly when trying to convey your point.

I've never made any claim regarding Thor's durability.

"Plenty of times" is a clear avoidance of the question posed to you.

Name the examples.

You clearly have no rebuttal for Captain America not showing the same level of striking power when fighting against Daredevil level opponents as opposed to the Hulk, after all you literally state it's irrelevant despite the majority of this thread revolving around Cap's striking power.

Show me where you were arguing Cap wins through guile, tactical knowledge/application and strategy. Before your last post where I all but walked you into an actual reasonable stance on this fight.

I'm Kraft Singles and you're Greetrain. Your premise is absolutely terrible and you're so upset that everyone but you can understand that.

Terrible work here in this thread, Greetrain.

That's adorable.

Example of what, defeating opponents stronger than Thor or using nerve attacks? Both are abundant.

I mentioned multiple times that Cap would win via superior skill, yet I only engaged discourse regarding his strength and durability as people were saying that comic Cap couldn't harm MCU Thor, a ludicrous stance.

You realize A-lists hit out of their weight class and harm characters with enhanced durability, yet don't brutalize each other with their blows on a consistent basis? That it's an established fact in the medium? This is the most insane position in the thread that shows a fundamental lack of logic and massive gap in suspension of disbelief, something that's required in order to comprehend comics logically. "But Hulk break adamantium why he no kill everyone always" etc. This is what creates averages. Just because Cap has harmed the Hulk and hasn't murdered Daredevil it doesn't invalidate either showing. You get that right? You don't invalidate the high showings, you get his fundamental concept right?

You've walked yourself into a corner and are demonstrating a fundamental gap in literary comprehension. Of Cap hurts Hulk why doesn't he kill Daredevil? Is what you are really going for? Come on. My entire initial point was that there is clear evidence of Cap damaging Thor level opponents which is irrefutable fact. He HAS the ability to hurt and take down Thor. But please keep going.

Name the instances in which Cap has used pressure points as opposed to punching, kicking and shield strikes to beat class 60-100 foes.

The fact that you're refusing to do so is an obvious avoidance. It's laughable. Show us proof of your claims. You can't.

I never said he couldn't damage Thor level beings.

You made a ridiculous claim about how Cap hurt Professor Hulk with his kicks as proof he can hurt Thor.

That's a ridiculous measure to even start your argument with, as if that's somehow his average level striking power. It's not. His average is elite street level and you're citing these things as if they are common place. This is the fundamental problem with your stance in this thread. It's getting worse as you keep going.

You have no rebuttal for anything so you're resorting to trying to make Jelly like claims on reading comprehension. It's a terrible look and the entire board is weighing in on how absurd your claims are. It's hilarious.

Again, show us proof of these abundant pressure points used in fights. Scans or issue/descriptions of each fight that these things take place in.

Show us where, precisely, you argued for Cap using guile, cunning and tactical knowledge/application to win this fight before I handed that actually reasonable stance to you. With actual quotes and/or references, not you saying "I did already".

You can't do either of these things just as you can't reconcile the fact that Cap does not operate at a level where he consistently hurts Hulk level beings with his standard elite street level showings.

Give us actual evidence.

Greetrain indeed.  You're terrible at this and your response to this truth will be similar to when I correctly called out your flimsy premise near the start of this thread.

"Ugh, mmm, ugh, nuh uh YOUR premise is flawed."

Hahahahaha.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:35:02 AM
The ridiculous claim is that Cap couldn't hurt Thor, you get that right? And I next gave a list of evidence of Cap hurting Thor level beings. My first statement was obviously hyperbolic but I went off after idiots were suggesting comic Cap wouldn't have a chance...despite on panel evidence multiple times of showing him doing so.

I don't have to show Cap consistently hurting them, you get that right? I just have to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor level beings, more than once you do get that right? I have evidence of him doing it 5+ times off the top of my head which is certainly enough evidence to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor. It is routine in comics for A listers to hit outside their weight class.

He has hurt the Rhino, The Hulk, Asgardian Rock trolls, Ironman, Mr. Hyde, The Wrecking Crew etc. no I don't have the scans. They are in Caps respect thread in the forum.

I never mentioned that Cap would directly win the fight with "guile" which you are so obsessed about. But where exactly I did argue at length that Cap would win with superior fighting skill which includes things like his h2h combat and fight intelligence/tactical skill. Evidenced here...
Cap will crush him
You're out of your goddamn mind, son.

Really guy?

This is comic Cap were talking about.

He's engaged Fenris, physically, someone drastically more powerful than Movie Thor. He's taken on King Thor, and dropped the Hulk with kicks, Mr. Hyde, etc. He has elite A list level skills with knowledge of pressure points and moves that allow him to take on opponents much more powerful than Movie Thor.

Movie Thor hasn't shown a strength level much greater than comic/movie Spidey at this point. He's vastly outskilled and Cap will make him look like a fool. And will beat the crap out of him with the shield

The power disparity between the movies and the comics is HUGE still at this point.

Yeah but that is his very high end stuff I look much more at a characters average then absolute best and worst feats.



I was making a point, showing how Cap isn't outclassed.

The power and skill disparity is huge. I don't think Thor has anywhere near the feats in raw strength strength to be anywhere close to Thing level. Even on average level Cap can take on A much more powerful Iron Man than the cinematic version, Namor clones, The Rhino, Prodessor Hulk on multiple occasions, Asgardian trolls etc. He takes beatings from characters much stronger on a regular basis, the skill disparency is insane. He can drop him with pressure points if need be, though probably won't have to as we don't even know if this Thor is bulletproof. He's vastly more skilled and agile, his shield can block all of the hits and lightning attacks, have never seen Thor use wind like that. He's durable enough to take straight hits and strong enough to
Easily wear him down. Cap will put on a clinic.

But the original ridiculous claim was that Cap couldn't hurt him. Whereas Cap is an elite street leve, when facing someone who is more powerful than him in a debate we look at when he actually fought someone at that level not just at his street level showings ? You get that right? You know how debates work? Should I write this down?

If Deathstroke is pit against The Thing I don't think many people are going to be citing his fights against Batman and his street level status.

But please tell me more about the god emperor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
The ridiculous claim is that Cap couldn't hurt Thor, you get that right? And I next gave a list of evidence of Cap hurting Thor level beings. My first statement was obviously hyperbolic but I went off after idiots were suggesting comic Cap wouldn't have a chance...despite on panel evidence multiple times of showing him doing so.

I don't have to show Cap consistently hurting them, you get that right? I just have to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor level beings, you do get that right? I have evidence of him doing it 5+ times off the top of my head which is certainly enough evidence to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor. It is routine in comics for A listers to hit outside their weight class.

He has hurt the Rhino, The Hulk, Asgardian Rock trolls, Ironman, Mr. Hyde, The Wrecking Crew etc. no I don't have the scans. They are in Caps respect thread in the forum.

I never mentioned that Cap would directly win the fight with "guile" which you are so obsessed about. But I did argue at length that Cap would win with superior fighting skill which includes things like his h2h combat and fight intelligence/tactical skill. But the original ridiculous claim was that Cap couldn't hurt him. Whereas Cap is an elite street leve, when facing someone who is more powerful than him in a debate we look at when he actually fought someone at that level not just at his street level showings ? You get that right? You know how debates work? Should I write this down?

If Deathstroke is pit against The Thing I don't think many people are going to be citing his fights against Batman and his street level status.

But please tell me more about the god emperor.

You can't even grasp basic debate etiquette apparently.

You made the claim that Cap hurts Hulk level beings and are using that as a baseline in this battle.

You then rattle off ridiculous nonsense about pressure points.

Name the instances in which Cap used pressure points against class 60-100 beings as opposed to using punches, kicks and shield strikes to do damage to that level of being. If they're in the respect thread, it should be easy to point out. The onus is on you. That respect thread isn't showing what you're claiming. Most of the time he doesn't use pressure points, even when fighting guys on Thor's level.

Cap doesn't normally operate at a level where he's hurting Hulk level beings when he's up against them. See Master Tolkein's most recent resppnse to you. That's an accurate assessment of Cap's abilities.

You can't even prove the basics of what you're claiming and have resorted to saying "I don't have to provide proof for my ridiculous claims".

I can conduct a proper debate rwgarding the God-Emperor whereas you cannot provide even basic sustained arguments for Cap.

That's indicative of your utterly flawed premise as is your Jelly like approach to being called out for failing to provide substative backing for your outrageous claims.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
The ridiculous claim is that Cap couldn't hurt Thor, you get that right? And I next gave a list of evidence of Cap hurting Thor level beings. My first statement was obviously hyperbolic but I went off after idiots were suggesting comic Cap wouldn't have a chance...despite on panel evidence multiple times of showing him doing so.

I don't have to show Cap consistently hurting them, you get that right? I just have to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor level beings, you do get that right? I have evidence of him doing it 5+ times off the top of my head which is certainly enough evidence to demonstrate that he can hurt Thor. It is routine in comics for A listers to hit outside their weight class.

He has hurt the Rhino, The Hulk, Asgardian Rock trolls, Ironman, Mr. Hyde, The Wrecking Crew etc. no I don't have the scans. They are in Caps respect thread in the forum.

I never mentioned that Cap would directly win the fight with "guile" which you are so obsessed about. But I did argue at length that Cap would win with superior fighting skill which includes things like his h2h combat and fight intelligence/tactical skill. But the original ridiculous claim was that Cap couldn't hurt him. Whereas Cap is an elite street leve, when facing someone who is more powerful than him in a debate we look at when he actually fought someone at that level not just at his street level showings ? You get that right? You know how debates work? Should I write this down?

If Deathstroke is pit against The Thing I don't think many people are going to be citing his fights against Batman and his street level status.

But please tell me more about the god emperor.

You can't even grasp basic debate etiquette apparently.

You made the claim that Cap hurts Hulk level beings and are using that as a baseline in this battle.

You then rattle off ridiculous nonsense about pressure points.

Name the instances in which Cap used pressure points against class 60-100 beings as opposed to using punches, kicks and shield strikes to do damage to that level of being. If they're in the respect thread, it should be easy to point out. The onus is on you. That respect thread isn't showing what you're claiming. Most of the time he doesn't use pressure points, even when fighting guys on Thor's level.

I mentioned that Cap has hurt Hulk in order to prove how nonsensical the argument that Cap gets stomped/can't harm Thor is. How else would you prove that aside from showing Cap taking down even more powerful foes?

You're obsessed with pressure points. I mentioned pressure points once (which he dropped the Hulk with) and explicitly state how he wouldn't need pressure points to drop Thor (in my quote above) yet you still want pressure point evidence,.  He dropped the Hulk, can't find the scan. And again I'll say he doesn't need pp's. This point is addressed but you're fixating on it becAuse it's the last leg you have to stand on. The respect thread has no thumbnails or links and I'm not going to go digging for something that is so well known for you. A quanchi/jellyrobes hybdrid with no value #af obsessed with #warhammsrxz. It's adorable. #for real

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Cap doesn't normally operate at a level where he's hurting Hulk level beings when he's up against them. See Master Tolkein's most recent resppnse to you. That's an accurate assessment of Cap's abilities.
Master said a lot of nonsensical stuff with 0 evidence.

So when he's harming Thor level beings on more than one occasion what level has he operated at? I've showed you 5 times where Cap has engaged a stronger foe and harmed them. The burden of proof now falls on you to demonstrate Cap NOT harming s Thor level being, please go ahead. Why are we ignoring evidence of how Cap operates against Thor level beings when he's fighting a Thor level being? What else should be used as evidence then? His fights against Red Skull?

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You can't even prove the basics of what you're claiming and have resorted to saying "I don't have to provide proof for my ridiculous claims".
I've provided plenty of proof. Namor clones as well, here is another

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indicative of your utterly flawed premise as is your Jelly like approach to being called out for failing to provide substative backing for your outrageous claims.
Tell me what's more ridiculous ignoring on panel evidence or providing multiple examples of a character doing what you said they'd do?


Tell me more about the prim arch pleSe
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
Your entire stance in this thread is based on 3-5 showings of Cap doing insane shit.

You cannot prove Cap uses pressure points on Thor level beings more than he resorts to using standard attacks on that same class of foe. Most of the time Cap doesn't use pressure points, even against Thor class foes. We go by averages here. I've given you plenty of time to do so and yet still, you can't.

You're wrong on that point and you can't admit it.

When he's harming Thor class beings he's operating at an extreme level, which is an extreme outlier compared to when he fights those same class of beings most of the time. Most of the time he doesn't do the damage you're saying he does even against that same class of foe.

Therein lies your flawed approach. You cannot prove that Cap hurts Thor class foes more than he resorts to other avenues of winning a fight against those very same opponents.

You're wrong about this point as well and you can't admit it.

In fact, it's the opposite.  Cap rarely uses pressure points in fights, even against Thor class beings.

Cap rarely strikes hard enough to hurt Thor class beings consistently.

We don't use the rare feats of characters when we debate here.

Hahahaha and now you've reached "oh yeah, well warhammer40k is all you can do raargh" levels of desperation.

Cheer up buckeroo, you don't have to die on this hill.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 23, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
Is 2017 Gree's farewell tour or something?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:09:48 PM
Your entire stance in this thread is based on 3-5 showings of Cap doing insane shit.

You cannot prove Cap uses pressure points on Thor level beings more than he resorts to using standard attacks on that same class of foe. Most of the time Cap doesn't use pressure points, even against Thor class foes. We go by averages here. I've given you plenty of time to do so and yet still, you can't.

You're wrong on that point and you can't admit it.

When he's harming Thor class beings he's operating at an extreme level, which is an extreme outlier compared to when he fights those same class of beings most of the time. Most of the time he doesn't do the damage you're saying he does even against that same class of foe.

Therein lies your flawed approach. You cannot prove that Cap hurts Thor class foes more than he resorts to other avenues of winning a fight against those very same opponents.

You're wrong about this point as well and you can't admit it.

In fact, it's the opposite.  Cap rarely uses pressure points in fights, even against Thor class beings.

Cap rarely strikes hard enough to hurt Thor class beings consistently.

We don't use the rare feats of characters when we debate here.

Hahahaha and now you've reached "oh yeah, well warhammer40k is all you can do raargh" levels of desperation.

Cheer up buckeroo, you don't have to die on this hill.

Please go ahead and show me Cap failing to hurt these foes, which would ACTUALLY be a more valid debate stance. If it is as extreme as you say, please provide evidence proving so-Cap taking them on and being ineffectual. I am giving evidence of how Cap fairs against the foe he is fighting in this battle. How he fairs against a different opponent is not too relevant you get that right?

I don't HAVE to prove that Cap uses pressure points to take the, down more often than he uses standard tactics because I NEVEER said he would, you understand that? Should I simplify it? You understand English? High school level? Dropout level or whatever you are. I stated "he can drop him with pressure points if need be". Which in kook #af #warhammers speak means that now Cap uses pressure points on Thor level beings more than standard attacks.

Bro you keep trying to warp my argument into me saying that Cap would take him out with pressure points, in order to give yourself an argument and a leg to stand on, when that's not what I said at all. You've completed warped and misconstrued my argument to fit into your scheme. I never said he would take him out exclusively with nerve strikes, nor did I say he used it often. I didn't give you 3-5 examples I gave you 6 off the top of my head and I'm no expert. 6 examples of him defeating Thor level opponents in a battle vs Thor. How craaaazy! Keep trying you'll get it


And it's adorable that your actual cheerleader has now arrived. You're a joke
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 01:20:46 PM
Excellent. You concede that Cap most likely wouldn't use pressure points to win against Thor here.

Awesome. We're getting somewhere. That's 1 of your ridiculous claims knocked out.

6 examples of Cap defeating Thor level foes or 6 examples of Cap affecting Thor level foes with his strikes?

Those are two vastly different claims. Are you sure you still know what you're talking about?

Those 6 examples do not prove Cap can strike with that level of power more than he resorts to other avenues of winning against that same level of opponent.

This is the claim you have to address:

Cap rarely strikes with the necessary level of power to hurt or put down Thor class beings even when facing that class of being.

You have nothing to counter that fact. It's simply true.

You can't admit you're wrong here and you've gotten so flustered you're taking shots at posters who aren't even making aggressive posts towards you at the moment.

Calm down a little bit haha.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: MTL76 on April 23, 2017, 01:22:40 PM
Gree, can you give some examples of comic Cap hurting MCU Thor level beings? I'm blanking on any and didn't see any examples noted.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:23:21 PM
Excellent. You concede that Cap most likely wouldn't use pressure points to win against Thor here.

Awesome. We're getting somewhere. That's 1 of your ridiculous claims knocked out.

6 examples of Cap defeating Thor level foes or 6 examples of Cap affecting Thor level foes with his strikes?

Those are two vastly different claims. Are you sure you still know what you're talking about?

Those 6 examples do not prove Cap can strike with that level of power more than he resorts to other avenues of winning against that same level of opponent.

This is the claim you have to address:

Cap rarely strikes with the necessary level of power to hurt or put down Thor class beings even when facing that class of being.

You have nothing to counter that fact. It's simply true.

You can't admit you're wrong here and you've gotten so flustered you're taking shots at posters who aren't even making aggressive posts towards you at the moment.

Calm down a little bit haha.


I'm not flustered, I am frustrated as you've gone on a tirade and have latched onto something I never even said.

I'm a little confused  with your question. If Cap has fought Thor+ level opponents more than a handful of times and has fought with enough force to harm the, and take them down, why do I have to prove that this is a rare occasion? Your statement makes no sense. Cap rarely uses force high enough to harm these beings even when fighting these beings despite using force that is indeed harming these beings when fighting these beings?

Bro read my post above, and the thread again. I never said he uses Pressure points more than standard attacks. Again you're putting words in my mouth, look at my post above.

I'm looking at fights where Cap has fought foes significantly above his strength class and citing them as examples. I don't think how Cap fares against Batroc has much relevance here.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
Gree, can you give some examples of comic Cap hurting MCU Thor level beings? I'm blanking on any and didn't see any examples noted.

He has hurt and defeated  comic Hulk, has gone to toe toe with comic Namor, he has defeated comic Namor clones, he has taken on Fenris, he has defeated Agardian Rock trolls, he has taken down Mr. Hyde, he has taken on the Wrecking Crew, he has taken on and nearly defeated comic Ironman.

I don't have scans but these are pretty well known. For example-not the whole fight, and February does bite his arm. Just something I quickly googled and not the best example. But if you realize the power gap between Fenris and Movie Thor...
(http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/longform/thor-disassembled-cap-move.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/74/50/7d745001f791a9ca3d522eaf5919513e.jpg)


These are all characters at Thor level or drastically higher.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Kallor on April 23, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
Oats, where you at?  This is your wheelhouse.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 01:43:41 PM
Excellent. You concede that Cap most likely wouldn't use pressure points to win against Thor here.

Awesome. We're getting somewhere. That's 1 of your ridiculous claims knocked out.

6 examples of Cap defeating Thor level foes or 6 examples of Cap affecting Thor level foes with his strikes?

Those are two vastly different claims. Are you sure you still know what you're talking about?

Those 6 examples do not prove Cap can strike with that level of power more than he resorts to other avenues of winning against that same level of opponent.

This is the claim you have to address:

Cap rarely strikes with the necessary level of power to hurt or put down Thor class beings even when facing that class of being.

You have nothing to counter that fact. It's simply true.

You can't admit you're wrong here and you've gotten so flustered you're taking shots at posters who aren't even making aggressive posts towards you at the moment.

Calm down a little bit haha.


I'm not flustered, I am frustrated as you've gone on a tirade and have latched onto something I never even said.

I'm a little confused  with your question. If Cap has fought Thor+ level opponents more than a handful of times and has fought with enough force to harm the, and take them down, why do I have to prove that this is a rare occasion? Your statement makes no sense. Cap rarely uses force high enough to harm these beings even when fighting these beings despite using force that is indeed harming these beings when fighting these beings?

Bro read my post above, and the thread again. I never said he uses Pressure points more than standard attacks. Again you're putting words in my mouth, look at my post above.

I'm looking at fights where Cap has fought foes significantly above his strength class and citing them as examples. I don't think how Cap fares against Batroc has much relevance here.

I will make this really easy for you.

How many times has Cap fought someone class 60 and above?

Vs

How many times is he shown affecting these same beings to a significant degree?

If you have 6 examples, that's cool. Answer the first part because over 25 is a starting point.

That's not an average my guy.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 23, 2017, 01:51:38 PM
Gree, can you give some examples of comic Cap hurting MCU Thor level beings? I'm blanking on any and didn't see any examples noted.

He has hurt and defeated  comic Hulk, has gone to toe toe with comic Namor, he has defeated comic Namor clones, he has taken on Fenris, he has defeated Agardian Rock trolls, he has taken down Mr. Hyde, he has taken on the Wrecking Crew, he has taken on and nearly defeated comic Ironman.

I don't have scans but these are pretty well known. For example-not the whole fight, and February does bite his arm. Just something I quickly googled and not the best example. But if you realize the power gap between Fenris and Movie Thor...
(http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/longform/thor-disassembled-cap-move.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/74/50/7d745001f791a9ca3d522eaf5919513e.jpg)


These are all characters at Thor level or drastically higher.

What? He has five or six instances of not being able to even hurt hulk, Namor has flat out curbstomped him on more than half a dozen instances and most recently broke his arm like a twig while delusional and drained, last time even power sharing Wrecker almost killed him with one hit etc.

He has like three defeats to John Steele himself. You are seriously overestimating Cap's record against bricks.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 02:07:14 PM
Which is great but comic Namor and Thor are vastly more powerful than him, but Anhi is doing a better job than Jook (if you can trust him which you can't)
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
Excellent. You concede that Cap most likely wouldn't use pressure points to win against Thor here.

Awesome. We're getting somewhere. That's 1 of your ridiculous claims knocked out.

6 examples of Cap defeating Thor level foes or 6 examples of Cap affecting Thor level foes with his strikes?

Those are two vastly different claims. Are you sure you still know what you're talking about?

Those 6 examples do not prove Cap can strike with that level of power more than he resorts to other avenues of winning against that same level of opponent.

This is the claim you have to address:

Cap rarely strikes with the necessary level of power to hurt or put down Thor class beings even when facing that class of being.

You have nothing to counter that fact. It's simply true.

You can't admit you're wrong here and you've gotten so flustered you're taking shots at posters who aren't even making aggressive posts towards you at the moment.

Calm down a little bit haha.


I'm not flustered, I am frustrated as you've gone on a tirade and have latched onto something I never even said.

I'm a little confused  with your question. If Cap has fought Thor+ level opponents more than a handful of times and has fought with enough force to harm the, and take them down, why do I have to prove that this is a rare occasion? Your statement makes no sense. Cap rarely uses force high enough to harm these beings even when fighting these beings despite using force that is indeed harming these beings when fighting these beings?

Bro read my post above, and the thread again. I never said he uses Pressure points more than standard attacks. Again you're putting words in my mouth, look at my post above.

I'm looking at fights where Cap has fought foes significantly above his strength class and citing them as examples. I don't think how Cap fares against Batroc has much relevance here.

I will make this really easy for you.

How many times has Cap fought someone class 60 and above?

Vs

How many times is he shown affecting these same beings to a significant degree?

If you have 6 examples, that's cool. Answer the first part because over 25 is a starting point.

That's not an average my guy.

Tht burden of proof falls to you my friend
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
Hahahaha what? That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Cap has fought MCU Thor level beings many times and resorted to using other means beyond punching and kicking and shield strikes, was the point.

You've listed 6 ridiculous examples.

That's not an average.

You have nothing left in this thread.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 02:31:10 PM
Hahahaha what? That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Cap has fought MCU Thor level beings many times and resorted to using other means beyond punching and kicking and shield strikes, was the point.

You've listed 6 ridiculous examples.

That's not an average.

You have nothing left in this thread.



Why are they ridiculous examples? I'll give you the King Thor one but I'm not currently citing it.

I don't think you understand what you are saying anymore, and seem to be alternating stances but it's good to see you've abandoned the nonsensical pressure point position.

Cap has fought and defeated people in MCU's class, and higher, more than one time. You have not demonstrated him failing to do so at this point. That is the point of our argument.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 23, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
Comic Cap has outwrestled Immortal Hercules.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 23, 2017, 02:45:35 PM
Maybe you can show us a legitimate fight where he beats a high tier brick.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/122695667515/captain-america-vs-john-steele-from-secret

Otherwise even meta level characters are too much for him to beat.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 03:20:04 PM
You have an Abhi, I have a Jelly!
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 04:22:12 PM
Hahahaha what? That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Cap has fought MCU Thor level beings many times and resorted to using other means beyond punching and kicking and shield strikes, was the point.

You've listed 6 ridiculous examples.

That's not an average.

You have nothing left in this thread.



Why are they ridiculous examples? I'll give you the King Thor one but I'm not currently citing it.

I don't think you understand what you are saying anymore, and seem to be alternating stances but it's good to see you've abandoned the nonsensical pressure point position.

Cap has fought and defeated people in MCU's class, and higher, more than one time. You have not demonstrated him failing to do so at this point. That is the point of our argument.

You've literally parroted my comments to you back at me. As if that's not the most juvenile and transparent attempt at saving face one can do on a message board.

You conceded the pressure point argument and cannot reconcile Cap's performance aagainst Thor class beings with his average level of performance.

This entire thead is an incredibly poor look for you.

You're wrong, have been called on it by damn near everyone and have gotten emotional over it.

Take the L and move on.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 04:25:31 PM
You have an Abhi, I have a Jelly!

You have Jelly, I guess, but most likely not.

I have literally everyone else who posted in this thread.

Again, maybe the worst performance by a seasoned member since I've been here.

Almost as bad as when K-M took Fangirl's life over Star Sapphire.

I and everyone else in this thead besides you, we're K-M.

You are Fangirl.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 04:28:26 PM
Maybe you can show us a legitimate fight where he beats a high tier brick.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/122695667515/captain-america-vs-john-steele-from-secret

Otherwise even meta level characters are too much for him to beat.

Kingpin also gave Cap business. He's like what? Class 10 at absolute best?

But look guy, we have to take extremely high end stuff and only look at that when debating this topic for some reason.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 05:34:45 PM
Hahahaha what? That doesn't even make sense as a response.

Cap has fought MCU Thor level beings many times and resorted to using other means beyond punching and kicking and shield strikes, was the point.

You've listed 6 ridiculous examples.

That's not an average.

You have nothing left in this thread.



Why are they ridiculous examples? I'll give you the King Thor one but I'm not currently citing it.

I don't think you understand what you are saying anymore, and seem to be alternating stances but it's good to see you've abandoned the nonsensical pressure point position.

Cap has fought and defeated people in MCU's class, and higher, more than one time. You have not demonstrated him failing to do so at this point. That is the point of our argument.

You've literally parroted my comments to you back at me. As if that's not the most juvenile and transparent attempt at saving face one can do on a message board.

You conceded the pressure point argument and cannot reconcile Cap's performance aagainst Thor class beings with his average level of performance.

This entire thead is an incredibly poor look for you.

You're wrong, have been called on it by damn near everyone and have gotten emotional over it.

Take the L and move on.

Conceded the pressure point argument? Guy there was no pressure point argument except for the one you made in your head. You realize that yes? I stated that Cap can use pressure points if need be. Do you know what "if need be" denotes? Point to me where exactly I said Cap uses pressure points to take down bricks more often than fists in this thread.

I'm glad you love the support you've gotten in this thread and it's great that you're all wrong, but if this imaginary argument gives you comfort or victory that you concocted in your head by altering things I said and then arguing against them that's great!

Fact is there is an established precedent for A list elites like Cap, Batman and Deathstroke to go to town on bricks, and they have done so throughout their histories, and they'd take MCU Thor to the woodshed. So go take a shower, put on your big boy breeches, have mommies warm you some
Milk,  #af #fam, go play some warhammer and welcome to the big leagues.

Without question there are variabilites and scales of power throughout fictional universes that I have personally seen you acknowledge in a variety of other threads, yet have now become blind to for some reason. You had to summon Abhi to post a legitimate argument to give you something to stand on, which still aren't perfect.

All you had to do to deconstruct my argument was come up with an array of examples of Cap failing against bricks. But you couldn't and wouldn't, latched onto the phrase pressure point and have continued to pat yourself on the back with the rest of your philistines, for accomplishing nothing. You're a poor excuse of a joke poster, and have filled a small niche for a brief period like fangirl and quanchi. It's cute.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 05:35:22 PM
Maybe you can show us a legitimate fight where he beats a high tier brick.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/122695667515/captain-america-vs-john-steele-from-secret

Otherwise even meta level characters are too much for him to beat.

Kingpin also gave Cap business. He's like what? Class 10 at absolute best?

But look guy, we have to take extremely high end stuff and only look at that when debating this topic for some reason.

Adorable, you and Abhi are doing a great job #fam #empeoror
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 23, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
There's just some people who really are out of Cap's and other high end street levelers.  Thor's definitely one of those that I think a punch or a kick to the head would be like a kiss from a baby. 
And hell all Thor would have to do is electrify the ground or hit close to cap with some lightning.  Fights over.  Thor would be like quit throwing that colored frisbee at me.  Catch it throw it back with way more force and velocity.  Cap gets deCAPitated or loses an arm or some fingers. 
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 05:53:00 PM
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 23, 2017, 06:01:18 PM
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side

Thing is haven't pressure points say from Like Daredevil failed against say Nuke and the Hulk before.  And Even Gamora used pressure points against Thanos when he faked being stuck or immobile from them.  And she knew he was faking it.  Thor & Hulk have taken clean shots to the chest from rockets and wasn't wounded, damaged or knocked out.  But, a punch or kick from Cap is carrying that equivalent force?  I don't think so.  Hence, the kiss from a baby comparison. 
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side

Thing is haven't pressure points say from Like Daredevil failed against say Nuke and the Hulk before.  And Even Gamora used pressure points against Thanos when he faked being stuck or immobile from them.  And she knew he was faking it.  Thor & Hulk have taken clean shots to the chest from rockets and wasn't wounded, damaged or knocked out.  But, a punch or kick from Cap is carrying that equivalent force?  I don't think so.  Hence, the kiss from a baby comparison. 

Cap doesn't need pressure points HAHA to hurt this Thor. Shield strikes and fists will work.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dlbiininja on April 23, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side

Thing is haven't pressure points say from Like Daredevil failed against say Nuke and the Hulk before.  And Even Gamora used pressure points against Thanos when he faked being stuck or immobile from them.  And she knew he was faking it.  Thor & Hulk have taken clean shots to the chest from rockets and wasn't wounded, damaged or knocked out.  But, a punch or kick from Cap is carrying that equivalent force?  I don't think so.  Hence, the kiss from a baby comparison. 

Cap doesn't need pressure points HAHA to hurt this Thor. Shield strikes and fists will work.

Maybe, they'll even let cap get in a reverse neck hug. 

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/dailyburn/hulkcap.jpg)

And the thing about the pressure points was that they proved to be irrelevant factors in the fight.  And because, I saw that you had used them as an option by cap.  So, he'd be left with his baby kisses as a weapon. 
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 23, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
3 pages of this shit?

#greeturnsheel
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 06:52:26 PM
Hahaha. Dudes been an emotional wreck this entire thread and it's been pretty great.

He called you a cheerleader because he was so hurt.

Good times.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 06:53:48 PM
Xerxes is a cheerleader you nimkumpoop
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 06:54:16 PM
Hahaha. Dudes been an emotional wreck this entire thread and it's been pretty great.

He called you a cheerleader because he was so hurt.

Good times.
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side

Thing is haven't pressure points say from Like Daredevil failed against say Nuke and the Hulk before.  And Even Gamora used pressure points against Thanos when he faked being stuck or immobile from them.  And she knew he was faking it.  Thor & Hulk have taken clean shots to the chest from rockets and wasn't wounded, damaged or knocked out.  But, a punch or kick from Cap is carrying that equivalent force?  I don't think so.  Hence, the kiss from a baby comparison. 

Cap doesn't need pressure points HAHA to hurt this Thor. Shield strikes and fists will work.

Maybe, they'll even let cap get in a reverse neck hug. 

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/dailyburn/hulkcap.jpg)

And the thing about the pressure points was that they proved to be irrelevant factors in the fight.  And because, I saw that you had used them as an option by cap.  So, he'd be left with his baby kisses as a weapon. 

Keep patting yourself on the back my friend for accomplishing nothing, my friend. The imaginary crowd in the godemeporer Jook land is loving it.

Good company Jooky. Tell me more about the blood priests of the dark rage legion
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
A kiss from a baby are exactly the type of ludicrous stuff on the Jukem side

Thing is haven't pressure points say from Like Daredevil failed against say Nuke and the Hulk before.  And Even Gamora used pressure points against Thanos when he faked being stuck or immobile from them.  And she knew he was faking it.  Thor & Hulk have taken clean shots to the chest from rockets and wasn't wounded, damaged or knocked out.  But, a punch or kick from Cap is carrying that equivalent force?  I don't think so.  Hence, the kiss from a baby comparison. 

Cap doesn't need pressure points HAHA to hurt this Thor. Shield strikes and fists will work.

Maybe, they'll even let cap get in a reverse neck hug. 

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/dailyburn/hulkcap.jpg)

And the thing about the pressure points was that they proved to be irrelevant factors in the fight.  And because, I saw that you had used them as an option by cap.  So, he'd be left with his baby kisses as a weapon. 

You know Cap HAS taken out Hulk with pressure points, right? As an aside.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 06:58:59 PM
Haha, you're legit hurt at failing so incredibly hard.

You chose this hill to die on while the entire board watched.

You're in the midst of pulling a Tarugo and it's the best.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
Haha, you're legit hurt at failing so incredibly hard.

You chose this hill to die on while the entire board watched.

You're in the midst of pulling a Tarugo and it's the best.

You're so LIT right now it's amazing.

Please tell me more about how its not CCapers Avg to hurt deez people, but he still hurts dem! and before but it doesnt make sense cuz he doesnt kill daredevil and pressure pints and comics and warhammerz.

You're a joke. You're like the worst parts of Quanchi, Fangirl and Abhi welded together with an even more intolerable shtick, grafted onto the disgusting societal degeneration and self obsession currently present. You talk about the board and continuously pat yourself on the back demanding attention, but in terms of board presence you're a putrid fart in a wind that will pass and fade away, but you're trying so desperately to be remembered and get noticed.

Its ADORABLE.

Tell me more about your jitz skills
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 23, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
Maybe you can show us a legitimate fight where he beats a high tier brick.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/122695667515/captain-america-vs-john-steele-from-secret

Otherwise even meta level characters are too much for him to beat.
Thor isnt a street level high end ma.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
Haha, you're legit hurt at failing so incredibly hard.

You chose this hill to die on while the entire board watched.

You're in the midst of pulling a Tarugo and it's the best.

You're so LIT right now it's amazing.

Please tell me more about how its not CCapers Avg to hurt deez people, but he still hurts dem! and before but it doesnt make sense cuz he doesnt kill daredevil and pressure pints and comics and warhammerz.

You're a joke. You're like the worst parts of Quanchi, Fangirl and Abhi welded together with an even more intolerable shtick, grafted onto the disgusting societal degeneration and self obsession currently present. You talk about the board and continuously pat yourself on the back demanding attention, but in terms of board presence you're a putrid fart in a wind that will pass and fade away, but you're trying so desperately to be remembered and get noticed.

Its ADORABLE.

Tell me more about your jitz skills

Take a moment and reflect on your meltdown, guy.

This is quickly becoming HoF worthy material.

You're wrong, the gaping holes in both your logic and overall arguments have been exposed and now you're continuing with juvenile behavior.

You're doing this to yourself.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Lol keep patting yourself on the back. You got stuck in half guard and got arm triangled

You definitely got me good chief.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
Maybe you can show us a legitimate fight where he beats a high tier brick.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/122695667515/captain-america-vs-john-steele-from-secret

Otherwise even meta level characters are too much for him to beat.
Thor isnt a street level high end ma.

Yep, Steel was a monster with superspeed
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 23, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
(http://s23.postimg.org/rg4g15oy3/CA122_13a.jpg)
Scorpion is only a class 20 brick with minimal fighting abilities.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Md3j3WBWvws/Ur0UvwpqNkI/AAAAAAAABdc/HJtxBgs2zK0/s1600/Cap_251H.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vTCEeE-Gfhs/UkukvXU4ndI/AAAAAAAASRA/Nk6t5pvxW64/s1600/War6.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_bgIy4stAnc/V4VO_zdBdJI/AAAAAAAAPhM/xgsv6Q44dwUAMfOD3x5x9x-5g7OWX_xogCEw/s1600/c6.jpg)
Depending on the formula, Hyde could be anywhere between class 20-50.  No real fighting ability from the guy, either.

(http://abload.de/img/captainamerica147-019j7dkj.jpg)
Kingpin has decent fighting skills and around this time, he was written as around Spider-Man level.

Just a quick search for Cap fighting stronger opponents and having trouble.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Lol keep patting yourself on the back. You got stuck in half guard and got arm triangled

You definitely got me good chief.

Haha you can't even help yourself. That's not at all how you sink in an arm triangle.

You're straight up eviscerating yourself.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
Your entire premise was flawed from the beginning and your own pride is keeping you from admitting as much.

It's the best.

You are wrong and we've all proven as much.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 23, 2017, 09:09:32 PM
AP has come to put the final nail in the coffin.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 09:12:34 PM
Indeed.

Like, as soon as he started back tracking the shit was a wrap.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 23, 2017, 09:16:10 PM
Saying Cap will win 1-2/10 isn't crazy.

Saying he wins a majority, is.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 09:18:56 PM
Cap crushes him though.

But that's hyperbole I guess.

But not really because spending 8 pages vehemently arguing a nonsensical position is totally on the level.

This just might be worse than Ali vs Drago and Floyd vs Ronda combined.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
Saying Cap will win 1-2/10 isn't crazy.

Saying he wins a majority, is.

He wins those 2 through guile, cunning and tactical/strategic application/knowledge for sure.

I'll take the credit for Cap's wins here, thanks.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:11:23 PM
[]http://s23.postimg.org/rg4g15oy3/CA122_13a.jpg[/img]
Scorpion is only a class 20 brick with minimal fighting abilities.

[]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Md3j3WBWvws/Ur0UvwpqNkI/AAAAAAAABdc/HJtxBgs2zK0/s1600/Cap_251H.png[/img]
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vTCEeE-Gfhs/UkukvXU4ndI/AAAAAAAASRA/Nk6t5pvxW64/s1600/War6.jpg)
[]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_bgIy4stAnc/V4VO_zdBdJI/AAAAAAAAPhM/xgsv6Q44dwUAMfOD3x5x9x-5g7OWX_xogCEw/s1600/c6.jpg[/img]
Depending on the formula, Hyde could be anywhere between class 20-50.  No real fighting ability from the guy, either.

[imhttp://abload.de/img/captainamerica147-019j7dkj.jpg[/img]
Kingpin has decent fighting skills and around this time, he was written as around Spider-Man level.

Just a quick search for Cap fighting

Now that's a valid argument and fair point. So 5-6 example to 5-6 examples
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
Lol keep patting yourself on the back. You got stuck in half guard and got arm triangled

You definitely got me good chief.

Haha you can't even help yourself. That's not at all how you sink in an arm triangle.

You're straight up eviscerating yourself.

So you can't sink in an arm triangle from half guard now? Tell me ,ore
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
Cap crushes him though.

But that's hyperbole I guess.

But not really because spending 8 pages vehemently arguing a nonsensical position is totally on the level.

This just might be worse than Ali vs Drago and Floyd vs Ronda combined.

Lol you're hilariously inflating your own ego.

You literally made up an argument to debate against.

Obviously I was kidding when I mentioned Cap crushes him, I gave my odds of 6/10 earlier on in the thread.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
AP has come to put the final nail in the coffin.

Why do AP's showings have superior weight to the showings of Cap affecting those people?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:15:36 PM
Saying Cap will win 1-2/10 isn't crazy.

Saying he wins a majority, is.

Please explain how? He's vastly more skilled and has fought more powerful opponents, as well won on multiple occasions. AP found 5-6 showings of him being ineffectual while I cited 5-6 of him winning, yet that's somehow ignored?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Haha Jesus Christ.

Any white belt from any decently acclaimed gym will tell you to pass the half guard on whichever side you're attempting the triangle on, though there are plenty of ways to pass that half guard.

You don't sit in someone's half guard and attempt that submission.

This is getting worse for you.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:20:48 PM
I can google too

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/16715/3241597-cap+defeats+namor1.jpg)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3278488-capitan_america_namor_2.jpg)

(http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/capitanamerica/capitan_america_namor_5.jpg)

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111119363/3697326-hyde.jpg)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122896/4637459-capkicksoutprofessorhulk_zpsb55449a2.jpg)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111147170/4317938-9475295217-19741.jpg)
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
The average of both.

We use averages here.

You posted 6 examples of Cap doing insane shit to bricks.

AP/Abhi posted 6 examples of him failing to hurt even lower class beings.

This is not difficult.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
Haha Jesus Christ.

Any white belt from any decently acclaimed gym will tell you to pass the half guard on whichever side you're attempting the triangle on, though there are plenty of ways to pass that half guard.

You don't sit in someone's half guard and attempt that submission.

This is getting worse for you.

Tell me more about your jitsu, it sounds cool
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:26:44 PM
The average of both.

We use averages here.

You posted 6 examples of Cap doing insane shit to bricks.

AP/Abhi posted 6 examples of him failing to hurt even lower class beings.

This is not difficult.

These bricks vastly outclass Thor you get it right? My argument stepped from the ridiculous notion that Cap couldn't harm him. Want to talk about pressure points some more?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
Haha Jesus Christ.

Any white belt from any decently acclaimed gym will tell you to pass the half guard on whichever side you're attempting the triangle on, though there are plenty of ways to pass that half guard.

You don't sit in someone's half guard and attempt that submission.

This is getting worse for you.

Tell me more about your jitsu, it sounds cool

You're wrong about this as well and you can't even admit that either.

HoF this shit.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
The average of both.

We use averages here.

You posted 6 examples of Cap doing insane shit to bricks.

AP/Abhi posted 6 examples of him failing to hurt even lower class beings.

This is not difficult.

These bricks vastly outclass Thor you get it right? My argument stepped from the ridiculous notion that Cap couldn't harm him. Want to talk about pressure points some more?

Mr. Hyde and Kingpin now vastly outclass MCU Thor. Haha.

Hahahaha.

My lord you are wounded.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 10:43:06 PM
For the funnies of it all.

This was in direct response to my calling you out on bringing up pressure points as something he could do in this fight. I mean, you flat out say Cap wouldn't even need to use pressure points, yet you saw it as viable.

Reply #47 in this very thread:

Quote
Tactics that Cap has used on multiple occasions as have other A listers against physically superior foes.

Then that point got destroyed and the revisionist history started.

Haha.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
The average of both.

We use averages here.

You posted 6 examples of Cap doing insane shit to bricks.

AP/Abhi posted 6 examples of him failing to hurt even lower class beings.

This is not difficult.

These bricks vastly outclass Thor you get it right? My argument stepped from the ridiculous notion that Cap couldn't harm him. Want to talk about pressure points some more?

Mr. Hyde and Kingpin now vastly outclass MCU Thor. Haha.

Hahahaha.

My lord you are wounded.

Jesus you really can't follow a simple thread of logic. Physically a competent Hyde outclasses movie Thor btw. As does Namor, comic Ironman, etc.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:51:35 PM
Haha Jesus Christ.

Any white belt from any decently acclaimed gym will tell you to pass the half guard on whichever side you're attempting the triangle on, though there are plenty of ways to pass that half guard.

You don't sit in someone's half guard and attempt that submission.

This is getting worse for you.

Tell me more about your jitsu, it sounds cool

You're wrong about this as well and you can't even admit that either.

HoF this shit.

You got stuck in half guard means means you're in my half guard man. A common place for defensive arm triangles. Guy you can't even read or jitz right Haha
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 10:53:43 PM
For the funnies of it all.

This was in direct response to my calling you out on bringing up pressure points as something he could do in this fight. I mean, you flat out say Cap wouldn't even need to use pressure points, yet you saw it as viable.

Reply #47 in this very thread:

Quote
Tactics that Cap has used on multiple occasions as have other A listers against physically superior foes.

Then that point got destroyed and the revisionist history started.

Haha.

Yea an attack Cap has used in the past....is actually a viable tactic, you get that right? Probability is a different story.

I posted two examples of Cap using pressure point/weak point attacks. You don't think other A listers have? Batman? DD? Really? Do you read comics?

Why are you congratulating yourself you have literally done nothing? If anything it was AP doing something of value haha.

Lol you're honestly a joke. You're having a meltdown my friend, Strange hands you your ass in another thread and you come here looking for something and get karate kicked wam bam to the side
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 23, 2017, 11:18:44 PM
Gree posted Cap beating Hyde. AP posted Cap unable to do much of anything against st Hyde... and Hyde remarking that when Cap won last time, Hyde's power was ultra low (probably due to poor formula). Cap and Batroc unloading repeatedly with team tactics does nothing more than piss off Hyde until Batroc gets too close and is clobbered with one punch.

Gree also posting Cap smashing through Tony's face plate at the end of Civil War. Isn't that after Cap had Vision fuck up Iron Man with a phase, letting the fight be more even?

And then a scan of Cap doing nothing to Prof Hulk other than knocking him off balance.

MCU Thor 8/10.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
Haha AP provided pictures to the points already made. That's all he did.

The unfathomably terrible arguments and logic you tried to use were already debunked thoroughly.

A defensive arm triangle is a last ditch effort that nobody would try on anyone with even a modicum of BJJ experience.

Hahaha this is beyond the pale.

This is the best thread in a year solid.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:21:57 PM
Gree posted Cap beating Hyde. AP posted Cap unable to do much of anything against st Hyde... and Hyde remarking that when Cap won last time, Hyde's power was ultra low (probably due to poor formula). Cap and Batroc unloading repeatedly with team tactics does nothing more than piss off Hyde until Batroc gets too close and is clobbered with one punch.

Gree also posting Cap smashing through Tony's face plate at the end of Civil War. Isn't that after Cap had Vision fuck up Iron Man with a phase, letting the fight be more even?

And then a scan of Cap doing nothing to Prof Hulk other than knocking him off balance.

MCU Thor 8/10.

Ignore the other scans and how there are a ton of others though right?

Also comic Iron Man>>>Movie Thor

Comic Hulk>>>>Movie Thor

America 6/10!
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 23, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
Does comic Cap get to have comic Vision fuck up MCU Thor before this fight? You are foaming at the mouth insane.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:25:05 PM
Does comic Cap get to have comic Vision fuck up MCU Thor before this fight? You are foaming at the mouth insane.

He wouldn't need to as MCU Thor is nowhere near as formidable as comic Ironman. Care to prove he is? Please try, I'd like to see it. This elite top tier Movie Thor


Cap has also demolished sentient IM armors that are easily as strong and tough as movie Thor without help.


You're really out there sometimes.
.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:36:57 PM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 23, 2017, 11:38:00 PM
You're trying to CBR things, agree, and you don't even realize it. Of course Cap has high showings. But his average us elite street level.

Against the Exemplars, he did nothing more than pester them through tactics. Once someone got a clean hit on him, he was KOed, leaving Thor and Herc the last two Avengers standing.

You posted the Namor fight as one of your examples. Where Namor was mind controlled. And where Cap managing to knock away NAMOR while UNDERWATER is an insane out-lier high showing. But even then, he never beats Namor into submission. Namor is KOed when the control disk is damaged.

You havent shown a good circumstance-free example of Cap straight up defeating an opponent who was over class 30 - 40.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:38:41 PM
So all you guys have to do is show me Thor beating an opponent that is vastly more skilled, agile, has a defensive weapon that can block all of his attacks and is skilled and strong enough to take him down.

Wait....you can't?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
You're trying to CBR things, agree, and you don't even realize it. Of course Cap has high showings. But his average us elite street level.

Against the Exemplars, he did nothing more than pester them through tactics. Once someone got a clean hit on him, he was KOed, leaving Thor and Herc the last two Avengers standing.

You posted the Namor fight as one of your examples. Where Namor was mind controlled. And where Cap managing to knock away NAMOR while UNDERWATER is an insane out-lier high showing. But even then, he never beats Namor into submission. Namor is KOed when the control disk is damaged.

You havent shown a good circumstance-free example of Cap straight up defeating an opponent who was over class 30 - 40.

Cap KO's Namor mid flight with his shield in one scan i posted with a quick cursory google and yourntaking all of this as definitive proof across his 60 year History? Got marinara in the brain hahah

You do get that the Exemplars and Namor are vastly more powerful than movie Thor? As an aside? He doesn't have to beat Namor into submission to prove he can beat Thor as Namornis a lot stronger and tougher than him.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:42:16 PM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.

Guy can you even read?

I love how you're talking to an imaginary audience still padding yourself on the back for getting destroyed, and contributing nothing hahaha.

I mention this multiple times. I gave comic Bats and Deathstroke odds here. You're comparing oranges and apples.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 23, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
I'm not reading 11 pages. I'll just say that if this saw print, I'm quite sure Cap would be written as being able to take this.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:46:42 PM
Dear God.

This thread just happened. You're positing an obviously different view of Cap here in this thread, therefore your past views on fights involving Cap have no bearing on how you view Cap from this point forward.

There are so many holes in your logic here it defies reason.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
Dear God.

This thread just happened. You're positing an obviously different view of Cap here in this thread, therefore your past views on fights involving Cap have no bearing on how you view Cap from this point forward.

There are so many holes in your logic here it defies reason.

You realize you can't compare apples and oranges right? And you can't use ABC logic correct? You understand that fundamental concept of debate?

How Cap fairs against movie Thor has little bearing on a battle with Iron Fist...you..do understand? You're imploding.

You realize that ALL A listers in comics have taken out people vastly outsidentheir strength class?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.

Guy can you even read?

I love how you're talking to an imaginary audience still padding yourself on the back for getting destroyed, and contributing nothing hahaha.

I mention this multiple times. I gave comic Bats and Deathstroke odds here. You're comparing oranges and apples.

You've reached a point in which you're in utter denial about reality.

Everything you're trying to claim has been debunked and you're so completely overwhelmed you can barely form coherent thoughts.

Cap fails to operate at a level in which he hurts/beats Thor class beings regularly. Normally he fights evenly with Daredevil class beings.

That brings his average down. As does his failing to consistently operate at extreme levels.

You're so beyond reason at this point it defies basic human understanding.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 23, 2017, 11:56:12 PM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.

Guy can you even read?

I love how you're talking to an imaginary audience still padding yourself on the back for getting destroyed, and contributing nothing hahaha.

I mention this multiple times. I gave comic Bats and Deathstroke odds here. You're comparing oranges and apples.

You've reached a point in which you're in utter denial about reality.

Everything you're trying to claim has been debunked and you're so completely overwhelmed you can barely form coherent thoughts.

Cap fails to operate at a level in which he hurts/beats Thor class beings regularly. Normally he fights evenly with Daredevil class beings.

That brings his average down. As does his failing to consistently operate at extreme levels.

You're so beyond reason at this point it defies basic human understanding.


You don't have a single coherent thought in the entire thread, and instead of saying why Thor wins you've spent 10 pages debating and failing at why Cap CANT win. You have no logic. I make a joke comment about jiu jitsu and you even read that wrong, go on a tirade and now tuck a tail between your legs and run away. You're a joke
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:57:11 PM
You realize that ALL A listers in comics have taken out people vastly outsidentheir strength class?

Yes they can. But that's not their average Gree. That's the entire point.

Cap's average is elite street level.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 23, 2017, 11:58:49 PM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.

Guy can you even read?

I love how you're talking to an imaginary audience still padding yourself on the back for getting destroyed, and contributing nothing hahaha.

I mention this multiple times. I gave comic Bats and Deathstroke odds here. You're comparing oranges and apples.

You've reached a point in which you're in utter denial about reality.

Everything you're trying to claim has been debunked and you're so completely overwhelmed you can barely form coherent thoughts.

Cap fails to operate at a level in which he hurts/beats Thor class beings regularly. Normally he fights evenly with Daredevil class beings.

That brings his average down. As does his failing to consistently operate at extreme levels.

You're so beyond reason at this point it defies basic human understanding.


You don't have a single coherent thought in the entire thread, and instead of saying why Thor wins you've spent 10 pages debating and failing at why Cap CANT win. You have no logic.

Haha literally everyone has seen otherwise and have made comments backing up exactly what I've been saying.

You're hurt because I ruthlessly poked holes in your terribly poorly thought out views on this fight.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 23, 2017, 11:59:40 PM
Jeez us fucking Christ!! This isn't hard to figure out.

On average, Comic Cap = Elite Street-level. MCU Thor =Above Elite Street-level (even by comic book standards.)

Has Steve beaten folks outside his weight class? Yes. Has he done so for a majority of his appearances? No. That's why he's considered street level. He's not winning a majority here.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 24, 2017, 12:00:40 AM
You have parroted back every claim on your lack of reason in this thread because you're so emotional over how bad you've been made to look you can't help yourself.

It's just amazing to witness.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
The craziest part of Gree's meltdown is how everyone will be able to point to this thread whenever a Cap fight is posted pitting him against another street level fighter.

He literally has to pick Cap over most if not all street level fighters from this point forward.

A strictly HtH fight with Batman is a non fight given his stance in this thread.

You couldn't walk yourself into a corner any harder if you tried.

Guy can you even read?

I love how you're talking to an imaginary audience still padding yourself on the back for getting destroyed, and contributing nothing hahaha.

I mention this multiple times. I gave comic Bats and Deathstroke odds here. You're comparing oranges and apples.

You've reached a point in which you're in utter denial about reality.

Everything you're trying to claim has been debunked and you're so completely overwhelmed you can barely form coherent thoughts.

Cap fails to operate at a level in which he hurts/beats Thor class beings regularly. Normally he fights evenly with Daredevil class beings.

That brings his average down. As does his failing to consistently operate at extreme levels.

You're so beyond reason at this point it defies basic human understanding.


You don't have a single coherent thought in the entire thread, and instead of saying why Thor wins you've spent 10 pages debating and failing at why Cap CANT win. You have no logic.

Haha literally everyone has seen otherwise and have made comments backing up exactly what I've been saying.

You're hurt because I ruthlessly poked holes in your terribly poorly thought out views on this fight.

I'm not hurt my friend this is fun, but it's nice to see you admit that you've done nothing.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
You have parroted back every claim on your lack of reason in this thread because you're so emotional over how bad you've been made to look you can't help yourself.

It's just amazing to witness.

What are you even talking about? Parroted back claims? You're speaking in tongues
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
Jeez us fucking Christ!! This isn't hard to figure out.

On average, Comic Cap = Elite Street-level. MCU Thor =Above Elite Street-level (even by comic book standards.)

Has Steve beaten folks outside his weight class? Yes. Has he done so for a majority of his appearances? No. That's why he's considered street level. He's not winning a majority here.

So are you saying that Cap can't win a majority against someone that isn't street level? That's basically what your logic is saying. Which doesn't make sense
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 24, 2017, 12:04:27 AM
Jeez us fucking Christ!! This isn't hard to figure out.

On average, Comic Cap = Elite Street-level. MCU Thor =Above Elite Street-level (even by comic book standards.)

Has Steve beaten folks outside his weight class? Yes. Has he done so for a majority of his appearances? No. That's why he's considered street level. He's not winning a majority here.

So are you saying that Cap can't win a majority against someone that isn't street level? That's basically what your logic is saying.

Someone on MCU Thor's level? No, he can't.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 24, 2017, 12:04:49 AM
You have parroted back every claim on your lack of reason in this thread because you're so emotional over how bad you've been made to look you can't help yourself.

It's just amazing to witness.

What are you even talking about? Parroted back claims?

One example of many.

Post #157.

You quoted me calling out your lack of coherent thought and within that response you say "nu huh, YOU lack coherent thought."

You've done this since my original claim that your premise was flawed.

You're emotional to a fault here and it's gone from funny to HoF worthy.

You'll soon be a legend.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:05:02 AM
What is MCU Thors level? For a comic equivalent?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:06:24 AM
You have parroted back every claim on your lack of reason in this thread because you're so emotional over how bad you've been made to look you can't help yourself.

It's just amazing to witness.

What are you even talking about? Parroted back claims?

One example of many.

Post #157.

You quoted me calling out your lack of coherent thought and within that response you say "nu huh, YOU lack coherent thought."

You've done this since my original claim that your premise was flawed.

You're emotional to a fault here and it's gone from funny to HoF worthy.

You'll soon be a legend.

Do you not understand the quote function?

Yea sounds legit, totally nailed it. Copy cat over here
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 24, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
You typed the words....in response.

This is one of the biggest meltdowns I've ever seen.

HoF this.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 12:11:54 AM
Dude you make no sense
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 24, 2017, 12:14:24 AM
You're so worked up you can't even follow basic lines of thought.

You're literally the only one that can't see what's happening in this thread.

You've done this to yourself and I thank you for it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 24, 2017, 12:32:21 AM
Gree is right in that there are differences in the way street levelers are written when they fight other streets vs when they fight mid tiers. I thought this was long established. It's kind of how people like Spider-Man and Cap can fight Daredevil one second then fight Namor and then fight people stronger even than that. Is that really not an established thing here anymore?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 02:45:18 AM
Gree is right in that there are differences in the way street levelers are written when they fight other streets vs when they fight mid tiers. I thought this was long established. It's kind of how people like Spider-Man and Cap can fight Daredevil one second then fight Namor and then fight people stronger even than that. Is that really not an established thing here anymore?

No one is disputing that elite street level characters can sometimes hang with the top tiers, but it's not a 100% guarantee that they'll win.  There are actually few solid wins from streets over top tiers and this includes Cap.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 24, 2017, 04:13:24 AM
Gree is right in that there are differences in the way street levelers are written when they fight other streets vs when they fight mid tiers. I thought this was long established. It's kind of how people like Spider-Man and Cap can fight Daredevil one second then fight Namor and then fight people stronger even than that. Is that really not an established thing here anymore?

No one is disputing that elite street level characters can sometimes hang with the top tiers, but it's not a 100% guarantee that they'll win.  There are actually few solid wins from streets over top tiers and this includes Cap.
I'm not saying that, though. For a start, I don't think movie Thor is top tier on average (I suspect that we'll need to agree to disagree there because I don't care enough to argue it lol. It is what it is). But really I'm only saying specifically what I said and I only said that because at least on the first page and what I read at the end here it seemed like people were outraged by the idea of Cap taking this being a legit possibility and people were also using "well he has tough fights with streets" as a way to dismiss the idea of him being able to take more superhuman opponents like movie Thor which doesn't gel with comics for the reason I listed: These characters are usually written different against streets than they are against stronger opponents. *shrug* I don't know who wins I just know that Cap would be written as being able to do this on some level.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Hulk Victorious on April 24, 2017, 05:11:00 AM
And then a scan of Cap doing nothing to Prof Hulk other than knocking him off balance.
and in the following fight Hulk crushed him even with Doc Samson helping, and proceeded to no sell Cap's attacks and one pressure point. Heck there was one panel where Hulk punched Cap away despite Cap blocking it with the shield. And Hulk wasn't even trying. Reminded me of berserk She Hulk breaking Cap's arm by slamming it with a car.
And he did jack shit to King Thor. And Asgardian trolls are class 30 and pretty much always been fodder. And every one of his fights with Hyde had context as far as I can remember.
And since Gree is intend on showing
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 24, 2017, 06:39:09 AM
Gree is very content to have his 10 examples in 60 years of Cap comics... even though half of those examples come with an asterisk and/or don't actually involve Cap winning.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Hulk Victorious on April 24, 2017, 07:11:28 AM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 07:33:54 AM
Gree is very content to have his 10 examples in 60 years of Cap comics... even though half of those examples come with an asterisk and/or don't actually involve Cap winning.

Yea you're right i totally listed every single example in his entire history against stronger foes. I'm fine with asterisks as some of these characters blow Thor out of the water, you realize this yes?

My argument stems from people acting like it would be ridiculous for Cap to win and that because he's an elite street for some reason he couldn't beat someone above his level. I'm no Cap expert and I'm surely missing a ton of battles.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Gree is right in that there are differences in the way street levelers are written when they fight other streets vs when they fight mid tiers. I thought this was long established. It's kind of how people like Spider-Man and Cap can fight Daredevil one second then fight Namor and then fight people stronger even than that. Is that really not an established thing here anymore?

No one is disputing that elite street level characters can sometimes hang with the top tiers, but it's not a 100% guarantee that they'll win.  There are actually few solid wins from streets over top tiers and this includes Cap.
I'm not saying that, though. For a start, I don't think movie Thor is top tier on average (I suspect that we'll need to agree to disagree there because I don't care enough to argue it lol. It is what it is). But really I'm only saying specifically what I said and I only said that because at least on the first page and what I read at the end here it seemed like people were outraged by the idea of Cap taking this being a legit possibility and people were also using "well he has tough fights with streets" as a way to dismiss the idea of him being able to take more superhuman opponents like movie Thor which doesn't gel with comics for the reason I listed: These characters are usually written different against streets than they are against stronger opponents. *shrug* I don't know who wins I just know that Cap would be written as being able to do this on some level.

100% agreed here
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 24, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
What the fuck has movie Thor ever done to place him on comic Thing's level?

Even talking overall power I need a lot of fucking convincing, and for strength I don't think it can be fucking done.

Jesus christ
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Strange on April 24, 2017, 10:24:12 AM
Agreed^.

A lot of weird claims on both ends in this here thread to be honest.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 11:03:36 AM
What the fuck has movie Thor ever done to place him on comic Thing's level?

Even talking overall power I need a lot of fucking convincing, and for strength I don't think it can be fucking done.

Jesus christ

Agreed
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 24, 2017, 11:12:03 AM
Cap s street level in raw power.  He's well beyond that in formidability.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: TURBODERP on April 24, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 24, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).
Cap has also had to be rescued by The Power Pack...the fucking POWER PACK...against Taskmaster.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 24, 2017, 12:45:41 PM
Of course, that also means Taskmaster got taken out by The Power Pack. You win some, you lose some. LOL
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on April 24, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

Yeah but comic Wolverine would maul movie Thor something fierce.


Cheers.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Strange on April 24, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).
Cap has also had to be rescued by The Power Pack...the fucking POWER PACK...against Taskmaster.

Whoa, hold up now. Power pack was legit doh.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: fangirl101 on April 24, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).
Cap has also had to be rescued by The Power Pack...the fucking POWER PACK...against Taskmaster.

Whoa, hold up now. Power pack was legit doh.
Yeah. They could kick ass when they felt like it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 01:09:39 PM
Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

Yeah but comic Wolverine would maul movie Thor something fierce.


Cheers.

My man
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 01:10:12 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

He also shockingly survived Gambig charging his costume which is nonsensical.

But again you can't compare apples and oranges, how he fights bricks and elite A list streets is a different story.

And Wolverine > Cap and would also brutalize Movie Thor
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Snake-eyes on April 24, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

He also shockingly survived Gambig charging his costume which is nonsensical.

But again you can't compare apples and oranges, how he fights bricks and elite A list streets is a different story.

And Wolverine > Cap and would also brutalize Movie Thor

Who is Gambig?

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: glutton on April 24, 2017, 02:17:21 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

He also shockingly survived Gambig charging his costume which is nonsensical.

But again you can't compare apples and oranges, how he fights bricks and elite A list streets is a different story.

And Wolverine > Cap and would also brutalize Movie Thor

Who is Gambig?

Come on, mon ami.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 02:40:03 PM
As Gree is going for Cap's highest highs without context, I'm gonna go for the opposite. Cap's been oneshotted by RS on two occasions, wrecked by Crossbones twice, got the shit beat out of him by Deadpool, was stalemated by Batroc and hurt his hand punching John Walker. In some more beleivable losses, he has lost to Protocide, Thunderball and several others.

Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

He also shockingly survived Gambig charging his costume which is nonsensical.

But again you can't compare apples and oranges, how he fights bricks and elite A list streets is a different story.

And Wolverine > Cap and would also brutalize Movie Thor

Who is Gambig?



Italian Gambino Gambit
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: TURBODERP on April 24, 2017, 06:42:08 PM
Hell, in AvX, Cap was on the losing end versus Wolverine (the Giant-Man assist got Wolverine out of the jet, but Cap was going to get put down, and had his shield disarmed to boot).

Yeah but comic Wolverine would maul movie Thor something fierce.


Cheers.

Oh yea, but that's not really my point I guess-it's more "Cap's ability to occasionally hang with high tiers doesn't mean he's stomping street level opponents like he should if he were capable of beating top tiers consistently with skill/the shield"
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
Apples and oranges, again.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 24, 2017, 07:47:42 PM
Cause honestly, to me, I think comic Cap probably kicks the shit out of movie Thor

That's my initial inclination.

I fucking hate these 10 year old discussions being a fucking thing again. I'm specifically referring to "what I've seen in motion" vs "what I've seen in print"

Movie Thor gets Thing level because...why in the fuck?

Remember when everyone thought the Watchmen movie characters were drastically more superhuman? Jesus

I haven't combed through this thread, so maybe the pro Cap people are being just as stupid, but fuuuuuck me
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Ditto on April 24, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Oranges come from the paper universe, you can't compare them to apples. Everyone knows that.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: TURBODERP on April 24, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

eh that scene was a bit ambiguous

Tony was right under it and basically fine, and the blast seemed like it wasn't a standard explosion so much as a magic disintegration thing that broke the city into small bits because "vibranium vibrated it to pieces" or something

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

eh that scene was a bit ambiguous

Tony was right under it and basically fine, and the blast seemed like it wasn't a standard explosion so much as a magic disintegration thing that broke the city into small bits because "vibranium vibrated it to pieces" or something

Tony was under the foundation of the city so he had a buffer.  Thor was literally standing over the bomb.  And it was very much a standard explosion.  It was meant to serve as an Earth-exploding asteroid once dropped from orbit.  They had ot bust it before it reached that point.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

He also actively dodged gunfire though, can't look at one showing again.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Uhtceare on April 24, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Didn't Iron Man do some sort of mad scientist stuff that made the explosion completely disintegrate the city instead of exploding it like a bomb?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 24, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
After fighting Ultron, Destroyer, Kurse, Hulk, Malekith, and soon Hela, how do people think Cap will win?

This is also a Thor who will try to electrocute him, knows how to fight, is extremely durable, and will also not hesitate to just smash the ground into pieces and zap Cap when he gets launched.

Thor dodged gunfire when he didn't know what a gun was, and had been getting injured by Earth tech the entire time he was unworthy. In AoU when Ultron did the strafing run, Thor got hit full on and was fine.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 08:43:00 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

eh that scene was a bit ambiguous

Tony was right under it and basically fine, and the blast seemed like it wasn't a standard explosion so much as a magic disintegration thing that broke the city into small bits because "vibranium vibrated it to pieces" or something

Tony was under the foundation of the city so he had a buffer.  Thor was literally standing over the bomb.  And it was very much a standard explosion.  It was meant to serve as an Earth-exploding asteroid once dropped from orbit.  They had ot bust it before it reached that point.

Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
Cause honestly, to me, I think comic Cap probably kicks the shit out of movie Thor

That's my initial inclination.

I fucking hate these 10 year old discussions being a fucking thing again. I'm specifically referring to "what I've seen in motion" vs "what I've seen in print"

Movie Thor gets Thing level because...why in the fuck?

Remember when everyone thought the Watchmen movie characters were drastically more superhuman? Jesus

I haven't combed through this thread, so maybe the pro Cap people are being just as stupid, but fuuuuuck me

Agreed
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 08:46:32 PM
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

He also actively dodged gunfire though, can't look at one showing again.

And we know for a fact that Asgardians are bulletproof.  In that same movie, Loki was shown to be bulletproof.  In SHIELD, we saw Sif being bulletproof as well.

Dodging gunfire doesn't mean he's vulnerable to it.

Oh, and Thor himself got hit by quinjet gunfire in AoU, so we know he's bulletproof for certain.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 24, 2017, 08:53:07 PM
In addition to what AP has said, Thor was strong enough to casually knock a car down the street into a bunch of chitauri, taking them out.

So are we saying Cap generally beats guys on that level? Like, he wins more often than not?

Also, MCU Thor has a shorter temper than his comic version.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
Also, does a character honestly have to be top tier to win a majority against Cap?  That seems to be where this is going and that's a fucked up idea.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 10:18:38 PM
No but it's also a fucked up idea that Cap can't win a majority against someone that isn't street level.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
In addition to what AP has said, Thor was strong enough to casually knock a car down the street into a bunch of chitauri, taking them out.

So are we saying Cap generally beats guys on that level? Like, he wins more often than not?

Also, MCU Thor has a shorter temper than his comic version.

Fists or hammer?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 24, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.

Not when the whole scene is nebulous. What do we have that cements that Thor was actually exposed to the blast? Genuinely curious. Odd for them to not mention it at all or show any effect on Thor right? I'm actually asking I don't remember
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 24, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
In addition to what AP has said, Thor was strong enough to casually knock a car down the street into a bunch of chitauri, taking them out.

So are we saying Cap generally beats guys on that level? Like, he wins more often than not?

Also, MCU Thor has a shorter temper than his comic version.

Fists or hammer?

I believe he used Mjolnir. But Lady Sif, who is waaaaay weaker than Thor kicked a trailer sideways down the street so yeah, no point in asking.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 24, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

eh that scene was a bit ambiguous

Tony was right under it and basically fine, and the blast seemed like it wasn't a standard explosion so much as a magic disintegration thing that broke the city into small bits because "vibranium vibrated it to pieces" or something

Tony was under the foundation of the city so he had a buffer.  Thor was literally standing over the bomb.  And it was very much a standard explosion.  It was meant to serve as an Earth-exploding asteroid once dropped from orbit.  They had ot bust it before it reached that point.
Uhhhhhhh you just explained why that explosion wasn't a big deal
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.

Not when the whole scene is nebulous. What do we have that cements that Thor was actually exposed to the blast? Genuinely curious. Odd for them to not mention it at all or show any effect on Thor right? I'm actually asking I don't remember

He was the one who set off the explosion by hitting the bomb.  He was ground zero.  In fact, Tony asked him to be the one to set it off, presumably because he was the only Avenger who could survive the blast.  After the explosion, we see him falling into the water with no damage to his costume that I could see.  His costume was also unharmed in the Bifrost explosion.  I see it no different than when Superman's cape never gets shredded or how Hulk's pants always stay on while his shirt rips.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 10:34:14 PM
I don't know if Thor is class 100, but he's obviously top tier.  You don't take an exploding city in the face without a scratch and not be a top tier.  I can't see Thing tanking that.

eh that scene was a bit ambiguous

Tony was right under it and basically fine, and the blast seemed like it wasn't a standard explosion so much as a magic disintegration thing that broke the city into small bits because "vibranium vibrated it to pieces" or something

Tony was under the foundation of the city so he had a buffer.  Thor was literally standing over the bomb.  And it was very much a standard explosion.  It was meant to serve as an Earth-exploding asteroid once dropped from orbit.  They had ot bust it before it reached that point.
Uhhhhhhh you just explained why that explosion wasn't a big deal

Not really.  There were miles of rock between him and the explosion, which was contained in the city.  The blast still blasted the rocks apart, but he didn't take the brunt of the explosion.  Thor was topside where we see buildings getting vaporized.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 10:39:12 PM
In addition to what AP has said, Thor was strong enough to casually knock a car down the street into a bunch of chitauri, taking them out.

So are we saying Cap generally beats guys on that level? Like, he wins more often than not?

Also, MCU Thor has a shorter temper than his comic version.

Fists or hammer?

I believe he used Mjolnir. But Lady Sif, who is waaaaay weaker than Thor kicked a trailer sideways down the street so yeah, no point in asking.

He used the hammer, but that shouldn't matter.  The only way the car would be sent through the air would be if he had the muscle to do so.  Also, he picked up a car in AoU when people were falling off the building.  Also, while it's a deleted scene, Volstagg picked up a car in the first Thor movie.

Is it seriously a question if Thor is strong enough to pick up a 3 ton car?  Sheesh!
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 24, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.

Not when the whole scene is nebulous. What do we have that cements that Thor was actually exposed to the blast? Genuinely curious. Odd for them to not mention it at all or show any effect on Thor right? I'm actually asking I don't remember

He was the one who set off the explosion by hitting the bomb.  He was ground zero.  In fact, Tony asked him to be the one to set it off, presumably because he was the only Avenger who could survive the blast.  After the explosion, we see him falling into the water with no damage to his costume that I could see.  His costume was also unharmed in the Bifrost explosion.  I see it no different than when Superman's cape never gets shredded or how Hulk's pants always stay on while his shirt rips.
Not really. Friday said that the blast would vaporize everyone.

FRIDAY: The anti-gravs are rigged to flip.Touch them, they'll go full reverse thrust.
The city's not coming down slow.
STark : Spire is vibranium.If I get Thor to hit it...
FRIDAY : It will crack. That's not enough.The impact would still be devastating.
STARK: Maybe if we can cap the other end. Keep the atomic action doubling back.
FRIDAY: That could vaporise the city & everyone on it..
STARK : I got it. Create a heat seal.I could...I could supercharge the spire from below.
FRIDAY Running numbers
FRIDAY : A heat seal could work with enough power.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 11:35:39 PM
That... doesn't contradict what I just said.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 24, 2017, 11:42:28 PM
That... doesn't contradict what I just said.
You said he chose Thor because presumably he could tank the blast when it was stated that the blast would vaporize everyone.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 24, 2017, 11:49:10 PM
That... doesn't contradict what I just said.
You said he chose Thor because presumably he could tank the blast when it was stated that the blast would vaporize everyone.

When Friday said "vaporize everyone", she was referring to the citizens and most of the Avengers.  He still made it a point to send Thor to that area.  This would be because he knew Thor would survive the blast.  I see no other reason to have Thor there instead of, say, Vision or War Machine.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 12:27:45 AM
I wasn't aware everyone means "everyone except Thor".
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 25, 2017, 12:43:30 AM
I wasn't aware everyone means "everyone except Thor".

If not, then she was wrong anyway as we see Thor taking that explosion.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 01:13:36 AM
I wasn't aware everyone means "everyone except Thor".

If not, then she was wrong anyway as we see Thor taking that explosion.
Did we? Did you even read the dialog? Tony used a heat seal to shield Thor.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfmmp_Kjek

That's why Tony fires an energy beam just before Thor hits the spire and asks Thor to hit it "on my mark". And even Tony survives getting caught in the blast.

And why the city just falls apart instead of getting vaporized.

What do you think Tony was doing there?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 25, 2017, 01:59:20 AM
I used ot think you were just delusional about DC characters, but you're just generally off in your own world, aren't you?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Snake-eyes on April 25, 2017, 02:13:08 AM
I used ot think you were just delusional about DC characters, but you're just generally off in your own world, aren't you?

Let's put it this way, abhi is considered right up there with quan in terms of bias by the KMC mods.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 03:36:21 AM
I used ot think you were just delusional about DC characters, but you're just generally off in your own world, aren't you?
Ooh, the quanchi tactics of antagonizing when unable to prove something.

I will take your concession that you were just not able to read and follow a pretty simple movie scene.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 03:37:02 AM
I used ot think you were just delusional about DC characters, but you're just generally off in your own world, aren't you?

Let's put it this way, abhi is considered right up there with quan in terms of bias by the KMC mods.
And here comes the cheerleader.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Ditto on April 25, 2017, 06:26:11 AM
He somehow protected Thor (who was obviously hit by something,  unless you think swinging his hammer once knocked him into the body of water) but we see the blast wiping out everything around him? Makes sense.

Superman physically shifted those tectonic plates,  doe.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 25, 2017, 12:17:25 PM
Tony tells Thor this. Luke be a suicide mission. Thor still accepts and is KOed by the blast.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 12:18:17 PM
He somehow protected Thor (who was obviously hit by something,  unless you think swinging his hammer once knocked him into the body of water) but we see the blast wiping out everything around him? Makes sense.


He is hit by the backlash of the Shockwave from mjolnir hitting vibranium just like he was sent flying after hitting Cap's shield in the first Avengers movie.
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Superman physically shifted those tectonic plates,  doe.
There is no dialog in the movie contradicting the very same thing.

But sure, Iron Man was just bullshitting and only MCU fans know what a city buster Thor is.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 25, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
And Tony had to dodge the explosion from the below. Are you guys fucking kidding? The city exploding is the definition of unambiguous. Thor survived the explosion point blank. Stark helped set off the chain reaction from underneath. He didn't shield Thor in any way.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 25, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.

Not when the whole scene is nebulous. What do we have that cements that Thor was actually exposed to the blast? Genuinely curious. Odd for them to not mention it at all or show any effect on Thor right? I'm actually asking I don't remember

He was the one who set off the explosion by hitting the bomb.  He was ground zero.  In fact, Tony asked him to be the one to set it off, presumably because he was the only Avenger who could survive the blast.  After the explosion, we see him falling into the water with no damage to his costume that I could see.  His costume was also unharmed in the Bifrost explosion.  I see it no different than when Superman's cape never gets shredded or how Hulk's pants always stay on while his shirt rips.
Not really. Friday said that the blast would vaporize everyone.

FRIDAY: The anti-gravs are rigged to flip.Touch them, they'll go full reverse thrust.
The city's not coming down slow.
STark : Spire is vibranium.If I get Thor to hit it...
FRIDAY : It will crack. That's not enough.The impact would still be devastating.
STARK: Maybe if we can cap the other end. Keep the atomic action doubling back.
FRIDAY: That could vaporise the city & everyone on it..
STARK : I got it. Create a heat seal.I could...I could supercharge the spire from below.
FRIDAY Running numbers
FRIDAY : A heat seal could work with enough power.


You left out A LOT in that interaction.

The heat seal was meant as a way to keep the energy doubling back. It wasn't a shield, but a SEAL to hold the energy in and make the blast big enough to blow the rock up. Jeezus...
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Snake-eyes on April 25, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
And Tony had to dodge the explosion from the below. Are you guys fucking kidding? The city exploring is the definition of unambiguous. Thor survived the explosion point blank. Stark helped set off the chain reaction from underneath. He didn't shield Thor in any way.

Even other Superman fans agree that abhi is just a troll, here is a comment from one of KMC's mods(and Superman fan)
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We all know it's a bait thread because you're the Quarver of DC. I only left it open this long to see if anything actually came from it. Not gonna happen it seems.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
And Tony had to dodge the explosion from the below. Are you guys fucking kidding? The city exploding is the definition of unambiguous. Thor survived the explosion point blank. Stark helped set off the chain reaction from underneath. He didn't shield Thor in any way.
Tony was caught in the Shockwave of the blast.

Of course he was. Otherwise he would have been vaporized.
Did Thor even look like he'd been exposed to an explosion, torn clothes, cape, hair or everything?

Pretty standard superhero stuff.  In movies, comics, TV shows, etc. when Superman or Thor go through an explosion, they rarely even get dirty.

Not when the whole scene is nebulous. What do we have that cements that Thor was actually exposed to the blast? Genuinely curious. Odd for them to not mention it at all or show any effect on Thor right? I'm actually asking I don't remember

He was the one who set off the explosion by hitting the bomb.  He was ground zero.  In fact, Tony asked him to be the one to set it off, presumably because he was the only Avenger who could survive the blast.  After the explosion, we see him falling into the water with no damage to his costume that I could see.  His costume was also unharmed in the Bifrost explosion.  I see it no different than when Superman's cape never gets shredded or how Hulk's pants always stay on while his shirt rips.
Not really. Friday said that the blast would vaporize everyone.

FRIDAY: The anti-gravs are rigged to flip.Touch them, they'll go full reverse thrust.
The city's not coming down slow.
STark : Spire is vibranium.If I get Thor to hit it...
FRIDAY : It will crack. That's not enough.The impact would still be devastating.
STARK: Maybe if we can cap the other end. Keep the atomic action doubling back.
FRIDAY: That could vaporise the city & everyone on it..
STARK : I got it. Create a heat seal.I could...I could supercharge the spire from below.
FRIDAY Running numbers
FRIDAY : A heat seal could work with enough power.


You left out A LOT in that interaction.

The heat seal was meant as a way to keep the energy doubling back. It wasn't a shield, but a SEAL to hold the energy in and make the blast big enough to blow the rock up. Jeezus...
Uh, you know that's exactly what I said? The shield kept the energy trapped hence only the city got blown apart and not killed Thor in the process.

I mean did you forget the part where the attack would've vaporized everyone and the city completely if not checked in?
And Tony had to dodge the explosion from the below. Are you guys fucking kidding? The city exploring is the definition of unambiguous. Thor survived the explosion point blank. Stark helped set off the chain reaction from underneath. He didn't shield Thor in any way.

Even other Superman fans agree that abhi is just a troll, here is a comment from one of KMC's mods(and Superman fan)
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We all know it's a bait thread because you're the Quarver of DC. I only left it open this long to see if anything actually came from it. Not gonna happen it seems.
I used ot think you were just delusional about DC characters, but you're just generally off in your own world, aren't you?

Let's put it this way, abhi is considered right up there with quan in terms of bias by the KMC mods.
And here comes the cheerleader.

Never change snake eyes.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 25, 2017, 01:26:20 PM
Uh, you know that's exactly what I said? The shield kept the energy trapped hence only the city got blown apart and not killed Thor in the process.

I mean did you forget the part where the attack would've vaporized everyone and the city completely if not checked in?

No, that's NOT what the seal was for. They had already evacuated everyone when Tony came up with the idea (which is why leaving out the entire exchange matters.) The seal wasn't meant to protect anyone but to keep the energy cycling back on itself until it built up enough force to blow. The explosion still hit Thor full blast.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 25, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
Uh, you know that's exactly what I said? The shield kept the energy trapped hence only the city got blown apart and not killed Thor in the process.

I mean did you forget the part where the attack would've vaporized everyone and the city completely if not checked in?

No, that's NOT what the seal was for. They had already evacuated everyone when Tony came up with the idea (which is why leaving out the entire exchange matters.) The seal wasn't meant to protect anyone but to keep the energy cycling back on itself until it built up enough force to blow. The explosion still hit Thor full blast.
Uh, the last ship to evacuate was when the city actually started falling.

Except it was directly stated to protect otherwise "it will vaporize the city and everyone on it".

Neither the city or anyone else was vaporized. Ergo, they were shielded.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 12:48:53 AM
The city was vaporized.  What do you think was happening to those buildings where disappearing under the big blue ball of energy?  And everyone was evacuated by that point.  The only person in the city was Thor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 26, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
The city was vaporized.  What do you think was happening to those buildings where disappearing under the big blue ball of energy?  And everyone was evacuated by that point.  The only person in the city was Thor.
Even the spire Thor hit was intact and Tony had to dodge it in the last scene of that clip. The vibranium was the only thing that was keeping the city together and as soon as it was destroyed, the city simply fell apart.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_QMlQHlXk

And evacuation hadn't even begun when Friday made the comment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAkEQxPjPs

I suggest you watch the movie one more time to at least get the timeline correct if you can't understand the plot.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 26, 2017, 01:50:28 AM
OK, one mistake from my end. Friday didn't say that the blast would "vaporize everyone" as I checked the video again but only the city.

However that didn't happen so the blast was contained by the heat shield.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 01:53:40 AM
The city was vaporized.  What do you think was happening to those buildings where disappearing under the big blue ball of energy?  And everyone was evacuated by that point.  The only person in the city was Thor.
Even the spire Thor hit was intact and Tony had to dodge it in the last scene of that clip. The vibranium was the only thing that was keeping the city together and as soon as it was destroyed, the city simply fell apart.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_QMlQHlXk

And evacuation hadn't even begun when Friday made the comment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAkEQxPjPs

I suggest you watch the movie one more time to at least get the timeline correct if you can't understand the plot.

That spire you mentioned was made of vibranium.

And if the city "simply fell apart", what was with the giant ball of energy?  Why were chunks of rocks flying out as if they were being expelled by some sort of explosion?  Why was Thor blown back?  Why were the buildings disappearing as if they were being blown apart?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 26, 2017, 04:45:26 AM
Have you checked what happened when Thor hit Cap's shield?

The vibranium amplified his strikes and the Shockwave kept doubling back. That's what the energy wave was.

You're acting like a single blast of energy destroyed the city. It was a chain reaction.

Seriously, how many times does that need to be explained?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 05:06:00 AM
Have you checked what happened when Thor hit Cap's shield?

The vibranium amplified his strikes and the Shockwave kept doubling back. That's what the energy wave was.

You're acting like a single blast of energy destroyed the city. It was a chain reaction.

Seriously, how many times does that need to be explained?

You realize you are the only person who thinks this, right?  Even the Cap side understands that he took a city-wide explosion.  I'm just letting you know you are alone in this part of the debate.

But fine, let's humor you for a second...

You now say the shockwave was Thor's doing?  Okay, then we're looking at a guy who can bust an entire city AND take that same city-busting shockwave without a scratch.  That places him very much in the top tier range.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 26, 2017, 06:29:07 AM
The city was vaporized.  What do you think was happening to those buildings where disappearing under the big blue ball of energy?  And everyone was evacuated by that point.  The only person in the city was Thor.
Even the spire Thor hit was intact and Tony had to dodge it in the last scene of that clip. The vibranium was the only thing that was keeping the city together and as soon as it was destroyed, the city simply fell apart.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_QMlQHlXk

And evacuation hadn't even begun when Friday made the comment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAkEQxPjPs

I suggest you watch the movie one more time to at least get the timeline correct if you can't understand the plot.

The spire was the vibranium core, you doof.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 26, 2017, 08:03:10 AM
Have you checked what happened when Thor hit Cap's shield?

The vibranium amplified his strikes and the Shockwave kept doubling back. That's what the energy wave was.

You're acting like a single blast of energy destroyed the city. It was a chain reaction.

Seriously, how many times does that need to be explained?

You realize you are the only person who thinks this, right?  Even the Cap side understands that he took a city-wide explosion.  I'm just letting you know you are alone in this part of the debate.


Meh, I don't care how many Internet strangers are with or against me. Never did.
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But fine, let's humor you for a second...

You now say the shockwave was Thor's doing?  Okay, then we're looking at a guy who can bust an entire city AND take that same city-busting shockwave without a scratch.  That places him very much in the top tier range.
Except Thor doesn't creates shockwaves on his own of that magnitude. That's why Tony had to keep it capped and turning back on itself.

I'm not sure if you know anything about wave theory. Look it on Google and come back.
The city was vaporized.  What do you think was happening to those buildings where disappearing under the big blue ball of energy?  And everyone was evacuated by that point.  The only person in the city was Thor.
Even the spire Thor hit was intact and Tony had to dodge it in the last scene of that clip. The vibranium was the only thing that was keeping the city together and as soon as it was destroyed, the city simply fell apart.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_QMlQHlXk

And evacuation hadn't even begun when Friday made the comment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAkEQxPjPs

I suggest you watch the movie one more time to at least get the timeline correct if you can't understand the plot.

The spire was the vibranium core, you doof.
And even that was not destroyed. Some city busting explosion, eh?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 08:07:06 AM
The core wasn't destroyed because vibranium is basically indestructible, genius. That doesn't take away from the blast intensity.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 08:11:36 AM
There's a reason why I've tried to ignore Abhi in the past.  He just pulls you in with his stupidity.  I learned my lesson trying to engage him in this thread.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Kallor on April 26, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
The abhi's of the board are thread killing cancers.  The shit will go on for pages but it's just them, with all actual discussion stifled.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Abhilegend on April 26, 2017, 01:43:12 PM
The core wasn't destroyed because vibranium is basically indestructible, genius. That doesn't take away from the blast intensity.
The city getting vaporized leaves a lot of debris too?

Because there was a surprising size of debris there.
There's a reason why I've tried to ignore Abhi in the past.  He just pulls you in with his stupidity.  I learned my lesson trying to engage him in this thread.
It's better to not say anything after getting beaten in an argument.

You just look petty after calling out "he an idiot m8".
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
The core wasn't destroyed because vibranium is basically indestructible, genius. That doesn't take away from the blast intensity.
The city getting vaporized leaves a lot of debris too?

Because there was a surprising size of debris there.

You're taking the word 'vaporize' a bit too literally. The city was destroyed by an explosion. The explosion happened because the seal bottled up the energy (produced by Thor hitting the core) until it was too much. Thor was at the heart of this explosion. There was no protection being offered to him.

Tony thought up the heat seal to use as a plug not a shield.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on April 26, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
Lol, AOU is basically an all ages movie. Children are meant to be able to follow along. How is this confusing? This isn't rocket science. Falling city was about to wipe out life on Earth. This is bad. Iron Man traps energy to destroy city, good plan. Thor hits city very hard. City explodes into harmless tiny chunks (Relative to the actual size of the falling Sokovia) with Thor in the epicenter and Iron Man below.

I think Thor should wreck him. Movie Captain America is as close to a comic book character's power levels being translated onscreen as I've ever seen and he isn't even able to hurt Thor (I remember his shield harmlessly bouncing off of Thor's forehead in the forest scene). Thor's durable enough to laugh off his attacks (Or at least tank them just fine), relatively skilled and still powerful enough to completely blow Captain America away with AOE attacks if he tries to hide behind his shield or bombard him with lighting.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 02:52:51 PM
Lol, AOU is basically an all ages movie. Children are meant to be able to follow along.

Apparently, children must now Google Wave theory before watching a Disney film.

Also Abhi seems to think the city was shielded, too. You know, the thing they were TRYING to blow up.

Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.

Can Cap beat any of them for a majority, do you think?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on April 26, 2017, 02:59:13 PM
Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.

This post is all kinds of terrible.

I didn't know the bar for beating Captain America was that you have to be superior to Hercules or Hulk (Hyde fluctuates significantly and at this point, I would put movie Thor above some Hyde portrayals I've seen).

By that logic, comic Captain America beats MOS Superman as well, but you disagree with that strongly I take it?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 03:05:40 PM
Cap is mid tier now.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 26, 2017, 03:12:58 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 03:23:43 PM
Lol, AOU is basically an all ages movie. Children are meant to be able to follow along.

Apparently, children must now Google Wave theory before watching a Disney film.

Also Abhi seems to think the city was shielded, too. You know, the thing they were TRYING to blow up.

Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.

Can Cap beat any of them for a majority, do you think?
He doesn't have to, is the point.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 03:25:02 PM
Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.

This post is all kinds of terrible.

I didn't know the bar for beating Captain America was that you have to be superior to Hercules or Hulk (Hyde fluctuates significantly and at this point, I would put movie Thor above some Hyde portrayals I've seen).

By that logic, comic Captain America beats MOS Superman as well, but you disagree with that strongly I take it?
Superman isn't a small god from a small world. Continue to cry about it.

Cap is taking 5/10 at minimum against movie Thor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 03:26:46 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

Been saying this for a hot minute fam.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...
Spidey and Logan are also street level. And?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 26, 2017, 03:43:37 PM
Lol, AOU is basically an all ages movie. Children are meant to be able to follow along. How is this confusing? This isn't rocket science. Falling city was about to wipe out life on Earth. This is bad. Iron Man traps energy to destroy city, good plan. Thor hits city very hard. City explodes into harmless tiny chunks (Relative to the actual size of the falling Sokovia) with Thor in the epicenter and Iron Man below.

I think Thor should wreck him. Movie Captain America is as close to a comic book character's power levels being translated onscreen as I've ever seen and he isn't even able to hurt Thor (I remember his shield harmlessly bouncing off of Thor's forehead in the forest scene). Thor's durable enough to laugh off his attacks (Or at least tank them just fine), relatively skilled and still powerful enough to completely blow Captain America away with AOE attacks if he tries to hide behind his shield or bombard him with lighting.
"relatively skilled" in a real world sense (or even comic book) means absolutely sweet dick all against an A-list comic book martial artists. About the same as movie Thor having the movie shield ricochet off his noggin when thrown by movie Cap

Emphaais on movie

And while based on purely physical feats, movie Cap might mirror comic book Cap fairly well, movie Cap has nothing like comic Cap's ability to punch way the fuck out of his weight class

I think movie Thor's only chance is AoE and lightning bombardment, but there's always the shield on that front
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on April 26, 2017, 05:39:15 PM
Movie Thor isn't above comic Hyde, Hercules or Hulk.

This post is all kinds of terrible.

I didn't know the bar for beating Captain America was that you have to be superior to Hercules or Hulk (Hyde fluctuates significantly and at this point, I would put movie Thor above some Hyde portrayals I've seen).

By that logic, comic Captain America beats MOS Superman as well, but you disagree with that strongly I take it?
Superman isn't a small god from a small world. Continue to cry about it.

Cap is taking 5/10 at minimum against movie Thor.

MOS Superman can beat comic Hercules and Hulk iyo?

Disagree.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't take "outside" of their class for a majority?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 26, 2017, 07:38:28 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

People are people, so why should it be /
You and I should get along so awfully
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 07:40:51 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.

Movie Thor is a mid tier though. He isn't beating comic Thing or Extremis Ironman, Ms. Marvel, etc.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Panthergod on April 26, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.
Movie Thor isn't a comic top tier.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.

Movie Thor is a mid tier though. He isn't beating comic Thing or Extremis Ironman, Ms. Marvel, etc.

You have yet to really explain why you think he's mid-tier.  I get the argument that he might not be class 100, but he has displayed at least one top-tier feat in every movie he's been in so far whether it's an attack or a display of durability.  I would absolutely give him odds over comic Thing.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.

Movie Thor is a mid tier though. He isn't beating comic Thing or Extremis Ironman, Ms. Marvel, etc.

You have yet to really explain why you think he's mid-tier.  I get the argument that he might not be class 100, but he has displayed at least one top-tier feat in every movie he's been in so far whether it's an attack or a display of durability.  I would absolutely give him odds over comic Thing.

One top tier feat does not make you a top tier. They are orders below comic top tiers in terms of power. Comic Ironman isn't considered top tier.

What has happened to people here?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 08:06:52 PM
You don't read every word of a post, either that or you have trouble reading period.

AP specifically says "one top tier feat in every movie he's been in so far"

That would be four movies.

Thor 1 & 2
Avengers 1 & 2

That's a total of how many feats Gree?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 09:05:29 PM
We got a comedian folks
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 09:15:40 PM
Haha

"One top tier feat does not make you a top tier"

There are 4 feats. In 4 appearances.

That's pretty consistent. The fact that you very clearly turned 4 feats into 1 feat is pretty ridiculous.

And yet here you are, unable to admit even that.

Indeed, what is happening to people in this thread.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Totally nailing it. Poster of the year here guys
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 09:25:03 PM
Haha this is the best part about this thread.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
Jook's blunt, but he has a point.  I did say at least one per movie.

Thor

-Collapsing a canyon range with one hammer strike in Jotunheim.
-Pretty casually sucking the Destroyer up into a tornado and forcing its own blast into its face (said blasts being enough to blow up buildings).
-Taking the Bifrost Bridge explosion without a mark to show for it.  It was already toppling mountains at that point and was said to eventually be powerful enough to destroy that entire world if left open too long.

Avengers

-Easily kicking the crap out of Iron Man despite Tony being at 400% power.
-Taking shots from an enraged Hulk with nothing but a bloody nose.  He even smiled a little about it.
-Destroying two Leviathans with his lightning when Iron Man couldn't get through one with his laser.

Dark World

-Laughing off energy blasts from the Aether.

Age of Ultron

- Purposefully took a beating from Ultron, who was made of vibranium at that point, and wasn't really harmed by any of it.
- The Sokovia explosion.


And while these next few things aren't top-tier worthy, they are certainly high end mid-tier.

Thor
- Pretty casually stood his ground and slaughtered several Frost Giants, even going so far as to allow one to attack, then laughed it off as it had little affect.  He even threw his hammer hard enough to put it through the chests of about 4-5 of them in a row.
- Shot straight through the giant monster's head like a bullet despite the monster previously chasing a group of Asgardian warriors.
- Allowed Loki to give him several free shots, including getting blasted out of a tower by Odin's spear, because he didn't want to fight his brother and wasn't concerned about his attacks hurting him in any way.

Avengers
- Was pretty casual about Iron Man tackling him off a cliff as he didn't retaliate right away, he just got up and told him not to touch him again.  It was as if he got shoved by a dude at a bar.  Even when Tony got a 400% power increase and they started fighting, Thor took repeated repulsor blasts, punches, and smashes into cliffs and trees without a scratch.
- The only Avenger in the climax not to get hurt in any way.  Even Hulk got pinned down by glider fire for a few seconds.

Dark World
- Casually fighting his way through monsters, Asgardians, and Elves with no trouble, even out muscling entire groups of them at once.  We know Asgardians can toss around cars and the elves and monsters seemed to be on par with that.
- Not-Korg casually flung an Asgadian warrior out of his way with a flick of his club while he approached Thor.  By everyone's reaction, he was obviously the strongest thing on the battlefield besides Thor and he still ended up getting killed in one shot.

Age of Ultron
- Right after Vision was born, he attacked Thor who grabbed him and tossed him aside pretty easily.  We know Vision can wrestle with Ultron, so he was decently strong to begin with.
- Flipped a tank into the air at the Hydra base. (I'm not referring to when he and Cap took out a few tanks and stuff, mind you.  Earlie rin that fight, he flipped a tank under his own power and it was caught by Hulk.)
- Only stumbled back a bit when Quicksilver took a shot at him.  QS was sending Cap flying with his hits.
- Took bullets from the Quinjet when Ultron was piloting it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
Totally nailing it. Poster of the year here guys

Hahahaha. For shits and giggles.

Are you saying that I'm inaccurate in my assessment?

Your entire point hinged on one top tier feat not making a character a top tier.

When called out on your error you avoided answering altogether.

Is being corrected, called out or wrong so devastating to you that you cannot deal with it?

It certainly seems that way.

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:07:17 PM
You totes got it
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 10:08:30 PM
Hahahaha amazing. Gree is shattering before our very eyes.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:12:02 PM
Jook's blunt, but he has a point.  I did say at least one per movie.

Thor

-Collapsing a canyon range with one hammer strike in Jotunheim
Legit but not personal power

[/b]-Pretty casually sucking the Destroyer up into a tornado and forcing its own blast into its face (said blasts being enough to blow up buildings).[/b]
Not top tier

-Taking the Bifrost Bridge explosion without a mark to show for it.  It was already toppling mountains at that point and was said to eventually be powerful enough to destroy that entire world if left open too long.
Possible but nebulous

Avengers

-Easily kicking the crap out of Iron Man despite Tony being at 400% power.
Not top tier
-Taking shots from an enraged Hulk with nothing but a bloody nose.  He even smiled a little about it.
Not top tier
Destroying two Leviathans with his lightning when Iron Man couldn't get through one with his laser.
Not top tier


Do I really have to go on? None of the stuff you mentioned is above Ms. Marvel

Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 26, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
You're totally going to die on this hill. Might as well make it count, I guess.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
You're totally going to die on this hill. Might as well make it count, I guess.

Please explain to me how movie Thor > comic Ms. Marvel, Thing and Ironman.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 10:21:31 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

Now it's one feat per film.

Member when you said it was only one feat, period, and had a whole post dedicated to that numeration?

I member.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:23:06 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

Now it's one feat per film.

Member when you said it was only one feat, period, and had a whole post dedicated to that numeration?

I member.

Hahaha. Please continue
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 26, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
You're totally going to die on this hill. Might as well make it count, I guess.

Please explain to me how movie Thor > comic Ms. Marvel, Thing and Ironman.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

In a thread about movie Thor vs comic book Captain America, hundreds of posts deep, you're going off on tangents about other characters because your "Captain America wrecks him" arguments were thoroughly destroyed a long time ago.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 10:33:06 PM

-Collapsing a canyon range with one hammer strike in Jotunheim
Legit but not personal power

Wait, what?  Thor used his hammer.  How was that not personal power?

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-Pretty casually sucking the Destroyer up into a tornado and forcing its own blast into its face (said blasts being enough to blow up buildings).
Not top tier

It's about the ease in which he was doing it.  Despite being a major weapon in Odin's vault that was unstoppable when facing SHIELD, Asgardians, and Frost Giants, Thor just ends it in a few seconds without even remotely struggling.  Can we at least agree it was impressive.

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-Taking the Bifrost Bridge explosion without a mark to show for it.  It was already toppling mountains at that point and was said to eventually be powerful enough to destroy that entire world if left open too long.
Possible but nebulous
We know that thing was busting mountains at that point and it exploded in Thor's face.  At the very least, we have Thor tanking an explosion that should be enough to knock down a mountain.  Even someone like the Thing would be in some amount of pain from that.

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-Easily kicking the crap out of Iron Man despite Tony being at 400% power.
Not top tier
What, you don't consider Iron Man mid-tier?

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-Taking shots from an enraged Hulk with nothing but a bloody nose.  He even smiled a little about it.
Not top tier
Hulk is, at the very least, on the level of comic Thing.  He killed the Leviathan with one punch and those guys were the size of a skyscraper.  Thor was smiling after a punch from him and never got more than a bloody nose.

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Destroying two Leviathans with his lightning when Iron Man couldn't get through one with his laser.
Not top tier
Again, Thor was killing two things that were the size of skyscrapers and didn't have much of a problem doing it.  I don't know that I've seen Ms Marvel generating that much energy outside of when she goes full-Binary (where she is a top-tier).  If so, I'll take it back and chalk this up to a very high end mid-tier feat.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
You're totally going to die on this hill. Might as well make it count, I guess.

Please explain to me how movie Thor > comic Ms. Marvel, Thing and Ironman.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

In a thread about movie Thor vs comic book Captain America, hundreds of posts deep, you're going off on tangents about other characters because your "Captain America wrecks him" arguments were thoroughly destroyed a long time ago.

Totally
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 26, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

One feat per film = one feat per appearance.  If 100% of a character's appearances has him pulling off a top tier feat, that means he's top tier.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

Now it's one feat per film.

Member when you said it was only one feat, period, and had a whole post dedicated to that numeration?

I member.

Hahaha. Please continue

Nah fam. I saw that. Maybe the worst post in this thread:

Quote
Really guy? Nothing left to say from a debate tactic and you latch onto something that you misinterpreted?

It's like thinking you won a debate bc of a spelling error. Pretty sad.

This was so terrible even you were all like "shit, you know what, I'm bout to cop the fattest L ever if I let this live."

But I'm too quick, too fast. It lives now for all eternity.

You are crumbling in real time and it's fascinating to watch.

That wasn't a spelling error and nobody misinterpreted it. You got called out for trying to downplay and perhaps flat out falsify what AP was saying.

You're hanging yourself and no amount of suicide couseling will help you.

You have to want to save yourself first.

Coppeth thy L, my ninja.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 10:54:14 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

One feat per film = one feat per appearance.  If 100% of a character's appearances has him pulling off a top tier feat, that means he's top tier.

I'm not sure you're doing the math right there bud. He has more feats during those appearances that aren't top tier
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 26, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

One feat per film = one feat per appearance.  If 100% of a character's appearances has him pulling off a top tier feat, that means he's top tier.

I'm not sure you're doing the math right there bud. He has more feats during those appearances that aren't top tier
You really need to think about what you're arguing, especially since you're trying to call him out.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
I don't think the leviathans were quite near Skyscraper size, huge less, but I don't remember them being more than 300-500 feet long
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 26, 2017, 11:04:05 PM
AP, you do realize one feat per film does not make someone top tier?

One feat per film = one feat per appearance.  If 100% of a character's appearances has him pulling off a top tier feat, that means he's top tier.

I'm not sure you're doing the math right there bud. He has more feats during those appearances that aren't top tier
You really need to think about what you're arguing, especially since you're trying to call him out.

That second sentence is made of pure gold.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 26, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
Cap is mid tier now.

That's (one reason) why this is so ridiculous. The Pro-Cap side would still classify him as Street Level yet say he can beat Thor, who's definitely NOT Street level, for a majority. Something doesn't track...

You saying that people can't people "outside" of their class for a majority?

Maybe if we're talking about a street beating a mid-tier for a majority or a mid-tier beating a top-tier for a majority.  A street beating a top-tier for a majority?  That's stretching things.

As has been pointed out, Cap hasn't had a majority over any top-tiers and there have even been mid-tiers who give him fits nearly every time.

I'm asking for proof that movie Thor is a comic top tier, and just because he had 2-3 feats that might be considered top tier in 4 appearances, it doesn't mean he is a comic top tier.

Ms. Marvel, IM, Thing, She Hulk Etc. all have tons of feats considered "top tier". No one considers them top tier.

MCU Thor is upper mid at best
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: TURBODERP on April 26, 2017, 11:06:31 PM
Leviathans are kinda overrated.

The Hulk-one-punch feat is impressive, but Leviathans are not as long/durable/heavy as people think.

Yes, they can fly through buildings, which is impressive, but they're also light enough that when they collapse on skyscrapers they don't even collapse more than a floor or two.

Plus, Tony's missiles are capable of blowing up the soft flesh quite easily (both when the Hulk killed one, and from the inside out). Thor's lightning frying them is nice, but the metal conducts the electricity and the flesh of a Leviathan isn't that durable (again, the arm missile blew a Leviathan in half).
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 26, 2017, 11:16:25 PM
Holy fuck.

"Thor does something in a movie" = top tier feat

What the FUCK?

The only high end thing Thor did (and it's not out of the realm of someone like fucking ROGUE doing) was survive that city blast

Things like "fought movie Hulk" and "turned a blast back on the Destroyer" are fucking laughable
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 27, 2017, 01:46:34 AM
Also, does a character honestly have to be top tier to win a majority against Cap?  That seems to be where this is going and that's a fucked up idea.
Wait what? Sorry to respond to something so far back but if this is directed at my post, I merely told you that movie Thor isn't top tier on average because you referred to him as such. My whole thing was I think you'd be hard pressed to show him operating at that level generally but I didn't care enough to argue it. Cap would still be written as being able to possibly take it. I still think that's true.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 28, 2017, 04:23:12 AM
I'm curious: has the Pro-Cap side produced anything that could net him the win for the majority? And I don't mean "fighting/surviving" against top-tier characters. I mean actually beating any of them in a way that would make someone actually believe he's a threat, physically, to any top-tier character? I'm not going to read through 300 posts or whatever, so someone sum it up. From what I've read, all Pro-Cap side has done is try to dismiss literally everything MCU Thor has done in his 4 film appearances (which all track right up with him at least an upper mid-tier, low top-tier comic character).

Please. Make the case for Cap actually winning a majority. Spell it out. Lets see it. Because lets be real: all of his best feats don't put him ANYWHERE near the level to take THE MAJORITY from MCU Thor.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 28, 2017, 06:10:07 AM
I'm curious: has the Pro-Cap side produced anything that could net him the win for the majority? And I don't mean "fighting/surviving" against top-tier characters. I mean actually beating any of them in a way that would make someone actually believe he's a threat, physically, to any top-tier character? I'm not going to read through 300 posts or whatever, so someone sum it up. From what I've read, all Pro-Cap side has done is try to dismiss literally everything MCU Thor has done in his 4 film appearances (which all track right up with him at least an upper mid-tier, low top-tier comic character).

Please. Make the case for Cap actually winning a majority. Spell it out. Lets see it. Because lets be real: all of his best feats don't put him ANYWHERE near the level to take THE MAJORITY from MCU Thor.

Basically their whole arguments boils down to "MCU Thor isn't top-tier" and "Comic Cap hasn't died while fighitng guys like Hulk and the Wrecker".
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 28, 2017, 07:47:46 AM
I'm curious: has the Pro-Cap side produced anything that could net him the win for the majority? And I don't mean "fighting/surviving" against top-tier characters. I mean actually beating any of them in a way that would make someone actually believe he's a threat, physically, to any top-tier character? I'm not going to read through 300 posts or whatever, so someone sum it up. From what I've read, all Pro-Cap side has done is try to dismiss literally everything MCU Thor has done in his 4 film appearances (which all track right up with him at least an upper mid-tier, low top-tier comic character).

Please. Make the case for Cap actually winning a majority. Spell it out. Lets see it. Because lets be real: all of his best feats don't put him ANYWHERE near the level to take THE MAJORITY from MCU Thor.
Guy. The case hasn't even been made for movie Thor being low top tier, and saying otherwise is fucking stupid.

Movie Thor is movie top tier for certain, but that's far away from comic book top tier

I think movie Thor is about class 50, and thst includes overall power
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 08:04:17 AM
I'm curious: has the Pro-Cap side produced anything that could net him the win for the majority? And I don't mean "fighting/surviving" against top-tier characters. I mean actually beating any of them in a way that would make someone actually believe he's a threat, physically, to any top-tier character? I'm not going to read through 300 posts or whatever, so someone sum it up. From what I've read, all Pro-Cap side has done is try to dismiss literally everything MCU Thor has done in his 4 film appearances (which all track right up with him at least an upper mid-tier, low top-tier comic character).

Please. Make the case for Cap actually winning a majority. Spell it out. Lets see it. Because lets be real: all of his best feats don't put him ANYWHERE near the level to take THE MAJORITY from MCU Thor.
Guy. The case hasn't even been made for movie Thor being low top tier, and saying otherwise is fucking stupid.

Movie Thor is movie top tier for certain, but that's far away from comic book top tier

I think movie Thor is about class 50, and thst includes overall power

Agreed
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 28, 2017, 08:12:19 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 28, 2017, 08:13:57 AM
Class 50 strength is beyond generous for movie Thor

Movie Thor's best bet is AoE and lightning
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True. But we haven't seen many if any raw feats of strength at cl 50 for Thor either. He's turned and asgardian table, hurt he Hulk, and outmuscle IMx4, who's shown he can catch a car. I'd say 50 is generous. I'd place him cl35 to possibly cl 50 with high showings. I do not think Movie Hulk is anywhere near comic Thing.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 28, 2017, 08:26:44 AM
The way he compares to Iron Man, Loki, and others is how I get to the class 50 approximation.

BTW, do you think his lightning burst that killed three Leviathan was class 50? Or his hammer/lightning slam that seemed to destroy about a half mile of Jotenhiem (sp)? I think those showings are a bit higher.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 08:27:11 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.

First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 08:32:23 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.


First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.

Didn't he fly out of the container minimizing the momentum and impact?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 28, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
The way he compares to Iron Man, Loki, and others is how I get to the class 50 approximation.
you mwan guys you'd be hard pressed to show are strongee than comic Spider-Man???
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BTW, do you think his lightning burst that killed three Leviathan was class 50? Or his hammer/lightning slam that seemed to destroy about a half mile of Jotenhiem (sp)? I think those showings are a bit higher.
or you're drastically underestimating what mid tier comic power is capable of
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 08:35:17 AM
The way he compares to Iron Man, Loki, and others is how I get to the class 50 approximation.

BTW, do you think his lightning burst that killed three Leviathan was class 50? Or his hammer/lightning slam that seemed to destroy about a half mile of Jotenhiem (sp)? I think those showings are a bit higher.

I remember this coming up in the past and people were having difficulties these guys were stronger than comic spidey

The hammer slam was amazing, but we know in the film that unlike in comics mjolnir significantly adds to his striking power. I'm also pretty sure he charged it with lightning. That's a great feat. That actual attack was above cl 50, but it's outside the norm.

The lightning, while impressive, we have seen them hurt by missiles and such and there are low mid tier-mid tier characters that have had similar output like Sunspot.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 08:37:47 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.


First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.

Didn't he fly out of the container minimizing the momentum and impact?

That wouldn't minimize the impact to the point he was perfectly fine afterwards if it was supposed to be lethal. Yeah, he might not die but if it was that serious, he'd still be KO'd but he wasn't.

you mwan guys you'd be hard pressed to show are strongee than comic Spider-Man???
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Can comic Spidey shrug off a tank shell? Because MCU Ironman can and Thor was crushing his armor while holding back.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 28, 2017, 08:41:18 AM
That's durability, which is a separate thing altogether

I think even classic Luke Cage coukd shrug off a tank shell, but classic Spider-Man would paste him

So that's not really a good comparison
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.


First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.

Didn't he fly out of the container minimizing the momentum and impact?

That wouldn't minimize the impact to the point he was perfectly fine afterwards if it was supposed to be lethal. Yeah, he might not die but if it was that serious, he'd still be KO'd but he wasn't.

you mwan guys you'd be hard pressed to show are strongee than comic Spider-Man???
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Can comic Spidey shrug off a tank shell? Because MCU Ironman can and Thor was crushing his armor while holding back.

Again look at Oats post.

It would drastically reduce the impact, though.


Another example is comic Cyclops, A comic mid-mid tier who's blasts would level leviathans.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 28, 2017, 08:58:06 AM
One thing I will admit is that the MCU is oddly shy about their characters performing impressive lifting feats, which is usually a good indication for how strong someone is.  I mean, Spider-Man has one of the most impressive lifting feats in the movies so far simply due to the fact that very few characters pick things up.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Liam Gallaghers Unibrow on April 28, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
The hammer slam was amazing, but we know in the film that unlike in comics mjolnir significantly adds to his striking power. I'm also pretty sure he charged it with lightning.

The Jotunheim scene was pure lightning, it had nothing to do with Thor's physical strength whatsoever. Thor doesn't actually strike the ground with the hammer at all; he places the handle of Mjolnir on the floor, using it as a conduit for his lightning, which causes the collapse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYa8I16HR0 (skip to 3:25 - freeze it on 3:30 and you can clearly see that only the handle of Mjolnir makes contact with the ground).

Still a great power showing but absolutely not a strength (or indeed striking) feat of any kind.


Cheers.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 09:10:01 AM
That's durability, which is a separate thing altogether

I think even classic Luke Cage coukd shrug off a tank shell, but classic Spider-Man would paste him

So that's not really a good comparison

Durability is going to play a pretty good part in taking Cap's hits. If you're saying that cap can beat a Class 50, durability comes into play not just lifting strength.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 28, 2017, 11:31:39 AM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.

First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.

SHIELD thought the container could be used to trap and kill Hulk if Banner was imprisoned there and got angry. As we saw from Avengers, a 50,000 foot fall did not kill Hulk.

Thor got imprisoned in the cage, and Loki says something like "the humans think us immortal... shall we put that to the test?"

Thor clearly thought landing INSIDE the container could be a problem; hence, he escaped. He still landed and smashed into the ground from the fall.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Fifthchild on April 28, 2017, 12:27:03 PM
Class 50 for Thor sounds about right for strength. But like Luke Cage, he seems to have a higher level of durability.

And sure, Cap can punch outside his weight class. But not consistently. And especially not consistently for class 50 and up. His shield strikes will be his best bet, but if Thor gets a nice baseball swing on a shield toss, the shield is getting launched, leaving Cap without that added striking bonus.

And movie Thor isn't shy about using lightning.

True.

But I wouldn't say he's much more durable just because of the one city explosion feat. A drop from like 50,000 feet was said to kill him as well.

And Cap is exponentially more skilled than anything Thor has ever faced, more agile and experienced. The skill gap from comic to film is insane. He will be outclassed, imo.

First it was said to "possibly" kill him. It wasn't a guarantee. Second, we saw him actually hit the ground and he was fine.

SHIELD thought the container could be used to trap and kill Hulk if Banner was imprisoned there and got angry. As we saw from Avengers, a 50,000 foot fall did not kill Hulk.

Thor got imprisoned in the cage, and Loki says something like "the humans think us immortal... shall we put that to the test?"

Thor clearly thought landing INSIDE the container could be a problem; hence, he escaped. He still landed and smashed into the ground from the fall.

Yep. I get the feeling that Whedon meant for falling in the cell to be more dangerous than simply falling to the ground for whatever reason. Whether Thor would have died or not if he hadnt broken out is ambiguous but the scene does play out as if he was in real danger before he broke out. It doesn't make a ton of sense but it is what it is i guess.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 28, 2017, 12:56:14 PM
Well keep in mind Thor is while not gullible, still inclined to believe Loki whenever he tells him something simply because he forever holds out hope that he can bring Loki back to the good side and have his brother back.

Whenever Loki says something, Thor goes along with it. Also he's still not 100% clear on Earth tech. He knows he's fine from bullets, but he was never caught in a cage that could supposedly kill Hulk before. And he still has shown that he has no idea what a lot of stuff is. It makes sense that at the least it's an unknown factor that he's not completely sure of and was cautious enough that he didn't want to see if he survived or not.

Like it's been said though, he still fell basically 49,000 feet and some change and only flew forward a few feet before bouncing.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
Flying forward would nullify his momentum
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 01:50:37 PM
Flying forward would nullify his momentum

Le sigh...He only flew forward a few feet. How much do you think that nullified the impact? Give a percentage (guestimate.)
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 28, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
Loki's lip service does not actually mean Thor (or Hulk, or whoever) would certainly die. Putting his immortality "to the test" can mean anything from a paper cut to grievous injury. Thor escaped, sure...why would he not? He's supposed to just take the damage and do NOTHING to save himself? How fucking stupid is that argument?

"Hey guy...you know a fall off that ladder, at that height, might hurt or even kill you."

"Oh...I guess I'll just take the hit and see what happens DERP DERP DERP."

No...anyone with an ounce of self-preservation tries to minimize the damage, if able. Thor still hit the ground at an incredible rate (breaking out did very little to stop that; no different than you or I jumping up at the last instant before a runaway elevator impacts). He was really no worse for the wear.

I think it's HILARIOUS that anything short of top-tier loses to fucking Captain America for a majority. Jesus. Christ.

I'd like to see the list of "mid-tier" characters Comic Cap is capable of taking the majority over.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 02:02:46 PM
Thor also dodged that plane wing being thrown at him by Hulk. Had he not, he SURELY would've been decapitated.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 28, 2017, 02:20:48 PM
Remember when Kurse gave Thor the biggest beating of his life, including throwing a massive boulder directly at his face? And after it was over Thor was okay with just a few streams of blood on his face?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 02:23:44 PM
Remember when Kurse gave Thor the biggest beating of his life, including throwing a massive boulder directly at his face? And after it was over Thor was okay with just a few streams of blood on his face?

Irrelevant. Comic Cap hits harder than MCU Kurse, on average.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 28, 2017, 02:26:49 PM
Remember when Kurse gave Thor the biggest beating of his life, including throwing a massive boulder directly at his face? And after it was over Thor was okay with just a few streams of blood on his face?
Pffft, Cap once hip tossed The Hulk and like, didn't die trying to talk-fight King Thor...so fuck your grandma. Or something.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 28, 2017, 02:27:14 PM
HOF this shit.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 28, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
Only after we agree Comic Cap can give Thor a much more deserved beating than that PoS weak-feeb Kurse could ever dish out. I mean it's not like he personally bitchslapped Mjolnir out of returning to Thor as an afterthought.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JAXN on April 28, 2017, 02:53:03 PM
MCU Thor is a small god
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Almighty Tallest on April 28, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
MCU Thor is a small god

A small god is more mighty than a small human brah.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 28, 2017, 03:04:22 PM
Flying forward would nullify his momentum
I don't know why people are acting like this shit is real. It is ABUNDANTLY clear that him flying out of the cage was intended to be a last minute self save. There is no way around this when the scene itself made creative team's intent so obvious.

Anyway, I think of it this way:
I can't see movie Thor beating comic Iron Man or Comic Vision for a majority. Those are two good high end mid tiers, imo. That's in addition to him simply not appearing to operate at a top tier level more often than not. I can see classic Rogue giving him problems (and possibly worse) and to me she is something of a standard bearer for midtier.

All that said, I don't necessarily think Cap wins I just think that people acting like it's dun Dun DUNNNN "IMPOSSIBLE =-0" is a bit weird considering all the BS Marvel has pulled on Cap's behalf in the past. It's interesting that people are accusing the pro-cap side of making this about "Thor isn't top tier so Cap can win" when really it honestly feels like they are saying "Thor is top tier so he wins".
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 28, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
Best thread with the most complete meltdown since I've been here.

Gree literally cannot deal with being incorrect, called out or proven wrong. His behavior in this thread is proof and his most recent exchange with Xerxes sums everything up perfectly.

It's just fascinating to see.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 28, 2017, 03:09:34 PM
Why can't we just keep things positive? Okay, I'm gonna shut my gay ass up and go work on music.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 28, 2017, 04:32:33 PM
Cap wins 2/10 due to rare pressure point hitting above his weight class and/or exploiting the environment.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 06:33:19 PM
Flying forward would nullify his momentum
I don't know why people are acting like this shit is real. It is ABUNDANTLY clear that him flying out of the cage was intended to be a last minute self save. There is no way around this when the scene itself made creative team's intent so obvious.

Anyway, I think of it this way:
I can't see movie Thor beating comic Iron Man or Comic Vision for a majority. Those are two good high end mid tiers, imo. That's in addition to him simply not appearing to operate at a top tier level more often than not. I can see classic Rogue giving him problems (and possibly worse) and to me she is something of a standard bearer for midtier.

All that said, I don't necessarily think Cap wins I just think that people acting like it's dun Dun DUNNNN "IMPOSSIBLE =-0" is a bit weird considering all the BS Marvel has pulled on Cap's behalf in the past. It's interesting that people are accusing the pro-cap side of making this about "Thor isn't top tier so Cap can win" when really it honestly feels like they are saying "Thor is top tier so he wins".

Essentially it comes down to saying why Cap cant win (Thor is top tier, which isn't true, and  can't be proven) instead of how Thor wins.

Agreed all around here
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 28, 2017, 06:57:04 PM
We've given reasons why Cap won't win:

- Thor is substantially stronger.  Regardless of what class you put him in, he has proven to be stronger than Cap by a wide margin.

- Thor is also substantially more durable.

- Thor has ranged weapons including lightning and hammer throws.

- Thor can fly.

- Thor can do area attacks such as whipping up tornadoes, zapping the ground, hammer strikes, or just calling down a lot of lightning from the sky.

- Thor is also a very skilled and agile fighter.  Not on Cap's level, for sure, but if a mortal Thor can fight his way through a SHIELD base, he can at least hang enough to land a clean blow or two.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: GeneralPresidentSkeletor on April 28, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
I have a decided problem with the idea that he could even begin to sniff a MAJORITY due to him "punching outside his weight class". That's fucking crazy talk. The rest of it is making fun of Gree's meltdown.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 28, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
That's durability, which is a separate thing altogether

I think even classic Luke Cage coukd shrug off a tank shell, but classic Spider-Man would paste him

So that's not really a good comparison

Durability is going to play a pretty good part in taking Cap's hits. If you're saying that cap can beat a Class 50, durability comes into play not just lifting strength.
I don't think movie Thor is even within spitting distance of class 50, so I'm not saying that
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 28, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
I have a decided problem with the idea that he could even begin to sniff a MAJORITY due to him "punching outside his weight class". That's fucking crazy talk. The rest of it is making fun of Gree's meltdown.
That's durability, which is a separate thing altogether

I think even classic Luke Cage coukd shrug off a tank shell, but classic Spider-Man would paste him

So that's not really a good comparison

Durability is going to play a pretty good part in taking Cap's hits. If you're saying that cap can beat a Class 50, durability comes into play not just lifting strength.
I don't think movie Thor is even within spitting distance of class 50, so I'm not saying that

He's getting sonned.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Not BAMF on April 28, 2017, 09:48:26 PM
I've been following this thread for a few days now, and I really agree with Skeletor. The anti-Thor/Pro-Cap side's entire argument seems to be "Well Thor isn't Superman... so he can't beat Cap".

Is that really the criteria here?

I actually think the points both sides are making are fine, and this has been an enjoyable read, but the pro-Cap side doesn't seem to have any argument that Cap can win. They just have that... he might not lose? Is that the same thing? Because Thor isn't top-tier?

Maybe the goalposts got shifted on the entire argument, but I'd like to see conversation come around to how Cap can WIN.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 28, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 28, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
Nobody with a brain is saying that. Just Gree, furious about the Shadowcat vs Midnighter verdict!
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 28, 2017, 10:24:14 PM
Gree's reached the point where he's dodging questions like the one 80'sbaby asked him about Thor flying forward and how much that negated Thor's fall.

He can't even bring himself to acknowledge questions that highlight how absurd his comments are.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 28, 2017, 11:07:00 PM
Nobody with a brain is saying that. Just Gree, furious about the Shadowcat vs Midnighter verdict!

This is worse, which doesn't seem like it should be possible.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 29, 2017, 12:03:06 AM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Thor, the whole package considered, is about mid tier.

He's not mid tier strength + top tier EP

Jesus fuck you guys
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 29, 2017, 12:07:06 AM
Let me reiterate and say he's definitely top tier for movies in both categories
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 29, 2017, 12:30:56 AM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Thor, the whole package considered, is about mid tier.

He's not mid tier strength + top tier EP

Jesus fuck you guys

Ok. So you think comics Cap wins a majority against all midtier characters then?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Dictionary-Barry on April 29, 2017, 12:35:15 AM
We've given reasons why Cap won't win:

1 - Thor is substantially stronger.  Regardless of what class you put him in, he has proven to be stronger than Cap by a wide margin.

2 - Thor is also substantially more durable.

3 - Thor has ranged weapons including lightning and hammer throws.

4 - Thor can fly.

5 - Thor can do area attacks such as whipping up tornadoes, zapping the ground, hammer strikes, or just calling down a lot of lightning from the sky.

6 - Thor is also a very skilled and agile fighter.  Not on Cap's level, for sure, but if a mortal Thor can fight his way through a SHIELD base, he can at least hang enough to land a clean blow or two.
Okay now this we can get into. I think the crux of what Gree is getting at is that points 1 and 2 (I added numbers to your post to make this more efficient) aren't really coming in at great enough numbers to stop Cap from pulling comic BS to stop Thor at least sometimes, as Cap's shield strikes can definitely harm higher class individuals and he can certainly block attacks from them, not to mention the HUGE difference between the way street level skill/speed are portrayed in movies vs. how it's portrayed in comics and 3-5 aren't necessarily the standard MO especially against weaker opponents (I could try to count his overall number of fight scenes and compare them to the number of times he uses those if you'd like).

I would add that for me personally, I don't care who's saying it, movie Thor is not getting a clean hit on comic Cap. Like ever. Comic book streets make a career out of not getting hit by stronger opponents and that's not even factoring in Cap having one of the greatest defensive weapons in the entire medium. Bluntly, movie Cap seems faster than movie Thor and his combat speed is nothing compared to the way comic street levelers like Cap, Daredevil and Spider-Man are often portrayed with some of their BS. I have zero issue with the likelihood that movie Thor takes a clear majority but come on.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 29, 2017, 01:30:35 AM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Thor, the whole package considered, is about mid tier.

He's not mid tier strength + top tier EP

Jesus fuck you guys

Ok. So you think comics Cap wins a majority against all midtier characters then?
In a physical dust up and he has his shield? He's got good odds

And I'm not talking about "all mid tier characters" because that's as fucking stupid as movie Thor being class 50 in strength and having COMIC BOOK top tier EP
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 01:33:11 AM
Nobody with a brain is saying that. Just Gree, furious about the Shadowcat vs Midnighter verdict!

This is worse, which doesn't seem like it should be possible.
It's a separate thread, but her specific powerset and skills are tailored to fuck with his advantages.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: JookDukem on April 29, 2017, 01:35:49 AM
I feel it, I read the thread. Gree just didn't meltdown as hard in that thread as he has in this one.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 02:14:32 AM
We've given reasons why Cap won't win:

1 - Thor is substantially stronger.  Regardless of what class you put him in, he has proven to be stronger than Cap by a wide margin.

2 - Thor is also substantially more durable.

3 - Thor has ranged weapons including lightning and hammer throws.

4 - Thor can fly.

5 - Thor can do area attacks such as whipping up tornadoes, zapping the ground, hammer strikes, or just calling down a lot of lightning from the sky.

6 - Thor is also a very skilled and agile fighter.  Not on Cap's level, for sure, but if a mortal Thor can fight his way through a SHIELD base, he can at least hang enough to land a clean blow or two.
Okay now this we can get into. I think the crux of what Gree is getting at is that points 1 and 2 (I added numbers to your post to make this more efficient) aren't really coming in at great enough numbers to stop Cap from pulling comic BS to stop Thor at least sometimes, as Cap's shield strikes can definitely harm higher class individuals and he can certainly block attacks from them, not to mention the HUGE difference between the way street level skill/speed are portrayed in movies vs. how it's portrayed in comics and 3-5 aren't necessarily the standard MO especially against weaker opponents (I could try to count his overall number of fight scenes and compare them to the number of times he uses those if you'd like).

I would add that for me personally, I don't care who's saying it, movie Thor is not getting a clean hit on comic Cap. Like ever. Comic book streets make a career out of not getting hit by stronger opponents and that's not even factoring in Cap having one of the greatest defensive weapons in the entire medium. Bluntly, movie Cap seems faster than movie Thor and his combat speed is nothing compared to the way comic street levelers like Cap, Daredevil and Spider-Man are often portrayed with some of their BS. I have zero issue with the likelihood that movie Thor takes a clear majority but come on.

Agreed
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 02:14:56 AM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Thor, the whole package considered, is about mid tier.

He's not mid tier strength + top tier EP

Jesus fuck you guys

Ok. So you think comics Cap wins a majority against all midtier characters then?
In a physical dust up and he has his shield? He's got good odds

And I'm not talking about "all mid tier characters" because that's as fucking stupid as movie Thor being class 50 in strength and having COMIC BOOK top tier EP

Yep, agreed here as well
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 02:17:38 AM
Flying forward would nullify his momentum

Le sigh...He only flew forward a few feet. How much do you think that nullified the impact? Give a percentage (guestimate.)

Hard to say, im not pulling out vectors and physics. But think about it, he burst out of the shell in a complete opposite direction, nullifying a fair share of the impact.

Even comic Cap, a street leveler has fallen out of planes and survived. Batman has fallen from a sky scraper and caught himself with one arm, and he's another street leveler, for example.

Thor is not where you guys think he is
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 02:18:52 AM
Thank you!!

Ok, let's say Thor isn't Class 50, whatever. What level is he? He's, at least, a high-end Midtier with Top Tier EP/AoE attacks. Are we saying Cap is the favorite against this type? If so then Steve is no longer a street-leveler.
Thor, the whole package considered, is about mid tier.

He's not mid tier strength + top tier EP

Jesus fuck you guys

Ok. So you think comics Cap wins a majority against all midtier characters then?

Mistier characters he is more agile, faster, more experienced, significantly more skilled andncan damage with punches and hits?

Sure
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 29, 2017, 02:32:12 AM
More experienced?  Even movie Thor is thousands of years old.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Mightily Oats on April 29, 2017, 07:28:39 AM
Oats, where you at?  This is your wheelhouse.
I completely by accident clicked on Page 6, and saw this post purely by coincidence.

WHAT WAS THIS ABOUT
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Master on April 29, 2017, 08:23:30 AM
Nobody with a brain is saying that. Just Gree, furious about the Shadowcat vs Midnighter verdict!

I chuckled.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
More experienced?  Even movie Thor is thousands of years old.

Oh Jesus Christ man
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 09:58:26 AM
Oats, where you at?  This is your wheelhouse.
I completely by accident clicked on Page 6, and saw this post purely by coincidence.

WHAT WAS THIS ABOUT

Grasping the fundamental difference in power levels between fictional universes particularly comics is your thing
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 10:04:18 AM
I've been following this thread for a few days now, and I really agree with Skeletor. The anti-Thor/Pro-Cap side's entire argument seems to be "Well Thor isn't Superman... so he can't beat Cap".

Is that really the criteria here?

I actually think the points both sides are making are fine, and this has been an enjoyable read, but the pro-Cap side doesn't seem to have any argument that Cap can win. They just have that... he might not lose? Is that the same thing? Because Thor isn't top-tier?

Maybe the goalposts got shifted on the entire argument, but I'd like to see conversation come around to how Cap can WIN.

I think you might've read a different thread.

The pro-Cap side is arguing fundamentally that Thor is not as powerful as the pro-Thor side believes. He's a solid mid tier in my opinion overall he's NOT comic Top tier, and it can not be proven that he is. They are also saying that Cap has experience in battling and having victories against vastly more powerful foes. He's more skilled by a long shot, a better fighter, has the best defensive weapon in comics, and is strong enough to hurt him pretty badly. He makes a living out of hurting people outside of his weight class, and this Thor isn't so far above him as being stated. He's nowhere near as powerful as comic Wonder Woman or Extremist Iron Man, or Thing.
Also that comics are a vastly more powerful medium than movie MCU

The pro Thor side is arguing that Cap can't win because movie Thor is comic top tier and Cap is street level and he can't beat someone Outside his "level" for a majority.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 29, 2017, 10:10:42 AM
Forget "tiers." The Pro-Thor side is arguing Cap can't win a majority because Thor is stronger, more durable and has AoE abilities beyond what Cap can handle, ON AVERAGE.

The pro-Cap side is saying he wins because he's done well, i.e. not died or been immediately KOd, by opponents above Thor sometimes.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
Forget "tiers." The Pro-Thor side is arguing Cap can't win a majority because Thor is stronger, more durable and has AoE abilities beyond what Cap can handle, ON AVERAGE.

The pro-Cap side is saying he wins because he's done well, i.e. not died or been immediately KOd, by opponents above Thor sometimes.

I mean just briefly going through a few pages of his respect thread he fights Ironman h2H in armor wars and is willing and isnonly dropped with a blast that he directly says he would've blocked with his shield.

He takes on Mr.Hyde again and drops him

He takes on Starfox and Black Knight and wins.

Drops Giant Man with a nerve hit.

Drops Rhino with a kick
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He defeats a being that absorbs the majority of Namors power, more powerful than Thor.

Handles Thunderstrike/Bloodstrike well. More powerful than Thor.Think these are in order/same fight

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Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Hulk Victorious on April 29, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
Cap also gets stalemated by Bucky, struggled as hell to beat US Agent more than once, has had long fights with Red Skull and got WTF stomped by RS's mechanical suit, and didn't look too hot against Princess Zola either. You need to stop looking at his high feats only.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 29, 2017, 10:59:15 AM
Yes, those 5 showings certainly equal Cap's AVERAGE.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
Forget "tiers." The Pro-Thor side is arguing Cap can't win a majority because Thor is stronger, more durable and has AoE abilities beyond what Cap can handle, ON AVERAGE.

The pro-Cap side is saying he wins because he's done well, i.e. not died or been immediately KOd, by opponents above Thor sometimes.

You can't forget tiers because if Thor was actually top tier there'd be no debate
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:03:47 PM
Yes, those 5 showings certainly equal Cap's AVERAGE.

And on average he fares very well against stronger, less skilled foes. Thor doesn't have the feats or history to win this, all the Thor side has is *hes tooo powa! And we're shut down when shown he's actually a mid tier comic character. They go from "oh he's top tier, to oh he's cl 50, to oh let's forget about tiers". Come on guy.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.

The nonsense is thinking Thor is a top tier comic character.

I've given examples of Steve beating stronger tougher opponents. Let's see some of Thor beating faster more skilled opponents with defensive weapon that can block anything he dishes out, that's all.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.

The nonsense is thinking Thor is a top tier comic character.

I've given examples of Steve beating stronger tougher opponents. Let's see some of Thor beating faster more skilled opponents with defensive weapon that can block anything he dishes out, that's all.
And even more examples are given of Cap struggling with far, FAR, less formidable opponents.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:10:20 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.

Did I say cap wins 10/10?
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 12:10:57 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.

Did I say cap wins 10/10?
You've said a lot of objectively stupid things in this thread, so it's very possible you said that as well.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.

The nonsense is thinking Thor is a top tier comic character.

I've given examples of Steve beating stronger tougher opponents. Let's see some of Thor beating faster more skilled opponents with defensive weapon that can block anything he dishes out, that's all.
And even more examples are given of Cap struggling with far, FAR, less formidable opponents.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

I think this is where the issue lies. Thor isn't much more formidable, then say the wrecking crew. He's a solid mid tier character. Top tier in film, midtier in comics.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.

Did I say cap wins 10/10?
You've said a lot of objectively stupid things in this thread, so it's very possible you said that as well.

Yea you got it.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 12:17:37 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.

Did I say cap wins 10/10?
You've said a lot of objectively stupid things in this thread, so it's very possible you said that as well.

Yea you got it.
Concession Accepted.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: XerxesTWD on April 29, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.

The nonsense is thinking Thor is a top tier comic character.

I've given examples of Steve beating stronger tougher opponents. Let's see some of Thor beating faster more skilled opponents with defensive weapon that can block anything he dishes out, that's all.
And even more examples are given of Cap struggling with far, FAR, less formidable opponents.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

I think this is where the issue lies. Thor isn't much more formidable, then say the wrecking crew. He's a solid mid tier character. Top tier in film, midtier in comics.
You don't need to be a mid tier to beat Captain America, let alone a top tier. Cap can and will soon fights against movie Thor. Multiple people conceded that pages ago. The majority? Not happening. Neither is a split. Cap is skilled enough to make him work for his wins though.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
There isn't a debate, there's you trolling everybody with literal nonsense.

The nonsense is thinking Thor is a top tier comic character.

I've given examples of Steve beating stronger tougher opponents. Let's see some of Thor beating faster more skilled opponents with defensive weapon that can block anything he dishes out, that's all.
And even more examples are given of Cap struggling with far, FAR, less formidable opponents.

Your argument is stupid and you know it.

I think this is where the issue lies. Thor isn't much more formidable, then say the wrecking crew. He's a solid mid tier character. Top tier in film, midtier in comics.
You don't need to be a mid tier to beat Captain America, let alone a top tier. Cap can and will soon fights against movie Thor. Multiple people conceded that pages ago. The majority? Not happening. Neither is a split. Cap is skilled enough to make him work for his wins though.

Now that's a fair, respectable, assessment.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 29, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
That's what the fuck we've been saying!
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Gree on April 29, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
No one has made a statement like Xerxes. The best statement. I still personally believe Cap takes a slight majority, but I respect that viewpoint. They will be hard fought wins
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: Hulk Victorious on April 29, 2017, 01:10:17 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.
Yep Thunderball and it happened in a Captain Britain issue. That woman died and she was chosen as CB for her bravery.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: 80sBaby on April 29, 2017, 01:16:26 PM
He's also been instantly knocked out with his jaw shattered by a power sharing Wrecker. Actually, I think Thunderball broke his jaw, but we know where his stats originate. Cap had to be saved by a local woman and her kids or something like that.
Yep Thunderball and it happened in a Captain Britain issue. That woman died and she was chosen as CB for her bravery.

Think that was Avengers.
Title: Re: movie Thor vs comicbook Captain America
Post by: AP on April 29, 2017, 07:31:07 PM
No one has made a statement like Xerxes.

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