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Title: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: AP on March 20, 2017, 12:07:40 AM
Nominated by scourge.  Pic taken fr0m comicvine.

Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
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Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 20, 2017, 12:15:45 AM
Always preferred Nordic Babes to Mediterranean.


Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 20, 2017, 12:16:22 AM
Skill goes to Wonder Woman but that hammer is pretty smart now.

Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 20, 2017, 01:20:45 AM
WW has a lot going for her now. Gof mode, god buff,and Zeus' actual thunderbolt. She wins 7/10.

(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAl9AAAAJDA5ZGFhZjUxLWQ0MDEtNGE0NS05M2ZjLTFmNWQyOTc4ZjYyMg_zpsgxcadv9v.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAl9AAAAJDA5ZGFhZjUxLWQ0MDEtNGE0NS05M2ZjLTFmNWQyOTc4ZjYyMg_zpsgxcadv9v.png.html)
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Red Exodus on March 20, 2017, 03:09:31 AM
That art is atrocious.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Gree on March 20, 2017, 07:16:00 AM
Amazing dialofue
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Gree on March 20, 2017, 09:20:23 AM
Jane wins
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 20, 2017, 10:00:30 AM
Think Jane Thor wins a close one
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 20, 2017, 10:18:07 AM
Think Jane Thor wins a close one
So what speed feats does Jane have? Or skill?
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 20, 2017, 10:34:00 AM
Speed feats--recent Dr. Strange: she was performing (brain?) surgery on a room full of patients so fast she couldn't be seen by Strange. So fast she was melting the weapons.

Skill, at least w/ Mijolnir, seems beyond that which we've seen from Thor in the past.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: JookDukem on March 20, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
I know that's not supposed to seen as impressive as Flash level shit but it totally is if you think about fucking brain surgery.

That's insanity and I love it. Could Supes even do something like that?
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 20, 2017, 11:18:42 AM
I know that's not supposed to seen as impressive as Flash level shit but it totally is if you think about fucking brain surgery.

That's insanity and I love it. Could Supes even do something like that?

Well; if he read a book on brain surgery before hand probably.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 20, 2017, 01:59:24 PM
Speed feats--recent Dr. Strange: she was performing (brain?) surgery on a room full of patients so fast she couldn't be seen by Strange. So fast she was melting the weapons.

Skill, at least w/ Mijolnir, seems beyond that which we've seen from Thor in the past.
So not an actual battle feat. Since WW is heavily disrespected on This forum and it is marvel biased, I expect as much. Jane has like 3 feats and No skill anywherr near Diana. DIANA is also stronger and faster. Her bump stuck. Noted in DC new legends comic.

No way she would lose to Jane. PR stunt Jane is a flash in the pan.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Silversavage on March 20, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
As much as i hate Whor, she takes the edge here
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on March 20, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
Jane Thor wins. Way more powerful imo and has an edge in every stat except maybe speed.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: supermutant on March 20, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
WW wins, its funny how quickly people fall for these politically correct new breeds.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Panthergod on March 20, 2017, 08:38:10 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on March 20, 2017, 08:47:31 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Based on?
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 20, 2017, 10:48:30 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Based on?

Probably on him holding her up in the air with one hand while she couldn't break his grip with both of hers.

Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Animalia on March 21, 2017, 04:21:12 AM
I have always seen combat speed as the main edge DC top tiers have over many Marvel guys.
While Jane has nice feats in regard I still feel WW would win.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on March 21, 2017, 10:07:57 AM
Jane crushes her.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
Jane Thor wins. Way more powerful imo and has an edge in every stat except maybe speed.
Fail. Diana recently took out hundreds of Superman lvl opponents with single blasts.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Not BAMF on March 21, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
If there are hundreds of them, and they can be taken out with a single blast, we can ascertain one of two things:

1) Wonder Woman is the single most powerful character ever committed to funnybook pages, far beyond most god level beings.

or

2) They are not "Superman level".

I wonder which is more likely...
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 12:27:49 PM
If there are hundreds of them, and they can be taken out with a single blast, we can ascertain one of two things:

1) Wonder Woman is the single most powerful character ever committed to funnybook pages, far beyond most god level beings.

or

2) They are not "Superman level".

I wonder which is more likely...
Or, you faggot, shecommands Zeus' actual thunderbolt. Elites do shit like hand ninja top tiers.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
WW wins, its funny how quickly people fall for these politically correct new breeds.
PR stunt Jane. And these faggots are falling for it.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Imperial on March 21, 2017, 02:30:31 PM
I went with Wonder Woman. Checkered history and all, there is at least some reason and substance to her.

Jane Thor is another of these Political-symbols / "Mad-at-the-world-because-reasons-neo-feminist" types that Marvel has been cranking out by the car load in recent years. 
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Lvenger on March 21, 2017, 02:44:13 PM
I favour Wonder Woman over Jane. Jane may have contained a supernova and fought Odin but that's not consistent showings for her. Diana has better consistency plus she's tougher, faster and her gear is more versatile compared with Jane's possible superior striking and raw power. Diana can handle Jane with a lasso incap or speed blitz piercing with her sword.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Abhilegend on March 21, 2017, 03:18:35 PM
Diana
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: JookDukem on March 21, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
Did Jane Thor really perform complex brain surgery so fast people couldnt see her?

That feat is far better than we're giving her credit for.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 21, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Based on?

Probably on him holding her up in the air with one hand while she couldn't break his grip with both of hers.

She is actually trying to break it with only one hand.  She is holding Mjolnir in the other.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 21, 2017, 04:53:14 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Rage.Of.Olympus on March 21, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Based on?

Probably on him holding her up in the air with one hand while she couldn't break his grip with both of hers.


He grabbed her unexpectedly, while she was confused and held her there for a panel before they were teleported back to the Sh'iar Gods:
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/15
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/16
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/17

That isn't conclusive evidence of any kind of superiority. It may imply an advantage but their individual encounters with the Sh'iar Gods would actually indicate a significant advantage for Jane if not in strength then definitely in overall durability and even more so in power. I hope they have a brief scuffle because if anyone has been keeping up with Aaron's work on Thor, the idea that Thor, even Jane, is not as strong as Gladiator would be a real surprise.

Also, one hit from Mjolnir and Gladiator would be floored again.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: budjk on March 21, 2017, 08:36:16 PM
I think Gladiator looks stronger there. Isn't Thor shown waking up after being choked unconscious the next time we see her?
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Quan_the_Antagonist on March 21, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.
Here she tosses a much stronger Doomsday with no effort while also stopping him mid attack.

(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20170117-170711_zpsrgpvbqei.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20170117-170711_zpsrgpvbqei.png.html)

Knocking Supergirl thru multiple mountains.
(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/2871158-tumblr_mi64mhlw451qjzyxso1_1280_zps4c74ff10.jpg) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/2871158-tumblr_mi64mhlw451qjzyxso1_1280_zps4c74ff10.jpg.html)

Getting the better of the skyfather Rao and tanking his point blank Heat vision.
(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160418-013357_zpsv3k629or.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160418-013357_zpsv3k629or.png.html)
(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160418-013323_zpschabaa9g.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160418-013323_zpschabaa9g.png.html)

Actually physically taking down the AM

(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160713-171526_zpsaivoeduk.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20160713-171526_zpsaivoeduk.png.html)

And I bet her lighting is superior to Janes. She has the actual thunderbolt of Zeus.
(http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20170113-181502_zps6llqyn4g.png) (http://s477.photobucket.com/user/fangirl102/media/Diana%20New/Screenshot_20170113-181502_zps6llqyn4g.png.html)




Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 21, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 08:59:50 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Panthergod on March 21, 2017, 09:49:13 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 21, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Based on?

Probably on him holding her up in the air with one hand while she couldn't break his grip with both of hers.


He grabbed her unexpectedly, while she was confused and held her there for a panel before they were teleported back to the Sh'iar Gods:
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/15
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/16
http://www.readcomics.tv/the-mighty-thor-2016/chapter-15/17

That isn't conclusive evidence of any kind of superiority. It may imply an advantage but their individual encounters with the Sh'iar Gods would actually indicate a significant advantage for Jane if not in strength then definitely in overall durability and even more so in power. I hope they have a brief scuffle because if anyone has been keeping up with Aaron's work on Thor, the idea that Thor, even Jane, is not as strong as Gladiator would be a real surprise.

Also, one hit from Mjolnir and Gladiator would be floored again.

Considering she called his strength "shocking", that's not something that would usually be used to describe someone in the same ball park as yourself in strenth.

On top of that; his one handed upper cut while talking casual did as much to her as her last second pivot/charge double handed strike wielding a hammer into his own charge did to him in return.

And included the panel where they get teleported, he holds her for three panels while talking at the same time.

Doing it with one arm; almost looking like it didn't take much effort while she's struggling with all her might to get free, failing to even budge him.



Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 21, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.

Diana may very well be as strong or even stronger than Gladiator nowadays.

But the scans don't necessarily support that; you show her taking out a group of "superman-level guys", while at the same time Green Lantern also takes out a group of them, was he also powered up for this storyline via Ganthet or something?

On top of that it specifically mentions them being "vulnerable to magic", might as well have been blasting them with "kryptonite"-based lightning then.

You show her sucker punching Supergirl, someone weaker than Superman.

Judo-tossing a surprised Doomsday.

Managing to push a distracted sky-father and survive his attack "after" he has a divine spear, of some kind of godliness I suppose, lodged in his chest.....

Probably not on his A-Game there.

Managing to tackle AM after he is distracted by Metron and told she has an opening.



Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 21, 2017, 10:25:04 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.

Diana may very well be as strong or even stronger than Gladiator nowadays.

But the scans don't necessarily support that; you show her taking out a group of "superman-level guys", while at the same time Green Lantern also takes out a group of them, was he also powered up for this storyline via Ganthet or something?

On top of that it specifically mentions them being "vulnerable to magic", might as well have been blasting them with "kryptonite"-based lightning then.

You show her sucker punching Supergirl, someone weaker than Superman.

Judo-tossing a surprised Doomsday.

Managing to push a distracted sky-father and survive his attack "after" he has a divine spear, of some kind of godliness I suppose, lodged in his chest.....

Probably not on his A-Game there.

Managing to tackle AM after he is distracted by Metron and told she has an opening.
When you have to make  sn excuse for every featt, you look very biased.

Supergirl flew thru a planet so her being wraker than Superman does not take her out of the elite  class.  As for WW taking it to Rao and AM, neither would be budged by anything less than high level Thor/Hyperion class.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 21, 2017, 11:28:57 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.

You promoted that nonsense with New52 Superman until it was established that he and pre-Flashpoint are equal.  And Pre- Flashpoint is similarly above Diana as New 52.

Diana is not performing against Phoenix Scott and the others as well as Gladiator, especially weaponless.  She is not battling Uni-powered Sue on the ocean bottom that well.  She is not choking Jane Thor out with one hand.  Stop being a DC drooling fanboy.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 21, 2017, 11:45:02 PM
God tempest >>>>Zeus lightning.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 22, 2017, 12:05:21 AM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.

Diana may very well be as strong or even stronger than Gladiator nowadays.

But the scans don't necessarily support that; you show her taking out a group of "superman-level guys", while at the same time Green Lantern also takes out a group of them, was he also powered up for this storyline via Ganthet or something?

On top of that it specifically mentions them being "vulnerable to magic", might as well have been blasting them with "kryptonite"-based lightning then.

You show her sucker punching Supergirl, someone weaker than Superman.

Judo-tossing a surprised Doomsday.

Managing to push a distracted sky-father and survive his attack "after" he has a divine spear, of some kind of godliness I suppose, lodged in his chest.....

Probably not on his A-Game there.

Managing to tackle AM after he is distracted by Metron and told she has an opening.
When you have to make  sn excuse for every featt, you look very biased.

Supergirl flew thru a planet so her being wraker than Superman does not take her out of the elite  class.  As for WW taking it to Rao and AM, neither would be budged by anything less than high level Thor/Hyperion class.

I'm not sure "excuse" is the right term here.  That would work better if I was trying to justify an otherwise bad showing.

Here I'm just pointing that every single one of these feats has something working against it. 

Either being distracted, being vulnerable to the kind of attack being dispensed while a non-powered up guy does just as good, seriously injured, sucker punch etc.....

Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 22, 2017, 02:17:22 AM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.

Diana may very well be as strong or even stronger than Gladiator nowadays.

But the scans don't necessarily support that; you show her taking out a group of "superman-level guys", while at the same time Green Lantern also takes out a group of them, was he also powered up for this storyline via Ganthet or something?

On top of that it specifically mentions them being "vulnerable to magic", might as well have been blasting them with "kryptonite"-based lightning then.

You show her sucker punching Supergirl, someone weaker than Superman.

Judo-tossing a surprised Doomsday.

Managing to push a distracted sky-father and survive his attack "after" he has a divine spear, of some kind of godliness I suppose, lodged in his chest.....

Probably not on his A-Game there.

Managing to tackle AM after he is distracted by Metron and told she has an opening.
When you have to make  sn excuse for every featt, you look very biased.

Supergirl flew thru a planet so her being wraker than Superman does not take her out of the elite  class.  As for WW taking it to Rao and AM, neither would be budged by anything less than high level Thor/Hyperion class.

I'm not sure "excuse" is the right term here.  That would work better if I was trying to justify an otherwise bad showing.

Here I'm just pointing that every single one of these feats has something working against it. 

Either being distracted, being vulnerable to the kind of attack being dispensed while a non-powered up guy does just as good, seriously injured, sucker punch etc.....
So namor could perform the feats? No.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 22, 2017, 02:18:29 AM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.

You promoted that nonsense with New52 Superman until it was established that he and pre-Flashpoint are equal.  And Pre- Flashpoint is similarly above Diana as New 52.

Diana is not performing against Phoenix Scott and the others as well as Gladiator, especially weaponless.  She is not battling Uni-powered Sue on the ocean bottom that well.  She is not choking Jane Thor out with one hand.  Stop being a DC drooling fanboy.
If new and old are equal, that makes the old that much more stronger since the feats of the new count for both.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: The Captain on March 22, 2017, 08:37:19 AM
Silly question. Is there a reason WW is not using her Bracers here instead of a shield?

(https://s1.postimg.org/leomuzwyn/diana.png)
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Insane Titan on March 22, 2017, 08:49:54 AM
Jane wins. Whor is what WW wishes to be.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 22, 2017, 09:19:13 AM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.

You promoted that nonsense with New52 Superman until it was established that he and pre-Flashpoint are equal.  And Pre- Flashpoint is similarly above Diana as New 52.

Diana is not performing against Phoenix Scott and the others as well as Gladiator, especially weaponless.  She is not battling Uni-powered Sue on the ocean bottom that well.  She is not choking Jane Thor out with one hand.  Stop being a DC drooling fanboy.
If new and old are equal, that makes the old that much more stronger since the feats of the new count for both.

Or rather makes the new that much weaker.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Animalia on March 22, 2017, 09:53:37 AM
Silly question. Is there a reason WW is not using her Bracers here instead of a shield?

(https://s1.postimg.org/leomuzwyn/diana.png)
I suppose to provide a wider protection to the others.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 22, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
If Cyke opened up a wide beam shot at her could she deflect all of it with the braces or just the part --about the size of her braces worth?
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 22, 2017, 11:28:43 AM
If Cyke opened up a wide beam shot at her could she deflect all of it with the braces or just the part --about the size of her braces worth?
she can create a force shield to cover her entire self and others. I guess the shield is used because it provides range and can br used as a bludgeon.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 22, 2017, 03:58:57 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
No she is not.

Yes she is.
prove it. I just posted Diana tossing anout abstracts and skyfathers. Gladiator ia not stronger than Diana.

Diana may very well be as strong or even stronger than Gladiator nowadays.

But the scans don't necessarily support that; you show her taking out a group of "superman-level guys", while at the same time Green Lantern also takes out a group of them, was he also powered up for this storyline via Ganthet or something?

On top of that it specifically mentions them being "vulnerable to magic", might as well have been blasting them with "kryptonite"-based lightning then.

You show her sucker punching Supergirl, someone weaker than Superman.

Judo-tossing a surprised Doomsday.

Managing to push a distracted sky-father and survive his attack "after" he has a divine spear, of some kind of godliness I suppose, lodged in his chest.....

Probably not on his A-Game there.

Managing to tackle AM after he is distracted by Metron and told she has an opening.
When you have to make  sn excuse for every featt, you look very biased.

Supergirl flew thru a planet so her being wraker than Superman does not take her out of the elite  class.  As for WW taking it to Rao and AM, neither would be budged by anything less than high level Thor/Hyperion class.

I'm not sure "excuse" is the right term here.  That would work better if I was trying to justify an otherwise bad showing.

Here I'm just pointing that every single one of these feats has something working against it. 

Either being distracted, being vulnerable to the kind of attack being dispensed while a non-powered up guy does just as good, seriously injured, sucker punch etc.....
So namor could perform the feats? No.

Depends what you mean....he probably wouldn't take a "heat" vision blast so well no, even if his stats were on the same levels as Wonder Woman's.

Could he send Supergirl flying with a sucker punch?  He's had some good fights with Hulk, so honestly I would be surprised if he couldn't.

The rest; he might not do it judo-style but yeah he could throw Doomsday and push down or tackle the other guys when distracted or when he's told there's an opening.

If he has the trident of Poseidon he probably could stab a sky-father with it.  Don't know if it has any kind of distance attacks off hand so I guess it's iffy if he could take advantage of a beings magical weakness to blast it with magic.

So yeah; more or less I could see Namor doing all this and I'm pretty sure nowadays he's weaker than Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Panthergod on March 22, 2017, 07:19:27 PM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.

You promoted that nonsense with New52 Superman until it was established that he and pre-Flashpoint are equal.  And Pre- Flashpoint is similarly above Diana as New 52.
At that time nu52 Supes has more consistent average than pre-Flashpoint, having virtually no low end showings over a far shorter period of time.

If pre-Flashpoint Superman is equal to nu52 Superman--and it looks like they are Superman blue and Red, separated, to be fused again into one-- than it simply proves that Pre-Flashpoint Superman is ABSOLUTELY above Thanos-class in strength, as I always stated. He is the Pre-Crisis superman who suppressed his true potential Post Crisis due to his more humanized, self limiting, less confident mindset, which was the basis on his comparison to Earth 2 Superman.

Pre-Flashpoint Superman can directly outmuscle above Gladiator-class beings like Non and Faora(who was above Supergirl, who is at LEAST as strong as a high end Gladiator, to be generous to Glads) with a single arm on two separate occasions.

Diana being weaker than Superman says nothing about how Diana compares to Gladiator, when Superman can overpower above Gladiator level being with a single arm simultaneously.

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Diana is not performing against Phoenix Scott and the others as well as Gladiator, especially weaponless.  She is not battling Uni-powered Sue on the ocean bottom that well.  She is not choking Jane Thor out with one hand.  Stop being a DC drooling fanboy.
Of course she is. Supergirl choked out Martian Manhunter with one arm. Post Nu52 Diana is well above Supergirl. Diana absolutely has superior physical stat showings to anything Gladiator has ever done in post nu52 continuity.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2017, 10:08:59 AM
Jane Thor is physically weaker than Gladiator. Diana tears her apart.

Diana is physically weaker than Gladiator.
Pre Flashpoint, maybe. Not now. Diana is well above top tier at this point, above Gladiator and Thor level. No, it's not seriously disputable.  You dont read DC, so you dont have anything valid to say about it to the contrary.

You promoted that nonsense with New52 Superman until it was established that he and pre-Flashpoint are equal.  And Pre- Flashpoint is similarly above Diana as New 52.
At that time nu52 Supes has more consistent average than pre-Flashpoint, having virtually no low end showings over a far shorter period of time.

Of course, a "far shorter period of time" offsets the greater average.  It's like comparing a poll of 10 people with a poll of 1000 people.  Plus, a significant percentage of New 52's feats are under one writer, Pak, who is noted for extreme feats as shown with Hulk. 

Under Geoff Johns, New 52 does have low showings.   

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If pre-Flashpoint Superman is equal to nu52 Superman--and it looks like they are Superman blue and Red, separated, to be fused again into one-- than it simply proves that Pre-Flashpoint Superman is ABSOLUTELY above Thanos-class in strength, as I always stated. He is the Pre-Crisis superman who suppressed his true potential Post Crisis due to his more humanized, self limiting, less confident mindset, which was the basis on his comparison to Earth 2 Superman.

If proves nothing of the sort.  Neither Superman is even near Thanos level.  The "suppressed potential" is a crutch used by his fans to explain why Superman is not shown as powerful as they desire him to be. 

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Pre-Flashpoint Superman can directly outmuscle above Gladiator-class beings like Non and Faora(who was above Supergirl, who is at LEAST as strong as a high end Gladiator, to be generous to Glads) with a single arm on two separate occasions.

Whenever we see the scenes you reference, it becomes clear that Superman does nothing of the sort.  Gross exaggeration of what is shown.  Vision outmuscles Wonder Woman right?

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Diana being weaker than Superman says nothing about how Diana compares to Gladiator, when Superman can overpower above Gladiator level being with a single arm simultaneously.

Which he doesn't do, and yes, she is weaker than Gladiator, which is why she needs weapons, speed and skill to compensate.

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Diana is not performing against Phoenix Scott and the others as well as Gladiator, especially weaponless.  She is not battling Uni-powered Sue on the ocean bottom that well.  She is not choking Jane Thor out with one hand.  Stop being a DC drooling fanboy.
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Of course she is. Supergirl choked out Martian Manhunter with one arm. Post Nu52 Diana is well above Supergirl. Diana absolutely has superior physical stat showings to anything Gladiator has ever done in post nu52 continuity.

According to Wonder Woman herself, she is not well above Supergirl.

(http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/2013-03-21/supergirl-wonder-woman-mahmud-asrar-620.jpg)

And J'onn apparently handles Diana along with the rest of the League on his own.  So clearly, Diana can't choke him out by herself.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B-0rKK_vWjw/UGjYI2g3f1I/AAAAAAAACHw/02TDSMvSfJc/s1600/jl.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 23, 2017, 10:45:01 AM
A moron who post shit without knowing. You do realize WW was holding back and she had since ghen became the God of war.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 23, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 23, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.

Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 23, 2017, 01:04:34 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 23, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.



Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 23, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.
Where WW ranks today has everything to do with this match and the fact that an idiot used them to lowgrade WW. WW has fought and beaten skyfathers. Jane has not. WW has beaten Ares, Firstborn, Hectate, and beings far above Skyfathers like Nekron and the Queen of Fables.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.

And even if you look at the entire fight, they go evenly hand to hand until WW uses the Lasso.  Supergirl then uses some solar blast to get free and they continue to fight toe to toe until SG runs out of energy due to the previous solar blast.  Diana's advantage comes mostly from the use of a weapon. 
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2017, 04:08:27 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.
Where WW ranks today has everything to do with this match and the fact that an idiot used them to lowgrade WW. WW has fought and beaten skyfathers. Jane has not. WW has beaten Ares, Firstborn, Hectate, and beings far above Skyfathers like Nekron and the Queen of Fables.

You may have named one skyfather level being (Nekron) and doesn't she have help from Witchfire to drive him back?  Stop lying fool.
Gladiator is stronger.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 23, 2017, 06:32:59 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.
Where WW ranks today has everything to do with this match and the fact that an idiot used them to lowgrade WW. WW has fought and beaten skyfathers. Jane has not. WW has beaten Ares, Firstborn, Hectate, and beings far above Skyfathers like Nekron and the Queen of Fables.

You may have named one skyfather level being (Nekron) and doesn't she have help from Witchfire to drive him back?  Stop lying fool.
Gladiator is stronger.

Nekron is bwyond skyfather. Ares is also beyond skyfather. He killed high father u idiot. He also nearly matched  cronus who ia beyond galactus lvl. She also beat Pele and First born who was able to best apollo. Supergirl is stronger than She thor so using her is a fail to low ball Fiana ypu idiot. Supergirl can destroy worlds without a hammer.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 23, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.
Where WW ranks today has everything to do with this match and the fact that an idiot used them to lowgrade WW. WW has fought and beaten skyfathers. Jane has not. WW has beaten Ares, Firstborn, Hectate, and beings far above Skyfathers like Nekron and the Queen of Fables.

You may have named one skyfather level being (Nekron) and doesn't she have help from Witchfire to drive him back?  Stop lying fool.
Gladiator is stronger.

Nekron is bwyond skyfather. Ares is also beyond skyfather. He killed high father u idiot. He also nearly matched  cronus who ia beyond galactus lvl. She also beat Pele and First born who was able to best apollo. Supergirl is stronger than She thor so using her is a fail to low ball Fiana ypu idiot. Supergirl can destroy worlds without a hammer.

WW has help to drive away Nekron you retard.  Ares is not Skyfather level.  Highfather is below the same Darkseid who got his ass kicked by Superman. Gladiator is stronger than Diana and has destroyed worlds without a hammer you retard.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 07:12:25 AM
Another dumb ass tossing out the fabricated "holding back" excuse.
Diana helped raise SG. And she says so during the fight. And supergirl is likely stronger than She Thor. Hell she may be as strong as Gladiator. She flew thru a planet with ease.

What does holding back matter when she specifically says they are close matches in strength and  speed?

That it was her experience, essentially skill, that made all the difference for why she could easily handle her?

It just shows how big the skill gap is between Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
You are a moron. Obviously you don't realize that one, Supergirl is as strong as gladiator and two, WW got upgraded several magnitudes since then. The upgrades stuck. Noted seceral timea since then. So even if WW jjst a little stronger than SG, that would still be as strong as Gladiator.

Your working under the assumption that Supergirl wasn't the one who was stronger than Wonder Woman.

Factor in that she doesn't seem to be doing all that much better than hanging out, holding back Superman, in most instances and she seems to be low-end to middle class 100.  Against an Elite class 100 Gladiator that ain't good.

Jane-Thor can full on fight sky-father's herself, not just push them around but actually knock them around and make them bleed.

Gladiator just choked her like a chump.

Beyond that; regardless of where she ranks today has nothing to do with how that previous scan/portrayal.
Where WW ranks today has everything to do with this match and the fact that an idiot used them to lowgrade WW. WW has fought and beaten skyfathers. Jane has not. WW has beaten Ares, Firstborn, Hectate, and beings far above Skyfathers like Nekron and the Queen of Fables.

You may have named one skyfather level being (Nekron) and doesn't she have help from Witchfire to drive him back?  Stop lying fool.
Gladiator is stronger.

Nekron is bwyond skyfather. Ares is also beyond skyfather. He killed high father u idiot. He also nearly matched  cronus who ia beyond galactus lvl. She also beat Pele and First born who was able to best apollo. Supergirl is stronger than She thor so using her is a fail to low ball Fiana ypu idiot. Supergirl can destroy worlds without a hammer.

WW has help to drive away Nekron you retard.  Ares is not Skyfather level.  Highfather is below the same Darkseid who got his ass kicked by Superman. Gladiator is stronger than Diana and has destroyed worlds without a hammer you retard.
High Father was powerful enough to create a being Thanos lvl woth a wave of his hand. He and FS cracked the source wall. Also it was stated on panel that Superman was stronger than ever when he beat DS. Oh amd Diana had no problem fighting Nekron one on one. It said so in the comic that she took the brunt of his attack. She just did not have the spells to banish him. Oh amd Ares fought doxens of skyfathers and god at one time during OWAW. He also nearly mtached Chronus who is Galactus plus in power. So u r a failure as always. Oh and Supergirl is as strong as Gladiator. WW has punked DG before her upgrades. 3 times.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2017, 10:15:04 AM
So the defeat of Nekron doesn't happen.  You toss around, "Thanos level" or "Skyfather level", so generously it doesn't even mean anything when you say it.  If Annihilus was a DC character who Wonder Woman does well against, you would label him as Skyfather level.  Jane Thor fights Annihilus for hours and is shown matching strength with him.  The rest of the Avengers together, including Vision and Iron Man, get trounced by him.  Annihilus destroys Quasar and Nova Force Rider during Annihilation. 
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 10:20:21 AM
You toss around, "Thanos level" or "Skyfather level", so generously it doesn't even mean anything when you say it.  If Annihilus was a DC character who Wonder Woman does well against, you would label him as Skyfather level.   

I hope me saying so doesn't ruin my chances of winning fangirl's affections, but yes to all of this. All very on point.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
So the defeat of Nekron doesn't happen.  You toss around, "Thanos level" or "Skyfather level", so generously it doesn't even mean anything when you say it.  If Annihilus was a DC character who Wonder Woman does well against, you would label him as Skyfather level.  Jane Thor fights Annihilus for hours and is shown matching strength with him.  The rest of the Avengers together, including Vision and Iron Man, get trounced by him.  Annihilus destroys Quasar and Nova Force Rider during Annihilation.
WW matched Nekron on her own. Shr couldnt banish him with no spell. Nekron>>>>>Annihilus. She broke the scythe of Chronus. The same scythe that want clran thru the King Angel with it's blunt side and held all the power of the Godwave. When Jane has a cosmic level strength feat leke that, let me know.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
You toss around, "Thanos level" or "Skyfather level", so generously it doesn't even mean anything when you say it.  If Annihilus was a DC character who Wonder Woman does well against, you would label him as Skyfather level.   

I hope me saying so doesn't ruin my chances of winning fangirl's affections, but yes to all of this. All very on point.
Annihilus seemed to get a huge bump. I put him on Mantis lvl. Somewhere around Thanos. And that is skyfather lvl. Or at least hr used to be in his Tyrant fighting days.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.
I expect elite tip tiers to be able to battle, hurt, or match Skyfathers. Superman, Thor, Hulk, Wonder Woman, Monica,Blue Marvel, etc have all done it.and I put a grain of salt in the Odin faggotry. He hasnt been top skyfather in years. Hell, DC Zeus has the same lvl feats or greater and Diana took his repeated strikes without so much as being Kod or even seriously injured. Ares has killed Skyfathers such as High Father and Other Gods and Diana knocks him around and defeats him on occasion. Beforw her many upgrades, ares would trash her and she was class 100 even back then. Holding up city sized ships and tossing 1 million ton ships about.
Also, Diana took hits from the Void hound. In its weakest form, it destroyed ten solar systems with on blast. So Diana def takes skyfather level beatings and keeps on trucking.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.
I expect elite tip tiers to be able to battle, hurt, or match Skyfathers. Superman, Thor, Hulk, Wonder Woman, Monica,Blue Marvel, etc have all done it.and I put a grain of salt in the Odin faggotry. He hasnt been top skyfather in years. Hell, DC Zeus has the same lvl feats or greater and Diana took his repeated strikes without so much as being Kod or even seriously injured. Ares has killed Skyfathers such as High Father and Other Gods and Diana knocks him around and defeats him on occasion. Beforw her many upgrades, ares would trash her and she was class 100 even back then. Holding up city sized ships and tossing 1 million ton ships about.
Also, Diana took hits from the Void hound. In its weakest form, it destroyed ten solar systems with one blast. So Diana def takes skyfather level beatings and keeps on trucking.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 11:52:26 AM
IDK

1) Battle means nothing if you don't get anywhere e.g. Hulk against Zeus. Yeah Hulk Battled him but Zeus walked the dog on him and it was not a matching or any kind of back and forth.
2) Hurt, a little better than battle, but you have someone like Monica listed, who once hurt Zeus, and it was impressive to be sure, but was still clearly shown to be way below his level, unable to do anything more to him than what she did. So these references you provide of other characters doing the same really aren't
3) Match, now there's something, what Jane did. But then I don't know on what grounds you try to downplay it... bc it was Odin? Odin has traditionally appeared above his Skyfather peers like Zeus in Marvel, so if anything that fight is even more impressive. Not to say I think she's on his level, simply that I do think it was impressive and more impressive than you give it credit for.

Therefore, the efforts to discredit it or say any top tier could do it, don't really pass muster imo bc the things these other characters have done to skyfathers can't compare and even the level of the skyfathers themselves don't seem even with Odin being well established at Marvel as the most prominent one, but then we apparently at least disagree on that last point.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2017, 12:16:46 PM
So how does this place Marvel's Ares?

(http://i.imgur.com/PDLAvVV.png)
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 01:16:45 PM
IDK

1) Battle means nothing if you don't get anywhere e.g. Hulk against Zeus. Yeah Hulk Battled him but Zeus walked the dog on him and it was not a matching or any kind of back and forth.
2) Hurt, a little better than battle, but you have someone like Monica listed, who once hurt Zeus, and it was impressive to be sure, but was still clearly shown to be way below his level, unable to do anything more to him than what she did. So these references you provide of other characters doing the same really aren't
3) Match, now there's something, what Jane did. But then I don't know on what grounds you try to downplay it... bc it was Odin? Odin has traditionally appeared above his Skyfather peers like Zeus in Marvel, so if anything that fight is even more impressive. Not to say I think she's on his level, simply that I do think it was impressive and more impressive than you give it credit for.

Therefore, the efforts to discredit it or say any top tier could do it, don't really pass muster imo bc the things these other characters have done to skyfathers can't compare and even the level of the skyfathers themselves don't seem even with Odin being well established at Marvel as the most prominent one, but then we apparently at least disagree on that last point.
I said Elite top tiers. There is a huge difference. Herculese and Lobo are top tiers whi can battle elites. But Black Bolt, Superman, Thor bitch, Thor, Wonder Woman, Blue Marvel, Monica, etc can battle Gods anf abstracts. Wonder Woman beat DC Zeus. Same Zeua who killed the god of all space. Same Zeus who combined the power of every Skyfather in reality and then focused it thru his own staff to drive back  the shattered God. One who could only be defeates by the voice of God. Diana been handling beings on that lvl. And Jane goy chocked by Gladiator. So lets not gey carried away.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
Is it getting carried away to say I think she looked better against Odin than Hulk did against Zeus (as Zeus beat his ass) or Monica (who only got in one good hit)? The fight was uncommon, a high to be sure and to me, not at all incongruent with still having trouble from Gladiator who fluctuates a good deal, but on most days operates around Superman imo (not all out Superman, dynamic increase etc, just run of the mill, having some mission with the League Superman). Not that I want to make it about that character, all I mean to say is I think Gladiator could choke most top tiers/elite top tiers, not that they couldn't get out of it if given some time.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Is it getting carried away to say I think she looked better against Odin than Hulk did against Zeus (as Zeus beat his ass) or Monica (who only got in one good hit)? The fight was uncommon, a high to be sure and to me, not at all incongruent with still having trouble from Gladiator who fluctuates a good deal, but on most days operates around Superman imo (not all out Superman, dynamic increase etc, just run of the mill, having some mission with the League Superman). Not that I want to make it about that character, all I mean to say is I think Gladiator could choke most top tiers/elite top tiers, not that they couldn't get out of it if given some time.
Gladiator is not choking Supergirl. And she is below WW in strength. I also don't think Jane looked as Good as Hulk did against Xeus since Zues cheated and Hulk did moy have his full powerset.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
But SG is likely above WW in durability (not counting braces)... also conjecture. You're asking what would happen if one Super-character tried to choke another? Probably the same thing that would happen if any of them tried to choke any other of them.

The important thing is that it's just as likely that Gladiator could do the same to WW. But this really isn't the deciding issue in this fight, and if Gladiator choking someone is what you use for an example of the character's low? That's a pretty fucking good track record.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2017, 02:22:46 PM
Wonder Woman beat DC Zeus. Same Zeua who killed the god of all space. Same Zeus who combined the power of every Skyfather in reality and then focused it thru his own staff to drive back  the shattered God. One who could only be defeates by the voice of God. Diana been handling beings on that lvl. And Jane goy chocked by Gladiator. So lets not gey carried away.

Where does Wonder Woman beat Zeus.  I have a feeling that you are referencing the scan below.  Am I correct?

(http://i43.tinypic.com/6egqqe.jpg)
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 03:01:03 PM
But SG is likely above WW in durability (not counting braces)... also conjecture. You're asking what would happen if one Super-character tried to choke another? Probably the same thing that would happen if any of them tried to choke any other of them.

The important thing is that it's just as likely that Gladiator could do the same to WW. But this really isn't the deciding issue in this fight, and if Gladiator choking someone is what you use for an example of the character's low? That's a pretty fucking good track record.
Wonder Woman currently does not have any lows of that nature. Even deathstroke with the Titan slayers could not hurt her. Yes Supergirl is likely more durable when it comes to fine lasers and such. But blynt fprce trauma Diana has down. Diana has almost never been knocked out. Even Doomsday and Superman cant do it.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 03:02:48 PM
Wonder Woman beat DC Zeus. Same Zeua who killed the god of all space. Same Zeus who combined the power of every Skyfather in reality and then focused it thru his own staff to drive back  the shattered God. One who could only be defeates by the voice of God. Diana been handling beings on that lvl. And Jane goy chocked by Gladiator. So lets not gey carried away.

Where does Wonder Woman beat Zeus.  I have a feeling that you are referencing the scan below.  Am I correct?

(http://i43.tinypic.com/6egqqe.jpg)
Zeus was beaten. Had it not been for the Olympian, she would have kicked his ass. But ee dont need that scan when just recently Zeus and Hera asked for Diana's help in JL. So we know she is approaching Transtier lvls.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: scourge on March 24, 2017, 04:07:48 PM
Zeus appeared more in shock that she would strike him, not close to beaten. The more generous interpretation would be that no mortal has ever managed to knock him off his feet with a punch, but I think the fact that the mortal tried punching him is the thing he's commenting on. The one thing that seems plainly clear is that he's not close to beaten.

And asking her for help is nothing new. The Gods asked her to deal with faust in hell on JLU, she was surely not "transtier" (whatever this means) there was she? The trope of Gods getting mortals to accomplish various ends is not a sign that the mortal is more powerful.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
Zeus appeared more in shock that she would strike him, not close to beaten. The more generous interpretation would be that no mortal has ever managed to knock him off his feet with a punch, but I think the fact that the mortal tried punching him is the thing he's commenting on. The one thing that seems plainly clear is that he's not close to beaten.

And asking her for help is nothing new. The Gods asked her to deal with faust in hell on JLU, she was surely not "transtier" (whatever this means) there was she? The trope of Gods getting mortals to accomplish various ends is not a sign that the mortal is more powerful.

The other examples are similar BS exaggerations.  It has been covered before.  A sucker punch that knocks someone down is not an example of beating them.  The parallel's to the scan above of Marvel's Ares of clear.  Ares knocks Zeus down and I can make Fangirl's same assertion that if not for Hercules, Ares would have kicked his butt.  Plus, Zeus is practically begging for Ares' help.  Thus, Ares is apparently "transtier".
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 24, 2017, 06:54:58 PM
Zeus appeared more in shock that she would strike him, not close to beaten. The more generous interpretation would be that no mortal has ever managed to knock him off his feet with a punch, but I think the fact that the mortal tried punching him is the thing he's commenting on. The one thing that seems plainly clear is that he's not close to beaten.

And asking her for help is nothing new. The Gods asked her to deal with faust in hell on JLU, she was surely not "transtier" (whatever this means) there was she? The trope of Gods getting mortals to accomplish various ends is not a sign that the mortal is more powerful.
Hell, not evem Chronia or The space God could really knock Zeus over. But Ares is as powerful as Zeus and she has managed to beat ares.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: g-train on March 24, 2017, 07:29:44 PM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.


Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 24, 2017, 08:04:41 PM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 25, 2017, 01:16:33 AM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
So gow is that impressive but Diana gaking shots from Rao, Darksied,Superdoom, etc not being counted.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 25, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
So gow is that impressive but Diana gaking shots from Rao, Darksied,Superdoom, etc not being counted.

I was showing that Jane has withstood things similar to the things you claim puts Diana so far ahead of her.  Jane has taken blows from the Destroyer and withstands his eye beams.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 25, 2017, 02:21:32 PM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
So gow is that impressive but Diana gaking shots from Rao, Darksied,Superdoom, etc not being counted.

I was showing that Jane has withstood things similar to the things you claim puts Diana so far ahead of her.  Jane has taken blows from the Destroyer and withstands his eye beams.
Diana took beams from a group of Quantum Mechanics, the combined pantheon of the Greeks, Chaos itself, etc. She is ahead of Jane.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: Hulkster on March 25, 2017, 06:46:10 PM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
So gow is that impressive but Diana gaking shots from Rao, Darksied,Superdoom, etc not being counted.

I was showing that Jane has withstood things similar to the things you claim puts Diana so far ahead of her.  Jane has taken blows from the Destroyer and withstands his eye beams.
Diana took beams from a group of Quantum Mechanics, the combined pantheon of the Greeks, Chaos itself, etc. She is ahead of Jane.

The bracelets absorb those.  Jane withstands the beams to her physical body multiple times including once while not holding Mjolnir.  Same for blasts fro Odin and the Shi'ar Skyfather.  Jane even stops a Mjolnir shot from Destroyer with one hand as Superman does when Thor swings it. 

Jane withstands automatic weapon fire with only being ticked.  We've just seen Diana taken down by a single bullet.  She matches the same Angela who defeats Hela in Hel under the same writer.  Diana is not ahead of Jane.
Title: Re: Battle of the Week: Jane Thor vs Wonder Woman
Post by: fangirl101 on March 25, 2017, 07:44:49 PM
I can't speak to Annihilus' level, I know he's got some chops, but I wouldn't say skyfather... however Odin obviously is. That's probably the most impressive combatant Jane has matched which is certainly beyond what we'd expect from a top tier.

She's also been fighting those Shiar Sky-fathers, at a serious disadvantage but actually capable of doing it on "some" level.

Yep.  She takes a direct blast from one and gets right back up to knock the Sky Father down with a hammer shot.
So gow is that impressive but Diana gaking shots from Rao, Darksied,Superdoom, etc not being counted.

I was showing that Jane has withstood things similar to the things you claim puts Diana so far ahead of her.  Jane has taken blows from the Destroyer and withstands his eye beams.
Diana took beams from a group of Quantum Mechanics, the combined pantheon of the Greeks, Chaos itself, etc. She is ahead of Jane.

The bracelets absorb those.  Jane withstands the beams to her physical body multiple times including once while not holding Mjolnir.  Same for blasts fro Odin and the Shi'ar Skyfather.  Jane even stops a Mjolnir shot from Destroyer with one hand as Superman does when Thor swings it. 

Jane withstands automatic weapon fire with only being ticked.  We've just seen Diana taken down by a single bullet.  She matches the same Angela who defeats Hela in Hel under the same writer.  Diana is not ahead of Jane.
Um, no bracers in those feats. But bracers count as well in a fight