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Title: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 17, 2017, 04:32:18 PM
I just finished 6. So spoilers if you're not that far but I'll keep them vagueish as it's still early into the release.


 Never expected another one of the Immortal Weapons to show up, such that it was. Visually spot on. I'm enjoying this show. Ward doesn't even bother me anymore as his relationships with the other characters and his personal demons make him more interesting. Colleen is great, always like seeing Clair and it's tying so nicely into some of the other shows, esp DD.

As AP said in the ep 1-4 thread, nice that Danny isn't brooding like the rest. His attitude is refreshing and it makes him immediately the most likable. Tho by the end of episode 6 it's even more clear has dealing with his shit.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 17, 2017, 04:37:06 PM
Episode five.  I liked the little not-a-date with Danny and the flirty weapons demo.  They have good chemistry.  He plays the loveable dork bit well.  As always, it’s nice to see Claire (as well as Rosario Dawson in workout clothes).  I’m guessing we’ll be seeing more of Davos soon.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 17, 2017, 04:37:34 PM
Hope so
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 17, 2017, 05:10:37 PM
I can see why critics said things pick up with episode six.  This seemed the most like an issue of Iron Fist with him remembering his philosophical training as he deals with each threat.  I’m a bit surprised Bride of Nine Spiders was taking orders from Madame Gao.  I figured she would have her own thing going.  I’m guessing the Asian dude was Junzo Muto, but I have no idea who the Russian dudes were supposed to be.

I’m still not digging Ward or the subplots with the Mechums.  I also wish Claire had more of a personal connection with Danny.  She’s been in two episodes but so far, she seems like a random ally as opposed to the more important roles she played in Daredevil and Luke Cage.  I liked that she said “Sweet Christmas” though.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 17, 2017, 06:30:33 PM
Okay, they should have shown the critics all the episodes up to seven like they did with Luke Cage and Daredevil season 2.  Everything is picking up with this one.  I’m really interested to see what happened with Danny’s father and the Mechum subplots are beginning to get interesting.  Maybe Ward isn’t entirely pointless after all.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 17, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
Episode eight now.  The show does get better.  I liked the Drunken Master version of Zhou Cheng, but I’m guessing he’s not the possessed zombie-like Iron Fist killer yet.  I’m sure he’ll show up again, if not this season, then the next. 

It’s also good that we finally see Colleen in a sword fight.  I liked the Japanese sword style vs Chinese sword style bit.  I’m trying to think if I’ve ever seen that in live action before.

Claire’s interactions with Danny are better too.  I liked their scene on the plane.  I guess her job isn’t to patch up Danny’s wounds but to make sure he doesn’t lose control.  Great nod to Coleen’s time in the cage matches at the end of his duel.

I’m beginning to wonder if the Hand stuff is just a front for Madame Gao.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Liam on March 17, 2017, 09:13:45 PM
Danny's actor badly needs to hit the gym.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 17, 2017, 10:36:10 PM
Episode 8 complete and I still have no clue why Gao is running with the Hand for this series and wasn't as far as we could tell in Daredevil. If she was I think things would have been much different.

The fights this episode were the best one on one fights I think that I've seen so far on any of these Deffenders shows. Colleen in the cage was great but the sword fight even better. Was esp really into that drunken master fight.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bandido on March 18, 2017, 12:05:28 AM

The fights this episode were the best one on one fights I think that I've seen so far on any of these Deffenders shows.

Whoa - Better than DD's fights with Nobu?
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 18, 2017, 12:19:14 AM
I think Iron Fist does martial arts battles better while Daredevil does street fights better.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Red Exodus on March 18, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
Episode 5-6 are probably the best episodes of this trainwreck of a show. They
show you what the show could've been, SHOULD HAVE been, but instead...
well, we got what we got instead.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 18, 2017, 05:24:22 PM
I'm of a completely different opinion. Not that eps 5&6 aren't good, but rather I like this show.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Liam on March 18, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
The fight with the Drunken Master was cool.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Prime on March 18, 2017, 07:24:06 PM
Iron Fist needs a mask/costume ASAP. Action scenes suck because Finn Jones needs to be covered up. Colleen's scenes are so much better because she seems to have some experience so it's not as.much of an issue when it comes to fight choreography.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2017, 08:18:55 PM
Watching episode 6 now. Its getting better but Bride of Nine Spiders was a let down... A hot hot let down.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Liam on March 18, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Iron Fist needs a mask/costume ASAP. Action scenes suck because Finn Jones needs to be covered up. Colleen's scenes are so much better because she seems to have some experience so it's not as.much of an issue when it comes to fight choreography.

Yeah, a mask would allow them to use a stuntman on choreography instead of a slow, doughy nerd of an actor.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 18, 2017, 08:50:04 PM
Watching episode 6 now. Its getting better but Bride of Nine Spiders was a let down... A hot hot let down.

I'm assuming she's slumming it for some reason.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2017, 09:50:50 PM
Iron Fist needs a mask/costume ASAP. Action scenes suck because Finn Jones needs to be covered up. Colleen's scenes are so much better because she seems to have some experience so it's not as.much of an issue when it comes to fight choreography.

Yeah, a mask would allow them to use a stuntman on choreography instead of a slow, doughy nerd of an actor.

I want to know if Finn was lazy or if the showrunner decided to keep him soft looking. Marvel is usually good at getting their people in fighting form.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 18, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
I've always wonder about this corporate takeover moves. Can the board actually have secret meetings to remove people? I fee like with Danny's 51% and whatever % the Mitchums have they would basically be untouchable.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 19, 2017, 12:02:10 AM
I've always wonder about this corporate takeover moves. Can the board actually have secret meetings to remove people? I fee like with Danny's 51% and whatever % the Mitchums have they would basically be untouchable.

Probably not.  It's similar to when criminals get off on technicalities in movies.  It adds drama but isn't realistic.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 19, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
Yeah that's what I figured.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: altoon on March 19, 2017, 07:10:03 AM
Why did the drunken fighter sound Australian?
And the Bride of Nine Spiders was disappointing as fuck. I checked out the end credits hoping it wasn't supposed to be her.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 19, 2017, 08:28:26 AM
I assume the guy playing the Drunken Master was an Aussie.  I liked him.  Not sure why his accent is an issue.

I am hoping future seasons will explain Bride of Nine Spider's role.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: altoon on March 19, 2017, 09:31:43 AM
Wasn't an issue just found it odd.  I would have assumed they would have made him lose it for the show
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 19, 2017, 09:52:54 AM
They made a point of showing the Hand to be an international group so it made sense.  Somehow it fit Zhou's character.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 19, 2017, 11:57:41 AM
Anyone else liking Claire the most in this series? There is some hand waving shenanigans with having her quickly become a more than competent fighter but I'm ok with it. I'm enjoying her sarcastic comments about all this crazy bullshit. The only part that's driving me nuts is how they acknowledge her other ties but she is not picking up her phone to get help. Even if she just mentioned she tried to get a hold of Matt and Jessica but couldn't would be fine.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Ditto on March 19, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
I honestly hated every appearance she had in this series. I think the show would have been better without her.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 19, 2017, 12:20:49 PM
I've always liked Claire and found her very likable in this series especially.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: MTL76 on March 19, 2017, 12:23:51 PM
I honestly hated every appearance she had in this series. I think the show would have been better without her.

Claire went from likeable in Daredevil season 1 to annoying and pointless, which is where she stands currently. I hope her death is the reason the Defenders form.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on March 19, 2017, 12:30:01 PM
I'd argue she played a larger role in Cage than in DD
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: MTL76 on March 19, 2017, 12:34:37 PM
Keep in mind I'm not done with Iron Fist and I'm up to the point where we first see her as Colleen's student, but her appearance her seems forced. Hell, she literally cockblocked Danny. And she's the best student Colleen has ever had? LOL.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 19, 2017, 12:48:02 PM
Within the series itself its forced but her reasoning was established in Luke Cage. After everything that's happened she decides to take lessons with Colleen after finding her flyer.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: MTL76 on March 19, 2017, 12:58:33 PM
They should just have her wear a t-shirt that says, "Hi, I'm the link between the Netflix shows."

I am expecting the inevitable scene where Danny says something like, "My life is pretty weird right now" and Claire responds with "TRUST ME... I know weird" as she turns and winks at the camera.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 19, 2017, 03:27:00 PM
Keep in mind I'm not done with Iron Fist and I'm up to the point where we first see her as Colleen's student, but her appearance her seems forced. Hell, she literally cockblocked Danny. And she's the best student Colleen has ever had? LOL.

Colleen never said she was her best student.

As for the cock blocking, that was Colleen's doing as she wanted Danny to know it wasn't a date and Claire clued in.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: MTL76 on March 19, 2017, 03:39:17 PM
Danny needs to brush up on his Game theory.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bandido on March 19, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
Danny trusting at blink Harold after the latter died, hasn't aged and revealed the Hand was so frustratingly dumb.

Finished ep 5. Also Colleen was right to tear Danny apart forbearing on that kid. His Zen is weak.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bandido on March 20, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
So the Katana vs Chinese Short Sword fight was great, proving once again Colleen is the best part of the show.

The drunken-boxing fight was several tiers below episodes of Walker: Texas Ranger. - Why do they go into slow for the least impact-ful moves? It's like they want to highlight there's no connection.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 20, 2017, 07:52:51 PM
Finished ep 5. Also Colleen was right to tear Danny apart forbearing on that kid. His Zen is weak.

Beating people with bamboo sticks when they fuck up is standard kung-fu monk stuff.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bandido on March 20, 2017, 08:07:37 PM
Right, but the kid didn't know that. And there a difference between training in a temple and getting monks slapping you with wooden sticks to correct your form and then showing up to your local dojo and a guy you haven't seen before baseball bats your ankle with some bamboo.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on March 20, 2017, 08:25:13 PM
and Danny didn't know what. His idea of what a dojo is is very different.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: MTL76 on March 20, 2017, 09:21:09 PM
Yeah that scene made sense given his background. For him, training is a life or death matter.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 20, 2017, 09:37:56 PM
Exactly.  Danny left the world when he was ten and has no idea of what a Western dojo would look like.  Making a fart noise to your teacher would probably earn a far worse beating in K'un L'un than what Danny gave him.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bandido on March 20, 2017, 10:53:14 PM
Danny doesn't seem to observe discipline I would associate with a martial arts master - I understand that's part of the shtick they were going for, his zen is unclear. He still seems far on the man-baby side. He bounces between this focused warrior monk and a the kid who trolled you for not listening to Linkin Park in 8th grade. He knows from his time before the tutelage of K'un L'un that people don't just wig out and break other people's bones. He wasn't that young when the plane crashed.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on March 21, 2017, 01:30:40 AM
He never broke anyone's bones.  He just slapped the guy's feet out from under him.  It was a mean thing to do, but it's not like he caused any serious harm.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: 80sBaby on March 21, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
Yeah, it probably hurt like hell but the kid deserved it. He'll be okay.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Master on March 23, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
Yeah, reference back to the first ep he steps into Colleen's dojo and asks where the master is... because it is customary to challenge a dojo's master to a fight.

He lived a billionaire life that sounded pretty detached from the real world (if you help out with this commercial, we take you to the circus)... and then gets thrust into a magic Kung fu world that only appears on Earth once every 15 years where he has to fight constantly to achieve the IF world destiny position. No one in K'un L'un was half assing things.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Average John on March 26, 2017, 09:33:48 AM
Through 9 episodes. The show has gotten a bit better since the first few episodes but the fight scenes are still pretty average.

The story and plot are stronger than the writing in the dialogue, I think. I am not disappointed necessarily. I think the show is fine. But it could be better. I like that Danny is being portrayed as wishy washy and mood swingy. I think is it deliberate and not bad writing. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's emotionally stunted and mentally damaged and he became the Iron Fist just because he's ambitious. He's not fully connected to K'un L'un or NYC. His plans are impulsive, he keeps his emotions under control when he remembers his training, but the monks weren't there to heal his mind. They just taught him to repress the trauma and become a weapon.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Master on March 26, 2017, 04:49:04 PM
Which is why he had freak outs upon returning home. It wasn't as easy to repress the trauma once he was back home, dredging up memories.

The damaged goods nature of the character is fine, but I think they push it just a bit too much with the wushu washiness.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on April 03, 2017, 08:27:37 PM
Yeah I'm not really digging IF.
After watching 7 episodes there's nothing outstanding for me.
I couldn't care less about the plight of any of the characters & the action scenes are just poorly handled IMO.

Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on April 04, 2017, 11:03:29 AM
Just wait, there's an Asian guy with an Australian accent in episode 8.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on April 04, 2017, 04:09:59 PM
I'm pretty skeptical the fight scenes will get any better.

Gao's 3 battle challenge was pretty pitiful & very rushed. I got the impression that was a highlight of season 1.

I understand the emphasis became on Gao cheating when she changed the rules but it was also where Danny proved himself to be the IronFist
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on April 04, 2017, 04:11:56 PM
Episode 8 does have the best fight scene(s). Danny vs that guy with the Australian accent is entertaining as the guy fights with drunken boxing style. He makes the fight.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on April 04, 2017, 07:47:19 PM
I liked Gao's tournament.  And yeah, the drunken boxer was one of the best fights.  The fights in the Hand compound and the sword fight toward the end of the season were also good.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on April 05, 2017, 11:10:35 AM
Episode 8 was ok but christ it was all over the place.

Danny on the jet to China explaining how he's mastered being in control of his mind, body & soul...yet we constantly see his immaturity & anger rule his actions.

He knocks out a guard (to sneak into the factory)...doesn't kill him, I guess because of Claire's big speech that even bad people don't need to be killed ( weird, especially after what she's been through in DD & Cage...wtf?)

So Danny doesn't kill the guard but drags his unconscious body into the building he's about to set on fire???

The drunken fight was cool & so was defending Claire & Colleen but where exactly does the balance of Danny's "mediocre" fighting skills stop & the IronFist warrior step in?
The drunken Aussie had Danny coughing blood & still no glowing fist?
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on April 05, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
They explain Danny's contradictions later in the season.  There is a reason why he seems to be full of shit.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Bran Mak Morn on April 05, 2017, 11:12:18 PM
Ok Ok I might as well watch the last 5 eps & cast judgement then.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Master on April 06, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
Yeah, the show should have dealt with this shit and more K'un-Lun backstory in the first five episodes... but instead they load it in the end.

I wish season 2 could be H4H with Cage, but I legit feel this show needs a BETTER second season that focuses on Danny's K'un-Lun backstory... otherwise, I find it hard to give a shit about his plight.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on April 06, 2017, 09:10:28 PM
At the moment, Cage and Jessica Jones seem more thematically linked with experiments that grant super powers... DD having a bit of that, but no real link btwn Cage and IF other than Claire. Meanwhile DD and IF are more naturally linked with Hand stuff. Of course who knows how things will shake out after Defenders.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on April 06, 2017, 11:33:53 PM
The actors said we'll get a Luke/Danny bromance.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: scourge on April 07, 2017, 09:38:33 AM
Very happy about that. You think it'll be the music that brings them together?
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: 80sBaby on April 07, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
Very happy about that. You think it'll be the music that brings them together?

Definitely. Danny's affinity for hip-hop was used for a reason.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Master on April 07, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
So who will get Luke out of jail? Matt or Hogarth?
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on April 07, 2017, 05:59:20 PM
My hope is that the Sokovia Accords are brought in somehow.  Like maybe Luke signs them to get out on parole in exchange for investigationg whatever is going on in New York.
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: Wyntyr on August 23, 2017, 02:49:27 AM
Just now watching the series. I like it. People complain about dumb bullshit.

And I just assumed the Drunken Master spoke with a British accent because he was from Hong Kong and spoke English with a British accent like the majority of Hong Kongese
Title: Re: Iron Fist Episodes 5-8
Post by: AP on August 23, 2017, 03:19:16 AM
And I just assumed the Drunken Master spoke with a British accent because he was from Hong Kong and spoke English with a British accent like the majority of Hong Kongese

Yeah, that was the guy's natural accent, I think.  If not, he sounds like he's from Hong Kong.  It's like when idiots complained about Elektra's accent in Daredevil, not knowing that Elodie Yung has that sort of accent due to a very diverse background and is speaking naturally.