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Title: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 02, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
If not, why not? It is fucking AWESOME.

As everyone knows, Gail Simone  took over the title and rebooted it – she was one of Dynamite’s hottest ever acquisitions and she took the comic to new heights of popularity and critical acclaim. Before Gail, humour had been hard to come by in Red Sonja stories but she totally changed the tone of the series.

With that said, I couldn’t stand Gail’s run personally because she changed so much about the character. She removed the vow entirely (and openly poked fun at it in one issue) – not just the ‘best her to bed her’ element but the whole path of vengeance and involvement of the Blood Goddess Scathach. Yes, removing all the rape references is no bad thing but it wouldn’t take a brain surgeon to rework the vow, such that Sonja’s granted inhuman abilities and skill in exchange for servitude to Scathach.

Gail’s Sonja was much more pedestrian than the Sonja before her - a highly skilled huntress, sure, but she was no longer the greatest swordsman around. She was formidable in battle because she was ANGRY … a calm swordsman totally embarrassed her in a duel and she only beat him when she dropped her sword and lost her temper. Gail also went to the other extreme, changing Sonja from a virtual virgin to a character who would fuck anything that moved – she was a total slave to her own lust and rage, constantly drunk out of her gourd … basically, she was a caricature of the classic She-Devil.

The comic did great business but as far as I was concerned, as a Red Sonja comic, it sucked.

Then last year, we got another reboot by Marguerite Bennett. The big gimmick about this one was that Sonja’s look was changing substantially, losing the chainmail bikini for a fur hood, cape and tunic … still not the most practical outfit for pitched battle but a huge change from the classic look. I didn’t pay too much attention to this one after the first ish but it only lasted for six issues and just kinda petered out. The writing was OK but nothing special, and the art was bland and mediocre.

Then I heard late last year that the series was being relaunched YET AGAIN and by another female writer … this time, ex-‘Poison Ivy’ scribe Amy Chu, who’d been suggested by Simone. On pencils was Spaniard Carlos Gomez, who’d done a few Marvel bits here and there but was more closely associated with Dynamite.

#0 came out in December for 25 cents or free of charge on Comixology. It wasn’t earth-shatteringly good but it showed real promise, with lovely artwork from Gomez. The bikini was back and briefer than it’s been under most artists. In total contrast to Bennett’s run, there were suddenly loads of gratuitous poses .. .the very first panel, which has been reproduced on the opening of every issue since, has Sonja dashing up a staircase towards Kulan Gath, with most of her naked arse on display. However, Gomez has a really cool style that hasn’t been used on Sonja for a long time, a blend of cartoony and realistic that really works. The closest artist to his style for me is Humberto Ramos but Gomez is MUCH better, with far better background work, facial expressions and movement. The story itself had a brief battle between Sonja and a big, nasty monster, followed by several pages of her dashing through a tunnel, and then a BIG REVEAL at the end.

The BIG REVEAL?


SPOILERS


Sonja had been transported to modern-day New York City.

Yes, this has been done before twice in Sonja team-ups with Spider-Man but those stories never showed Sonja interacting with normal people, just fighting magicians and superhumans. The early issues of this series are all about Sonja finding herself in a totally strange environment, where she doesn’t understand the language, where her opponents have firearms, and she marvels at running water, let along modern technology.

And it is a fucking BLAST

The art continues to impress …  Gomez is as good at drawing cityscapes as desolate Hyborian wastelands. He stills throws in butt-shots whenever he has a chance but he has at least given Sonja a leather jacket to help against the sudden snows that she brought with her from Hyboria.

Amy’s introduced a cool new sidekick for Sonja in young cop Max and there are more supporting cast members to come. Kulan Gath is the big bad but here is a business mogul with eyes and cronies everywhere.

#1 had Sonja facing off with the cops, getting shot in the shoulder, taken down and bundled off to a mental hospital on Gath’s orders. There, Gath’s minions made an attempt on her life but she busted loose and fled to Central Park, grabbing that jacket on the way.

#2 is out next week; I’ve seen most of the pages and it is absolutely fucking incredible. In contrast to Gail Simone’s butt monkey Sonja, here Amy’s giving us a She-Devil who relishes being in a totally alien land and acclimatises to it in record time. Chu’s admitted to not being much of a Sonja fan, outside of the Simone run, but she’s gone back to the classic version of the character. That’s not to say her stories aren’t funny … actually, #2 is the funniest ‘Red Sonja’ story I’ve ever read. There’s none of Simone’s self-referential, knowing humour, it’s more organic. Max, who speaks basic Hyrkanian, calls Sonja ‘naked lady’. There’s a great sequence where, deprived of her sword, Sonja has to catch a duck in Central Park with a wooden spear for her dinner and a guy out walking his dog spots her. Sonja keeps a low profile but in no time, attracts attention to herself in a bar with her unique abilities and goes viral on social media, alerting Gath to her presence – there are pics of the bar patrons posing for selfies with a nonplussed She-Devil.

The action also continues to be kinetic. After the cool escape scene in #1, there’s an even cooler bar scrap in #2 with some outstanding work from Gomez. Chu’s Sonja is also a real force to be reckoned with. On arriving at the bar and necking a beer, she proceeds to crush a load of big guys at arm wrestling (after having been shot in the shoulder in the previous issue, mind). The bar scrap isn’t a few panels of punches and kicks, oh no. Sonja tosses a fucking TABLE one-handed right across the bar into a giant thug with zero effort and in the next panel, slams his head together with that of another huge guy. Amy’s Sonja is a powerhouse … she’s said in a writer’s commentary that if Sonja were healthy, it would take more than three big guys to take her down.

So, yeah, this comic gets my highest recommendation. It’s due to go on for another 3 issues after next week’s but I’m hoping Chu and Gomez stick around after that. Apart from moans about the cheesecake art and the setting, the run’s been getting pretty damn good reviews so far. Chu seems to really love writing Sonja and it’d be interesting to see what she could do with her in a more traditional setting.

I’m getting the comics via Comixology … does anyone know how to post scans from there or is it proof against that kind of jiggery-pokery? If there’s a way to do so, I’ll happily post a few scans here.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Kallor on February 02, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
I just bought them on Comixology after reading your post, so I'll let you know what I think soon.  I also noticed that there are a ton of Red Sonja series available on Comixology Unlimited, so it looks like I'll be able to check out the Simone and Bennet runs too if I want.

As far as posting screens from comixology, the only way I know of is to screenshot the page (I read my comics on an ipad pro) and then take it from your synced photos folder.  The more tech savvy here may have a more direct method.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 02, 2017, 09:42:27 PM
Thanks a lot, buddy, and I hope you enjoy all three Sonja series. It's very early days for Chu's run but for me, it thrashes the others by a country mile. I've been a Sonja fan since the Marvel days though ... the
 Simone series seemed to appeal more to newbies. Dunno how much Sonja stuff you've read up to now.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Gree on February 03, 2017, 02:30:45 AM
Didn't Simone power her down?
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 03, 2017, 09:33:50 AM
Didn't Simone power her down?

Yep, big time, although she kept her hunting abilities at their old levels. She said that Sonja was an incredibly gifted tracker and archer IIRC.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: MTL76 on February 03, 2017, 11:05:39 PM
I was a bit surprised at how easily the cops took down Sonja. Sure, she was disoriented and didn't know what guns were, but a handful of cops shouldn't be able to just wrestle her to the ground.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 03, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
I was a bit surprised at how easily the cops took down Sonja. Sure, she was disoriented and didn't know what guns were, but a handful of cops shouldn't be able to just wrestle her to the ground.

True but she'd just been shot and Max was calming her down when they jumped her. In the commentary, Amy said it took 3 big cops to tackle even a wounded Sonja and at her best, it would take more. Later in the issue, she was too much for that gigantic orderly to handle and he looked to be damn near seven feet tall.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: MTL76 on February 03, 2017, 11:44:23 PM
I was a bit surprised at how easily the cops took down Sonja. Sure, she was disoriented and didn't know what guns were, but a handful of cops shouldn't be able to just wrestle her to the ground.

True but she'd just been shot and Max was calming her down when they jumped her. In the commentary, Amy said it took 3 big cops to tackle even a wounded Sonja and at her best, it would take more. Later in the issue, she was too much for that gigantic orderly to handle and he looked to be damn near seven feet tall.

I know, I know... But going forward I expect her to be tossing motherfuckers through walls.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 04, 2017, 12:17:22 AM
I was a bit surprised at how easily the cops took down Sonja. Sure, she was disoriented and didn't know what guns were, but a handful of cops shouldn't be able to just wrestle her to the ground.

True but she'd just been shot and Max was calming her down when they jumped her. In the commentary, Amy said it took 3 big cops to tackle even a wounded Sonja and at her best, it would take more. Later in the issue, she was too much for that gigantic orderly to handle and he looked to be damn near seven feet tall.

I know, I know... But going forward I expect her to be tossing motherfuckers through walls.

Wait for #2...

After that she'll prolly get her sword back so she'll be slicing and dicing again
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 04, 2017, 12:19:22 AM
In the meantime ...

www.cbr.com/savage-tales-10
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Gree on February 04, 2017, 02:24:48 AM
I was a bit surprised at how easily the cops took down Sonja. Sure, she was disoriented and didn't know what guns were, but a handful of cops shouldn't be able to just wrestle her to the ground.

Same. I want a female Conan
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 05, 2017, 09:21:24 AM
Savage tales.  I'll have to look for that.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 05, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Savage tales.  I'll have to look for that.

It's available as a trade paperback with the Sonja annuals and "Giant Size Red Sonjas" up to that point. Should be fairly cheap and it's definitely worth a look, although some stories are better than others
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: JookDukem on February 06, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
Explain this Red Sonja character?

Is she Xena and shit or is she way more doper like a Sister of Battle from WarHammer 40k?
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 07, 2017, 05:24:29 AM
Explain this Red Sonja character?

Is she Xena and shit or is she way more doper like a Sister of Battle from WarHammer 40k?

What?  You've never read Red Sonja?  She's been based in Conan's time period for the most part and has quiet a few stories with him over the years.  So, you do get the sword and sorcery spin for her also.  I think for the most part stories with her are pretty good.  Right now Dynamite is printing Red Sonja.  In the past it was Marvel. 
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 08, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
Explain this Red Sonja character?

Is she Xena and shit or is she way more doper like a Sister of Battle from WarHammer 40k?

What?  You've never read Red Sonja?  She's been based in Conan's time period for the most part and has quiet a few stories with him over the years.  So, you do get the sword and sorcery spin for her also.  I think for the most part stories with her are pretty good.  Right now Dynamite is printing Red Sonja.  In the past it was Marvel.

He's being funny.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 08, 2017, 04:59:12 PM
OK, so the issue came out today, and it totally lived up to my expectations. On top of the recap I already posted…



SPOILERS



After Gath sends his people after Sonja, her cop buddy Max finds her in the Harlem bar first, crashed out drunk with her new drinking buddies. I’m guessing he found her pretty damn quickly, as six foot tall redheads (as he describes her to the bar lady) aren’t that commonplace in Harlem. Some time has elapsed, though, as the bar lady asks if Max is settling her tab, which is … $837?!? And all her’s, apparently. They show the receipt … Sonja sank 279 beers by herself. That’s fucking hardcore, man.

Sidenote: when Max is describing Sonja, he doesn’t start talking about metal bikinis. It’s interesting but since the ‘naked lady’ stuff at the beginning of #1, Amy Chu hasn’t mentioned Sonja’s scanty outfit at all. Even Luis doesn’t comment on it when he challenges her to the armwrestle, his buddy just calls her ‘the pretty lady’, and while she attracts a bit of attention on the Harlem streets, nobody takes a second look at her in the bar. I get the sense that Amy’s doing everything she can to take the spotlight off Sonja’s costume; in early interviews, she acknowledged Sonja was back in those togs but skilfully dodged around questions like ‘So isn’t Sonja’s butt going to get cold on the subway?’ I think the costume change in Marguerite Bennett’s series was a resounding failure, so Dynamite have restored Sonja’s classic look, but Amy’s focussing on the story. Even Carlos Gomez has slightly played down the T&A shots in this issue, at least while Sonja’s in public. There’s a big difference between this issue and #0, where there are at least 3 panels of Sonja leaping into action, with her loincloth flapping around and her buttcheeks on full display.

Anyway, I digress.

Gath’s agents turn up … the two mammoths from the mental hospital scene and some Matrix-looking agents. They accuse the barwoman of harbouring an illegal alien or some such, she calls them out and brings up the Matrix thing (I think the lead agent’s even called ‘Smith’). One of the big guys goes to grab Sonja but Luis wakes up, and that’s where we came in with the barfight.
After Max and Sonja escape, they jump on Max’ motorbike and speed away, with Max telling Sonja to stop moving around and her yelling what fun she’s had. Don’t forget this woman knocked back 279 beers by herself not long before. No sign of a hangover … not only that but she stays on the back of a speeding bike without holding on  AND in the fight, she chucked a table across a bar into a big goon with one hand. Fucking hardcore, man. Conan’s got nothing on this. She left that stolen jacket in the bar though, how careless.
Then we have a few pages in Max’ apartment – he wakes up with a bad head, saying he didn’t even have anything to drink. Sonja’s sat there, fresh as a daisy, butt naked and enthusing about the ‘magic tablet’ (TV). She’s managed to work the remote by herself, another sign of her smarts. Chu talked in interviews about how Sonja was a warrior and not an intellectual but she’s so much cannier here than she was under Gail Simone.

Max is aghast at Sonja’s nakedosity and throws her a robe, with her being confused about why being in the buff is unacceptable. REALLY funny interplay here. We learn more about Max’ background … his parents died when he was a baby and he was found by another family during a blackout like the one in #0, which preceded Sonja’s arrival. Looks like Max might be from Sonja’s own world…
Max was never really accepted at school but turned to magic, learning a neat trick with a coin, spinning it fast enough to disappear. Probably the weakest page of the comic here, I’m not sure why it needed a whole page but I imagine this coin thing will turn out to be important later on. Sonja’s contempt for Max’ magical ability is amusing though.

Finally, Max tells Sonja to take a bath, she reeks. We get a really funny panel with Sonja in the tub, rhapsodising about the ability to get hot water without a fire; the bathroom door is wide open and Max is desperately trying to look elsewhere. Max says he’s taking the garbage out but suggests Sonja might want to think about closing the door.

Last page: Gath’s agents have found Max outside on the street and are chasing him!!! Those two big gorillas have bandages around their heads from Sonja’s double noggin knocker.

Next issue, Sonja will inevitably spring to the rescue. One of the preview panels on Carlos’ page shows her battling the agents (in her leather jacket and chainmail bikini) with Max in the background (still with his garbage bag). Intriguingly, she’s wielding a sword … wonder whether Max keeps one in the ironing cupboard. It looks like a katana, rather than Sonja’s usual broadsword. She’s meant to get her weapons back in #3 but I wonder if Carlos had to go back and change this panel.

Overall, a fucking great issue … by far the best in this series and it stomps all over anything Gail Simone did with the character. This is definitely the flat-out funniest Sonja issue I’ve ever read and the action was amazing for being so brief. Like I said elsewhere, a lesser writer would just show Sonja throwing a few punches but Amy’s much more imaginative.

Highest recommendation. Chu and Gomez had better stay on this comic for a while.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Dlbiininja on February 08, 2017, 09:10:02 PM
Fuck, I'm working in Portland this week.  Have to call the book store to make my picks this week.  And make sure they add that.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: MTL76 on February 09, 2017, 10:29:21 AM
I liked this issue better.

I agree, Max definitely comes from Sonya's world.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 09, 2017, 02:25:17 PM
This one's been scoring pretty well on reviews, mainly 4/5. Given what a bad rep Dynamite has, that's almost miraculous. Most attention has gone to Sonja's carousing but those last few pages at Max' were the standout for me.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 09, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
If not, why not? It is fucking AWESOME.
I've been quietly reading (not spamming) this thread, getting more curious by the post. The book seems to have many of the things i enjoy (red heads, action, humor, genre mixing, good art).
Read the series online this morning and man, you were on point. This is great stuff, thanks for turning me on to it.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 09, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
If not, why not? It is fucking AWESOME.
I've been quietly reading (not spamming) this thread, getting more curious by the post. The book seems to have many of the things i enjoy (red heads, action, humor, genre mixing, good art).
Read the series online this morning and man, you were on point. This is great stuff, thanks for turning me on to it.

You are more than welcome. I've started on some fanart of this series.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 09, 2017, 07:24:09 PM
Oh cool, hope you post some!

I got my spouse to read the issues after i finished downloading them and she dug them too. This is pretty entertaining stuff; fun comics are in short supply nowadays.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 09, 2017, 10:03:00 PM
Sonja's return to her old togs has turned off a lot of readers, particularly female ones, but Amy Chu is working damn hard to take the emphasis away from that. She clearly loves Carlos Gomez as an artist but she talks about how great he is at action sequences and expressions. Glad your spouse liked it too!
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 09, 2017, 11:57:43 PM
The bikini's a classic, these fembots need to unclench.

Again, thanks. When's the next issue come out, btw?
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 10, 2017, 09:55:05 AM
Another fucking five weeks away ... 15th March, I think. The following ish is another 5 wks after that. At least the comics are turning up on their scheduled release date though, Dynamite used to be terrible about that in the past.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 10, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Whoo, 5 weeks is harsh! But yeah, could be worse. I HATE shitty release schedules.
I'll mark the 15th on my calender.
If you get around to posting some art, i'll surely check it out.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 10, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
Whoo, 5 weeks is harsh! But yeah, could be worse. I HATE shitty release schedules.
I'll mark the 15th on my calender.
If you get around to posting some art, i'll surely check it out.

Here you go, buddy!

http://conradknightsocks.deviantart.com/art/Red-Sonja-busts-heads-662369322

I'll be working on the second panel over the weekend...
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 10, 2017, 02:22:16 PM
Neat thanks -thumbs up-
Is that you as Gaston cuz thats awesome!
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 10, 2017, 02:46:11 PM
Neat thanks -thumbs up-
Is that you as Gastuon cuz thats awesome!

Fraid so! That's the point when I realised I needed to do some serious work on my arms!
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 10, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
I'd trade an inch offa mine for a bit of your skill with a pencil. I'm strictly a doodler.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 12, 2017, 06:46:22 AM
I'd trade an inch offa mine for a bit of your skill with a pencil. I'm strictly a doodler.

 :)

BTW,  the next ish might be 5 wks away but with the last issue, Google Books posted preview pages about 10 days ahead of the release date. They included snippets of script so it was quite easy to uncover preview pages I shouldn't have done
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Kallor on February 12, 2017, 08:39:40 AM
Looking on Comixology Unlimited, it appears that they have the first couple trades available for "free" of most Sonja series, there's 6 or 7 issues of the Marvel Roy Thomas stuff in the 70's, the Dynamite launch (looks like Oeming is the writer), "Queen Sonja", Simone, Bennet, the first Conan/Red Sonja crossover and various one-shots and minis like Revenge of the Gods and Black Tower.  Anything I should read, or just that you'd recommend, before jumping into Chu's series?
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 12, 2017, 11:51:01 AM
Oeming's run was fucking awesome, at least the first 20 issues or so - great stories and Mel Rubi's art was beautiful, like Cary Nord's Conan work. I HIGHLY recommend Oeming/Carey's run. People rave about the Marvel stuff but I find it a bit silly and dated. The best mini is Red Sonja: Blue - in fact, I think it's the best Sonja story ever period. Anything by Eric Trautmann is really good, he did his homework on the Hyborian Age and took it seriously. Doom of the Gods is REALLY bleak but I loved it myself. Luke Lieberman's work is generally pretty good too.

Queen Sonja was very good as well but obvs more about Sonja as ruler and general than as adventurer. The recent Vulture's Circle got good reviews but I didn't read it ... it's about a much older Sonja.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 14, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
I havent enjoyed a lot of (the admittedly little) Sonja stuff i've come across outside the old Marvel stuff until now. A lot of its on me, though. I have to be in a certain headspace for some characters.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 18, 2017, 12:09:40 PM
Amy Chu just sent Bleeding Cool a commentary for this issue. Her commentaries are always an interesting insight into the process behind her stories.

In this case and of relevance to Sonja's abilities, Amy said she did indeed include the duck kill as a demo of Sonja's brute strength and accuracy and to show her destructive abilities without having her hurt a human.

Amy toyed with having a wrestling match instead of an armwrestling match but she went with the latter so as not to disrupt the flow of the scene and to keep in the same location.  I think she definitely made the right choice ... how many bars do you walk into with actual wrestling matches going on? Yet I've had a few armwrestles at pubs myself, one of them even against a former SHC poster. Also, if the ultimate aim is to show off Sonja's strength, it's harder to play the "skill" card with an armwrestle.

Interestingly,  Amy fessed up that there was a typo on the bar tab and Sonja didn'the actually knock back 270+ beers ... she intended to write her matching Andre the Giant's record of 119. The wrong beer price went on the tab. Amy's no-prize explanation was that Sonja bought a few rounds for her new friends.

Lastly, and it doesn't necessarily mean much, Chu off handedly refers to Sonja as a "superhuman" on the commentary to one page...
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 18, 2017, 01:33:11 PM
^^^Thats really good stuff!

Too bad that duck had to suffer, though. I liked the arm wrestle too; a wrestling match really would have seemed odd!
The beer, in triple digits is impressive no matter how you slice it. I once drank 99 and a bottle of Jim Beam in a 4 day weekend and almost died. No Prize explanation...thats awesome.
The superhuman remark doesnt really bug me.
Characters like her and Conan ARE superhuman.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on February 27, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
#0 is available for free on Bleeding Cool now. It's not a great issue - mainly a demo of Gomez' art and even then, his art improves as the series goes on, with more detailed backgrounds and less emphasis on the She-Devil Devil's buttocks. There are a couple of weird inconsistencies with the art and story ... OTOH this is the only point in the series so far that Sonja's drawn blood with her sword. Worth a look for free, anyway, and if you enjoy this, you'll love the later issues.

Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on February 27, 2017, 10:24:57 PM
Issue#0 was a low key set up for whats become a fun ride.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on March 17, 2017, 07:33:56 PM
#3 is out but IMO it's a bit 'meh' compared with the previous ish. It's got some really fun moments but it's mostly setting up Sonja's confrontation with Kulan Gath.

Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on March 18, 2017, 05:12:58 AM
I kida dug it. It was a chance for Sonja to get her bearings, which she really needed.
I also like the characters introduced and the humor. Man, so glad you got me into this!
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on April 20, 2017, 11:12:10 AM
Downloaded issue 4, havent read it yet, though.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 20, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
It's good ... definitely better than #3 IMO.  The Comic Bastards reviewer, who hasn't really liked the series up to now, reckoned it was by far the best issue yet.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Kallor on April 20, 2017, 10:50:51 PM
I thought the Max reveal was a little rushed, he's just like "I remember" and that's that without any real surprised reaction from him other than anger at Gath.  I guess there's no real reason to draw it out, but it felt like an underdone moment.  Overall good issue, the wait for these hurts.  Do you get these digitally or physical?  The digital versions of #3 and #4 have all the covers, and the cosplay covers are pretty good.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on April 21, 2017, 04:59:36 AM
^^^Yeah i'm going digital, and you're right about the covers, i really like them.
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It's good ... definitely better than #3 IMO.
Thats good! 3 was the only one you havent been hyped on.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 21, 2017, 10:23:03 AM
Digital for me but I WILL be getting the trade when it’s out in July.

#3 was OK but it seemed a bit ambitious … there was too much to cram in to get Sonja face-to-face with Kulan Gath in the space of an issue, and it seemed to silly to do stuff like throwing in a whole half-page of Sonja showing off her new outfit when there was so little space and she was going to be back in the scalemail bikini 5 pages later anyway.

I feel there was also a great opportunity to chuck in a couple of nice fight scenes in #3 but the fights were really rushed. This series is still missing a really good fight scene. Micheal Oeming and Mel Rubi, in the original Dynamite Red Sonja run, used to have at least one fucking amazing fight scene every single issue, but all the fights so far this series have been restricted to about 3 panels.

Despite all the hype from Dynamite, I don’t think the Max reveal should’ve been a surprise to any readers but yeah, his reaction was a bit muted. I loved the sepia page showing his childhood; apparently that was an art experiment by Carlos which really worked IMO. What’ll be interesting now will be to see whether Max eventually goes back to the Hyborean Age with Sonja. He’s grown up in the modern era and enjoys all its comforts but he said he’s always been an outsider, and doesn’t appear to have any friends other than Jay. I’d like to see Sonja with a Joxer-style sidekick.

It’s gonna be a while before we get there though. I saw the solicit for #7 the other day, and Sonja’s STILL in the USA, apparently going on a roadtrip with Max to try to find a way home. I suspect that the original plan was to finish this run up at #5; in an early interview, Amy said it would last 6 issues. We’re up to #7 though, with Amy still on the book and Sonja still in America. I think sales and the critical reception have really pleased Dynamite and they’ve asked Amy to stay on, and she in return has asked to keep Sonja in America a bit longer because she’s more comfortable writing her in that environment. She’s been doing tons of research on Marvel Sonja, so I reckon she’ll eventually take the She-Devil back home … but not for the time being. Apparently, #3 outsold #2, which everyone was really pleased about, and sales have at least matched, if not surpassed, those of Gail Simone’s Sonja at the same stage. That’s pretty good going.

The good news for anyone missing Sonja in her traditional setting is there’s a one-shot out in a couple of weeks by Erik Burnham and Tom Mandrake called ‘The Long Walk To Oblivion’, which will act as a prequel to the current storyline and showing the Meruvians seeking Sonja’s help against Gath. I think the style will be very different from the main book … Mandrake’s style is much darker and more brooding than Gomez’ and I think this will be a much more serious tale but hopefully it’ll be pretty good nonetheless.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on April 21, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
its a (very pleasant!) surprise to hear about issue 7. I was going in what i'd read (6 issues) after you started this thread. Should be fun.

I agree on the fight scenes, though so far, it hasnt detracted from my enjoyment. I AM hoping for her to just cut loose and scare the shit out of everyone in the finale though.

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What’ll be interesting now will be to see whether Max eventually goes back to the Hyborean Age with Sonja. He’s grown up in the modern era and enjoys all its comforts but he said he’s always been an outsider, and doesn’t appear to have any friends other than Jay. I’d like to see Sonja with a Joxer-style sidekick.
I'd like it if he went, too. He could be the filter Amy needs to help her write a 'period piece' so to speak.
I'd understand if he stays though.
Modern living trumps barbaric; like Howard the Duck shows, everyone's trapped in a world they never made, and one good friend is more than a lot of people have!
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 21, 2017, 12:14:56 PM
its a (very pleasant!) surprise to hear about issue 7. I was going in what i'd read (6 issues) after you started this thread. Should be fun.

I agree on the fight scenes, though so far, it hasnt detracted from my enjoyment. I AM hoping for her to just cut loose and scare the shit out of everyone in the finale though.

I'm not convinced we're going to see too much more fighting in this arc, although I could be wrong. I think most of the focus now will be on Gath and his Demon Beast vs the good guys, although since Sonja will be of limited use in a magical scrap between Gath and Max, maybe she'll hold off his minions. Who knows?

It's been 5 weeks between issues for the 3 issues but only 4 until the next one. Amy did an interview about #5 but managed to reveal absolutely nothing about it, other than Sonja's going to ride a motorbike again. There are 3 or 4 preview panels on Carlos' page on Instgram but they don't reveal a whole lot except...




















SPOILERS





















Sonja and Max are going to hook up with Jay, Spike and Holly, and end up in Coney Island. There's also a panel seemingly showing Jay shooting at the Demon Beast, so presumably it's going to fight the cops in the streets of New York.

The main cover for #7 shows that Sonja's might be changing up her a look a bit for her trip across the States ... she's wearing a leather jacket and trousers, with the jacket open at the waist to show off her chainmail bikini top underneath. Quite a 70s exploitation movie look, I like it.

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I'd like it if he went, too. He could be the filter Amy needs to help her write a 'period piece' so to speak.
I'd understand if he stays though.
Modern living trumps barbaric; like Howard the Duck shows, everyone's trapped in a world they never made, and one good friend is more than a lot of people have!

I think Amy's worked so hard with Max, I can't see her leaving him in the modern world. She hinted on Twitter that she's written alternative endings.

The humour that works best in 'Red Sonja' IMO is the fractuous banter between Sonja and Max, and general observations about the clash between modern culture and Sonja's own. It can get a little too knowing on occasion but when it works, it works really well. 'Red Sonja' really had many amusing moments since Dynamite took it on in 2005, so I'd like to see Amy continue to bring the funny.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on April 21, 2017, 12:34:04 PM
You are really well informed, and i love spoilers so thanks.
You have a good grasp on what makes the humor work. I hope it keeps up, too.
Couldnt find any of the art you referred to, but this one for issue 5

https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/TNRSvol405CovAMcKone.jpg

Is pretty damn epic.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 21, 2017, 03:56:02 PM
You are really well informed, and i love spoilers so thanks.
You have a good grasp on what makes the humor work. I hope it keeps up, too.
Couldnt find any of the art you referred to, but this one for issue 5

https://www.dynamicforces.com/images/TNRSvol405CovAMcKone.jpg

Is pretty damn epic.

Yeah, that's a great cover. I LOVED McKone's covers for #2 and 3 as well. Not so much #4 and in his cover for #6, Sonja looks like a 12 year old with Lion-O's hairstyle.

Solicits for #7 are here, together with McKone's cool cover (it's the top one):

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/15/exclusive-first-look-dynamites-heroes-fighters-comics-shipping-july-2017/
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 21, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Oh, and I'm not that well-informed ...  there's a guy I discuss Sonja with a lot on deviantART who knows more about the character than anyone. He's an excellent judge of how well a writer's doing and he's really enjoying Amy Chu's run.

I keep an eye out for any interviews or reviews about 'Red Sonja' because it's not that well-known a comic and so doesn't get all that much coverage. Everyone's heard of the character but relatively few read the comic. Gail Simone got tons of publicity when she jumped on board because she's so famous but otherwise, I think people are generally just aware the comic's rolling on.

It's a shame because this run is fucking fantastic IMO. Yeah, if you don't like the old 'barbarian ends up in the modern world' chestnut, it's probably not going to be for you but not only is it different from every barbarian time travel story I've read, it's different from pretty much any Sonja story that's come before it. It's just so much funnier and full of life. It's a real breath of fresh air after Gail Simone's experiment in PC failed miserably and after Simone seemingly used her own run to vent about what exactly she hated about the character and the overall genre. People don't read 'Red Sonja' for restraint and introspective moments, they read it for balls-out action and a babe in a metal bikini swinging a sword. There's a lot of talk about the female readership but even feminist extraordinaire Gail Simone's Sonja spent half her run in the bikini, the character's incredibly popular with cosplayers, and loads of female fans state that they don't care what Sonja wears as long as she drives the plot and kicks arse. Sales are way up on the last volume, so it seems Dynamite has hit on the right formula with the current team.

I'm just really glad you're enjoying the book as much as I am.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: Sick Nick on April 21, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
As for spoilers, Amy Chu does everything she can to avoid divulging anything, even in interviews about upcoming issues. Carlis Gomez puts up the odd tantalising preview on Instagram, usually unlettered. .. he's cunning about what he posts so it's really difficult to piece the story together. For example, most of his previews for #4 were of Gath standing around, bar a pic of Sonja leaping into action, a flashback to the destruction of Meru and a panel showing the museum on fire.
Title: Re: Is anyone reading the current series of ‘Red Sonja’?
Post by: riv6672 on April 22, 2017, 05:00:56 AM
Sounds like you have this on lock, though.
Been a long time since i've enjoyed a series this much. Your enthusiasm is catchy!