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Title: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 09:35:17 AM
http://observer.com/2016/10/breaking-dnc-chief-donna-brazile-leaked-sanders-info-to-clinton-campaign/

It just does not stop with these vile manipulative fucks.

I never wanted two people to be president less than the two choices we have now
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 09:48:09 AM
I think this should become infinite thread of evil politicians....
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 11, 2016, 09:58:59 AM
Remember when rock lost his mind over the Sanders campaign accessing Clinton files?  Remember when Sanders fired all those people from his.campaign?


I love the media isnt covering any of this. Msnbc has been in the bag for Clinton from the start.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 10:35:26 AM
Most major media outlets have been. CNN of course. People covering Clinton like Andrea Mitchell are up her ass. Even NPR seemed to be pressing the scales for Clinton during the primary, which I really found surprising. Hell, Donna Brazile was the one to provide commentary on one of the primary debates. It was disgusting to see how bias she was, pretending to be impartial and all the while she was doing this shit.

But Clinton supporters continually tell me "she's no worse than any other politician, she just gets it worse cause she's a woman." Fuck that. She makes Dick Cheney look like honest Abe.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Listening to the radio now and they're harping on Trump's gafs, which are fun, great, who cares. Is anyone going to cover Hillary's corruption? I mean they talk about it like "well these things well follow her" as though it shouldn't and poor Hillary having to put up with it. What a clusterfuck of an election.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 11, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
I loved that MSNBC had Joy Reid's racist nigger ass trying to convince everyone that Sanders couldn't appeal to black voters.  Except any black voter that has half a brain knows he was the better choice.  Literally every chance she was on the air she made this claim while sucking Hillary's clit from the start.


Then you look no farther than Chris Matthews interview where he with his bitch ass annoying voice grills Sanders without letting him answer, then immediately afterwards fawns over Clinton and laughs like  a schoolboy as he tosses her the softest of softballs.


Then Alex Wagner was forced to admit she was a Hillary shrill by Bill Maher on real time.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 11, 2016, 12:05:48 PM
Listening to the radio now and they're harping on Trump's gafs, which are fun, great, who cares. Is anyone going to cover Hillary's corruption? I mean they talk about it like "well these things well follow her" as though it shouldn't and poor Hillary having to put up with it. What a clusterfuck of an election.

The Rothschilds are backing only one candidate. What else do you expect?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
Listening to the radio now and they're harping on Trump's gafs, which are fun, great, who cares. Is anyone going to cover Hillary's corruption? I mean they talk about it like "well these things well follow her" as though it shouldn't and poor Hillary having to put up with it. What a clusterfuck of an election.

Hillary has bought the large majority of mainstream press, so they won't jump on her. There's tens of emails where they're blatantly talking about having moderators and newspapers in their pockets, giving specific names, and talking about how they're going to promote some stories, minimize others, etc. She also had the questions before her debate with Bernie (same thing that happened in her first debate with Trump).

She has paid people all over the internet to correct the record. Here's what they say internally about some of them:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/141
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Correct the Record’s staff (18 and counting) is crammed into a newsroom-style bullpen in the back corner of the offices of American Bridge 21st Century, Brock’s Super-PAC. “They’re always there; they’re always working around the clock,” former Clinton White House adviser Paul Begala says of the crew. “I always tease David that he finds all of these nerd virgins and locks them away in a vault where they never see sunlight or have a drink or get laid. But God Bless them!”

I think some of the Hillary supporters on this site can get some serious cash if they're serious about this. I'm looking at rock.

Bonus round:

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Hacked e-mails from Wikileaks appear to show Clinton campaign spokesman in touch with DOJ officials regarding e-mail litigation:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/785845815373856768

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John Podesta about Crooked Hillary: " I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion."

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433

3). https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4637

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John, I'm retired male veteran, college grad, businessman and lifelong Democrat. I support Hillary as I know she's FAR more competent than Senator Sanders.

I'll be honest, I could support Donald Trump in a general election despite all the warts. Reasons?
*Trumps will get things done. Hillary will rely on triangulation which probably won't work in 2017. Backbone will.
*I'm a dinosaur to the Democratic Party..white, southern, vereran, male senior. Party leaders like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Karen Finney, etal make that blatantly apparent.  I don't need my assed kissed. I would like to have my ilk shown a tiny bit of respect by the leaders of the Hillary campaign.
  Respectfully,  Mr. Dana Folsom Augusta, Ga

4). https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5344

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HuffPo writer Michelle Kraus write to Podesta discussing how to "get ahead of the narrative" on the email server issue, because it was "alive and well" in Silicon Valley back in June 2015.
Frankly, if we can get ahead of the narrative on this email issue then we can shape the discussion on trust.
COLLUSION WITH MEDIA
Please know that I can suggest a draft or comment on staff work, if you want me to do so. This is your strategic wheel house so I defer to your advice and counsel.
MEDIA OFFERING FURTHER COLLUSION

I could go on, and on, and on.

I don't know what the temperature is in the United States, and how you see it from there, but from Europe, this is seen as blatant Soviet Russia like propaganda and corruption.


Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 12:25:10 PM
Well I'm at least glad of that. In the US most people in the liberal whatever places like NYC are more or as about interested in the corruption as Rock or Safado. Many see her as a "victim" of a patriarchal society anytime anyone brings up any of the horrible things about her. "If she was a man, nobody would care" etc, and various other excuses. It's heartbreaking and awful. And then our other choice is Trump. What the actual fuck?!
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 12:30:23 PM
That's why Hillary wanted him, because it was one of the few she could win against, due to people thinking emotionally, and not based on facts. She knows that people are more swayed emotionally than logically, thus why a locker room comment, as it's called, is more damaging to Trump than the fact that Hillary has literally shamed Bill Clinton's rape victims, one of her top contributors is Saudi Arabia who decapitates gays and emotionally and physically abuses women, that she is a warmonger who has contributed to destabilizing the middle east and the massive recent development of ISIS thread, that she is corrupt, that she is a blatant liar, that she is above the law etc. The fact that she is a woman helps a lot, too.

I acknowledge that a shitload of women will vote for her solely for her genitals, but it's still astonishing to think about. The fact that the first woman president is one of the worst women in public history should be the absolute opposite any self respecting woman would want.

Anyway, I'm following this from a distance, and in a way I'm glad I'm not there, because I'd be furious.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 12:33:41 PM
You sound like me. And being in the midst of it does make me furious. What you say is exactly right. The first woman president will be possibly the most despicable representative of women possible.

Also the media spins covering the negative shit about her to make her out to be "strong" to deal with all the terrible things people say about her. Basically if you read Rock's posts and imagine they were spell checked you'd get the general atmosphere of most of the media outlets in this country.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
Just saw your edit and that all pretty much mirrors my assessment of things as well
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
You sound like me. And being in the midst of it does make me furious. What you say is exactly right. The first woman president will be possibly the most despicable representative of women possible.

Also the media spins covering the negative shit about her to make her out to be "strong" to deal with all the terrible things people say about her. Basically if you read Rock's posts and imagine they were spell checked you'd get the general atmosphere of most of the media outlets in this country.

Yeah, I know. I'm only getting snippets from the internet of what CNN, MSNBC and the rest are showing 24/7, and it's really shockingly biased. The media are carrying her to the White House.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 11, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
Bwut Hiwawee had mor votes doe!
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 11, 2016, 12:48:54 PM
Most major media outlets have been. CNN of course. People covering Clinton like Andrea Mitchell are up her ass. Even NPR seemed to be pressing the scales for Clinton during the primary, which I really found surprising. Hell, Donna Brazile was the one to provide commentary on one of the primary debates. It was disgusting to see how bias she was, pretending to be impartial and all the while she was doing this shit.

But Clinton supporters continually tell me "she's no worse than any other politician, she just gets it worse cause she's a woman." Fuck that. She makes Dick Cheney look like honest Abe.

https://www.theguardian.com/international
http://www.bbc.com/news

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 11, 2016, 01:25:27 PM
Most major media outlets have been. CNN of course. People covering Clinton like Andrea Mitchell are up her ass. Even NPR seemed to be pressing the scales for Clinton during the primary, which I really found surprising. Hell, Donna Brazile was the one to provide commentary on one of the primary debates. It was disgusting to see how bias she was, pretending to be impartial and all the while she was doing this shit.

But Clinton supporters continually tell me "she's no worse than any other politician, she just gets it worse cause she's a woman." Fuck that. She makes Dick Cheney look like honest Abe.

https://www.theguardian.com/international
http://www.bbc.com/news

You're welcome.

Wtf is any of this supposed to be?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
What Letters said. It looks pretty similar to the content in the States
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 11, 2016, 02:05:50 PM
Both BBC news and the Guardian are considered high standard news sources with great amounts of investigative journalism under their hood.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 11, 2016, 02:09:12 PM
Yeah and my friend says the New York Times can do no wrong and I yet ther bias was crystal clear during the primaries.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 11, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
Hillary Clinton supporters genuinely hate America, its official.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
Yeah and my friend says the New York Times can do no wrong and I yet ther bias was crystal clear during the primaries.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/new-york-times-gave-hillary-veto/

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The Clinton camp also objected to using a quote in which the candidate said that "gay rights has moved much faster than women's rights or civil rights, which is an interesting phenomenon somebody in the future will unpack."

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The email exchange also indicates that Palmieri misunderstood the terms of the agreement. She wrote that she thought the campaign would be able to pick the quotes that would be used. Leibovich responded, "I wanted the option to use all — and you could veto what you didn't want. That's why I selected the 5 or 6 I sent to you...The moose is good, but I'd really love to use the other things I sent, too. They were all on point. Sorry for mis-communique here, but do you think you can check?"

Palmieri seemed satisfied.

"Pleasure doing business!" she wrote.

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Bonus:

Guess what Hillary's campaign/foundation and ISIS have in common?

(https://i.sli.mg/JRbkNs.jpg)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 04:52:58 PM
Hillary Clinton supporters genuinely hate America, its official.
It's brainwashing, through media and diverting attention. Keeping people dumb.

Here, they've actually talked about this in the e-mails between themselves.
(http://i0.wp.com/hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/101016email.jpg?resize=558%2C488)


With that said, I'll just leave this piece of stand-up by genius George Carlin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

Those words are the summary of what is experienced now.

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 11, 2016, 05:13:26 PM
Doesn't matter philosophia.  The liberals have their team, as long as their team wins it doesn't matter how corrupt they are. Willful lambs to the slaughter.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 11, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
The sad part is, this was a rare opportunity for people to see what is going on behind the scenes, all of the corruption, lying, population manipulation, power plays etc. and act accordingly.

You can be sure that after all of this is done, they will assume full control so that nothing like it will ever happen again (it's already happening as we speak, with censorship on Twitter/Facebook and Google manipulating search results. The media is just the beginning). It's highly improbable that information leaks like these will ever take place in the future.

If people actually ignore this and allow themselves to be stepped on once again, well, they only have themselves to blame for whatever happens.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Rufio on October 11, 2016, 06:23:11 PM
Hillary Clinton supporters genuinely hate America, its official.
It's brainwashing, through media and diverting attention. Keeping people dumb.

Here, they've actually talked about this in the e-mails between themselves.
(http://i0.wp.com/hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/101016email.jpg?resize=558%2C488)


With that said, I'll just leave this piece of stand-up by genius George Carlin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ

Those words are the summary of what is experienced now.


That Bill Ivey quote was talking about political society at large keeping voters uninformed and compliant. He wasn't talking about the Hillary Clinton campaign in isolation.

His analysis is actually pretty accurate. The reason why Sanders was interesting is that he exploded the carefully crafted vagueness of the primary "debates." Trump did the same to a much lesser degree, on a few issues related to trade and terrorism. Hillary didn't cause modern politics to be a parade of non-information. She's just trying to skillfully play the game under the existing rules. Ivey was talking about what those rules have been and how they're changing.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 11, 2016, 07:10:42 PM
Earlier this year, there was that email leak where a Hillary rep from her SoS days was paying several news outlets to depict her speech in a certain way using specific words. And then a quick search of other journals, papers, websites showed a number of writers all describing her speech the same way.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 11, 2016, 07:17:04 PM
Where are Prop and Rock?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 11, 2016, 07:18:01 PM
Completely ignoring the facts as usual.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 12, 2016, 12:02:17 AM
C-Span is virtually all that is left of notable, attempts-to-inform and be fair major media names.

I used to rep the BBC myself. But they seem to be going in the tank lately too. It's discouraging to see so many outlets from both the leftist regressive or rightist radical movements excusing or even defending corruption so they can push economic and/or social narratives.

And yeah, Donna Brazile is just another Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. CNN creams themselves when I've seen her there too.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Dlbiininja on October 12, 2016, 02:48:38 AM
Is this that shit that Trump read?  It's from a Russian site and it's fake.


http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635


Updated | I am Sidney Blumenthal. At least, that is what Vladimir Putin—and, somehow, Donald Trump—seem to believe. And that should raise concerns not only about Moscow’s attempts to manipulate this election, but also how Trump came to push Russian disinformation to American voters.

An email from Blumenthal—a confidant of Hillary Clinton and a man, second only to George Soros, at the center of conservative conspiracy theories—turned up in the recent document dump by WikiLeaks. At a time when American intelligence believes Russian hackers are trying to interfere with the presidential election, records have recently been fed to WikiLeaks out of multiple organizations of the Democratic Party. But now that I have been brought into the whole mess—and transformed into Blumenthal—there is even more proof that the Russians are not only orchestrating this act of cyberwar but also really, really dumb.

The latest emerged thanks to the incompetence of Sputnik—the Russian online news and radio service established by the government-controlled news agency, Rossiya Segodnya—which took words written by me and attributed them to Blumenthal.
Updated | I am Sidney Blumenthal. At least, that is what Vladimir Putin—and, somehow, Donald Trump—seem to believe. And that should raise concerns not only about Moscow’s attempts to manipulate this election, but also how Trump came to push Russian disinformation to American voters.

An email from Blumenthal—a confidant of Hillary Clinton and a man, second only to George Soros, at the center of conservative conspiracy theories—turned up in the recent document dump by WikiLeaks. At a time when American intelligence believes Russian hackers are trying to interfere with the presidential election, records have recently been fed to WikiLeaks out of multiple organizations of the Democratic Party. But now that I have been brought into the whole mess—and transformed into Blumenthal—there is even more proof that the Russians are not only orchestrating this act of cyberwar but also really, really dumb.

The latest emerged thanks to the incompetence of Sputnik—the Russian online news and radio service established by the government-controlled news agency, Rossiya Segodnya—which took words written by me and attributed them to Blumenthal.

Try Newsweek for only $1.25 per week

The documents that WikiLeaks has unloaded recently have been emails out of the account of John Podesta, the chairman of Clinton’s election campaign. Almost as soon as the pilfered documents emerged, Sputnik was all over them and rapidly found (or probably already knew about before the WikiLeaks dump) a purportedly incriminating email from Blumenthal.

The email was amazing—it linked Boogie Man Blumenthal, Podesta and the topic of conservative political fever dreams, Benghazi. This, it seemed, was the smoking gun finally proving Clinton bore total responsibility for the attack on the American outpost in Libya in 2012. Sputnik even declared that the email might be the “October surprise” that could undermine Clinton’s campaign.

But the Russians had faked it all, taking a real document released by Wikileaks and altering it to create a bogus story—one that ultimately was picked up by Trump himself. Since Newsweek first broke the story online, some journalists have speculated that the misrepresentation of the email may have merely been an error by an overworked Russian news agency. However, according to a government official with direct knowledge of the American intelligence agencies’ inquiry into the Russian hacking campaign, and who spoke on condition of anonymity, that theory is “absurd.”

A classified report submitted last summer to the Congressional intelligence committees, and a September 23 letter from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence specifically identified Sputnik as a central participant in a Russian disinformation campaign designed to use hacking and other techniques to interfere with the American election while strengthening Moscow’s global influence.

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 04:15:59 AM
This actually made me laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04PnV1IngGM
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 08:42:25 AM
The sad part is, this was a rare opportunity for people to see what is going on behind the scenes, all of the corruption, lying, population manipulation, power plays etc. and act accordingly.

You can be sure that after all of this is done, they will assume full control so that nothing like it will ever happen again (it's already happening as we speak, with censorship on Twitter/Facebook and Google manipulating search results. The media is just the beginning). It's highly improbable that information leaks like these will ever take place in the future.

If people actually ignore this and allow themselves to be stepped on once again, well, they only have themselves to blame for whatever happens.

What are we suppose to do? You're right we did collectively raise enough money to give the elites a scare, and we had more volunteers than they could ever hope for in Bernie. We saw the corruption of the DNC and the media. But yet here we are the DNC and media won. And voter fraud, and now they spin it like "don't talk about voter fraud cause you don't want to sow unrest in the democracy"

Hillary is...I don't want to say evil, it's too strong, but certainly seems amoral. Talking to her supporters is tough because they always say "if only you knew what it was to be of this demographic you'd realize how important it is to elect her" and Trump is the perfect target to insight that, and in a way it's hard to explain the more nuanced fears when you have the other guy making anyone who's not a white male feel unsafe.

But then I'm at a loss. I can't talk to Hillary supporters, they all have their heads so focused on Trump that they get mad when you find out you don't support her and say it's just cause of your privilege etc. and I could never support Trump either cause his Hitler impression is a little too scary and his supporters, if they aren't racist, actively ignore that or make excuses for it.

So what are we suppose to do? Hillary unchecked is terrifying, but so is Tump. Either way we're fucked. And as she has the media on her side as she did in the primaries, they'll spin any crit (see above). How are people suppose to combat this--get involved in local politics? Bury our heads in the ground otherwise knowing we can't trust any source of information? How do we do anything, even when we try not to get stepped on and know it's coming they still seem able to do it.

Help
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 09:25:07 AM
I don't have as bad of an opinion of Trump as many have (his main problem is that he doesn't have a filter for his redneckish talk, which is both good and bad in terms of voters) but, for the sake of the discussion let's say he's dangerous. In my opinion, beyond the 'who is worse' discussion is the part of 'who could do the most damage in the long haul' and that is definitely Clinton.

Generally, people don't really know the power the POTUS has, so the 'boogeyman Trump' narrative scares many of them, but he doesn't really have support to do anything worthwhile.  He needs to have an entire army of people behind him in all the proper places to change things massively (for better or worse) and he simply doesn't. Even within his own party, there's many that are either not supporting him at all or reluctantly doing so. If he tries to do stupid shit, he will be blocked.

Hillary, on the other hand, has that influence. She controls the narrative in terms of the information that goes around, in terms of telling you who is the bad guy, who is the good guy, what is best for everybody because she says it is. We're seeing a level of corruption that is unprecedented as far as 'in your face' goes, and she isn't even POTUS yet. We can see her strings, and they're not good (shady guys like Soros - who if you look at his agenda, it's terrifying, saudi arabia, quatar, wall street etc.). We also have her record, and she has left war and destruction everywhere she went with devastating result that will resonate for many generations henceforth (Middle East).

At worst, I think the system will be stagnant with Trump (I'd be hopeful about his tax, trade and immigration policy, though). With Clinton, it's actively giving the utmost power to somebody who already controls and destroys most everything she comes across. Like I said above, if she gets into power, the inner machinations of what's taking place behind the scenes will most likely never be seen again, and the brainwashing's dials will go up to eleven. She already controls the media and the justice system. Her open borders and immigration policies have been leaked recently etc. She's the Pablo Escobar of the US political system. Can you even imagine what she has to pay back, given the financial and mainstream support she has received? And this is not limited to the blatant pay-to-play she has, other countries like the aforementioned Saudi Arabia are her biggest contributors. Their interest is blatant.

As for what you were supposed to do - outvote her to a percentage that she simply couldn't have stolen the election, no matter what happened. But that depends on a large chunk of the population getting off the TV and searching the information for themselves, which was virtually impossible. Too much brainwashing, keeping people in the dark and feeding them shit. That might change in a few generations, but I think it will already be too late by then.

I'm sorry to say, but you're fucked. At best you can stall a bit (i.e. vote Trump) and hope the next generation will be awake ever since the primaries and vote the proper person en-masse.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 09:40:11 AM
I get what you're saying. Trump seems incompetent, and in a way an incompetent choice may be better. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him either though. I think it would embolden those who take the more repugnant aspects of his message and run with it. Or maybe not. And the media and powers that be would still be against him. Then again I wouldn't want him picking a Supreme Court justice or three. Not by a long shot. Overall, your assessment that we're fucked seems pretty spot on.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 12, 2016, 10:06:26 AM
"if only you knew what it was to be of this demographic you'd realize how important it is to elect her"

How exactly is that -not- a legitimate reason to be afraid of Trump getting to become POTUS?

Also, if you talk about "Who could do more harm".
Trump is the one who, repeatedly, asked why the US doesn't use their Nukes.
If that doesn't fucking TERRIFY you, then I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
"if only you knew what it was to be of this demographic you'd realize how important it is to elect her"

How exactly is that -not- a legitimate reason to be afraid of Trump getting to become POTUS?

Also, if you talk about "Who could do more harm".
Trump is the one who, repeatedly, asked why the US doesn't use their Nukes.
If that doesn't fucking TERRIFY you, then I don't know what to tell you.

The President can't unilaterally decide to use nukes. There's a chain of command that blocks him.

Glad to see the propaganda of "Trump wakes up one day and decides to nuke a random country" worked, though.

This is why Hillary will be president.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:22:37 AM
I believe he only has to have the Secretary of Defense confirm his order. Since the President appoints the Secretary of Defense, I can still see it as a concern.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:26:40 AM
I believe he only has to have the Secretary of Defense confirm his order. Since the President appoints the Secretary of Defense, I can still see it as a concern.

You're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes

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Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, they would be taken aside by the "carrier" of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened.[3] Once opened, the president would decide which "Attack Options", specific orders for attacks on specific targets, to use. The Attack Options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include Major Attack Options (MAOs), Selected Attack Options (SAOs), and Limited Attack Options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel. As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons;[10] however, the two-man rule still applies. The National Command Authority comprising the president and Secretary of Defense must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[7] The order would then be transmitted over a tan-yellow phone, the Joint Chiefs of Staff Alerting Network, otherwise known as the "Gold Phone", that directly links the NMCC with United States Strategic Command Headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.[citation needed] It is argued that the President has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it.[11][12][13] However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the President disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.[14] If an order to launch is considered to be without merit, that would be grounds to invoke section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Government officials are required to not comply with an order that violates the law, even if that means defying a presidential order.[15]
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:27:07 AM
Also in reading up on it, nobody can actually veto the order to use nukes. There's a pretty lengthy process involved and it's not just him simply pushing a button. Unfortunately, the process is more about verifying the order than if the order should be carried out.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:27:53 AM
I believe he only has to have the Secretary of Defense confirm his order. Since the President appoints the Secretary of Defense, I can still see it as a concern.

You're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes

Quote
Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, they would be taken aside by the "carrier" of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened.[3] Once opened, the president would decide which "Attack Options", specific orders for attacks on specific targets, to use. The Attack Options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include Major Attack Options (MAOs), Selected Attack Options (SAOs), and Limited Attack Options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel. As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons;[10] however, the two-man rule still applies. The National Command Authority comprising the president and Secretary of Defense must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[7] The order would then be transmitted over a tan-yellow phone, the Joint Chiefs of Staff Alerting Network, otherwise known as the "Gold Phone", that directly links the NMCC with United States Strategic Command Headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.[citation needed] It is argued that the President has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it.[11][12][13] However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the President disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.[14] If an order to launch is considered to be without merit, that would be grounds to invoke section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Government officials are required to not comply with an order that violates the law, even if that means defying a presidential order.[15]

No, I was right actually. Read above.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:30:03 AM
I believe he only has to have the Secretary of Defense confirm his order. Since the President appoints the Secretary of Defense, I can still see it as a concern.

You're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Codes

Quote
Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, they would be taken aside by the "carrier" of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened.[3] Once opened, the president would decide which "Attack Options", specific orders for attacks on specific targets, to use. The Attack Options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include Major Attack Options (MAOs), Selected Attack Options (SAOs), and Limited Attack Options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel. As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons;[10] however, the two-man rule still applies. The National Command Authority comprising the president and Secretary of Defense must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[7] The order would then be transmitted over a tan-yellow phone, the Joint Chiefs of Staff Alerting Network, otherwise known as the "Gold Phone", that directly links the NMCC with United States Strategic Command Headquarters at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.[citation needed] It is argued that the President has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it.[11][12][13] However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the President disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.[14] If an order to launch is considered to be without merit, that would be grounds to invoke section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Government officials are required to not comply with an order that violates the law, even if that means defying a presidential order.[15]

No, I was right actually. Read above.

No, you were wrong.

The President and Secretary of State can be overuled and the presidential order defied.

I bolded and increased the size of that part, in case you miss it.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:31:15 AM
the process is more about verifying the order than if the order should be carried out.

That's blatantly wrong.

If an order to launch is considered to be without merit, that would be grounds to invoke section 4 of the 25th Amendment. Government officials are required to not comply with an order that violates the law, even if that means defying a presidential order.

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:32:37 AM
Ah I did miss the Amendment. Gracias, mi malo.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
Ah I did miss the Amendment. Gracias, mi malo.
No prob.

Sorry for the aggression.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 10:34:08 AM
"if only you knew what it was to be of this demographic you'd realize how important it is to elect her"

How exactly is that -not- a legitimate reason to be afraid of Trump getting to become POTUS?


Because though his words are terrifying in that regard, without the support of even his own party, he's going to be incredibly restricted. Plus our society is at a point where it hopefully would not fly. Fortunately on social issues, we generally move forward, not backwards, and I don't see a president capable of sending us in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 12, 2016, 10:36:06 AM
Ah I did miss the Amendment. Gracias, mi malo.
No prob.

Sorry for the aggression.

No worries.

I will say you make a pretty compelling case for Trump. Funny that I've never heard people who actually support Trump explain it that way. They seem to truly think he'll be good for this country.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 12, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
"if only you knew what it was to be of this demographic you'd realize how important it is to elect her"

How exactly is that -not- a legitimate reason to be afraid of Trump getting to become POTUS?


Because though his words are terrifying in that regard, without the support of even his own party, he's going to be incredibly restricted. Plus our society is at a point where it hopefully would not fly. Fortunately on social issues, we generally move forward, not backwards, and I don't see a president capable of sending us in the opposite direction.
How does he need the support of his own party, if that -is- the stance of his own party?
They are not suddenly doing a 180° just because Trump is saying the same thing.
Minority protection, health care, women's rights, etc, etc, etc.
This is all shit they pledged to work against.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 12, 2016, 10:43:19 AM

The President can't unilaterally decide to use nukes. There's a chain of command that blocks him.

Glad to see the propaganda of "Trump wakes up one day and decides to nuke a random country" worked, though.

This is why Hillary will be president.

You really think Trump knew that as he asked the question?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
@necro
His is the party of making a big stink when they don't like someone. I don't see it going smoothly for him and I don't see the majority of Americans supporting it. That said, I do get the concern, hence every single thing I've said in this thread. My issue is that ostensibly you, and other Hillary supporters use that as justification for turning a blind eye to everything we've been talking about in this thread, and that's just not ok by me.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 10:47:08 AM
Ah I did miss the Amendment. Gracias, mi malo.
No prob.

Sorry for the aggression.

No worries.

I will say you make a pretty compelling case for Trump. Funny that I've never heard people who actually support Trump explain it that way. They seem to truly think he'll be good for this country.

I'm removed from it all in Europe, so I think it helps that I don't go in the 'my side has to win'. I leave the "Superman vs Hulk" mindset out of it.


The President can't unilaterally decide to use nukes. There's a chain of command that blocks him.

Glad to see the propaganda of "Trump wakes up one day and decides to nuke a random country" worked, though.

This is why Hillary will be president.

You really think Trump knew that as he asked the question?

I don't insert my suppositions to alleged questions he may have put. I go by the facts. Trump would be helpless, even if he would absurdly wake up one day and want to nuke some country.

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 11:20:22 AM
Jesus Christ, I really feel sorry for Bernie supporters, read this shit:

(https://i.redd.it/ao06asad82rx.png)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
Eh. I am a Sanders supporter and I'm neither surprised nor am I offended. Now if something leaked saying they straight up cheated (ie not counting Bernie votes) I would be pissed.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 12:01:17 PM
Also a Sanders supporter and not at all surprised. It also didn't do anything for me because it's obvious they haven't done anything to address the issues that are key to Sanders supporters beyond lip service and empty gestures. They are exactly what we thought they were, and to be fair I believe Sanders and his people are exactly what we thought they were i.e. having integrity or as they call it being "self-righteous". How dare we want honest politicians, shame on us.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
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Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 12, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
This is something anyone with a brain knew from the beginning.

The only people who didn't were blind morons with a "wut u fink" mentality.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
The biggest take away I got from that is the part about incorporating some of Bernie's message. Since nothing in the email suggest it is a fake gesture maybe she is actually going to get some of his policies in play.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 12:45:47 PM
I'm not going to hold my breath. I have little doubt she'll win, so I guess we'll see. My major goal is to focus my energies on smaller elections as I don't want either Ozymandius or The Comedian in charge (I know you like the analogies too, Neo--how's this one?)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 12:56:01 PM
reading through this and Can hit a few points

1) Voting For Hillary out of a fear to Trump is perfectly legitmate. Namely Depending on who you are. if your affraid of your birth right citenship getting taken away, split up your familes with a deportion test. your muslim affraid of a relegions test. If your a woman who dont want to be tossed in Jail for abortion. if your black who dont want to padded down if you step a foot out of your house. Or any minority group that dont want to live in a country where someone runs a OPENLY racist campaign and wins because of this. That would bring all sorts of bad shit out of the wood work

2)  As for turning a blind eye to he bad stuff. I said what I said before in another thread. I dont thik every scandal is a false right wing conspircy. But lets not pretend there arent some accusations that arent Bullshit or exagerated

If you say Hillary fans have a tendacy to ingore some of her fault. I say maybe there some of that. But also Hillary detractors have a tendacy to Jump on any conspricy reather it factual or not. Here saw it argued she killed reporter, killed vince Foster, trying to commit genocide on blacks, a white supremist, used Trump as manchuriant candiate, hired black lives matters to fuck with Bernie, Part of the Illumatie, had body doubles, doing mafia hits on various people and of course BENGAZI.  Hell in another topic they giving her a beef for defending a bad guy a lawyer. He consitutionl require Job. Base on a idea that been debunk time and time again

3) Also it not just hardcore Hillary suprporters that dont see an issue with some of the recent leaks. Which make me think Wiki leaks used up all the actuly Juicy stuff. As neo said it be different if they actully didnt count Bernie vote. And as people in Hillary negative look at some of Bernies and his fans. pretty sure some people in the Bernie Campaign have a negative view of Hillary voters. Like that black woman with the glasses, sure she dont have a great view if you went into her private conversation. Now that may be ok to some Bernie people if you think they deserve to have the world burn around them. But let not pretend there not any love lost between both groups. I mean she was called a whore with a crowd cheering. If you admit some people on the sander side can get overly intense and pushed people away.

my beef with some Bernie Fans. is they it ok to insult the other side. But ANY little crack against them is consider crossing the line. They can be over sensative. Here as a Hillary supporter, Been called dumb, a coward, a god damm Race Traitor by multiple people, That because I didnt feel the bern I deserve to burn,  and all sorts of thing. But if I poke back and say anything about the other side, people act like I walked into a church and wipe my ass with the bible


4) As for the idea Trump wont get shit done. He actully can do a lot of damage. Not just the supreme counrt but Lower counrt Judge he can appointed. He would make more executive order then any president. It imbolden a lot of racist groups. He would veto a lot of progegive bills and will probally have the senate and the house to push some far right policies. Republican kind of agree with a good amount of his crazy shit, Trump just more upfront about his crazy. He probally fuck with freedom of the press and abuse her power. He is TELLING people he will
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 12, 2016, 02:50:49 PM
Voting for Hillary is stupid. Voting for Trump is stupid. This election is a fucking sham of the worst order.

I feel sorry for this country that these two made it through the primaries. Hillary is the embodiment of the system's corruption, and despite the concealment being peeled away, blindly Democratic voters will choose her. How is this happening? Her email scandal is a legit scandal. Dismissed by the media and her followers. Her and the DNC rigging the primaries happened. She blatantly cheated to win... and if you think we uncovered ALL of the efforts to ruin the democratic process, you would be wrong. But hey, people will still vote for her. Because the other candidate is so bad.

Which is exactly how the GOP is entrenching their blind followers. Vote for Trump because look at all of the liberal shit Hillary will do!

And that's the nature of this two-party system which is currently a one-party system run by big money lobbyists who are kind enough to give the public two different people to vote for. Because if it was just one person, it would be pretty hard for people to lie to themselves about how bad the situation has become. This country is heading back to the worst parts of the Gilded Age. Hard.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 03:22:19 PM
Voting for Hillary is stupid. Voting for Trump is stupid. This election is a fucking sham of the worst order.

I feel sorry for this country that these two made it through the primaries. Hillary is the embodiment of the systems corruption, and despite the concealment being peeled away, blindly Democratic voters will choose her. How is this happening? Her email scandal is a legit scandal. Dismissed by the media and her followers. Her and the DNC rigging the primaries happened. She blatantly cheated to win... and if you think we uncovered ALL of the lie efforts to ruin the democratic process, you would be wrong. But hey, people will still vote for her. Because the other candidate is so bad.

Which is exactly how the GOP is entrenching their blind followers. Vote for Trump because look at all of the liberal shit Hillary will do!

And that's the nature of this two-party system which is currently a one-party system run by big money lobbyists who are kind enough to give the public two different people to vote before. Because if it was just one person, it would be pretty hard for people to lie to themselves about how bad the situation has become. This country is heading back to the worst parts of the Gilded Age. Hard.

This was so damn well said.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
 Is there a signature length? cause I might try to put that in my sig
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 12, 2016, 03:44:42 PM
Is there a signature length? cause I might try to put that in my sig

There is. It's actually fairly generous, but would never fit all of Master's excellent post.

You can still use screen copy via Alt + Print screen. Then paste and do an edit job. Then upload somewhere and it should be fine. 
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 12, 2016, 03:46:58 PM
I saw when I tried, and it is ample, but you're right. Had to go another route. I went with a link but I like your idea better if I was feeling like throwing in some minimal effort.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 12, 2016, 03:51:33 PM
And thank you Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. Those two helped usher in the ridiculous and destructive age of Neo nonsense we live in now.

Where both parties are little more than tools for the super elite. And where anyone like Bernie Sanders or Bob Ingles gets buttfucked if they get out of line and refuse to eat force fed shit.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 12, 2016, 03:54:35 PM
I am surprised none of you commented on rock's retard post where he, per usual, dismissed everything with mindless and poorly thought put rhetoric.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: g-train on October 12, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
Voting for Hillary is stupid. Voting for Trump is stupid. This election is a fucking sham of the worst order.

I feel sorry for this country that these two made it through the primaries. Hillary is the embodiment of the systems corruption, and despite the concealment being peeled away, blindly Democratic voters will choose her. How is this happening? Her email scandal is a legit scandal. Dismissed by the media and her followers. Her and the DNC rigging the primaries happened. She blatantly cheated to win... and if you think we uncovered ALL of the lie efforts to ruin the democratic process, you would be wrong. But hey, people will still vote for her. Because the other candidate is so bad.

Which is exactly how the GOP is entrenching their blind followers. Vote for Trump because look at all of the liberal shit Hillary will do!

And that's the nature of this two-party system which is currently a one-party system run by big money lobbyists who are kind enough to give the public two different people to vote before. Because if it was just one person, it would be pretty hard for people to lie to themselves about how bad the situation has become. This country is heading back to the worst parts of the Gilded Age. Hard.

One of the biggest ironies here being that one of Trump's deal is pointing out how Hillary "won't" do anything different or change anything.

It kind of goes both ways here; he's all like nothing will change under her and nothing will get done.

The GOP is all like "liberal harlot who will give us free college, medicare and make the world a better place!".

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 12, 2016, 04:12:37 PM
To the GOP, "nothing changing" means "more of what Obama did".
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 12, 2016, 04:21:47 PM
I am surprised none of you commented on rock's retard post where he, per usual, dismissed everything with mindless and poorly thought put rhetoric.

What can be said that hasn't already been said?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 06:08:47 PM
I honestly don't read many of rock's post. I have no problem with him. It's just a chore trying to figure them out sometimes.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 06:27:14 PM
basicly in short. Everything i said was correct, and cant be disputed.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
Shit is about to get real. All of Hillary's 33,000 deleted E-mails have been found:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/786311585530650624

And while this might be 4chan trolling, I figured I'd post this in case it becomes true:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumPq4_W8AA0VNZ.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 06:39:18 PM
I'm calling bullshit. What would be the the point of waiting until Nov 1st?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 06:41:16 PM
I'm calling bullshit. What would be the the point of waiting until Nov 1st?

If it's conclusive proof of treason or anything even close to that, she's done, and the democrats don't have time to replace her.

Assuming that's the way it's going to go down, they're basically waiting for her to get close to the finish line, and then they'll shoot her in the head.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 06:44:13 PM
yea beleave that as much as the revelation that Assange was suspose to release in the early morning. You know the one once release HILLARY IS DONE!!!

Or the one that was suspose be release before the democratic convention that would guarantee the indictment
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 12, 2016, 06:59:36 PM
I'm calling bullshit. What would be the the point of waiting until Nov 1st?

If it's conclusive proof of treason or anything even close to that, she's done, and the democrats don't have time to replace her.

Assuming that's the way it's going to go down, they're basically waiting for her to get close to the finish line, and then they'll shoot her in the head.

If anyone even bothers to do anything about it plus the only way anyone can recover those emails is if hey actually have the hard drives. I don't see how anyone could get them.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 12, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
So rock, if it turns out that Hillary is guilty of treason, are you still going to vote for her regardless?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 12, 2016, 07:34:43 PM
Here's how USA - Russian relations have developed Obama and Hillary:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/us-russia-tensions-cold-war/index.html

I really hope that 4chan text (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumPq4_W8AA0VNZ.jpg:large) is just trolling and they're not going to go there.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
So rock, if it turns out that Hillary is guilty of treason, are you still going to vote for her regardless?

probally vote 3rd party. Then Cry because Trump will win and a country now a KLan Rally. Try to be less uppity to avoid getting lynch in this new America. which is hard because I am pretty uppity
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Strange on October 12, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
I honestly don't think it matters anymore. They have both sides so whipped up into a frenzy about the other guy being so much more terrible than their terrible person that they could show Hilary aborting a black woman's child while screaming racial obscenities and people would still declare her the lesser of two evils. The same of Trump and his supporters.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 12, 2016, 08:34:31 PM
Shit is about to get real. All of Hillary's 33,000 deleted E-mails have been found:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/786311585530650624

And while this might be 4chan trolling, I figured I'd post this in case it becomes true:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumPq4_W8AA0VNZ.jpg:large)


I'm praying this is real. So far there are no arguments against trump that even come close to the pure evil Killary has displayed.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 12, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
Only one candidate is guilty of perjury,  and treason. Only one has leaked state secrets, has ties to arming terrorists, drone striking children, covering up the rape and pedophilia of her husband, and is tied to dozens of murders and mysterious deaths.

Comparing the candidates is truly a false comparison.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Snake-eyes on October 12, 2016, 08:42:20 PM
basicly in short. Everything i said was correct, and cant be disputed.

LOL!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 12, 2016, 09:04:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYVv4LY_KQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYVv4LY_KQ)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 09:14:42 PM
Only one candidate is guilty of perjury,  and treason. Only one has leaked state secrets, has ties to arming terrorists, drone striking children, covering up the rape and pedophilia of her husband, and is tied to dozens of murders and mysterious deaths.

Comparing the candidates is truly a false comparison.

Ummm i can understand people not liking Hillary, or even thinking she terrible

But it hard for me to see how Trump is not worst..not a contest.  Unless you bring up ILLUMANTIE shit, and talks about her sending Assassins to kill people, and trying to activly wipe out the black race. Yea if you beleave shit like that she worst

But if you live in a real world that not Dan Brown Novel, then Trump just unfit
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 12, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
Only one candidate is guilty of perjury,  and treason. Only one has leaked state secrets, has ties to arming terrorists, drone striking children, covering up the rape and pedophilia of her husband, and is tied to dozens of murders and mysterious deaths.

Comparing the candidates is truly a false comparison.

Ummm i can understand people not liking Hillary, or even thinking she terrible

But it hard for me to see how Trump is not worst..not a contest.  Unless you bring up ILLUMANTIE shit, and talks about her sending Assassins to kill people, and trying to activly wipe out the black race. Yea if you beleave shit like that she worst

But if you live in a real world that not Dan Brown Novel, then Trump just unfit
She stole from the poorest people in the hemisphere at their hour of greatest need and her brother is currently stealing their natural resources. She fought against them getting a minimum wage increase to 37 cents,an hour.

To us sane people that's far more evil than anything Trump has ever done by far.

And that's just one of the numerous countries she helped devastate.

She's unrepentant garbage and so are her supporters who willfully support her evil.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 12, 2016, 11:36:42 PM
Only one candidate is guilty of perjury,  and treason. Only one has leaked state secrets, has ties to arming terrorists, drone striking children, covering up the rape and pedophilia of her husband, and is tied to dozens of murders and mysterious deaths.

Comparing the candidates is truly a false comparison.

Ummm i can understand people not liking Hillary, or even thinking she terrible

But it hard for me to see how Trump is not worst..not a contest.  Unless you bring up ILLUMANTIE shit, and talks about her sending Assassins to kill people, and trying to activly wipe out the black race. Yea if you beleave shit like that she worst

But if you live in a real world that not Dan Brown Novel, then Trump just unfit
She stole from the poorest people in the hemisphere at their hour of greatest need and her brother is currently stealing their natural resources. She fought against them getting a minimum wage increase to 37 cents,an hour.

To us sane people that's far more evil than anything Trump has ever done by far.

And that's just one of the numerous countries she helped devastate.

She's unrepentant garbage and so are her supporters who willfully support her evil.

Yea that Theft thing been debunk..has no evidence for it either. But again it doesnt matter how many times her stuff is Debunk. the foundation raise millions for Age vaccine saving a lot of lives. i raise money to build schools and Hopsitals

Trump openly talking about banning people base on relegions, banning groups of people. openly Racist shit.

If he said half the shit about blacks as he said about those groups you be all over him
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 13, 2016, 04:28:45 AM
I'm praying this is real. So far there are no arguments against trump that even come close to the pure evil Killary has displayed.

This is fascinating.
Jelly would wish for the one person to get in charge of the US, who went on record that he would let police use vigilante methods and who said he'd encourage em to do that, which pretty much translates into killing a shitton more black people.

Self-hate?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 13, 2016, 11:14:32 AM
After reading through this thread, it's funny to see the perspective of the HRC champions who say people hate Hillary just cause she's a woman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/stop-pretending-you-dont-_b_12191766.html

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It’s time to stop pretending that this is about substance. This is about an eagerness to believe that a woman who seeks power will say or do anything to get it. This is about a Lady MacBeth stereotype that, frankly, should never have existed in the first place. This is about the one thing no one wants to admit it’s about.

Generations from now, people will shake their heads at this moment in time, when the first female major party presidential nominee—competent, qualified and more thoroughly vetted than any non-incumbent candidate in history—endured the humiliation of being likened to such an obvious grifter, ignoramus and hate monger.

We deserve the shame that we will bear.

It is frustrating that this is the idea that her supporters come up with. "You hate her just cause she's a woman." And when someone is so entrenched in those beliefs, there's really no conversation you can have with them. I had a couple dates with this young lady (normally I'd say girl or chick but my friends gf was like 'you mean woman' but I digress before opening another can of worms) and things were going well and then we started talking politics, and finding out I wasn't all up on the Hillary band wagon was enough to snuff those sparks. I was fine not getting into it, and I'm certainly no Trump guy, but I just can't deal with this mentality. That not liking Hillary is an attack on women.

But yet this article clearly shows that many Hillary supporters, and I would dare say the majority, believe if you don't like Hillary you're a women hater through and through.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 13, 2016, 11:20:52 AM
Reading the comments section of that article makes me hope a plane will crash into the next presidential debate, and I feel bad that it makes me feel that way. I am angry and am recognizing it (can you tell I went to a talk at a meditation center two days ago?) Now to hopefully take a step back from all of this.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 13, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
I see you've found, as I have, that those who scream 'sexist' and 'racist' in an argument based discussion are generally projecting massively.

There's a tumblr generation coming that is made of entitled moody morons which is only going to get worse. Everything is about gender and race to them.

That will become a massive voting group in the near-future, so imagine the pandering that will take place.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 13, 2016, 12:08:10 PM
In the meantime:

(http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1476372843637.png)

On the current Trump scandals, and their connection to Clinton:

https://twitter.com/ProudBoyMag/status/786425215676846080

Jessica Leads, who is accusing Trump of rape, has the same phone number as the Clinton Foundation

And also:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CupPScpWIAAui81.jpg:large)


Welcome to Soviet Russia, boys.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 13, 2016, 12:59:31 PM
Not surprising.  That other leaked information claimed the HRC campaign would be trotting out these people, and here they are.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 13, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
Quote
In an email exchange dated January 14, 2016, Clinton campaign staffers are trying to figure out which shootings to highlight in a gun control essay intended to appeal to mothers. The essay, written by Marie Claire, was in draft form at the time emails were being exchanged, and Clinton had been asked to contribute to it. As a result, staffers were trying to decide whether to include Davis’ shooting death or discard it.
Campaign director of engagement, De’Ara Balenger, reviewed the draft, then emailed:

(http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2016-10-13_13-27-25.jpg)

Staffer Corey Ciorciari replied, “You know where I stand on this. It can be racially motivated and gun violence should still very much be part of the discussion. Even more so here given that Jordan’s mom is one of the leading gun violence prevention proponents in the country.”

Jesus Christ.

What a bunch of sociopaths.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 13, 2016, 05:08:57 PM
Blatant race baiting and control of the media confirmed. How can anyone justify voting for her? Necro? Rock? Safado? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 13, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Necro is German, and Safado is some kinda Plutonian.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 13, 2016, 10:12:57 PM
Only one candidate is guilty of perjury,  and treason. Only one has leaked state secrets, has ties to arming terrorists, drone striking children, covering up the rape and pedophilia of her husband, and is tied to dozens of murders and mysterious deaths.

Comparing the candidates is truly a false comparison.

Ummm i can understand people not liking Hillary, or even thinking she terrible

But it hard for me to see how Trump is not worst..not a contest.  Unless you bring up ILLUMANTIE shit, and talks about her sending Assassins to kill people, and trying to activly wipe out the black race. Yea if you beleave shit like that she worst

But if you live in a real world that not Dan Brown Novel, then Trump just unfit
She stole from the poorest people in the hemisphere at their hour of greatest need and her brother is currently stealing their natural resources. She fought against them getting a minimum wage increase to 37 cents,an hour.

To us sane people that's far more evil than anything Trump has ever done by far.

And that's just one of the numerous countries she helped devastate.

She's unrepentant garbage and so are her supporters who willfully support her evil.

Yea that Theft thing been debunk..has no evidence for it either. But again it doesnt matter how many times her stuff is Debunk. the foundation raise millions for Age vaccine saving a lot of lives. i raise money to build schools and Hopsitals

Trump openly talking about banning people base on relegions, banning groups of people. openly Racist shit.

If he said half the shit about blacks as he said about those groups you be all over him
None of it has been remotely been debunked you self loathing sycophant. She stole 98%of the money.  Trump is an open racist piece of shit.. and she has destroyed black people in actual substantive ways for decades.including kidnapping torturing  and just recently enslaving west Africa to France by illegally murdering Gaddafi. She and bill are enemies of the black race and so are her supporters. Trump is nowhere near as dangerous long term. If anything he's a rallying point of unified opposition  dumbass.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 13, 2016, 10:18:57 PM
I'm praying this is real. So far there are no arguments against trump that even come close to the pure evil Killary has displayed.

This is fascinating.
Jelly would wish for the one person to get in charge of the US, who went on record that he would let police use vigilante methods and who said he'd encourage em to do that, which pretty much translates into killing a shitton more black people.

Self-hate?
Killary spent decades doing that same thing already. Idiot. If anything he's a clear open enemy which is far better than an enemy where half of the people think she's an ally. Open enemy>>>one that pretends to be an ally. It's called strategic long term thinking idiot. Trump isn't smart enough to convince black people he isn't at odds with them. Killary had the guy who abandoned his black child and who kidnapped and to tired countless black people  invaded  multiple African countries, helped facilitate a genocide in Rwanda then rewarded the Hitler of Africa Kagame, invaded Haiti when they called for the wealth France and America stole from it to payback the fuck ing slave master they beat for their freedom etc. Shut the fuck up and don't address me on this subject again dickhead.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Clock on October 14, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
Jelly got triggered.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 14, 2016, 04:35:31 AM
Necro is German, and Safado is some kinda Plutonian.
It helps seeing how much Trump channels Hitler, and naturally being horrified by it.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 20, 2016, 10:24:14 PM
I'm not a fan of Megyn Kelly, but Donna Brazile looked confused and defensive here. Whether she is lying or not, she is nonetheless giving off the aura of someone who has something to hide.

People like Brazile and DWS are a main reason true progressives and Sanders supporters just don't trust the DNC and Democratic Hierarchy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/19/megyn_kelly_vs_donna_brazile_did_you_receive_debate_question_beforehand_brazile_i_will_not_be_persecuted.html#disqus_thread
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:01:59 AM
I'm not a fan of Megyn Kelly, but Donna Brazile looked confused and defensive here. Whether she is lying or not, she is nonetheless giving off the aura of someone who has something to hide.

People like Brazile and DWS are a main reason true progressives and Sanders supporters just don't trust the DNC and Democratic Hierarchy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/19/megyn_kelly_vs_donna_brazile_did_you_receive_debate_question_beforehand_brazile_i_will_not_be_persecuted.html#disqus_thread

Reading that any more gets me too much in the flesh. I guess the saddest part about all this is for a very brief span I identified as a dem, not as though it was a major aspect of my self identity or anything but I looked at them as "the ones who care about other people" or something of the sort. More good than bad in the simplest of terms. Now though, especially with everything I've seen from this election, the party seems like the vilest den of scum and villainy this side of Mos Eisly. The Republicans as a whole come off as 10 Times more honest and respectable baring the fact that they put forth presidential candidates that would no doubt lead to an apocalyptic future for our country and possibly the world. Mind you, I certainly don't trust them either. They just seem scandal free by comparison (not counting Trump specifically). What a shitty pair of parties.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 07:09:16 AM
The Republicans as a whole come off as 10 Times more honest and respectable baring the fact that they put forth presidential candidates that would no doubt lead to an apocalyptic future for our country and possibly the world. Mind you, I certainly don't trust them either. They just seem scandal free by comparison (not counting Trump specifically). What a shitty pair of parties.
As someone who looks at it from the outside, this view sounds, no offense, absolutely insane to me.
All the big scandals always seem to involve the republicans, and often in disgusting ways.

All the cases of republicans involved in sex-scandals, social fuck ups, their intentional attempts to make lives worse for LGBTQ people, calling for Police to not be persecuted for murdering innocent people and CHILDREN of color, the blatant serving their corporate masters (fuck, you guys really think the Dems are the corporate stooges, when literally everything the Republicans bring on the table usually involves benefiting the rich, and fucking over the poor and middle class).

Looking at it from the outside, it seems absolutely crazy that someone could think the Republicans being "more honest".

I mean, did you sleep through all the shit they did?
How come I see them, and I'm not even American.
Is it because I have access to so many more news sources?

Not just shitty CNN and Fox, but also English and German news services?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:19:42 AM
Let me easily clarify, I do not think they are more honest or respectable. I think they come across as such. They are just as bad though if not worse, but just as I didn't care about Bill Clinton sex scandal I don't care about any political sex scandal.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 21, 2016, 07:24:25 AM
Let me easily clarify, I do not think they are more honest or respectable. I think they come across as such. They are just as bad though if not worse, but just as I didn't care about Bill Clinton sex scandal I don't care about any political sex scandal.

So what about the other things Necro mentioned?  Those come across as respectable to you?
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:25:00 AM
I think this election has turned a spotlight on the "good ones" as I once saw it as being no better. No less incliced to engage in fucked up shit.

But you're right, the republicans are certainly no better. But we straight up know about the DNC manipulating the course of this election to favor one candidate. To me that is an impediment to the supposedly fair nature of this process and that's why the dems appear so much worse. Stuff I would have once thought the republicans had the market cornered on I now see in the dems very clearly and so this is why I'm upset.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:25:27 AM
And thank you internet for not deleting my post this time when it tells me someone else responded.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:29:09 AM
Let me easily clarify, I do not think they are more honest or respectable. I think they come across as such. They are just as bad though if not worse, but just as I didn't care about Bill Clinton sex scandal I don't care about any political sex scandal.

So what about the other things Necro mentioned?  Those come across as respectable to you?

Nope. This is question I'm guessing you knew the answer to though and don't think you're asking out of genuine curiosity but more so to make a point. See above for more elaboration on why I have such anger towards the dems on this. It's not that things have flipped and I'm suddenly like "oh the republicans are the ones who were great all along" it's now that I'm going through the continually painful process of seeing what shits the supposed hòme team really  are.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 07:33:44 AM
I think this election has turned a spotlight on the "good ones" as I once saw it as being no better. No less incliced to engage in fucked up shit.

But you're right, the republicans are certainly no better. But we straight up know about the DNC manipulating the course of this election to favor one candidate. To me that is an impediment to the supposedly fair nature of this process and that's why the dems appear so much worse. Stuff I would have once thought the republicans had the market cornered on I now see in the dems very clearly and so this is why I'm upset.

You know, I understand this, and I am upset that Bernie got the raw deal of the whole thing. The DNC is mostly interested in keeping the status quo, making some money, and keeping things churning along, maybe add a bit of health care and social services on top (WHICH IS GOOD!), but your republicans are straight up fucking Supervillains!

A good friggin TWENTY percent of their base says freeing the slaves was a BAD thing.
They usually want to strip the rights away from minorities, i.e. if you're black, fucking forget about it. They want to take rights away from LGBTQ people. I mean, some of these fucks CHEERED as they heard there are countries in Africa where you are being killed for being queer. And this wasn't just john bumfuck of neverwhere, Idaho. We're talking Republicans in POSITIONS OF POWER coming out in favor of that shit. Of putting regulations and bills up that would make LGBTQ people lose rights, make them second class citizens, or worse, get punished for what they are. You have Republicans who openly cheer for black people being shot in the streets by cops, and then go out of their way defending these indefensible kills. When was the last time you've seen a Democrat involved with a sex scandal? Usually you hear about how some anti-gay Republican has been found with a 13 year old rentboy somewhere. How your republican representative has been sending pics of his dick to 12 year old girls and shit like this.

And we're not even going into their cutting of social services, and then giving tax cuts to the richest.
You know it is telling if billionaires come out and say "Hey, we pay less taxes than our secretaries, how the fuck is that fair?" (Buffett). And then you listen to the Republicans, who want to come at you with their trickle down shit, and they want to cut your social services and protections, and healthcare, and give MORE cuts to the Corporations, who say "Thank you", take the money, and then close their shops in the US and open em up in Laos for 10% of the costs.

With Dems you get some money laundering, and how they fuck their own over. Hell, I dare say your Democrats are 9 of 10 times fucking incompetent (but so are mine in Germany)
With Republicans you get straight out people being fucking murdered, then being blamed for being black and wearing a hoodie, since it being 20F° outside is apparently not good enough reason to wear that!
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 07:45:22 AM
Sorry about the rant.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 21, 2016, 07:48:25 AM
I think what makes the DNC look so incredibly bad is how they went out of their way to sabotage the only honest candidate this election was going to offer up. (Kasich was next most decent and he was never going to win this time.)

Sanders was the most honest candidate they could have mustered in decades. Yet they purposely sunk a truth teller that actually cared so they could push someone with longterm trust issues who flip flopped on everything from trade to gay marriage to Iraq to mandatory sentencing. And who has a myriad of scandals that often get written off as misogyny in the press. That the press was also in her corner the whole way does not help either.

Everyone already knew the modern Republican party, and especially the candidates in churns out, are mostly terrible.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:51:32 AM
Sorry about the rant.

No prob, love a good rant. Here's my ranty response

Yes the republicans are currently the party of being on the wrong side of history on every social issue, and while it's not alll republicans, if someone has a backwards or antiquated take, they're almost always republican and when they're not they're independent. So the dems have that one, definetly.

The problem for me is that real progress on social issues isn't handed down by the law. The law is always catching up the people. Gay marriage becoming legal is not going against what most Americans want. Certainly against some, but society is leaving those ideas behind and the law has to keep up. On issues not decided by society, non-social issues, the dems are not really that different than the republicans right now. Yeah the party platform is progressive but the people carrying it out are completely untrustworthy, have shown themselves to be interested in cheating the system if they think they can get away with it, and deserve to be removed from their positions of power, but as the ones who make the policy they protect each other and continue this fucked up shit. So some more than likely black teen busted for weed is occupying the cell that should be housing these politicians and special interest reps (like the private prison ones for example)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 07:51:48 AM
I think what makes the DNC look so incredibly bad is how they went out of their way to sabotage the only honest candidate this election was going to offer up. (Kasich was next most decent and he was never going to win this time.)

Sanders was the most honest candidate they could have mustered in decades. Yet they purposely sunk a truth teller that actually cared so they could push someone with longterm trust issues who flip flopped on everything from trade to gay marriage to Iraq to mandatory sentencing. And who has a myriad of scandals that often get written off as misogyny in the press. That the press was also in her corner the whole way does not help either.

Everyone already knew the modern Republican party, and especially the candidates in churns out, are mostly terrible.

This
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 21, 2016, 08:01:45 AM
I think what makes the DNC look so incredibly bad is how they went out of their way to sabotage the only honest candidate this election was going to offer up. (Kasich was next most decent and he was never going to win this time.)

Sanders was the most honest candidate they could have mustered in decades. Yet they purposely sunk a truth teller that actually cared so they could push someone with longterm trust issues who flip flopped on everything from trade to gay marriage to Iraq to mandatory sentencing. And who has a myriad of scandals that often get written off as misogyny in the press. That the press was also in her corner the whole way does not help either.

Everyone already knew the modern Republican party, and especially the candidates in churns out, are mostly terrible.

Very much this.

Republicans are assholes.  No argument there, but there's this weird thing where people are quick to give Democrats a pass because "Republicans do it too".  A lot of Democrat supporters ar eincapable of actually defending the actions of Democrats because they just default to ranting on and on about how vile Republicans are.  I could understand if they were talking to people who support Republicans but that's usually not the case.  Democrats don't realize they're losing liberal and moderate support.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 21, 2016, 08:09:45 AM
There are reasons Independents are growing at such a rapid pace. It's because both modern parties are worthless. It's just that the GOP is more actively evil than the Dems. But the modern Neoliberals are more bad than good at this point, even if they aren't conservative style radicals.

Many are little more than Republican lites. But when you point that out, you are hit with such missing the point comments as "This is not Denmark." Which kind of sums up the mentality of many people in power who have screwed the nation up so badly. And helped foster much of the resentment among it's citizens.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 21, 2016, 08:15:01 AM
There are reasons Independents are growing at such a rapid pace. It's because both modern parties are worthless. It's just that the GOP is more actively evil than the Dems. But the modern Neoliberals are more bad than good at this point, even if they aren't conservative style radicals.

Many are little more than Republican lites. But when you point that out, you are hit with such missing the point comments as "This is not Denmark." Which kind of sums up the mentality of many people in power who have screwed the nation up so badly. And helped foster much of the resentment among it's citizens.

Yeah, if you look at the policies and not the words, there is often little difference between the two parties, especially when it comes ot blowing people up in the Middle East.  And of course, when a (D) blows up, say, Syria, it's okay somehow.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
I've never felt so much like it was one party with two dif options on social issues. I mean the idea is nothing new, but considering the majority of us who discuss politics on here and live in the United States feel this way, I think this sentiment is more pervasive than ever. Especially seems lile the case among younger voters. The one thing that gives me a little hope is that even with all the back scratching cronism, and a complacent mass media, the notion is out there in a big way that this has to change. I don't think the Donna Brazile's of the world are really feeling it yet, but I think they will soon enough.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 21, 2016, 08:35:04 AM
You kinda see this on the Republican side as well, although they seem to be moving more towards crazy than away from it, which is why Trump is the GOP nominee.  GOP supporters are pissed off at the establishment, but are going about it very VERY wrong.

One way or another, the political landscape in the US is shifting and the two parties aren't ready for it.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
Sanders would have been fantastic.
I think he could have really pushed things forward for the US, and I love how passionate folks are about him.
I hate that he got dealt the bad cards in all of this, and I fear he won't be a choice next election.

Here is hoping he will nurture a successor to his ideas, because the US needs it.
Like it or not, but where the US goes, there the world follows, so we need you guys to lead the way ahead.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 21, 2016, 09:52:11 AM
Let me easily clarify, I do not think they are more honest or respectable. I think they come across as such. They are just as bad though if not worse, but just as I didn't care about Bill Clinton sex scandal I don't care about any political sex scandal.

So what about the other things Necro mentioned?  Those come across as respectable to you?

Nope. This is question I'm guessing you knew the answer to though and don't think you're asking out of genuine curiosity but more so to make a point. See above for more elaboration on why I have such anger towards the dems on this. It's not that things have flipped and I'm suddenly like "oh the republicans are the ones who were great all along" it's now that I'm going through the continually painful process of seeing what shits the supposed hòme team really  are.
It was a genuine question because you said the Republicans appeared more respectable. I wouldn't have asked if you had simply said both parties are crappy and left it at that. But you seemed to be giving the Republican party more of a pass.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
Hopefully, I clarified that I meant only in appearance. To further clarify the appearance of how they run their party at the moment. In other words I don't think anyone manipulated things to help ensure Donald was the one running for president, and if they were going to do something like that it would have been for Jeb(!).

As to social issues, just to again point out, that many/most republicans are way off base and take a stance that is in direct opposition to my own. However wrong that is, being straight forward and wrong, but saying "this is how I see it" is something I see as less of a scandal. When a party is pulling strings and trying to get away with shady stuff as the DNC has clearly been doing hard, it sets off all my red flags. Harder to oppose the wrong doing in the shadows. Doesn't mean I have any less disdain for the Republican party though.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: 80sBaby on October 21, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
No, I'm clear now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 10:24:42 AM
When a party is pulling strings and trying to get away with shady stuff as the DNC has clearly been doing hard, it sets off all my red flags.

Ok, I -really- recommend you check out the way the Republicans gerrymandered stuff.
Because I don't think you believe me here.

Or simply take a look at this link
https://www.wired.com/2016/01/gerrymandering-is-even-more-infuriating-when-you-can-actually-see-it/
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 10:28:06 AM
Oh the gerrymandering is terrible. I understand that it's up for change in 2020, which if the republicans run things, will only make it worse
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 21, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
Which means I still have to pull for the dems, which is fucked up cause you see how I feel about the dems. Despite all my voicing grievance with them, I'm still registered as one, though strongly considering making the switch to independent. But I want to keep being involved in primaries and such where I feel my vote would hopefully matter (though maybe not so much with the stuff we keep learning about them)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Necro on October 21, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
I know how you feel.
I think the democrats are spineless cowards, who are far too happy with not rocking the boat, which inevitably will lead to worse, but if the other side is cartoonishly evil, it cuts down on choices. Especially with a two party system.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: NeoGreenLantern on October 21, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
Which means I still have to pull for the dems, which is fucked up cause you see how I feel about the dems. Despite all my voicing grievance with them, I'm still registered as one, though strongly considering making the switch to independent. But I want to keep being involved in primaries and such where I feel my vote would hopefully matter (though maybe not so much with the stuff we keep learning about them)

Yeah but Bernie controlled senate, brah.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Imperial on October 21, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
Which means I still have to pull for the dems, which is fucked up cause you see how I feel about the dems. Despite all my voicing grievance with them, I'm still registered as one, though strongly considering making the switch to independent. But I want to keep being involved in primaries and such where I feel my vote would hopefully matter (though maybe not so much with the stuff we keep learning about them)

Same here, all around.
 
One good thing Arizona has (thanks to the voters) is an Independent Redistricting Commission, which halted that crap. Despite being a so called red state, we tend to have a pretty evenish house delegation. Which is reflective given that the people are not really as conservative as some of the representatives are, and AZ is moving leftward consistently.

What the GOP did in places like Texas is not even the critical matter. Most of those places are going Republican anyway. But what they pulled in purple states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia was extensive. That is what keeps the Dems from being competitive in the U.S. House even when they may have more raw votes. Well, that and voter clustering. Which also tends to work to the GOP's advantage. 
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 21, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
Well, I just want to point out, that if you guys really want change as you've been discussing here, the clear choice is Trump. Hes never been a politician, he doesn't talk like one, he's so different even his own party has done everything they can to stop him.

He wants to stop nafta and tpp dissolved, which will bring tons of manufacturing jobs back to America. A 15% tax rate will allow businesses to pay a higher rate, higher more people, stimulate the economy.  Charging rich countries like Saudi Arabia for our security services will make a dent in the military budget.

The choice is clear, more of the same that you are all complaining about is Hillary. But the change tho, is Trump
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 21, 2016, 04:23:22 PM
The choice is clear, more of the same that you are all complaining about is Hillary. But the change tho, is Trump

There's no question about that.

Donald has practically burned all the bridges with the establishment, and is all about REALLY wanting to make a change. Now, whether you agree or disagree with some of his ideas, the main point is that he has no strings (though the Russia-is-to-blame for everything propaganda makes it seem otherwise).

Hillary is probably the candidate with the most strings in US Elections Hillary, not only in america, but also in countries like Saudi Arabia, Quatar etc.
I posted this vid in another thread, but it should be an eye opener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76yJw_Uu7w0

He doesn't really give a fuck.

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Anyway, in the meantime, let's look at Donna Brazile's both public AND private positions as far as the jobs Obama has 'created':

https://twitter.com/AuditTheMedia/status/789488668884951041
If there's anything Donald can't be faulted on, is that he doesn't have a private and public position.

USA no longer a democracy:

https://twitter.com/Stevenwhirsch99/status/789463523747307520

For more go here:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PodestaEmails14

There's batches of PodestaEmails daily. Search the trends on twitter after each release, and you will see the shit going on behind the scenes daily.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: g-train on October 21, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
Well, I just want to point out, that if you guys really want change as you've been discussing here, the clear choice is Trump. Hes never been a politician, he doesn't talk like one, he's so different even his own party has done everything they can to stop him.

He wants to stop nafta and tpp dissolved, which will bring tons of manufacturing jobs back to America. A 15% tax rate will allow businesses to pay a higher rate, higher more people, stimulate the economy.  Charging rich countries like Saudi Arabia for our security services will make a dent in the military budget.

The choice is clear, more of the same that you are all complaining about is Hillary. But the change tho, is Trump

Don't forget he's going to kick out a lot of illegal immigrants, opening up at least a million jobs right there.

Plus all those jobs we send out oversea's via the whole HB-9 thing or whatever, all five million of those?  He's going to stop doing most of those and bring them back aimed at the african-american populace.

If he really does that, were talking ending about 70% of African-American unemployment straight up, ending most of the crime associated with unemployment and idle hands etc.....

Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Philosophia on October 21, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Well, I just want to point out, that if you guys really want change as you've been discussing here, the clear choice is Trump. Hes never been a politician, he doesn't talk like one, he's so different even his own party has done everything they can to stop him.

He wants to stop nafta and tpp dissolved, which will bring tons of manufacturing jobs back to America. A 15% tax rate will allow businesses to pay a higher rate, higher more people, stimulate the economy.  Charging rich countries like Saudi Arabia for our security services will make a dent in the military budget.

The choice is clear, more of the same that you are all complaining about is Hillary. But the change tho, is Trump

Don't forget he's going to kick out a lot of illegal immigrants, opening up at least a million jobs right there.

Plus all those jobs we send out oversea's via the whole HB-9 thing or whatever, all five million of those?  He's going to stop doing most of those and bring them back aimed at the african-american populace.

If he really does that, were talking ending about 70% of African-American unemployment straight up, ending most of the crime associated with unemployment and idle hands etc.....

On that note, here's the Clinton Staff admitting that the Economy is hurt due to Globalization:

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you have (characteristically) gone right to the heart of the most difficult problem. In response to your specific question, over that last 15 years, the capacity of labor to demand a greater share of profits from productivity gains have been overwhelmed by several factors: 1) globalized wage competition as incomes have slowly equilibrated around the world, 2) the increasing portion of our economy that is generated by service work (as opposed to good production) that is less susceptible to productivity improvement, 3) the use of technology to generate productivity gains (so that the benefits accrue to capital rather than labor), 4) the overhang on the labor market and wages from discouraged workers who dropped out and the long-term unemployed, 5) the replacement of lost middle wage jobs with lower wage jobs, and 6) more recently, the change in the nature of work itself which is now more part-time, project (or "gig") oriented and based on an independent contractor model.

  All of this had led to both stagnant wages and rising income insecurity - both of which are far more relevant than income inequality. I think some smart candidate for public office is going to figure this out and start talking about the modern economy in a way that resonates with workers' actual experience.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8567

I wonder who that smart candidate is? ;)
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Panthergod on October 21, 2016, 04:48:45 PM
Christ I'm glad to be alive right now. This is f society shit right now -- and yes -- I've been 100% vindicated. Fuck anyone who ever doubt anything I've said about this bull shit system.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Letters on October 21, 2016, 05:11:04 PM
No don't fucking em. Lets hope they learn something. We're all in this together yknow
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 21, 2016, 06:44:40 PM
Hopefully, I clarified that I meant only in appearance. To further clarify the appearance of how they run their party at the moment. In other words I don't think anyone manipulated things to help ensure Donald was the one running for president, and if they were going to do something like that it would have been for Jeb(!).

Yeah, I guess if we were to give the GOP any credit this election, it's that they didn't rig the primaries.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 23, 2016, 02:34:03 PM
Speaking of rigging the primaries--what do you make of this?

http://embols.com/2016/09/05/election-fraud-report-recommends-decertifying-primary-results-for-hillary-hand-counts-of-ballots-2/

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A report by the nonprofit election integrity organization Election Justice USA (EJUSA) is recommending that Democratic primary results in numerous states, including New York and California, be decertified and that the paper ballots be recounted by hand in all states which show irregularities, where paper ballots are available, and counted by hand in all future US elections.

The report, “Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries,” questions the legitimacy of the nomination of Hillary Clinton. It is co-authored by the 100th president of the American Statistical Association, Fritz Scheuren, a professor at George Washington University. The report declares:

“We conclude by calling for decertification of the 2016 Democratic primary results in every state in which we have established a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the vote tally.”

The states in which EJUSA found strong and compelling evidence of election fraud against Bernie Sanders are Alabama, California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee.


It goes on from there, but seriously upsetting. This is why I said the dems as a whole seem worse this election. Trump is an evil cartoon character. They're just regular real world evil.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 23, 2016, 07:53:07 PM
Speaking of rigging the primaries--what do you make of this?

http://embols.com/2016/09/05/election-fraud-report-recommends-decertifying-primary-results-for-hillary-hand-counts-of-ballots-2/

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A report by the nonprofit election integrity organization Election Justice USA (EJUSA) is recommending that Democratic primary results in numerous states, including New York and California, be decertified and that the paper ballots be recounted by hand in all states which show irregularities, where paper ballots are available, and counted by hand in all future US elections.

The report, “Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries,” questions the legitimacy of the nomination of Hillary Clinton. It is co-authored by the 100th president of the American Statistical Association, Fritz Scheuren, a professor at George Washington University. The report declares:

“We conclude by calling for decertification of the 2016 Democratic primary results in every state in which we have established a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the vote tally.”

The states in which EJUSA found strong and compelling evidence of election fraud against Bernie Sanders are Alabama, California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee.


It goes on from there, but seriously upsetting. This is why I said the dems as a whole seem worse this election. Trump is an evil cartoon character. They're just regular real world evil.

Remember that time the Dems demanded ballots be hand-counted in Florida after the 200 election (and rightfully so)?  How much you wanna bet they'll hem and haw through this and at least one of them will blame Russia.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: scourge on October 23, 2016, 07:58:07 PM
I wouldn't take that bet, I think your spot on. I don't think this will get much media attention at all unfortunately. This is a little out of control. I think someone should do something, but I don't know who and I don't know what.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
I do like how they point to RT in Russia as being state owned propaganda, yet the emails show how in the bag certain networks and anchors (MSNBC especially) whored themselves out for Clinton from the beginning.  Joy Reid, Alex Wagner, Chuck Todd, and Chris Matthews to name a few.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: Master on October 23, 2016, 08:16:42 PM
I do like how they point to RT in Russia as being state owned propaganda, yet the emails show how in the bag certain networks and anchors (MSNBC especially) whored themselves out for Clinton from the beginning.  Joy Reid, Alex Wagner, Chuck Todd, and Chris Matthews to name a few.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 23, 2016, 11:58:10 PM
I do like how they point to RT in Russia as being state owned propaganda, yet the emails show how in the bag certain networks and anchors (MSNBC especially) whored themselves out for Clinton from the beginning.  Joy Reid, Alex Wagner, Chuck Todd, and Chris Matthews to name a few.

Typical Democrats.  "It's only okay when we do it!"
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 24, 2016, 12:11:24 AM
You sound like me. And being in the midst of it does make me furious. What you say is exactly right. The first woman president will be possibly the most despicable representative of women possible.

Also the media spins covering the negative shit about her to make her out to be "strong" to deal with all the terrible things people say about her. Basically if you read Rock's posts and imagine they were spell checked you'd get the general atmosphere of most of the media outlets in this country.

Oh we still going with the rock never admits anything negative about hillary meme.

But i wont interfear with the hate gang bang that you got going on here.

I do like how they point to RT in Russia as being state owned propaganda, yet the emails show how in the bag certain networks and anchors (MSNBC especially) whored themselves out for Clinton from the beginning.  Joy Reid, Alex Wagner, Chuck Todd, and Chris Matthews to name a few.

Typical Democrats.  "It's only okay when we do it!"

Chuck todd was grilling  kaine on wikileaks at meet the Press this weeknd
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 24, 2016, 12:44:10 AM
Meet the Press is pretty fair.  It's just about the only one.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 24, 2016, 01:01:55 AM

Chuck todd was grilling  kaine on wikileaks at meet the Press this weeknd

Yea, because that matters now that the primary is over.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 24, 2016, 01:02:58 AM
Especially when he was named directly in reference to Debbie and Hillary's people conversing with him before he would interview Hillary or Debbie herself to make sure the right questions were asked.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 24, 2016, 01:30:27 AM

Chuck todd was grilling  kaine on wikileaks at meet the Press this weeknd

Yea, because that matters now that the primary is over.

She actully got more negative press in the primary then anyone including trump

And remember the emails coming up just about everyday

Meet the Press is pretty fair.  It's just about the only one.

Pardon the interuptions bring it up to

Media has a bias but its a story bias

That why trump talking about targetin innocent women and childrens get hardly no news

But him talking about grabbing pussy does. Even though first one worst. But sex makes a better story. And right niw the story about trump implosion since where reaching the climax. And trumo cant hell but feed it

If those wikileaks talk about her grabbing dicks..it woukd be front page

Or hillary talk about "you know who i like to fuck the shit out of colin powell. Nancy..nancy i want him to ram me in the back so hard ir hits the back if my teeth"

It be all they were talking about. And note the stuff in wikileaks way worse then my scenario. Hell least in that on its consensual. But the more entertaining narrativly get the news. That the bias
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: therock on October 24, 2016, 01:33:20 AM
Opps i mean with all due respect

Not pardon the interuption
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: AP on October 24, 2016, 02:27:23 AM

Chuck todd was grilling  kaine on wikileaks at meet the Press this weeknd

Yea, because that matters now that the primary is over.

She actully got more negative press in the primary then anyone including trump

And remember the emails coming up just about everyday

Meet the Press is pretty fair.  It's just about the only one.

Pardon the interuptions bring it up to

Media has a bias but its a story bias

That why trump talking about targetin innocent women and childrens get hardly no news

But him talking about grabbing pussy does. Even though first one worst. But sex makes a better story. And right niw the story about trump implosion since where reaching the climax. And trumo cant hell but feed it

If those wikileaks talk about her grabbing dicks..it woukd be front page

Or hillary talk about "you know who i like to fuck the shit out of colin powell. Nancy..nancy i want him to ram me in the back so hard ir hits the back if my teeth"

It be all they were talking about. And note the stuff in wikileaks way worse then my scenario. Hell least in that on its consensual. But the more entertaining narrativly get the news. That the bias

You do have a point, but either way, there's a bias.
Title: Re: Can the DNC get more corrupt? You bet it can!
Post by: LiquidSailor on October 24, 2016, 03:17:36 AM

Chuck todd was grilling  kaine on wikileaks at meet the Press this weeknd

Yea, because that matters now that the primary is over.

She actully got more negative press in the primary then anyone including trump

And remember the emails coming up just about everyday


The emails you are referring to had absolutely nothing to do with the ones we are talking about here.  Back then they were only talking in terms of Benghazi related emails.


And the negative press bullshit line that Hillary supporters come up with is such nonsense considering there's a reason she has so much negative press, and it's her own fault.  Bernie was either completely ignored OR when they felt like covering him, it was to downplay or shit talk him.  For example, Joy Reid's racist ass chiming in at every opportunity to say Sanders has a problem with black voters (especially stupid ones) or days of coverage about Sanders saying Hillary was unfit to be president.