Heterosexual marriage that does NOT produce children: Should it be legal?

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

Homosexual marriages can't produce children. It was asserted earlier that this is the only social value human beings have.

1. Should opposite sex couples that can't produce children due to infertility caused by any number of things be allowed to marry?

They certainly aren't furthering civilization by being married. They're definitely not producing any offspring. They aren't creating a healthy environment for raising children because they can't have children.

2. What about opposite-sex couples that aren't reproducing by choice?

3. Should exceptions be made for opposite-sex couples looking to adopt? They want to raise a child, even if they can't reproduce their own.
4. Is that good really good enough?

Side topic:
1. Should single parent households be allowed to exist?

2. How can one person give the proper upbringing to a child that a man+woman pairing can give? This is referencing a single-parent household caused by any circumstance(death, divorce, absentee parent).

3. How many people raised by opposite-sex parents have become criminals?
3a. Have there been studies?

[Panthergod]

It absolutely MUST be made legal, albeit exclusively in the circumstance of delusionally illiterate half-Asian cheerleaders in Orange County, California.

[Mightily Oats]

Hey Jelly, how about instead of giving us Xerxes' life story, you actually come up with something?

Obfuscation is great, but it doesn't actually amount to anything.

[NeoGreenLantern]

What about hetero couples that can have kids but don't plan on having kids? Should they be allowed to be married? Should they have to sign a contract saying they will have a kid within X amount of years or the Marriage license becomes voided?

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

What about hetero couples that can have kids but don't plan on having kids? Should they be allowed to be married? Should they have to sign a contract saying they will have a kid within X amount of years or the Marriage license becomes voided?

That is the second question.

Homosexual marriages can't produce children. It was asserted earlier that this is the only social value human beings have.

They certainly aren't furthering civilization by being married. They're definitely not producing any offspring. They aren't creating a healthy environment for raising children because they can't have children.

2. What about opposite-sex couples that aren't reproducing by choice?

[Terman8er]

So...has Jelly clarified his position at all yet?  Or does he like using www.makemypostsverbose.com and posting random gibberish?

[Bender]

How (other than not using curse words) are Jelly's posts where he rips on people instead of debating the topics not flaming?

[Primetime]

Hey Jelly, how about instead of giving us Xerxes' life story, you actually come up with something?

Obfuscation is great, but it doesn't actually amount to anything.

Oh the irony.

[Primetime]

Ok, to demonstrate the flaw in this reasoning, let’s use the example of Medicare as an analogy.  Citizens become eligible for Medicare at the age of 65 because IN GENERAL, people of that age and above have lower health literacy than other age groups.  Of course, there are people of that age group who are of higher health literacy, yet it would be inefficient, tedious, problematic, etc. to try and nitpick which elderly people are exceptions to the rule.  Thus, policy is based overall on what is the general rule.

The same situation with marriage.  The overall vast majority of human beings are fertile.  The vast majority of married heterosexual couples produce at least one child.  To try and asininely nitpick as to who is capable of having children and who is planning to have children would be tedious, problematic, inefficient and totally unnecessary.  For one, many who have been determined to be sterile eventually produce offspring unexpectedly or through medical intervention.  Likewise, many couples who initially plan to not have children change their minds.

On the other hand, same sex couples cannot produce offspring together.  This is more than just a generality, it is an absolute.  In order to produce new individuals, you need both a male and a female and most human offspring will either be raised by their mothers alone or by both their mothers and the men their mothers are in relationships with.  The latter has been shown to be more beneficial to children than the former and marriage provides the best chance of the latter.

And even if a married straight couple never has any children, they still represent society’s most advantageous bond for the development of a successful new generation, and therefore should be respected as such.

As far as whether single parent households should exist, you’re question would have more validity if gay households were not allowed to exist, but since gay households ARE allowed to exist and they are allowed to adopt children, what is the point of the question?

[Harm]

extreme arguments never help.

[Bender]

Sidenote:

Many states still have different laws about severing marriages based on whether or not they've been consummated.

[Speed of Zound]

Should single parent households be allowed to exist?

should doesn't really play into this unless you want to sterilize all the black people so it's impossible for them to reproduce you'll always have single parent households and while your at it sterilize the mexicans we don't need no 20 kid households either

yes, im trolling; this discussion is stupid and seems like obvious bait to get fundamentalist and/or contrary morons to act up

[Terman8er]

He's baiting Jelly because of the crap he is spewing in another thread.

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

should doesn't really play into this

It does, because the criteria for the thread requires it.

Not sure what you mean by "act up". You can be an asshole without namecalling. People don't get punished for having differing viewpoints, either.

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

Sidenote:

Many states still have different laws about severing marriages based on whether or not they've been consummated.

Some states also have sodomy laws that are applicable even to a man and wife behind closed doors.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

Some states also have sodomy laws that are applicable even to a man and wife behind closed doors.

The government should not be invilved in relationships AT ALL!!!

[safado]

not even to tell men to be more sensitive to their wives feelings, preserving marriage and saving the universe???

I jest

[Nox]

The government should not be invilved in relationships AT ALL!!!

Maybe a little bit?

[safado]

in a matchmaking sort of role? Like a senator calls up and says "dude, I know a girl who would be perfect for you!" Could happen.