IGN's Top 25 Runs of the Decade - Ugh

[Whiskeyclone]

Lists exist to be disagreed with, but man, they included some real clunkers on there. Not that I guess I'd expect too much different.

What do you think?

http://comics.ign.com/articles/122/1223283p1.html

[Jabroniville]

Some of those are good runs, but yeah, it's not all good. I almost missed the "of the decade" thing and I was like "WTF?" thinking it was an all-time list. I disagree with anything by Bendis, and I think the best Marvel Cosmic thing was the first "Annihilation" by a ways. Cap & Iron Fist are good bets, though.

[Whiskeyclone]

Yeah DnA's Cosmic line should definitely not be there, nor Bendis' Avengers, though I'm honestly surprised they didn't put that one higher. Johns' Teen Titans, while ok, wasn't anything too special, either. His GL was bound to make it, but it's been pretty tepid for a while now. I always found Waid's FF horribly overrated.

[Astro]

Bendis' Avengers should be there for the impact it had; I know this is a quality discussion, but as much as we all hate that run, it's one of the most loved runs of all time, certainly at this point the most popular Avengers run of all time, and these lists are largely about popularity or 'impact factor'.

Speaking personally, I think a LOT of the order is off, but I agree with number 1 at least in terms of mainstream books. I think Seven Soldiers - 30 issues in all - should have been on there.

Runs I don't think should have been based on quality:

Gail Simone's Wonder Woman (horrid). Rucka's Wonder Woman, if you needed a run, but even that might be a stretch.

Johns' Teen Titans - Middling. But based on impact, I see it.

Marvel Cosmic - the only really good Marvel cosmic thing was Giffen's Annihilation. The rest was fine, but mostly middling superhero sci fi stuff. Very by the numbers.

Witchblade - I actually haven't read this run, but Ron Marz has never written anything that passed mediocre.

The Avengers - Ugh. I can count on one hand the number of issues I've found to be good from this run. They both happened during Civil War. Everythign else -- horrible.

Incredible Hulk - Okay it started off well enough but even by the time WWH came around it was tired and lame.

Invincible Iron Man - This started off great, but went off the rails around the time of Disassembled

Green Lantern - Started off good, but was stupidly mediocre post Sinestro Corps war. The stuff that was good was just good, not great.


What I wanted on there:

Seven Soldiers (Grant Morrison)

Blue Beetle (John Rogers)

Ghost Rider (Jason Aaron)

JSA (Geoff Johns)

Thunderbolts (Ellis)

Nextwave (Ellis)

Lucifer (Carey)

 

[Whiskeyclone]

I'd add:

Cornell's Captain Britain & MI: 13
Ellis' Thunderbolts (boy did that turn out to be influential)
Kelly's JLA
Johns' JSA

[maizeblue]

disagree with anything by Bendis,

His Avenger is terrible but Ultimate Spider man was great for a long while and his Daredevil run is still one of my favorite runs of all time.

[Astro]

I'd add:

Cornell's Captain Britain & MI: 13
Ellis' Thunderbolts (boy did that turn out to be influential)
Kelly's JLA
Johns' JSA

Yeah, I'd include all of those.

[Gaara of the Sand]

Waid's run on FF was awful.  It will forever be tainted by the fact that he returned due to fan reaction and put out one of the worst FF arcs ever...so bad that Marvel immediately ignored it.

Same with Hickman's run, but at least they didn't include Millar's run.


While short lived, I would have liked to see Oeming's Thor.  His Red Sonja certainly should be there.  Earth/Universe/Paradise X should be there too.  X-Force should have been there (not Remender's shit).  Busiek's Avengers should be there.

[Altoon]

Agree Johns JSA should be there
Also a lot of stuff you can make a case for but Gails WW run really?

[Whiskeyclone]

I don't think Earth X makes the deadline, does it, Gaara? I mean that's something we've actually always agreed on (the quality of that stuff) but I feel like Earth was too early.

Oeming's Thor was WAY too short unless maybe you take all of his Thor & BRB stuff and count it together. Shame, I wish he could've gotten an extended run.

I haven't read nearly all of it, but Hickman's FF seems like the best FF in untold eons...though it had some pretty decent sized problems just from what I've read.

Busiek's Avengers is way too old - consider Bendis came on in 2003, and between Busiek and Bendis there was Johns and then Austen.

As for X-Force...well you're entitled to that opinion.

[Red Exodus]

I haven't read any of the DC runs they've listed, with the exception of Morrison's "Batman : R.I.P.", so
I can't really comment on those. The other Marvel ones I didn't have much of a problem with. My favorite
run that they listed was probably Peter David's X Factor, although I personally found his 90's run the best.


Bendis? Abso-fucking-not. Nothing but an association of terrible dialogue, plot structure, and blatant disregard
for established continuity.

Morrison is another fucking no. That arc he did "Batman : R.I.P." was some of the WORST writing I have ever
had the misfortune of reading, let alone being allowed to see print.

Waid's FF was dumb. Doom skinning his girlfriend, the FF going to heaven to bring back Ben's soul...seriously,
where was this book going? The Kirby cameo was cool, but it felt like this book wanted to be She-Hulk in
terms of sillyness at times. I equally despise Hickman's run. Different universe evil Reeds? Oh come the fuck on.

Pak's Hulk was cool at first. But eventually, his fanboyism took over, and it just got flat out absurd after Planet
Hulk.

And although yes, Brubaker gave it as close to being sensible as possible, I'll always state that the idea of Winter
Soldier (much less bringing Bucky back for the dead) was a terrible idea. No matter what, I'll always call bullshit on it.

[Cleric]

Too early to make a statement about Hickman's FF, IMO.

Surprised to see that Millar's Ultimates isn't on that.

[Ramz]

Number 1 should have been Conan (Kurt Busiek and Kary Nord)
Conan Vol # 0 - 50.

fucking faggots.

[Cleric]

Fuck you. Are you reading any of the new stuff? Conan and King Conan?

[scourge]

- Bendis and Maleev did a great job with Daredevil and it's deserving.
- Glad to see Fraction and Brubaker's Iron Fist is getting some love. That was wonderful.
- David's X-Factor is deserving to be on the top 25. The 11th spot seems a little high but then some of the stuff on there is crap.
- I agree that Cornell's Cap Britain & MI:13 should have been on there but maybe it was a little short?
- Millar's FF was shit but his Ultimate FF and Ultimates were pretty solid. One of those should have made it.
- Aaron's Ghost Rider was a great run especially at the end. Should have gotten some love.
- Morison's X-Men was a big deal, surprised it wasn't on the list.

I was reading a lot of Marvel for a while.

[Gaara of the Sand]

I don't think Earth X makes the deadline, does it, Gaara? I mean that's something we've actually always agreed on (the quality of that stuff) but I feel like Earth was too early.

Just checked, you're right, it started March 1999 and ran til June 2000.

Oeming's Thor was WAY too short unless maybe you take all of his Thor & BRB stuff and count it together. Shame, I wish he could've gotten an extended run.

I agree, but it should at least have gotten honorable mention.

I haven't read nearly all of it, but Hickman's FF seems like the best FF in untold eons...though it had some pretty decent sized problems just from what I've read.

Some of his ideas are OK, but once pen hits paper it all goes to hell.  It's not the worst, but it's no top 25 either.

Busiek's Avengers is way too old - consider Bendis came on in 2003, and between Busiek and Bendis there was Johns and then Austen.

Haha, wow, time flies.  Run began in 98.  And I'd forgotten Chuck Austen was a thing before today...

[Astro]

- Bendis and Maleev did a great job with Daredevil and it's deserving.
- Glad to see Fraction and Brubaker's Iron Fist is getting some love. That was wonderful.
- David's X-Factor is deserving to be on the top 25. The 11th spot seems a little high but then some of the stuff on there is crap.
- I agree that Cornell's Cap Britain & MI:13 should have been on there but maybe it was a little short?
- Millar's FF was shit but his Ultimate FF and Ultimates were pretty solid. One of those should have made it.
- Aaron's Ghost Rider was a great run especially at the end. Should have gotten some love.
- Morison's X-Men was a big deal, surprised it wasn't on the list.

I was reading a lot of Marvel for a while.

I believe the majority of Morrison's X Men was pre-2002

[Speed of Zound]

IGN puts out the worst lists anywhere. Fangirl did a ranking of heroes in terms of formitability, I agreed with that more.